El Gabas makes Town exit

Swindon Advertiser: Departed striker Mohamed El Gabas Departed striker Mohamed El Gabas

MOHAMED El Gabas is looking for a new club after leaving Swindon Town at the end of his short-term contract with the Robins.

The Egyptian striker started just one game for Town after moving to Wiltshire from Belgian outfit Lierse SK in the summer and made another 10 substitute appearances as he struggled to make an impact at the County Ground.

El Gabas arrived on an initial six-month deal, with Swindon holding an option to extend his stay this month but chairman Lee Power has declined that opportunity.

The Advertiser understands the 26-year-old has been offered to Portsmouth but the League Two side are unlikely to take the chance on the forward following the signings of Jake Jervis and Ryan Taylor.

It is also believed that El Gabas is mulling over offers from abroad as he aims to kick-start his career.

Swindon manager Mark Cooper could not fault the striker’s attitude and application during his spell with Town, although he said El Gabas did not show enough to warrant an extended contract.

He told the Advertiser: “As far as I am aware he’s left the club. It never really happened for him when he had the chance.

“When he was coming off the bench he was doing alright but when the other boys were coming off the bench - Dany, Nicky, Miles - and scoring, it wasn’t quite happening for Mo for one reason or another.

“He’s an unbelievable professional, his attitude was spot on but it was one of them where sometimes it doesn’t happen for you.”

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6:41am Fri 10 Jan 14

Swindon Crier says...

Good another crap mercenary gone
Good another crap mercenary gone Swindon Crier

6:53am Fri 10 Jan 14

Scouse Red says...

tried his best i think and willing to run and chase, but from what we saw not good enough at this level

But, thanks for dispatching the penalty in the JPT! A well timed first and only goal (despite my little boy and the blokes around us saying "Oh no" as he walked from the centre circle!
tried his best i think and willing to run and chase, but from what we saw not good enough at this level But, thanks for dispatching the penalty in the JPT! A well timed first and only goal (despite my little boy and the blokes around us saying "Oh no" as he walked from the centre circle! Scouse Red

7:51am Fri 10 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

Good luck to the lad. Hope he finds a club where he can get regular football.

Never saw him so cannot judge his contribution here but sounds like he was a good professional and role model for the younger players.
Good luck to the lad. Hope he finds a club where he can get regular football. Never saw him so cannot judge his contribution here but sounds like he was a good professional and role model for the younger players. mancrobin

8:10am Fri 10 Jan 14

Billy hunt 65 says...

Good one.. Let a striker go when we haven't got any.
Keep the gangsta Nile.. Jedi wants him here.. But he is the teaboy now after all his promises...
Good one.. Let a striker go when we haven't got any. Keep the gangsta Nile.. Jedi wants him here.. But he is the teaboy now after all his promises... Billy hunt 65

8:22am Fri 10 Jan 14

old town robin says...

mancrobin wrote:
Good luck to the lad. Hope he finds a club where he can get regular football.

Never saw him so cannot judge his contribution here but sounds like he was a good professional and role model for the younger players.
I saw him several times. physically a well built lad. with reasonable pace and control, but something was lacking, for a striker he didn't seem to get in the right place when a chance came his way and probably needed too much time on the ball, which he might get in Belgium, but he certainly isn't going to get over here.

Shame he didn't make it, but right decision iMO, good luck to him, sure he will find somewhere new, probably abroad where the game is a bit slower.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: Good luck to the lad. Hope he finds a club where he can get regular football. Never saw him so cannot judge his contribution here but sounds like he was a good professional and role model for the younger players.[/p][/quote]I saw him several times. physically a well built lad. with reasonable pace and control, but something was lacking, for a striker he didn't seem to get in the right place when a chance came his way and probably needed too much time on the ball, which he might get in Belgium, but he certainly isn't going to get over here. Shame he didn't make it, but right decision iMO, good luck to him, sure he will find somewhere new, probably abroad where the game is a bit slower. old town robin

8:38am Fri 10 Jan 14

NEWBURYREDS says...

“As far as I am aware he’s left the club" sounds fab coming from the boss. Maybe i'll get a game in my wheelchair, would cooper notice that?
“As far as I am aware he’s left the club" sounds fab coming from the boss. Maybe i'll get a game in my wheelchair, would cooper notice that? NEWBURYREDS

8:55am Fri 10 Jan 14

glenda hoddle says...

Attitude and effort was great,not good enough. end of story....
Attitude and effort was great,not good enough. end of story.... glenda hoddle

9:20am Fri 10 Jan 14

bradley red 1 says...

cheap option/trialist who failed!
cheap option/trialist who failed! bradley red 1

10:39am Fri 10 Jan 14

Cleuso says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
cheap option/trialist who failed!
Had one real scoring opportunity when on the pitch and did better than many an England International and cooly provided the finish. That would be lost on you Bradley you weren't probably at the game, but in all honesty never really despite his energy and enthusiasm showed that extra needed to force his way into the team ahead of others and releasing him was the only sensible option.
[quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: cheap option/trialist who failed![/p][/quote]Had one real scoring opportunity when on the pitch and did better than many an England International and cooly provided the finish. That would be lost on you Bradley you weren't probably at the game, but in all honesty never really despite his energy and enthusiasm showed that extra needed to force his way into the team ahead of others and releasing him was the only sensible option. Cleuso

10:56am Fri 10 Jan 14

LeGod says...

Bily hunt 65 - should your surname begin with the third letter of the alphabet because your comment tells me your one.
Bily hunt 65 - should your surname begin with the third letter of the alphabet because your comment tells me your one. LeGod

12:43pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

There are some real bitter, angry people out there from what I'm reading! Didn't work out for him, fair enough. But the abuse? Totally unwarranted.
There are some real bitter, angry people out there from what I'm reading! Didn't work out for him, fair enough. But the abuse? Totally unwarranted. Swindon1984

1:40pm Fri 10 Jan 14

NORTH STAND says...

Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground....

Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport...
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I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?
Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....? NORTH STAND

2:26pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Haydonender says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?
I think the problem is we are guessing about the club's finances as none of us really know the situation at present. The events you mention were all good income but what about outgoings. We know the wage bill is higher than the level Power wants it at for sustainability so any extra income will likely be going towards that, to reduce the shortfall Power has to cover. We still have some large contracts with the likes of Cox, Navarro, Williams and even Benson/Troy were not having all their wages paid on loan. Plus there is still looming legal issues regarding Adam Rooney and Comazzi.

I think fans have to lower expectations for this transfer window and just see what happens. This was always going to be a rebuilding year and as far as I'm concerned, things will be easier once all Di Canio's players contracts run out in the summer. Then we can look forward to a sustainable future.

As for Ajose, from what I have heard the going rate was half a million (plus high wages), so out of our price range.
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?[/p][/quote]I think the problem is we are guessing about the club's finances as none of us really know the situation at present. The events you mention were all good income but what about outgoings. We know the wage bill is higher than the level Power wants it at for sustainability so any extra income will likely be going towards that, to reduce the shortfall Power has to cover. We still have some large contracts with the likes of Cox, Navarro, Williams and even Benson/Troy were not having all their wages paid on loan. Plus there is still looming legal issues regarding Adam Rooney and Comazzi. I think fans have to lower expectations for this transfer window and just see what happens. This was always going to be a rebuilding year and as far as I'm concerned, things will be easier once all Di Canio's players contracts run out in the summer. Then we can look forward to a sustainable future. As for Ajose, from what I have heard the going rate was half a million (plus high wages), so out of our price range. Haydonender

2:29pm Fri 10 Jan 14

the don69 says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground....

Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport...
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I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?
One of your better posts North Stand! if Power is looking to take us to a higher level? signing players like Barker won't help do the job!if he's hoping to increase or even keep the number of season ticket holders,he needs to up his game,because if the fans see us sliding and looking like we have no ambition? our season ticket holder numbers will tumble and of course with that down goes the revenue,as I've said before Power talks a good game!but can he play one??????????
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?[/p][/quote]One of your better posts North Stand! if Power is looking to take us to a higher level? signing players like Barker won't help do the job!if he's hoping to increase or even keep the number of season ticket holders,he needs to up his game,because if the fans see us sliding and looking like we have no ambition? our season ticket holder numbers will tumble and of course with that down goes the revenue,as I've said before Power talks a good game!but can he play one?????????? the don69

2:40pm Fri 10 Jan 14

nosyrudeman says...

Ajose was recalled by his parent club.
Ajose was recalled by his parent club. nosyrudeman

2:40pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

the don69 wrote:
NORTH STAND wrote:
Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground....

Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport...
.
I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?
One of your better posts North Stand! if Power is looking to take us to a higher level? signing players like Barker won't help do the job!if he's hoping to increase or even keep the number of season ticket holders,he needs to up his game,because if the fans see us sliding and looking like we have no ambition? our season ticket holder numbers will tumble and of course with that down goes the revenue,as I've said before Power talks a good game!but can he play one??????????
Bit of a contradiction here to be honest - you're talking of better (not necessarily but probably, meaning more expensive) signings, but it's likely at the moment we're still losing money in terms of wage bill vs income.

Spending more on players and keeping us at this end of the table isn't as far as I can see going to get more people through the turnstiles - we've had similar attendances for years, as there are a certain amount of Swindon folk who care about their local team, and a vast majority who couldn't give a toss.

Therefore, what's to be done? Increase income (unlikely, at least not significantly through gate receipts) or reduce wage bill to keep us solvent. If the latter, there're only certain players we can go for, a finite pot for signings, and money needs to be spent very wisely. Some clubs think nothing of half a million or more taking a punt on a player who may or may not work out. If we spend even a fraction of that, we're banking on the player doing well.

Let's face it, we're not a wealthy club, it's not likely we ever will be, and so much of our future fortune for good or ill will come with taking a punt on an unproven player, and hoping they do well for us. We never would've challenged for promotion before without Austin, and we never would've been able to afford a consistent 25 a season goal scorer. It's the luck of the draw unfortunately.

Would've liked to have seen us go for Jervis, but who knows what money he was asking for - despite their well documented off field problems, I still have a suspicion Pompey have more spare cash than us.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?[/p][/quote]One of your better posts North Stand! if Power is looking to take us to a higher level? signing players like Barker won't help do the job!if he's hoping to increase or even keep the number of season ticket holders,he needs to up his game,because if the fans see us sliding and looking like we have no ambition? our season ticket holder numbers will tumble and of course with that down goes the revenue,as I've said before Power talks a good game!but can he play one??????????[/p][/quote]Bit of a contradiction here to be honest - you're talking of better (not necessarily but probably, meaning more expensive) signings, but it's likely at the moment we're still losing money in terms of wage bill vs income. Spending more on players and keeping us at this end of the table isn't as far as I can see going to get more people through the turnstiles - we've had similar attendances for years, as there are a certain amount of Swindon folk who care about their local team, and a vast majority who couldn't give a toss. Therefore, what's to be done? Increase income (unlikely, at least not significantly through gate receipts) or reduce wage bill to keep us solvent. If the latter, there're only certain players we can go for, a finite pot for signings, and money needs to be spent very wisely. Some clubs think nothing of half a million or more taking a punt on a player who may or may not work out. If we spend even a fraction of that, we're banking on the player doing well. Let's face it, we're not a wealthy club, it's not likely we ever will be, and so much of our future fortune for good or ill will come with taking a punt on an unproven player, and hoping they do well for us. We never would've challenged for promotion before without Austin, and we never would've been able to afford a consistent 25 a season goal scorer. It's the luck of the draw unfortunately. Would've liked to have seen us go for Jervis, but who knows what money he was asking for - despite their well documented off field problems, I still have a suspicion Pompey have more spare cash than us. Swindon1984

3:29pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground....

Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport...
.
I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?
Hello North Stand. Good to see you on here.

Now that you are perhaps you would be good enough to answer my question of a couple of days ago, which I guess you haven't seen yet?


You referred to 'old fools who remember Bert's Babes'

My question was ' I remember Bert's babes, does this make me an old fool?'.

I would value a response
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?[/p][/quote]Hello North Stand. Good to see you on here. Now that you are perhaps you would be good enough to answer my question of a couple of days ago, which I guess you haven't seen yet? You referred to 'old fools who remember Bert's Babes' My question was ' I remember Bert's babes, does this make me an old fool?'. I would value a response Swindonian63

3:57pm Fri 10 Jan 14

RogerJ1969 says...

No news so far regarding the lad from Liverpool.

Perhaps Mystic Fredi can throw some light on it? Unless of course it is the usual half a quess/half reading between the lines.

We need a number 9 and have just read Barn Door Billy appears to be off to Sheff U.

I trust Lee Power to ge the right players in and I'm sure he will, we could use a 9 against the Posh thats for sure.
No news so far regarding the lad from Liverpool. Perhaps Mystic Fredi can throw some light on it? Unless of course it is the usual half a quess/half reading between the lines. We need a number 9 and have just read Barn Door Billy appears to be off to Sheff U. I trust Lee Power to ge the right players in and I'm sure he will, we could use a 9 against the Posh thats for sure. RogerJ1969

4:02pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground....

Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport...
.
I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?
NS, I think we have to accept the economic reality we find ourselves in. Ajose isn't bad but he's no great shakes. Somebody mention half a million? Never in this world is he worth that. Ranger had to go - bonkers signing in the first place. Best of luck to El Gabas but I don't think he's up to Football League standard. All decisions correct IMO. Buying/retaining those players would have made no economic sense.

Some fans seem to believe we are better off skint than having some financial clout. I'll never get my head around that one. But we are where we are and at least Power has been straight with us on that, a welcome change from the arch-bullsh1tter.

I disagree with you completely about MacDonald. He picked up a squad shorn of its best players and did a reasonable job. Remember what your hero, PDC, did when he lost those players and couldn't replace them? He threw his toys out of the pram and walked away from the challenge. MacDonald at least had the balls to take it on - until he realised that he'd been sold a new Rolls Royce but bought a clapped out moped.

We agree on Cooper though. Great work in difficult circumstances.

I just hope we start to draw back from the loan market soon. Part of the reason for our pi55poor away form is IMO that we have too many players whose hearts are not really in the club.
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?[/p][/quote]NS, I think we have to accept the economic reality we find ourselves in. Ajose isn't bad but he's no great shakes. Somebody mention half a million? Never in this world is he worth that. Ranger had to go - bonkers signing in the first place. Best of luck to El Gabas but I don't think he's up to Football League standard. All decisions correct IMO. Buying/retaining those players would have made no economic sense. Some fans seem to believe we are better off skint than having some financial clout. I'll never get my head around that one. But we are where we are and at least Power has been straight with us on that, a welcome change from the arch-bullsh1tter. I disagree with you completely about MacDonald. He picked up a squad shorn of its best players and did a reasonable job. Remember what your hero, PDC, did when he lost those players and couldn't replace them? He threw his toys out of the pram and walked away from the challenge. MacDonald at least had the balls to take it on - until he realised that he'd been sold a new Rolls Royce but bought a clapped out moped. We agree on Cooper though. Great work in difficult circumstances. I just hope we start to draw back from the loan market soon. Part of the reason for our pi55poor away form is IMO that we have too many players whose hearts are not really in the club. Oi Den!

4:15pm Fri 10 Jan 14

NORTH STAND says...

Apologies Swindonian - I have been off scraping a living....

No. remembering Bert's babes doesn't necessarily make you a fool - in fact it guarantees the sort of perspective that allows you to understand the highs and lows of the game... and even recall when saturdays really were something to look forward to all week...., your username does suggest you might have been a very young devotee though....>

i think my frustration nowadays is with those who think we can return to those days with the same business model... the world has (sadly in that respect) moved on and top flight players are no longer to be found working in pits or playing western league football (or at least not on the same scale) Premiership and aspirant clubs now have several hundred children each on their books from the age of 6 and 90% of future lower league players will fall out of that system... Exceptions like the (still under rated) Charlie Austin will come along once in a blue moon but in the main players are at non league clubs for good reason....as a club we can decide whether to invest in proven talent or not but at present (my opinion of course) we have forward line options below those of clubs like Burton, Newport and Mansfield - or perhaps even more worryingly Forest Green, Luton or Wrexham.... ultimately it's strikers that win you points.....
Apologies Swindonian - I have been off scraping a living.... No. remembering Bert's babes doesn't necessarily make you a fool - in fact it guarantees the sort of perspective that allows you to understand the highs and lows of the game... and even recall when saturdays really were something to look forward to all week...., your username does suggest you might have been a very young devotee though....> i think my frustration nowadays is with those who think we can return to those days with the same business model... the world has (sadly in that respect) moved on and top flight players are no longer to be found working in pits or playing western league football (or at least not on the same scale) Premiership and aspirant clubs now have several hundred children each on their books from the age of 6 and 90% of future lower league players will fall out of that system... Exceptions like the (still under rated) Charlie Austin will come along once in a blue moon but in the main players are at non league clubs for good reason....as a club we can decide whether to invest in proven talent or not but at present (my opinion of course) we have forward line options below those of clubs like Burton, Newport and Mansfield - or perhaps even more worryingly Forest Green, Luton or Wrexham.... ultimately it's strikers that win you points..... NORTH STAND

4:23pm Fri 10 Jan 14

ellory says...

Oi Den, I don't think it's a case of preferring not to have any financial clout. It's more that "financial clout" usually involves a dependency on a single individual (or their associates) and thus leaves the club in a precarious situation if they decide they no longer want to invest (a la Black).
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If someone wants to come along and spend a load of money on STFC I'm sure you won't find many trying to put them off - but I'd certainly ask questions, namely 1) what do they want in return? and 2) what position would be in without that cash?
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It's the potential answers to those questions that make people wary of a wealthy benefactor, not a lack of want for more £ in our coffers!
Oi Den, I don't think it's a case of preferring not to have any financial clout. It's more that "financial clout" usually involves a dependency on a single individual (or their associates) and thus leaves the club in a precarious situation if they decide they no longer want to invest (a la Black). . If someone wants to come along and spend a load of money on STFC I'm sure you won't find many trying to put them off - but I'd certainly ask questions, namely 1) what do they want in return? and 2) what position would be in without that cash? . It's the potential answers to those questions that make people wary of a wealthy benefactor, not a lack of want for more £ in our coffers! ellory

4:24pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next.

My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.
Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next. My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble. Oi Den!

4:25pm Fri 10 Jan 14

red steam zulu says...

camel for el gabas
camel for el gabas red steam zulu

4:28pm Fri 10 Jan 14

NORTH STAND says...

Evening Den - always happy to disagree on PDC but not sure where you got the idea I didn't rate McDonald...? He was clearly not at PDC level in terns of capacity but he was certainly an honourable and competent footballing man. MC is a step backwards (imo) from McDonald technically but I don't blame him for taking the job (puppet in chief) and I do feel sorry for him in trying to address the media on a daily basis from an impossible position. Again I think he is honourable and committed to the club and I won't slag anyone who offers that - it's why I prefer a Nathan Thompson to a Pritchard every day of the week, whatever their respective talents....
Evening Den - always happy to disagree on PDC but not sure where you got the idea I didn't rate McDonald...? He was clearly not at PDC level in terns of capacity but he was certainly an honourable and competent footballing man. MC is a step backwards (imo) from McDonald technically but I don't blame him for taking the job (puppet in chief) and I do feel sorry for him in trying to address the media on a daily basis from an impossible position. Again I think he is honourable and committed to the club and I won't slag anyone who offers that - it's why I prefer a Nathan Thompson to a Pritchard every day of the week, whatever their respective talents.... NORTH STAND

4:33pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

ellory wrote:
Oi Den, I don't think it's a case of preferring not to have any financial clout. It's more that "financial clout" usually involves a dependency on a single individual (or their associates) and thus leaves the club in a precarious situation if they decide they no longer want to invest (a la Black).
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If someone wants to come along and spend a load of money on STFC I'm sure you won't find many trying to put them off - but I'd certainly ask questions, namely 1) what do they want in return? and 2) what position would be in without that cash?
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It's the potential answers to those questions that make people wary of a wealthy benefactor, not a lack of want for more £ in our coffers!
That might be a fair point in principle but I don't think using Black as an example is good support for the case. He and his associates left the club in a far better state than they found it in. I wouldn't mind betting that we were also better off than most other clubs at our level. I suspect that things were not so healthy by the time McCrory and his crew had left. OK, so Black didn't write off his entire multimillion investment but he's in no hurry to get back the remaining £3m loan. I fail to see how that's bad news. Most clubs and fans would have been pretty happy with that at the end of five years of generous funding.
[quote][p][bold]ellory[/bold] wrote: Oi Den, I don't think it's a case of preferring not to have any financial clout. It's more that "financial clout" usually involves a dependency on a single individual (or their associates) and thus leaves the club in a precarious situation if they decide they no longer want to invest (a la Black). . If someone wants to come along and spend a load of money on STFC I'm sure you won't find many trying to put them off - but I'd certainly ask questions, namely 1) what do they want in return? and 2) what position would be in without that cash? . It's the potential answers to those questions that make people wary of a wealthy benefactor, not a lack of want for more £ in our coffers![/p][/quote]That might be a fair point in principle but I don't think using Black as an example is good support for the case. He and his associates left the club in a far better state than they found it in. I wouldn't mind betting that we were also better off than most other clubs at our level. I suspect that things were not so healthy by the time McCrory and his crew had left. OK, so Black didn't write off his entire multimillion investment but he's in no hurry to get back the remaining £3m loan. I fail to see how that's bad news. Most clubs and fans would have been pretty happy with that at the end of five years of generous funding. Oi Den!

4:33pm Fri 10 Jan 14

ellory says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Apologies Swindonian - I have been off scraping a living....

No. remembering Bert's babes doesn't necessarily make you a fool - in fact it guarantees the sort of perspective that allows you to understand the highs and lows of the game... and even recall when saturdays really were something to look forward to all week...., your username does suggest you might have been a very young devotee though....>

i think my frustration nowadays is with those who think we can return to those days with the same business model... the world has (sadly in that respect) moved on and top flight players are no longer to be found working in pits or playing western league football (or at least not on the same scale) Premiership and aspirant clubs now have several hundred children each on their books from the age of 6 and 90% of future lower league players will fall out of that system... Exceptions like the (still under rated) Charlie Austin will come along once in a blue moon but in the main players are at non league clubs for good reason....as a club we can decide whether to invest in proven talent or not but at present (my opinion of course) we have forward line options below those of clubs like Burton, Newport and Mansfield - or perhaps even more worryingly Forest Green, Luton or Wrexham.... ultimately it's strikers that win you points.....
So what is your solution? That we keep a player who has shown himself to be a terrible example to the rest of the team, simply because he's good? Or to spend money we don't have on these ethereal "experienced" players? As mentioned above, Power clearly wants to slash the budget - and taking on these unproven youngsters and loanees, to a degree, will help to achieve that.
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And whilst you are absolutely right about the Premiership hoovering up any potential young talent with little return, they are at a different level. Yaser Kasim is no Charlie Austin - a rare gem indeed - but I'd take him any day over the "experienced" David Prutton!
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Apologies Swindonian - I have been off scraping a living.... No. remembering Bert's babes doesn't necessarily make you a fool - in fact it guarantees the sort of perspective that allows you to understand the highs and lows of the game... and even recall when saturdays really were something to look forward to all week...., your username does suggest you might have been a very young devotee though....> i think my frustration nowadays is with those who think we can return to those days with the same business model... the world has (sadly in that respect) moved on and top flight players are no longer to be found working in pits or playing western league football (or at least not on the same scale) Premiership and aspirant clubs now have several hundred children each on their books from the age of 6 and 90% of future lower league players will fall out of that system... Exceptions like the (still under rated) Charlie Austin will come along once in a blue moon but in the main players are at non league clubs for good reason....as a club we can decide whether to invest in proven talent or not but at present (my opinion of course) we have forward line options below those of clubs like Burton, Newport and Mansfield - or perhaps even more worryingly Forest Green, Luton or Wrexham.... ultimately it's strikers that win you points.....[/p][/quote]So what is your solution? That we keep a player who has shown himself to be a terrible example to the rest of the team, simply because he's good? Or to spend money we don't have on these ethereal "experienced" players? As mentioned above, Power clearly wants to slash the budget - and taking on these unproven youngsters and loanees, to a degree, will help to achieve that. . And whilst you are absolutely right about the Premiership hoovering up any potential young talent with little return, they are at a different level. Yaser Kasim is no Charlie Austin - a rare gem indeed - but I'd take him any day over the "experienced" David Prutton! ellory

4:34pm Fri 10 Jan 14

old town robin says...

NORTH STAND, Would agree with much of what you have said, but doubt very much if Lee Power has benefited from the work streams you mention (Your quote) I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?

As I'm sure you are aware much of that income you have mentioned had already been used by Jedi & Co on HIS priorities, which may not have been in the best interest of STFC, leaving a few creditors unpaid that Lee has to resolve put the future progress of the club in limbo IMHO . Add to that most of what Swinton20 put in was to pay off Seeback87, so your opinion that Lee should have available funds for transfers, does not add up. Lee has already said he will be putting more money in and there will be a small amount available for this transfer window. I accept that and believe most of the fans do to as I hope you do too.
NORTH STAND, Would agree with much of what you have said, but doubt very much if Lee Power has benefited from the work streams you mention (Your quote) I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....? As I'm sure you are aware much of that income you have mentioned had already been used by Jedi & Co on HIS priorities, which may not have been in the best interest of STFC, leaving a few creditors unpaid that Lee has to resolve put the future progress of the club in limbo IMHO . Add to that most of what Swinton20 put in was to pay off Seeback87, so your opinion that Lee should have available funds for transfers, does not add up. Lee has already said he will be putting more money in and there will be a small amount available for this transfer window. I accept that and believe most of the fans do to as I hope you do too. old town robin

4:36pm Fri 10 Jan 14

NORTH STAND says...

Den - we've certainly been spoiled with Austin and Cox in recent years,,, and you're absolutely right about Shearer- he could look bloody awful when it wasn't happening for him...!
Den - we've certainly been spoiled with Austin and Cox in recent years,,, and you're absolutely right about Shearer- he could look bloody awful when it wasn't happening for him...! NORTH STAND

4:39pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Evening Den - always happy to disagree on PDC but not sure where you got the idea I didn't rate McDonald...? He was clearly not at PDC level in terns of capacity but he was certainly an honourable and competent footballing man. MC is a step backwards (imo) from McDonald technically but I don't blame him for taking the job (puppet in chief) and I do feel sorry for him in trying to address the media on a daily basis from an impossible position. Again I think he is honourable and committed to the club and I won't slag anyone who offers that - it's why I prefer a Nathan Thompson to a Pritchard every day of the week, whatever their respective talents....
Sorry NS, lazy reading on my part. When you mentioned the "previous joker" I thought you were referring to KM but that's because I didn't read your post properly (although I think you did once describe him as the "non-foreign mediocrity" that I wanted in charge of the team!)
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Evening Den - always happy to disagree on PDC but not sure where you got the idea I didn't rate McDonald...? He was clearly not at PDC level in terns of capacity but he was certainly an honourable and competent footballing man. MC is a step backwards (imo) from McDonald technically but I don't blame him for taking the job (puppet in chief) and I do feel sorry for him in trying to address the media on a daily basis from an impossible position. Again I think he is honourable and committed to the club and I won't slag anyone who offers that - it's why I prefer a Nathan Thompson to a Pritchard every day of the week, whatever their respective talents....[/p][/quote]Sorry NS, lazy reading on my part. When you mentioned the "previous joker" I thought you were referring to KM but that's because I didn't read your post properly (although I think you did once describe him as the "non-foreign mediocrity" that I wanted in charge of the team!) Oi Den!

4:45pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next.

My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.
My best two are Austin and Shearer. Shearer's scoring ratio was 1 in 2, Austin's was slightly better but Shearer played three times as many games, additionally his hold up play was exemplary. He had a very good first touch and was never a 'donkey' in my view.

For his size Peter Noble was the best player in the air that I saw. His finishing was great, the winner at the Hawthorns against Burnley comes to mind. Eastoe and Cox were both natural scorers and good footballers to boot (pun intended). I agree about Fjortoft too.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next. My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.[/p][/quote]My best two are Austin and Shearer. Shearer's scoring ratio was 1 in 2, Austin's was slightly better but Shearer played three times as many games, additionally his hold up play was exemplary. He had a very good first touch and was never a 'donkey' in my view. For his size Peter Noble was the best player in the air that I saw. His finishing was great, the winner at the Hawthorns against Burnley comes to mind. Eastoe and Cox were both natural scorers and good footballers to boot (pun intended). I agree about Fjortoft too. Swindonian63

4:56pm Fri 10 Jan 14

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next.

My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.
Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next. My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.[/p][/quote]Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!! the don69

5:28pm Fri 10 Jan 14

NORTH STAND says...

old town robin wrote:
NORTH STAND, Would agree with much of what you have said, but doubt very much if Lee Power has benefited from the work streams you mention (Your quote) I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?

As I'm sure you are aware much of that income you have mentioned had already been used by Jedi & Co on HIS priorities, which may not have been in the best interest of STFC, leaving a few creditors unpaid that Lee has to resolve put the future progress of the club in limbo IMHO . Add to that most of what Swinton20 put in was to pay off Seeback87, so your opinion that Lee should have available funds for transfers, does not add up. Lee has already said he will be putting more money in and there will be a small amount available for this transfer window. I accept that and believe most of the fans do to as I hope you do too.
Certainly happy to give Power the benefit of the doubt for now OT but I'm not convinced we are yet safe enough this season to start rebuilding for the future.... Remember only recently how the sale of Austen and resultant lack of any meaningful goal threat took us down from a similar position (still unfairly blamed on Hart or the 'Leeds boys')... being sustainable I can live with but I would hate us to throw away hard won L1 status for the sake of a few quid....
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: NORTH STAND, Would agree with much of what you have said, but doubt very much if Lee Power has benefited from the work streams you mention (Your quote) I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....? As I'm sure you are aware much of that income you have mentioned had already been used by Jedi & Co on HIS priorities, which may not have been in the best interest of STFC, leaving a few creditors unpaid that Lee has to resolve put the future progress of the club in limbo IMHO . Add to that most of what Swinton20 put in was to pay off Seeback87, so your opinion that Lee should have available funds for transfers, does not add up. Lee has already said he will be putting more money in and there will be a small amount available for this transfer window. I accept that and believe most of the fans do to as I hope you do too.[/p][/quote]Certainly happy to give Power the benefit of the doubt for now OT but I'm not convinced we are yet safe enough this season to start rebuilding for the future.... Remember only recently how the sale of Austen and resultant lack of any meaningful goal threat took us down from a similar position (still unfairly blamed on Hart or the 'Leeds boys')... being sustainable I can live with but I would hate us to throw away hard won L1 status for the sake of a few quid.... NORTH STAND

5:29pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Apologies Swindonian - I have been off scraping a living....

No. remembering Bert's babes doesn't necessarily make you a fool - in fact it guarantees the sort of perspective that allows you to understand the highs and lows of the game... and even recall when saturdays really were something to look forward to all week...., your username does suggest you might have been a very young devotee though....>

i think my frustration nowadays is with those who think we can return to those days with the same business model... the world has (sadly in that respect) moved on and top flight players are no longer to be found working in pits or playing western league football (or at least not on the same scale) Premiership and aspirant clubs now have several hundred children each on their books from the age of 6 and 90% of future lower league players will fall out of that system... Exceptions like the (still under rated) Charlie Austin will come along once in a blue moon but in the main players are at non league clubs for good reason....as a club we can decide whether to invest in proven talent or not but at present (my opinion of course) we have forward line options below those of clubs like Burton, Newport and Mansfield - or perhaps even more worryingly Forest Green, Luton or Wrexham.... ultimately it's strikers that win you points.....
NS...apology accepted and appreciated. I do see where you're coming from, its a very different world from the early 60s!
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Apologies Swindonian - I have been off scraping a living.... No. remembering Bert's babes doesn't necessarily make you a fool - in fact it guarantees the sort of perspective that allows you to understand the highs and lows of the game... and even recall when saturdays really were something to look forward to all week...., your username does suggest you might have been a very young devotee though....> i think my frustration nowadays is with those who think we can return to those days with the same business model... the world has (sadly in that respect) moved on and top flight players are no longer to be found working in pits or playing western league football (or at least not on the same scale) Premiership and aspirant clubs now have several hundred children each on their books from the age of 6 and 90% of future lower league players will fall out of that system... Exceptions like the (still under rated) Charlie Austin will come along once in a blue moon but in the main players are at non league clubs for good reason....as a club we can decide whether to invest in proven talent or not but at present (my opinion of course) we have forward line options below those of clubs like Burton, Newport and Mansfield - or perhaps even more worryingly Forest Green, Luton or Wrexham.... ultimately it's strikers that win you points.....[/p][/quote]NS...apology accepted and appreciated. I do see where you're coming from, its a very different world from the early 60s! Swindonian63

5:36pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course.... Wilesy

6:08pm Fri 10 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next.

My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.
Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!!
Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level.

Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes.

Now, how about wingers??
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next. My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.[/p][/quote]Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level. Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes. Now, how about wingers?? mancrobin

6:45pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Swindon Crier says...

Shearer andAustin would be unplayable
Shearer andAustin would be unplayable Swindon Crier

6:55pm Fri 10 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Manc I'm with the Jan the man was over-rated club. You mention the poor start - we'd thought he'd never score. I ever saw him hi as a natural goalscorer in the old fashioned sense. I suppose I mean by that that he didn't always have an instinctive nose for goal.
Wingers - start with the king- Rogers then there was - Heath, Henderson, Lowes, Walker, Summerbee M, Jenkins, Bamber, Jackson, ....etc
Manc I'm with the Jan the man was over-rated club. You mention the poor start - we'd thought he'd never score. I ever saw him hi as a natural goalscorer in the old fashioned sense. I suppose I mean by that that he didn't always have an instinctive nose for goal. Wingers - start with the king- Rogers then there was - Heath, Henderson, Lowes, Walker, Summerbee M, Jenkins, Bamber, Jackson, ....etc The Jockster

6:59pm Fri 10 Jan 14

red steam zulu says...

get mehdi kerrouche back he was quality
get mehdi kerrouche back he was quality red steam zulu

7:04pm Fri 10 Jan 14

ellory says...

Oi Den! wrote:
ellory wrote:
Oi Den, I don't think it's a case of preferring not to have any financial clout. It's more that "financial clout" usually involves a dependency on a single individual (or their associates) and thus leaves the club in a precarious situation if they decide they no longer want to invest (a la Black).
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If someone wants to come along and spend a load of money on STFC I'm sure you won't find many trying to put them off - but I'd certainly ask questions, namely 1) what do they want in return? and 2) what position would be in without that cash?
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It's the potential answers to those questions that make people wary of a wealthy benefactor, not a lack of want for more £ in our coffers!
That might be a fair point in principle but I don't think using Black as an example is good support for the case. He and his associates left the club in a far better state than they found it in. I wouldn't mind betting that we were also better off than most other clubs at our level. I suspect that things were not so healthy by the time McCrory and his crew had left. OK, so Black didn't write off his entire multimillion investment but he's in no hurry to get back the remaining £3m loan. I fail to see how that's bad news. Most clubs and fans would have been pretty happy with that at the end of five years of generous funding.
I agree that Black is a bad example in terms of leaving the club better than it was before - but he IS a good example of what can potentially happen when the money man wants out, given how close we were to disintegration.
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It's all hypothetical (and perhaps depends on which side of the anti/pro AB debate you sit) but I still feel the man was a rarity in how much he put into the club and how little he has asked for back. There has been enough comment in these sections about how Bournemouth will fare when their Russian packs up. A certain Mr (Sri) Tan has invested an enormous amount of money in Cardiff City but I wouldn't want him anywhere near my club.
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I won't pretend I didn't enjoy the black/PDC era, and if a billionaire came along tomorrow and said "I'll help you secure the likes of Wes and Pritchard permanently and bring in some experienced players from L1 & the Championship" I doubt you'd get many complaints. But I'd still ask the same questions I mentioned above, and I'd still be wary of how it would affect us in the long term.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ellory[/bold] wrote: Oi Den, I don't think it's a case of preferring not to have any financial clout. It's more that "financial clout" usually involves a dependency on a single individual (or their associates) and thus leaves the club in a precarious situation if they decide they no longer want to invest (a la Black). . If someone wants to come along and spend a load of money on STFC I'm sure you won't find many trying to put them off - but I'd certainly ask questions, namely 1) what do they want in return? and 2) what position would be in without that cash? . It's the potential answers to those questions that make people wary of a wealthy benefactor, not a lack of want for more £ in our coffers![/p][/quote]That might be a fair point in principle but I don't think using Black as an example is good support for the case. He and his associates left the club in a far better state than they found it in. I wouldn't mind betting that we were also better off than most other clubs at our level. I suspect that things were not so healthy by the time McCrory and his crew had left. OK, so Black didn't write off his entire multimillion investment but he's in no hurry to get back the remaining £3m loan. I fail to see how that's bad news. Most clubs and fans would have been pretty happy with that at the end of five years of generous funding.[/p][/quote]I agree that Black is a bad example in terms of leaving the club better than it was before - but he IS a good example of what can potentially happen when the money man wants out, given how close we were to disintegration. . It's all hypothetical (and perhaps depends on which side of the anti/pro AB debate you sit) but I still feel the man was a rarity in how much he put into the club and how little he has asked for back. There has been enough comment in these sections about how Bournemouth will fare when their Russian packs up. A certain Mr (Sri) Tan has invested an enormous amount of money in Cardiff City but I wouldn't want him anywhere near my club. . I won't pretend I didn't enjoy the black/PDC era, and if a billionaire came along tomorrow and said "I'll help you secure the likes of Wes and Pritchard permanently and bring in some experienced players from L1 & the Championship" I doubt you'd get many complaints. But I'd still ask the same questions I mentioned above, and I'd still be wary of how it would affect us in the long term. ellory

8:21pm Fri 10 Jan 14

joey butler says...

Wilesy wrote:
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
Wilesy,

And if it was 1967 again, Ranger would be almost certain to get a major part in ''The Dirty Dozen''. No audition required, he would fit in naturally!!!
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....[/p][/quote]Wilesy, And if it was 1967 again, Ranger would be almost certain to get a major part in ''The Dirty Dozen''. No audition required, he would fit in naturally!!! joey butler

8:49pm Fri 10 Jan 14

london paolo says...

mancrobin wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next.

My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.
Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!!
Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level.

Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes.

Now, how about wingers??
Don Heath?
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next. My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.[/p][/quote]Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level. Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes. Now, how about wingers??[/p][/quote]Don Heath? london paolo

8:55pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Steve. Brentford says...

The Jockster wrote:
Manc I'm with the Jan the man was over-rated club. You mention the poor start - we'd thought he'd never score. I ever saw him hi as a natural goalscorer in the old fashioned sense. I suppose I mean by that that he didn't always have an instinctive nose for goal.
Wingers - start with the king- Rogers then there was - Heath, Henderson, Lowes, Walker, Summerbee M, Jenkins, Bamber, Jackson, ....etc
Yeah and i hated that "Jan Jan he`s our man if he cant help us no one can" until he started scoring a few anyway :O) Loved Shearer and Alan Mayes but think it`s hard to say who was our best, Charlie Austin was without a doubt one of our best but whether i would say better than all before is difficult.

I see Barn door has signed for Sheff Utd today!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Manc I'm with the Jan the man was over-rated club. You mention the poor start - we'd thought he'd never score. I ever saw him hi as a natural goalscorer in the old fashioned sense. I suppose I mean by that that he didn't always have an instinctive nose for goal. Wingers - start with the king- Rogers then there was - Heath, Henderson, Lowes, Walker, Summerbee M, Jenkins, Bamber, Jackson, ....etc[/p][/quote]Yeah and i hated that "Jan Jan he`s our man if he cant help us no one can" until he started scoring a few anyway :O) Loved Shearer and Alan Mayes but think it`s hard to say who was our best, Charlie Austin was without a doubt one of our best but whether i would say better than all before is difficult. I see Barn door has signed for Sheff Utd today! Steve. Brentford

9:02pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

Wilesy wrote:
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....[/p][/quote]I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring. Di kanny oh

9:08pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.
We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....[/p][/quote]I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.[/p][/quote]We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now.... Wilesy

9:16pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

Wilesy wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.
We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....
Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....[/p][/quote]I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.[/p][/quote]We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....[/p][/quote]Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town. Di kanny oh

9:37pm Fri 10 Jan 14

joey butler says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.
We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....
Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.
''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above.

And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win.

Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....[/p][/quote]I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.[/p][/quote]We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....[/p][/quote]Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.[/p][/quote]''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above. And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win. Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief. joey butler

10:46pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

ellory wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
ellory wrote:
Oi Den, I don't think it's a case of preferring not to have any financial clout. It's more that "financial clout" usually involves a dependency on a single individual (or their associates) and thus leaves the club in a precarious situation if they decide they no longer want to invest (a la Black).
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If someone wants to come along and spend a load of money on STFC I'm sure you won't find many trying to put them off - but I'd certainly ask questions, namely 1) what do they want in return? and 2) what position would be in without that cash?
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It's the potential answers to those questions that make people wary of a wealthy benefactor, not a lack of want for more £ in our coffers!
That might be a fair point in principle but I don't think using Black as an example is good support for the case. He and his associates left the club in a far better state than they found it in. I wouldn't mind betting that we were also better off than most other clubs at our level. I suspect that things were not so healthy by the time McCrory and his crew had left. OK, so Black didn't write off his entire multimillion investment but he's in no hurry to get back the remaining £3m loan. I fail to see how that's bad news. Most clubs and fans would have been pretty happy with that at the end of five years of generous funding.
I agree that Black is a bad example in terms of leaving the club better than it was before - but he IS a good example of what can potentially happen when the money man wants out, given how close we were to disintegration.
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It's all hypothetical (and perhaps depends on which side of the anti/pro AB debate you sit) but I still feel the man was a rarity in how much he put into the club and how little he has asked for back. There has been enough comment in these sections about how Bournemouth will fare when their Russian packs up. A certain Mr (Sri) Tan has invested an enormous amount of money in Cardiff City but I wouldn't want him anywhere near my club.
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I won't pretend I didn't enjoy the black/PDC era, and if a billionaire came along tomorrow and said "I'll help you secure the likes of Wes and Pritchard permanently and bring in some experienced players from L1 & the Championship" I doubt you'd get many complaints. But I'd still ask the same questions I mentioned above, and I'd still be wary of how it would affect us in the long term.
ellory, we're not all that far apart. I'd certainly rather be we are than in the Premier League under the control of someone who has no respect for the traditions of the game in this country (and Wales!).

But there's no getting away from the fact that many posters on here openly preferred Jed McCrory and his "sustainable (tell 'em what they want to hear, zero investment, nice little earner) model" to Andrew Black's generous funding of the club. Baffles me.
[quote][p][bold]ellory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ellory[/bold] wrote: Oi Den, I don't think it's a case of preferring not to have any financial clout. It's more that "financial clout" usually involves a dependency on a single individual (or their associates) and thus leaves the club in a precarious situation if they decide they no longer want to invest (a la Black). . If someone wants to come along and spend a load of money on STFC I'm sure you won't find many trying to put them off - but I'd certainly ask questions, namely 1) what do they want in return? and 2) what position would be in without that cash? . It's the potential answers to those questions that make people wary of a wealthy benefactor, not a lack of want for more £ in our coffers![/p][/quote]That might be a fair point in principle but I don't think using Black as an example is good support for the case. He and his associates left the club in a far better state than they found it in. I wouldn't mind betting that we were also better off than most other clubs at our level. I suspect that things were not so healthy by the time McCrory and his crew had left. OK, so Black didn't write off his entire multimillion investment but he's in no hurry to get back the remaining £3m loan. I fail to see how that's bad news. Most clubs and fans would have been pretty happy with that at the end of five years of generous funding.[/p][/quote]I agree that Black is a bad example in terms of leaving the club better than it was before - but he IS a good example of what can potentially happen when the money man wants out, given how close we were to disintegration. . It's all hypothetical (and perhaps depends on which side of the anti/pro AB debate you sit) but I still feel the man was a rarity in how much he put into the club and how little he has asked for back. There has been enough comment in these sections about how Bournemouth will fare when their Russian packs up. A certain Mr (Sri) Tan has invested an enormous amount of money in Cardiff City but I wouldn't want him anywhere near my club. . I won't pretend I didn't enjoy the black/PDC era, and if a billionaire came along tomorrow and said "I'll help you secure the likes of Wes and Pritchard permanently and bring in some experienced players from L1 & the Championship" I doubt you'd get many complaints. But I'd still ask the same questions I mentioned above, and I'd still be wary of how it would affect us in the long term.[/p][/quote]ellory, we're not all that far apart. I'd certainly rather be we are than in the Premier League under the control of someone who has no respect for the traditions of the game in this country (and Wales!). But there's no getting away from the fact that many posters on here openly preferred Jed McCrory and his "sustainable (tell 'em what they want to hear, zero investment, nice little earner) model" to Andrew Black's generous funding of the club. Baffles me. Oi Den!

10:46pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

joey butler wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.
We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....
Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.
''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above.

And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win.

Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.
Hi JB I think your missing my point as what I am trying to say that some or many of us have that little devilment within us and possible Jekyll and Hyde if you like and its the darker side that says hey if the Town win who gives a sh*t but reality is the Hyde within says get rid of the clown. I liked Di Canio as a manager and even admired him in a perverse sort of way when he got sent to the stands as he was rebelling against the system and sticking two fingers up. Yes we would all like to be prim and proper Joey but can you tell me you are 100% a person who lives like a saint and has never done any wrong. I will admit that I used to go to football many years ago purely to fight and could not care less what the game was like or what the result was but now . Now I pride myself on being able to help other people as much as I can and these people say its impossible that I could ever have acted in this way when I tell them about the old days. What I am saying is may be that devil is still in there somewhere Joey. Am I bad person for that ? who knows
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....[/p][/quote]I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.[/p][/quote]We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....[/p][/quote]Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.[/p][/quote]''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above. And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win. Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.[/p][/quote]Hi JB I think your missing my point as what I am trying to say that some or many of us have that little devilment within us and possible Jekyll and Hyde if you like and its the darker side that says hey if the Town win who gives a sh*t but reality is the Hyde within says get rid of the clown. I liked Di Canio as a manager and even admired him in a perverse sort of way when he got sent to the stands as he was rebelling against the system and sticking two fingers up. Yes we would all like to be prim and proper Joey but can you tell me you are 100% a person who lives like a saint and has never done any wrong. I will admit that I used to go to football many years ago purely to fight and could not care less what the game was like or what the result was but now . Now I pride myself on being able to help other people as much as I can and these people say its impossible that I could ever have acted in this way when I tell them about the old days. What I am saying is may be that devil is still in there somewhere Joey. Am I bad person for that ? who knows Di kanny oh

10:49pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.
We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....
Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.
''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above.

And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win.

Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.
Hi JB I think your missing my point as what I am trying to say that some or many of us have that little devilment within us and possible Jekyll and Hyde if you like and its the darker side that says hey if the Town win who gives a sh*t but reality is the Hyde within says get rid of the clown. I liked Di Canio as a manager and even admired him in a perverse sort of way when he got sent to the stands as he was rebelling against the system and sticking two fingers up. Yes we would all like to be prim and proper Joey but can you tell me you are 100% a person who lives like a saint and has never done any wrong. I will admit that I used to go to football many years ago purely to fight and could not care less what the game was like or what the result was but now . Now I pride myself on being able to help other people as much as I can and these people say its impossible that I could ever have acted in this way when I tell them about the old days. What I am saying is may be that devil is still in there somewhere Joey. Am I bad person for that ? who knows
And by the way Joey drop the Wizard bit that really is getting boring now.
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....[/p][/quote]I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.[/p][/quote]We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....[/p][/quote]Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.[/p][/quote]''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above. And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win. Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.[/p][/quote]Hi JB I think your missing my point as what I am trying to say that some or many of us have that little devilment within us and possible Jekyll and Hyde if you like and its the darker side that says hey if the Town win who gives a sh*t but reality is the Hyde within says get rid of the clown. I liked Di Canio as a manager and even admired him in a perverse sort of way when he got sent to the stands as he was rebelling against the system and sticking two fingers up. Yes we would all like to be prim and proper Joey but can you tell me you are 100% a person who lives like a saint and has never done any wrong. I will admit that I used to go to football many years ago purely to fight and could not care less what the game was like or what the result was but now . Now I pride myself on being able to help other people as much as I can and these people say its impossible that I could ever have acted in this way when I tell them about the old days. What I am saying is may be that devil is still in there somewhere Joey. Am I bad person for that ? who knows[/p][/quote]And by the way Joey drop the Wizard bit that really is getting boring now. Di kanny oh

10:59pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

joey butler wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.
We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....
Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.
''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above.

And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win.

Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.
Joey, I completely agree with you about Ranger and completely disagree with DKO. But PLEASE do him the service of respecting him as an individual. I've no idea who he is, except that his name is Mike and he lives in Swindon, while Wizard is Steve and he lives in Witney. You're a frequent reader and contributor to this site. If you take a step back and think about it, you'll realise that all this multiple identity stuff is wild imagining. I don't know whether you really believe it or you just like to wind people up but I do know for sure that it's total nonsense and does nobody any good.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....[/p][/quote]I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.[/p][/quote]We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....[/p][/quote]Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.[/p][/quote]''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above. And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win. Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.[/p][/quote]Joey, I completely agree with you about Ranger and completely disagree with DKO. But PLEASE do him the service of respecting him as an individual. I've no idea who he is, except that his name is Mike and he lives in Swindon, while Wizard is Steve and he lives in Witney. You're a frequent reader and contributor to this site. If you take a step back and think about it, you'll realise that all this multiple identity stuff is wild imagining. I don't know whether you really believe it or you just like to wind people up but I do know for sure that it's total nonsense and does nobody any good. Oi Den!

11:03pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

Oi Den! wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.
We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....
Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.
''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above.

And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win.

Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.
Joey, I completely agree with you about Ranger and completely disagree with DKO. But PLEASE do him the service of respecting him as an individual. I've no idea who he is, except that his name is Mike and he lives in Swindon, while Wizard is Steve and he lives in Witney. You're a frequent reader and contributor to this site. If you take a step back and think about it, you'll realise that all this multiple identity stuff is wild imagining. I don't know whether you really believe it or you just like to wind people up but I do know for sure that it's total nonsense and does nobody any good.
Thanks Den very much appreciated and correct it is Mike from Swindon.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....[/p][/quote]I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.[/p][/quote]We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....[/p][/quote]Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.[/p][/quote]''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above. And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win. Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.[/p][/quote]Joey, I completely agree with you about Ranger and completely disagree with DKO. But PLEASE do him the service of respecting him as an individual. I've no idea who he is, except that his name is Mike and he lives in Swindon, while Wizard is Steve and he lives in Witney. You're a frequent reader and contributor to this site. If you take a step back and think about it, you'll realise that all this multiple identity stuff is wild imagining. I don't know whether you really believe it or you just like to wind people up but I do know for sure that it's total nonsense and does nobody any good.[/p][/quote]Thanks Den very much appreciated and correct it is Mike from Swindon. Di kanny oh

11:05pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

london paolo wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next.

My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.
Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!!
Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level.

Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes.

Now, how about wingers??
Don Heath?
Nah. Rogers of course, then maybe Moss, Miller or Danny Ward. Disagree on the combo too. It may have been short-lived but Austin and Paynter were fantastic. Leeds, Southampton and many others would testify to that.
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next. My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.[/p][/quote]Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level. Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes. Now, how about wingers??[/p][/quote]Don Heath?[/p][/quote]Nah. Rogers of course, then maybe Moss, Miller or Danny Ward. Disagree on the combo too. It may have been short-lived but Austin and Paynter were fantastic. Leeds, Southampton and many others would testify to that. Oi Den!

11:16pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

Well we've done the strikers and strike partnerships so new debate is who has been our best center backs.. Frank Burrows, Stan Harland, Mel Nurse, Oo Shaun Taylor. The fridge Colin Calderwood, any more guys.
Well we've done the strikers and strike partnerships so new debate is who has been our best center backs.. Frank Burrows, Stan Harland, Mel Nurse, Oo Shaun Taylor. The fridge Colin Calderwood, any more guys. Di kanny oh

11:24pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
Well we've done the strikers and strike partnerships so new debate is who has been our best center backs.. Frank Burrows, Stan Harland, Mel Nurse, Oo Shaun Taylor. The fridge Colin Calderwood, any more guys.
Greer has to be in there somewhere. Tricky one though. Harland and Calderwood better than the others with the ball at their feet. Burrows, Taylor and Greer superb in the air. Taylor, for his sheer guts and commitment, is my second favourite Town player of all time.
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: Well we've done the strikers and strike partnerships so new debate is who has been our best center backs.. Frank Burrows, Stan Harland, Mel Nurse, Oo Shaun Taylor. The fridge Colin Calderwood, any more guys.[/p][/quote]Greer has to be in there somewhere. Tricky one though. Harland and Calderwood better than the others with the ball at their feet. Burrows, Taylor and Greer superb in the air. Taylor, for his sheer guts and commitment, is my second favourite Town player of all time. Oi Den!

11:34pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Well we've done the strikers and strike partnerships so new debate is who has been our best center backs.. Frank Burrows, Stan Harland, Mel Nurse, Oo Shaun Taylor. The fridge Colin Calderwood, any more guys.
Greer has to be in there somewhere. Tricky one though. Harland and Calderwood better than the others with the ball at their feet. Burrows, Taylor and Greer superb in the air. Taylor, for his sheer guts and commitment, is my second favourite Town player of all time.
Totally agree Den my favorite too was Shaun Taylor who was like a lion and fearless and often put his head in the mixer. Like you say each had their own attribute and certainly forgot Greer. I do remember Calderwood getting us out of many situations with his ultra coolness hence his nick name the fridge. O'Hanlon was decent when he came here and the big fella Steve Aizlewood was his name built like a brick sh*t house.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: Well we've done the strikers and strike partnerships so new debate is who has been our best center backs.. Frank Burrows, Stan Harland, Mel Nurse, Oo Shaun Taylor. The fridge Colin Calderwood, any more guys.[/p][/quote]Greer has to be in there somewhere. Tricky one though. Harland and Calderwood better than the others with the ball at their feet. Burrows, Taylor and Greer superb in the air. Taylor, for his sheer guts and commitment, is my second favourite Town player of all time.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Den my favorite too was Shaun Taylor who was like a lion and fearless and often put his head in the mixer. Like you say each had their own attribute and certainly forgot Greer. I do remember Calderwood getting us out of many situations with his ultra coolness hence his nick name the fridge. O'Hanlon was decent when he came here and the big fella Steve Aizlewood was his name built like a brick sh*t house. Di kanny oh

11:46pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

LeGod wrote:
Bily hunt 65 - should your surname begin with the third letter of the alphabet because your comment tells me your one.
Bl00dy Heel LeGod 599 positives (when posting) must be a record, bet Jockster wishes he had come up with your post :-)

COYMR

On second thoughts he would probably have got -599 :-)
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Bily hunt 65 - should your surname begin with the third letter of the alphabet because your comment tells me your one.[/p][/quote]Bl00dy Heel LeGod 599 positives (when posting) must be a record, bet Jockster wishes he had come up with your post :-) COYMR On second thoughts he would probably have got -599 :-) Oxon-Red

11:47pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
LeGod wrote:
Bily hunt 65 - should your surname begin with the third letter of the alphabet because your comment tells me your one.
Bl00dy Heel LeGod 599 positives (when posting) must be a record, bet Jockster wishes he had come up with your post :-)

COYMR

On second thoughts he would probably have got -599 :-)
Just made it 600 :-)

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Bily hunt 65 - should your surname begin with the third letter of the alphabet because your comment tells me your one.[/p][/quote]Bl00dy Heel LeGod 599 positives (when posting) must be a record, bet Jockster wishes he had come up with your post :-) COYMR On second thoughts he would probably have got -599 :-)[/p][/quote]Just made it 600 :-) COYMR Oxon-Red

12:02am Sat 11 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
NORTH STAND wrote:
Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground....

Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport...
.
I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?
NS, I think we have to accept the economic reality we find ourselves in. Ajose isn't bad but he's no great shakes. Somebody mention half a million? Never in this world is he worth that. Ranger had to go - bonkers signing in the first place. Best of luck to El Gabas but I don't think he's up to Football League standard. All decisions correct IMO. Buying/retaining those players would have made no economic sense.

Some fans seem to believe we are better off skint than having some financial clout. I'll never get my head around that one. But we are where we are and at least Power has been straight with us on that, a welcome change from the arch-bullsh1tter.

I disagree with you completely about MacDonald. He picked up a squad shorn of its best players and did a reasonable job. Remember what your hero, PDC, did when he lost those players and couldn't replace them? He threw his toys out of the pram and walked away from the challenge. MacDonald at least had the balls to take it on - until he realised that he'd been sold a new Rolls Royce but bought a clapped out moped.

We agree on Cooper though. Great work in difficult circumstances.

I just hope we start to draw back from the loan market soon. Part of the reason for our pi55poor away form is IMO that we have too many players whose hearts are not really in the club.
Den,

Can I point you 35-40 miles west of Swindon to a club which had financial clout, supposedly. Big article on BBC today, they have reduced their DEBT by 65% (£35M) to £23M. Is this really the situation you want to see at Town ?

I really believe the way forward is living within your means and that clubs that do this now will feel the benefits in the future.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?[/p][/quote]NS, I think we have to accept the economic reality we find ourselves in. Ajose isn't bad but he's no great shakes. Somebody mention half a million? Never in this world is he worth that. Ranger had to go - bonkers signing in the first place. Best of luck to El Gabas but I don't think he's up to Football League standard. All decisions correct IMO. Buying/retaining those players would have made no economic sense. Some fans seem to believe we are better off skint than having some financial clout. I'll never get my head around that one. But we are where we are and at least Power has been straight with us on that, a welcome change from the arch-bullsh1tter. I disagree with you completely about MacDonald. He picked up a squad shorn of its best players and did a reasonable job. Remember what your hero, PDC, did when he lost those players and couldn't replace them? He threw his toys out of the pram and walked away from the challenge. MacDonald at least had the balls to take it on - until he realised that he'd been sold a new Rolls Royce but bought a clapped out moped. We agree on Cooper though. Great work in difficult circumstances. I just hope we start to draw back from the loan market soon. Part of the reason for our pi55poor away form is IMO that we have too many players whose hearts are not really in the club.[/p][/quote]Den, Can I point you 35-40 miles west of Swindon to a club which had financial clout, supposedly. Big article on BBC today, they have reduced their DEBT by 65% (£35M) to £23M. Is this really the situation you want to see at Town ? I really believe the way forward is living within your means and that clubs that do this now will feel the benefits in the future. COYMR Oxon-Red

12:29am Sat 11 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
london paolo wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next.

My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.
Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!!
Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level.

Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes.

Now, how about wingers??
Don Heath?
Nah. Rogers of course, then maybe Moss, Miller or Danny Ward. Disagree on the combo too. It may have been short-lived but Austin and Paynter were fantastic. Leeds, Southampton and many others would testify to that.
My vote has to go to the greatest player this club has ever had, Rogers. The most incisive and dynamic winger I have ever seen. Better than Best in my view but not able to show his wares on the same stage. A footballing legend that is up there with the greats.

After that, I'd have to pick Windy Miller for sheer enjoyment as a winger as he was the best at getting the ball, run inning down the wing and making a great cross. Simple but effective.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next. My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.[/p][/quote]Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level. Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes. Now, how about wingers??[/p][/quote]Don Heath?[/p][/quote]Nah. Rogers of course, then maybe Moss, Miller or Danny Ward. Disagree on the combo too. It may have been short-lived but Austin and Paynter were fantastic. Leeds, Southampton and many others would testify to that.[/p][/quote]My vote has to go to the greatest player this club has ever had, Rogers. The most incisive and dynamic winger I have ever seen. Better than Best in my view but not able to show his wares on the same stage. A footballing legend that is up there with the greats. After that, I'd have to pick Windy Miller for sheer enjoyment as a winger as he was the best at getting the ball, run inning down the wing and making a great cross. Simple but effective. mancrobin

12:33am Sat 11 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
NORTH STAND wrote:
Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground....

Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport...
.
I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?
NS, I think we have to accept the economic reality we find ourselves in. Ajose isn't bad but he's no great shakes. Somebody mention half a million? Never in this world is he worth that. Ranger had to go - bonkers signing in the first place. Best of luck to El Gabas but I don't think he's up to Football League standard. All decisions correct IMO. Buying/retaining those players would have made no economic sense.

Some fans seem to believe we are better off skint than having some financial clout. I'll never get my head around that one. But we are where we are and at least Power has been straight with us on that, a welcome change from the arch-bullsh1tter.

I disagree with you completely about MacDonald. He picked up a squad shorn of its best players and did a reasonable job. Remember what your hero, PDC, did when he lost those players and couldn't replace them? He threw his toys out of the pram and walked away from the challenge. MacDonald at least had the balls to take it on - until he realised that he'd been sold a new Rolls Royce but bought a clapped out moped.

We agree on Cooper though. Great work in difficult circumstances.

I just hope we start to draw back from the loan market soon. Part of the reason for our pi55poor away form is IMO that we have too many players whose hearts are not really in the club.
Den,

Can I point you 35-40 miles west of Swindon to a club which had financial clout, supposedly. Big article on BBC today, they have reduced their DEBT by 65% (£35M) to £23M. Is this really the situation you want to see at Town ?

I really believe the way forward is living within your means and that clubs that do this now will feel the benefits in the future.

COYMR
Oxon, you can point me there if you want - but what is the point?

I have never said I want us to be a big spending club. All I have ever said is that it's good to have financial strength behind us so that we can compete with our rivals for decent players and ward off the predators who sniff around our own better players - and I think that's infinitely preferable to having owners who put nothing into the club but try to make us believe there's a small fortune available to spend on players.

It's not having money that's got Bristol City in the sh!t. It's throwing that money around and getting it wrong. We had some of that under PDC; having Black's money was not the problem.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?[/p][/quote]NS, I think we have to accept the economic reality we find ourselves in. Ajose isn't bad but he's no great shakes. Somebody mention half a million? Never in this world is he worth that. Ranger had to go - bonkers signing in the first place. Best of luck to El Gabas but I don't think he's up to Football League standard. All decisions correct IMO. Buying/retaining those players would have made no economic sense. Some fans seem to believe we are better off skint than having some financial clout. I'll never get my head around that one. But we are where we are and at least Power has been straight with us on that, a welcome change from the arch-bullsh1tter. I disagree with you completely about MacDonald. He picked up a squad shorn of its best players and did a reasonable job. Remember what your hero, PDC, did when he lost those players and couldn't replace them? He threw his toys out of the pram and walked away from the challenge. MacDonald at least had the balls to take it on - until he realised that he'd been sold a new Rolls Royce but bought a clapped out moped. We agree on Cooper though. Great work in difficult circumstances. I just hope we start to draw back from the loan market soon. Part of the reason for our pi55poor away form is IMO that we have too many players whose hearts are not really in the club.[/p][/quote]Den, Can I point you 35-40 miles west of Swindon to a club which had financial clout, supposedly. Big article on BBC today, they have reduced their DEBT by 65% (£35M) to £23M. Is this really the situation you want to see at Town ? I really believe the way forward is living within your means and that clubs that do this now will feel the benefits in the future. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, you can point me there if you want - but what is the point? I have never said I want us to be a big spending club. All I have ever said is that it's good to have financial strength behind us so that we can compete with our rivals for decent players and ward off the predators who sniff around our own better players - and I think that's infinitely preferable to having owners who put nothing into the club but try to make us believe there's a small fortune available to spend on players. It's not having money that's got Bristol City in the sh!t. It's throwing that money around and getting it wrong. We had some of that under PDC; having Black's money was not the problem. Oi Den!

12:44am Sat 11 Jan 14

Steve. Brentford says...

Oi Den! wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Di kanny oh wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....
I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.
We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....
Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.
''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above.

And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win.

Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.
Joey, I completely agree with you about Ranger and completely disagree with DKO. But PLEASE do him the service of respecting him as an individual. I've no idea who he is, except that his name is Mike and he lives in Swindon, while Wizard is Steve and he lives in Witney. You're a frequent reader and contributor to this site. If you take a step back and think about it, you'll realise that all this multiple identity stuff is wild imagining. I don't know whether you really believe it or you just like to wind people up but I do know for sure that it's total nonsense and does nobody any good.
Good stuff Den just a couple of points that are not spot on with the above
1. Mike does not live in Swindon but is from Swindon.
2. Wizard does not live in Witney (may of at one stage)
Not really bothered whether someone decides to post under
more than one username, although i cant see the point but
a certain James Altea was a bit suspect (if you remember) even
the most believing person would have to admit that.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Interestingly Sam tweeting its possible we may not have seen the last of Ranger and not ruling out he could be in contention to play tomorrow. Just when you think you've heard it all. Unless Sam's being a bit mischevous of course....[/p][/quote]I think someone asked Sam if it was possible that Ranger leaving could be reversed and Sam said yes it was possible but we are talking about a question and an opinion I feel and not an answer. Ranger is history and past help and the sooner we get him out the better for the club and its fans. Ranger is one bad dude and certainly no good for this decent club of ours and if he was a decent guy he would never had set foot in SN1 and stayed in Newcastle. Great footballer no doubt what so ever and I suppose after having Di Canio and his rebellious ways and anti beliefs just may be some of us here at the County Ground have that little bit within us that likes a rebel and to be a little bit daring.[/p][/quote]We shall see, I was expecting the contract to have been terminated by now....[/p][/quote]Could also be why the Ngoo deal has been so quiet since Thursday, so who knows funnier things have happened and I would be amazed if Ranger is at the County Ground tomorrow but like you said just when you think you've heard and seen it all hey. Fact is if Ranger plays and we beat the Posh many fans will forgive him yet again. Even I could as all I want is the Town to win every game. This would be a massive u-turn by the Town.[/p][/quote]''This would be a massive u-turn by the Town'' {if Ranger plays} Your words refer above. And yet another hand brake turn by you Wizard!! As you indicate above, it would be ok with you to play Ranger, so long as Town win. Not wishing to single you out Wizard, because you are only one of several of this opinion, but the hypocrisy and absolute lack of integrity on this site about Ranger is simply beyond belief.[/p][/quote]Joey, I completely agree with you about Ranger and completely disagree with DKO. But PLEASE do him the service of respecting him as an individual. I've no idea who he is, except that his name is Mike and he lives in Swindon, while Wizard is Steve and he lives in Witney. You're a frequent reader and contributor to this site. If you take a step back and think about it, you'll realise that all this multiple identity stuff is wild imagining. I don't know whether you really believe it or you just like to wind people up but I do know for sure that it's total nonsense and does nobody any good.[/p][/quote]Good stuff Den just a couple of points that are not spot on with the above 1. Mike does not live in Swindon but is from Swindon. 2. Wizard does not live in Witney (may of at one stage) Not really bothered whether someone decides to post under more than one username, although i cant see the point but a certain James Altea was a bit suspect (if you remember) even the most believing person would have to admit that. Steve. Brentford

12:53am Sat 11 Jan 14

london paolo says...

Oi Den! wrote:
london paolo wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next.

My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.
Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!!
Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level.

Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes.

Now, how about wingers??
Don Heath?
Nah. Rogers of course, then maybe Moss, Miller or Danny Ward. Disagree on the combo too. It may have been short-lived but Austin and Paynter were fantastic. Leeds, Southampton and many others would testify to that.
'twas a bit tongue in cheek. Although Heath has a League Cup winners medal too. Moss and Rogers the obvious ones for goals and excitement, but Matt Ritchie (who he? - Ed) worth a shout.

Our two most successful sides (Hoddle and Ardiles' teams that reached the Premiership) played 3-5-2 without wingers, but had marauding wing backs instead.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next. My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.[/p][/quote]Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level. Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes. Now, how about wingers??[/p][/quote]Don Heath?[/p][/quote]Nah. Rogers of course, then maybe Moss, Miller or Danny Ward. Disagree on the combo too. It may have been short-lived but Austin and Paynter were fantastic. Leeds, Southampton and many others would testify to that.[/p][/quote]'twas a bit tongue in cheek. Although Heath has a League Cup winners medal too. Moss and Rogers the obvious ones for goals and excitement, but Matt Ritchie (who he? - Ed) worth a shout. Our two most successful sides (Hoddle and Ardiles' teams that reached the Premiership) played 3-5-2 without wingers, but had marauding wing backs instead. london paolo

12:59am Sat 11 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

london paolo wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
london paolo wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next.

My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.
Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!!
Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level.

Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes.

Now, how about wingers??
Don Heath?
Nah. Rogers of course, then maybe Moss, Miller or Danny Ward. Disagree on the combo too. It may have been short-lived but Austin and Paynter were fantastic. Leeds, Southampton and many others would testify to that.
'twas a bit tongue in cheek. Although Heath has a League Cup winners medal too. Moss and Rogers the obvious ones for goals and excitement, but Matt Ritchie (who he? - Ed) worth a shout.

Our two most successful sides (Hoddle and Ardiles' teams that reached the Premiership) played 3-5-2 without wingers, but had marauding wing backs instead.
cont...page 94?
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Another thing we agree on NS: Charlie Austin - the best central striker I've seen in a Town shirt. Simon Cox was pretty good, Peter Eastoe even better than him. Fjortoft was overrated. I liked Shearer but he could be devastating one minute and a donkey the next. My best Town front two of all time: Charlie Austin and Peter Noble.[/p][/quote]Paul Rideout and Peter Eastoe would have been a good pairing Den!our great 69 side would have took some stopping with Austin,Noble and Sir Don!we would have gone to the old first division and stayed there for a few years lol!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Despite the poor start, have to say Ffjortoft was the most effective centre forward we ever had and he did it at the highest level in a team finishing bottom of the league. He was a great athlete as well as a natural talent. Austin is probably the nearest to him but yet to prove himself at the highest level. Probably my favourite was Peter Eastoe but there have been so many good ones to savour and the best combo had to be Rowlands and Mayes. Now, how about wingers??[/p][/quote]Don Heath?[/p][/quote]Nah. Rogers of course, then maybe Moss, Miller or Danny Ward. Disagree on the combo too. It may have been short-lived but Austin and Paynter were fantastic. Leeds, Southampton and many others would testify to that.[/p][/quote]'twas a bit tongue in cheek. Although Heath has a League Cup winners medal too. Moss and Rogers the obvious ones for goals and excitement, but Matt Ritchie (who he? - Ed) worth a shout. Our two most successful sides (Hoddle and Ardiles' teams that reached the Premiership) played 3-5-2 without wingers, but had marauding wing backs instead.[/p][/quote]cont...page 94? Oi Den!

7:49am Sat 11 Jan 14

Welsh Wizard says...

Disappointed we did not pick up Paddy Madden, who has signed for a Div 2 team. Also missed out on Adam Morgan who has a proven goal scoring record at Junior level with Liverpool (Signed for Yeovil)
Disappointed we did not pick up Paddy Madden, who has signed for a Div 2 team. Also missed out on Adam Morgan who has a proven goal scoring record at Junior level with Liverpool (Signed for Yeovil) Welsh Wizard

9:06am Sat 11 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
NORTH STAND wrote:
Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground....

Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport...
.
I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?
NS, I think we have to accept the economic reality we find ourselves in. Ajose isn't bad but he's no great shakes. Somebody mention half a million? Never in this world is he worth that. Ranger had to go - bonkers signing in the first place. Best of luck to El Gabas but I don't think he's up to Football League standard. All decisions correct IMO. Buying/retaining those players would have made no economic sense.

Some fans seem to believe we are better off skint than having some financial clout. I'll never get my head around that one. But we are where we are and at least Power has been straight with us on that, a welcome change from the arch-bullsh1tter.

I disagree with you completely about MacDonald. He picked up a squad shorn of its best players and did a reasonable job. Remember what your hero, PDC, did when he lost those players and couldn't replace them? He threw his toys out of the pram and walked away from the challenge. MacDonald at least had the balls to take it on - until he realised that he'd been sold a new Rolls Royce but bought a clapped out moped.

We agree on Cooper though. Great work in difficult circumstances.

I just hope we start to draw back from the loan market soon. Part of the reason for our pi55poor away form is IMO that we have too many players whose hearts are not really in the club.
Den,

Can I point you 35-40 miles west of Swindon to a club which had financial clout, supposedly. Big article on BBC today, they have reduced their DEBT by 65% (£35M) to £23M. Is this really the situation you want to see at Town ?

I really believe the way forward is living within your means and that clubs that do this now will feel the benefits in the future.

COYMR
Oxon, you can point me there if you want - but what is the point?

I have never said I want us to be a big spending club. All I have ever said is that it's good to have financial strength behind us so that we can compete with our rivals for decent players and ward off the predators who sniff around our own better players - and I think that's infinitely preferable to having owners who put nothing into the club but try to make us believe there's a small fortune available to spend on players.

It's not having money that's got Bristol City in the sh!t. It's throwing that money around and getting it wrong. We had some of that under PDC; having Black's money was not the problem.
Den,

I am now very cautious when it comes to investors and wonder what would have happened if Jed's crew (regardless of opinions on him) had not taken over.

Easy to get carried away when the offer of free money is there. Trouble is it is not always free and at some point people want it back. City are not a big club but £58M is the debt of a big club.

What will happen at Manure if they fail to reach top 4 for a few seasons and the share price drops ? Unlikely, but...

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?[/p][/quote]NS, I think we have to accept the economic reality we find ourselves in. Ajose isn't bad but he's no great shakes. Somebody mention half a million? Never in this world is he worth that. Ranger had to go - bonkers signing in the first place. Best of luck to El Gabas but I don't think he's up to Football League standard. All decisions correct IMO. Buying/retaining those players would have made no economic sense. Some fans seem to believe we are better off skint than having some financial clout. I'll never get my head around that one. But we are where we are and at least Power has been straight with us on that, a welcome change from the arch-bullsh1tter. I disagree with you completely about MacDonald. He picked up a squad shorn of its best players and did a reasonable job. Remember what your hero, PDC, did when he lost those players and couldn't replace them? He threw his toys out of the pram and walked away from the challenge. MacDonald at least had the balls to take it on - until he realised that he'd been sold a new Rolls Royce but bought a clapped out moped. We agree on Cooper though. Great work in difficult circumstances. I just hope we start to draw back from the loan market soon. Part of the reason for our pi55poor away form is IMO that we have too many players whose hearts are not really in the club.[/p][/quote]Den, Can I point you 35-40 miles west of Swindon to a club which had financial clout, supposedly. Big article on BBC today, they have reduced their DEBT by 65% (£35M) to £23M. Is this really the situation you want to see at Town ? I really believe the way forward is living within your means and that clubs that do this now will feel the benefits in the future. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, you can point me there if you want - but what is the point? I have never said I want us to be a big spending club. All I have ever said is that it's good to have financial strength behind us so that we can compete with our rivals for decent players and ward off the predators who sniff around our own better players - and I think that's infinitely preferable to having owners who put nothing into the club but try to make us believe there's a small fortune available to spend on players. It's not having money that's got Bristol City in the sh!t. It's throwing that money around and getting it wrong. We had some of that under PDC; having Black's money was not the problem.[/p][/quote]Den, I am now very cautious when it comes to investors and wonder what would have happened if Jed's crew (regardless of opinions on him) had not taken over. Easy to get carried away when the offer of free money is there. Trouble is it is not always free and at some point people want it back. City are not a big club but £58M is the debt of a big club. What will happen at Manure if they fail to reach top 4 for a few seasons and the share price drops ? Unlikely, but... COYMR Oxon-Red

10:19pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
NORTH STAND wrote:
Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground....

Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport...
.
I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?
NS, I think we have to accept the economic reality we find ourselves in. Ajose isn't bad but he's no great shakes. Somebody mention half a million? Never in this world is he worth that. Ranger had to go - bonkers signing in the first place. Best of luck to El Gabas but I don't think he's up to Football League standard. All decisions correct IMO. Buying/retaining those players would have made no economic sense.

Some fans seem to believe we are better off skint than having some financial clout. I'll never get my head around that one. But we are where we are and at least Power has been straight with us on that, a welcome change from the arch-bullsh1tter.

I disagree with you completely about MacDonald. He picked up a squad shorn of its best players and did a reasonable job. Remember what your hero, PDC, did when he lost those players and couldn't replace them? He threw his toys out of the pram and walked away from the challenge. MacDonald at least had the balls to take it on - until he realised that he'd been sold a new Rolls Royce but bought a clapped out moped.

We agree on Cooper though. Great work in difficult circumstances.

I just hope we start to draw back from the loan market soon. Part of the reason for our pi55poor away form is IMO that we have too many players whose hearts are not really in the club.
Den,

Can I point you 35-40 miles west of Swindon to a club which had financial clout, supposedly. Big article on BBC today, they have reduced their DEBT by 65% (£35M) to £23M. Is this really the situation you want to see at Town ?

I really believe the way forward is living within your means and that clubs that do this now will feel the benefits in the future.

COYMR
Oxon, you can point me there if you want - but what is the point?

I have never said I want us to be a big spending club. All I have ever said is that it's good to have financial strength behind us so that we can compete with our rivals for decent players and ward off the predators who sniff around our own better players - and I think that's infinitely preferable to having owners who put nothing into the club but try to make us believe there's a small fortune available to spend on players.

It's not having money that's got Bristol City in the sh!t. It's throwing that money around and getting it wrong. We had some of that under PDC; having Black's money was not the problem.
Den,

I am now very cautious when it comes to investors and wonder what would have happened if Jed's crew (regardless of opinions on him) had not taken over.

Easy to get carried away when the offer of free money is there. Trouble is it is not always free and at some point people want it back. City are not a big club but £58M is the debt of a big club.

What will happen at Manure if they fail to reach top 4 for a few seasons and the share price drops ? Unlikely, but...

COYMR
Oxon, I've always been cautious when it comes to investors. I was one of a fairly small number of people on here who puzzled over the motives of Fitton, Wray, Black and Arbib.

As far as the McCrory takeover is concerned, I think he and his associates got very lucky. For some weeks before they took control, they were being described as the "preferred bidder". Our former man in Kabul and Baghdad was probably taken in by their grandiose promises - just like PDC was at first, Kevin MacDonald was at first and some fans still are. If it hadn't been them, it would have been someone else - maybe someone who would have told us all the truth about their plans and resources. I'm afraid I don't believe that nobody else was interested in buying an effectively debt free football club for £1.

I would pose a different question: what would have happened if Power hadn't realised what was happening and sacked Murrell and McCrory when he did? I reckon they would have carried on draining cash (quite legitimately of course) from the club and we'd have been close to the precipice.

We're on the same wavelength when it comes to caution. My guess is that the difference between us is that you have more of a tendency to be loyal to whoever is in charge than I do - and I think there's a lot to be admired in that.

We'll probably never again be lucky enough to get the sort of help we did from the Fitton consortium. I think we're quite right to continue to be cautious. But I don't see why we should prefer people who make a net take from the club to those who give it genuine financial help.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Same old entrenched positions on here.... and some very silly comments about a proven goalscorer and international striker from those who, as Clueso notes, would not know which way to turn at the end of Manchester Road to find te ground.... Whether you are of the hopeless optimist / ostrich persuasion or a regular cynical whinger it's important sometimes to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on a few facts... In the striker department we have this month refused to pay the going rate to retain the excellent Ajose, released the championship level Ranger and now discarded the next in line senior option. Instead we have recalled two youth strikers from sub conference level activity and offered an eighteen month contract to a friend of a friend who has failed to make an impact at Barnet or Newport... . I really want to think Lee Power can succeed here, he's certainly a hell of a step forward from the previous joker but I don't think it's unreasonable (given 5,000 season tickets, a bonus game against Chelsea and windfalls from Austin,and Flint) to hope for something a little better than this before the end of the month....?[/p][/quote]NS, I think we have to accept the economic reality we find ourselves in. Ajose isn't bad but he's no great shakes. Somebody mention half a million? Never in this world is he worth that. Ranger had to go - bonkers signing in the first place. Best of luck to El Gabas but I don't think he's up to Football League standard. All decisions correct IMO. Buying/retaining those players would have made no economic sense. Some fans seem to believe we are better off skint than having some financial clout. I'll never get my head around that one. But we are where we are and at least Power has been straight with us on that, a welcome change from the arch-bullsh1tter. I disagree with you completely about MacDonald. He picked up a squad shorn of its best players and did a reasonable job. Remember what your hero, PDC, did when he lost those players and couldn't replace them? He threw his toys out of the pram and walked away from the challenge. MacDonald at least had the balls to take it on - until he realised that he'd been sold a new Rolls Royce but bought a clapped out moped. We agree on Cooper though. Great work in difficult circumstances. I just hope we start to draw back from the loan market soon. Part of the reason for our pi55poor away form is IMO that we have too many players whose hearts are not really in the club.[/p][/quote]Den, Can I point you 35-40 miles west of Swindon to a club which had financial clout, supposedly. Big article on BBC today, they have reduced their DEBT by 65% (£35M) to £23M. Is this really the situation you want to see at Town ? I really believe the way forward is living within your means and that clubs that do this now will feel the benefits in the future. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, you can point me there if you want - but what is the point? I have never said I want us to be a big spending club. All I have ever said is that it's good to have financial strength behind us so that we can compete with our rivals for decent players and ward off the predators who sniff around our own better players - and I think that's infinitely preferable to having owners who put nothing into the club but try to make us believe there's a small fortune available to spend on players. It's not having money that's got Bristol City in the sh!t. It's throwing that money around and getting it wrong. We had some of that under PDC; having Black's money was not the problem.[/p][/quote]Den, I am now very cautious when it comes to investors and wonder what would have happened if Jed's crew (regardless of opinions on him) had not taken over. Easy to get carried away when the offer of free money is there. Trouble is it is not always free and at some point people want it back. City are not a big club but £58M is the debt of a big club. What will happen at Manure if they fail to reach top 4 for a few seasons and the share price drops ? Unlikely, but... COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, I've always been cautious when it comes to investors. I was one of a fairly small number of people on here who puzzled over the motives of Fitton, Wray, Black and Arbib. As far as the McCrory takeover is concerned, I think he and his associates got very lucky. For some weeks before they took control, they were being described as the "preferred bidder". Our former man in Kabul and Baghdad was probably taken in by their grandiose promises - just like PDC was at first, Kevin MacDonald was at first and some fans still are. If it hadn't been them, it would have been someone else - maybe someone who would have told us all the truth about their plans and resources. I'm afraid I don't believe that nobody else was interested in buying an effectively debt free football club for £1. I would pose a different question: what would have happened if Power hadn't realised what was happening and sacked Murrell and McCrory when he did? I reckon they would have carried on draining cash (quite legitimately of course) from the club and we'd have been close to the precipice. We're on the same wavelength when it comes to caution. My guess is that the difference between us is that you have more of a tendency to be loyal to whoever is in charge than I do - and I think there's a lot to be admired in that. We'll probably never again be lucky enough to get the sort of help we did from the Fitton consortium. I think we're quite right to continue to be cautious. But I don't see why we should prefer people who make a net take from the club to those who give it genuine financial help. Oi Den!

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