Cooper looking to follow the Seagulls way for his Swindon young guns

Mark Cooper

Mark Cooper

First published in Sport Swindon Advertiser: Photograph of the Author by , Sports reporter

TOWN boss Mark Cooper has described tonight’s visitors Brighton and Hove Albion as a ‘blueprint’ for what Swindon Town are trying to achieve.

After Tony Bloom’s takeover and the appointment of Gus Poyet in 2009 the Seagulls went through a dramatic overhaul both on and off the pitch.

The Uruguayan instilled a possesion-based style of play and led Brighton into the Championship in his first full season in charge.

Despite Poyet’s departure, succeeding managers Oscar Garcia and now Sami Hyypia have continued to play in the same way and that brand of passing football has become part of the club’s identity.

Little wonder then that Cooper sees plenty of similarities between the two sides, albeit with Brighton further down the line and with a bigger revenue stream.

“Brighton are a blueprint for teams like us,” he said. “They have gone down a similar path, they are couple of years in front of us, they play some lovely football.

“It will be great, I’m looking forward to seeing them play, hopefully it will be a good evening, a good game of football.

“I think they’ve changed their managers but we won’t think they’ve changed their style for one moment. We’re under no illusions that when you play a team in a higher division and a big club like Brighton, they have good players.

“We won’t be able to take any liberties or be sloppy for any moment. For us to be able to have a chance we have to be right at it and be at the top of our game to get anything.”

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7:56am Tue 26 Aug 14

port de soller says...

Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so.
This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end.
Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not.
Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it.
Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan.
At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available.
Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes.
Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players
Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players port de soller
  • Score: 0

8:36am Tue 26 Aug 14

South Stand says...

port de soller wrote:
Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so.
This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end.
Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not.
Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it.
Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan.
At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available.
Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes.
Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players
Methinks too much beer again.
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players[/p][/quote]Methinks too much beer again. South Stand
  • Score: 3

9:39am Tue 26 Aug 14

redbythesea says...

port de soller wrote:
Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so.
This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end.
Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not.
Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it.
Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan.
At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available.
Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes.
Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players
Maybe, just maybe, it's because youth players give us a level of commitment (and no shortage of skill), that we just wouldn't get from more expensive old journeymen pros.
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players[/p][/quote]Maybe, just maybe, it's because youth players give us a level of commitment (and no shortage of skill), that we just wouldn't get from more expensive old journeymen pros. redbythesea
  • Score: 4

10:24am Tue 26 Aug 14

Swindon1984 says...

port de soller wrote:
Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players
Not sure I even know how to begin responding to that. First point would have to be that none of the current board members/owners/playe
rs/managers were here fifty odd years ago, so they can only speak for now and what they intend to do.

Council involvement or lack thereof can't be blamed on those at the club, at least not entirely.

"...teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok." Depends what you mean by ok - only three teams can go up in any given season. The majority of teams doing "ok" would by that logic be somewhere between relgation and promotion i.e. somewhere mid table. We get higher gates than many, and finished above quite a few last year. No-one ahead of us had lower gates. In terms of league position against average attendance, if you're trying to make a correlation between the two, we've recently been finishing exactly where we ought to.

Where is the money going? We'd been operating at a loss, and probably still are. Power's trying to reduce the deficit, and seems to have done so whilst still maintaining as good a position in league terms that the previous regime had (better you could argue, as although we missed out on the play offs last season, we went down under Wilson).

"At a total loss as to what is going on at our club." We're doing alright with a limited budget is what's going on, and trying to live within our means so that the club remains a viable business concern for years to come, rather than mortaging our future for the possibility of short term gains - hence building a team with young players rather than bringing in a bunch of has beens (e.g. Scunthorpe - much good it seems to be doing them).

To be honest you seem to have answered your own question in what you've written above, acknowledging that Power's put money in whilst he doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash, and Cooper's doing the best he can in terms of getting in young players and grinding out results. This is more or less our natural level and has been for years - we're not a big club. Unless somone comes in with pots of cash, buys us a new stadium and team, and markets us at armchair fans in other towns in order to fill the ground (like Reading - and who wants to be like those ****ers...) then this is Swindon Town Football Club. Enjoy it, I know I do.
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players[/p][/quote]Not sure I even know how to begin responding to that. First point would have to be that none of the current board members/owners/playe rs/managers were here fifty odd years ago, so they can only speak for now and what they intend to do. Council involvement or lack thereof can't be blamed on those at the club, at least not entirely. "...teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok." Depends what you mean by ok - only three teams can go up in any given season. The majority of teams doing "ok" would by that logic be somewhere between relgation and promotion i.e. somewhere mid table. We get higher gates than many, and finished above quite a few last year. No-one ahead of us had lower gates. In terms of league position against average attendance, if you're trying to make a correlation between the two, we've recently been finishing exactly where we ought to. Where is the money going? We'd been operating at a loss, and probably still are. Power's trying to reduce the deficit, and seems to have done so whilst still maintaining as good a position in league terms that the previous regime had (better you could argue, as although we missed out on the play offs last season, we went down under Wilson). "At a total loss as to what is going on at our club." We're doing alright with a limited budget is what's going on, and trying to live within our means so that the club remains a viable business concern for years to come, rather than mortaging our future for the possibility of short term gains - hence building a team with young players rather than bringing in a bunch of has beens (e.g. Scunthorpe - much good it seems to be doing them). To be honest you seem to have answered your own question in what you've written above, acknowledging that Power's put money in whilst he doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash, and Cooper's doing the best he can in terms of getting in young players and grinding out results. This is more or less our natural level and has been for years - we're not a big club. Unless somone comes in with pots of cash, buys us a new stadium and team, and markets us at armchair fans in other towns in order to fill the ground (like Reading - and who wants to be like those ****ers...) then this is Swindon Town Football Club. Enjoy it, I know I do. Swindon1984
  • Score: 31

10:46am Tue 26 Aug 14

6degreessouth says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
port de soller wrote:
Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players
Not sure I even know how to begin responding to that. First point would have to be that none of the current board members/owners/playe

rs/managers were here fifty odd years ago, so they can only speak for now and what they intend to do.

Council involvement or lack thereof can't be blamed on those at the club, at least not entirely.

"...teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok." Depends what you mean by ok - only three teams can go up in any given season. The majority of teams doing "ok" would by that logic be somewhere between relgation and promotion i.e. somewhere mid table. We get higher gates than many, and finished above quite a few last year. No-one ahead of us had lower gates. In terms of league position against average attendance, if you're trying to make a correlation between the two, we've recently been finishing exactly where we ought to.

Where is the money going? We'd been operating at a loss, and probably still are. Power's trying to reduce the deficit, and seems to have done so whilst still maintaining as good a position in league terms that the previous regime had (better you could argue, as although we missed out on the play offs last season, we went down under Wilson).

"At a total loss as to what is going on at our club." We're doing alright with a limited budget is what's going on, and trying to live within our means so that the club remains a viable business concern for years to come, rather than mortaging our future for the possibility of short term gains - hence building a team with young players rather than bringing in a bunch of has beens (e.g. Scunthorpe - much good it seems to be doing them).

To be honest you seem to have answered your own question in what you've written above, acknowledging that Power's put money in whilst he doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash, and Cooper's doing the best he can in terms of getting in young players and grinding out results. This is more or less our natural level and has been for years - we're not a big club. Unless somone comes in with pots of cash, buys us a new stadium and team, and markets us at armchair fans in other towns in order to fill the ground (like Reading - and who wants to be like those ****ers...) then this is Swindon Town Football Club. Enjoy it, I know I do.
Spot on 1984, it's just how I see it.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players[/p][/quote]Not sure I even know how to begin responding to that. First point would have to be that none of the current board members/owners/playe rs/managers were here fifty odd years ago, so they can only speak for now and what they intend to do. Council involvement or lack thereof can't be blamed on those at the club, at least not entirely. "...teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok." Depends what you mean by ok - only three teams can go up in any given season. The majority of teams doing "ok" would by that logic be somewhere between relgation and promotion i.e. somewhere mid table. We get higher gates than many, and finished above quite a few last year. No-one ahead of us had lower gates. In terms of league position against average attendance, if you're trying to make a correlation between the two, we've recently been finishing exactly where we ought to. Where is the money going? We'd been operating at a loss, and probably still are. Power's trying to reduce the deficit, and seems to have done so whilst still maintaining as good a position in league terms that the previous regime had (better you could argue, as although we missed out on the play offs last season, we went down under Wilson). "At a total loss as to what is going on at our club." We're doing alright with a limited budget is what's going on, and trying to live within our means so that the club remains a viable business concern for years to come, rather than mortaging our future for the possibility of short term gains - hence building a team with young players rather than bringing in a bunch of has beens (e.g. Scunthorpe - much good it seems to be doing them). To be honest you seem to have answered your own question in what you've written above, acknowledging that Power's put money in whilst he doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash, and Cooper's doing the best he can in terms of getting in young players and grinding out results. This is more or less our natural level and has been for years - we're not a big club. Unless somone comes in with pots of cash, buys us a new stadium and team, and markets us at armchair fans in other towns in order to fill the ground (like Reading - and who wants to be like those ****ers...) then this is Swindon Town Football Club. Enjoy it, I know I do.[/p][/quote]Spot on 1984, it's just how I see it. 6degreessouth
  • Score: 5

11:03am Tue 26 Aug 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

I absolutely love it...... I can't wait for tonight's game. Under lights always a better atmosphere, slick pitch because of the rain, Brighton under estimate us at their peril.

For any of you partial to the odd wager can I recommend signing up to skybet's transfer fund. You've an outside chance of winning yourself five grand in a draw but also a chance of winning the club £250,000 to spend on a transfer. Now obviously the chances are remote but someones got to win it and if you are betting may as be with them as with anyone else. (To be fair they are pretty poor compilers as well so odds normally generous - not that it helps me much)!
I absolutely love it...... I can't wait for tonight's game. Under lights always a better atmosphere, slick pitch because of the rain, Brighton under estimate us at their peril. For any of you partial to the odd wager can I recommend signing up to skybet's transfer fund. You've an outside chance of winning yourself five grand in a draw but also a chance of winning the club £250,000 to spend on a transfer. Now obviously the chances are remote but someones got to win it and if you are betting may as be with them as with anyone else. (To be fair they are pretty poor compilers as well so odds normally generous - not that it helps me much)! dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 1

11:05am Tue 26 Aug 14

the wizard says...

There is a lot to pick out here, too much maybe, but Poyet was key and he set the club up for success. He is one of the very few who I would pick to succeed the England manager Hodgeson. Young ish, vibrant, focused and has a good track record of inspiring the best out of his players.

As goes, where did the money go, it's quite simple, when you are spending your money as opposed to company money you think several times before parting with it, as it is your problem to make it last, not somebody else's headache. Most managers in any job will always spend their budget, but if its your own money, you spend as little as prudently as you can. The result being, when you want or need that bit extra, you have it.

To beat or squeeze a draw against these guys would be brilliant, and irrelevant of the final score line, I hope we acquit ourselves well as I feel we are capable of giving them a game and sending our supporters home satisfied with a good performance. The defence needs to be properly focused more than in any of our games this far and I would always leave at least three in our half at all times, two deep and one in front. Good luck Town.
There is a lot to pick out here, too much maybe, but Poyet was key and he set the club up for success. He is one of the very few who I would pick to succeed the England manager Hodgeson. Young ish, vibrant, focused and has a good track record of inspiring the best out of his players. As goes, where did the money go, it's quite simple, when you are spending your money as opposed to company money you think several times before parting with it, as it is your problem to make it last, not somebody else's headache. Most managers in any job will always spend their budget, but if its your own money, you spend as little as prudently as you can. The result being, when you want or need that bit extra, you have it. To beat or squeeze a draw against these guys would be brilliant, and irrelevant of the final score line, I hope we acquit ourselves well as I feel we are capable of giving them a game and sending our supporters home satisfied with a good performance. The defence needs to be properly focused more than in any of our games this far and I would always leave at least three in our half at all times, two deep and one in front. Good luck Town. the wizard
  • Score: 2

11:34am Tue 26 Aug 14

Mchalethegreat says...

Hoping for a good game tonight and a good performance regardless of the final score. Re budgets I have read the book by Simon Jordan which gives an insight into being a chairman and how this can sometimes be abused by managers. I think if PDC hadnt wasted so much on dead end players and spent Blacks money like water he might still have been here. Jordan invsted 30M of his own money and nearly went bankrupt as a result so you can understand Lee Power being cautious. Re Saturday's game whilst not particularly entertaining (10 behind the ball) I can remember previous games against teams using those tactics (Bury, Hartlepool) where we actually go suckered on the break and lost. I enjoyed reading the Adver report yesterday giving Dany N'Guessan 6 out of 10!! Personally I also really dont get how Brad Smith scored 7 and Byrhe 6. To be honest I thought Smiths crossing was really poor. Hoping Mass will be back tonight to provide some creativity...COYR...
Hoping for a good game tonight and a good performance regardless of the final score. Re budgets I have read the book by Simon Jordan which gives an insight into being a chairman and how this can sometimes be abused by managers. I think if PDC hadnt wasted so much on dead end players and spent Blacks money like water he might still have been here. Jordan invsted 30M of his own money and nearly went bankrupt as a result so you can understand Lee Power being cautious. Re Saturday's game whilst not particularly entertaining (10 behind the ball) I can remember previous games against teams using those tactics (Bury, Hartlepool) where we actually go suckered on the break and lost. I enjoyed reading the Adver report yesterday giving Dany N'Guessan 6 out of 10!! Personally I also really dont get how Brad Smith scored 7 and Byrhe 6. To be honest I thought Smiths crossing was really poor. Hoping Mass will be back tonight to provide some creativity...COYR... Mchalethegreat
  • Score: -2

12:23pm Tue 26 Aug 14

castle9 says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
port de soller wrote:
Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players
Not sure I even know how to begin responding to that. First point would have to be that none of the current board members/owners/playe

rs/managers were here fifty odd years ago, so they can only speak for now and what they intend to do.

Council involvement or lack thereof can't be blamed on those at the club, at least not entirely.

"...teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok." Depends what you mean by ok - only three teams can go up in any given season. The majority of teams doing "ok" would by that logic be somewhere between relgation and promotion i.e. somewhere mid table. We get higher gates than many, and finished above quite a few last year. No-one ahead of us had lower gates. In terms of league position against average attendance, if you're trying to make a correlation between the two, we've recently been finishing exactly where we ought to.

Where is the money going? We'd been operating at a loss, and probably still are. Power's trying to reduce the deficit, and seems to have done so whilst still maintaining as good a position in league terms that the previous regime had (better you could argue, as although we missed out on the play offs last season, we went down under Wilson).

"At a total loss as to what is going on at our club." We're doing alright with a limited budget is what's going on, and trying to live within our means so that the club remains a viable business concern for years to come, rather than mortaging our future for the possibility of short term gains - hence building a team with young players rather than bringing in a bunch of has beens (e.g. Scunthorpe - much good it seems to be doing them).

To be honest you seem to have answered your own question in what you've written above, acknowledging that Power's put money in whilst he doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash, and Cooper's doing the best he can in terms of getting in young players and grinding out results. This is more or less our natural level and has been for years - we're not a big club. Unless somone comes in with pots of cash, buys us a new stadium and team, and markets us at armchair fans in other towns in order to fill the ground (like Reading - and who wants to be like those ****ers...) then this is Swindon Town Football Club. Enjoy it, I know I do.
Exactly. Very well put..
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players[/p][/quote]Not sure I even know how to begin responding to that. First point would have to be that none of the current board members/owners/playe rs/managers were here fifty odd years ago, so they can only speak for now and what they intend to do. Council involvement or lack thereof can't be blamed on those at the club, at least not entirely. "...teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok." Depends what you mean by ok - only three teams can go up in any given season. The majority of teams doing "ok" would by that logic be somewhere between relgation and promotion i.e. somewhere mid table. We get higher gates than many, and finished above quite a few last year. No-one ahead of us had lower gates. In terms of league position against average attendance, if you're trying to make a correlation between the two, we've recently been finishing exactly where we ought to. Where is the money going? We'd been operating at a loss, and probably still are. Power's trying to reduce the deficit, and seems to have done so whilst still maintaining as good a position in league terms that the previous regime had (better you could argue, as although we missed out on the play offs last season, we went down under Wilson). "At a total loss as to what is going on at our club." We're doing alright with a limited budget is what's going on, and trying to live within our means so that the club remains a viable business concern for years to come, rather than mortaging our future for the possibility of short term gains - hence building a team with young players rather than bringing in a bunch of has beens (e.g. Scunthorpe - much good it seems to be doing them). To be honest you seem to have answered your own question in what you've written above, acknowledging that Power's put money in whilst he doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash, and Cooper's doing the best he can in terms of getting in young players and grinding out results. This is more or less our natural level and has been for years - we're not a big club. Unless somone comes in with pots of cash, buys us a new stadium and team, and markets us at armchair fans in other towns in order to fill the ground (like Reading - and who wants to be like those ****ers...) then this is Swindon Town Football Club. Enjoy it, I know I do.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Very well put.. castle9
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Tue 26 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

port de soller wrote:
Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so.
This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end.
Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not.
Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it.
Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan.
At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available.
Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes.
Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players
I think a lot of people are asking the same question....
Attendance last game 6.500 ..Dont think it will get much lower than that.
So if you average that out over a season at £19 per person thats round about £2.214 on gates per season plus + ons sponsors and other incomes...

We have a budget of £1.8..
That gives us say £500,000 to pay staff..
If im way off then sorry
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players[/p][/quote]I think a lot of people are asking the same question.... Attendance last game 6.500 ..Dont think it will get much lower than that. So if you average that out over a season at £19 per person thats round about £2.214 on gates per season plus + ons sponsors and other incomes... We have a budget of £1.8.. That gives us say £500,000 to pay staff.. If im way off then sorry dazzastfc
  • Score: -2

12:53pm Tue 26 Aug 14

The Jockster says...

Apparently Oxford United have become the first team to qualify to appear on a TV qui show. The name? Why "Pointless" of course!
Apparently Oxford United have become the first team to qualify to appear on a TV qui show. The name? Why "Pointless" of course! The Jockster
  • Score: 0

1:08pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Any news on incoming players?

Whilst we are getting away with it at the moment once suspensions, injuries, fatigue kick in we will be in dire straits unless new faces arrive soon.

Also the current excellent performance levels of the first teamers may drop as they are under no pressure for a place, and due to lack of numbers can't get injured they have to keep going.

Don't get me wrong I'm the first to hope the 16 year olds shine when they get their opportunity, but from Coopers comments he's (rightly) not enamoured to have a whole bench of them.

I would include Harley and Ward on the bench for the time being. Surely Harley can do a job as a back up central midfielder? Without being disrespectful Ward would probably struggle with the current high line tactics but if he had to come on for whatever reason just play a bit deeper.
Any news on incoming players? Whilst we are getting away with it at the moment once suspensions, injuries, fatigue kick in we will be in dire straits unless new faces arrive soon. Also the current excellent performance levels of the first teamers may drop as they are under no pressure for a place, and due to lack of numbers can't get injured they have to keep going. Don't get me wrong I'm the first to hope the 16 year olds shine when they get their opportunity, but from Coopers comments he's (rightly) not enamoured to have a whole bench of them. I would include Harley and Ward on the bench for the time being. Surely Harley can do a job as a back up central midfielder? Without being disrespectful Ward would probably struggle with the current high line tactics but if he had to come on for whatever reason just play a bit deeper. Wilesy
  • Score: -1

1:20pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning. Wilesy
  • Score: -5

2:08pm Tue 26 Aug 14

redbythesea says...

Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties.
No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties. No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake. redbythesea
  • Score: 5

2:11pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Could also be 3 home games in 7 days - a lot to shell out in such a short space of time , also many still on hols , plus the fact that with the price increases , many are holding back to see how things pan out before commiting.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Could also be 3 home games in 7 days - a lot to shell out in such a short space of time , also many still on hols , plus the fact that with the price increases , many are holding back to see how things pan out before commiting. lifelong red
  • Score: 1

2:19pm Tue 26 Aug 14

smirg kcab says...

redbythesea wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties.
No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.
Lol good one, people reading your post would think we are better than man city.
Won't go because of posts? Give it a rest, it's two reasons why fans won't go
1- the tug of war crap between power and Jed ( which was the biggest embarrassment this club has had)
2- the fans have always been shiit on
Through the decades.
You could also say the cost ( but I'm not lol)
[quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties. No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.[/p][/quote]Lol good one, people reading your post would think we are better than man city. Won't go because of posts? Give it a rest, it's two reasons why fans won't go 1- the tug of war crap between power and Jed ( which was the biggest embarrassment this club has had) 2- the fans have always been shiit on Through the decades. You could also say the cost ( but I'm not lol) smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

2:55pm Tue 26 Aug 14

redbythesea says...

smirg kcab wrote:
redbythesea wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties.
No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.
Lol good one, people reading your post would think we are better than man city.
Won't go because of posts? Give it a rest, it's two reasons why fans won't go
1- the tug of war crap between power and Jed ( which was the biggest embarrassment this club has had)
2- the fans have always been shiit on
Through the decades.
You could also say the cost ( but I'm not lol)
Good old Smirg, and to think, It was only just the other day that I was defending you :-)
Agreed that the fans have often not been given the best treatment over the years, but think that is pretty standard throughout football. There's also a big difference between seeing some of the best football I've seen at the County Ground, and saying we're better than Man City, as anyone with a modicom of common sense would realise.
Not suggesting of course that you have no common sense, rather just that your liking for a bit of devilment and a good old fashioned wind up sometimes disguises it well. Also, the dispute is now over, and as people almost universally seemed to want Power to win the battle, they now have their wish, so should no longer be using that as an excuse.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties. No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.[/p][/quote]Lol good one, people reading your post would think we are better than man city. Won't go because of posts? Give it a rest, it's two reasons why fans won't go 1- the tug of war crap between power and Jed ( which was the biggest embarrassment this club has had) 2- the fans have always been shiit on Through the decades. You could also say the cost ( but I'm not lol)[/p][/quote]Good old Smirg, and to think, It was only just the other day that I was defending you :-) Agreed that the fans have often not been given the best treatment over the years, but think that is pretty standard throughout football. There's also a big difference between seeing some of the best football I've seen at the County Ground, and saying we're better than Man City, as anyone with a modicom of common sense would realise. Not suggesting of course that you have no common sense, rather just that your liking for a bit of devilment and a good old fashioned wind up sometimes disguises it well. Also, the dispute is now over, and as people almost universally seemed to want Power to win the battle, they now have their wish, so should no longer be using that as an excuse. redbythesea
  • Score: 2

2:58pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

redbythesea wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties.
No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.
Meanwhile back in 2014....

I agree we are playing great stuff at the moment....but we weren't last season hence the comment.

You believe over 1000 people are boycotting due to reading this forum? Come back come back the footballs great!!! There you go problem solved!
[quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties. No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.[/p][/quote]Meanwhile back in 2014.... I agree we are playing great stuff at the moment....but we weren't last season hence the comment. You believe over 1000 people are boycotting due to reading this forum? Come back come back the footballs great!!! There you go problem solved! Wilesy
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

lifelong red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Could also be 3 home games in 7 days - a lot to shell out in such a short space of time , also many still on hols , plus the fact that with the price increases , many are holding back to see how things pan out before commiting.
Yes good point on the 3 in a week....
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Could also be 3 home games in 7 days - a lot to shell out in such a short space of time , also many still on hols , plus the fact that with the price increases , many are holding back to see how things pan out before commiting.[/p][/quote]Yes good point on the 3 in a week.... Wilesy
  • Score: 0

3:08pm Tue 26 Aug 14

redbythesea says...

Wilesy wrote:
redbythesea wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties.
No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.
Meanwhile back in 2014....

I agree we are playing great stuff at the moment....but we weren't last season hence the comment.

You believe over 1000 people are boycotting due to reading this forum? Come back come back the footballs great!!! There you go problem solved!
No, but then I don't believe either that it's the lack of exciting signings, or the cost increase.
The negativity is more, as Grim eluded to, a disenchantment with the ownership of the club, and once the rot sets in, it's quite difficult to reverse. For sure, big name signings might bring people through the gates initially, but they are not necessarily good for the long term good of the club.
And as for your supercilious comments at the end of your post by your stating how great the football is now, they would only be effective if you had the credibility to successfully foster influence.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties. No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.[/p][/quote]Meanwhile back in 2014.... I agree we are playing great stuff at the moment....but we weren't last season hence the comment. You believe over 1000 people are boycotting due to reading this forum? Come back come back the footballs great!!! There you go problem solved![/p][/quote]No, but then I don't believe either that it's the lack of exciting signings, or the cost increase. The negativity is more, as Grim eluded to, a disenchantment with the ownership of the club, and once the rot sets in, it's quite difficult to reverse. For sure, big name signings might bring people through the gates initially, but they are not necessarily good for the long term good of the club. And as for your supercilious comments at the end of your post by your stating how great the football is now, they would only be effective if you had the credibility to successfully foster influence. redbythesea
  • Score: 0

3:09pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lifelong red says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
port de soller wrote:
Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players
Not sure I even know how to begin responding to that. First point would have to be that none of the current board members/owners/playe

rs/managers were here fifty odd years ago, so they can only speak for now and what they intend to do.

Council involvement or lack thereof can't be blamed on those at the club, at least not entirely.

"...teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok." Depends what you mean by ok - only three teams can go up in any given season. The majority of teams doing "ok" would by that logic be somewhere between relgation and promotion i.e. somewhere mid table. We get higher gates than many, and finished above quite a few last year. No-one ahead of us had lower gates. In terms of league position against average attendance, if you're trying to make a correlation between the two, we've recently been finishing exactly where we ought to.

Where is the money going? We'd been operating at a loss, and probably still are. Power's trying to reduce the deficit, and seems to have done so whilst still maintaining as good a position in league terms that the previous regime had (better you could argue, as although we missed out on the play offs last season, we went down under Wilson).

"At a total loss as to what is going on at our club." We're doing alright with a limited budget is what's going on, and trying to live within our means so that the club remains a viable business concern for years to come, rather than mortaging our future for the possibility of short term gains - hence building a team with young players rather than bringing in a bunch of has beens (e.g. Scunthorpe - much good it seems to be doing them).

To be honest you seem to have answered your own question in what you've written above, acknowledging that Power's put money in whilst he doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash, and Cooper's doing the best he can in terms of getting in young players and grinding out results. This is more or less our natural level and has been for years - we're not a big club. Unless somone comes in with pots of cash, buys us a new stadium and team, and markets us at armchair fans in other towns in order to fill the ground (like Reading - and who wants to be like those ****ers...) then this is Swindon Town Football Club. Enjoy it, I know I do.
Very good posts , and puts in to perspective , where the club stands and what they are trying to achieve long term in a effort to ensure we have a club to support in the future.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Sounds great only problem is STFC has change little since 1961. OK has had investors/good and bad.Some great teams however never quite undestood wht the Council never built a Stadium or worked with STFC to do so. This last season and this with cuts made to budget Mid table would be great a decent cup run also would help the coffers no end. Yet for some reason the Town never gets the rub of the green????? yes why not. Gateas have allways been reasonable and teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok.Yet us for some reason even with AB¨s money and a mega rich Board just seem to fluff it. Coopers talk above is fine and to be honest with what he has he is doing OK.LP has put money in but he aint no endless pit.Again budget slashed again this season,wages mus be down/players we get in are youth loanees,so where is the money going,are they mass hidden debts we have not been told about???For me all of it just not add up, most clubs ok cannoy buy players but get them on loan. At a total loss as to what is going on at our club.MC as said is doing ok on the pitch with what he has available. Posters this aint doom and glook is sincere deep concern as I fear the worse sometimes. Fo not care if this gets a -50 rating but it is time we know why all we can bring in is youth players[/p][/quote]Not sure I even know how to begin responding to that. First point would have to be that none of the current board members/owners/playe rs/managers were here fifty odd years ago, so they can only speak for now and what they intend to do. Council involvement or lack thereof can't be blamed on those at the club, at least not entirely. "...teams in our division on much lower gates seem to do ok." Depends what you mean by ok - only three teams can go up in any given season. The majority of teams doing "ok" would by that logic be somewhere between relgation and promotion i.e. somewhere mid table. We get higher gates than many, and finished above quite a few last year. No-one ahead of us had lower gates. In terms of league position against average attendance, if you're trying to make a correlation between the two, we've recently been finishing exactly where we ought to. Where is the money going? We'd been operating at a loss, and probably still are. Power's trying to reduce the deficit, and seems to have done so whilst still maintaining as good a position in league terms that the previous regime had (better you could argue, as although we missed out on the play offs last season, we went down under Wilson). "At a total loss as to what is going on at our club." We're doing alright with a limited budget is what's going on, and trying to live within our means so that the club remains a viable business concern for years to come, rather than mortaging our future for the possibility of short term gains - hence building a team with young players rather than bringing in a bunch of has beens (e.g. Scunthorpe - much good it seems to be doing them). To be honest you seem to have answered your own question in what you've written above, acknowledging that Power's put money in whilst he doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash, and Cooper's doing the best he can in terms of getting in young players and grinding out results. This is more or less our natural level and has been for years - we're not a big club. Unless somone comes in with pots of cash, buys us a new stadium and team, and markets us at armchair fans in other towns in order to fill the ground (like Reading - and who wants to be like those ****ers...) then this is Swindon Town Football Club. Enjoy it, I know I do.[/p][/quote]Very good posts , and puts in to perspective , where the club stands and what they are trying to achieve long term in a effort to ensure we have a club to support in the future. lifelong red
  • Score: 1

3:42pm Tue 26 Aug 14

castle9 says...

redbythesea wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
redbythesea wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties.
No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.
Lol good one, people reading your post would think we are better than man city.
Won't go because of posts? Give it a rest, it's two reasons why fans won't go
1- the tug of war crap between power and Jed ( which was the biggest embarrassment this club has had)
2- the fans have always been shiit on
Through the decades.
You could also say the cost ( but I'm not lol)
Good old Smirg, and to think, It was only just the other day that I was defending you :-)
Agreed that the fans have often not been given the best treatment over the years, but think that is pretty standard throughout football. There's also a big difference between seeing some of the best football I've seen at the County Ground, and saying we're better than Man City, as anyone with a modicom of common sense would realise.
Not suggesting of course that you have no common sense, rather just that your liking for a bit of devilment and a good old fashioned wind up sometimes disguises it well. Also, the dispute is now over, and as people almost universally seemed to want Power to win the battle, they now have their wish, so should no longer be using that as an excuse.
Good restrained post and response redbythesea - talking a lot of sense.

However anyone taking notice of the 20 or so regular negative posters on here and not going as a result would really be using that as an excuse.

Come to think of it - just like all of the excuses used in the past! For example Vince Farrar/Brian Hillier/Andy King/Jimmy Quinn/Swindon Borough Council/Terry Brady/Luck McCormick/Nile Ranger/Jed (insert any convenient name here as a scapegoat to get out of actually supporting your club via the turnstile) etc etc etc

Fact is, the football is great, young up and coming players playing passing football - and if you had renewed your season ticket you would be paying about £14 a game. No brainer.
[quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties. No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.[/p][/quote]Lol good one, people reading your post would think we are better than man city. Won't go because of posts? Give it a rest, it's two reasons why fans won't go 1- the tug of war crap between power and Jed ( which was the biggest embarrassment this club has had) 2- the fans have always been shiit on Through the decades. You could also say the cost ( but I'm not lol)[/p][/quote]Good old Smirg, and to think, It was only just the other day that I was defending you :-) Agreed that the fans have often not been given the best treatment over the years, but think that is pretty standard throughout football. There's also a big difference between seeing some of the best football I've seen at the County Ground, and saying we're better than Man City, as anyone with a modicom of common sense would realise. Not suggesting of course that you have no common sense, rather just that your liking for a bit of devilment and a good old fashioned wind up sometimes disguises it well. Also, the dispute is now over, and as people almost universally seemed to want Power to win the battle, they now have their wish, so should no longer be using that as an excuse.[/p][/quote]Good restrained post and response redbythesea - talking a lot of sense. However anyone taking notice of the 20 or so regular negative posters on here and not going as a result would really be using that as an excuse. Come to think of it - just like all of the excuses used in the past! For example Vince Farrar/Brian Hillier/Andy King/Jimmy Quinn/Swindon Borough Council/Terry Brady/Luck McCormick/Nile Ranger/Jed (insert any convenient name here as a scapegoat to get out of actually supporting your club via the turnstile) etc etc etc Fact is, the football is great, young up and coming players playing passing football - and if you had renewed your season ticket you would be paying about £14 a game. No brainer. castle9
  • Score: 6

4:12pm Tue 26 Aug 14

smirg kcab says...

redbythesea wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
redbythesea wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties.
No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.
Lol good one, people reading your post would think we are better than man city.
Won't go because of posts? Give it a rest, it's two reasons why fans won't go
1- the tug of war crap between power and Jed ( which was the biggest embarrassment this club has had)
2- the fans have always been shiit on
Through the decades.
You could also say the cost ( but I'm not lol)
Good old Smirg, and to think, It was only just the other day that I was defending you :-)
Agreed that the fans have often not been given the best treatment over the years, but think that is pretty standard throughout football. There's also a big difference between seeing some of the best football I've seen at the County Ground, and saying we're better than Man City, as anyone with a modicom of common sense would realise.
Not suggesting of course that you have no common sense, rather just that your liking for a bit of devilment and a good old fashioned wind up sometimes disguises it well. Also, the dispute is now over, and as people almost universally seemed to want Power to win the battle, they now have their wish, so should no longer be using that as an excuse.
I did put lol which was tongue in cheek.
I do like Wilseys post tho, the football has been great- good at home last season, excellent this season. But we speak as fans., and if you went to away games like I did, the word football could not even be mentioned in the history of stfc last season only excluding Rotherham away.
[quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties. No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.[/p][/quote]Lol good one, people reading your post would think we are better than man city. Won't go because of posts? Give it a rest, it's two reasons why fans won't go 1- the tug of war crap between power and Jed ( which was the biggest embarrassment this club has had) 2- the fans have always been shiit on Through the decades. You could also say the cost ( but I'm not lol)[/p][/quote]Good old Smirg, and to think, It was only just the other day that I was defending you :-) Agreed that the fans have often not been given the best treatment over the years, but think that is pretty standard throughout football. There's also a big difference between seeing some of the best football I've seen at the County Ground, and saying we're better than Man City, as anyone with a modicom of common sense would realise. Not suggesting of course that you have no common sense, rather just that your liking for a bit of devilment and a good old fashioned wind up sometimes disguises it well. Also, the dispute is now over, and as people almost universally seemed to want Power to win the battle, they now have their wish, so should no longer be using that as an excuse.[/p][/quote]I did put lol which was tongue in cheek. I do like Wilseys post tho, the football has been great- good at home last season, excellent this season. But we speak as fans., and if you went to away games like I did, the word football could not even be mentioned in the history of stfc last season only excluding Rotherham away. smirg kcab
  • Score: 2

4:22pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Wilesy says...

redbythesea wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
redbythesea wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties.
No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.
Meanwhile back in 2014....

I agree we are playing great stuff at the moment....but we weren't last season hence the comment.

You believe over 1000 people are boycotting due to reading this forum? Come back come back the footballs great!!! There you go problem solved!
No, but then I don't believe either that it's the lack of exciting signings, or the cost increase.
The negativity is more, as Grim eluded to, a disenchantment with the ownership of the club, and once the rot sets in, it's quite difficult to reverse. For sure, big name signings might bring people through the gates initially, but they are not necessarily good for the long term good of the club.
And as for your supercilious comments at the end of your post by your stating how great the football is now, they would only be effective if you had the credibility to successfully foster influence.
Yes the power struggle was an issue but also now over.

For me I go to watch to be entertained, win lose or draw. Any entertainment be it going out for a meal, cinema, concert has to be value for money.

Last season was variable quality of entertainment and crowds reduced, presumably deeming value for money not as good despite the play-off push.

My original 3 points were made that nothing has changed to the casual fan that they should return - the price has gone up, and they will have seen a lack of investment in the squad. Yes the entertainment has been really good so far, I've seen all bar the Crawley game, but those that are "anti-Cooper" have stayed away or have been in two minds can't have been convinced.
[quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties. No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.[/p][/quote]Meanwhile back in 2014.... I agree we are playing great stuff at the moment....but we weren't last season hence the comment. You believe over 1000 people are boycotting due to reading this forum? Come back come back the footballs great!!! There you go problem solved![/p][/quote]No, but then I don't believe either that it's the lack of exciting signings, or the cost increase. The negativity is more, as Grim eluded to, a disenchantment with the ownership of the club, and once the rot sets in, it's quite difficult to reverse. For sure, big name signings might bring people through the gates initially, but they are not necessarily good for the long term good of the club. And as for your supercilious comments at the end of your post by your stating how great the football is now, they would only be effective if you had the credibility to successfully foster influence.[/p][/quote]Yes the power struggle was an issue but also now over. For me I go to watch to be entertained, win lose or draw. Any entertainment be it going out for a meal, cinema, concert has to be value for money. Last season was variable quality of entertainment and crowds reduced, presumably deeming value for money not as good despite the play-off push. My original 3 points were made that nothing has changed to the casual fan that they should return - the price has gone up, and they will have seen a lack of investment in the squad. Yes the entertainment has been really good so far, I've seen all bar the Crawley game, but those that are "anti-Cooper" have stayed away or have been in two minds can't have been convinced. Wilesy
  • Score: 2

6:05pm Tue 26 Aug 14

the wizard says...

August Bank Holiday is a difficult time for some. Firstly some are still on holiday, some go away for the bank holiday. Next up is some are caught up in other stuff like various hobby events over the bank holiday. Add to that some are kitting their kids out for school and others also cannot afford three games in a row at home. This is not the first time the gate has been low for a bank holiday and will not be the last.
For some the season doesn't start for them until the kids are back at school, and there are some Dads who may not get to see their kids that much between now and Christmas so they go away or spend a lot of time with their children over the weekend. If the gates are still low by the end of September then you have a trend, but the way we are playing should help buck that. No big names or big earners in the side yet the overwhelming consensus is, We Play Good Football, isn't that what we go to see ?
August Bank Holiday is a difficult time for some. Firstly some are still on holiday, some go away for the bank holiday. Next up is some are caught up in other stuff like various hobby events over the bank holiday. Add to that some are kitting their kids out for school and others also cannot afford three games in a row at home. This is not the first time the gate has been low for a bank holiday and will not be the last. For some the season doesn't start for them until the kids are back at school, and there are some Dads who may not get to see their kids that much between now and Christmas so they go away or spend a lot of time with their children over the weekend. If the gates are still low by the end of September then you have a trend, but the way we are playing should help buck that. No big names or big earners in the side yet the overwhelming consensus is, We Play Good Football, isn't that what we go to see ? the wizard
  • Score: 4

6:24pm Tue 26 Aug 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

And I can't wait to watch the SWINDON PIRLO again tonight. Come on Yasir...............
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And I can't wait to watch the SWINDON PIRLO again tonight. Come on Yasir............... ....... dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 4

9:32am Wed 27 Aug 14

Micky Hazard says...

smirg kcab wrote:
redbythesea wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
redbythesea wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo

1) The lack of any exciting signings
2) Increase in prices
3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper.

All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.
Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties.
No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.
Lol good one, people reading your post would think we are better than man city.
Won't go because of posts? Give it a rest, it's two reasons why fans won't go
1- the tug of war crap between power and Jed ( which was the biggest embarrassment this club has had)
2- the fans have always been shiit on
Through the decades.
You could also say the cost ( but I'm not lol)
Good old Smirg, and to think, It was only just the other day that I was defending you :-)
Agreed that the fans have often not been given the best treatment over the years, but think that is pretty standard throughout football. There's also a big difference between seeing some of the best football I've seen at the County Ground, and saying we're better than Man City, as anyone with a modicom of common sense would realise.
Not suggesting of course that you have no common sense, rather just that your liking for a bit of devilment and a good old fashioned wind up sometimes disguises it well. Also, the dispute is now over, and as people almost universally seemed to want Power to win the battle, they now have their wish, so should no longer be using that as an excuse.
I did put lol which was tongue in cheek.
I do like Wilseys post tho, the football has been great- good at home last season, excellent this season. But we speak as fans., and if you went to away games like I did, the word football could not even be mentioned in the history of stfc last season only excluding Rotherham away.
You didn't go to Wolves then - we played some amazing football on that lovely sunny day, Wolves didn't know what the hell was going on for much of it. How we didn't score at least 5 I will never know....
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Also 6,500 attendance not good at all. Lowest for a league game for 5 years I think I read. 3 reasons imo 1) The lack of any exciting signings 2) Increase in prices 3) "Boring football" tactics under Cooper. All justifiable reasons and whilst the entertainment is better so far this season the lack of signings and and higher prices may have put off those in two minds from returning.[/p][/quote]Whilst the increase in prices may be a small factor, the cost of a season ticket is not vastly different, especially if bought early and spread over ten months. As for "exciting" signings. Are you referring to the likes of Tommy Miller, Alan Navarro. I'm sorry, but give me Yaser, Luongo, the Thompsons, any day. We are also playing some of the best football I have ever seen at the County Ground since I started going in the mid eighties. No, I think the reason for fans staying away, is a greater apathy perpetuated by people reading the negative comments on these forums, and actually believing that posters on here know what they are talking about. A massive mistake.[/p][/quote]Lol good one, people reading your post would think we are better than man city. Won't go because of posts? Give it a rest, it's two reasons why fans won't go 1- the tug of war crap between power and Jed ( which was the biggest embarrassment this club has had) 2- the fans have always been shiit on Through the decades. You could also say the cost ( but I'm not lol)[/p][/quote]Good old Smirg, and to think, It was only just the other day that I was defending you :-) Agreed that the fans have often not been given the best treatment over the years, but think that is pretty standard throughout football. There's also a big difference between seeing some of the best football I've seen at the County Ground, and saying we're better than Man City, as anyone with a modicom of common sense would realise. Not suggesting of course that you have no common sense, rather just that your liking for a bit of devilment and a good old fashioned wind up sometimes disguises it well. Also, the dispute is now over, and as people almost universally seemed to want Power to win the battle, they now have their wish, so should no longer be using that as an excuse.[/p][/quote]I did put lol which was tongue in cheek. I do like Wilseys post tho, the football has been great- good at home last season, excellent this season. But we speak as fans., and if you went to away games like I did, the word football could not even be mentioned in the history of stfc last season only excluding Rotherham away.[/p][/quote]You didn't go to Wolves then - we played some amazing football on that lovely sunny day, Wolves didn't know what the hell was going on for much of it. How we didn't score at least 5 I will never know.... Micky Hazard
  • Score: 0
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