Postal workers take their campaign to save Royal Mail the streets

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POSTAL workers will make a stand in the town centre on Saturday as their fight to stop the Royal Mail’s privatisation invites the public to press their MPs.

Staff at Royal Mail House in Rowland Hill Close, Dorcan, will be handing out postcards to shoppers between 9am and 5pm, and asking for their names and addresses.

These cards will then be sent to the shopper’s local MP in an effort to draw attention to the number of people opposed to the privatisation of an institution which can be traced back to 1516.

Robert Buckland, MP for South Swindon, has confirmed he will attend the stall, as will Anne Snelgrove, Labour’s prospective parliamentary candidate for South Swindon.

Mrs Snelgrove, who has also backed the workers’ opposition, said: “It would be a huge mistake to privatise the Royal Mail. Put profit before service and we all lose out, which is what will happen under a privatisation.

“I don’t want to lose out on deliveries into Swindon or countryside areas. I want people in the villages around Swindon to have as good a service as we have at the moment.

“I am very concerned that won’t be so if the Royal Mail is privatised.”

Sandy Best, 47, of Upham Road, is a postwoman of 24 years’ standing, and she is co-ordinating Saturday’s event which will call to stop the Royal Mail being floated on the stock market and sold to private investors.

Mrs Best has already begun to raise awareness in Swindon, at Swindon & Wiltshire Pride earlier this month and at the Brunel Centre at the end of July.

Backed by her husband Colin, a postman of 34 years, and several colleagues, Mrs Best hopes the public will support them in urging MPs to appreciate this a public service doing well without private investment.

“This is a profit-making organisation, there is no need for them privatise,” she said. “There are certain things in cities, towns and villages that are valued by people – the postman coming each morning, the day-to-day contact with people. This is an institution that shouldn’t be touched.

“There are things in this country that I feel we should like and cherish. We have something good, so why do something to make it less good for the general public and staff?

“You can post a letter to anywhere in the country for exactly the same price. In the future, posting things to the Shetland Islands could cost a lot more under privatisation.”

Mrs Best and her colleagues are members of the Communication Workers Union (CWU), which balloted members on the proposed privatisation earlier this year. Of a 74 per cent turnout, 96 per cent voted against the privatisation.

Dermot Fuller, 48, of Bowman Close, who is a south central divisional representative for the CWU, said: “A privatised service would be more expensive for the public.

“It will also probably result in job losses for those currently working at the Royal Mail. Companies like TNT (a private courier company) pay their staff the minimum wage and offer zero hours contracts.”

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2:14pm Thu 29 Aug 13

benzss says...

I don't see anything worth campaigning about. The argument against privatisation of the Royal Mail has always been about 'feels'. How the organisation is an institution, the tradition, 'the way it's always been'. I'm sorry, but that simply isn't good enough.

The World has moved on. Post is becoming less and less relevant, to such an extent that it can no longer be categorised as a public good (arguably, even in the past, it oughtn't have been either).
I don't see anything worth campaigning about. The argument against privatisation of the Royal Mail has always been about 'feels'. How the organisation is an institution, the tradition, 'the way it's always been'. I'm sorry, but that simply isn't good enough. The World has moved on. Post is becoming less and less relevant, to such an extent that it can no longer be categorised as a public good (arguably, even in the past, it oughtn't have been either). benzss

3:15pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Davey Gravey says...

Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels.
If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition
Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels. If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition Davey Gravey

3:37pm Thu 29 Aug 13

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Over the last few years there has been a lot of change, but a worsening of service.

Pretty much every time we get a parcel delivery, I end up going to the depot to collect it and even then have to wait over 24 hours from the time it was originally tried to be delivered.

What happened to the "leave it with the neighbours" that was talked about last year...?
Over the last few years there has been a lot of change, but a worsening of service. Pretty much every time we get a parcel delivery, I end up going to the depot to collect it and even then have to wait over 24 hours from the time it was originally tried to be delivered. What happened to the "leave it with the neighbours" that was talked about last year...? LordAshOfTheBrake

3:57pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Morsey says...

You can have your mail sent to where you are going to be at the time you expect it, it's a no brainer to order something and know that you will not be there to receive if it needs signing for or cannot go through the letterbox. Speak to your trusted neighbour, get it sent to your workplace, or you are on the move with work etc., then what do expect, the postman sat at your door waiting for you when you come home, come off it?

Common sense should ensure that you will receive your mail at the address you give the sender, it is not the postperson's fault if you ain't going to be there, if you fail to make provision, and there are many alternatives.

The service has not really worsened due to anything the postman / woman has changed ... there are many changes, which have clearly been brought in on a cost saving exercise, I cannot see the argument, my mail arrives when I expect it, as I am flexible, we sometimes all get the idea that blame, as such, is normal when things don't work out exactly as we planned?

People are fighting for their jobs, many care about the service they can give the public as well ... and, as has been put so eloquently, privatisation HAS NEVER worked ... unless you are still a shareholder!!
You can have your mail sent to where you are going to be at the time you expect it, it's a no brainer to order something and know that you will not be there to receive if it needs signing for or cannot go through the letterbox. Speak to your trusted neighbour, get it sent to your workplace, or you are on the move with work etc., then what do expect, the postman sat at your door waiting for you when you come home, come off it? Common sense should ensure that you will receive your mail at the address you give the sender, it is not the postperson's fault if you ain't going to be there, if you fail to make provision, and there are many alternatives. The service has not really worsened due to anything the postman / woman has changed ... there are many changes, which have clearly been brought in on a cost saving exercise, I cannot see the argument, my mail arrives when I expect it, as I am flexible, we sometimes all get the idea that blame, as such, is normal when things don't work out exactly as we planned? People are fighting for their jobs, many care about the service they can give the public as well ... and, as has been put so eloquently, privatisation HAS NEVER worked ... unless you are still a shareholder!! Morsey

4:03pm Thu 29 Aug 13

The Real Librarian says...

QUOTE
Robert Buckland, MP for South Swindon, has confirmed he will attend the stall, as will Anne Snelgrove, Labour’s prospective parliamentary candidate for South Swindon.
Mrs Snelgrove, who has also backed the workers’ opposition, said: “It would be a huge mistake to privatise the Royal Mail. Put profit before service and we all lose out, which is what will happen under a privatisation.
UNQUOTE

Its nice to see that the dishonesty is evenly spread across the political spectrum.

What Buckland and Snellgrove should both know is that the PO selloff is dictated by our real masters in the EU.

The European Postal Services Directive (97/67/EC amended by 2002/39/EU as amended by 2008/06/EC) forces the liberalisation of postal markets across the EU to permit member states to compete in trans-national mail markets.

Translated, you have to break up the monopoly and sell off the monolith.

Take note of those dates, 1997, 2002 and 2008.

Who was in power in those years Anne Snellgrove? That's right, it was your party. Your precious Labour party agreed to this.

Its going to happen, because we are enslaved to the allmighty EU, and because miserable little politicians like Buckland and Snellgrove continue to lie about this.
QUOTE Robert Buckland, MP for South Swindon, has confirmed he will attend the stall, as will Anne Snelgrove, Labour’s prospective parliamentary candidate for South Swindon. Mrs Snelgrove, who has also backed the workers’ opposition, said: “It would be a huge mistake to privatise the Royal Mail. Put profit before service and we all lose out, which is what will happen under a privatisation. UNQUOTE Its nice to see that the dishonesty is evenly spread across the political spectrum. What Buckland and Snellgrove should both know is that the PO selloff is dictated by our real masters in the EU. The European Postal Services Directive (97/67/EC amended by 2002/39/EU as amended by 2008/06/EC) forces the liberalisation of postal markets across the EU to permit member states to compete in trans-national mail markets. Translated, you have to break up the monopoly and sell off the monolith. Take note of those dates, 1997, 2002 and 2008. Who was in power in those years Anne Snellgrove? That's right, it was your party. Your precious Labour party agreed to this. Its going to happen, because we are enslaved to the allmighty EU, and because miserable little politicians like Buckland and Snellgrove continue to lie about this. The Real Librarian

4:05pm Thu 29 Aug 13

benzss says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels.
If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition
It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels. If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition[/p][/quote]It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing. benzss

4:20pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Ringer says...

The argument that the Royal Mail is worth keeping because it costs the same to send a letter to your next door neighbour as it does to a person 400 miles away tends to give away the type of mindset of those making the statement.

Because, of course, it means those who send letters short distances are actually subsidising those who send letters very long distances.

Surely it is much fairer to simply charge according to how far you send a letter/package?

It's all about perception. We all accept that a small letter weighing 90g should cost less to post than a large letter weighing 900g... so why do we feel it's 'unfair' to charge more to deliver a letter 400 miles away than to deliver one 40 miles away?

There really is no reason to believe things like "the postman coming each morning, the day-to-day contact with people" would end under privatisation. Somebody's got to put the letters through the letterboxes.
The argument that the Royal Mail is worth keeping because it costs the same to send a letter to your next door neighbour as it does to a person 400 miles away tends to give away the type of mindset of those making the statement. Because, of course, it means those who send letters short distances are actually subsidising those who send letters very long distances. Surely it is much fairer to simply charge according to how far you send a letter/package? It's all about perception. We all accept that a small letter weighing 90g should cost less to post than a large letter weighing 900g... so why do we feel it's 'unfair' to charge more to deliver a letter 400 miles away than to deliver one 40 miles away? There really is no reason to believe things like "the postman coming each morning, the day-to-day contact with people" would end under privatisation. Somebody's got to put the letters through the letterboxes. Ringer

4:23pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Davey Gravey says...

benzss wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels.
If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition
It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.
If privatised it will become profits before providing a service. Do you think people in remote areas will get what they do now? Also the above comment from lord ash seems strange considering when I've missed a delivery I've been able to collect my parcel on the same day every time.
[quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels. If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition[/p][/quote]It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.[/p][/quote]If privatised it will become profits before providing a service. Do you think people in remote areas will get what they do now? Also the above comment from lord ash seems strange considering when I've missed a delivery I've been able to collect my parcel on the same day every time. Davey Gravey

4:48pm Thu 29 Aug 13

EmmBee says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
benzss wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels.
If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition
It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.
If privatised it will become profits before providing a service. Do you think people in remote areas will get what they do now? Also the above comment from lord ash seems strange considering when I've missed a delivery I've been able to collect my parcel on the same day every time.
You don't live near me then - the local collection point closes at 1pm. So there's no way I could collect the parcel on the same day it was delivered.

Unless you don't work, in which case, you'd be there to receive said parcel.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels. If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition[/p][/quote]It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.[/p][/quote]If privatised it will become profits before providing a service. Do you think people in remote areas will get what they do now? Also the above comment from lord ash seems strange considering when I've missed a delivery I've been able to collect my parcel on the same day every time.[/p][/quote]You don't live near me then - the local collection point closes at 1pm. So there's no way I could collect the parcel on the same day it was delivered. Unless you don't work, in which case, you'd be there to receive said parcel. EmmBee

5:21pm Thu 29 Aug 13

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Morsey wrote:
You can have your mail sent to where you are going to be at the time you expect it, it's a no brainer to order something and know that you will not be there to receive if it needs signing for or cannot go through the letterbox. Speak to your trusted neighbour, get it sent to your workplace, or you are on the move with work etc., then what do expect, the postman sat at your door waiting for you when you come home, come off it?

Common sense should ensure that you will receive your mail at the address you give the sender, it is not the postperson's fault if you ain't going to be there, if you fail to make provision, and there are many alternatives.

The service has not really worsened due to anything the postman / woman has changed ... there are many changes, which have clearly been brought in on a cost saving exercise, I cannot see the argument, my mail arrives when I expect it, as I am flexible, we sometimes all get the idea that blame, as such, is normal when things don't work out exactly as we planned?

People are fighting for their jobs, many care about the service they can give the public as well ... and, as has been put so eloquently, privatisation HAS NEVER worked ... unless you are still a shareholder!!
They won't leave it with trusted neighbours. They claimed last year that they would start looking into doing that, but they haven't done anything about it so far as I can tell...!

One of our neighbours is at home all day so the chances of them not being able to take a package in is small and she says they never call. Other delivery companies do leave packages with neighbours.

The service has worsened over the years. Firstly there use to be two deliveries a day. there also use to be an attempt to deliver before 9am, but regularly now for many people post is delivered mid afternoon.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: You can have your mail sent to where you are going to be at the time you expect it, it's a no brainer to order something and know that you will not be there to receive if it needs signing for or cannot go through the letterbox. Speak to your trusted neighbour, get it sent to your workplace, or you are on the move with work etc., then what do expect, the postman sat at your door waiting for you when you come home, come off it? Common sense should ensure that you will receive your mail at the address you give the sender, it is not the postperson's fault if you ain't going to be there, if you fail to make provision, and there are many alternatives. The service has not really worsened due to anything the postman / woman has changed ... there are many changes, which have clearly been brought in on a cost saving exercise, I cannot see the argument, my mail arrives when I expect it, as I am flexible, we sometimes all get the idea that blame, as such, is normal when things don't work out exactly as we planned? People are fighting for their jobs, many care about the service they can give the public as well ... and, as has been put so eloquently, privatisation HAS NEVER worked ... unless you are still a shareholder!![/p][/quote]They won't leave it with trusted neighbours. They claimed last year that they would start looking into doing that, but they haven't done anything about it so far as I can tell...! One of our neighbours is at home all day so the chances of them not being able to take a package in is small and she says they never call. Other delivery companies do leave packages with neighbours. The service has worsened over the years. Firstly there use to be two deliveries a day. there also use to be an attempt to deliver before 9am, but regularly now for many people post is delivered mid afternoon. LordAshOfTheBrake

5:27pm Thu 29 Aug 13

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
benzss wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels.
If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition
It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.
If privatised it will become profits before providing a service. Do you think people in remote areas will get what they do now? Also the above comment from lord ash seems strange considering when I've missed a delivery I've been able to collect my parcel on the same day every time.
Whenever I have tried to collect a parcel on the same day I've been told I need to have waited at least 24 hours as indicated on the card. When the person behind the counter has made an effort, they have never been able to find the parcel; can't blame them for trying, but it is a fact from my experience.

I had a friendly discussion at the depot once about the 24 hours, and was told its because parcels are not sorted when they return from mis-delivery on the same day, they are done the following day. So how you get yours on the same day, I have no idea unless your painting a rosier picture than reality.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels. If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition[/p][/quote]It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.[/p][/quote]If privatised it will become profits before providing a service. Do you think people in remote areas will get what they do now? Also the above comment from lord ash seems strange considering when I've missed a delivery I've been able to collect my parcel on the same day every time.[/p][/quote]Whenever I have tried to collect a parcel on the same day I've been told I need to have waited at least 24 hours as indicated on the card. When the person behind the counter has made an effort, they have never been able to find the parcel; can't blame them for trying, but it is a fact from my experience. I had a friendly discussion at the depot once about the 24 hours, and was told its because parcels are not sorted when they return from mis-delivery on the same day, they are done the following day. So how you get yours on the same day, I have no idea unless your painting a rosier picture than reality. LordAshOfTheBrake

5:27pm Thu 29 Aug 13

bradley red 1 says...

Stuff royal mail!! over to yodel to take the uk postal business they are brilliant!!!
Stuff royal mail!! over to yodel to take the uk postal business they are brilliant!!! bradley red 1

5:30pm Thu 29 Aug 13

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

For the record, I don't agree with privatising the Royal Mail, but I do think that the service it offers should be better.....
For the record, I don't agree with privatising the Royal Mail, but I do think that the service it offers should be better..... LordAshOfTheBrake

7:24pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Davey Gravey says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
benzss wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels.
If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition
It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.
If privatised it will become profits before providing a service. Do you think people in remote areas will get what they do now? Also the above comment from lord ash seems strange considering when I've missed a delivery I've been able to collect my parcel on the same day every time.
Whenever I have tried to collect a parcel on the same day I've been told I need to have waited at least 24 hours as indicated on the card. When the person behind the counter has made an effort, they have never been able to find the parcel; can't blame them for trying, but it is a fact from my experience.

I had a friendly discussion at the depot once about the 24 hours, and was told its because parcels are not sorted when they return from mis-delivery on the same day, they are done the following day. So how you get yours on the same day, I have no idea unless your painting a rosier picture than reality.
I get a card with the attempted time of delivery. It then says not to collect until 2hours after the stated time. This has happened numerous times and is from dorcan. Other offices may be different?
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels. If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition[/p][/quote]It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.[/p][/quote]If privatised it will become profits before providing a service. Do you think people in remote areas will get what they do now? Also the above comment from lord ash seems strange considering when I've missed a delivery I've been able to collect my parcel on the same day every time.[/p][/quote]Whenever I have tried to collect a parcel on the same day I've been told I need to have waited at least 24 hours as indicated on the card. When the person behind the counter has made an effort, they have never been able to find the parcel; can't blame them for trying, but it is a fact from my experience. I had a friendly discussion at the depot once about the 24 hours, and was told its because parcels are not sorted when they return from mis-delivery on the same day, they are done the following day. So how you get yours on the same day, I have no idea unless your painting a rosier picture than reality.[/p][/quote]I get a card with the attempted time of delivery. It then says not to collect until 2hours after the stated time. This has happened numerous times and is from dorcan. Other offices may be different? Davey Gravey

8:50pm Thu 29 Aug 13

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
benzss wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels.
If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition
It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.
If privatised it will become profits before providing a service. Do you think people in remote areas will get what they do now? Also the above comment from lord ash seems strange considering when I've missed a delivery I've been able to collect my parcel on the same day every time.
Whenever I have tried to collect a parcel on the same day I've been told I need to have waited at least 24 hours as indicated on the card. When the person behind the counter has made an effort, they have never been able to find the parcel; can't blame them for trying, but it is a fact from my experience.

I had a friendly discussion at the depot once about the 24 hours, and was told its because parcels are not sorted when they return from mis-delivery on the same day, they are done the following day. So how you get yours on the same day, I have no idea unless your painting a rosier picture than reality.
I get a card with the attempted time of delivery. It then says not to collect until 2hours after the stated time. This has happened numerous times and is from dorcan. Other offices may be different?
Maybe, but ours definitely state "over 24hrs" for the depot on Newcombe Drive where the parking is terrible (2 spaces and a third disabled) and frequently people are queuing all the way down the path just to get into the door of the office to collect.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benzss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Look at all the other things privatised by the Tories. Gas, electric, bt, British rail etc. Did that benefit the nation? Seen fat cats line their pockets alright but has done nothing for everyone else. Royal mail makes money and has changed to cope with the huge increase in parcels. If it is sold it will be missed. Oppose this disgraceful proposition[/p][/quote]It's not going anywhere. It'll still exist. And if it is that good, and that useful, it will carry on existing.[/p][/quote]If privatised it will become profits before providing a service. Do you think people in remote areas will get what they do now? Also the above comment from lord ash seems strange considering when I've missed a delivery I've been able to collect my parcel on the same day every time.[/p][/quote]Whenever I have tried to collect a parcel on the same day I've been told I need to have waited at least 24 hours as indicated on the card. When the person behind the counter has made an effort, they have never been able to find the parcel; can't blame them for trying, but it is a fact from my experience. I had a friendly discussion at the depot once about the 24 hours, and was told its because parcels are not sorted when they return from mis-delivery on the same day, they are done the following day. So how you get yours on the same day, I have no idea unless your painting a rosier picture than reality.[/p][/quote]I get a card with the attempted time of delivery. It then says not to collect until 2hours after the stated time. This has happened numerous times and is from dorcan. Other offices may be different?[/p][/quote]Maybe, but ours definitely state "over 24hrs" for the depot on Newcombe Drive where the parking is terrible (2 spaces and a third disabled) and frequently people are queuing all the way down the path just to get into the door of the office to collect. LordAshOfTheBrake

10:17pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Antonio Lorusso says...

“There are certain things in cities, towns and villages that are valued by people – the postman coming each morning, the day-to-day contact with people."

Postmen, or social workers? We all value lots of things, that doesn't mean we should get them just because we want them.

"This is an institution that shouldn’t be touched."

No, it's a delivery service that you don't want to be touched. People are only calling it an institution to manipulate others emotionally for their own benefit.
“There are certain things in cities, towns and villages that are valued by people – the postman coming each morning, the day-to-day contact with people." Postmen, or social workers? We all value lots of things, that doesn't mean we should get them just because we want them. "This is an institution that shouldn’t be touched." No, it's a delivery service that you don't want to be touched. People are only calling it an institution to manipulate others emotionally for their own benefit. Antonio Lorusso

8:48am Fri 30 Aug 13

Phantom Poster says...

"Profit making"? Hmm, that would be after the taxpayer has paid off their enormous pensions deficit, would it?
"Profit making"? Hmm, that would be after the taxpayer has paid off their enormous pensions deficit, would it? Phantom Poster

4:19pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Davey Gravey says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
"Profit making"? Hmm, that would be after the taxpayer has paid off their enormous pensions deficit, would it?
Yep profit making. The seperate pension deficit (which was due to years of the government raiding the pot) has been guaranteed by the government regardless of privatisation. Makes the idea of selling the profitable part even more ridiculous
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: "Profit making"? Hmm, that would be after the taxpayer has paid off their enormous pensions deficit, would it?[/p][/quote]Yep profit making. The seperate pension deficit (which was due to years of the government raiding the pot) has been guaranteed by the government regardless of privatisation. Makes the idea of selling the profitable part even more ridiculous Davey Gravey

6:02pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Phantom Poster says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
"Profit making"? Hmm, that would be after the taxpayer has paid off their enormous pensions deficit, would it?
Yep profit making. The seperate pension deficit (which was due to years of the government raiding the pot) has been guaranteed by the government regardless of privatisation. Makes the idea of selling the profitable part even more ridiculous
In case you didn't realise, everyone's pensions have been raided by the government. Your generous final salary guarantees are being subsidised enormously by the taxpayer precisely so that the government can sell a business which would otherwise be unprofitable and unsellable.

It seems that the unions were more than happy to accept the pensions guarantees, but not the overall objective of them.

A governments job should be to govern, not to run a parcel and junk mail delivery businesses.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: "Profit making"? Hmm, that would be after the taxpayer has paid off their enormous pensions deficit, would it?[/p][/quote]Yep profit making. The seperate pension deficit (which was due to years of the government raiding the pot) has been guaranteed by the government regardless of privatisation. Makes the idea of selling the profitable part even more ridiculous[/p][/quote]In case you didn't realise, everyone's pensions have been raided by the government. Your generous final salary guarantees are being subsidised enormously by the taxpayer precisely so that the government can sell a business which would otherwise be unprofitable and unsellable. It seems that the unions were more than happy to accept the pensions guarantees, but not the overall objective of them. A governments job should be to govern, not to run a parcel and junk mail delivery businesses. Phantom Poster

7:24pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Davey Gravey says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
"Profit making"? Hmm, that would be after the taxpayer has paid off their enormous pensions deficit, would it?
Yep profit making. The seperate pension deficit (which was due to years of the government raiding the pot) has been guaranteed by the government regardless of privatisation. Makes the idea of selling the profitable part even more ridiculous
In case you didn't realise, everyone's pensions have been raided by the government. Your generous final salary guarantees are being subsidised enormously by the taxpayer precisely so that the government can sell a business which would otherwise be unprofitable and unsellable.

It seems that the unions were more than happy to accept the pensions guarantees, but not the overall objective of them.

A governments job should be to govern, not to run a parcel and junk mail delivery businesses.
There are no final salary guarantees. The government don't run royal mail either. Your mind has been made up. Pointless me trying to reason within you.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: "Profit making"? Hmm, that would be after the taxpayer has paid off their enormous pensions deficit, would it?[/p][/quote]Yep profit making. The seperate pension deficit (which was due to years of the government raiding the pot) has been guaranteed by the government regardless of privatisation. Makes the idea of selling the profitable part even more ridiculous[/p][/quote]In case you didn't realise, everyone's pensions have been raided by the government. Your generous final salary guarantees are being subsidised enormously by the taxpayer precisely so that the government can sell a business which would otherwise be unprofitable and unsellable. It seems that the unions were more than happy to accept the pensions guarantees, but not the overall objective of them. A governments job should be to govern, not to run a parcel and junk mail delivery businesses.[/p][/quote]There are no final salary guarantees. The government don't run royal mail either. Your mind has been made up. Pointless me trying to reason within you. Davey Gravey

8:24pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Phantom Poster says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
"Profit making"? Hmm, that would be after the taxpayer has paid off their enormous pensions deficit, would it?
Yep profit making. The seperate pension deficit (which was due to years of the government raiding the pot) has been guaranteed by the government regardless of privatisation. Makes the idea of selling the profitable part even more ridiculous
In case you didn't realise, everyone's pensions have been raided by the government. Your generous final salary guarantees are being subsidised enormously by the taxpayer precisely so that the government can sell a business which would otherwise be unprofitable and unsellable.

It seems that the unions were more than happy to accept the pensions guarantees, but not the overall objective of them.

A governments job should be to govern, not to run a parcel and junk mail delivery businesses.
There are no final salary guarantees. The government don't run royal mail either. Your mind has been made up. Pointless me trying to reason within you.
To quote the first paragraph "POSTAL workers will make a stand in the town centre on Saturday as their fight to stop the Royal Mail’s privatisation".

So if they are not privatised then it means that government employees are running it, therefore the government are running it. It seems that you are being deliberately obtuse.

If you are saying that the postal service is running somehow as a totally independent entity then I don't see why you would feel any different being run and controlled as a private company.

Usually when people say after a short dialogue "Pointless me trying to reason within you" (sic), it means that they don't actually have an argument.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: "Profit making"? Hmm, that would be after the taxpayer has paid off their enormous pensions deficit, would it?[/p][/quote]Yep profit making. The seperate pension deficit (which was due to years of the government raiding the pot) has been guaranteed by the government regardless of privatisation. Makes the idea of selling the profitable part even more ridiculous[/p][/quote]In case you didn't realise, everyone's pensions have been raided by the government. Your generous final salary guarantees are being subsidised enormously by the taxpayer precisely so that the government can sell a business which would otherwise be unprofitable and unsellable. It seems that the unions were more than happy to accept the pensions guarantees, but not the overall objective of them. A governments job should be to govern, not to run a parcel and junk mail delivery businesses.[/p][/quote]There are no final salary guarantees. The government don't run royal mail either. Your mind has been made up. Pointless me trying to reason within you.[/p][/quote]To quote the first paragraph "POSTAL workers will make a stand in the town centre on Saturday as their fight to stop the Royal Mail’s privatisation". So if they are not privatised then it means that government employees are running it, therefore the government are running it. It seems that you are being deliberately obtuse. If you are saying that the postal service is running somehow as a totally independent entity then I don't see why you would feel any different being run and controlled as a private company. Usually when people say after a short dialogue "Pointless me trying to reason within you" (sic), it means that they don't actually have an argument. Phantom Poster

8:36pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Phantom Poster says...

Despite the pathetic pensions most of us will have, I'm sure that we the taxpayers are very happy to be contributing £330 pounds each to your pensions:

http://www.thisismon
ey.co.uk/money/artic
le-1390641/Royal-Mai
l-leave-taxpayers-fo
oting-8bn-pension-bi
ll.html

I'm so appreciative that by way of thanks you give us lots of junk mail which we can burn to keep us warm during the winter!
Despite the pathetic pensions most of us will have, I'm sure that we the taxpayers are very happy to be contributing £330 pounds each to your pensions: http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/artic le-1390641/Royal-Mai l-leave-taxpayers-fo oting-8bn-pension-bi ll.html I'm so appreciative that by way of thanks you give us lots of junk mail which we can burn to keep us warm during the winter! Phantom Poster

9:54pm Fri 30 Aug 13

house on the hill says...

Sadly it is a contracting business and does everyone actually need a daily letter delivery? I do agree that once privatised it will deteriorate further as it changes from a service to a profit comes first business.
Sadly it is a contracting business and does everyone actually need a daily letter delivery? I do agree that once privatised it will deteriorate further as it changes from a service to a profit comes first business. house on the hill

1:30am Sat 31 Aug 13

Phantom Poster says...

Is the argument really:

"opposed to the privatisation of an institution which can be traced back to 1516"

You don't really have to go back that far. I used to love the Royal Mail in the 80's and possibly early 90's. In those days you got your mail delivered before you went to work.

Now you might possibly get a delivery sometime in the afternoon and similarly with postbox collections.

Wake up - the Royal Mail is no longer a well loved national treasure!
Is the argument really: "opposed to the privatisation of an institution which can be traced back to 1516" You don't really have to go back that far. I used to love the Royal Mail in the 80's and possibly early 90's. In those days you got your mail delivered before you went to work. Now you might possibly get a delivery sometime in the afternoon and similarly with postbox collections. Wake up - the Royal Mail is no longer a well loved national treasure! Phantom Poster

9:19am Sat 31 Aug 13

Davey Gravey says...

Royal mail wokers opposed the changes to deliveries. And the cut backs which meant the customer didn't get the service they used to. They went on strike because of it and we're called lazy, trouble makers, etc by many.
Royal mail wokers opposed the changes to deliveries. And the cut backs which meant the customer didn't get the service they used to. They went on strike because of it and we're called lazy, trouble makers, etc by many. Davey Gravey

11:35am Sat 31 Aug 13

Phantom Poster says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Royal mail wokers opposed the changes to deliveries. And the cut backs which meant the customer didn't get the service they used to. They went on strike because of it and we're called lazy, trouble makers, etc by many.
But now you make a "profit" - go figure! You seem to be a typical union man who wants to have his cake and eat it too.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Royal mail wokers opposed the changes to deliveries. And the cut backs which meant the customer didn't get the service they used to. They went on strike because of it and we're called lazy, trouble makers, etc by many.[/p][/quote]But now you make a "profit" - go figure! You seem to be a typical union man who wants to have his cake and eat it too. Phantom Poster

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