More than 70 reports of criminal damage to cars (From Swindon Advertiser)

Inspector Joseph saunders says "We are increasing patrols in the area throughout this evening and tomorrow morning"
I would be interested to know the time of the last patrol in the area on the day of the crimes.....can we check this from the Police books?

Well done Joe, telling the perpetrators what police plans are.

There are at least two residents' patrols going out in Old Town tonight, they are just the ones I'm aware of.

Going by the general mood amongst some of those affected by this that I've heard from today, the person (or people) who did this would actually be much better off handing themselves in to the police... for their own protection.

Police want to speak to a disgruntled Italian gentleman in a green jacket.

Alcazares very funny lol, really made me chuckle, on a serious note what are these mindless people on!

Alcazares very funny lol, really made me chuckle, on a serious note what are these mindless people on!

I would be interested to know the time of the last patrol in the area on the day of the crimes.....can we check this from the Police books?”
Dought very much if there was any patrols Baron. We rarely see car or foot patrols in my street. However several of us do have CCTV. Those considering that option should be aware there are some privacy laws that apply.

Doubt oops

It's a sad reflection of the respect people have for other's property. What can the police really do? Unless they turn themselves in, HD CCTV was working, or someone grasses on them, it will be consigned to the history books in Slashdon.

I cant remember the last time Ive seen a foot patrol in that area. Normally you just see the Police driving in there flash German supped up cars glaring at everyone. Whats the point in patrolling tonight and telling everyone about it, there hardly going to strike again tonight?! Unless there crazy. Whats more worrying is that someone is walking around with an extremely sharp knife. What would of happened if someone confronted them last night?

roberto5 wrote:
I cant remember the last time Ive seen a foot patrol in that area. Normally you just see the Police driving in there flash German supped up cars glaring at everyone. Whats the point in patrolling tonight and telling everyone about it, there hardly going to strike again tonight?! Unless there crazy. Whats more worrying is that someone is walking around with an extremely sharp knife. What would of happened if someone confronted them last night?

Obviously you can see more on foot than in a flash German car but with a shrinking police force this approach is not possible as in days gone by.

Just another night in swindon. Lets face it so long as crimes keep going unpunished were gonna see more and more of this. The govt really need to get a grip. Our streets are full of criminals, nutters... and chavs!!

alcazares wrote:
Police want to speak to a disgruntled Italian gentleman in a green jacket.

Quality :-)

It's not just about punishment. It starts earlier than that with kids in school.

As teachers, the kids can't be disciplined, as parents a clip behind the ear results in prosecution by a police force that administers revolving door justice and then society wonders why yobs roam the streets slashing tyres.

A few years ago in France I saw a woman of 80 years of age shouting at a kid because he was listening to music on his mobile speaker. What would have happened to that woman in Swindon? Probably found dead in that dead end canal the Council wants to build.

In my home in Cambridgeshire, they dont slit tires on mass, they set your vehicles on fire.

I hope the traffic wardens / residents parking scheme didn't add further to this situation

itsamess3 wrote:
I would be interested to know the time of the last patrol in the area on the day of the crimes.....can we check this from the Police books?”
Dought very much if there was any patrols Baron. We rarely see car or foot patrols in my street. However several of us do have CCTV. Those considering that option should be aware there are some privacy laws that apply.

Which laws are those then?

http://www.homecctvd
irect.co.uk/home-cct
v-uk-law.html

http://www.homecctvd
irect.co.uk/home-cct
v-law.html

Lord
The general law only allows CCTV to monitor your own property and not invade the privacy of others.
Rather pointless to post a link to a company trying to sell CCTV.

I Could Do That wrote:
I hope the traffic wardens / residents parking scheme didn't add further to this situation

It is odd how they'll immediately jump on any resident who makes the slightest transgression with regards to parking... and yet never seem to be around to help prevent actual crimes carried out on parked cars in the areas they're supposed to patrol and 'protect' on behalf of residents.

itsamess3 wrote:
Lord
The general law only allows CCTV to monitor your own property and not invade the privacy of others.
Rather pointless to post a link to a company trying to sell CCTV.

The links refer to quotes and references to legal information so not pointless at all.

The law does not mean you can only monitor your own property. Even if you monitor someone else's property it is a civil offense which would relate to invasion of privacy.

itsamess3 wrote:
Lord The general law only allows CCTV to monitor your own property and not invade the privacy of others. Rather pointless to post a link to a company trying to sell CCTV.

It didn't seem to bother you when you claimed to have installed a covert camera outside the Carpenters Arms! You even claimed to have put the output on YouTube :-)

Lord
Privacy laws do cover many aspects of CCTV and numerous offences are covered in criminal law--i am sure that with a little effort you could find ample instances.
As stated Home CCTV is a useful tool to protect your property and provided it can record accurately--i.e. timed and dated--could be used by the police if for example your tyres were slashed etc on your property.
P.P.
CCTV?--hardly!

As usual you post no references to back up your claims etc etc etc......

itsamess3 wrote:
Lord
Privacy laws do cover many aspects of CCTV and numerous offences are covered in criminal law--i am sure that with a little effort you could find ample instances.
As stated Home CCTV is a useful tool to protect your property and provided it can record accurately--i.e. timed and dated--could be used by the police if for example your tyres were slashed etc on your property.
P.P.
CCTV?--hardly!

So, you're not going to comment on your Carpenters Arms spying then - thought not!?

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
As usual you post no references to back up your claims etc etc etc......

There are many here that use that argument to show their failings--or ignore important facts. Facts like if for some reason a neighbour claimed your CCTV was pointed at a bedroom window and they called the police. Even if it was pointed at their front door they could claim harrassment/stalking
--now go have a look for yourself before you make more ludicrous claims.
My suppliers at least made these and other 'offences' known to me.

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
As usual you post no references to back up your claims etc etc etc......

There are many here that use that argument to show their failings--or ignore important facts. Facts like if for some reason a neighbour claimed your CCTV was pointed at a bedroom window and they called the police. Even if it was pointed at their front door they could claim harrassment/stalking
--now go have a look for yourself before you make more ludicrous claims.
My suppliers at least made these and other 'offences' known to me.

Always Grumpy wrote:

itsamess3 wrote:
Lord
Privacy laws do cover many aspects of CCTV and numerous offences are covered in criminal law--i am sure that with a little effort you could find ample instances.
As stated Home CCTV is a useful tool to protect your property and provided it can record accurately--i.e. timed and dated--could be used by the police if for example your tyres were slashed etc on your property.
P.P.
CCTV?--hardly!

So, you're not going to comment on your Carpenters Arms spying then - thought not!?

Better to ignore such off topic posts.

itsamess3 wrote:

Always Grumpy wrote:

itsamess3 wrote:
Lord
Privacy laws do cover many aspects of CCTV and numerous offences are covered in criminal law--i am sure that with a little effort you could find ample instances.
As stated Home CCTV is a useful tool to protect your property and provided it can record accurately--i.e. timed and dated--could be used by the police if for example your tyres were slashed etc on your property.
P.P.
CCTV?--hardly!

So, you're not going to comment on your Carpenters Arms spying then - thought not!?

Better to ignore such off topic posts.

I remember you posting that, why are you ignoring it now, is it because it makes u look like a childish prat?

itsamess3 wrote:

Always Grumpy wrote:

itsamess3 wrote:
Lord
Privacy laws do cover many aspects of CCTV and numerous offences are covered in criminal law--i am sure that with a little effort you could find ample instances.
As stated Home CCTV is a useful tool to protect your property and provided it can record accurately--i.e. timed and dated--could be used by the police if for example your tyres were slashed etc on your property.
P.P.
CCTV?--hardly!

So, you're not going to comment on your Carpenters Arms spying then - thought not!?

Better to ignore such off topic posts.

itsamess says...
12:30pm Mon 2 Jan 12
Bob
Do try to report what i say--not your out of context comments.
On your claim the sisters would be coming for lunch i installed a motion sensed camera close by which picked out any visitors. I hear you shouting breach of human rights--only if its used--a friend is copying it blanking out number plates and faces--no breach--guess who was not on it?”

The original article is here:

http://tinyurl.com/a
3ec73a

See post at 12:30pm Mon 2 Jan 12

This seems to be entirely relevant since itsamess3 brought up the legality of filming a public place.

itsamess3 wrote:

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
As usual you post no references to back up your claims etc etc etc......

There are many here that use that argument to show their failings--or ignore important facts. Facts like if for some reason a neighbour claimed your CCTV was pointed at a bedroom window and they called the police. Even if it was pointed at their front door they could claim harrassment/stalking

--now go have a look for yourself before you make more ludicrous claims.
My suppliers at least made these and other 'offences' known to me.

So you are quoting your suppliers. Yes didn't you say to a previous poster....

"Rather pointless to post a link to a company trying to sell CCTV."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha that is brilliant, what a compete and utter ars@

itsamess3 wrote:

Always Grumpy wrote:

itsamess3 wrote:
Lord
Privacy laws do cover many aspects of CCTV and numerous offences are covered in criminal law--i am sure that with a little effort you could find ample instances.
As stated Home CCTV is a useful tool to protect your property and provided it can record accurately--i.e. timed and dated--could be used by the police if for example your tyres were slashed etc on your property.
P.P.
CCTV?--hardly!

So, you're not going to comment on your Carpenters Arms spying then - thought not!?

Better to ignore such off topic posts.

Why am I not surprised at your reply? Probably because you're a creature of habit and have problems with facts, reality and the truth.

P.P.
Perhaps you should refer to recent posts where you and others made rather different claims as to that incident. I was aided by several locals to prove once and for all a host of untruths. The portion of the post you copied refers to 'close by' all parties seen gave permission to use the images and no film was taken on 'public property'
Some laws do not apply to other filming devices.
As i have clearly stated-a reputable company will advise and only install CCTV that does not impinge on others property as it is to monitor my property inside and out-thus if anyone enters any part of my property they will be on tape--there are warning signs to that effect.
Thus if just a few of the car owners who had cars on their drives had CCTV with recording the police may have a chance to find at least some of the culprits.

itsamess3 wrote:
P.P.
Perhaps you should refer to recent posts where you and others made rather different claims as to that incident. I was aided by several locals to prove once and for all a host of untruths. The portion of the post you copied refers to 'close by' all parties seen gave permission to use the images and no film was taken on 'public property'
Some laws do not apply to other filming devices.
As i have clearly stated-a reputable company will advise and only install CCTV that does not impinge on others property as it is to monitor my property inside and out-thus if anyone enters any part of my property they will be on tape--there are warning signs to that effect.
Thus if just a few of the car owners who had cars on their drives had CCTV with recording the police may have a chance to find at least some of the culprits.

Reply to lie no. 1:
I look forward to you presenting me with a link to a post where I made different claims regarding the incident.

Reply to lie no. 2:
I did NOT copy a portion of your post - I posted the full content - I also provided a link to the original article so that everyone could see your post in context. I'll leave it to the readers to decide on the validity of your absurd denials.

itsamess3 wrote:
P.P.
Perhaps you should refer to recent posts where you and others made rather different claims as to that incident. I was aided by several locals to prove once and for all a host of untruths. The portion of the post you copied refers to 'close by' all parties seen gave permission to use the images and no film was taken on 'public property'
Some laws do not apply to other filming devices.
As i have clearly stated-a reputable company will advise and only install CCTV that does not impinge on others property as it is to monitor my property inside and out-thus if anyone enters any part of my property they will be on tape--there are warning signs to that effect.
Thus if just a few of the car owners who had cars on their drives had CCTV with recording the police may have a chance to find at least some of the culprits.

You have CCTV cameras inside and out? What a lovely area you must live in. Or perhaps it's paranoia that Bob might turn up at your property one day :-)

itsamess3 wrote:

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
As usual you post no references to back up your claims etc etc etc......

There are many here that use that argument to show their failings--or ignore important facts. Facts like if for some reason a neighbour claimed your CCTV was pointed at a bedroom window and they called the police. Even if it was pointed at their front door they could claim harrassment/stalking

--now go have a look for yourself before you make more ludicrous claims.
My suppliers at least made these and other 'offences' known to me.

It appears to me that your lack of ability to post references shows your failings not mine.

Have a look for some references, its not difficult. Somehow I suspect you did and couldn't find what you were looking for; at least not as black and white as you want it.

You picked some extreme examples which fall under different laws; especially the bedroom window (voyeurism).

I'll concede my comment lacked some clarity in that it was intended to be about incidental recording of someone else's property rather than deliberately training camera's on their house or garden. But the point still remains you are not limited to recording your own property.

If your camera's are recording public space like a road etc you are not breaking any laws.

Remember your claim was you can only record your own property which is incorrect!

A person can go to the police and claim anything they want. However they need to provide evidence. Simply claiming it would mean nothing at all.

itsamess3 wrote:
P.P.
Perhaps you should refer to recent posts where you and others made rather different claims as to that incident. I was aided by several locals to prove once and for all a host of untruths. The portion of the post you copied refers to 'close by' all parties seen gave permission to use the images and no film was taken on 'public property'
Some laws do not apply to other filming devices.
As i have clearly stated-a reputable company will advise and only install CCTV that does not impinge on others property as it is to monitor my property inside and out-thus if anyone enters any part of my property they will be on tape--there are warning signs to that effect.
Thus if just a few of the car owners who had cars on their drives had CCTV with recording the police may have a chance to find at least some of the culprits.

But you were only recording the private property of the individuals who gave you permission....Right?



Camera's inside and out; your more paranoid than I gave you credit for.


Do your recordings get automatically sent off site as well, just in case someone who gets in targets the control centre?


On most of the streets mentioned the houses generally do not have driveways....! The cars were parked on the street

I Could Do That wrote:
I hope the traffic wardens / residents parking scheme didn't add further to this situation

Tough luck, the council need to pay for the parking staff wages and the funding of the reward. So if anyone in breech of the tiniest parking rules and regulations then they should slapped with the heaviest fine possible.

Lord
"It appears to me that your lack of ability to post references shows your failings not mine."
You picked some extreme examples which fall under different laws; especially the bedroom window (voyeurism)"
Thank you for confirming you looked yourself and found other laws do apply as i stated.
"If your camera's are recording public space like a road etc you are not breaking any laws"
Roads and pavements are for public use-not owned by the public and as such permission would be needed to film any part of.
Incidently neither the road or neighbours properties can be seen by my CCTV system which answers some of your other claims.
"Camera's inside and out; your more paranoid than I gave you credit for"
Not at all-not my decision-yes any activation is received elsewhere and the internal cameras are only on if no-one is at the property.
I do agree some of the rules if relaxed would help in cases the article deals with. However--if CCTV came to every street you can guarantee many would be shouting their HR have been breached.
Mind you-i am surprised there is no mention of car alarms going off all over the areas attacked as some are very sensitive.