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Climate change on film
5:00pm Wednesday 13th February 2013 in News
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Chasing Ice photo-grapher James Balog and director Jeff Orlowski
SWINDON Climate Action Network is joining forces with the Swindon Film Society to show the film Chasing Ice as part of the Swindon Film Festival.
The film, now on general release in the UK, has been critically acclaimed and shortlisted for the Oscars.
It is the story of American photographer James Balog’s mission to gather evidence of climate change in the Arctic. Using time-lapse cameras, his videos shows ancient mountains of ice disappearing in minutes.
SCAN are presenting this film at what is probably its only public showing in Swindon and to mark Climate Week, Britain’s biggest climate change campaign.
This showing will take place at the Central Library, Regent Circus at 7.30pm on March 6.
Admission is free, but to guarantee a seat, tickets need to be booked in advance at the visitor information centre in the Central Library.
To book, email infocentre@swindon.gov.uk or phone 01793 466454.
The film is certificate 12A.
More details can be found at www.swindonclimate.org.uk or on the film’s website at www.chasingice.co.uk
Comments(42)
itsamess3
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7:23pm Wed 13 Feb 13
mememine69 wrote:You mean you dont know the seas and oceans with its currents carry all manner of things to different places?
So it's melting! How does studying effects not causes of climate fluctuation prove Humans cause climate variation now?
Explain the tropical fossils under the melting ice under both polar caps if this climate of today has never happened before.
LordAshOfTheBrake
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9:12pm Wed 13 Feb 13
There have been times when there was no ice at the polar caps. Therefore it is known that at times in its evolution the planet has been warmer than it is today.
The difference now is that the human population is supposed to be at threat by the rising temperatures, rising sea levels and so on.
@itsmess3, The point that was being made by mememine69 was that there is fossil evidence to prove that polar ice has not always been there. Even for the seas and oceanic currents to deposit fossils in those places, it cannot have been solid ice.
Fartim Poster
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9:29pm Wed 13 Feb 13
itsamess3
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6:11am Thu 14 Feb 13
@itsmess3, The point that was being made by mememine69 was that there is fossil evidence to prove that polar ice has not always been there. Even for the seas and oceanic currents to deposit fossils in those places, it cannot have been solid ice.”
Not always wise to reply on behalf of someone else.
The film has been shown at various stages of production and consultations took place with many groups to present a balanced and reasonably accurate film.
Firstly you need to understand that the mystery of how the planets formed has never been answered as the question is if the big bang took place how did that take place if there was nothing there?
Polar ice comes into 2 categories-sheet ice and caps and the poles differ greatly in that respect-one being attatched to land the other not.
Many expeditions have bored through the ice and provided a picture of many ages--it remains that sea flow carries all manner of objects from all corners of this earth and stuck in the ice. Evidence of undersea volcanos/tsunamis etc carried by the sea for miles.
There are claims the ice cap will be gone by 2030-should we panic?
In summary--we are no closer to uncovering the mystery of our planets or of life.
LordAshOfTheBrake
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8:34am Thu 14 Feb 13
I'm aware of ice caps and some of the science theory around them etc etc etc. Much of science is still theory backed up by experimentation and observation.
Your a fine one to talk about commenting on a response to someone else.
Your previous response to the original poster implied that currents could push artifacts though the ice; unless your accepting the original point that at some point in the fairly recent past there was significantly ice at the polar caps for those artifacts to have been deposited such they could be frozen over.
Always Grumpy
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9:10am Thu 14 Feb 13
itsamess3 wrote:Certainly fossils were never carried by any movements of the sea - a quite ludicrous assumption.
mememine69 wrote:You mean you dont know the seas and oceans with its currents carry all manner of things to different places?
So it's melting! How does studying effects not causes of climate fluctuation prove Humans cause climate variation now?
Explain the tropical fossils under the melting ice under both polar caps if this climate of today has never happened before.
I suggest you spend some time looking up Plate Tectonics before you comment on something else you know nothing about. You'll find all the answers there as to how fossils are beneath ice caps, on the slopes of Mount Everest etc.
itsamess3
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9:30am Thu 14 Feb 13
What on earth has Mount Everest to do with the poles which is the subject of the film?
You really do need to get your facts correct as you do constantly remind others.
Perhaps you should study some of the findings of extensive studies of the poles-both of the ice sheet and caps-all of the scientific kind.
itsamess3
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9:46am Thu 14 Feb 13
Fossils of allsorts are found thousands of miles from their origins-how would you explain how they arrived on the seabed below the poles?
LordAshOfTheBrake
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9:54am Thu 14 Feb 13
Not deputing how they get moved around. Its the fact they are buried in ice; which must indicate that when the fossil got there, there wasn't ice!
itsamess3
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10:10am Thu 14 Feb 13
Pre-ice age-but do remember the differences between the poles and where the fossils were found.
Always Grumpy
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11:23am Thu 14 Feb 13
itsamess3 wrote:I'm giving you an example of plate tectonics - those are the facts, which you care to ignore as usual, as they are contrary to your misguided beliefs.
A.G.
What on earth has Mount Everest to do with the poles which is the subject of the film?
You really do need to get your facts correct as you do constantly remind others.
Perhaps you should study some of the findings of extensive studies of the poles-both of the ice sheet and caps-all of the scientific kind.
You appear to have once again highlighted your complete scientific ignorance, something you manage to do on a regular basis. Whether it's your failure to understand the difference between fusion and fission or the effects of plate tectonics on why there are fossils under glaciers or on top of mountains.
Do try and read (or get someone to read for you) a few scientific papers. It might just help you to understand things a little clearly. I somehow suspect it won't, so I'll leave you to wallow in your own self ignorance.
You have my deapest sympathy for once again showing yourself to be a complete fool.
RichardR1
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12:59pm Thu 14 Feb 13
Detailed temperature recording using NASA and other sources can still not establish if the earths temperature is rising or falling, even the Berkley Earth research highlights one thing, that the likleyhood of temperature armagendum is remote at best with a 1.5 degree c rise (average) in 250 years.
The important thing is that there is that warming since 1998 despite claims to the contrary.
The earths climate is cyclical and this is just another cycle. Even if Humans contributed at the rate claimed (5%) in terms of atmospheric disruption it is just a drop in the Ocean, if the world is going to implode nothing we can do will stop it.
That is blatently obvious to 30,000 plus Cimate Scientists who have signed the Manhatten Accord, of course the 2500 in the employ of the EU don't agree, as their incomes depend on the myth of MMGW.
Tim Newroman
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1:59pm Thu 14 Feb 13
No, the scaremongering is all about how long humans may be able to survive on a planet that is in no sense 'ours' and never has been, or will be.
The human race will eventually be erradicated whether we choose to like that scenario or not.
@Always Grumpy: we may well have our differences, but I have enjoyed you taking itsamess3's wikipedia copy and past argument apart so completely. Can this stuff *really* be the work of an accomplished, internationally respected nuclear scientist?
itsamess3
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3:04pm Thu 14 Feb 13
I do think you use any excuse for your usual abusive rants which has nothing to do with the point of dispute at all.
Perhaps you should (a) watch the film as there really is some stunning scenes-then study a few of the many combined reports by highly rated scientists/geologist
s and archeologists and a host of allied professionals. Of course you will not do that as you do seem to think you are the font of all knowledge--especiall
y now you have been joined by your 2 best buddies.
Personally i cannot see anything in what you have said that relates to any discoveries at either of the poles-unless they moved Everest without anyone noticing. Don't forget your ally has brought in some political issues so be sure to use that to your advantage.
RichardR1
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3:05pm Thu 14 Feb 13
RichardR1
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3:18pm Thu 14 Feb 13
Or could it be he watched the trailer featured on the website.
So where did you see it Mr itsamess or is it a secret.
itsamess3
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4:32pm Thu 14 Feb 13
As i said--it does not provide all the answers-but some truly stunning shots.
It has nothing to do with nuclear science
and it certainly is no secret--you could of course buy a copy off the internet as no doubt one of the sites will have it.
RichardR1
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4:53pm Thu 14 Feb 13
Not seen abobby posting here.
itsamess3
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5:05pm Thu 14 Feb 13
Always Grumpy
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5:15pm Thu 14 Feb 13
itsamess3 wrote:Well messy, I'll sleep really well again tonight knowing that once again you have made a complete fool of yourself.
A.G.
I do think you use any excuse for your usual abusive rants which has nothing to do with the point of dispute at all.
Perhaps you should (a) watch the film as there really is some stunning scenes-then study a few of the many combined reports by highly rated scientists/geologist
s and archeologists and a host of allied professionals. Of course you will not do that as you do seem to think you are the font of all knowledge--especiall
y now you have been joined by your 2 best buddies.
Personally i cannot see anything in what you have said that relates to any discoveries at either of the poles-unless they moved Everest without anyone noticing. Don't forget your ally has brought in some political issues so be sure to use that to your advantage.
I'm sorry, but you really haven't a clue as to what you're on about, as usual.
Go to one of the libraries in the town (before they close) and get a few books out that will explain everything to you. You might even be able to some large print versions with plenty of pictures that even a fool such as yourself might understand. You really have shown yourself up big time on this particular issue.
For the sake of your own health, I would give up on this one and stick to watching your archived videos of life outside the Carpenters.
RichardR1
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5:18pm Thu 14 Feb 13
It was released in the UK and Ireland on December 14th last year for public viewing after it's Premier on December 3rd.
There are numerous venues currently listed. It is being shown in Oxford tonight.
Simple to establish merely look at the website.
itsamess3
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6:08pm Thu 14 Feb 13
Still not answered what mount Everest has to do with the poles.
Really is that the best you can do-resort to abuse--sure sign you do not have a clue.
itsamess3
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6:49pm Thu 14 Feb 13
Did none of your pals invite you to one of the many screenings all over the country long before it was released here--but has been out some while in many countries?
Thats what i said-and numerous uni's were treated to a viewing and guest lecturers discussed the lessons learned.
You seem to miss such information.
Do apply for a free ticket for the swindon showing--you will have plenty of time to get here.
RichardR1
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7:59pm Thu 14 Feb 13
itsamess3
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9:26pm Thu 14 Feb 13
RichardR1 wrote:So you have difficulty reading as well-no surprise there. Do read my post @ 4-32 PM 14 Feb 13 as i reproduced in my last post--no when there is there?
No one believes you itsamess so stop making yourself look stupid. You said 'when' it is released. Clear and concise.
The UK premiere was early dec after which questions were answered by the film makers--followed by more venues including several well known uni's.
You do like to alter statements dont you? Wonder where you picked up that bad habit of altering the truth?
Always Grumpy
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10:19pm Thu 14 Feb 13
itsamess3 wrote:It's all to do with plate tectonics and uplift. Far too advanced for you to understand obviously.
A.G.
Still not answered what mount Everest has to do with the poles.
Really is that the best you can do-resort to abuse--sure sign you do not have a clue.
I would just stick to being an internationally recognised nuclear scientist if I were you - much easier than being a geologist.
By the way, had the call to visit North Korea yet? Your expertise must be needed out there to help defuse the situation.
Oh, what a sadly deluded muppet you are!
RichardR1
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7:47am Fri 15 Feb 13
'The answer is--dont be a lazy bobby and as you are not likely to be invited to private screenings you will have to wait until its released here--close the door as you leave.'
You are a past master at semantics as well as distraction, but as AG once again has shown you are as likely to be a scientist as I am, the difference of course is I don't claim to be one.
itsamess3
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9:24am Fri 15 Feb 13
The national news quite adequately deals with the korea incident.
That simply shows others come here purely to be abusive-thye 3 stooges come to mind.
RichardR1
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9:49am Fri 15 Feb 13
By the way we all know what it's about it's in the article and in the bio on their website.
Tim Newroman
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10:54am Fri 15 Feb 13
Just because several people clearly highlight your errors does not mean they have been 'abusive'. Nobody buys your little victim routine.
itsamess3
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12:41pm Fri 15 Feb 13
The 3 caballeros have raised numerous issues that contain little to no truth--but has provided a very clear picture of a very persistent liar over a very long period of time.
My stance as far as global warming is well known both in my occupation and with groups i work with to improve old technologies and encourage the new ones that can provide clean power for homes and industry.
Do i care what idiots choose to believe in vain attempts to discredit me--nah--i just snigger at the thought that much of my articles throughout the net have been read by millions and ideas sent in by many-same with my work-i am referred to regularly.
Clever lot arn't you that none of you can work it out. You are just to busy trying and failing to convince all and sundry you are the 3 wise men.
Do get your tickets to watch the film as it is stunning in places-but how convincing is after all a matter of opinion.
RichardR1
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12:59pm Fri 15 Feb 13
Perhaps it's because no one cares, have you thought of that, your whole posting history makes it obvious you are simply a delusional wannabee.
itsamess3
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3:31pm Fri 15 Feb 13
RichardR1
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5:44pm Fri 15 Feb 13
But of course we know by your previous posts you do not care about scientific integrity and truth.
itsamess3
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7:40pm Sat 16 Feb 13
Political distortion takes place usually by wannabe politicians like yourself who rarely have any idea of what they are on about. Perhaps you should take time to watch Obama's state of the union address where he sets out a host of measures to tackle emissions.
"But of course we know by your previous posts you do not care about scientific integrity and truth.”
My peers would disagree with you and my reviews have been supported by them as i rely on proven research and facts.
Honesty-says the man claiming to be an expert on everything yet denies who he really is when you make identical claims daily-the same spelling mistakes (not typos) and a host of other gaffes all provable.
As to the film-i have not made any claims as to if it proves anything--i simply say there is some stunning photography. Global warming and climate change is measured by many means and events that affect our atmosphere. The most graphic proof in recent years was the actions taken by China in preparing for the Olympics--clear proof ratified by monitoring.
How you derive your figures has to be from politically motivated groups as they do not match valid reports by many branches of the sciences.
There is no argument you could make that would convince me of any of your claims as you always choose biassed reports-not facts.
RichardR1
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8:33am Sun 17 Feb 13
Not surprising it has been commissioned by National Geographic the guys a NG staffer, clearly earning his pay.
RichardR1
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8:42am Sun 17 Feb 13
http://www.theregist
er.co.uk/2008/05/02/
a_tale_of_two_thermo
meters/
This is what they say about NASA suddenly re-evaluating historical monitored temperature data to reverse the temperature pattern.
'From a statistical viewpoint, data recalculation should cause each year to have a 50/50 probability of going either up or down - thus the odds of all 70 adjusted years working in concert to increase the slope of the graph (as seen in the combined version) are an astronomical 2 raised to the power of 70. That is one-thousand-billion
-billion to one.'
Scientific integrity or fraud?
RichardR1
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9:03am Sun 17 Feb 13
http://www.see.leeds
.ac.uk/see-research/
igs/seddies/francis/
index.htm
'" What we are seeing really is just another interglacial phase within our big icehouse climate." Dismissing political calls for a global effort to reverse climate change, she said, " It's really farcical because the climate has been changing constantly... What we should do is be more aware of the fact that it is changing and that we should be ready to adapt to the change."
Professor Jane Francis
CV: http://www.see.leeds
.ac.uk/see-research/
igs/seddies/francis/
cv.htm
itsamess3
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12:00pm Sun 17 Feb 13
I have not mentioned anyone in particular other than those involved in the film--of course you cannot comment on the film as you have not seen it.
Perhaps you should read the peer reviews of the professor you name-then give an opinion.
I gave you a good instance with chinas clean up of Beijing for the olympics in a very short period--perhaps you should read the universally accepted results from monitoring. Further studies in other cities such as Quindao where the sea was filled with algae caused by factories spewing waste into the sea.
Post olympics it has returned to pre olympic state.
You have very little idea of how growing technology can dramatically reduce or eliminate many poisonous or dangerous gasses.
Do you know how many gasses even the most fuel efficient diesel or petrol car give out and compare that to HFC power that emits only water and gas boilers both household and industrial can emit poisonous gasses.
Last but not least emission free nuclear. Many more.
You are incapable of conducting an unbiassed debate due to your political leanings and name professors that almost support your political masters--but not quite as she is right in one way but not in others.
The facts are simple-climate change is taking place and the reasons are multiple which include natural movements within our planet and man made devastation of our planet.
You cannot comment on the film or its conclusions as you have not seen it and no doubt you have not read the conclusions of the 2 main very specialist scientists conclusions.
Other good reading are the results of continuous monitoring by numerous scientists who man stations at the poles and have done so for many years.
So yes--i dismiss politically biassed claims as they are rarely factual and amatuers who profess great knowledge they dont have and never accept claims by proven liars.
RichardR1
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7:13pm Sun 17 Feb 13
So you slag off a fellow scientist (that's assuming of course you are ) Very professional.
It is standard practice to criticise scientists who are not playing the game, we see it in many disciplines. The fact she is criticised probably means she is the one telling the truth.
With billions available to climate scientists who do play the game, they are perfectly happy to speak against colleagues. So I am far from surprised you choose to do the same.
What the rest of you post has to do with anything only your deluded mind could possibly know.
itsamess3
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9:08pm Sun 17 Feb 13
Jeez you are thicker than i thought.
So you slag off a fellow scientist (that's assuming of course you are ) Very professional.
In fact i was very generous to her status you really do need to find better sources of information.
With billions available to climate scientists who do play the game, they are perfectly happy to speak against colleagues. So I am far from surprised you choose to do the same.
(a) I have never been a climate scientist and have never claimed otherwise. However i do have a keen interest in anything that reduces pollutants entering our atmosphere.
If you know of any scientist who as you say "play the game" to misuse billions i can only suggest you lodge a complaint to their official body who rigorously investigate such claims--you would need some form of evidence though.
As you claimed to have contacts at Rutherford Laboratories they could be your first choice.
(b) The chinese example shows that a better climate there resulted from the measures they took--the film was made to prove climate change is happening.
As yet i have not fully read the data and findings thus reached no conclusion.
Do stop making claims you cannot prove.
mememine69 says...
5:47pm Wed 13 Feb 13
Explain the tropical fossils under the melting ice under both polar caps if this climate of today has never happened before.