Nick Martin survives vote, continues as mayor of Swindon

Swindon Advertiser: Coun Nick Martin will remain Swindon's mayor Coun Nick Martin will remain Swindon's mayor

THE Mayor of Swindon, Nick Martin, survived a historic vote of no confidence last night after a heated council meeting.

A motion was put forward by the leader of the Swindon Labour Group, Coun Jim Grant (Lab, Rodbourne Cheney) after accusations the mayor made derogatory remarks about people with learning difficulties earlier this year. In October, during a presentation by a council officer into issues faced with adults with disabilities, he is alleged to have said: “They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?”

The Labour Party argued that this demeaned the position of Mayor and that Coun Nick Martin (Con, Shaw) should no longer hold the title.

He offered his resignation if the complaints against him were dropped but this was rejected and he will now face a standards hearing next year.

However, his supporters say while this investigation is underway due process should be followed and that any vote of no confidence would be to effectively find the mayor guilty before proven so.

An amendment of this nature was passed by the council and then voted through. Every member of the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives at the meeting, with the exception of Coun Garry Perkins (Con, Shaw), voted to keep the mayor in office, passing the altered motion 27-25.

Speaking after the meeting Coun Martin, who exercised his own right to vote, said: “I wish this vote had not taken place and I feel it did not need to.

“I have always cared a great deal about Swindon and the people of Swindon - each and every one of them.”

Asked if would continue his duties as normal until the standards hearing next year he defiantly said: “Why not?”

It was a lively meeting with shouts of “Shame on you” coming from the busy public gallery, when the result was announced.

Many of those who came were from disabled charities who were not only disappointed with the outcome but also that the Mayor had not resigned himself.

“I think it should never have even got this far,” said Teresa Hardman, 47, of the Swindon Advocacy Movement.

“He should have resigned straight away as soon as these allegations were made. I’m very disappointed with what has happened and that he is still here.”

The motion of no confidence against the office of mayor was thought to be the first in Swindon’s history.

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9:25pm Thu 19 Dec 13

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

So given the make up of the council, whats the betting the voting went along party lines.

With 57 seats and assuming Martin didn't get to vote on his own no confidence vote, it would appear that 4 either abstained or didn't show for the vote.
So given the make up of the council, whats the betting the voting went along party lines. With 57 seats and assuming Martin didn't get to vote on his own no confidence vote, it would appear that 4 either abstained or didn't show for the vote. LordAshOfTheBrake

9:35pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Empty Car Park says...

Given that there is usually mutual respect for the mayoral position......
Given that the position is usually awarded to a long served councillor....

I'd suggest a vote of 27 versus 25 is still a grim embarrassment to the council and Nick Martin.

Shame on the whole "organisation"
Given that there is usually mutual respect for the mayoral position...... Given that the position is usually awarded to a long served councillor.... I'd suggest a vote of 27 versus 25 is still a grim embarrassment to the council and Nick Martin. Shame on the whole "organisation" Empty Car Park

9:51pm Thu 19 Dec 13

southside7 says...

The man is a disgrace, he has no shame. Depressing saga on so very many levels.
The man is a disgrace, he has no shame. Depressing saga on so very many levels. southside7

9:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

roberto5 says...

He is our very own Berlusconi, I'm pleased with the vote we need to keep him.
He is our very own Berlusconi, I'm pleased with the vote we need to keep him. roberto5

10:02pm Thu 19 Dec 13

concerned_of_old_town says...

I have never met councillor Perkins and heard various bad reports about him surrounding how he handled wi-fi. However he has a least shown some gumption by voting against the mayor and his conservative colleagues.
I have never met councillor Perkins and heard various bad reports about him surrounding how he handled wi-fi. However he has a least shown some gumption by voting against the mayor and his conservative colleagues. concerned_of_old_town

10:51pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

Did Perkins vote against or just abstain? BBC Wiltshire said this morning that was the two options the Tories were being allowed.

He should resign, although at least the Adver has used a photo of him looking an absolute buffoon. The farcical situation would have been a tied vote, with Martin voting for himself and then using his casting vote as mayor to vote for himself again.
Did Perkins vote against or just abstain? BBC Wiltshire said this morning that was the two options the Tories were being allowed. He should resign, although at least the Adver has used a photo of him looking an absolute buffoon. The farcical situation would have been a tied vote, with Martin voting for himself and then using his casting vote as mayor to vote for himself again. Jeremy Hilary Boob

6:37am Fri 20 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

Disgusting that this excuse for a man is allowed to stay in such an office. But then typical of this badly run town and just emphasises why Swindon is the butt of many jokes. He should change his name to Stig of the Dump!
Disgusting that this excuse for a man is allowed to stay in such an office. But then typical of this badly run town and just emphasises why Swindon is the butt of many jokes. He should change his name to Stig of the Dump! house on the hill

7:25am Fri 20 Dec 13

Ringer says...

This is absolutely devastating for Jim Grant, taking the local Labour group to the brink with his motion and then, hilariously, not even being able to win the vote on this matter. And now Martin's not even going to resign (as he would have done had Labour not thought they could make a fool of him).

Talk about humilitating.

Wiping away tears of laughter as I write. This is absolutely brilliant.
This is absolutely devastating for Jim Grant, taking the local Labour group to the brink with his motion and then, hilariously, not even being able to win the vote on this matter. And now Martin's not even going to resign (as he would have done had Labour not thought they could make a fool of him). Talk about humilitating. Wiping away tears of laughter as I write. This is absolutely brilliant. Ringer

8:41am Fri 20 Dec 13

Al Smith says...

Swindon has a bad enough image without the council and councillors doing their best to make it even worse.

Let me quote a bit of Private Eye's Rotten Boroughs section from the 20th December.
"SWINDON SWINE
The Tory mayor of Swindon, Nick Martin is facing a vote of no confidence after allegedly making derogatory remarks at a presentation given by an officer explaining problems faced by disabled people.
...."

Mind you if the Sun or Daily Mail had gotten hold of this story the Tory council "leaders" would quickly have gotten rid of Mayor Martin.
Swindon has a bad enough image without the council and councillors doing their best to make it even worse. Let me quote a bit of Private Eye's Rotten Boroughs section from the 20th December. "SWINDON SWINE The Tory mayor of Swindon, Nick Martin is facing a vote of no confidence after allegedly making derogatory remarks at a presentation given by an officer explaining problems faced by disabled people. ...." Mind you if the Sun or Daily Mail had gotten hold of this story the Tory council "leaders" would quickly have gotten rid of Mayor Martin. Al Smith

9:03am Fri 20 Dec 13

Spurs Fan says...

In my opinion this is only delaying the inevitable. This is a politician that has already been reprimanded for inappropriate language and physical contact towards a female council employee. It is shame for the Tories that the mayor didn't stand down as in the long term this will damage the Council ruling party.
In my opinion this is only delaying the inevitable. This is a politician that has already been reprimanded for inappropriate language and physical contact towards a female council employee. It is shame for the Tories that the mayor didn't stand down as in the long term this will damage the Council ruling party. Spurs Fan

9:55am Fri 20 Dec 13

Wellfire says...

It should never have gone to a crude partisan vote. Both the mayoral post and the issue in question should be above that. But he's a gonner. His conduct on the issue has been odd.
It should never have gone to a crude partisan vote. Both the mayoral post and the issue in question should be above that. But he's a gonner. His conduct on the issue has been odd. Wellfire

10:22am Fri 20 Dec 13

ging999 says...

The Labour party are so desperate for power, they would do anything.
Please don't forget what they did to this country just a few short years ago.
Bankrupt the country..........all
owed two million immigrants in........robbed the pension funds............sol
d the country's gold reserves etc.
The Labour party are so desperate for power, they would do anything. Please don't forget what they did to this country just a few short years ago. Bankrupt the country..........all owed two million immigrants in........robbed the pension funds............sol d the country's gold reserves etc. ging999

10:31am Fri 20 Dec 13

Davey Gravey says...

Just goes to show that some folk will stick together no matter what.
Disgraceful.
Just goes to show that some folk will stick together no matter what. Disgraceful. Davey Gravey

10:36am Fri 20 Dec 13

Al Smith says...

ging999 wrote:
The Labour party are so desperate for power, they would do anything.
Please don't forget what they did to this country just a few short years ago.
Bankrupt the country..........all

owed two million immigrants in........robbed the pension funds............sol

d the country's gold reserves etc.
Lets talk about Swindon, since this is a Swindon matter.

SBC under Labour (2004) - surplus of £6million
SBC under Conservatives (2013) - debt of £90+ million

Swindon desperately needs fewer Turkey voters who'd vote for Christmas if you slapped a red/blue/yellow/purp
le rosette on it.

Fewer Tory/Labour sheep on here pretending (or even more scarily believing) that their party has all of the answers wouldn't go amiss either.
[quote][p][bold]ging999[/bold] wrote: The Labour party are so desperate for power, they would do anything. Please don't forget what they did to this country just a few short years ago. Bankrupt the country..........all owed two million immigrants in........robbed the pension funds............sol d the country's gold reserves etc.[/p][/quote]Lets talk about Swindon, since this is a Swindon matter. SBC under Labour (2004) - surplus of £6million SBC under Conservatives (2013) - debt of £90+ million Swindon desperately needs fewer Turkey voters who'd vote for Christmas if you slapped a red/blue/yellow/purp le rosette on it. Fewer Tory/Labour sheep on here pretending (or even more scarily believing) that their party has all of the answers wouldn't go amiss either. Al Smith

10:36am Fri 20 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Wellfire wrote:
It should never have gone to a crude partisan vote. Both the mayoral post and the issue in question should be above that. But he's a gonner. His conduct on the issue has been odd.
It was the local Labour group who forced the issue, in an attempt to make political capital out of it. Had they not done so, Martin would already have resigned and been long gone.

Jim Grant's position as leader of the local Labour group must surely now be untenable.

In the interests of equality and diversity so embraced by the Left, I believe they should replace Mr Grant with Councillor Abdul Amin as their new leader. The question is: will the local Labour group have the courage of their convictions?
[quote][p][bold]Wellfire[/bold] wrote: It should never have gone to a crude partisan vote. Both the mayoral post and the issue in question should be above that. But he's a gonner. His conduct on the issue has been odd.[/p][/quote]It was the local Labour group who forced the issue, in an attempt to make political capital out of it. Had they not done so, Martin would already have resigned and been long gone. Jim Grant's position as leader of the local Labour group must surely now be untenable. In the interests of equality and diversity so embraced by the Left, I believe they should replace Mr Grant with Councillor Abdul Amin as their new leader. The question is: will the local Labour group have the courage of their convictions? Ringer

10:43am Fri 20 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Just goes to show that some folk will stick together no matter what.
Disgraceful.
Sadly thats politics for you in all colours and why none of them will make an ounce of difference, whoever is in power they are all bad just in different ways. Those in power do anything to hold on to it and those not in power do everything to bring the others down and neither really care about the town, just the voters and their own sad egos.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Just goes to show that some folk will stick together no matter what. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Sadly thats politics for you in all colours and why none of them will make an ounce of difference, whoever is in power they are all bad just in different ways. Those in power do anything to hold on to it and those not in power do everything to bring the others down and neither really care about the town, just the voters and their own sad egos. house on the hill

10:50am Fri 20 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Just goes to show that some folk will stick together no matter what.
Disgraceful.
Solidarity, Comrade Gravey. Something your lot usually consider a virtue.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs, or whether he said what it's claimed he said, Martin was always going to win this vote. The whole debacle merely highlights the naivety of the local Labour group and why they're never going to take control of the town in the near future - certainly not until they get rid of Jim Grant, anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Just goes to show that some folk will stick together no matter what. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Solidarity, Comrade Gravey. Something your lot usually consider a virtue. Regardless of the rights and wrongs, or whether he said what it's claimed he said, Martin was always going to win this vote. The whole debacle merely highlights the naivety of the local Labour group and why they're never going to take control of the town in the near future - certainly not until they get rid of Jim Grant, anyway. Ringer

10:56am Fri 20 Dec 13

BigBarry says...

“They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?”

Very hard to believe that a up standing Mayor could be thinking and then sharing such disgraceful and wicked views.

I don't believe you can blame Labour and political bias for this, what decent human being would try and defend this behaviour? It was right to have a vote of no confidence and shame on those who have defended the indefensible, bunch of vile creatures.
“They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?” Very hard to believe that a up standing Mayor could be thinking and then sharing such disgraceful and wicked views. I don't believe you can blame Labour and political bias for this, what decent human being would try and defend this behaviour? It was right to have a vote of no confidence and shame on those who have defended the indefensible, bunch of vile creatures. BigBarry

11:05am Fri 20 Dec 13

James Smith Bowser says...

Al Smith wrote:
ging999 wrote:
The Labour party are so desperate for power, they would do anything.
Please don't forget what they did to this country just a few short years ago.
Bankrupt the country..........all


owed two million immigrants in........robbed the pension funds............sol


d the country's gold reserves etc.
Lets talk about Swindon, since this is a Swindon matter.

SBC under Labour (2004) - surplus of £6million
SBC under Conservatives (2013) - debt of £90+ million

Swindon desperately needs fewer Turkey voters who'd vote for Christmas if you slapped a red/blue/yellow/purp

le rosette on it.

Fewer Tory/Labour sheep on here pretending (or even more scarily believing) that their party has all of the answers wouldn't go amiss either.
Was the surplus anything to do with Labour putting up council tax over 40% on a few months?

Anyway, let me get this straight the mayor OFFERS TO RESIGN, Labour REFUSE then they lose the vote trying to get him done over before he has even be has even been investigated?

Find a new leader leader Labour the one you have is broken.
[quote][p][bold]Al Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ging999[/bold] wrote: The Labour party are so desperate for power, they would do anything. Please don't forget what they did to this country just a few short years ago. Bankrupt the country..........all owed two million immigrants in........robbed the pension funds............sol d the country's gold reserves etc.[/p][/quote]Lets talk about Swindon, since this is a Swindon matter. SBC under Labour (2004) - surplus of £6million SBC under Conservatives (2013) - debt of £90+ million Swindon desperately needs fewer Turkey voters who'd vote for Christmas if you slapped a red/blue/yellow/purp le rosette on it. Fewer Tory/Labour sheep on here pretending (or even more scarily believing) that their party has all of the answers wouldn't go amiss either.[/p][/quote]Was the surplus anything to do with Labour putting up council tax over 40% on a few months? Anyway, let me get this straight the mayor OFFERS TO RESIGN, Labour REFUSE then they lose the vote trying to get him done over before he has even be has even been investigated? Find a new leader leader Labour the one you have is broken. James Smith Bowser

11:17am Fri 20 Dec 13

Ringer says...

This whole debacle does show the nasty side of the local Labour group.

Rather than simply accept the mayor's resignation, which he had offered, they thought they might be able to win a vote of no confidence and thus embarrass both the mayor and the Tories as much as possible.

As anyone with ANY political nous would have known, the other two parties were always going to oppose Labour's motion, not because they want to keep Martin, but because they wanted to thwart Labour's snidely little plan.

The local Labour group have completely shot themselves in the foot over this. It won't actually matter too much because, outside of a few people at Talk Swindon who think they and their 10 friends can influence things in the town, nobody will even know what went on.

But to those who have shown an interest, it's clear that the Labour group must surely now seek to replace Jim Grant as leader. If they can't even win this vote, what could they ever hope to win?!
This whole debacle does show the nasty side of the local Labour group. Rather than simply accept the mayor's resignation, which he had offered, they thought they might be able to win a vote of no confidence and thus embarrass both the mayor and the Tories as much as possible. As anyone with ANY political nous would have known, the other two parties were always going to oppose Labour's motion, not because they want to keep Martin, but because they wanted to thwart Labour's snidely little plan. The local Labour group have completely shot themselves in the foot over this. It won't actually matter too much because, outside of a few people at Talk Swindon who think they and their 10 friends can influence things in the town, nobody will even know what went on. But to those who have shown an interest, it's clear that the Labour group must surely now seek to replace Jim Grant as leader. If they can't even win this vote, what could they ever hope to win?! Ringer

11:19am Fri 20 Dec 13

Al Smith says...

BigBarry wrote:
“They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?”

Very hard to believe that a up standing Mayor could be thinking and then sharing such disgraceful and wicked views.

I don't believe you can blame Labour and political bias for this, what decent human being would try and defend this behaviour? It was right to have a vote of no confidence and shame on those who have defended the indefensible, bunch of vile creatures.
Exactly!

Some people seem to be desperately trying to deflect attention away from Nick Martin his alleged behaviour and how his offer to resign had strings attached - he'd only have done so if the complaints made against him by two councillors were withdrawn.

In all honesty Nick Martin should never have become mayor in the first place as in October 2012 (when he was deputy mayor) he was found to be guilty of inappropriate behaviour towards a female council officer.
[quote][p][bold]BigBarry[/bold] wrote: “They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?” Very hard to believe that a up standing Mayor could be thinking and then sharing such disgraceful and wicked views. I don't believe you can blame Labour and political bias for this, what decent human being would try and defend this behaviour? It was right to have a vote of no confidence and shame on those who have defended the indefensible, bunch of vile creatures.[/p][/quote]Exactly! Some people seem to be desperately trying to deflect attention away from Nick Martin his alleged behaviour and how his offer to resign had strings attached - he'd only have done so if the complaints made against him by two councillors were withdrawn. In all honesty Nick Martin should never have become mayor in the first place as in October 2012 (when he was deputy mayor) he was found to be guilty of inappropriate behaviour towards a female council officer. Al Smith

11:22am Fri 20 Dec 13

Spurs Fan says...

Big Barry, it is very unusual to read such a succinct message on the Adver site. You are of course totally right in saying that what has been said should be above party politics. The mayor offered his resignation only so he would not get dragged through another standards committee hearing and he could resign with no further stain on his already blemished character. Our esteemed mayor knows exactly what happens next, and that he is probably finished as a local politician. As far as I am aware two other Councillors heard the alleged remarks so it does not look very encouraging.
Big Barry, it is very unusual to read such a succinct message on the Adver site. You are of course totally right in saying that what has been said should be above party politics. The mayor offered his resignation only so he would not get dragged through another standards committee hearing and he could resign with no further stain on his already blemished character. Our esteemed mayor knows exactly what happens next, and that he is probably finished as a local politician. As far as I am aware two other Councillors heard the alleged remarks so it does not look very encouraging. Spurs Fan

11:27am Fri 20 Dec 13

Spurs Fan says...

Ringer surely this whole debacle shows the nasty side of the town's mayor.? This is a man who has previously been reprimanded for conduct unbecoming. All sides should put party politics to one side and stand up for the people the mayor has wronged (on more than one occasion apparently)
Ringer surely this whole debacle shows the nasty side of the town's mayor.? This is a man who has previously been reprimanded for conduct unbecoming. All sides should put party politics to one side and stand up for the people the mayor has wronged (on more than one occasion apparently) Spurs Fan

11:51am Fri 20 Dec 13

Ringer says...

The problem is that it's not been proven that Martin DID actually say what a couple of Labour councillors claim that he said.

The fact here is that the political advancement of the local Labour group, as they saw it, was put before anything to do with the mayor himself or his alleged comments.

That's WHY those who voted down the motion did so. Can't you actually see what's happened here? The mayor is off the hook because Labour thought they could use the alleged comments for their OWN gain.

It backfired on them, miserably. Jim Grant has to go.
The problem is that it's not been proven that Martin DID actually say what a couple of Labour councillors claim that he said. The fact here is that the political advancement of the local Labour group, as they saw it, was put before anything to do with the mayor himself or his alleged comments. That's WHY those who voted down the motion did so. Can't you actually see what's happened here? The mayor is off the hook because Labour thought they could use the alleged comments for their OWN gain. It backfired on them, miserably. Jim Grant has to go. Ringer

12:06pm Fri 20 Dec 13

BeardyBill says...

Anyone who holds views like those allegedly expressed by the Mayor is morally reprehensible, and not fit to hold public office. Those that voted to support Martin have shown their true colours - support the party, and f@ck the decent townsfolk of Swindon who make up the electorate. Shame on you.....still, what do you expect from the Tories and their Liberal whores.

The honourable thing would have been to resign, and then be reinstated if found not guilty by the standards investigation. If the investigation goes against him, will he resign as a councillor? I doubt it, he'll no doubt keep troughing as long as he can.
Anyone who holds views like those allegedly expressed by the Mayor is morally reprehensible, and not fit to hold public office. Those that voted to support Martin have shown their true colours - support the party, and f@ck the decent townsfolk of Swindon who make up the electorate. Shame on you.....still, what do you expect from the Tories and their Liberal whores. The honourable thing would have been to resign, and then be reinstated if found not guilty by the standards investigation. If the investigation goes against him, will he resign as a councillor? I doubt it, he'll no doubt keep troughing as long as he can. BeardyBill

12:42pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Spurs Fan says...

Ringer you are of course correct that this has not been proven yet. However, would a truly blameless individual offer to resign his position with strings attached if he was innocent? As Beardy Bill says above the honourable thing to do would be to stand down until after the standards board.

As I said this should be above party politics as what was allegedly said was morally wrong. We already know that our mayor has a track record of inappropriate behaviour and I am afraid that this may just be another example of what our elected leaders really think of their constituents.
Ringer you are of course correct that this has not been proven yet. However, would a truly blameless individual offer to resign his position with strings attached if he was innocent? As Beardy Bill says above the honourable thing to do would be to stand down until after the standards board. As I said this should be above party politics as what was allegedly said was morally wrong. We already know that our mayor has a track record of inappropriate behaviour and I am afraid that this may just be another example of what our elected leaders really think of their constituents. Spurs Fan

12:53pm Fri 20 Dec 13

trolley dolley says...

Beardybill, so you think it is OK for someone to have to defend themselves twice on the same charge.

This is not natural justice, the Standards Board still have to meet and decide on this.

Who are the two councillors making the accusations, they should be named as the accused has been named. They cannot remain anonymous.

This feeding frenzy should stop until the Standards Board has met and given its findings.
Beardybill, so you think it is OK for someone to have to defend themselves twice on the same charge. This is not natural justice, the Standards Board still have to meet and decide on this. Who are the two councillors making the accusations, they should be named as the accused has been named. They cannot remain anonymous. This feeding frenzy should stop until the Standards Board has met and given its findings. trolley dolley

1:02pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Spurs Fan says...

How did the mayor get the job in the first place after 2012's standard's committee decision that he acted inappropriately towards a female council employee?
How did the mayor get the job in the first place after 2012's standard's committee decision that he acted inappropriately towards a female council employee? Spurs Fan

1:15pm Fri 20 Dec 13

rednwhitedynamite says...

Nick Martin is an absolute disgrace. I have met him a few times and believe me, this comment is totally IN character.
He is a corrupt, offensive, unintelligent charlatan.
Nick Martin is an absolute disgrace. I have met him a few times and believe me, this comment is totally IN character. He is a corrupt, offensive, unintelligent charlatan. rednwhitedynamite

1:46pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Ringer says...

Spurs Fan wrote:
Big Barry, it is very unusual to read such a succinct message on the Adver site. You are of course totally right in saying that what has been said should be above party politics. The mayor offered his resignation only so he would not get dragged through another standards committee hearing and he could resign with no further stain on his already blemished character. Our esteemed mayor knows exactly what happens next, and that he is probably finished as a local politician. As far as I am aware two other Councillors heard the alleged remarks so it does not look very encouraging.
Both Labour councillors, apparently.

No surprises there then...
[quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: Big Barry, it is very unusual to read such a succinct message on the Adver site. You are of course totally right in saying that what has been said should be above party politics. The mayor offered his resignation only so he would not get dragged through another standards committee hearing and he could resign with no further stain on his already blemished character. Our esteemed mayor knows exactly what happens next, and that he is probably finished as a local politician. As far as I am aware two other Councillors heard the alleged remarks so it does not look very encouraging.[/p][/quote]Both Labour councillors, apparently. No surprises there then... Ringer

2:10pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Mr_Stig says...

Ringer wrote:
The problem is that it's not been proven that Martin DID actually say what a couple of Labour councillors claim that he said. The fact here is that the political advancement of the local Labour group, as they saw it, was put before anything to do with the mayor himself or his alleged comments. That's WHY those who voted down the motion did so. Can't you actually see what's happened here? The mayor is off the hook because Labour thought they could use the alleged comments for their OWN gain. It backfired on them, miserably. Jim Grant has to go.
Really I would say labour are win / win here. They have called a motion against the idiot Martin, granted the motion failed due to the vote. But the counties biggest Pratt is still in the seat in the public eye ready for his next gaffe! Ready for them to pounce. I doubt they will have to wait long :0). Would they really want someone decent in the mayors position when they have this clown.

Failing that once the outcome of the standards comittee makes him apologise and write an apology hopefully then his own peers will drop him like the waste of oxygen he is.
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The problem is that it's not been proven that Martin DID actually say what a couple of Labour councillors claim that he said. The fact here is that the political advancement of the local Labour group, as they saw it, was put before anything to do with the mayor himself or his alleged comments. That's WHY those who voted down the motion did so. Can't you actually see what's happened here? The mayor is off the hook because Labour thought they could use the alleged comments for their OWN gain. It backfired on them, miserably. Jim Grant has to go.[/p][/quote]Really I would say labour are win / win here. They have called a motion against the idiot Martin, granted the motion failed due to the vote. But the counties biggest Pratt is still in the seat in the public eye ready for his next gaffe! Ready for them to pounce. I doubt they will have to wait long :0). Would they really want someone decent in the mayors position when they have this clown. Failing that once the outcome of the standards comittee makes him apologise and write an apology hopefully then his own peers will drop him like the waste of oxygen he is. Mr_Stig

3:01pm Fri 20 Dec 13

house on the hill says...

Mr_Stig wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The problem is that it's not been proven that Martin DID actually say what a couple of Labour councillors claim that he said. The fact here is that the political advancement of the local Labour group, as they saw it, was put before anything to do with the mayor himself or his alleged comments. That's WHY those who voted down the motion did so. Can't you actually see what's happened here? The mayor is off the hook because Labour thought they could use the alleged comments for their OWN gain. It backfired on them, miserably. Jim Grant has to go.
Really I would say labour are win / win here. They have called a motion against the idiot Martin, granted the motion failed due to the vote. But the counties biggest Pratt is still in the seat in the public eye ready for his next gaffe! Ready for them to pounce. I doubt they will have to wait long :0). Would they really want someone decent in the mayors position when they have this clown.

Failing that once the outcome of the standards comittee makes him apologise and write an apology hopefully then his own peers will drop him like the waste of oxygen he is.
Most of the are a waste of oxygen to be fair of all colours. Too busy blaming or trying to do the others down to actually do anything useful in the town.
Why on earth do we need so many councillors in just one town???? And why a Mayor? I think on a previous thread it said it cost more to have one then his various "charities" actually brought in so a complete waste of time and space. yes agree.
[quote][p][bold]Mr_Stig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The problem is that it's not been proven that Martin DID actually say what a couple of Labour councillors claim that he said. The fact here is that the political advancement of the local Labour group, as they saw it, was put before anything to do with the mayor himself or his alleged comments. That's WHY those who voted down the motion did so. Can't you actually see what's happened here? The mayor is off the hook because Labour thought they could use the alleged comments for their OWN gain. It backfired on them, miserably. Jim Grant has to go.[/p][/quote]Really I would say labour are win / win here. They have called a motion against the idiot Martin, granted the motion failed due to the vote. But the counties biggest Pratt is still in the seat in the public eye ready for his next gaffe! Ready for them to pounce. I doubt they will have to wait long :0). Would they really want someone decent in the mayors position when they have this clown. Failing that once the outcome of the standards comittee makes him apologise and write an apology hopefully then his own peers will drop him like the waste of oxygen he is.[/p][/quote]Most of the are a waste of oxygen to be fair of all colours. Too busy blaming or trying to do the others down to actually do anything useful in the town. Why on earth do we need so many councillors in just one town???? And why a Mayor? I think on a previous thread it said it cost more to have one then his various "charities" actually brought in so a complete waste of time and space. yes agree. house on the hill

3:05pm Fri 20 Dec 13

BeardyBill says...

Trolley Dolly - it's not about defending himself twice, but the general rule of thumb in any job where there is alleged gross misconduct is that the individual is suspended while the investigation takes place. If the allegations are proven, then the appropriate penalty is applied. If it's not proven, then the individual is reinstated.

Of course the same rules don't apply to our politicians as to the rest of us, and they all stick together - party loyalty over principles every time.
Trolley Dolly - it's not about defending himself twice, but the general rule of thumb in any job where there is alleged gross misconduct is that the individual is suspended while the investigation takes place. If the allegations are proven, then the appropriate penalty is applied. If it's not proven, then the individual is reinstated. Of course the same rules don't apply to our politicians as to the rest of us, and they all stick together - party loyalty over principles every time. BeardyBill

3:40pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Spurs Fan says...

Ringer, it is irrelevant that the Councillors who overheard the mayor are Labour. The mistake here is that Swindon Conservatives allowed Mr Martin to take up his mayoral duties after last year's debacle with the female council employee. this is a man who has form in behaving inappropriately. When he is undoubtedly reprimanded by standards committee in the near future further damage will be done to the Tories already ailing credibility. I ask again why would the mayor offer to stand down now only if the charges against him were dropped?
Ringer, it is irrelevant that the Councillors who overheard the mayor are Labour. The mistake here is that Swindon Conservatives allowed Mr Martin to take up his mayoral duties after last year's debacle with the female council employee. this is a man who has form in behaving inappropriately. When he is undoubtedly reprimanded by standards committee in the near future further damage will be done to the Tories already ailing credibility. I ask again why would the mayor offer to stand down now only if the charges against him were dropped? Spurs Fan

3:47pm Fri 20 Dec 13

ging999 says...

Al Smith wrote:
BigBarry wrote:
“They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?”

Very hard to believe that a up standing Mayor could be thinking and then sharing such disgraceful and wicked views.

I don't believe you can blame Labour and political bias for this, what decent human being would try and defend this behaviour? It was right to have a vote of no confidence and shame on those who have defended the indefensible, bunch of vile creatures.
Exactly!

Some people seem to be desperately trying to deflect attention away from Nick Martin his alleged behaviour and how his offer to resign had strings attached - he'd only have done so if the complaints made against him by two councillors were withdrawn.

In all honesty Nick Martin should never have become mayor in the first place as in October 2012 (when he was deputy mayor) he was found to be guilty of inappropriate behaviour towards a female council officer.
Al Smith...........the original Mr Politically Correct. What a joke you are.
[quote][p][bold]Al Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBarry[/bold] wrote: “They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?” Very hard to believe that a up standing Mayor could be thinking and then sharing such disgraceful and wicked views. I don't believe you can blame Labour and political bias for this, what decent human being would try and defend this behaviour? It was right to have a vote of no confidence and shame on those who have defended the indefensible, bunch of vile creatures.[/p][/quote]Exactly! Some people seem to be desperately trying to deflect attention away from Nick Martin his alleged behaviour and how his offer to resign had strings attached - he'd only have done so if the complaints made against him by two councillors were withdrawn. In all honesty Nick Martin should never have become mayor in the first place as in October 2012 (when he was deputy mayor) he was found to be guilty of inappropriate behaviour towards a female council officer.[/p][/quote]Al Smith...........the original Mr Politically Correct. What a joke you are. ging999

5:50pm Fri 20 Dec 13

trolley dolley says...

BeardyBill, The Standards Board are dealing with the allegations and therefore it should never have been on the Council Meeting agenda for discussion until after they had given their verdict.

If a councillor was suspended every time a complaint was made until the Standards board had met, imagine what people could do by putting in complaints against a whole political group on an individual basis. And you can bet that someone would do it.
BeardyBill, The Standards Board are dealing with the allegations and therefore it should never have been on the Council Meeting agenda for discussion until after they had given their verdict. If a councillor was suspended every time a complaint was made until the Standards board had met, imagine what people could do by putting in complaints against a whole political group on an individual basis. And you can bet that someone would do it. trolley dolley

6:05pm Fri 20 Dec 13

BeardyBill says...

Trolley Dolly,
Yes, and until they've delivered a vardict he should not be in a position of public trust/authority. Remaining as the Mayor with this hanging over his head demeans the position of Mayor, reflects poorly on the town, and by supporting him the local Tories have reinforced every stereotype of being the "nasty party" and being extremely prejudiced against the disabled.
Trolley Dolly, Yes, and until they've delivered a vardict he should not be in a position of public trust/authority. Remaining as the Mayor with this hanging over his head demeans the position of Mayor, reflects poorly on the town, and by supporting him the local Tories have reinforced every stereotype of being the "nasty party" and being extremely prejudiced against the disabled. BeardyBill

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