SWINDON TOWN: Cooper took advice from Premier League bosses over Ranger saga

Nile Ranger celebrates scoring his seventh goal of the season against Peterborough on Saturday

Nile Ranger celebrates scoring his seventh goal of the season against Peterborough on Saturday

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MARK Cooper sought expert advice from a handful of seasoned managers before taking the decision to keep Nile Ranger at Swindon Town.

The Advertiser revealed on Saturday that Town had changed their minds about sacking the enigmatic striker after Ranger apologised to his teammates at a training session on Thursday and he repaid their trust by scoring the opener in a 2-1 victory over Peterborough United in League One at the weekend.

However, Cooper told the Adver that the sage words of some of his contemporaries helped him resolve that terminating Ranger’s stay in Wiltshire would not be the right move.

“I spoke to a couple of managers that I respect in the game, Premiership managers and a Championship manager, and I spoke about the situation,” he said.

“The first question they asked me was ‘have you got a replacement’ and I said no. They said ‘don’t even think about it’.”

Cooper confirmed that Town still intend to sign another striker during the January transfer window.

“I think there will be a replacement that comes in or another forward, another number nine, to make sure he does behave,” he said.

Some fans have queried the club’s decision to keep Ranger on, given the frontman’s regular absences from training and less than exemplary timekeeping.

Cooper responded to the suggestions by saying: “When someone is that good at their job I don’t think you want to get rid of them or it doesn’t make sense to get rid of them until you could get somebody in that could do as good a job. But like the fans say, he does what he wants. He certainly does that.”

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7:21am Mon 13 Jan 14

Since 1950 says...

Let's hope for everyone's sake that the lad can knuckle down. The court case is out of our hands so that may decide things anyway. Actually, the boy is a delight on the pitch. Gets on the end of some close attention from the defence going forward but does react and is strong in defence himself from corners. Hope it all works out because he is the difference for us, no doubting that.

C O Y R!
Let's hope for everyone's sake that the lad can knuckle down. The court case is out of our hands so that may decide things anyway. Actually, the boy is a delight on the pitch. Gets on the end of some close attention from the defence going forward but does react and is strong in defence himself from corners. Hope it all works out because he is the difference for us, no doubting that. C O Y R! Since 1950
  • Score: 22

7:23am Mon 13 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

Sounds to me for better or worse Cooper's been talked into keeping Ranger on - he sounds a bit reluctant. That said we're a far better side with Ranger in it. He's been given preferential treatment no question which isn't really fair so hope he now realises that this is the last chance saloon. Time will tell.
Sounds to me for better or worse Cooper's been talked into keeping Ranger on - he sounds a bit reluctant. That said we're a far better side with Ranger in it. He's been given preferential treatment no question which isn't really fair so hope he now realises that this is the last chance saloon. Time will tell. Swindon1984
  • Score: 6

7:48am Mon 13 Jan 14

London Red says...

Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad
.
Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question!
.
As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him
.
So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him
.
Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan!
Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad . Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question! . As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him . So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him . Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan! London Red
  • Score: 8

8:25am Mon 13 Jan 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

Nile is a very lucky boy to have so much support from people around him. I hope he appreciates it, learns from it and reacts positively.

By the end of the month everything will be different for him, whatever the outcome of his 'off field' issue.

I for one hope he is innocent, and he wakes up to how good his life can be for him from then on. It would be a chance for a complete new chapter.

Alternatively, he could be found not guilty and continue to ruin his life. That would be such a waste of his talent and everyone else's understanding.

The final option hinges around the court case outcome going the other way. That's out of everyone's hands... including his.
Nile is a very lucky boy to have so much support from people around him. I hope he appreciates it, learns from it and reacts positively. By the end of the month everything will be different for him, whatever the outcome of his 'off field' issue. I for one hope he is innocent, and he wakes up to how good his life can be for him from then on. It would be a chance for a complete new chapter. Alternatively, he could be found not guilty and continue to ruin his life. That would be such a waste of his talent and everyone else's understanding. The final option hinges around the court case outcome going the other way. That's out of everyone's hands... including his. The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: 8

8:37am Mon 13 Jan 14

alynsmith says...

It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment.
My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.
It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment. My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do. alynsmith
  • Score: 4

8:50am Mon 13 Jan 14

Penhill54 says...

alynsmith wrote:
It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment.
My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.
I think trhat due to his impending case, he is not allowed to speak to the media, regardless of what it is about. I could be wrong but he has never, to my knowledge, been interviewed since he joined us.
[quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment. My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.[/p][/quote]I think trhat due to his impending case, he is not allowed to speak to the media, regardless of what it is about. I could be wrong but he has never, to my knowledge, been interviewed since he joined us. Penhill54
  • Score: 3

8:55am Mon 13 Jan 14

Penhill54 says...

London Red wrote:
Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad
.
Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question!
.
As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him
.
So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him
.
Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan!
We only go into the POs if we win and Walsall don't.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad . Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question! . As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him . So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him . Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan![/p][/quote]We only go into the POs if we win and Walsall don't. Penhill54
  • Score: 1

9:01am Mon 13 Jan 14

john9149 says...

I'm not in favour of players taking advantage, especially when the rest of the team is knuckling down. Unfortunately, he is far and away our best centre forward, and best center half! I can see no way we would have won that game on Saturday had he not been in the team!
I'm not in favour of players taking advantage, especially when the rest of the team is knuckling down. Unfortunately, he is far and away our best centre forward, and best center half! I can see no way we would have won that game on Saturday had he not been in the team! john9149
  • Score: 11

9:21am Mon 13 Jan 14

umpcah says...

The right decision was made but I don't see why Coops had to consult anyone outside of STFC. If all goes well for Nile in court and he then behaves as he should he could become this season`s Town hero. Who can declare that he`s not a pleasure to watch ?
The right decision was made but I don't see why Coops had to consult anyone outside of STFC. If all goes well for Nile in court and he then behaves as he should he could become this season`s Town hero. Who can declare that he`s not a pleasure to watch ? umpcah
  • Score: 3

9:51am Mon 13 Jan 14

alynsmith says...

Penhill54 wrote:
alynsmith wrote:
It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment.
My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.
I think trhat due to his impending case, he is not allowed to speak to the media, regardless of what it is about. I could be wrong but he has never, to my knowledge, been interviewed since he joined us.
It's a shame that he can't even release a general statement which would be totally unrelated to his court case.
Regarding another positing - I think Mark Cooper did the right thing by talking to experienced managers about the situation - he is still young and learning the profession and so far doing well here now he has settled at a club, he has made mistakes in the past, and in this day and age mistakes can be very costly to a manager's future but I think the effort he has put in is admirable. In general - pleasing all of the people (fans) all of the time can only be done with constant good results - anyone who thought that was going to happen this season is not in the real world.
[quote][p][bold]Penhill54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment. My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.[/p][/quote]I think trhat due to his impending case, he is not allowed to speak to the media, regardless of what it is about. I could be wrong but he has never, to my knowledge, been interviewed since he joined us.[/p][/quote]It's a shame that he can't even release a general statement which would be totally unrelated to his court case. Regarding another positing - I think Mark Cooper did the right thing by talking to experienced managers about the situation - he is still young and learning the profession and so far doing well here now he has settled at a club, he has made mistakes in the past, and in this day and age mistakes can be very costly to a manager's future but I think the effort he has put in is admirable. In general - pleasing all of the people (fans) all of the time can only be done with constant good results - anyone who thought that was going to happen this season is not in the real world. alynsmith
  • Score: 7

10:04am Mon 13 Jan 14

red white says...

Wonder who he asked ?
Wonder who he asked ? red white
  • Score: 0

10:05am Mon 13 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

I don't do the predictions league these days but a good question would be, how long until Ranger misses training again.....cos it's surely going to happen.

What happens then? Have we said he can come and go as he pleases, or is it one more missed session and he's out?

There's no doubting his quality on the pitch, and Saturday was a perfect example of why we need him - he was fantastic. He has also played well I would say in virtually every game he has played.

It's an interesting dilemma because despite Cooper's criticism and scepticism, having Ranger in the team benefits the club and ultimately Cooper as over a period of time we well get better results with Ranger in the team. I think he could be the difference between getting in the play-offs or not. If we were a bigger team in a higher league with bigger resources then you could just replace, but in our situation you can see why we have to be a bit pragmatic. Just hope Nile justifies the faith and plays the game from now on.
I don't do the predictions league these days but a good question would be, how long until Ranger misses training again.....cos it's surely going to happen. What happens then? Have we said he can come and go as he pleases, or is it one more missed session and he's out? There's no doubting his quality on the pitch, and Saturday was a perfect example of why we need him - he was fantastic. He has also played well I would say in virtually every game he has played. It's an interesting dilemma because despite Cooper's criticism and scepticism, having Ranger in the team benefits the club and ultimately Cooper as over a period of time we well get better results with Ranger in the team. I think he could be the difference between getting in the play-offs or not. If we were a bigger team in a higher league with bigger resources then you could just replace, but in our situation you can see why we have to be a bit pragmatic. Just hope Nile justifies the faith and plays the game from now on. Wilesy
  • Score: 6

10:05am Mon 13 Jan 14

NORTH STAND says...

Personally I thought the manager came across quite churlishly on the radio - wouldn't do to see Mr Power reach for another puppet at this point of the season.... all together.... 'ooooh Mark Cooper, he does what he's told....'

Good result Saturday - totally outplayed by a side that had lost their previous four games but hey these points are taking us towards safety.... Ranger's performance as committed as ever - when he stops giving 100% on the pitch I'll start worrying about him not respecting the manager.....
Personally I thought the manager came across quite churlishly on the radio - wouldn't do to see Mr Power reach for another puppet at this point of the season.... all together.... 'ooooh Mark Cooper, he does what he's told....' Good result Saturday - totally outplayed by a side that had lost their previous four games but hey these points are taking us towards safety.... Ranger's performance as committed as ever - when he stops giving 100% on the pitch I'll start worrying about him not respecting the manager..... NORTH STAND
  • Score: -29

10:27am Mon 13 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see. Oi Den!
  • Score: 6

10:38am Mon 13 Jan 14

Psychedelic Syd says...

All I know is that we look an awful lot better with him than without him. His intelligence on the field is remarkable. He runs into spaces, pulls players away to open up play like he did for Kasim's goal on Saturday, has almost supernatural control over the ball, great awareness of other players around him, he's got pace, he's good in the air and on the ground, skilful but unselfish, he has better defensive positioning at set pieces than any of our defenders, a calm temperament however much he is fouled, strength and courage too - if only he could grow up off the field, ditch his bad-influence "friends" and seize the opportunities that could come his way in the game. He is an exceptional talent and the most criminal thing he can do now is waste this last opportunity that our club has given him.
All I know is that we look an awful lot better with him than without him. His intelligence on the field is remarkable. He runs into spaces, pulls players away to open up play like he did for Kasim's goal on Saturday, has almost supernatural control over the ball, great awareness of other players around him, he's got pace, he's good in the air and on the ground, skilful but unselfish, he has better defensive positioning at set pieces than any of our defenders, a calm temperament however much he is fouled, strength and courage too - if only he could grow up off the field, ditch his bad-influence "friends" and seize the opportunities that could come his way in the game. He is an exceptional talent and the most criminal thing he can do now is waste this last opportunity that our club has given him. Psychedelic Syd
  • Score: 19

10:51am Mon 13 Jan 14

Stilloyal says...

red white wrote:
Wonder who he asked ?
Arry.
[quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: Wonder who he asked ?[/p][/quote]Arry. Stilloyal
  • Score: 0

10:53am Mon 13 Jan 14

oz ashes says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Personally I thought the manager came across quite churlishly on the radio - wouldn't do to see Mr Power reach for another puppet at this point of the season.... all together.... 'ooooh Mark Cooper, he does what he's told....' Good result Saturday - totally outplayed by a side that had lost their previous four games but hey these points are taking us towards safety.... Ranger's performance as committed as ever - when he stops giving 100% on the pitch I'll start worrying about him not respecting the manager.....
I cannot believe what I have just read here another power /cooper slater are you Bradley reds 1 twin brother look at where we are in the table and if your not happy with that go shopping on Saturday Arvos and moan about the price of a tin of baked beans instead
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Personally I thought the manager came across quite churlishly on the radio - wouldn't do to see Mr Power reach for another puppet at this point of the season.... all together.... 'ooooh Mark Cooper, he does what he's told....' Good result Saturday - totally outplayed by a side that had lost their previous four games but hey these points are taking us towards safety.... Ranger's performance as committed as ever - when he stops giving 100% on the pitch I'll start worrying about him not respecting the manager.....[/p][/quote]I cannot believe what I have just read here another power /cooper slater are you Bradley reds 1 twin brother look at where we are in the table and if your not happy with that go shopping on Saturday Arvos and moan about the price of a tin of baked beans instead oz ashes
  • Score: 12

11:07am Mon 13 Jan 14

LeGod says...

i think fans have to give Cooper respect for the way he has handled things and he's always willing to listen and learn from managers that have more experience than him and i think some fo the fans that are still having a dig at him need to realise that Cooper has done a bloody good job under the circumstnaces right from being thrown in at the eeep end initially for the job and getting us to where we currently are.
You get the likes of Darren Ferguson who lets face it is a manager because of his old man and lives off that reputation. Cooper is learning and as much as i liked PDC imagine the situation with him and Ranger.
Fans need to start recognising what Cooper has done so far and should give him more respect. I dont think are many managers in the league that have been put in the position he has and he has taken it all in his stride and done well.
I was one of the ones that didnt want him initially and im big enough to own up to it but if we can now push ourselves a bit further the play offs is very realistic.
Really please for Branco on saturday and also pleased no fans got on Ranagers back on saturday as i was expecting a little bit so well done to everyone. Branco and Ranger both superb on saturday and for Branco he deserves a run in the side based on that perfornance and MC im sure will keep him in the side. The other players have got more competiton now which is all good as we were lacking in that position.
Lets get another 3 points tomorrow and were in the play off positions.
i think fans have to give Cooper respect for the way he has handled things and he's always willing to listen and learn from managers that have more experience than him and i think some fo the fans that are still having a dig at him need to realise that Cooper has done a bloody good job under the circumstnaces right from being thrown in at the eeep end initially for the job and getting us to where we currently are. You get the likes of Darren Ferguson who lets face it is a manager because of his old man and lives off that reputation. Cooper is learning and as much as i liked PDC imagine the situation with him and Ranger. Fans need to start recognising what Cooper has done so far and should give him more respect. I dont think are many managers in the league that have been put in the position he has and he has taken it all in his stride and done well. I was one of the ones that didnt want him initially and im big enough to own up to it but if we can now push ourselves a bit further the play offs is very realistic. Really please for Branco on saturday and also pleased no fans got on Ranagers back on saturday as i was expecting a little bit so well done to everyone. Branco and Ranger both superb on saturday and for Branco he deserves a run in the side based on that perfornance and MC im sure will keep him in the side. The other players have got more competiton now which is all good as we were lacking in that position. Lets get another 3 points tomorrow and were in the play off positions. LeGod
  • Score: 21

11:22am Mon 13 Jan 14

oz ashes says...

LeGod wrote:
i think fans have to give Cooper respect for the way he has handled things and he's always willing to listen and learn from managers that have more experience than him and i think some fo the fans that are still having a dig at him need to realise that Cooper has done a bloody good job under the circumstnaces right from being thrown in at the eeep end initially for the job and getting us to where we currently are. You get the likes of Darren Ferguson who lets face it is a manager because of his old man and lives off that reputation. Cooper is learning and as much as i liked PDC imagine the situation with him and Ranger. Fans need to start recognising what Cooper has done so far and should give him more respect. I dont think are many managers in the league that have been put in the position he has and he has taken it all in his stride and done well. I was one of the ones that didnt want him initially and im big enough to own up to it but if we can now push ourselves a bit further the play offs is very realistic. Really please for Branco on saturday and also pleased no fans got on Ranagers back on saturday as i was expecting a little bit so well done to everyone. Branco and Ranger both superb on saturday and for Branco he deserves a run in the side based on that perfornance and MC im sure will keep him in the side. The other players have got more competiton now which is all good as we were lacking in that position. Lets get another 3 points tomorrow and were in the play off positions.
Well said that man
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: i think fans have to give Cooper respect for the way he has handled things and he's always willing to listen and learn from managers that have more experience than him and i think some fo the fans that are still having a dig at him need to realise that Cooper has done a bloody good job under the circumstnaces right from being thrown in at the eeep end initially for the job and getting us to where we currently are. You get the likes of Darren Ferguson who lets face it is a manager because of his old man and lives off that reputation. Cooper is learning and as much as i liked PDC imagine the situation with him and Ranger. Fans need to start recognising what Cooper has done so far and should give him more respect. I dont think are many managers in the league that have been put in the position he has and he has taken it all in his stride and done well. I was one of the ones that didnt want him initially and im big enough to own up to it but if we can now push ourselves a bit further the play offs is very realistic. Really please for Branco on saturday and also pleased no fans got on Ranagers back on saturday as i was expecting a little bit so well done to everyone. Branco and Ranger both superb on saturday and for Branco he deserves a run in the side based on that perfornance and MC im sure will keep him in the side. The other players have got more competiton now which is all good as we were lacking in that position. Lets get another 3 points tomorrow and were in the play off positions.[/p][/quote]Well said that man oz ashes
  • Score: 2

11:41am Mon 13 Jan 14

MidlandRobin says...

Off topic...

Just seen Mr.Clarke has handed in a transfer request at Coventry, interesting.

Again another club where he thinks he's better than he is! Arrogant Sh!t.

MR
Off topic... Just seen Mr.Clarke has handed in a transfer request at Coventry, interesting. Again another club where he thinks he's better than he is! Arrogant Sh!t. MR MidlandRobin
  • Score: 3

11:41am Mon 13 Jan 14

Another view says...

Oi Den! says...
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.

Den, what about George Best, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles, Gazza, Balotelli, just to name a few of the less responsible players? Life is not fair in every walk of life, and for that reason it is never black and white. I still can't make my mind up over Ranger, but I do know he's invaluable to us while he's on the pitch, fully match fit or not.
Oi Den! says... There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see. Den, what about George Best, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles, Gazza, Balotelli, just to name a few of the less responsible players? Life is not fair in every walk of life, and for that reason it is never black and white. I still can't make my mind up over Ranger, but I do know he's invaluable to us while he's on the pitch, fully match fit or not. Another view
  • Score: 7

11:58am Mon 13 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
Off topic...

Just seen Mr.Clarke has handed in a transfer request at Coventry, interesting.

Again another club where he thinks he's better than he is! Arrogant Sh!t.

MR
Can't see that asking for a transfer makes someone arrogant. Good player and he probably is better than this level.
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Off topic... Just seen Mr.Clarke has handed in a transfer request at Coventry, interesting. Again another club where he thinks he's better than he is! Arrogant Sh!t. MR[/p][/quote]Can't see that asking for a transfer makes someone arrogant. Good player and he probably is better than this level. Oi Den!
  • Score: 4

12:06pm Mon 13 Jan 14

MITTED says...

alynsmith wrote:
Penhill54 wrote:
alynsmith wrote:
It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment.
My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.
I think trhat due to his impending case, he is not allowed to speak to the media, regardless of what it is about. I could be wrong but he has never, to my knowledge, been interviewed since he joined us.
It's a shame that he can't even release a general statement which would be totally unrelated to his court case.
Regarding another positing - I think Mark Cooper did the right thing by talking to experienced managers about the situation - he is still young and learning the profession and so far doing well here now he has settled at a club, he has made mistakes in the past, and in this day and age mistakes can be very costly to a manager's future but I think the effort he has put in is admirable. In general - pleasing all of the people (fans) all of the time can only be done with constant good results - anyone who thought that was going to happen this season is not in the real world.
Ranger was put forward for a post-match interview a few weeks back on the understanding that the journalists did not mention the pending court case, to which they all agreed. As soon as the microphone went live, the first interviewer asked about the court case! A club official immediately stopped the interview and the media has not been trusted since. A shame said journalist couldn't control himself, because I am sure most of us would like to hear Ranger talking about on the pitch activities.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Penhill54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment. My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.[/p][/quote]I think trhat due to his impending case, he is not allowed to speak to the media, regardless of what it is about. I could be wrong but he has never, to my knowledge, been interviewed since he joined us.[/p][/quote]It's a shame that he can't even release a general statement which would be totally unrelated to his court case. Regarding another positing - I think Mark Cooper did the right thing by talking to experienced managers about the situation - he is still young and learning the profession and so far doing well here now he has settled at a club, he has made mistakes in the past, and in this day and age mistakes can be very costly to a manager's future but I think the effort he has put in is admirable. In general - pleasing all of the people (fans) all of the time can only be done with constant good results - anyone who thought that was going to happen this season is not in the real world.[/p][/quote]Ranger was put forward for a post-match interview a few weeks back on the understanding that the journalists did not mention the pending court case, to which they all agreed. As soon as the microphone went live, the first interviewer asked about the court case! A club official immediately stopped the interview and the media has not been trusted since. A shame said journalist couldn't control himself, because I am sure most of us would like to hear Ranger talking about on the pitch activities. COYR MITTED
  • Score: 4

12:11pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Another view wrote:
Oi Den! says...
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.

Den, what about George Best, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles, Gazza, Balotelli, just to name a few of the less responsible players? Life is not fair in every walk of life, and for that reason it is never black and white. I still can't make my mind up over Ranger, but I do know he's invaluable to us while he's on the pitch, fully match fit or not.
Yes AV, those were all difficult players and I do take your point about everything not being black and white. But - and I know I've asked this question before - where do you draw the line? Or does a line exist only for run-of-the-mill players? What if Ranger disregards the terms of his employment again this week? Or next week? Does the cub say nothing? Or give him a warning that he knows means nothing because the club has decided he's too good to be subject to the same standards as "ordinary"players?

Wonderful performance from Ranger on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: Oi Den! says... There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see. Den, what about George Best, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles, Gazza, Balotelli, just to name a few of the less responsible players? Life is not fair in every walk of life, and for that reason it is never black and white. I still can't make my mind up over Ranger, but I do know he's invaluable to us while he's on the pitch, fully match fit or not.[/p][/quote]Yes AV, those were all difficult players and I do take your point about everything not being black and white. But - and I know I've asked this question before - where do you draw the line? Or does a line exist only for run-of-the-mill players? What if Ranger disregards the terms of his employment again this week? Or next week? Does the cub say nothing? Or give him a warning that he knows means nothing because the club has decided he's too good to be subject to the same standards as "ordinary"players? Wonderful performance from Ranger on Saturday. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

12:14pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Oops! "club" not "cub".
Oops! "club" not "cub". Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

12:30pm Mon 13 Jan 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

I am not a cooper lover or hater he just makes me go MEH !!
I am not a cooper lover or hater he just makes me go MEH !! you gots ta be kidding me
  • Score: -10

12:45pm Mon 13 Jan 14

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.[/p][/quote]That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 4

12:52pm Mon 13 Jan 14

mustard red says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
Off topic...

Just seen Mr.Clarke has handed in a transfer request at Coventry, interesting.

Again another club where he thinks he's better than he is! Arrogant Sh!t.

MR
I would welcome Clarke back here at Swindon. He wouldn't want to come here, and we couldn't afford him, but I'd have him back. Just saying.
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Off topic... Just seen Mr.Clarke has handed in a transfer request at Coventry, interesting. Again another club where he thinks he's better than he is! Arrogant Sh!t. MR[/p][/quote]I would welcome Clarke back here at Swindon. He wouldn't want to come here, and we couldn't afford him, but I'd have him back. Just saying. mustard red
  • Score: 2

1:27pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Vintage Trouble says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Another view wrote: Oi Den! says... There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see. Den, what about George Best, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles, Gazza, Balotelli, just to name a few of the less responsible players? Life is not fair in every walk of life, and for that reason it is never black and white. I still can't make my mind up over Ranger, but I do know he's invaluable to us while he's on the pitch, fully match fit or not.
Yes AV, those were all difficult players and I do take your point about everything not being black and white. But - and I know I've asked this question before - where do you draw the line? Or does a line exist only for run-of-the-mill players? What if Ranger disregards the terms of his employment again this week? Or next week? Does the cub say nothing? Or give him a warning that he knows means nothing because the club has decided he's too good to be subject to the same standards as "ordinary"playe
rs? Wonderful performance from Ranger on Saturday.
If he delivers on the pitch and the other players want him on the pitch then he can do what he wants. Can't see what the problem would be if the those points are ticked!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: Oi Den! says... There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see. Den, what about George Best, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles, Gazza, Balotelli, just to name a few of the less responsible players? Life is not fair in every walk of life, and for that reason it is never black and white. I still can't make my mind up over Ranger, but I do know he's invaluable to us while he's on the pitch, fully match fit or not.[/p][/quote]Yes AV, those were all difficult players and I do take your point about everything not being black and white. But - and I know I've asked this question before - where do you draw the line? Or does a line exist only for run-of-the-mill players? What if Ranger disregards the terms of his employment again this week? Or next week? Does the cub say nothing? Or give him a warning that he knows means nothing because the club has decided he's too good to be subject to the same standards as "ordinary"playe rs? Wonderful performance from Ranger on Saturday.[/p][/quote]If he delivers on the pitch and the other players want him on the pitch then he can do what he wants. Can't see what the problem would be if the those points are ticked! Vintage Trouble
  • Score: 5

1:30pm Mon 13 Jan 14

MITTED says...

the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!!
plus the difference between those two players is that Ranger is worth the £££s because he consistently does the business on the pitch to which the club / team benefits hugely despite his off-field antics; Navarro on the other hand, hasn't earned his pay-cheque since the day he arrived apart from one game against Brighton. Enough said.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.[/p][/quote]That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]plus the difference between those two players is that Ranger is worth the £££s because he consistently does the business on the pitch to which the club / team benefits hugely despite his off-field antics; Navarro on the other hand, hasn't earned his pay-cheque since the day he arrived apart from one game against Brighton. Enough said. COYR MITTED
  • Score: 2

1:52pm Mon 13 Jan 14

jillyh says...

Vintage Trouble wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Another view wrote: Oi Den! says... There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see. Den, what about George Best, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles, Gazza, Balotelli, just to name a few of the less responsible players? Life is not fair in every walk of life, and for that reason it is never black and white. I still can't make my mind up over Ranger, but I do know he's invaluable to us while he's on the pitch, fully match fit or not.
Yes AV, those were all difficult players and I do take your point about everything not being black and white. But - and I know I've asked this question before - where do you draw the line? Or does a line exist only for run-of-the-mill players? What if Ranger disregards the terms of his employment again this week? Or next week? Does the cub say nothing? Or give him a warning that he knows means nothing because the club has decided he's too good to be subject to the same standards as "ordinary"playe rs? Wonderful performance from Ranger on Saturday.
If he delivers on the pitch and the other players want him on the pitch then he can do what he wants. Can't see what the problem would be if the those points are ticked!
Do all the players want him though - did anyone notice the reaction of Hall when Ranger scored? If you didn't - look again as I think that sums it up. Ambiguous reporting from Cooper and Power as one said the player apologised to him and the other said the team asked for him to be included. I sense a dressing room fall out.
[quote][p][bold]Vintage Trouble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: Oi Den! says... There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see. Den, what about George Best, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles, Gazza, Balotelli, just to name a few of the less responsible players? Life is not fair in every walk of life, and for that reason it is never black and white. I still can't make my mind up over Ranger, but I do know he's invaluable to us while he's on the pitch, fully match fit or not.[/p][/quote]Yes AV, those were all difficult players and I do take your point about everything not being black and white. But - and I know I've asked this question before - where do you draw the line? Or does a line exist only for run-of-the-mill players? What if Ranger disregards the terms of his employment again this week? Or next week? Does the cub say nothing? Or give him a warning that he knows means nothing because the club has decided he's too good to be subject to the same standards as "ordinary"playe rs? Wonderful performance from Ranger on Saturday.[/p][/quote]If he delivers on the pitch and the other players want him on the pitch then he can do what he wants. Can't see what the problem would be if the those points are ticked![/p][/quote]Do all the players want him though - did anyone notice the reaction of Hall when Ranger scored? If you didn't - look again as I think that sums it up. Ambiguous reporting from Cooper and Power as one said the player apologised to him and the other said the team asked for him to be included. I sense a dressing room fall out. jillyh
  • Score: -8

1:57pm Mon 13 Jan 14

jillyh says...

London Red wrote:
Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad . Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question! . As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him . So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him . Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan!
But do the squad really want him - did anyone notice Hall's reaction to his goal. If not it's worth a look as I think it sums up what could be a potential dressing room breakdown.

In the pre-match interviews with Cooper and Power, one said he apologised to him whilst the other said the team asked the manager to include him. Hence my concerns.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad . Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question! . As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him . So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him . Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan![/p][/quote]But do the squad really want him - did anyone notice Hall's reaction to his goal. If not it's worth a look as I think it sums up what could be a potential dressing room breakdown. In the pre-match interviews with Cooper and Power, one said he apologised to him whilst the other said the team asked the manager to include him. Hence my concerns. jillyh
  • Score: -1

2:17pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

MITTED wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!!
plus the difference between those two players is that Ranger is worth the £££s because he consistently does the business on the pitch to which the club / team benefits hugely despite his off-field antics; Navarro on the other hand, hasn't earned his pay-cheque since the day he arrived apart from one game against Brighton. Enough said.
COYR
I don't disagree with your view of Navarro's playing ability or of Ranger's influence on the team's performances. I deliberately used Navarro as an example because he is at the other end of the scale from Ranger. That's the whole point. One rule for journeymen players and one for stars. And if you think Ranger's worth a lot of money, regardless of his attitude towards training etc, I think you're much mistaken. He was only available to us because nobody else wanted him. If he can shed the baggage, he's Premier League - maybe even international - standard. If he carries on the way he has been, his market value will be negligible. Enough said indeed.

By the way, I didn't even think much of Navarro's performance against Brighton - but he got two goals so apparently that made him "man of the match". It's all about opinions but I do sometimes wonder whether the sponsors are watching the same game as me.

One last point. jilly is right. Hall looked like his team had just conceded a goal, not scored one, after Ranger's goal. Unless he suddenly forgot which side he was on, something is not right.
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.[/p][/quote]That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]plus the difference between those two players is that Ranger is worth the £££s because he consistently does the business on the pitch to which the club / team benefits hugely despite his off-field antics; Navarro on the other hand, hasn't earned his pay-cheque since the day he arrived apart from one game against Brighton. Enough said. COYR[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with your view of Navarro's playing ability or of Ranger's influence on the team's performances. I deliberately used Navarro as an example because he is at the other end of the scale from Ranger. That's the whole point. One rule for journeymen players and one for stars. And if you think Ranger's worth a lot of money, regardless of his attitude towards training etc, I think you're much mistaken. He was only available to us because nobody else wanted him. If he can shed the baggage, he's Premier League - maybe even international - standard. If he carries on the way he has been, his market value will be negligible. Enough said indeed. By the way, I didn't even think much of Navarro's performance against Brighton - but he got two goals so apparently that made him "man of the match". It's all about opinions but I do sometimes wonder whether the sponsors are watching the same game as me. One last point. jilly is right. Hall looked like his team had just conceded a goal, not scored one, after Ranger's goal. Unless he suddenly forgot which side he was on, something is not right. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Mon 13 Jan 14

badger58 says...

Have to agree with jillh , I thought it was me thinking Hall didn't look to pleased . IMO the players know they have a better chance of promotion with NR leading the line , lets hope he tows the line as there is no doubt he has so much talent .
Have to agree with jillh , I thought it was me thinking Hall didn't look to pleased . IMO the players know they have a better chance of promotion with NR leading the line , lets hope he tows the line as there is no doubt he has so much talent . badger58
  • Score: 3

2:31pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

jillyh wrote:
London Red wrote: Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad . Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question! . As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him . So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him . Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan!
But do the squad really want him - did anyone notice Hall's reaction to his goal. If not it's worth a look as I think it sums up what could be a potential dressing room breakdown. In the pre-match interviews with Cooper and Power, one said he apologised to him whilst the other said the team asked the manager to include him. Hence my concerns.
Didn't see that, what was Hall's reaction?

On the matter of Hall, was great to Branco in the middle but Hall left back? Would've thought Byrne would be better filling that gap until McEveley's fit. Hall didn't look comfortable as a full back at all. Can only presume that part of the condition of the loan is that he features.

Maybe try Hall and Branco together at centre half - Ward can head a ball out and get his body in the way but his passing at the back scares me. I'm all for playing proper passing football but the problem comes when you don't have the players for it. Has no-one else noticed we seem to do a short pass out, play it around the back until we're closed down so much we have to pass back to the keeper and then lump it up there anyway? At best it wastes time, at worst it puts us at risk of giving possession away in front of our own goal and handing a chance away that the opposition wouldn't otherwise have had.

Also seems odd that when we have such a fantastic target man up front we should put ourselves under pressure playing short passes at the back. Just look at Storey's winner against Coventry to show how direct football can work, Wes chucks it forward, Ranger flicks on, just need someone with Storey's pace to run onto it. I love that we're trying to play entertaining football but too often we make three passes when one would do, at which point the space is closed down or a free player has become marked, or worse, we invite pressure and give away possession.
[quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad . Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question! . As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him . So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him . Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan![/p][/quote]But do the squad really want him - did anyone notice Hall's reaction to his goal. If not it's worth a look as I think it sums up what could be a potential dressing room breakdown. In the pre-match interviews with Cooper and Power, one said he apologised to him whilst the other said the team asked the manager to include him. Hence my concerns.[/p][/quote]Didn't see that, what was Hall's reaction? On the matter of Hall, was great to Branco in the middle but Hall left back? Would've thought Byrne would be better filling that gap until McEveley's fit. Hall didn't look comfortable as a full back at all. Can only presume that part of the condition of the loan is that he features. Maybe try Hall and Branco together at centre half - Ward can head a ball out and get his body in the way but his passing at the back scares me. I'm all for playing proper passing football but the problem comes when you don't have the players for it. Has no-one else noticed we seem to do a short pass out, play it around the back until we're closed down so much we have to pass back to the keeper and then lump it up there anyway? At best it wastes time, at worst it puts us at risk of giving possession away in front of our own goal and handing a chance away that the opposition wouldn't otherwise have had. Also seems odd that when we have such a fantastic target man up front we should put ourselves under pressure playing short passes at the back. Just look at Storey's winner against Coventry to show how direct football can work, Wes chucks it forward, Ranger flicks on, just need someone with Storey's pace to run onto it. I love that we're trying to play entertaining football but too often we make three passes when one would do, at which point the space is closed down or a free player has become marked, or worse, we invite pressure and give away possession. Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

2:32pm Mon 13 Jan 14

For What It's Worth..... says...

jillyh wrote:
London Red wrote: Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad . Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question! . As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him . So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him . Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan!
But do the squad really want him - did anyone notice Hall's reaction to his goal. If not it's worth a look as I think it sums up what could be a potential dressing room breakdown. In the pre-match interviews with Cooper and Power, one said he apologised to him whilst the other said the team asked the manager to include him. Hence my concerns.
According to Wes its unanimous!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/25
711412
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Even if Hall is not happy - should one loanee make the decision? Or should the majority of the squad decide - especially the STFC players!
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Ranger was completely mobbed by the rest of the team - and that is what speaks volumes to me - they clearly want him about!
[quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad . Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question! . As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him . So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him . Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan![/p][/quote]But do the squad really want him - did anyone notice Hall's reaction to his goal. If not it's worth a look as I think it sums up what could be a potential dressing room breakdown. In the pre-match interviews with Cooper and Power, one said he apologised to him whilst the other said the team asked the manager to include him. Hence my concerns.[/p][/quote]According to Wes its unanimous! . http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 711412 . Even if Hall is not happy - should one loanee make the decision? Or should the majority of the squad decide - especially the STFC players! . Ranger was completely mobbed by the rest of the team - and that is what speaks volumes to me - they clearly want him about! For What It's Worth.....
  • Score: 8

2:32pm Mon 13 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

Cooper needs points to be a success, a massive statement by him hats off to all involved,
I pay my money to watch a team and do their best on the pitch, what goes on behind the dressing room and board level I couldn't give a tosss.
Keep up the good work Nile and please don't let us down again, your to talented to throw it all away.
Cooper needs points to be a success, a massive statement by him hats off to all involved, I pay my money to watch a team and do their best on the pitch, what goes on behind the dressing room and board level I couldn't give a tosss. Keep up the good work Nile and please don't let us down again, your to talented to throw it all away. smirg kcab
  • Score: 8

2:43pm Mon 13 Jan 14

LeGod says...

i noticed Hall's reaction wasnt the slightest bit interested in celebrating which tells a story he could be hacked off he was playing full back as well but i would think more to do with the Ranger situation Its clear for all to see on line on the sky sports site.
The facts are without Ranger on saturday we would have struggled to win as we have no one else to hold the ball up when attacking and 9 times out of ten he wins the ball to clear when we are defending. No one can deny that he is a key to the way we play i hope now this is all behind us and January 23rd he is found not guilty.
i noticed Hall's reaction wasnt the slightest bit interested in celebrating which tells a story he could be hacked off he was playing full back as well but i would think more to do with the Ranger situation Its clear for all to see on line on the sky sports site. The facts are without Ranger on saturday we would have struggled to win as we have no one else to hold the ball up when attacking and 9 times out of ten he wins the ball to clear when we are defending. No one can deny that he is a key to the way we play i hope now this is all behind us and January 23rd he is found not guilty. LeGod
  • Score: 6

2:48pm Mon 13 Jan 14

MITTED says...

Oi Den! wrote:
MITTED wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!!
plus the difference between those two players is that Ranger is worth the £££s because he consistently does the business on the pitch to which the club / team benefits hugely despite his off-field antics; Navarro on the other hand, hasn't earned his pay-cheque since the day he arrived apart from one game against Brighton. Enough said.
COYR
I don't disagree with your view of Navarro's playing ability or of Ranger's influence on the team's performances. I deliberately used Navarro as an example because he is at the other end of the scale from Ranger. That's the whole point. One rule for journeymen players and one for stars. And if you think Ranger's worth a lot of money, regardless of his attitude towards training etc, I think you're much mistaken. He was only available to us because nobody else wanted him. If he can shed the baggage, he's Premier League - maybe even international - standard. If he carries on the way he has been, his market value will be negligible. Enough said indeed.

By the way, I didn't even think much of Navarro's performance against Brighton - but he got two goals so apparently that made him "man of the match". It's all about opinions but I do sometimes wonder whether the sponsors are watching the same game as me.

One last point. jilly is right. Hall looked like his team had just conceded a goal, not scored one, after Ranger's goal. Unless he suddenly forgot which side he was on, something is not right.
dont disagree ref navarro and the brighton match - I was just being generous in that his goals earned the win and not his overall performance. For Ranger, most fans and the players acknowledge that he makes the difference on the pitch. No matter what his off-field attitude, when it comes to doing the business on the pitch, that is what matters, which is why the players asked for him to remain, albeit probably reluctantly, but I shouldn't imagine for one moment he will get another chance. George Best was a flawed diamond and arguably a lot more trouble than Ranger has been, but there isn't a supporter in the land who wouldn't have had him in their team!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.[/p][/quote]That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]plus the difference between those two players is that Ranger is worth the £££s because he consistently does the business on the pitch to which the club / team benefits hugely despite his off-field antics; Navarro on the other hand, hasn't earned his pay-cheque since the day he arrived apart from one game against Brighton. Enough said. COYR[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with your view of Navarro's playing ability or of Ranger's influence on the team's performances. I deliberately used Navarro as an example because he is at the other end of the scale from Ranger. That's the whole point. One rule for journeymen players and one for stars. And if you think Ranger's worth a lot of money, regardless of his attitude towards training etc, I think you're much mistaken. He was only available to us because nobody else wanted him. If he can shed the baggage, he's Premier League - maybe even international - standard. If he carries on the way he has been, his market value will be negligible. Enough said indeed. By the way, I didn't even think much of Navarro's performance against Brighton - but he got two goals so apparently that made him "man of the match". It's all about opinions but I do sometimes wonder whether the sponsors are watching the same game as me. One last point. jilly is right. Hall looked like his team had just conceded a goal, not scored one, after Ranger's goal. Unless he suddenly forgot which side he was on, something is not right.[/p][/quote]dont disagree ref navarro and the brighton match - I was just being generous in that his goals earned the win and not his overall performance. For Ranger, most fans and the players acknowledge that he makes the difference on the pitch. No matter what his off-field attitude, when it comes to doing the business on the pitch, that is what matters, which is why the players asked for him to remain, albeit probably reluctantly, but I shouldn't imagine for one moment he will get another chance. George Best was a flawed diamond and arguably a lot more trouble than Ranger has been, but there isn't a supporter in the land who wouldn't have had him in their team! MITTED
  • Score: 2

3:19pm Mon 13 Jan 14

sadgit says...

To be fair Halls' reaction to conceding a goal is much the same.
To be fair Halls' reaction to conceding a goal is much the same. sadgit
  • Score: 2

3:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!!
Strange den I would rather have ranger than that bigger waster Navarro anyday, even tho I don't condone what he does.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.[/p][/quote]That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Strange den I would rather have ranger than that bigger waster Navarro anyday, even tho I don't condone what he does. smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

3:51pm Mon 13 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

alynsmith wrote:
It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment.
My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.
Nile has made a statement to the fans he played he score and we all won what's the problem?that was also a massive statement to cooper and power, ginola, Anderton and king didn't train much but would leave them out?
Get real it's a results driven game now
[quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment. My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.[/p][/quote]Nile has made a statement to the fans he played he score and we all won what's the problem?that was also a massive statement to cooper and power, ginola, Anderton and king didn't train much but would leave them out? Get real it's a results driven game now smirg kcab
  • Score: 1

4:27pm Mon 13 Jan 14

LeGod says...

just heard on the radio his rape case has been deferred now until late February as opposed to January 23rd so maybe the prosecution require more evidence as their case isnt cut and dried who knows.
just heard on the radio his rape case has been deferred now until late February as opposed to January 23rd so maybe the prosecution require more evidence as their case isnt cut and dried who knows. LeGod
  • Score: 3

5:02pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

LeGod wrote:
just heard on the radio his rape case has been deferred now until late February as opposed to January 23rd so maybe the prosecution require more evidence as their case isnt cut and dried who knows.
Hi LeGod yes heard this also put back to 24th Feb which means we have him a little longer. Lets all pray the guy keeps his head down and turns up for training as he proved how valuable to this team he was on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: just heard on the radio his rape case has been deferred now until late February as opposed to January 23rd so maybe the prosecution require more evidence as their case isnt cut and dried who knows.[/p][/quote]Hi LeGod yes heard this also put back to 24th Feb which means we have him a little longer. Lets all pray the guy keeps his head down and turns up for training as he proved how valuable to this team he was on Saturday. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 4

5:03pm Mon 13 Jan 14

the don69 says...

smirg kcab wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!!
Strange den I would rather have ranger than that bigger waster Navarro anyday, even tho I don't condone what he does.
Nile does what he wants Grim! must be a nightmare to manage,but as Alan Shearer said of him the lads got talent and should be England's centre forward in the future IF he knuckles down and works hard and that's a very BIG if!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.[/p][/quote]That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Strange den I would rather have ranger than that bigger waster Navarro anyday, even tho I don't condone what he does.[/p][/quote]Nile does what he wants Grim! must be a nightmare to manage,but as Alan Shearer said of him the lads got talent and should be England's centre forward in the future IF he knuckles down and works hard and that's a very BIG if!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 2

5:10pm Mon 13 Jan 14

dazzastfc says...

As soon as rangers court case it over he will be back 2 his old ways..
THATS IF HES NOT DOING PORRIDGE THAT IS...

The only reason why he has said sorry is because it looks better for him when he is IN COURT....

BUT AS LONG AS HE KEEPS SCORING THE GOALS IM HAPPY
As soon as rangers court case it over he will be back 2 his old ways.. THATS IF HES NOT DOING PORRIDGE THAT IS... The only reason why he has said sorry is because it looks better for him when he is IN COURT.... BUT AS LONG AS HE KEEPS SCORING THE GOALS IM HAPPY dazzastfc
  • Score: -3

5:11pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Cooper needs points to be a success, a massive statement by him hats off to all involved,
I pay my money to watch a team and do their best on the pitch, what goes on behind the dressing room and board level I couldn't give a tosss.
Keep up the good work Nile and please don't let us down again, your to talented to throw it all away.
Bang on Grim buddy, first and foremost this is a results business and Nile Ranger helps us get results and that is a huge FACT like it or not. Every fan I spoke to Saturday were amazed but totally elated he was still here and playing. Not one person can argue with what he does on the pitch for sure.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Cooper needs points to be a success, a massive statement by him hats off to all involved, I pay my money to watch a team and do their best on the pitch, what goes on behind the dressing room and board level I couldn't give a tosss. Keep up the good work Nile and please don't let us down again, your to talented to throw it all away.[/p][/quote]Bang on Grim buddy, first and foremost this is a results business and Nile Ranger helps us get results and that is a huge FACT like it or not. Every fan I spoke to Saturday were amazed but totally elated he was still here and playing. Not one person can argue with what he does on the pitch for sure. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 2

5:16pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

For What It's Worth..... wrote:
jillyh wrote:
London Red wrote: Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad . Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question! . As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him . So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him . Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan!
But do the squad really want him - did anyone notice Hall's reaction to his goal. If not it's worth a look as I think it sums up what could be a potential dressing room breakdown. In the pre-match interviews with Cooper and Power, one said he apologised to him whilst the other said the team asked the manager to include him. Hence my concerns.
According to Wes its unanimous!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/25

711412
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Even if Hall is not happy - should one loanee make the decision? Or should the majority of the squad decide - especially the STFC players!
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Ranger was completely mobbed by the rest of the team - and that is what speaks volumes to me - they clearly want him about!
Might be that Hall has a small todger and Mr Ranger takes the pee out of him and is hung like a baboon himself. Or could be another reason I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]For What It's Worth.....[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jillyh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Some were saying the main reasons for getting rid was the effect on the squad . Well they asked for him to stay and totally mobbed him when he scored - so think that answers that question! . As Cooper said they were not happy about it - but know we are better with him - if they want 5th or 6th and potentially Championship football then they have more chance with him than without him . So be it at STFC or elsewhere their careers (as most are young) is going to be linked to him . Now lets go into the POs tomorrow and "secure" the spot by end of Jan![/p][/quote]But do the squad really want him - did anyone notice Hall's reaction to his goal. If not it's worth a look as I think it sums up what could be a potential dressing room breakdown. In the pre-match interviews with Cooper and Power, one said he apologised to him whilst the other said the team asked the manager to include him. Hence my concerns.[/p][/quote]According to Wes its unanimous! . http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 711412 . Even if Hall is not happy - should one loanee make the decision? Or should the majority of the squad decide - especially the STFC players! . Ranger was completely mobbed by the rest of the team - and that is what speaks volumes to me - they clearly want him about![/p][/quote]Might be that Hall has a small todger and Mr Ranger takes the pee out of him and is hung like a baboon himself. Or could be another reason I suppose. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Mon 13 Jan 14

MidlandRobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
Off topic...

Just seen Mr.Clarke has handed in a transfer request at Coventry, interesting.

Again another club where he thinks he's better than he is! Arrogant Sh!t.

MR
Can't see that asking for a transfer makes someone arrogant. Good player and he probably is better than this level.
Really? I think he'd struggle in the Championship, he's a good player at this level but I think he'd be a nobody in the Championship. He'd be dead weight in that league. His QPR career is an indicator of my opinion.

MR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Off topic... Just seen Mr.Clarke has handed in a transfer request at Coventry, interesting. Again another club where he thinks he's better than he is! Arrogant Sh!t. MR[/p][/quote]Can't see that asking for a transfer makes someone arrogant. Good player and he probably is better than this level.[/p][/quote]Really? I think he'd struggle in the Championship, he's a good player at this level but I think he'd be a nobody in the Championship. He'd be dead weight in that league. His QPR career is an indicator of my opinion. MR MidlandRobin
  • Score: 2

5:17pm Mon 13 Jan 14

MidlandRobin says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
MidlandRobin wrote:
Off topic...

Just seen Mr.Clarke has handed in a transfer request at Coventry, interesting.

Again another club where he thinks he's better than he is! Arrogant Sh!t.

MR
Can't see that asking for a transfer makes someone arrogant. Good player and he probably is better than this level.
Really? I think he'd struggle in the Championship, he's a good player at this level but I think he'd be a nobody in the Championship. He'd be dead weight in that league. His QPR career is an indicator of my opinion.

MR
and Sheffield Wednesday and Wolverhampton etc etc
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: Off topic... Just seen Mr.Clarke has handed in a transfer request at Coventry, interesting. Again another club where he thinks he's better than he is! Arrogant Sh!t. MR[/p][/quote]Can't see that asking for a transfer makes someone arrogant. Good player and he probably is better than this level.[/p][/quote]Really? I think he'd struggle in the Championship, he's a good player at this level but I think he'd be a nobody in the Championship. He'd be dead weight in that league. His QPR career is an indicator of my opinion. MR[/p][/quote]and Sheffield Wednesday and Wolverhampton etc etc MidlandRobin
  • Score: 2

5:24pm Mon 13 Jan 14

dazzastfc says...

smirg kcab wrote:
alynsmith wrote:
It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment.
My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.
Nile has made a statement to the fans he played he score and we all won what's the problem?that was also a massive statement to cooper and power, ginola, Anderton and king didn't train much but would leave them out?
Get real it's a results driven game now
Even thou I think Ranger wont change You are spot on as it is all about winning and the resy of what goes on means jack....

WE WON,,,WE GOT THE 3 POINTS and thats what it is all about,,,
Fairplay to ya smirg kcab
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment. My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.[/p][/quote]Nile has made a statement to the fans he played he score and we all won what's the problem?that was also a massive statement to cooper and power, ginola, Anderton and king didn't train much but would leave them out? Get real it's a results driven game now[/p][/quote]Even thou I think Ranger wont change You are spot on as it is all about winning and the resy of what goes on means jack.... WE WON,,,WE GOT THE 3 POINTS and thats what it is all about,,, Fairplay to ya smirg kcab dazzastfc
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

The Town End have given us the song " He does what he wants with Di Canio and now have sung the song to Nile Ranger and the obvious similarities are that both parties are bad boys but get us results. Good on the Town End keep it up I say.
The Town End have given us the song " He does what he wants with Di Canio and now have sung the song to Nile Ranger and the obvious similarities are that both parties are bad boys but get us results. Good on the Town End keep it up I say. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 4

5:47pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
MITTED wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!!
plus the difference between those two players is that Ranger is worth the £££s because he consistently does the business on the pitch to which the club / team benefits hugely despite his off-field antics; Navarro on the other hand, hasn't earned his pay-cheque since the day he arrived apart from one game against Brighton. Enough said. COYR
I don't disagree with your view of Navarro's playing ability or of Ranger's influence on the team's performances. I deliberately used Navarro as an example because he is at the other end of the scale from Ranger. That's the whole point. One rule for journeymen players and one for stars. And if you think Ranger's worth a lot of money, regardless of his attitude towards training etc, I think you're much mistaken. He was only available to us because nobody else wanted him. If he can shed the baggage, he's Premier League - maybe even international - standard. If he carries on the way he has been, his market value will be negligible. Enough said indeed. By the way, I didn't even think much of Navarro's performance against Brighton - but he got two goals so apparently that made him "man of the match". It's all about opinions but I do sometimes wonder whether the sponsors are watching the same game as me. One last point. jilly is right. Hall looked like his team had just conceded a goal, not scored one, after Ranger's goal. Unless he suddenly forgot which side he was on, something is not right.
Den, probably a bad player to use for a comparison as Navarro's injuries probably mean he has attended fewer training sessions than Ranger.

Also, if he had been fit, he may have gone AWOL as well :-)

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.[/p][/quote]That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]plus the difference between those two players is that Ranger is worth the £££s because he consistently does the business on the pitch to which the club / team benefits hugely despite his off-field antics; Navarro on the other hand, hasn't earned his pay-cheque since the day he arrived apart from one game against Brighton. Enough said. COYR[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with your view of Navarro's playing ability or of Ranger's influence on the team's performances. I deliberately used Navarro as an example because he is at the other end of the scale from Ranger. That's the whole point. One rule for journeymen players and one for stars. And if you think Ranger's worth a lot of money, regardless of his attitude towards training etc, I think you're much mistaken. He was only available to us because nobody else wanted him. If he can shed the baggage, he's Premier League - maybe even international - standard. If he carries on the way he has been, his market value will be negligible. Enough said indeed. By the way, I didn't even think much of Navarro's performance against Brighton - but he got two goals so apparently that made him "man of the match". It's all about opinions but I do sometimes wonder whether the sponsors are watching the same game as me. One last point. jilly is right. Hall looked like his team had just conceded a goal, not scored one, after Ranger's goal. Unless he suddenly forgot which side he was on, something is not right.[/p][/quote]Den, probably a bad player to use for a comparison as Navarro's injuries probably mean he has attended fewer training sessions than Ranger. Also, if he had been fit, he may have gone AWOL as well :-) COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

5:52pm Mon 13 Jan 14

ging999 says...

LeGod wrote:
just heard on the radio his rape case has been deferred now until late February as opposed to January 23rd so maybe the prosecution require more evidence as their case isnt cut and dried who knows.
............or the defence needs more time. Let's hope that you version is the correct one.
I'm not a lawyer so have no idea on what grounds a case can be postponed.
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: just heard on the radio his rape case has been deferred now until late February as opposed to January 23rd so maybe the prosecution require more evidence as their case isnt cut and dried who knows.[/p][/quote]............or the defence needs more time. Let's hope that you version is the correct one. I'm not a lawyer so have no idea on what grounds a case can be postponed. ging999
  • Score: 0

6:32pm Mon 13 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

One reason may be because the judge pencilled in to hear the case might still be involved in one that has "over-ran" it's expected end date or that certain other legal counsel are "unavailable"
I doubt it's for either side to prepare more, they've surely had enough time since the charge was laid I would have thought - even if legal wheels do turn incredibly slowly sometimes. Just my thoughts I don't pretend to know any more than anyone else.
One reason may be because the judge pencilled in to hear the case might still be involved in one that has "over-ran" it's expected end date or that certain other legal counsel are "unavailable" I doubt it's for either side to prepare more, they've surely had enough time since the charge was laid I would have thought - even if legal wheels do turn incredibly slowly sometimes. Just my thoughts I don't pretend to know any more than anyone else. The Jockster
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6:33pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

smirg kcab wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!!
Strange den I would rather have ranger than that bigger waster Navarro anyday, even tho I don't condone what he does.
Come off it grim. You know that's not the point. Based on football ability, any Town fan would rather have Ranger than Navarro. If Navarro is a waster, you may have point. But I thought he was just an injury prone player without much talent.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.[/p][/quote]That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Strange den I would rather have ranger than that bigger waster Navarro anyday, even tho I don't condone what he does.[/p][/quote]Come off it grim. You know that's not the point. Based on football ability, any Town fan would rather have Ranger than Navarro. If Navarro is a waster, you may have point. But I thought he was just an injury prone player without much talent. Oi Den!
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6:41pm Mon 13 Jan 14

dazzastfc says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
The Town End have given us the song " He does what he wants with Di Canio and now have sung the song to Nile Ranger and the obvious similarities are that both parties are bad boys but get us results. Good on the Town End keep it up I say.
TOP POST....
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: The Town End have given us the song " He does what he wants with Di Canio and now have sung the song to Nile Ranger and the obvious similarities are that both parties are bad boys but get us results. Good on the Town End keep it up I say.[/p][/quote]TOP POST.... dazzastfc
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6:50pm Mon 13 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!!
Strange den I would rather have ranger than that bigger waster Navarro anyday, even tho I don't condone what he does.
Come off it grim. You know that's not the point. Based on football ability, any Town fan would rather have Ranger than Navarro. If Navarro is a waster, you may have point. But I thought he was just an injury prone player without much talent.
Sorry den posted before I read your latter post.
Apologies
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.[/p][/quote]That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Strange den I would rather have ranger than that bigger waster Navarro anyday, even tho I don't condone what he does.[/p][/quote]Come off it grim. You know that's not the point. Based on football ability, any Town fan would rather have Ranger than Navarro. If Navarro is a waster, you may have point. But I thought he was just an injury prone player without much talent.[/p][/quote]Sorry den posted before I read your latter post. Apologies smirg kcab
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6:55pm Mon 13 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

the don69 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.
That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!!
Strange den I would rather have ranger than that bigger waster Navarro anyday, even tho I don't condone what he does.
Nile does what he wants Grim! must be a nightmare to manage,but as Alan Shearer said of him the lads got talent and should be England's centre forward in the future IF he knuckles down and works hard and that's a very BIG if!!!!!!!!
Just hope as we all do the penny drops,if shearer said that then a bigger fool than I thought, saying that'll with woy of the wovers in charge perhaps me and you could get in, well you ?
Think rangers quality but not a shadow of Ol Charlie boy
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: There seems to be a general consensus that it's right to have different rules for Ranger because he's a star player. If Alan Navarro (for instance) had been disrespecting the club the way Ranger has, he would have been out of the door long ago and nobody would have quibbled about it. We've set a dangerous precedent. Ranger is a marvellous footballer but the only way this decision can be justified is if he really has decided to be a proper member of the squad. We'll see.[/p][/quote]That's life Den! how many chances did Besty,Gazza and Maradona get? seems you can take the p1ss when your very good and it's bye-bye if your not!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Strange den I would rather have ranger than that bigger waster Navarro anyday, even tho I don't condone what he does.[/p][/quote]Nile does what he wants Grim! must be a nightmare to manage,but as Alan Shearer said of him the lads got talent and should be England's centre forward in the future IF he knuckles down and works hard and that's a very BIG if!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Just hope as we all do the penny drops,if shearer said that then a bigger fool than I thought, saying that'll with woy of the wovers in charge perhaps me and you could get in, well you ? Think rangers quality but not a shadow of Ol Charlie boy smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

7:08pm Mon 13 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

Get Leon Clarke he had handed in a transfer request
Get Leon Clarke he had handed in a transfer request smirg kcab
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7:30pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

No probs grim - and I'm with you on Clarke and Austin.
No probs grim - and I'm with you on Clarke and Austin. Oi Den!
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7:47pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Get Leon Clarke he had handed in a transfer request
I'd have him back any day we all have to remember that most of us sided with Di Canio at the time when he had that spat and Di Canio could do no wrong at that moment. Leon Clarke should still be here and I just wonder if last season we would had got promoted with him.
On another matter I feel Branco has probably given Cooper a massive headache as he and Ward looked very good Saturday with Wardy back to his best but Branco was possibly MOM with only Ranger able to contest that. Branco looked a fantastic defender and so cool and made 3 or 4 vital challenges that saved our bacon. It has to be them two to start tomorrow night but felt Hall was all at sea at left back so need Byrne back there. Has to be 3 points against the bottom team tomorrow surely.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Get Leon Clarke he had handed in a transfer request[/p][/quote]I'd have him back any day we all have to remember that most of us sided with Di Canio at the time when he had that spat and Di Canio could do no wrong at that moment. Leon Clarke should still be here and I just wonder if last season we would had got promoted with him. On another matter I feel Branco has probably given Cooper a massive headache as he and Ward looked very good Saturday with Wardy back to his best but Branco was possibly MOM with only Ranger able to contest that. Branco looked a fantastic defender and so cool and made 3 or 4 vital challenges that saved our bacon. It has to be them two to start tomorrow night but felt Hall was all at sea at left back so need Byrne back there. Has to be 3 points against the bottom team tomorrow surely. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 2

8:27pm Mon 13 Jan 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

MITTED wrote:
alynsmith wrote:
Penhill54 wrote:
alynsmith wrote:
It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment.
My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.
I think trhat due to his impending case, he is not allowed to speak to the media, regardless of what it is about. I could be wrong but he has never, to my knowledge, been interviewed since he joined us.
It's a shame that he can't even release a general statement which would be totally unrelated to his court case.
Regarding another positing - I think Mark Cooper did the right thing by talking to experienced managers about the situation - he is still young and learning the profession and so far doing well here now he has settled at a club, he has made mistakes in the past, and in this day and age mistakes can be very costly to a manager's future but I think the effort he has put in is admirable. In general - pleasing all of the people (fans) all of the time can only be done with constant good results - anyone who thought that was going to happen this season is not in the real world.
Ranger was put forward for a post-match interview a few weeks back on the understanding that the journalists did not mention the pending court case, to which they all agreed. As soon as the microphone went live, the first interviewer asked about the court case! A club official immediately stopped the interview and the media has not been trusted since. A shame said journalist couldn't control himself, because I am sure most of us would like to hear Ranger talking about on the pitch activities.
COYR
As Ranger was voted mom on Saturday I had a chance to meet and speak to him. Have to say he actually came across decent and was polite to all of the fans and kids who wanted pictures and autographs.
As well as sincere when people were praising his performance.

Only he can sort his head out now and hope he changes. For sure we are better with him in the team. Come on Nile you are a lucky boy blessed with the skills to earn a living out of football. Don't throw your chance away.
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Penhill54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: It's a tricky one... personally I would think a statement from Nile to the fans regarding his situation at Swindon and how much he actually wants to be here and play is overdue. It may help to smooth things over and show his commitment. My personal feeling is that I am happy where Swindon are in the league as this season was destined to be a hard one and the need to dig in to this position with 4 or 5 more good results will mean a more relaxed last couple of months and I feel sure that once the tension is lifted from this team and manager, we will play much better, win games convincingly rather than scrape results - which I am not knocking - a win is a win - but we would all love them to be playing the kind of football we know they have the skill and flair to do.[/p][/quote]I think trhat due to his impending case, he is not allowed to speak to the media, regardless of what it is about. I could be wrong but he has never, to my knowledge, been interviewed since he joined us.[/p][/quote]It's a shame that he can't even release a general statement which would be totally unrelated to his court case. Regarding another positing - I think Mark Cooper did the right thing by talking to experienced managers about the situation - he is still young and learning the profession and so far doing well here now he has settled at a club, he has made mistakes in the past, and in this day and age mistakes can be very costly to a manager's future but I think the effort he has put in is admirable. In general - pleasing all of the people (fans) all of the time can only be done with constant good results - anyone who thought that was going to happen this season is not in the real world.[/p][/quote]Ranger was put forward for a post-match interview a few weeks back on the understanding that the journalists did not mention the pending court case, to which they all agreed. As soon as the microphone went live, the first interviewer asked about the court case! A club official immediately stopped the interview and the media has not been trusted since. A shame said journalist couldn't control himself, because I am sure most of us would like to hear Ranger talking about on the pitch activities. COYR[/p][/quote]As Ranger was voted mom on Saturday I had a chance to meet and speak to him. Have to say he actually came across decent and was polite to all of the fans and kids who wanted pictures and autographs. As well as sincere when people were praising his performance. Only he can sort his head out now and hope he changes. For sure we are better with him in the team. Come on Nile you are a lucky boy blessed with the skills to earn a living out of football. Don't throw your chance away. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 4

9:15pm Mon 13 Jan 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Duke wondered where you were? They seek him here they seek him there. Oh he's in with the prawn sandwich brigade....

Ranger has been done to death so won't add any more. Feel Navaro is getting an almighty kicking in these threads. Yes he's on loads of money but that's not his fault, doubt he's played for us fully fit. He'll be off when his contract is done just feel its over the top on him.

On the game Saturday. Branco was very good, but word of warning watching the back line both him and Wardy were guilty of dropping off independently, breaking the line. Wardy gave Branco some opportunities to us his pace to get them out if jail. Just an observation that hopefully they can work on. That said very happy for Branco who looked good.

As good as Ranger was I'd still like to see him start the defending from the front and I feel Pritch', Massimo & Massimo lack a certain urgency in closing down too. Again just an observation that worries me a bit. That said I felt every time we got the ball we could score so quietly optimistic.

Ps Power huge rik banning the adver. Have a word with yourself, you've done so much good but that's petty for sure.
Duke wondered where you were? They seek him here they seek him there. Oh he's in with the prawn sandwich brigade.... Ranger has been done to death so won't add any more. Feel Navaro is getting an almighty kicking in these threads. Yes he's on loads of money but that's not his fault, doubt he's played for us fully fit. He'll be off when his contract is done just feel its over the top on him. On the game Saturday. Branco was very good, but word of warning watching the back line both him and Wardy were guilty of dropping off independently, breaking the line. Wardy gave Branco some opportunities to us his pace to get them out if jail. Just an observation that hopefully they can work on. That said very happy for Branco who looked good. As good as Ranger was I'd still like to see him start the defending from the front and I feel Pritch', Massimo & Massimo lack a certain urgency in closing down too. Again just an observation that worries me a bit. That said I felt every time we got the ball we could score so quietly optimistic. Ps Power huge rik banning the adver. Have a word with yourself, you've done so much good but that's petty for sure. dreamofacleansheet2
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