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Councillor bids to stop £70,000 cut to dial a ride funding

Swindon Advertiser: Nadine Watts Nadine Watts

A WAR is being waged against a proposal to cut £70,000 from Swindon Council’s community transport budget, which Labour says will impact on the Dial a Ride service.

In the budget proposals for 2013/14, the council suggested a reduction in the community transport subsidy of around £70,000 as the contract for the service, currently held by Swindon Dial A Ride, went out to tender for renewal in the autumn.

The charity currently receives more than £286,000 a year from the council, supplemented by fundraising efforts, and has between 15 and 25 volunteers. The service is for any individual within the borough who is unable to use conventional public transport due to disability.

Coun Nadine Watts (Lab, Old Town) is bringing a motion to the next full council on Thursday which opposes the proposed budget cut.

She said: “I am moving this motion to ask the Conservative group to reconsider their proposal to cut the Dial a Ride service by £70,000. This will be a great opportunity for all councillors to discuss the impact the cut will have on the Dial a Ride service and to discuss the benefits of Swindon Dial a Ride running this service rather than another transport provider.

“This meeting will also be a great opportunity for Swindon Dial a Ride friends and users to come along and hear their councillors’ views.

“I am not persuaded that the cut the Conservative Group are proposing won’t have an impact on the service Dial a Ride currently provides. And, for me, no other transport provider could deliver the same quality of service to disabled and elderly users as Swindon Dial a Ride.”

Dial a Ride provides four core services, which include a pre-booking, door-to-door bus service, wheelchair accessible, around the borough, and a door-to-door taxi-type service, wheelchair accessible, to any location within mainland UK.

Additional services include group transport hire, where groups like the Scouts can hire a wheelchair accessible minibus, a wheelchair-accessible car for self-drive hire, as well as the provision of a free minibus driver awareness scheme to drivers wishing hire a vehicle.

Coun David Renard, deputy leader of the council, has denounced the motion as an irresponsible scare tactic to hide financial incompetence.

He said: “This motion is factually incorrect. The budget proposal is not to cut the Dial a Ride service; it affects only some ancillary services that could be provided commercially. The Labour opposition is playing the politics of fear by trying to scare people with things that are not going to happen.

“The Labour opposition is not being honest with the people of Swindon. “Our budget challenge as a council was to save £15m for the 2013/14 budget. On this, the real task, the opposition has nothing to say.”

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10:00am Sat 12 Jan 13

Morsey says...

About time someone took a stand against the Tory's anti-public money support stampede on any issues affecting the elderly and poorest.
About time someone took a stand against the Tory's anti-public money support stampede on any issues affecting the elderly and poorest. Morsey
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10:56am Sat 12 Jan 13

StillPav says...

Does anyone know the average cost of one dial-a-ride passenger journey?
Does anyone know the average cost of one dial-a-ride passenger journey? StillPav
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11:14am Sat 12 Jan 13

Tim Newroman says...

Morsey wrote:
About time someone took a stand against the Tory's anti-public money support stampede on any issues affecting the elderly and poorest.
Yes, we should all take a stand and never again vote Labour - that way we might have some chance of avoiding these types of cuts in the future.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: About time someone took a stand against the Tory's anti-public money support stampede on any issues affecting the elderly and poorest.[/p][/quote]Yes, we should all take a stand and never again vote Labour - that way we might have some chance of avoiding these types of cuts in the future. Tim Newroman
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12:09pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Robh says...

This is the problem with everyone wanting a slice of the cake. The smaller the cake the smaller the slice.

At some time you realise that too many want a slice of the cake and have to decide who is gets a slice of the cake.

We seem to have too many organisations that expect the rate payers to finance them. We vote on policies but it seems there is an unwritten law that certain groups recieve cash regardless of the current financial situation.
This is the problem with everyone wanting a slice of the cake. The smaller the cake the smaller the slice. At some time you realise that too many want a slice of the cake and have to decide who is gets a slice of the cake. We seem to have too many organisations that expect the rate payers to finance them. We vote on policies but it seems there is an unwritten law that certain groups recieve cash regardless of the current financial situation. Robh
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1:16pm Sat 12 Jan 13

itsamess3 says...

This is a vital service for disabled persons who could not travel otherwise.
Our council could if they choose help cut the costs for them with their buying power for fuel conversions and vehicles and maintenance.
Don't forget--be thankful these operators are mainly volunteers--advice is welcome.
This is a vital service for disabled persons who could not travel otherwise. Our council could if they choose help cut the costs for them with their buying power for fuel conversions and vehicles and maintenance. Don't forget--be thankful these operators are mainly volunteers--advice is welcome. itsamess3
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9:26am Sun 13 Jan 13

The Real Librarian says...

QUOTE The Labour opposition is playing the politics of fear by trying to scare people with things that are not going to happen.“The Labour opposition is not being honest with the people of Swindon. UNQUOTE

Meanwhile in other news, the Pope has been discovered to be a Catholic.

Of course Labour are telling lies.

Thats what they do.

Of course Labour are trying to scare people.

Thats what they do.

Labour lied about the economy.
Labour lied about immigration.
Labour lied about public spending.
Labour lied about the Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction.

If they can lie about all of that, why wouldn't they lie about a local bus service.

Labour. 113 years of lies, **** lies and statistics.
QUOTE The Labour opposition is playing the politics of fear by trying to scare people with things that are not going to happen.“The Labour opposition is not being honest with the people of Swindon. UNQUOTE Meanwhile in other news, the Pope has been discovered to be a Catholic. Of course Labour are telling lies. Thats what they do. Of course Labour are trying to scare people. Thats what they do. Labour lied about the economy. Labour lied about immigration. Labour lied about public spending. Labour lied about the Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction. If they can lie about all of that, why wouldn't they lie about a local bus service. Labour. 113 years of lies, **** lies and statistics. The Real Librarian
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9:26am Sun 13 Jan 13

The Real Librarian says...

QUOTE The Labour opposition is playing the politics of fear by trying to scare people with things that are not going to happen.“The Labour opposition is not being honest with the people of Swindon. UNQUOTE

Meanwhile in other news, the Pope has been discovered to be a Catholic.

Of course Labour are telling lies.

Thats what they do.

Of course Labour are trying to scare people.

Thats what they do.

Labour lied about the economy.
Labour lied about immigration.
Labour lied about public spending.
Labour lied about the Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction.

If they can lie about all of that, why wouldn't they lie about a local bus service.

Labour. 113 years of lies, **** lies and statistics.
QUOTE The Labour opposition is playing the politics of fear by trying to scare people with things that are not going to happen.“The Labour opposition is not being honest with the people of Swindon. UNQUOTE Meanwhile in other news, the Pope has been discovered to be a Catholic. Of course Labour are telling lies. Thats what they do. Of course Labour are trying to scare people. Thats what they do. Labour lied about the economy. Labour lied about immigration. Labour lied about public spending. Labour lied about the Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction. If they can lie about all of that, why wouldn't they lie about a local bus service. Labour. 113 years of lies, **** lies and statistics. The Real Librarian
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10:14am Sun 13 Jan 13

Davey Gravey says...

The sooner the Tories are ousted the better. Labour will then have to repair their damage to public services though, just like last time.
The sooner the Tories are ousted the better. Labour will then have to repair their damage to public services though, just like last time. Davey Gravey
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10:42am Sun 13 Jan 13

dglaholm says...

Dial a ride was set up to assist those with mobility problems where public transport was not available.
Its used as a taxi service by some.
Do they charge a fair Fare??
Dial a ride was set up to assist those with mobility problems where public transport was not available. Its used as a taxi service by some. Do they charge a fair Fare?? dglaholm
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12:39pm Sun 13 Jan 13

The Real Librarian says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
The sooner the Tories are ousted the better. Labour will then have to repair their damage to public services though, just like last time.
Translation - spend too much money.

Again.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The sooner the Tories are ousted the better. Labour will then have to repair their damage to public services though, just like last time.[/p][/quote]Translation - spend too much money. Again. The Real Librarian
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1:14pm Sun 13 Jan 13

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

@Davey,

Just like the Tories are needed every few years to repair the damage to the public finances..... Just like last time.... Oh and the time before that..... And the time before that..... Have Labour ever left office with the nations finance in a reasonable state!

It time that politicians put in place a law that meant fiscal irresponsibility with the nations finance was akin to treason.

Time will tell which side is telling the truth on this one and regardless of which it is; one thing is certain the other side will neither apologise or have heads rolling.
@Davey, Just like the Tories are needed every few years to repair the damage to the public finances..... Just like last time.... Oh and the time before that..... And the time before that..... Have Labour ever left office with the nations finance in a reasonable state! It time that politicians put in place a law that meant fiscal irresponsibility with the nations finance was akin to treason. Time will tell which side is telling the truth on this one and regardless of which it is; one thing is certain the other side will neither apologise or have heads rolling. LordAshOfTheBrake
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2:11pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Russell Holland says...

We had a similar debate 2 years ago and it has come up before then see http://ww5.swindon.g
ov.uk/moderngov/ieLi
stDocuments.aspx?MId
=3899

The reality of the situation is that with increased demand for services because of demographs and social change, coupled with a decrease in funding (whoever you want to blame for that), this means the Council is under pressure to look at how it provides all of its services. Hopefully a debate can focus on the reality of the situation rather than party political arguments.
We had a similar debate 2 years ago and it has come up before then see http://ww5.swindon.g ov.uk/moderngov/ieLi stDocuments.aspx?MId =3899 The reality of the situation is that with increased demand for services because of demographs and social change, coupled with a decrease in funding (whoever you want to blame for that), this means the Council is under pressure to look at how it provides all of its services. Hopefully a debate can focus on the reality of the situation rather than party political arguments. Russell Holland
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2:27pm Sun 13 Jan 13

house on the hill says...

""""Russell Holland says...
2:11pm Sun 13 Jan 13

The reality of the situation is that with increased demand for services because of demographs and social change, coupled with a decrease in funding (whoever you want to blame for that), this means the Council is under pressure to look at how it provides all of its services. Hopefully a debate can focus on the reality of the situation rather than party political arguments.”""""

So what exactly do you mean by demographics and social change and good luck with a debate on the reality of the problem rather than the political one, that will never happen (and no I am not a cynic I am a realist who took off his rose tinted specs a long time ago!!)?
""""Russell Holland says... 2:11pm Sun 13 Jan 13 The reality of the situation is that with increased demand for services because of demographs and social change, coupled with a decrease in funding (whoever you want to blame for that), this means the Council is under pressure to look at how it provides all of its services. Hopefully a debate can focus on the reality of the situation rather than party political arguments.”"""" So what exactly do you mean by demographics and social change and good luck with a debate on the reality of the problem rather than the political one, that will never happen (and no I am not a cynic I am a realist who took off his rose tinted specs a long time ago!!)? house on the hill
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4:14pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Davey Gravey says...

The country is being taken backwards to the dark ages. Cuts to vital services that have taken years to build up(usually by labour)destroyed by the Tories. I have no allegiance to labour but they are miles better than the Tories. Luckily the latter will be ousted after 1 term.
The country is being taken backwards to the dark ages. Cuts to vital services that have taken years to build up(usually by labour)destroyed by the Tories. I have no allegiance to labour but they are miles better than the Tories. Luckily the latter will be ousted after 1 term. Davey Gravey
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4:32pm Sun 13 Jan 13

house on the hill says...

Davey thats like saying Pol Pot was miles better than Adolph Hitler. The reality is they are all sh1t and have proved it time and again.

The left "nanny state, there there" approach is unaffordable, unfair and encourages laziness and complacency as people expect the state to pick up the pieces every time something goes wrong in their lives instead of encouring people to be more responsible and accountable and the right just dont care and have no idea of living in the real world from their priviliged backgrounds!

And nearly all politicians are in it for themselves rather than the people who elected them, put all that together and thats why we have this constant mess as one side **** it up and the electorate with short memories just elect back in the other lot because "they are the better option" forgetting the mess they left behind last time.

Such a stupid system but sadly the only one we have so I dont see this recession ending anytime soon.
Davey thats like saying Pol Pot was miles better than Adolph Hitler. The reality is they are all sh1t and have proved it time and again. The left "nanny state, there there" approach is unaffordable, unfair and encourages laziness and complacency as people expect the state to pick up the pieces every time something goes wrong in their lives instead of encouring people to be more responsible and accountable and the right just dont care and have no idea of living in the real world from their priviliged backgrounds! And nearly all politicians are in it for themselves rather than the people who elected them, put all that together and thats why we have this constant mess as one side **** it up and the electorate with short memories just elect back in the other lot because "they are the better option" forgetting the mess they left behind last time. Such a stupid system but sadly the only one we have so I dont see this recession ending anytime soon. house on the hill
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5:03pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Russell Holland says...

House - demographic change is mainly taht peopel are living longer and the number of young people relative to the number of older people who potentially have more complex care needs is decreasing. Also things like changes to the traditional family mean there are additional pressures on public services.

While party political debate does oftten happen Council is sometimes able to find a compromise - at the debate 2 years ago it was me and Jim Grant who ended up proposing and seconding an agreed motion.
House - demographic change is mainly taht peopel are living longer and the number of young people relative to the number of older people who potentially have more complex care needs is decreasing. Also things like changes to the traditional family mean there are additional pressures on public services. While party political debate does oftten happen Council is sometimes able to find a compromise - at the debate 2 years ago it was me and Jim Grant who ended up proposing and seconding an agreed motion. Russell Holland
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5:38pm Sun 13 Jan 13

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

@Davey

Its all very well saying these services are vital and taking us backwards, but your not saying which ones and your not saying how you think they should be funded.

If a new political party rose up tomorrow and said everyone can have all the public services, benefits, [ub;ic sector employement (i.e. lots of not jobs or red tape jobs) etc; but to pay for it, income tax would need to be: Additional=65%, Higher=55% and basic 25%; corporation tax to be 10% higher than it currently is; and so on.

Would you vote for it? More importantly do you think everyone else would vote for across all demographics of society... ? What effect would that have on the demographics of the country etc etc etc.

Its all very well saying that cutting services is taking the country backwards, but 13 years of Labour have built up levels of debt that are staggering. Many of their policies were funded through one time sale of assets or tax raids (i.e. remember the gold we use to have, the pensions raids).

At the end of the day, the public sector and the services provided have to be funded in a sustainable way; which wasn't happening under Labour and hasn't happened in most of the western world (Europe, USA and so on) for the last 10 years.
@Davey Its all very well saying these services are vital and taking us backwards, but your not saying which ones and your not saying how you think they should be funded. If a new political party rose up tomorrow and said everyone can have all the public services, benefits, [ub;ic sector employement (i.e. lots of not jobs or red tape jobs) etc; but to pay for it, income tax would need to be: Additional=65%, Higher=55% and basic 25%; corporation tax to be 10% higher than it currently is; and so on. Would you vote for it? More importantly do you think everyone else would vote for across all demographics of society... ? What effect would that have on the demographics of the country etc etc etc. Its all very well saying that cutting services is taking the country backwards, but 13 years of Labour have built up levels of debt that are staggering. Many of their policies were funded through one time sale of assets or tax raids (i.e. remember the gold we use to have, the pensions raids). At the end of the day, the public sector and the services provided have to be funded in a sustainable way; which wasn't happening under Labour and hasn't happened in most of the western world (Europe, USA and so on) for the last 10 years. LordAshOfTheBrake
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6:22pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Fartim Poster says...

It time that politicians put in place a law that meant fiscal irresponsibility with the nations finance was akin to treason.


Yes. i'd support that.

Then we could finally see the back of Bluh, Heenan, Perkins, and all the other cabinet members that saw fit to waste our money with the likes of Rikki Hunt

I see Olive is now calling himself Neuro-man.

very appropriate
[quote] It time that politicians put in place a law that meant fiscal irresponsibility with the nations finance was akin to treason.[/quote] Yes. i'd support that. Then we could finally see the back of Bluh, Heenan, Perkins, and all the other cabinet members that saw fit to waste our money with the likes of Rikki Hunt I see Olive is now calling himself Neuro-man. very appropriate Fartim Poster
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8:22pm Sun 13 Jan 13

house on the hill says...

Thank you Russell, so what is the answer? Everyone seems to agree that problems are rising and the money to resolve them is going down but as yet I havent heard anyone say how they are going to resolve it without bankrupting the country.

Maybe instead of cutting services we need to look at 2 things that would help. Firstly making the services more efficient and value for money (sadly not somethnig the public sector is famous for) and also making the individual a bit more responsible for their own lives, housing, pensions etc. There are still millions who dont save for retirement even though they could afford to, or buy their own homes who could afford to which means they will still have housing costs to take into account when they stop earning and millions who dont look after their health and just expect the tax payer to pay for it. In reality the responsible are funding the irresponsible.

The reality is that we cant continue as we are and cutting more and more services cant go on forever as there will be nothing left to cut pretty soon. Too many people think the Govt is a bottomless pit of money to provide everything they need and must do this, that and the other for them, with no concept of how it is all paid for.

I read that more people are now net recipients of tax payers money than actually contribute, clearly that cant continue on any level! And do all the people who moan about "the rich" realise that the top 5% of earners contribute over 30% of taxable income, we cant keep going back to that well as clearly they are doing their bit already (anything else is just jealousy, you have more then me so i want some!).

So putting politics aside as you said you wanted to, how do we sort this?
Thank you Russell, so what is the answer? Everyone seems to agree that problems are rising and the money to resolve them is going down but as yet I havent heard anyone say how they are going to resolve it without bankrupting the country. Maybe instead of cutting services we need to look at 2 things that would help. Firstly making the services more efficient and value for money (sadly not somethnig the public sector is famous for) and also making the individual a bit more responsible for their own lives, housing, pensions etc. There are still millions who dont save for retirement even though they could afford to, or buy their own homes who could afford to which means they will still have housing costs to take into account when they stop earning and millions who dont look after their health and just expect the tax payer to pay for it. In reality the responsible are funding the irresponsible. The reality is that we cant continue as we are and cutting more and more services cant go on forever as there will be nothing left to cut pretty soon. Too many people think the Govt is a bottomless pit of money to provide everything they need and must do this, that and the other for them, with no concept of how it is all paid for. I read that more people are now net recipients of tax payers money than actually contribute, clearly that cant continue on any level! And do all the people who moan about "the rich" realise that the top 5% of earners contribute over 30% of taxable income, we cant keep going back to that well as clearly they are doing their bit already (anything else is just jealousy, you have more then me so i want some!). So putting politics aside as you said you wanted to, how do we sort this? house on the hill
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8:53am Mon 14 Jan 13

StillPav says...

In the link above, it states Dial-a-ride receives funding of £317,000 in 2010/2011.

If you assume an average taxi journey costs £6, the Dial-a-ride budget would buy 52,833 trips, equivalent to 144 per day.

Are you telling me Dial-a-ride have 144 passengers every day of the year?
In the link above, it states Dial-a-ride receives funding of £317,000 in 2010/2011. If you assume an average taxi journey costs £6, the Dial-a-ride budget would buy 52,833 trips, equivalent to 144 per day. Are you telling me Dial-a-ride have 144 passengers every day of the year? StillPav
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11:34am Mon 14 Jan 13

Tim Newroman says...

The Real Librarian wrote:
QUOTE The Labour opposition is playing the politics of fear by trying to scare people with things that are not going to happen.“The Labour opposition is not being honest with the people of Swindon. UNQUOT
E

Meanwhile in other news, the Pope has been discovered to be a Catholic.

Of course Labour are telling lies.

Thats what they do.

Of course Labour are trying to scare people.

Thats what they do.

Labour lied about the economy.
Labour lied about immigration.
Labour lied about public spending.
Labour lied about the Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction.

If they can lie about all of that, why wouldn't they lie about a local bus service.

Labour. 113 years of lies, **** lies and statistics.
It certainly felt like 113 years.
[quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: QUOTE The Labour opposition is playing the politics of fear by trying to scare people with things that are not going to happen.“The Labour opposition is not being honest with the people of Swindon. UNQUOT E Meanwhile in other news, the Pope has been discovered to be a Catholic. Of course Labour are telling lies. Thats what they do. Of course Labour are trying to scare people. Thats what they do. Labour lied about the economy. Labour lied about immigration. Labour lied about public spending. Labour lied about the Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction. If they can lie about all of that, why wouldn't they lie about a local bus service. Labour. 113 years of lies, **** lies and statistics.[/p][/quote]It certainly felt like 113 years. Tim Newroman
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