Swindon AdvertiserDemotion and cut in pay threaten nurses (From Swindon Advertiser)

Get involved! Send photos, video, news & views. Text SWINDON NEWS to 80360 or email us

Demotion and cut in pay threaten nurses

A ROW has erupted at the Great Western Hospital after chiefs announced plans to demote nurses, eventually slashing their salaries by up to 20 per cent, a union has claimed.

A total of 62 band six theatre nurses could be forced to reapply for just 26 jobs while the rest would be downgraded automatically to band five level under proposals put forward by the Great Western Hospital NHS Foundation Trust.

This would mean a pay cut of between 15 and 20 per cent, according to UNISON.

There would be no reduction in salaries for up to two years, however.

The workers are now threatening management with strike action and have so far refused to apply for the band six posts.

Roger Davey, chairman of the Wiltshire and Avon Unison Health branch, told the Adver nursing staff were furious at the situation.

“They are trying to make them reapply for their jobs but there are only about 25 jobs,” he said. “Those who are not successful will be downbanded.

“But they would still be doing roughly the same job for less money and they are very angry about it.

“If management don’t make significant reductions in the amount of staff they are downbanding and if they don’t listen to the concerns of the nurses the option would be for industrial action.

“Management have basically said that they don’t need so many band six nurses working in theatre. “But we believe it’s part of a cost-cutting exercise.

“This is part of a strategy to reduce labour costs and that’s the way they are going about it.”

A Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust spokesman said the move would eliminate the unfair discrepancy in staff wages.

“We have been consulting with theatre staff about making some changes to the nursing structure within the department to ensure that all teams are structured in a way which supports high quality patient care,” he said.

“The existing structure needs to be updated to reflect modern best practice. “Staff are not at risk of redundancy, but it is important that roles and responsibilities are fair, clear and consistent across the whole department. “These changes will eliminate current inconsistencies in pay which are unfair for some staff.

“We hope Unison will play a constructive part in supporting us to modernise the service.”

Julie Connolly, Royal College of Nursing (RCN) South West regional officer, said the organisation was working closely with those affected by the proposed restructuring.

“The RCN has secured agreement with the trust to extend the consultation period to enable staff to give as much feedback as possible,” she said. “While we are engaging with the process, this is not the same as agreeing with these proposals. “We are working hard to ensure that the hospital retains enough experienced nurses to lead on patient care and safety, which is an absolute requirement.”

Comments (20)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

11:03am Sat 2 Nov 13

nigelej says...

A disgrace everyone in Swindon should stand up for these nurses . How can you want to cut there wages . Anyone who thinks different well lets hope you never need one of them . Good luck to you all in this fight .
A disgrace everyone in Swindon should stand up for these nurses . How can you want to cut there wages . Anyone who thinks different well lets hope you never need one of them . Good luck to you all in this fight . nigelej
  • Score: 10

11:26am Sat 2 Nov 13

Oik1 says...

So senior NHS management at GWH want to cut 62 posts to just 26 and those that are downgraded will be expected to carry on "roughly doing the same job".
So that would be a huge cost cutting excercise and then cutting essential theatre staff to the bone, while expecting the good nature of those demoted to carry any slack when things get sticky.
What an absolutely disgracefull way to treat those that are on the front line of operating theatre work.

I suppose no management bods have offered their resignations to save a far more considerable amout of money and much needed theatre staff ?
Just a thought.
So senior NHS management at GWH want to cut 62 posts to just 26 and those that are downgraded will be expected to carry on "roughly doing the same job". So that would be a huge cost cutting excercise and then cutting essential theatre staff to the bone, while expecting the good nature of those demoted to carry any slack when things get sticky. What an absolutely disgracefull way to treat those that are on the front line of operating theatre work. I suppose no management bods have offered their resignations to save a far more considerable amout of money and much needed theatre staff ? Just a thought. Oik1
  • Score: 14

12:24pm Sat 2 Nov 13

Davey Gravey says...

This country and town is being dragged backwards by the government. They are wrecking public services, Making savage cuts to the vulnerable and ruining British working conditions. People need to wake up to this.
This country and town is being dragged backwards by the government. They are wrecking public services, Making savage cuts to the vulnerable and ruining British working conditions. People need to wake up to this. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 6

12:53pm Sat 2 Nov 13

Big Time says...

Tax cut for millionaire, 25% cut in wages for nurses, shocking stuff.
Tax cut for millionaire, 25% cut in wages for nurses, shocking stuff. Big Time
  • Score: 9

1:15pm Sat 2 Nov 13

John~R says...

None of us like a pay cut but we should not overlook the basic problem that the NHS has been given a lot of extra money during the past 10 years yet the customer experience hasn't improved in proportion. The money must have gone on either pay rises or more staff.

Is the underlying problem in this case that a significant proportion of the band 6 nurses aren't actually doing band 6 work? Hence they would be doing much the same work in the future but only being paid accordingly.
None of us like a pay cut but we should not overlook the basic problem that the NHS has been given a lot of extra money during the past 10 years yet the customer experience hasn't improved in proportion. The money must have gone on either pay rises or more staff. Is the underlying problem in this case that a significant proportion of the band 6 nurses aren't actually doing band 6 work? Hence they would be doing much the same work in the future but only being paid accordingly. John~R
  • Score: -5

1:48pm Sat 2 Nov 13

faatmaan says...

with the extra money saved, the PCT can hire more Execs to make more cuts !
with the extra money saved, the PCT can hire more Execs to make more cuts ! faatmaan
  • Score: 6

2:43pm Sat 2 Nov 13

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
This country and town is being dragged backwards by the government. They are wrecking public services, Making savage cuts to the vulnerable and ruining British working conditions. People need to wake up to this.
And also to remember who left all the debt they are trying to sort out with no other options but to make cuts!!!! On the face of it, it does sound disgraceful, but maybe the alternative of losing their job completely would be worse. There are always more factors to this sort of thing than meet the eye, but there are still far too many admin staff in the NHS compared to nurses where there never were before so probably most of them are not needed. Sympathy to all concerned, most of us have been made redundant or had pay freezes at some stage and we all know how horrible it is.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: This country and town is being dragged backwards by the government. They are wrecking public services, Making savage cuts to the vulnerable and ruining British working conditions. People need to wake up to this.[/p][/quote]And also to remember who left all the debt they are trying to sort out with no other options but to make cuts!!!! On the face of it, it does sound disgraceful, but maybe the alternative of losing their job completely would be worse. There are always more factors to this sort of thing than meet the eye, but there are still far too many admin staff in the NHS compared to nurses where there never were before so probably most of them are not needed. Sympathy to all concerned, most of us have been made redundant or had pay freezes at some stage and we all know how horrible it is. house on the hill
  • Score: -7

3:42pm Sat 2 Nov 13

dukeofM4 says...

Perhaps some of these nurses will just go abroad. They can easily earn £60,000+ abroad for doing the same job in the right country.
Perhaps some of these nurses will just go abroad. They can easily earn £60,000+ abroad for doing the same job in the right country. dukeofM4
  • Score: 7

3:52pm Sat 2 Nov 13

twasadawf says...

In most of these case's the managers get Big bonuses for making these cuts while the rest of us get made redundant/or wage cut's it's about time the managers in this country were sorted out as it's them that cause most of whats wrong in business
In most of these case's the managers get Big bonuses for making these cuts while the rest of us get made redundant/or wage cut's it's about time the managers in this country were sorted out as it's them that cause most of whats wrong in business twasadawf
  • Score: 4

4:19pm Sat 2 Nov 13

Davey Gravey says...

house on the hill wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
This country and town is being dragged backwards by the government. They are wrecking public services, Making savage cuts to the vulnerable and ruining British working conditions. People need to wake up to this.
And also to remember who left all the debt they are trying to sort out with no other options but to make cuts!!!! On the face of it, it does sound disgraceful, but maybe the alternative of losing their job completely would be worse. There are always more factors to this sort of thing than meet the eye, but there are still far too many admin staff in the NHS compared to nurses where there never were before so probably most of them are not needed. Sympathy to all concerned, most of us have been made redundant or had pay freezes at some stage and we all know how horrible it is.
The bankers caused it, were bailed out by the tax payer and get huge bonuses still. The hard working normal folk as always bear the brunt
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: This country and town is being dragged backwards by the government. They are wrecking public services, Making savage cuts to the vulnerable and ruining British working conditions. People need to wake up to this.[/p][/quote]And also to remember who left all the debt they are trying to sort out with no other options but to make cuts!!!! On the face of it, it does sound disgraceful, but maybe the alternative of losing their job completely would be worse. There are always more factors to this sort of thing than meet the eye, but there are still far too many admin staff in the NHS compared to nurses where there never were before so probably most of them are not needed. Sympathy to all concerned, most of us have been made redundant or had pay freezes at some stage and we all know how horrible it is.[/p][/quote]The bankers caused it, were bailed out by the tax payer and get huge bonuses still. The hard working normal folk as always bear the brunt Davey Gravey
  • Score: 5

4:32pm Sat 2 Nov 13

Hmmmf says...

nigelej wrote:
A disgrace everyone in Swindon should stand up for these nurses . How can you want to cut there wages . Anyone who thinks different well lets hope you never need one of them

Emotional claptrap. Nurses are people doing a job and are no more 'special' or 'deserving' than anyone else. Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves.
dukeofM4 wrote:
Perhaps some of these nurses will just go abroad. They can easily earn £60,000+ abroad for doing the same job in the right country.

That would explain all the immigrant nurses and doctors in the NHS then.
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: A disgrace everyone in Swindon should stand up for these nurses . How can you want to cut there wages . Anyone who thinks different well lets hope you never need one of them [/quote] Emotional claptrap. Nurses are people doing a job and are no more 'special' or 'deserving' than anyone else. Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves. [quote][p][bold]dukeofM4[/bold] wrote: Perhaps some of these nurses will just go abroad. They can easily earn £60,000+ abroad for doing the same job in the right country.[/quote] That would explain all the immigrant nurses and doctors in the NHS then. Hmmmf
  • Score: -4

4:42pm Sat 2 Nov 13

sack_the_nhs says...

who cares about the NHS anyway ? they never did anything right for me so let them all rot and burn
who cares about the NHS anyway ? they never did anything right for me so let them all rot and burn sack_the_nhs
  • Score: -8

5:15pm Sat 2 Nov 13

nigelej says...

Hmmmf wrote:
nigelej wrote:
A disgrace everyone in Swindon should stand up for these nurses . How can you want to cut there wages . Anyone who thinks different well lets hope you never need one of them

Emotional claptrap. Nurses are people doing a job and are no more 'special' or 'deserving' than anyone else. Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves.
dukeofM4 wrote:
Perhaps some of these nurses will just go abroad. They can easily earn £60,000+ abroad for doing the same job in the right country.

That would explain all the immigrant nurses and doctors in the NHS then.
You have your opinion and I have mine .i am certainly not deluded . My wife was a nurse and I know I couldn't have done what she did . So please don't be rude . There is no need to be rude within a debate . .
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: A disgrace everyone in Swindon should stand up for these nurses . How can you want to cut there wages . Anyone who thinks different well lets hope you never need one of them [/quote] Emotional claptrap. Nurses are people doing a job and are no more 'special' or 'deserving' than anyone else. Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves. [quote][p][bold]dukeofM4[/bold] wrote: Perhaps some of these nurses will just go abroad. They can easily earn £60,000+ abroad for doing the same job in the right country.[/quote] That would explain all the immigrant nurses and doctors in the NHS then.[/p][/quote]You have your opinion and I have mine .i am certainly not deluded . My wife was a nurse and I know I couldn't have done what she did . So please don't be rude . There is no need to be rude within a debate . . nigelej
  • Score: 2

5:37pm Sat 2 Nov 13

faatmaan says...

trainee nurses on degree courses are already being tapped up as having jobs when they graduate in Swindon NHS group, what message does this send out to those close to qualification, effectively the NHS execs could be scaring the nurses they desperately need away , even though they have paid for all their training.
trainee nurses on degree courses are already being tapped up as having jobs when they graduate in Swindon NHS group, what message does this send out to those close to qualification, effectively the NHS execs could be scaring the nurses they desperately need away , even though they have paid for all their training. faatmaan
  • Score: 2

5:52pm Sat 2 Nov 13

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
This country and town is being dragged backwards by the government. They are wrecking public services, Making savage cuts to the vulnerable and ruining British working conditions. People need to wake up to this.
And also to remember who left all the debt they are trying to sort out with no other options but to make cuts!!!! On the face of it, it does sound disgraceful, but maybe the alternative of losing their job completely would be worse. There are always more factors to this sort of thing than meet the eye, but there are still far too many admin staff in the NHS compared to nurses where there never were before so probably most of them are not needed. Sympathy to all concerned, most of us have been made redundant or had pay freezes at some stage and we all know how horrible it is.
The bankers caused it, were bailed out by the tax payer and get huge bonuses still. The hard working normal folk as always bear the brunt
Yeah right, never your fault is it!!! Maybe you need to work harder then ! So what's your plan then, tax them until they leave the country with all those job cuts and the end of the financial services sector in this country, get real, just think of all the tax they pay on those bonuses and other things and taxes they pay in this country that would be lost by scaring them away. Of course if you were offered a £million bonus you would turn it down on principle, yeah right. The usual double standards of today's world.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: This country and town is being dragged backwards by the government. They are wrecking public services, Making savage cuts to the vulnerable and ruining British working conditions. People need to wake up to this.[/p][/quote]And also to remember who left all the debt they are trying to sort out with no other options but to make cuts!!!! On the face of it, it does sound disgraceful, but maybe the alternative of losing their job completely would be worse. There are always more factors to this sort of thing than meet the eye, but there are still far too many admin staff in the NHS compared to nurses where there never were before so probably most of them are not needed. Sympathy to all concerned, most of us have been made redundant or had pay freezes at some stage and we all know how horrible it is.[/p][/quote]The bankers caused it, were bailed out by the tax payer and get huge bonuses still. The hard working normal folk as always bear the brunt[/p][/quote]Yeah right, never your fault is it!!! Maybe you need to work harder then ! So what's your plan then, tax them until they leave the country with all those job cuts and the end of the financial services sector in this country, get real, just think of all the tax they pay on those bonuses and other things and taxes they pay in this country that would be lost by scaring them away. Of course if you were offered a £million bonus you would turn it down on principle, yeah right. The usual double standards of today's world. house on the hill
  • Score: -6

6:12pm Sat 2 Nov 13

Davey Gravey says...

house on the hill wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
This country and town is being dragged backwards by the government. They are wrecking public services, Making savage cuts to the vulnerable and ruining British working conditions. People need to wake up to this.
And also to remember who left all the debt they are trying to sort out with no other options but to make cuts!!!! On the face of it, it does sound disgraceful, but maybe the alternative of losing their job completely would be worse. There are always more factors to this sort of thing than meet the eye, but there are still far too many admin staff in the NHS compared to nurses where there never were before so probably most of them are not needed. Sympathy to all concerned, most of us have been made redundant or had pay freezes at some stage and we all know how horrible it is.
The bankers caused it, were bailed out by the tax payer and get huge bonuses still. The hard working normal folk as always bear the brunt
Yeah right, never your fault is it!!! Maybe you need to work harder then ! So what's your plan then, tax them until they leave the country with all those job cuts and the end of the financial services sector in this country, get real, just think of all the tax they pay on those bonuses and other things and taxes they pay in this country that would be lost by scaring them away. Of course if you were offered a £million bonus you would turn it down on principle, yeah right. The usual double standards of today's world.
Of course it's not my fault. How could it be? You need to calm down as its making you post stupid comments. You been on the pop?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: This country and town is being dragged backwards by the government. They are wrecking public services, Making savage cuts to the vulnerable and ruining British working conditions. People need to wake up to this.[/p][/quote]And also to remember who left all the debt they are trying to sort out with no other options but to make cuts!!!! On the face of it, it does sound disgraceful, but maybe the alternative of losing their job completely would be worse. There are always more factors to this sort of thing than meet the eye, but there are still far too many admin staff in the NHS compared to nurses where there never were before so probably most of them are not needed. Sympathy to all concerned, most of us have been made redundant or had pay freezes at some stage and we all know how horrible it is.[/p][/quote]The bankers caused it, were bailed out by the tax payer and get huge bonuses still. The hard working normal folk as always bear the brunt[/p][/quote]Yeah right, never your fault is it!!! Maybe you need to work harder then ! So what's your plan then, tax them until they leave the country with all those job cuts and the end of the financial services sector in this country, get real, just think of all the tax they pay on those bonuses and other things and taxes they pay in this country that would be lost by scaring them away. Of course if you were offered a £million bonus you would turn it down on principle, yeah right. The usual double standards of today's world.[/p][/quote]Of course it's not my fault. How could it be? You need to calm down as its making you post stupid comments. You been on the pop? Davey Gravey
  • Score: 3

8:15am Sun 3 Nov 13

house on the hill says...

Don't drink, never felt the need to fill my body with a mind altering depressant drug like so many others seem to. By you I meant the political party you continue to defend despite massive evidence to the contrary. So why didn't your party control the banks better when they were in power then? Everyone knew what was going on, so why did they allow it to happen. Its just too easy to blame others. Taking on a bankrupt company and turning it around is never an easy job and as always difficult decisions need to be made as is proving. Going back is not the answer, we need to learn form the past and change the future.
So what is your answer then as you clearly know more than the rest of us?
Don't drink, never felt the need to fill my body with a mind altering depressant drug like so many others seem to. By you I meant the political party you continue to defend despite massive evidence to the contrary. So why didn't your party control the banks better when they were in power then? Everyone knew what was going on, so why did they allow it to happen. Its just too easy to blame others. Taking on a bankrupt company and turning it around is never an easy job and as always difficult decisions need to be made as is proving. Going back is not the answer, we need to learn form the past and change the future. So what is your answer then as you clearly know more than the rest of us? house on the hill
  • Score: -5

10:08am Sun 3 Nov 13

Davey Gravey says...

house on the hill wrote:
Don't drink, never felt the need to fill my body with a mind altering depressant drug like so many others seem to. By you I meant the political party you continue to defend despite massive evidence to the contrary. So why didn't your party control the banks better when they were in power then? Everyone knew what was going on, so why did they allow it to happen. Its just too easy to blame others. Taking on a bankrupt company and turning it around is never an easy job and as always difficult decisions need to be made as is proving. Going back is not the answer, we need to learn form the past and change the future.
So what is your answer then as you clearly know more than the rest of us?
You and others get confused with my posts. Just because I'm critical of the Tories I'm then immediately then called labour etc. They are not my party and I don't defend them.

The financial crisis is a worldwide problem and would have happend regardless of who was in government at the time.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Don't drink, never felt the need to fill my body with a mind altering depressant drug like so many others seem to. By you I meant the political party you continue to defend despite massive evidence to the contrary. So why didn't your party control the banks better when they were in power then? Everyone knew what was going on, so why did they allow it to happen. Its just too easy to blame others. Taking on a bankrupt company and turning it around is never an easy job and as always difficult decisions need to be made as is proving. Going back is not the answer, we need to learn form the past and change the future. So what is your answer then as you clearly know more than the rest of us?[/p][/quote]You and others get confused with my posts. Just because I'm critical of the Tories I'm then immediately then called labour etc. They are not my party and I don't defend them. The financial crisis is a worldwide problem and would have happend regardless of who was in government at the time. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 5

10:26am Sun 3 Nov 13

Hmmmf says...

nigelej wrote:
My wife was a nurse and I know I couldn't have done what she did

Not biased at all then are you. And because you're incapable of something, that means people who are capable should be paid more than they're worth?
Did you know that the High Court recently ruled that incompetent nurses cannot be struck off by the NMC? Unions kept that very quiet, for obvious reasons. One of the few ways left to get rid of incompetent nurses is to have them reapply for their jobs and not re-hire them, but that doesn't fit your biased view of the world either, does it?
'Hundreds of patients are feared to have died unnecessarily at Mid Staffordshire between 2005 and 2009, and earlier this year a damning report warned that many others had suffered inhumane abuse.'
But let's not let facts get in the way of your calling for the whole of Swindon to 'stand up and fight' for nurses. And no, nigelej, pointing out that your bias is emotional claptrap isn't rude. It's merely accurate, which is why you don't like it.
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: My wife was a nurse and I know I couldn't have done what she did [/quote] Not biased at all then are you. And because you're incapable of something, that means people who are capable should be paid more than they're worth? Did you know that the High Court recently ruled that incompetent nurses cannot be struck off by the NMC? Unions kept that very quiet, for obvious reasons. One of the few ways left to get rid of incompetent nurses is to have them reapply for their jobs and not re-hire them, but that doesn't fit your biased view of the world either, does it? 'Hundreds of patients are feared to have died unnecessarily at Mid Staffordshire between 2005 and 2009, and earlier this year a damning report warned that many others had suffered inhumane abuse.' But let's not let facts get in the way of your calling for the whole of Swindon to 'stand up and fight' for nurses. And no, nigelej, pointing out that your bias is emotional claptrap isn't rude. It's merely accurate, which is why you don't like it. Hmmmf
  • Score: -1

1:57pm Sun 3 Nov 13

house on the hill says...

""""Davey Gravey says...The financial crisis is a worldwide problem and would have happend regardless of who was in government at the time."""

Agree completely but I don't think we can yet judge whether the current party is making a complete hash of trying to sort it out. I don't blame the banks completely though, individuals did also borrow themselves up to and beyond the hilt and no one forced them to do that. you don't need to be a Keynesian economic expert to know that the financial world goes in cycles and the boom always goes bust, so borrowing like there is no tomorrow will always end in tears for Govts, businesses and individuals together. The problem is that the "busts" are getting bigger and making it harder to recover. Looking around at some of the idiot politicians around today and a growing number of the electorate who seem to truly believe the inexperienced UKIP bunch are the answer, I am not sure we ever will!!!!
""""Davey Gravey says...The financial crisis is a worldwide problem and would have happend regardless of who was in government at the time.""" Agree completely but I don't think we can yet judge whether the current party is making a complete hash of trying to sort it out. I don't blame the banks completely though, individuals did also borrow themselves up to and beyond the hilt and no one forced them to do that. you don't need to be a Keynesian economic expert to know that the financial world goes in cycles and the boom always goes bust, so borrowing like there is no tomorrow will always end in tears for Govts, businesses and individuals together. The problem is that the "busts" are getting bigger and making it harder to recover. Looking around at some of the idiot politicians around today and a growing number of the electorate who seem to truly believe the inexperienced UKIP bunch are the answer, I am not sure we ever will!!!! house on the hill
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree