Green waste collections to be limited

Swindon Advertiser: Coun Jim Grant with a backlog of green waste last September Coun Jim Grant with a backlog of green waste last September

GREEN waste collections are set to be limited to four bags per household per fortnight in a bid to avoid a repeat of last year when thousands of green bags were left piled up on the streets.

But there are still issues about how the restriction will work when it comes into force in April, with Swindon Council saying there is a risk of increased flytipping of garden waste, which will only be removed where it poses an immediate risk to the environment or it is an obstruction.

In September, Coun Fion-uala Foley, cabinet member for Streetsmart and corporate services, apologised to the public after contractor Swindon Commercial Services Ltd struggled to clear a week-long backlog, which filled up its storage capacity at Waterside Park and an off-site storage facility.

The council said there had been a massive increase in the volume of garden waste needing collecting last summer, due to ideal growing conditions and a householders using the kerbside service rather than taking sacks to the Household Recycling Centre.

Tomorrow, cabinet will be asked to approve a new restriction, meaning only four bags of 90 litres maximum can be presented, with householders having to take any surplus to the House-hold Recycling Centre.

Coun Foley said four bags was sufficient for most households, and the alternative of increasing the service from four to nine rounds throughout the year would solve the problem.

But it would mean half-empty vehicles most of the year and almost double the annual costs to about £1.4m at a time the council is trying to make savings.

She said the council could not predict the periods of high demand, because it depended on the weather, so bringing in extra staff and vehicles for these periods would not produce a reliable service.

“If people think they can pile up more bags, the bags will stay there. In the main we believe four bags a fortnight is easily enough for green bags,” she said.

“It’s only when you are doing your pruning or digging out something you will have to have more than four bags, or where you have an especially large garden, in which case we hope people will look at composting.”

She admitted there might be difficulties in telling which bags were linked to which house, adding: “There will be a leaflet campaign going to houses and we’re hoping people will be responsible. We accept it’s not going to be easy.”

Coun Dave Wood (Lib Dem, Eastcott) said: “On many streets, residents leave green bags on verges or on piles, so it’s unclear which bags belong to which house.

“The inevitable result will be piles of legitimate but uncollected green bags.”

He added: "When caps were introduced in general waste this was managed by the council issuing a set number of blue bags in some areas, and wheelie bins in other areas.

“Residents providing their own green bags will allow anyone to drop their green bags outside anyone else’s house to ensure collection.

“The council's report says this is likely to cause an increase in fly-tipping, but also says that fly-tipping that is not unsafe or unhealthy is not a council priority.

“This means dumped green waste can expect to stay there indefinitely in some cases.”

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8:11am Tue 5 Feb 13

silvergran says...

Well I'd like to know how they are going to reconcile this one where I live as everyone piles up their green bags in one spot - there's no way individual bags can be left outside the particular house!
Well I'd like to know how they are going to reconcile this one where I live as everyone piles up their green bags in one spot - there's no way individual bags can be left outside the particular house! silvergran

8:15am Tue 5 Feb 13

beach1e says...

the council have clearly lost the plot. if the council dont want to pick up the recycling which they have made a big issue of, the recycling can just be put in the regular wheelie bin for landfill.why offer a service which isnt a free service but a paid for service if they cannot provide their part of the deal?
the council have clearly lost the plot. if the council dont want to pick up the recycling which they have made a big issue of, the recycling can just be put in the regular wheelie bin for landfill.why offer a service which isnt a free service but a paid for service if they cannot provide their part of the deal? beach1e

8:28am Tue 5 Feb 13

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Ironically its green waste that goes a long way to meeting their recycling targets.

Quote "he council's report says this is likely to cause an increase in fly-tipping, but also says that fly-tipping that is not unsafe or unhealthy is not a council priority"


What a dumb thing to say.
Ironically its green waste that goes a long way to meeting their recycling targets. Quote "he council's report says this is likely to cause an increase in fly-tipping, but also says that fly-tipping that is not unsafe or unhealthy is not a council priority" What a dumb thing to say. LordAshOfTheBrake

8:36am Tue 5 Feb 13

peatmoor pirate says...

This is truly moronic; as others say, waste is not always piled outside of individual properties, but put at points in the road where it will not block drives etc. How will this be policed. Also I have never ever seen an average of 4 green bags per house put out so a) don't think it can be policied and b) wont work as it will make no difference. It will just be an excuse not to put the waste out.
SBC you have surpassed yourself with stupidity this time.
This is truly moronic; as others say, waste is not always piled outside of individual properties, but put at points in the road where it will not block drives etc. How will this be policed. Also I have never ever seen an average of 4 green bags per house put out so a) don't think it can be policied and b) wont work as it will make no difference. It will just be an excuse not to put the waste out. SBC you have surpassed yourself with stupidity this time. peatmoor pirate

8:37am Tue 5 Feb 13

peatmoor pirate says...

peatmoor pirate wrote:
This is truly moronic; as others say, waste is not always piled outside of individual properties, but put at points in the road where it will not block drives etc. How will this be policed. Also I have never ever seen an average of 4 green bags per house put out so a) don't think it can be policied and b) wont work as it will make no difference. It will just be an excuse not to put the waste out.
SBC you have surpassed yourself with stupidity this time.
Sorry that should have read an excuse not to collect the waste.
[quote][p][bold]peatmoor pirate[/bold] wrote: This is truly moronic; as others say, waste is not always piled outside of individual properties, but put at points in the road where it will not block drives etc. How will this be policed. Also I have never ever seen an average of 4 green bags per house put out so a) don't think it can be policied and b) wont work as it will make no difference. It will just be an excuse not to put the waste out. SBC you have surpassed yourself with stupidity this time.[/p][/quote]Sorry that should have read an excuse not to collect the waste. peatmoor pirate

9:08am Tue 5 Feb 13

Bobfm , says...

If green waste fly tipping isn't a priority, I propose anyone dissatisfied should dump their green waste on Cllr Foley's street. Wonder if it would stay a non-priority then?
If green waste fly tipping isn't a priority, I propose anyone dissatisfied should dump their green waste on Cllr Foley's street. Wonder if it would stay a non-priority then? Bobfm ,

9:30am Tue 5 Feb 13

PaulD says...

absolutely daft. Even in streets where bags are placed out individually, they can easily be spread across the frontages of different houses.

Unenforceable and unworkable
absolutely daft. Even in streets where bags are placed out individually, they can easily be spread across the frontages of different houses. Unenforceable and unworkable PaulD

9:56am Tue 5 Feb 13

Tim Newroman says...

Time to privatise refuse collection and cut our council tax bills by about 80%, as I'm still not sure what else we actually get in return for being forced to pay it.
Time to privatise refuse collection and cut our council tax bills by about 80%, as I'm still not sure what else we actually get in return for being forced to pay it. Tim Newroman

10:16am Tue 5 Feb 13

Morsey says...

How badly thought out, total incompetence!

So everyone has a vehicle to clog up the routes to the tip and queue for an hour in the high-green waste times do they? That's good for the environment, 'eh? What about those who do not have transport, but have more than four bags a fortnight during the bust growth period?

Composting is proving to be causing a rat problem in Swindon as it is and many people, myself included, have to get rid of composting bins as the Council do not have an adequate pest control service anymore in public places and they are multiplying into gardens more and more from paths and hedges . Bright ideas 'ey?

Sometimes the green waste is not collected on time, it is understandable, and if you have a green garden and not one covered in concrete and stones (easy way out?), there will always be peaks and troughs.

What will come out next from this totally inept Council ... encourage the unemployed to work at times of demand ... volunteers, that's the usual Tory ploy ... work for nowt, so why not when there are more green bags to shift?

And there's talk of Council Tax increases?
How badly thought out, total incompetence! So everyone has a vehicle to clog up the routes to the tip and queue for an hour in the high-green waste times do they? That's good for the environment, 'eh? What about those who do not have transport, but have more than four bags a fortnight during the bust growth period? Composting is proving to be causing a rat problem in Swindon as it is and many people, myself included, have to get rid of composting bins as the Council do not have an adequate pest control service anymore in public places and they are multiplying into gardens more and more from paths and hedges . Bright ideas 'ey? Sometimes the green waste is not collected on time, it is understandable, and if you have a green garden and not one covered in concrete and stones (easy way out?), there will always be peaks and troughs. What will come out next from this totally inept Council ... encourage the unemployed to work at times of demand ... volunteers, that's the usual Tory ploy ... work for nowt, so why not when there are more green bags to shift? And there's talk of Council Tax increases? Morsey

10:48am Tue 5 Feb 13

candid friend says...

Another crazy saving from the party that gave us WiFi etc.
All this will do is encourage flytipping or the insertion of green waste into the wheelie bin.
Are they going to empty out every wheelie bin to see what is in it?
The naive councillor responsible for this should be replaced.
Another crazy saving from the party that gave us WiFi etc. All this will do is encourage flytipping or the insertion of green waste into the wheelie bin. Are they going to empty out every wheelie bin to see what is in it? The naive councillor responsible for this should be replaced. candid friend

10:53am Tue 5 Feb 13

Ricky1 says...

Another Council **** up... but I will be glad if they collect my green waste once a fortnight because to date they never come round to get it. (North Swindon) No wonder its left out for weeks on end; they just don't bother to collect. Even when you ring up to complain you don't get it collected. Mine will continue to be put in the dustbin, unless the Council do as promised and pick it up.
Another Council **** up... but I will be glad if they collect my green waste once a fortnight because to date they never come round to get it. (North Swindon) No wonder its left out for weeks on end; they just don't bother to collect. Even when you ring up to complain you don't get it collected. Mine will continue to be put in the dustbin, unless the Council do as promised and pick it up. Ricky1

11:02am Tue 5 Feb 13

Davey Gravey says...

Double the collections during busy periods,utilize staff elsewhere when not needed. Simple. Just like the disgraceful abandonment of cutting the grass regularly the council are letting is down again. I note they still allow the destruction of healthy mature trees that should be left alone though.
Double the collections during busy periods,utilize staff elsewhere when not needed. Simple. Just like the disgraceful abandonment of cutting the grass regularly the council are letting is down again. I note they still allow the destruction of healthy mature trees that should be left alone though. Davey Gravey

1:28pm Tue 5 Feb 13

house on the hill says...

""Davey Gravey says...
11:02am Tue 5 Feb 13

Double the collections during busy periods,utilize staff elsewhere when not needed. Simple. Just like the disgraceful abandonment of cutting the grass regularly the council are letting is down again. I note they still allow the destruction of healthy mature trees that should be left alone though.”""

Really good idea but it involves lateral thinking and joined up working, 2 things the council are not famous for. It does beg the question as to what exactly we are being forced by law to pay for!
""Davey Gravey says... 11:02am Tue 5 Feb 13 Double the collections during busy periods,utilize staff elsewhere when not needed. Simple. Just like the disgraceful abandonment of cutting the grass regularly the council are letting is down again. I note they still allow the destruction of healthy mature trees that should be left alone though.”"" Really good idea but it involves lateral thinking and joined up working, 2 things the council are not famous for. It does beg the question as to what exactly we are being forced by law to pay for! house on the hill

2:04pm Tue 5 Feb 13

StillPav says...

It's not as if people will be putting out four bags of green waste every fortnight for the whole summer.

Most people will put out a large number of bags once and then nothing for the next three months.

As someone else said, if the council cannot handle these peaks and troughs in demand, they should outsource to a private sector company who can.
It's not as if people will be putting out four bags of green waste every fortnight for the whole summer. Most people will put out a large number of bags once and then nothing for the next three months. As someone else said, if the council cannot handle these peaks and troughs in demand, they should outsource to a private sector company who can. StillPav

2:24pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Bobfm , says...

StillPav wrote:
It's not as if people will be putting out four bags of green waste every fortnight for the whole summer.

Most people will put out a large number of bags once and then nothing for the next three months.

As someone else said, if the council cannot handle these peaks and troughs in demand, they should outsource to a private sector company who can.
Capita? God help us
[quote][p][bold]StillPav[/bold] wrote: It's not as if people will be putting out four bags of green waste every fortnight for the whole summer. Most people will put out a large number of bags once and then nothing for the next three months. As someone else said, if the council cannot handle these peaks and troughs in demand, they should outsource to a private sector company who can.[/p][/quote]Capita? God help us Bobfm ,

3:21pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Tim Newroman says...

Bobfm , wrote:
StillPav wrote:
It's not as if people will be putting out four bags of green waste every fortnight for the whole summer.

Most people will put out a large number of bags once and then nothing for the next three months.

As someone else said, if the council cannot handle these peaks and troughs in demand, they should outsource to a private sector company who can.
Capita? God help us
The mafia do a fantastic job of refuse collection in the States. A far, far better run and managed organisation than any local council in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Bobfm ,[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StillPav[/bold] wrote: It's not as if people will be putting out four bags of green waste every fortnight for the whole summer. Most people will put out a large number of bags once and then nothing for the next three months. As someone else said, if the council cannot handle these peaks and troughs in demand, they should outsource to a private sector company who can.[/p][/quote]Capita? God help us[/p][/quote]The mafia do a fantastic job of refuse collection in the States. A far, far better run and managed organisation than any local council in the UK. Tim Newroman

4:07pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Hangbrownhigh says...

This council are the worst perpetrators of green waste fly tipping in that all over West Swindon, their grass cutters leave more waste than any council tax payer. It's all over the footpaths, roads and private gardens, that's when they get round to cutting it. If this is how the council want us to behave I know where my grass cuttings are going. All over the local council owned grass bank. They won't notice the difference
This council are the worst perpetrators of green waste fly tipping in that all over West Swindon, their grass cutters leave more waste than any council tax payer. It's all over the footpaths, roads and private gardens, that's when they get round to cutting it. If this is how the council want us to behave I know where my grass cuttings are going. All over the local council owned grass bank. They won't notice the difference Hangbrownhigh

5:36pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Oik1 says...

If this is the best the council can come up with then it's time for some well overdue changes.
Remember it was the council that was trumpeting 'how we must all do our bit for re-cycling', now it's become a little bit difficult, a bit like the free clear bags for plastic bottles that we no longer get, things arn't quite so important and as for the following statement,"
“The council's report says this is likely to cause an increase in fly-tipping, but also says that fly-tipping that is not unsafe or unhealthy is not a council priority. "

What complete and utter ignorant drivel, if and when, and it will happen, fly tipped waste is sat on street corners rotting in the summer it will become a priority and the blame for that state of affairs will be placed firmly at the feet of out inept council.
If this is the best the council can come up with then it's time for some well overdue changes. Remember it was the council that was trumpeting 'how we must all do our bit for re-cycling', now it's become a little bit difficult, a bit like the free clear bags for plastic bottles that we no longer get, things arn't quite so important and as for the following statement," “The council's report says this is likely to cause an increase in fly-tipping, but also says that fly-tipping that is not unsafe or unhealthy is not a council priority. " What complete and utter ignorant drivel, if and when, and it will happen, fly tipped waste is sat on street corners rotting in the summer it will become a priority and the blame for that state of affairs will be placed firmly at the feet of out inept council. Oik1

6:03pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Bobfm , says...

Tim Newroman wrote:
Bobfm , wrote:
StillPav wrote:
It's not as if people will be putting out four bags of green waste every fortnight for the whole summer.

Most people will put out a large number of bags once and then nothing for the next three months.

As someone else said, if the council cannot handle these peaks and troughs in demand, they should outsource to a private sector company who can.
Capita? God help us
The mafia do a fantastic job of refuse collection in the States. A far, far better run and managed organisation than any local council in the UK.
What an extraordinary comment, Oliver.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Newroman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobfm ,[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StillPav[/bold] wrote: It's not as if people will be putting out four bags of green waste every fortnight for the whole summer. Most people will put out a large number of bags once and then nothing for the next three months. As someone else said, if the council cannot handle these peaks and troughs in demand, they should outsource to a private sector company who can.[/p][/quote]Capita? God help us[/p][/quote]The mafia do a fantastic job of refuse collection in the States. A far, far better run and managed organisation than any local council in the UK.[/p][/quote]What an extraordinary comment, Oliver. Bobfm ,

6:14pm Tue 5 Feb 13

TinkeyWinkey says...

Clown school have lost touch with the residents of this Borough.

Wait til they start announcing more cuts in Budgets. After all they've wasted so much of Tax Payers money on Wi-Fi, Water fountain & silly steel Contraptions shoved down side streets
Clown school have lost touch with the residents of this Borough. Wait til they start announcing more cuts in Budgets. After all they've wasted so much of Tax Payers money on Wi-Fi, Water fountain & silly steel Contraptions shoved down side streets TinkeyWinkey

7:55pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Morsey says...

Cut a million quid from the road repair budget now ... won't allow comments on that it seems?
Cut a million quid from the road repair budget now ... won't allow comments on that it seems? Morsey

10:45pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Always Grumpy says...

Morsey wrote:
Cut a million quid from the road repair budget now ... won't allow comments on that it seems?
With the current state of Swindon's roads, I'm surprised the council even had a roads budget they could reduce! They certainly haven't spent any money on the roads I drive on. It's easy to drive into some potholes and really difficult to drive back out, they are so deep
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: Cut a million quid from the road repair budget now ... won't allow comments on that it seems?[/p][/quote]With the current state of Swindon's roads, I'm surprised the council even had a roads budget they could reduce! They certainly haven't spent any money on the roads I drive on. It's easy to drive into some potholes and really difficult to drive back out, they are so deep Always Grumpy

7:48am Wed 6 Feb 13

peatmoor pirate says...

So, public opinion on this si fairly clear. Inept idea, unworkable, unenforceable. The vote is tonight. Who wants to bet they ignore this cos they know best. Remember elections are coming up folks. It's time we started kicking these idoits out of office.
So, public opinion on this si fairly clear. Inept idea, unworkable, unenforceable. The vote is tonight. Who wants to bet they ignore this cos they know best. Remember elections are coming up folks. It's time we started kicking these idoits out of office. peatmoor pirate

8:08am Wed 6 Feb 13

Tim Newroman says...

Bobfm , wrote:
Tim Newroman wrote:
Bobfm , wrote:
StillPav wrote:
It's not as if people will be putting out four bags of green waste every fortnight for the whole summer.

Most people will put out a large number of bags once and then nothing for the next three months.

As someone else said, if the council cannot handle these peaks and troughs in demand, they should outsource to a private sector company who can.
Capita? God help us
The mafia do a fantastic job of refuse collection in the States. A far, far better run and managed organisation than any local council in the UK.
What an extraordinary comment, Oliver.
Thanks, Mildred.
[quote][p][bold]Bobfm ,[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Newroman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobfm ,[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StillPav[/bold] wrote: It's not as if people will be putting out four bags of green waste every fortnight for the whole summer. Most people will put out a large number of bags once and then nothing for the next three months. As someone else said, if the council cannot handle these peaks and troughs in demand, they should outsource to a private sector company who can.[/p][/quote]Capita? God help us[/p][/quote]The mafia do a fantastic job of refuse collection in the States. A far, far better run and managed organisation than any local council in the UK.[/p][/quote]What an extraordinary comment, Oliver.[/p][/quote]Thanks, Mildred. Tim Newroman

8:10am Wed 6 Feb 13

PaulD says...

Oik1 wrote:
If this is the best the council can come up with then it's time for some well overdue changes.
Remember it was the council that was trumpeting 'how we must all do our bit for re-cycling', now it's become a little bit difficult, a bit like the free clear bags for plastic bottles that we no longer get, things arn't quite so important and as for the following statement,"
“The council's report says this is likely to cause an increase in fly-tipping, but also says that fly-tipping that is not unsafe or unhealthy is not a council priority. "

What complete and utter ignorant drivel, if and when, and it will happen, fly tipped waste is sat on street corners rotting in the summer it will become a priority and the blame for that state of affairs will be placed firmly at the feet of out inept council.
You can use any white or clear bag for plastics. We make use of the many charity bags that comer through the door. Just turn them inside-out
[quote][p][bold]Oik1[/bold] wrote: If this is the best the council can come up with then it's time for some well overdue changes. Remember it was the council that was trumpeting 'how we must all do our bit for re-cycling', now it's become a little bit difficult, a bit like the free clear bags for plastic bottles that we no longer get, things arn't quite so important and as for the following statement," “The council's report says this is likely to cause an increase in fly-tipping, but also says that fly-tipping that is not unsafe or unhealthy is not a council priority. " What complete and utter ignorant drivel, if and when, and it will happen, fly tipped waste is sat on street corners rotting in the summer it will become a priority and the blame for that state of affairs will be placed firmly at the feet of out inept council.[/p][/quote]You can use any white or clear bag for plastics. We make use of the many charity bags that comer through the door. Just turn them inside-out PaulD

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