No talks due for Swindon Town's out-of-contract players

Swindon Advertiser: Jay McEveley is one of 18 of Swindon Town's players out of contract in the summer Jay McEveley is one of 18 of Swindon Town's players out of contract in the summer

NO contract talks are imminent for those players whose current deals at Swindon Town expire at the end of this season, according to manager Mark Cooper.

Eighteen members of Cooper’s squad are believed to be out of contract this summer, though Town refused to confirm the identities of the individuals in question to the Advertiser yesterday, but the Robins will not sit down to discuss new terms until the final weeks of the campaign at the earliest.

Leigh Bedwell, Jay McEveley, Alex Smith, Jack Barthram, Aaron Oakley, Raphael Rossi Branco, Troy Archibald-Henville, Andy Williams, Dany N’Guessan, Connor Waldon, Mark Francis, Lee Cox, Paul Benson, Alan Navarro, Harry Agombar, Kayden Jackson, Nile Ranger and Alex Ferguson are all in the final year of their Town deals, though Smith, Barthram and Ranger’s terms all include one-year options.

With Swindon owner Lee Power ready to trim the wage bill again this summer in the pursuit of self-sustainability, the bumper paydays previously available at the County Ground will be a thing of the past.

“I’m sure that Lee will be waiting until we get closer until the end of the season until we do anything. It’ll be to do with budget,” Cooper told the Advertiser.

“I’ll sit down with Lee and we’ll decide where we’re going but it will come down to making sure that the club is still here next year and is self-sufficient, nothing else.

“What won’t happen is they won’t be getting contracts anywhere near what they’ve been earning, that’s the problem.”

Regardless of the players Town lose this summer, Cooper is confident that the core that remains will have the grounding to be successful in 2014/15.

“We have a nucleus of a strong squad for next season as well and we have to make sure we add the right ones over the coming months to make us even stronger next year,” he said.

“What the boys have been through this year will stand us in good stead for next year.”

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7:29am Tue 25 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

His remarks should be said in the Apollo theatre.
Bring in the skating vicar
His remarks should be said in the Apollo theatre. Bring in the skating vicar smirg kcab

7:33am Tue 25 Feb 14

multipostingshouldbebanned says...

We could always find a Five-a-side league to play in lol.
We could always find a Five-a-side league to play in lol. multipostingshouldbebanned

7:39am Tue 25 Feb 14

avo says...

Theres at least 4 names on that list that are long overdue the walk out the door. That will be a very good start to the clean up operation.
Theres at least 4 names on that list that are long overdue the walk out the door. That will be a very good start to the clean up operation. avo

7:54am Tue 25 Feb 14

London Red says...

We may have 18 out of contract but only really 7 could be classed as first teamers - 3 of them then have extension options!
.
Ranger N'Guessan Troy Branco Smith Barthram and Oakley are the only ones I would keep
.
Ignoring all out of contract players we know we have Wes Belford N.Thompson Byrne Ward Luongo Kasim Harley L.Thompson Tijane M.Smith and Barker signed up - with 8 regular starters - so the core should remain
.
I would be very happy with those 19 as the starting point for building next year
We may have 18 out of contract but only really 7 could be classed as first teamers - 3 of them then have extension options! . Ranger N'Guessan Troy Branco Smith Barthram and Oakley are the only ones I would keep . Ignoring all out of contract players we know we have Wes Belford N.Thompson Byrne Ward Luongo Kasim Harley L.Thompson Tijane M.Smith and Barker signed up - with 8 regular starters - so the core should remain . I would be very happy with those 19 as the starting point for building next year London Red

7:56am Tue 25 Feb 14

Robinonfire says...

Hopefully Coopers contract is up very soon.
Hopefully Coopers contract is up very soon. Robinonfire

8:13am Tue 25 Feb 14

London Red says...

Forgot Gladwin is signed up too - so 13 min starting point
Forgot Gladwin is signed up too - so 13 min starting point London Red

8:45am Tue 25 Feb 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Great, I was just about to renew my ST think I may just wait a while now and see where this goes.
Great, I was just about to renew my ST think I may just wait a while now and see where this goes. Is that you Lovesey

8:46am Tue 25 Feb 14

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
We may have 18 out of contract but only really 7 could be classed as first teamers - 3 of them then have extension options!
.
Ranger N'Guessan Troy Branco Smith Barthram and Oakley are the only ones I would keep
.
Ignoring all out of contract players we know we have Wes Belford N.Thompson Byrne Ward Luongo Kasim Harley L.Thompson Tijane M.Smith and Barker signed up - with 8 regular starters - so the core should remain
.
I would be very happy with those 19 as the starting point for building next year
LR, I may be wrong but I thought present number of squad of players was 34, of which 5 are on loan, which is then close to the 18 out of contract plus the number 12 remaining if Gladwin is added to your 11 mentioned

From the remaining 12, I believe if decent offers are made for Wes or Nathan then they will go. Wardy is surely not going to be first choice next season is he? ( Belford is ready to step up and if Wes left, Bedwell would probably be retained as our number 2). Branco, Reis and Barker still have a lot to prove if they were to considered anything more than squad players. On present performance Hartley has to be one of the biggest disappointments from last year arrivals and Gladwin is what he is conference level.

Therefore from the remaining 12, I would say (if Wes and Nat stay) i agree with you we have 8 who could be considered first teamer regulars.

Fodders or Belford
Thompson N
Thompson L
Kasim
Luango
Byrnes
Smith M

Ward, Barker, Reis, Hartley and Gladwin are not good enough to command regular starting spots if we are to have a team capable of challenging next season.

From the out of contract players. not sure we could afford Troy, the rest you mentioned should be worth keeping, but 4 of them dont have 10 appearances between them. Which onlt leave Nile and Dany worth keeping. (both of which futures with us are in doubt)I would add Jay to them, but again he is probably a high earner.

All in all we could just about make a starting 11 plus a bench, So power has a lot of work to do in the summer if we are serious about getting into the championship.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: We may have 18 out of contract but only really 7 could be classed as first teamers - 3 of them then have extension options! . Ranger N'Guessan Troy Branco Smith Barthram and Oakley are the only ones I would keep . Ignoring all out of contract players we know we have Wes Belford N.Thompson Byrne Ward Luongo Kasim Harley L.Thompson Tijane M.Smith and Barker signed up - with 8 regular starters - so the core should remain . I would be very happy with those 19 as the starting point for building next year[/p][/quote]LR, I may be wrong but I thought present number of squad of players was 34, of which 5 are on loan, which is then close to the 18 out of contract plus the number 12 remaining if Gladwin is added to your 11 mentioned From the remaining 12, I believe if decent offers are made for Wes or Nathan then they will go. Wardy is surely not going to be first choice next season is he? ( Belford is ready to step up and if Wes left, Bedwell would probably be retained as our number 2). Branco, Reis and Barker still have a lot to prove if they were to considered anything more than squad players. On present performance Hartley has to be one of the biggest disappointments from last year arrivals and Gladwin is what he is conference level. Therefore from the remaining 12, I would say (if Wes and Nat stay) i agree with you we have 8 who could be considered first teamer regulars. Fodders or Belford Thompson N Thompson L Kasim Luango Byrnes Smith M Ward, Barker, Reis, Hartley and Gladwin are not good enough to command regular starting spots if we are to have a team capable of challenging next season. From the out of contract players. not sure we could afford Troy, the rest you mentioned should be worth keeping, but 4 of them dont have 10 appearances between them. Which onlt leave Nile and Dany worth keeping. (both of which futures with us are in doubt)I would add Jay to them, but again he is probably a high earner. All in all we could just about make a starting 11 plus a bench, So power has a lot of work to do in the summer if we are serious about getting into the championship. old town robin

8:51am Tue 25 Feb 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

18 out of contract and Pritchard, Mason and Hall will return to Spurs and hopefully fingers crossed Reckord will go back to Wolves or another lucky club.

That means 22 players of our squad will potentially not be here.
18 out of contract and Pritchard, Mason and Hall will return to Spurs and hopefully fingers crossed Reckord will go back to Wolves or another lucky club. That means 22 players of our squad will potentially not be here. Is that you Lovesey

8:55am Tue 25 Feb 14

umpcah says...

smirg kcab wrote:
His remarks should be said in the Apollo theatre.
Bring in the skating vicar
SMIRG : Coops has been given a job to do and told how to do it. He`s bound to make statements which are consistent with that !
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: His remarks should be said in the Apollo theatre. Bring in the skating vicar[/p][/quote]SMIRG : Coops has been given a job to do and told how to do it. He`s bound to make statements which are consistent with that ! umpcah

8:55am Tue 25 Feb 14

London Red says...

OTR - bit harsh to judge Tijane on a few 5 minute cameos
.
He has shown flashes of what he can do - I would like to see him given a chance to show it for more than 5 mins
.
With Pritchard out this is the perfect opportunity!
OTR - bit harsh to judge Tijane on a few 5 minute cameos . He has shown flashes of what he can do - I would like to see him given a chance to show it for more than 5 mins . With Pritchard out this is the perfect opportunity! London Red

8:59am Tue 25 Feb 14

London Red says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
18 out of contract and Pritchard, Mason and Hall will return to Spurs and hopefully fingers crossed Reckord will go back to Wolves or another lucky club. That means 22 players of our squad will potentially not be here.
Lets not add in players who have been out all season (Benson Williams, Navarro) into the mix
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We also have youths who some have never been on the bench let alone starting in that number (Ferguson, Waldon, Francis, Jackson and Agmobar)
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losing those lot (and its a lot) will make no difference what so ever!
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: 18 out of contract and Pritchard, Mason and Hall will return to Spurs and hopefully fingers crossed Reckord will go back to Wolves or another lucky club. That means 22 players of our squad will potentially not be here.[/p][/quote]Lets not add in players who have been out all season (Benson Williams, Navarro) into the mix . We also have youths who some have never been on the bench let alone starting in that number (Ferguson, Waldon, Francis, Jackson and Agmobar) . losing those lot (and its a lot) will make no difference what so ever! London Red

9:08am Tue 25 Feb 14

London Red says...

old town robin wrote:
London Red wrote: We may have 18 out of contract but only really 7 could be classed as first teamers - 3 of them then have extension options! . Ranger N'Guessan Troy Branco Smith Barthram and Oakley are the only ones I would keep . Ignoring all out of contract players we know we have Wes Belford N.Thompson Byrne Ward Luongo Kasim Harley L.Thompson Tijane M.Smith and Barker signed up - with 8 regular starters - so the core should remain . I would be very happy with those 19 as the starting point for building next year
LR, I may be wrong but I thought present number of squad of players was 34, of which 5 are on loan, which is then close to the 18 out of contract plus the number 12 remaining if Gladwin is added to your 11 mentioned From the remaining 12, I believe if decent offers are made for Wes or Nathan then they will go. Wardy is surely not going to be first choice next season is he? ( Belford is ready to step up and if Wes left, Bedwell would probably be retained as our number 2). Branco, Reis and Barker still have a lot to prove if they were to considered anything more than squad players. On present performance Hartley has to be one of the biggest disappointments from last year arrivals and Gladwin is what he is conference level. Therefore from the remaining 12, I would say (if Wes and Nat stay) i agree with you we have 8 who could be considered first teamer regulars. Fodders or Belford Thompson N Thompson L Kasim Luango Byrnes Smith M Ward, Barker, Reis, Hartley and Gladwin are not good enough to command regular starting spots if we are to have a team capable of challenging next season. From the out of contract players. not sure we could afford Troy, the rest you mentioned should be worth keeping, but 4 of them dont have 10 appearances between them. Which onlt leave Nile and Dany worth keeping. (both of which futures with us are in doubt)I would add Jay to them, but again he is probably a high earner. All in all we could just about make a starting 11 plus a bench, So power has a lot of work to do in the summer if we are serious about getting into the championship.
We forgot Storey! He signed a new long term deal this year so he too is here next season (and the one after) - so we have 14 signed up
.
Wes had a done deal for £450k last summer to Brentford and then another done deal to Bournemouth for £250k in January - but is still here - so I'm not so sure he is 100% certain out the door
.
Granted Ward should be moving in to coaching more next season but is good to have in reserve
.
Form the players I would keep we should line up as:
.
Wes
N.Thompson Troy Branco A.Smith
Tijane L.Thompson Luongo Byrne
Ranger N'Guessan
.
Bench from Belford, Ward Oakley, Barthram, Kasim, Harley, Galdwin, M.Smith Storey and Barker
.
Doesn't fill me with fear for our future as that is prety much our team now!
.
Plus we will have spare wages (even after a cut) after getting 10 or so off the books to add in a few more to add depth and competition
.
1 CB, 1 DCM and 2 Wingers should be on our shopping list
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: We may have 18 out of contract but only really 7 could be classed as first teamers - 3 of them then have extension options! . Ranger N'Guessan Troy Branco Smith Barthram and Oakley are the only ones I would keep . Ignoring all out of contract players we know we have Wes Belford N.Thompson Byrne Ward Luongo Kasim Harley L.Thompson Tijane M.Smith and Barker signed up - with 8 regular starters - so the core should remain . I would be very happy with those 19 as the starting point for building next year[/p][/quote]LR, I may be wrong but I thought present number of squad of players was 34, of which 5 are on loan, which is then close to the 18 out of contract plus the number 12 remaining if Gladwin is added to your 11 mentioned From the remaining 12, I believe if decent offers are made for Wes or Nathan then they will go. Wardy is surely not going to be first choice next season is he? ( Belford is ready to step up and if Wes left, Bedwell would probably be retained as our number 2). Branco, Reis and Barker still have a lot to prove if they were to considered anything more than squad players. On present performance Hartley has to be one of the biggest disappointments from last year arrivals and Gladwin is what he is conference level. Therefore from the remaining 12, I would say (if Wes and Nat stay) i agree with you we have 8 who could be considered first teamer regulars. Fodders or Belford Thompson N Thompson L Kasim Luango Byrnes Smith M Ward, Barker, Reis, Hartley and Gladwin are not good enough to command regular starting spots if we are to have a team capable of challenging next season. From the out of contract players. not sure we could afford Troy, the rest you mentioned should be worth keeping, but 4 of them dont have 10 appearances between them. Which onlt leave Nile and Dany worth keeping. (both of which futures with us are in doubt)I would add Jay to them, but again he is probably a high earner. All in all we could just about make a starting 11 plus a bench, So power has a lot of work to do in the summer if we are serious about getting into the championship.[/p][/quote]We forgot Storey! He signed a new long term deal this year so he too is here next season (and the one after) - so we have 14 signed up . Wes had a done deal for £450k last summer to Brentford and then another done deal to Bournemouth for £250k in January - but is still here - so I'm not so sure he is 100% certain out the door . Granted Ward should be moving in to coaching more next season but is good to have in reserve . Form the players I would keep we should line up as: . Wes N.Thompson Troy Branco A.Smith Tijane L.Thompson Luongo Byrne Ranger N'Guessan . Bench from Belford, Ward Oakley, Barthram, Kasim, Harley, Galdwin, M.Smith Storey and Barker . Doesn't fill me with fear for our future as that is prety much our team now! . Plus we will have spare wages (even after a cut) after getting 10 or so off the books to add in a few more to add depth and competition . 1 CB, 1 DCM and 2 Wingers should be on our shopping list London Red

9:48am Tue 25 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

Pretty much in agreement with above on who we should keep, but think it will be very different in reality and Power will have a fair bit of work to do.

When Benson, Navarro, Cox and Williams leave, and then Jay and Troy either leave or sign on reduced terms that will surely leave us not far short of where we need to be on the £1.4m from the current £2.3m?

The question then is can the likes of Luongo, Fodders and the Thompsons be persuaded that the future is rosy enough to stay another year? Fodders in particular must be reaching the move on point, although perhaps his star is not quite as bright as it was 12 months ago so there may not be as much Championship interest.

Personally I wouldn't think N'Guessan will be here next season and it would be bold to bank on Ranger being here in April let alone September.

As for the youngsters out of contract well they haven't had a look in so no idea what will happen with them. Presumably the year's pro contract they were given was their opportunity to prove themselves like the Thompson brothers, which none of them have, although some have shown promise on loan at lower levels.
Pretty much in agreement with above on who we should keep, but think it will be very different in reality and Power will have a fair bit of work to do. When Benson, Navarro, Cox and Williams leave, and then Jay and Troy either leave or sign on reduced terms that will surely leave us not far short of where we need to be on the £1.4m from the current £2.3m? The question then is can the likes of Luongo, Fodders and the Thompsons be persuaded that the future is rosy enough to stay another year? Fodders in particular must be reaching the move on point, although perhaps his star is not quite as bright as it was 12 months ago so there may not be as much Championship interest. Personally I wouldn't think N'Guessan will be here next season and it would be bold to bank on Ranger being here in April let alone September. As for the youngsters out of contract well they haven't had a look in so no idea what will happen with them. Presumably the year's pro contract they were given was their opportunity to prove themselves like the Thompson brothers, which none of them have, although some have shown promise on loan at lower levels. Wilesy

10:19am Tue 25 Feb 14

Stilloyal says...

I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.
I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us. Stilloyal

10:23am Tue 25 Feb 14

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
OTR - bit harsh to judge Tijane on a few 5 minute cameos
.
He has shown flashes of what he can do - I would like to see him given a chance to show it for more than 5 mins
.
With Pritchard out this is the perfect opportunity!
LR, What else can we judge him on? He hasn't scored or assisted with a goal, I didn't say he wouldn't prove to be a regular, but IMO at this point of time he is not at the right level to justify selection in front of others.

By the way I think we both forgot to mention Storey, who I believe has a 1 year extension option, he has shown glimpses of what he can do and is more than likely than Dany to still be with us next season.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: OTR - bit harsh to judge Tijane on a few 5 minute cameos . He has shown flashes of what he can do - I would like to see him given a chance to show it for more than 5 mins . With Pritchard out this is the perfect opportunity![/p][/quote]LR, What else can we judge him on? He hasn't scored or assisted with a goal, I didn't say he wouldn't prove to be a regular, but IMO at this point of time he is not at the right level to justify selection in front of others. By the way I think we both forgot to mention Storey, who I believe has a 1 year extension option, he has shown glimpses of what he can do and is more than likely than Dany to still be with us next season. old town robin

10:28am Tue 25 Feb 14

old town robin says...

LR, regarding Storey, hadn't seen your third post before mentioning him.
LR, regarding Storey, hadn't seen your third post before mentioning him. old town robin

10:37am Tue 25 Feb 14

Robinonfire says...

Stilloyal wrote:
I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.
Power will be happy if his innocent..£££s for his Swiss bank account.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.[/p][/quote]Power will be happy if his innocent..£££s for his Swiss bank account. Robinonfire

10:49am Tue 25 Feb 14

old town robin says...

back to tonight's game. Not as bad as it was, selection from what we've got left to pick from. (assuming Louis is fit), nearly picks itself really.

Belford
Thompson N
Archibald
Ward
MsEverley
Thompson L
Luango
Kasim
Byrnes
Smith M
Murphy

Bench : no goalie? (or does Wes fill the quota). Barcham, Smith A, Branco, Hartley, Reis, N'Guissen, Reckford or Gladwin
back to tonight's game. Not as bad as it was, selection from what we've got left to pick from. (assuming Louis is fit), nearly picks itself really. Belford Thompson N Archibald Ward MsEverley Thompson L Luango Kasim Byrnes Smith M Murphy Bench : no goalie? (or does Wes fill the quota). Barcham, Smith A, Branco, Hartley, Reis, N'Guissen, Reckford or Gladwin old town robin

10:50am Tue 25 Feb 14

old town robin says...

old town robin wrote:
back to tonight's game. Not as bad as it was, selection from what we've got left to pick from. (assuming Louis is fit), nearly picks itself really.

Belford
Thompson N
Archibald
Ward
MsEverley
Thompson L
Luango
Kasim
Byrnes
Smith M
Murphy

Bench : no goalie? (or does Wes fill the quota). Barcham, Smith A, Branco, Hartley, Reis, N'Guissen, Reckford or Gladwin
possibly add barker to the bench as our attacking options are very depleted.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: back to tonight's game. Not as bad as it was, selection from what we've got left to pick from. (assuming Louis is fit), nearly picks itself really. Belford Thompson N Archibald Ward MsEverley Thompson L Luango Kasim Byrnes Smith M Murphy Bench : no goalie? (or does Wes fill the quota). Barcham, Smith A, Branco, Hartley, Reis, N'Guissen, Reckford or Gladwin[/p][/quote]possibly add barker to the bench as our attacking options are very depleted. old town robin

10:57am Tue 25 Feb 14

London Red says...

Stilloyal wrote:
I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.
What evidence? - She hasn't been cross examined yet and so far all we have heard is the girl saying she apparently didn't want to have sex with him but can't remember a thing from the night
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.[/p][/quote]What evidence? - She hasn't been cross examined yet and so far all we have heard is the girl saying she apparently didn't want to have sex with him but can't remember a thing from the night London Red

11:05am Tue 25 Feb 14

Fernham Red says...

Now that's a starter for ten:

Will want out: Troy, N'Guessan (Unfortunate but will be offered more money elsewhere)

We need out: Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox, McEveley (wages too high)

Offer new deals to: Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson (1 or 2 years + option for another 1)

Sell: Fodders (500k) Nathan Thompson (500k) Ranger (750k) - sadly we'll take the cash!

Hold on to: Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, M Smith, Barker, Tijane, Storey, Gladwin

Give Player/Coaching role to: Ward
Now that's a starter for ten: Will want out: Troy, N'Guessan (Unfortunate but will be offered more money elsewhere) We need out: Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox, McEveley (wages too high) Offer new deals to: Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson (1 or 2 years + option for another 1) Sell: Fodders (500k) Nathan Thompson (500k) Ranger (750k) - sadly we'll take the cash! Hold on to: Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, M Smith, Barker, Tijane, Storey, Gladwin Give Player/Coaching role to: Ward Fernham Red

11:05am Tue 25 Feb 14

bradley red 1 says...

Get rid of all of them including cooper! not good enough.
Get rid of all of them including cooper! not good enough. bradley red 1

11:18am Tue 25 Feb 14

harley red says...

umpcah wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
His remarks should be said in the Apollo theatre.
Bring in the skating vicar
SMIRG : Coops has been given a job to do and told how to do it. He`s bound to make statements which are consistent with that !
Cooper is one big mistake OFF WITH HIS HEAD
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: His remarks should be said in the Apollo theatre. Bring in the skating vicar[/p][/quote]SMIRG : Coops has been given a job to do and told how to do it. He`s bound to make statements which are consistent with that ![/p][/quote]Cooper is one big mistake OFF WITH HIS HEAD harley red

11:43am Tue 25 Feb 14

GiulianoGrazioli says...

Fernham Red wrote:
Now that's a starter for ten: Will want out: Troy, N'Guessan (Unfortunate but will be offered more money elsewhere) We need out: Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox, McEveley (wages too high) Offer new deals to: Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson (1 or 2 years + option for another 1) Sell: Fodders (500k) Nathan Thompson (500k) Ranger (750k) - sadly we'll take the cash! Hold on to: Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, M Smith, Barker, Tijane, Storey, Gladwin Give Player/Coaching role to: Ward
I'm glad you're not in charge....
[quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: Now that's a starter for ten: Will want out: Troy, N'Guessan (Unfortunate but will be offered more money elsewhere) We need out: Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox, McEveley (wages too high) Offer new deals to: Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson (1 or 2 years + option for another 1) Sell: Fodders (500k) Nathan Thompson (500k) Ranger (750k) - sadly we'll take the cash! Hold on to: Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, M Smith, Barker, Tijane, Storey, Gladwin Give Player/Coaching role to: Ward[/p][/quote]I'm glad you're not in charge.... GiulianoGrazioli

12:42pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

Interesting article from the Wigan Chairman on pricing...£20 tops at Wigan....

http://www.bbc.com/s
port/0/football/2404
6680
Interesting article from the Wigan Chairman on pricing...£20 tops at Wigan.... http://www.bbc.com/s port/0/football/2404 6680 Wilesy

12:58pm Tue 25 Feb 14

swwindon61uk says...

To be honest i can only see Barthram,Troy an Nile being retained,if Nile is still with us of course.
So we could get rid of 15 players and quite a lot money and maybe bring in 7 seven quality players to have a fair squad,most of the above are not in our current first team.
To be honest i can only see Barthram,Troy an Nile being retained,if Nile is still with us of course. So we could get rid of 15 players and quite a lot money and maybe bring in 7 seven quality players to have a fair squad,most of the above are not in our current first team. swwindon61uk

1:11pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Fernham Red says...

GiulianoGrazioli wrote:
Fernham Red wrote:
Now that's a starter for ten: Will want out: Troy, N'Guessan (Unfortunate but will be offered more money elsewhere) We need out: Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox, McEveley (wages too high) Offer new deals to: Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson (1 or 2 years + option for another 1) Sell: Fodders (500k) Nathan Thompson (500k) Ranger (750k) - sadly we'll take the cash! Hold on to: Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, M Smith, Barker, Tijane, Storey, Gladwin Give Player/Coaching role to: Ward
I'm glad you're not in charge....
GG,
I'm not saying what I'd do - I'm saying what I think will happen.
A little bit of realism, that's all.
[quote][p][bold]GiulianoGrazioli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: Now that's a starter for ten: Will want out: Troy, N'Guessan (Unfortunate but will be offered more money elsewhere) We need out: Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox, McEveley (wages too high) Offer new deals to: Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson (1 or 2 years + option for another 1) Sell: Fodders (500k) Nathan Thompson (500k) Ranger (750k) - sadly we'll take the cash! Hold on to: Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, M Smith, Barker, Tijane, Storey, Gladwin Give Player/Coaching role to: Ward[/p][/quote]I'm glad you're not in charge....[/p][/quote]GG, I'm not saying what I'd do - I'm saying what I think will happen. A little bit of realism, that's all. Fernham Red

1:19pm Tue 25 Feb 14

EastleazeRed says...

London Red wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.
What evidence? - She hasn't been cross examined yet and so far all we have heard is the girl saying she apparently didn't want to have sex with him but can't remember a thing from the night
Don't think you will see ranger in a town shirt ever again , if he gets off he'll be off like a shot , don't forget the only reason he signed was cause nobody else would touch him with a barge pole . It's bloody obvious the way he treats the club ( comes and goes as he pleases ) he doesn't wanna be here .
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.[/p][/quote]What evidence? - She hasn't been cross examined yet and so far all we have heard is the girl saying she apparently didn't want to have sex with him but can't remember a thing from the night[/p][/quote]Don't think you will see ranger in a town shirt ever again , if he gets off he'll be off like a shot , don't forget the only reason he signed was cause nobody else would touch him with a barge pole . It's bloody obvious the way he treats the club ( comes and goes as he pleases ) he doesn't wanna be here . EastleazeRed

1:27pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Fernham Red wrote:
Now that's a starter for ten: Will want out: Troy, N'Guessan (Unfortunate but will be offered more money elsewhere) We need out: Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox, McEveley (wages too high) Offer new deals to: Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson (1 or 2 years + option for another 1) Sell: Fodders (500k) Nathan Thompson (500k) Ranger (750k) - sadly we'll take the cash! Hold on to: Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, M Smith, Barker, Tijane, Storey, Gladwin Give Player/Coaching role to: Ward
Why would you offer new deals to them....
[quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: Now that's a starter for ten: Will want out: Troy, N'Guessan (Unfortunate but will be offered more money elsewhere) We need out: Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox, McEveley (wages too high) Offer new deals to: Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson (1 or 2 years + option for another 1) Sell: Fodders (500k) Nathan Thompson (500k) Ranger (750k) - sadly we'll take the cash! Hold on to: Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, M Smith, Barker, Tijane, Storey, Gladwin Give Player/Coaching role to: Ward[/p][/quote]Why would you offer new deals to them.... Is that you Lovesey

1:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

London Red says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
London Red wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.
What evidence? - She hasn't been cross examined yet and so far all we have heard is the girl saying she apparently didn't want to have sex with him but can't remember a thing from the night
Don't think you will see ranger in a town shirt ever again , if he gets off he'll be off like a shot , don't forget the only reason he signed was cause nobody else would touch him with a barge pole . It's bloody obvious the way he treats the club ( comes and goes as he pleases ) he doesn't wanna be here .
We have an option - so if he does get off we can activate it and he has no choice
.
I don't think Ranger treats us any differently than he would anyone else - think that is him and you have to take the rough with the smooth with certain players
.
However, if he is free to play - then his performances are likely to attract interest and it could mean we have a Flintesque situation on our hands
.
But surely then we still win as could have a potentially a decent fee should he move on to sign another forward
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.[/p][/quote]What evidence? - She hasn't been cross examined yet and so far all we have heard is the girl saying she apparently didn't want to have sex with him but can't remember a thing from the night[/p][/quote]Don't think you will see ranger in a town shirt ever again , if he gets off he'll be off like a shot , don't forget the only reason he signed was cause nobody else would touch him with a barge pole . It's bloody obvious the way he treats the club ( comes and goes as he pleases ) he doesn't wanna be here .[/p][/quote]We have an option - so if he does get off we can activate it and he has no choice . I don't think Ranger treats us any differently than he would anyone else - think that is him and you have to take the rough with the smooth with certain players . However, if he is free to play - then his performances are likely to attract interest and it could mean we have a Flintesque situation on our hands . But surely then we still win as could have a potentially a decent fee should he move on to sign another forward London Red

2:36pm Tue 25 Feb 14

jillyh says...

Well what positive news! Agree with the other poster that we should be looking for a five-a-side league. Really having to think long and hard about shelling out nearly £800 for next season. Sorry but just being realistic.
Well what positive news! Agree with the other poster that we should be looking for a five-a-side league. Really having to think long and hard about shelling out nearly £800 for next season. Sorry but just being realistic. jillyh

2:46pm Tue 25 Feb 14

London Red says...

jillyh wrote:
Well what positive news! Agree with the other poster that we should be looking for a five-a-side league. Really having to think long and hard about shelling out nearly £800 for next season. Sorry but just being realistic.
We have this nonsence every single year!
.
It was no different than when PdC took over we had the same "we will struggle to put out a 5 aside team" talk then too - yet went through probably 25 5 aside teams under him!
.
We had it again last year too - yet we have ended up with reportedly the biggest squad in L1!
.
We have 14 signed in and 3 more with options - so that is 17 - normal squad size is 22-25 - so only 5-8 new players - hardly a lot - in fact that is what I would class as a normal turnover every close season
.
Foderingham, Belford, N.Thomspon, Ward, Byrne, L.Thompson, Luongo, Kasim, Gladwin, Tijane, M.Smith, Storey, Barker and Ranger if case goes his way will be here next summer plus A.Smith and Barthram likely to be - that is a great core to build on
.
Why is it impossible for STFC fans to focus on the good things - rather than the pointless thngs like the overdue releaing Benson, Williams, Navarro and Cox and players who are never going to make it like Agmobar!
[quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: Well what positive news! Agree with the other poster that we should be looking for a five-a-side league. Really having to think long and hard about shelling out nearly £800 for next season. Sorry but just being realistic.[/p][/quote]We have this nonsence every single year! . It was no different than when PdC took over we had the same "we will struggle to put out a 5 aside team" talk then too - yet went through probably 25 5 aside teams under him! . We had it again last year too - yet we have ended up with reportedly the biggest squad in L1! . We have 14 signed in and 3 more with options - so that is 17 - normal squad size is 22-25 - so only 5-8 new players - hardly a lot - in fact that is what I would class as a normal turnover every close season . Foderingham, Belford, N.Thomspon, Ward, Byrne, L.Thompson, Luongo, Kasim, Gladwin, Tijane, M.Smith, Storey, Barker and Ranger if case goes his way will be here next summer plus A.Smith and Barthram likely to be - that is a great core to build on . Why is it impossible for STFC fans to focus on the good things - rather than the pointless thngs like the overdue releaing Benson, Williams, Navarro and Cox and players who are never going to make it like Agmobar! London Red

3:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Fernham Red says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Fernham Red wrote:
Now that's a starter for ten: Will want out: Troy, N'Guessan (Unfortunate but will be offered more money elsewhere) We need out: Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox, McEveley (wages too high) Offer new deals to: Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson (1 or 2 years + option for another 1) Sell: Fodders (500k) Nathan Thompson (500k) Ranger (750k) - sadly we'll take the cash! Hold on to: Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, M Smith, Barker, Tijane, Storey, Gladwin Give Player/Coaching role to: Ward
Why would you offer new deals to them....
Lovesy,
1) We can't offer high wages, Dany and Troy are playing well so someone with more cash will come along and take them away.
2) We can't maintain those on high wages, Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox and McEveley will not get what they want from us (or they're due retirement)
3) Our business model is to develop young talent on low wages and then sell on for a profit. Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson . All are under 23, have been brought on for their potential on low wages. All are low financial risk with future prospects - so a good gamble. Half of these players have been on successful loans which signifies they could/should feature in our longer term plans. The others are in/around the current match day squad or have been injured.
4) our business model is to develop talent and sell for a profit. Fodders, Nathan and Nile are all highly marketable, perform when they play and could do a job at a higher level. If we don't get promoted they will be sold. That would be viewed as good business if the money is right. I'd like more (or to keep them) but LP and MC are building a sustainable club primarily and a successful club secondarily.
5) the others are all contracted. With the exception of Ward, here to lead/guide our youngsters and Harley, originally expected to 'drive' our midfield, they all fit our business model as they are 22 or younger. Byrne, Kasim, Louis, Luongo, M Smith, Storey, Barker, Tijane, Gladwin have all been in the team, have talent and will also be sold when they sustain a long run of good form.
We'll need to get used to this business model because a) it's the right thing to do and b) we still have and will continue to have a club free from administration c) this is the only possible foundation from which to build long term success.
I've not yet met a benevolent millionaire and I think it's even less likely that one is going to truck up in Swindon, retire and then pour his ill gotten gains into our beloved club....it's just not going to happen.
MC has done an amazing job this season. The fact is we almost have enough points already to allay any fears of relegation and we have an outside chance of the play-offs. Even if we don't hit sixth, it will quite frankly have been a great success of a season in my eyes - a friendly with Spurs with Bale scoring his last goal in the UK, a cup run ended by a 2-0 loss to the European cup holders, another cup run only penalties away from Wembley, a pretty impressive run of home form, one of the top scoring teams in the league with goals spread across the forwar and midfield, some attractive passing football and above all the development of a team made up of the youngest squad in the top 4 tiers of football, a team I've never been more proud to support. Even without an open wallet we have been able to attract 3 top lads from Spurs table topping premier youth team, and promising youngsters from 3 big clubs (Wolves, Posh, Norwich)
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: Now that's a starter for ten: Will want out: Troy, N'Guessan (Unfortunate but will be offered more money elsewhere) We need out: Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox, McEveley (wages too high) Offer new deals to: Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson (1 or 2 years + option for another 1) Sell: Fodders (500k) Nathan Thompson (500k) Ranger (750k) - sadly we'll take the cash! Hold on to: Byrne, Kasim, Luongo, Harley, M Smith, Barker, Tijane, Storey, Gladwin Give Player/Coaching role to: Ward[/p][/quote]Why would you offer new deals to them....[/p][/quote]Lovesy, 1) We can't offer high wages, Dany and Troy are playing well so someone with more cash will come along and take them away. 2) We can't maintain those on high wages, Williams, Benson, Navarro, Cox and McEveley will not get what they want from us (or they're due retirement) 3) Our business model is to develop young talent on low wages and then sell on for a profit. Belford, Bedwell, A Smith, Barthram, Oakley, Branco, Waldon, Francis, Ferguson, Agombar, Jackson . All are under 23, have been brought on for their potential on low wages. All are low financial risk with future prospects - so a good gamble. Half of these players have been on successful loans which signifies they could/should feature in our longer term plans. The others are in/around the current match day squad or have been injured. 4) our business model is to develop talent and sell for a profit. Fodders, Nathan and Nile are all highly marketable, perform when they play and could do a job at a higher level. If we don't get promoted they will be sold. That would be viewed as good business if the money is right. I'd like more (or to keep them) but LP and MC are building a sustainable club primarily and a successful club secondarily. 5) the others are all contracted. With the exception of Ward, here to lead/guide our youngsters and Harley, originally expected to 'drive' our midfield, they all fit our business model as they are 22 or younger. Byrne, Kasim, Louis, Luongo, M Smith, Storey, Barker, Tijane, Gladwin have all been in the team, have talent and will also be sold when they sustain a long run of good form. We'll need to get used to this business model because a) it's the right thing to do and b) we still have and will continue to have a club free from administration c) this is the only possible foundation from which to build long term success. I've not yet met a benevolent millionaire and I think it's even less likely that one is going to truck up in Swindon, retire and then pour his ill gotten gains into our beloved club....it's just not going to happen. MC has done an amazing job this season. The fact is we almost have enough points already to allay any fears of relegation and we have an outside chance of the play-offs. Even if we don't hit sixth, it will quite frankly have been a great success of a season in my eyes - a friendly with Spurs with Bale scoring his last goal in the UK, a cup run ended by a 2-0 loss to the European cup holders, another cup run only penalties away from Wembley, a pretty impressive run of home form, one of the top scoring teams in the league with goals spread across the forwar and midfield, some attractive passing football and above all the development of a team made up of the youngest squad in the top 4 tiers of football, a team I've never been more proud to support. Even without an open wallet we have been able to attract 3 top lads from Spurs table topping premier youth team, and promising youngsters from 3 big clubs (Wolves, Posh, Norwich) Fernham Red

3:38pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Fernham Red says...

old town robin wrote:
back to tonight's game. Not as bad as it was, selection from what we've got left to pick from. (assuming Louis is fit), nearly picks itself really.

Belford
Thompson N
Archibald
Ward
MsEverley
Thompson L
Luango
Kasim
Byrnes
Smith M
Murphy

Bench : no goalie? (or does Wes fill the quota). Barcham, Smith A, Branco, Hartley, Reis, N'Guissen, Reckford or Gladwin
Would agree with you OTR, though perhaps N'Guessan will push Murphy or Byrne onto the bench if fully fit on work rate alone.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: back to tonight's game. Not as bad as it was, selection from what we've got left to pick from. (assuming Louis is fit), nearly picks itself really. Belford Thompson N Archibald Ward MsEverley Thompson L Luango Kasim Byrnes Smith M Murphy Bench : no goalie? (or does Wes fill the quota). Barcham, Smith A, Branco, Hartley, Reis, N'Guissen, Reckford or Gladwin[/p][/quote]Would agree with you OTR, though perhaps N'Guessan will push Murphy or Byrne onto the bench if fully fit on work rate alone. Fernham Red

3:43pm Tue 25 Feb 14

jayden says...

Think you will find that we will get nothing for Ranger if he goes as the contract he is now on is play and pay this was done because of his no shows.
Think you will find that we will get nothing for Ranger if he goes as the contract he is now on is play and pay this was done because of his no shows. jayden

4:50pm Tue 25 Feb 14

London Red says...

jayden wrote:
Think you will find that we will get nothing for Ranger if he goes as the contract he is now on is play and pay this was done because of his no shows.
That should have nothing to do with it - Transfer fees are about purchasing the registration to allow a player to play
.
We have an option to extend Ranger's contract - so if he is free to play we can activate that and he can NOT play for another club unless we sell that registration
.
What his agreed wages with us or the new team will not effect that registration
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Think you will find that we will get nothing for Ranger if he goes as the contract he is now on is play and pay this was done because of his no shows.[/p][/quote]That should have nothing to do with it - Transfer fees are about purchasing the registration to allow a player to play . We have an option to extend Ranger's contract - so if he is free to play we can activate that and he can NOT play for another club unless we sell that registration . What his agreed wages with us or the new team will not effect that registration London Red

5:17pm Tue 25 Feb 14

jayden says...

London Red wrote:
jayden wrote:
Think you will find that we will get nothing for Ranger if he goes as the contract he is now on is play and pay this was done because of his no shows.
That should have nothing to do with it - Transfer fees are about purchasing the registration to allow a player to play
.
We have an option to extend Ranger's contract - so if he is free to play we can activate that and he can NOT play for another club unless we sell that registration
.
What his agreed wages with us or the new team will not effect that registration
We will see, see you are still struggling with players names though. LOL.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Think you will find that we will get nothing for Ranger if he goes as the contract he is now on is play and pay this was done because of his no shows.[/p][/quote]That should have nothing to do with it - Transfer fees are about purchasing the registration to allow a player to play . We have an option to extend Ranger's contract - so if he is free to play we can activate that and he can NOT play for another club unless we sell that registration . What his agreed wages with us or the new team will not effect that registration[/p][/quote]We will see, see you are still struggling with players names though. LOL. jayden

6:30pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Oxon-Red says...

old town robin wrote:
London Red wrote:
We may have 18 out of contract but only really 7 could be classed as first teamers - 3 of them then have extension options!
.
Ranger N'Guessan Troy Branco Smith Barthram and Oakley are the only ones I would keep
.
Ignoring all out of contract players we know we have Wes Belford N.Thompson Byrne Ward Luongo Kasim Harley L.Thompson Tijane M.Smith and Barker signed up - with 8 regular starters - so the core should remain
.
I would be very happy with those 19 as the starting point for building next year
LR, I may be wrong but I thought present number of squad of players was 34, of which 5 are on loan, which is then close to the 18 out of contract plus the number 12 remaining if Gladwin is added to your 11 mentioned

From the remaining 12, I believe if decent offers are made for Wes or Nathan then they will go. Wardy is surely not going to be first choice next season is he? ( Belford is ready to step up and if Wes left, Bedwell would probably be retained as our number 2). Branco, Reis and Barker still have a lot to prove if they were to considered anything more than squad players. On present performance Hartley has to be one of the biggest disappointments from last year arrivals and Gladwin is what he is conference level.

Therefore from the remaining 12, I would say (if Wes and Nat stay) i agree with you we have 8 who could be considered first teamer regulars.

Fodders or Belford
Thompson N
Thompson L
Kasim
Luango
Byrnes
Smith M

Ward, Barker, Reis, Hartley and Gladwin are not good enough to command regular starting spots if we are to have a team capable of challenging next season.

From the out of contract players. not sure we could afford Troy, the rest you mentioned should be worth keeping, but 4 of them dont have 10 appearances between them. Which onlt leave Nile and Dany worth keeping. (both of which futures with us are in doubt)I would add Jay to them, but again he is probably a high earner.

All in all we could just about make a starting 11 plus a bench, So power has a lot of work to do in the summer if we are serious about getting into the championship.
Thought the Ward offer included coaching badges etc which is why he didn't go to Brentford.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: We may have 18 out of contract but only really 7 could be classed as first teamers - 3 of them then have extension options! . Ranger N'Guessan Troy Branco Smith Barthram and Oakley are the only ones I would keep . Ignoring all out of contract players we know we have Wes Belford N.Thompson Byrne Ward Luongo Kasim Harley L.Thompson Tijane M.Smith and Barker signed up - with 8 regular starters - so the core should remain . I would be very happy with those 19 as the starting point for building next year[/p][/quote]LR, I may be wrong but I thought present number of squad of players was 34, of which 5 are on loan, which is then close to the 18 out of contract plus the number 12 remaining if Gladwin is added to your 11 mentioned From the remaining 12, I believe if decent offers are made for Wes or Nathan then they will go. Wardy is surely not going to be first choice next season is he? ( Belford is ready to step up and if Wes left, Bedwell would probably be retained as our number 2). Branco, Reis and Barker still have a lot to prove if they were to considered anything more than squad players. On present performance Hartley has to be one of the biggest disappointments from last year arrivals and Gladwin is what he is conference level. Therefore from the remaining 12, I would say (if Wes and Nat stay) i agree with you we have 8 who could be considered first teamer regulars. Fodders or Belford Thompson N Thompson L Kasim Luango Byrnes Smith M Ward, Barker, Reis, Hartley and Gladwin are not good enough to command regular starting spots if we are to have a team capable of challenging next season. From the out of contract players. not sure we could afford Troy, the rest you mentioned should be worth keeping, but 4 of them dont have 10 appearances between them. Which onlt leave Nile and Dany worth keeping. (both of which futures with us are in doubt)I would add Jay to them, but again he is probably a high earner. All in all we could just about make a starting 11 plus a bench, So power has a lot of work to do in the summer if we are serious about getting into the championship.[/p][/quote]Thought the Ward offer included coaching badges etc which is why he didn't go to Brentford. COYMR Oxon-Red

6:34pm Tue 25 Feb 14

dazzastfc says...

London Red wrote:
Stilloyal wrote:
I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.
What evidence? - She hasn't been cross examined yet and so far all we have heard is the girl saying she apparently didn't want to have sex with him but can't remember a thing from the night
Video evidence of her falling out of the car...12 mouths of pestering texs and months of stalking...and thats just the first day
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.[/p][/quote]What evidence? - She hasn't been cross examined yet and so far all we have heard is the girl saying she apparently didn't want to have sex with him but can't remember a thing from the night[/p][/quote]Video evidence of her falling out of the car...12 mouths of pestering texs and months of stalking...and thats just the first day dazzastfc

6:36pm Tue 25 Feb 14

old town robin says...

Fernham Red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
back to tonight's game. Not as bad as it was, selection from what we've got left to pick from. (assuming Louis is fit), nearly picks itself really.

Belford
Thompson N
Archibald
Ward
MsEverley
Thompson L
Luango
Kasim
Byrnes
Smith M
Murphy

Bench : no goalie? (or does Wes fill the quota). Barcham, Smith A, Branco, Hartley, Reis, N'Guissen, Reckford or Gladwin
Would agree with you OTR, though perhaps N'Guessan will push Murphy or Byrne onto the bench if fully fit on work rate alone.
Good call, i was just wondering about his fitness
[quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: back to tonight's game. Not as bad as it was, selection from what we've got left to pick from. (assuming Louis is fit), nearly picks itself really. Belford Thompson N Archibald Ward MsEverley Thompson L Luango Kasim Byrnes Smith M Murphy Bench : no goalie? (or does Wes fill the quota). Barcham, Smith A, Branco, Hartley, Reis, N'Guissen, Reckford or Gladwin[/p][/quote]Would agree with you OTR, though perhaps N'Guessan will push Murphy or Byrne onto the bench if fully fit on work rate alone.[/p][/quote]Good call, i was just wondering about his fitness old town robin

10:39pm Tue 25 Feb 14

leader1111 says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
18 out of contract and Pritchard, Mason and Hall will return to Spurs and hopefully fingers crossed Reckord will go back to Wolves or another lucky club.

That means 22 players of our squad will potentially not be here.
Will the last one out please turn out the lights.
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: 18 out of contract and Pritchard, Mason and Hall will return to Spurs and hopefully fingers crossed Reckord will go back to Wolves or another lucky club. That means 22 players of our squad will potentially not be here.[/p][/quote]Will the last one out please turn out the lights. leader1111

9:09am Wed 26 Feb 14

London Red says...

dazzastfc wrote:
London Red wrote:
Stilloyal wrote: I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.
What evidence? - She hasn't been cross examined yet and so far all we have heard is the girl saying she apparently didn't want to have sex with him but can't remember a thing from the night
Video evidence of her falling out of the car...12 mouths of pestering texs and months of stalking...and thats just the first day
If the prosecution can not make it seem possible with their opening speal - then there really is no point in being in court at all!
.
Being drunk doesn't automatically equal rape - if it did there would be rape every weekend! (Not saying it can't happen)
.
Also as to months of texting and being stalked - then why the hell was she responding and then meeting up with him regularly - if anything that is probably more likley to aid his case than hinder it
.
As the his lawyer said - why did you keep responding and just ignore them?
.
Also why send an apology about your behaviour text the day AFTER if you had just been raped twice?
.
Shall see what comes out today - but currently can see why his counsel feel he will be found not guilty - there is nothing yet I can see to say BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT - that he raped her
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: I think we can forget Ranger, the evidence against isn't so good a the moment . I do hope he IS innocent and he resumes his career with us.[/p][/quote]What evidence? - She hasn't been cross examined yet and so far all we have heard is the girl saying she apparently didn't want to have sex with him but can't remember a thing from the night[/p][/quote]Video evidence of her falling out of the car...12 mouths of pestering texs and months of stalking...and thats just the first day[/p][/quote]If the prosecution can not make it seem possible with their opening speal - then there really is no point in being in court at all! . Being drunk doesn't automatically equal rape - if it did there would be rape every weekend! (Not saying it can't happen) . Also as to months of texting and being stalked - then why the hell was she responding and then meeting up with him regularly - if anything that is probably more likley to aid his case than hinder it . As the his lawyer said - why did you keep responding and just ignore them? . Also why send an apology about your behaviour text the day AFTER if you had just been raped twice? . Shall see what comes out today - but currently can see why his counsel feel he will be found not guilty - there is nothing yet I can see to say BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT - that he raped her London Red

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