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Leader speaks out at bin baron claim

Swindon Advertiser: Eric Pickles Eric Pickles

THE leader of Swindon Council has defended the upcoming changes to waste collections after a stinging attack on the policy of fortnightly pick-ups by a Tory Government minister.

Local Government Secretary Eric Pickles MP issued his ‘bin bible’ to all local authorities at the weekend, saying it was important taxpayers felt they were getting value for money from their council tax.

Mr Pickles said fortnightly collections were a misery for residents and accused local authorities of spreading myths as justification for reducing the number of waste pick-ups, branding them ‘bin barons’.

“This Government is standing up for hard-working people and getting rid of barmy bin policies which made families’ lives hell,” he said.

“Rubbish collections are the most visible service that people get for their £120-a-month Council Tax bill. People deserve a comprehensive weekly service in return for their taxes.

“We have exposed 10 false fictions fortnightly bin barons cling to as excuses for cutting services. If councils adopt this new guide as their ‘bin bible’, they will be able to save taxpayers’ money and still increase the frequency and quality of rubbish and recycling collections.”

But David Renard (Con, Haydon Wick) said the decision to switch to fortnightly recycling collections, which is due to come into force next month, was vital to cut costs.

The move will also see a charge of £40 implemented for residents who want their green waste collected from March.

“I would like to invite Mr Pickles to come down to take a look at the financial situation in Swindon,” said Coun Renard.

“He is taking a look at the situation from one perspective while we are working on the frontline.

“We are one of the lowest funded authorities in the country from the Government and have one of the lowest council tax rates, therefore we are more stretched than most.

“In total we have to provide about 200 services, of which adult services are a big chunk, while also having a legal responsibility to balance the books.

“There were similar things said when we introduced the fortnightly collection for residual waste but now I get no correspondence saying it is a problem.

“If we were to go back to weekly collections then we would have to hire more people and buy more trucks and I think there are far better ways of spending the limited funds we have.”

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9:34am Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

People are not stupid. They know this cutback is not going to impact well and will lead to problems. What's next for the chop?
People are not stupid. They know this cutback is not going to impact well and will lead to problems. What's next for the chop? Davey Gravey
  • Score: -6

9:45am Mon 6 Jan 14

Morsey says...

Well then, Mr Renard, demand, via your MPs, more workable amounts of cash from YOUR government and increase the Council Tax, which has lagged behind with dire consequences during your party's reign, as you attempt to con the public into voting for your crass management of a lost cause!

Your activists were quick to, and still bleat on about how much the previous lot spent, so get your act together and do a few sums! It costs hard cash to run a Council and a Government and we ALL have to pay our way in a realistic manner.

Under the guise of cost saving, another con, you are merely getting rid of Public Sector workers across the country to feed your policies ... simple to understand that one, I'd have thought?
Well then, Mr Renard, demand, via your MPs, more workable amounts of cash from YOUR government and increase the Council Tax, which has lagged behind with dire consequences during your party's reign, as you attempt to con the public into voting for your crass management of a lost cause! Your activists were quick to, and still bleat on about how much the previous lot spent, so get your act together and do a few sums! It costs hard cash to run a Council and a Government and we ALL have to pay our way in a realistic manner. Under the guise of cost saving, another con, you are merely getting rid of Public Sector workers across the country to feed your policies ... simple to understand that one, I'd have thought? Morsey
  • Score: -8

10:18am Mon 6 Jan 14

somwal25 says...

how much extra money has been allocated in next years budget to clear fly tipping . i expect it will cost more to clear up the extra fly tipping than they collect in charges for green waste.is there a reduction in our council tax if this fortnightly collection is to save money i dont expect so.there should be as we are already paying for a certain level of rubbish collection.also will a elderly person on state pension have to pay the £40 the same rate as some one who is on £25k plus a year.
how much extra money has been allocated in next years budget to clear fly tipping . i expect it will cost more to clear up the extra fly tipping than they collect in charges for green waste.is there a reduction in our council tax if this fortnightly collection is to save money i dont expect so.there should be as we are already paying for a certain level of rubbish collection.also will a elderly person on state pension have to pay the £40 the same rate as some one who is on £25k plus a year. somwal25
  • Score: 13

10:38am Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else.

Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return.

Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come.

This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.
The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else. Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return. Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come. This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy. Ringer
  • Score: 6

10:56am Mon 6 Jan 14

PaulD says...

There is no change in the net amount of refuse/recycling that has to be collected.

Can the existing number of refuse staff/lorries cope with twice the amount to be collected?

I am happy that the wheelie bin collection works fortnightly, but I'd rather the plastics were collected weekly due to their bulk

Will residents be given even more recycling boxes to use? Ours are full each week as it is
There is no change in the net amount of refuse/recycling that has to be collected. Can the existing number of refuse staff/lorries cope with twice the amount to be collected? I am happy that the wheelie bin collection works fortnightly, but I'd rather the plastics were collected weekly due to their bulk Will residents be given even more recycling boxes to use? Ours are full each week as it is PaulD
  • Score: 21

11:12am Mon 6 Jan 14

nobody says...

Great idea from the council, encourage people to concrete over their green spaces, the green spaces that helps absorb rain unlike concrete where it will just run off.
Great idea from the council, encourage people to concrete over their green spaces, the green spaces that helps absorb rain unlike concrete where it will just run off. nobody
  • Score: 13

11:16am Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

The thumbs are being fiddled with yet again. Any chance of moderating the website adver?
The thumbs are being fiddled with yet again. Any chance of moderating the website adver? Davey Gravey
  • Score: -27

11:17am Mon 6 Jan 14

CocoaClown says...

PaulD wrote:
There is no change in the net amount of refuse/recycling that has to be collected.

Can the existing number of refuse staff/lorries cope with twice the amount to be collected?

I am happy that the wheelie bin collection works fortnightly, but I'd rather the plastics were collected weekly due to their bulk

Will residents be given even more recycling boxes to use? Ours are full each week as it is
Apparently you can purchase one!

About a month ago a leaflet came through the door about a consultation of "possible" changes to the collections. I wish they just told the truth and didn't waste our time or money on "consultations" as their minds were already made up. Why bother asking for opinions when they really don't care what we think?
[quote][p][bold]PaulD[/bold] wrote: There is no change in the net amount of refuse/recycling that has to be collected. Can the existing number of refuse staff/lorries cope with twice the amount to be collected? I am happy that the wheelie bin collection works fortnightly, but I'd rather the plastics were collected weekly due to their bulk Will residents be given even more recycling boxes to use? Ours are full each week as it is[/p][/quote]Apparently you can purchase one! About a month ago a leaflet came through the door about a consultation of "possible" changes to the collections. I wish they just told the truth and didn't waste our time or money on "consultations" as their minds were already made up. Why bother asking for opinions when they really don't care what we think? CocoaClown
  • Score: 27

11:28am Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
The thumbs are being fiddled with yet again. Any chance of moderating the website adver?
How could you *possibly* know this is happening unless you're doing it yourself?

Seriously, I'm very interested to know. You keep making these accusations yet you can't possibly have any idea how the hundreds of people who use this site might vote.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The thumbs are being fiddled with yet again. Any chance of moderating the website adver?[/p][/quote]How could you *possibly* know this is happening unless you're doing it yourself? Seriously, I'm very interested to know. You keep making these accusations yet you can't possibly have any idea how the hundreds of people who use this site might vote. Ringer
  • Score: 19

11:36am Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

Ringer wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
The thumbs are being fiddled with yet again. Any chance of moderating the website adver?
How could you *possibly* know this is happening unless you're doing it yourself?

Seriously, I'm very interested to know. You keep making these accusations yet you can't possibly have any idea how the hundreds of people who use this site might vote.
I've explained previously how I worked out someone was messing about with it.
The individual-s has tried to be clever by delaying doing it since I noticed it. Trouble is they cannot resist the temptation and still show themselves to be multiple up and down thumb voting.
One can only hope the site moderators get on top of this abuse. Same with multiple log-in accounts.
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The thumbs are being fiddled with yet again. Any chance of moderating the website adver?[/p][/quote]How could you *possibly* know this is happening unless you're doing it yourself? Seriously, I'm very interested to know. You keep making these accusations yet you can't possibly have any idea how the hundreds of people who use this site might vote.[/p][/quote]I've explained previously how I worked out someone was messing about with it. The individual-s has tried to be clever by delaying doing it since I noticed it. Trouble is they cannot resist the temptation and still show themselves to be multiple up and down thumb voting. One can only hope the site moderators get on top of this abuse. Same with multiple log-in accounts. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -22

11:55am Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...


i've explained previously how I worked out someone was messing about with it. The individual-s has tried to be clever by delaying doing it since I noticed it.


So, basically, you've convinced yourself - somehow - that people are somehow able to 'mess about' with the voting, then even when that doesn't happen it's because they've been 'clever' about outwitting your 'system' for working out that they're doing it?

Are you *sure* it's actually just that nobody is actually 'messing about' with the voting?

I have noticed certain comments on certain threads, namely those made by Empty Car Park, receive a large amount of votes very quickly, but I simply assumed that was him and his Labour comrades from Talk Swindon getting together to vote for things en masse.

The rest of the voting seems relatively similar/predictable to me. I really don't think anyone, other than you (as you've already admitted you automatically vote my posts down) and Empty Car Park, would bother wasting their time.
[quote] i've explained previously how I worked out someone was messing about with it. The individual-s has tried to be clever by delaying doing it since I noticed it. [/quote] So, basically, you've convinced yourself - somehow - that people are somehow able to 'mess about' with the voting, then even when that doesn't happen it's because they've been 'clever' about outwitting your 'system' for working out that they're doing it? Are you *sure* it's actually just that nobody is actually 'messing about' with the voting? I have noticed certain comments on certain threads, namely those made by Empty Car Park, receive a large amount of votes very quickly, but I simply assumed that was him and his Labour comrades from Talk Swindon getting together to vote for things en masse. The rest of the voting seems relatively similar/predictable to me. I really don't think anyone, other than you (as you've already admitted you automatically vote my posts down) and Empty Car Park, would bother wasting their time. Ringer
  • Score: 7

12:02pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

Ringer wrote:

i've explained previously how I worked out someone was messing about with it. The individual-s has tried to be clever by delaying doing it since I noticed it.


So, basically, you've convinced yourself - somehow - that people are somehow able to 'mess about' with the voting, then even when that doesn't happen it's because they've been 'clever' about outwitting your 'system' for working out that they're doing it?

Are you *sure* it's actually just that nobody is actually 'messing about' with the voting?

I have noticed certain comments on certain threads, namely those made by Empty Car Park, receive a large amount of votes very quickly, but I simply assumed that was him and his Labour comrades from Talk Swindon getting together to vote for things en masse.

The rest of the voting seems relatively similar/predictable to me. I really don't think anyone, other than you (as you've already admitted you automatically vote my posts down) and Empty Car Park, would bother wasting their time.
I've forgotten how many times i've asked you as it's been so many times to provide the evidence of me admitting to automatically down voting your posts?
I never said it as it would be a lie. You just trot out the same lies day after day
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote] i've explained previously how I worked out someone was messing about with it. The individual-s has tried to be clever by delaying doing it since I noticed it. [/quote] So, basically, you've convinced yourself - somehow - that people are somehow able to 'mess about' with the voting, then even when that doesn't happen it's because they've been 'clever' about outwitting your 'system' for working out that they're doing it? Are you *sure* it's actually just that nobody is actually 'messing about' with the voting? I have noticed certain comments on certain threads, namely those made by Empty Car Park, receive a large amount of votes very quickly, but I simply assumed that was him and his Labour comrades from Talk Swindon getting together to vote for things en masse. The rest of the voting seems relatively similar/predictable to me. I really don't think anyone, other than you (as you've already admitted you automatically vote my posts down) and Empty Car Park, would bother wasting their time.[/p][/quote]I've forgotten how many times i've asked you as it's been so many times to provide the evidence of me admitting to automatically down voting your posts? I never said it as it would be a lie. You just trot out the same lies day after day Davey Gravey
  • Score: -23

12:22pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

@Davey Gravey: I pointed out to you, ages ago, that you seem to reply almost immediately to my posts and that they, coincidentally, seem to receive 2 thumbs down in the few seconds between me posting and you replying.

You then admitted that you do always vote down my posts as you rarely agree with them.

I have no idea which of the hundreds of articles we had that exchange on and have absolutely no intention of searching through them just because you're unable to remember the things you've admitted to.
@Davey Gravey: I pointed out to you, ages ago, that you seem to reply almost immediately to my posts and that they, coincidentally, seem to receive 2 thumbs down in the few seconds between me posting and you replying. You then admitted that you do always vote down my posts as you rarely agree with them. I have no idea which of the hundreds of articles we had that exchange on and have absolutely no intention of searching through them just because you're unable to remember the things you've admitted to. Ringer
  • Score: -5

12:38pm Mon 6 Jan 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Ringer wrote:
The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else.

Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return.

Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come.

This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.
The NHS should now go private, this would probably pay almost the entire Nation's debt.
As for welfare (including Pensions which is the largest welfare expenditure), this should be cut too so that we can invest in the younger generation.
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else. Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return. Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come. This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.[/p][/quote]The NHS should now go private, this would probably pay almost the entire Nation's debt. As for welfare (including Pensions which is the largest welfare expenditure), this should be cut too so that we can invest in the younger generation. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -10

12:46pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

Oh, look, my last post is on -2.

What a surprise, eh, Davey?
Oh, look, my last post is on -2. What a surprise, eh, Davey? Ringer
  • Score: 0

12:47pm Mon 6 Jan 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Ringer wrote:
The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else.

Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return.

Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come.

This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.
"The UK economy is recovering from the damage caused by the FINANCIAL CRISIS" chief executive of the British Debt Management Office.
Are you still holding Labour responsible for the Global Financial crisis?
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else. Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return. Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come. This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.[/p][/quote]"The UK economy is recovering from the damage caused by the FINANCIAL CRISIS" chief executive of the British Debt Management Office. Are you still holding Labour responsible for the Global Financial crisis? A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

Today is refuse and re-cycling collection day in my street. White bags and their contents blew all over the road during the night. Contents of boxes has also blown all over the place and the stuff that doesn't fall immediately into the trucks does not get picked up by the refuse staff. The boxes are also just chucked down and are blowing all over the street. Most have broken lids and are not placed back correctly.

The blokes doing the job appear to be under pressure to work quickly hence why corners get cut. Every collection day sees litter increase in the area.
I think this will get even worse once the changes are introduced as more refuse- re-cycling will be put out and will therefore blow everywhere.
The blokes doing the job will be under even more pressure as their rounds will have more refuse- re-cycling to deal with also so it won't suddenly have them picking up what they drop and replacing boxes correctly. The situation is a joke that is going to get worse whilst our streets get messier and messier.
Today is refuse and re-cycling collection day in my street. White bags and their contents blew all over the road during the night. Contents of boxes has also blown all over the place and the stuff that doesn't fall immediately into the trucks does not get picked up by the refuse staff. The boxes are also just chucked down and are blowing all over the street. Most have broken lids and are not placed back correctly. The blokes doing the job appear to be under pressure to work quickly hence why corners get cut. Every collection day sees litter increase in the area. I think this will get even worse once the changes are introduced as more refuse- re-cycling will be put out and will therefore blow everywhere. The blokes doing the job will be under even more pressure as their rounds will have more refuse- re-cycling to deal with also so it won't suddenly have them picking up what they drop and replacing boxes correctly. The situation is a joke that is going to get worse whilst our streets get messier and messier. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 15

12:56pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

Ringer wrote:
Oh, look, my last post is on -2.

What a surprise, eh, Davey?
Nothing to do with me. Not hit any thumbs down on that comment. Report me if you like. Lets get this sorted once and for all eh?
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: Oh, look, my last post is on -2. What a surprise, eh, Davey?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with me. Not hit any thumbs down on that comment. Report me if you like. Lets get this sorted once and for all eh? Davey Gravey
  • Score: -13

12:58pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else.

Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return.

Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come.

This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.
"The UK economy is recovering from the damage caused by the FINANCIAL CRISIS" chief executive of the British Debt Management Office.
Are you still holding Labour responsible for the Global Financial crisis?
The UK's economy is still desperately trying to recover from the economic havoc wreaked on it under the last Labour government and the abysmal failure of Gordon Brown.

One element of that was the banking/financial crisis, which Brown had set up the FSA to mitigate and which, what a surprise, also FAILED.

The nation, and our children, will be paying for Labour and Brown's failures for many years to come.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else. Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return. Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come. This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.[/p][/quote]"The UK economy is recovering from the damage caused by the FINANCIAL CRISIS" chief executive of the British Debt Management Office. Are you still holding Labour responsible for the Global Financial crisis?[/p][/quote]The UK's economy is still desperately trying to recover from the economic havoc wreaked on it under the last Labour government and the abysmal failure of Gordon Brown. One element of that was the banking/financial crisis, which Brown had set up the FSA to mitigate and which, what a surprise, also FAILED. The nation, and our children, will be paying for Labour and Brown's failures for many years to come. Ringer
  • Score: 13

12:59pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Ringer wrote:
Oh, look, my last post is on -2.

What a surprise, eh, Davey?
Nothing to do with me. Not hit any thumbs down on that comment. Report me if you like. Lets get this sorted once and for all eh?
I've reported your lies plenty of times - nothing is ever done about it, sadly.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: Oh, look, my last post is on -2. What a surprise, eh, Davey?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with me. Not hit any thumbs down on that comment. Report me if you like. Lets get this sorted once and for all eh?[/p][/quote]I've reported your lies plenty of times - nothing is ever done about it, sadly. Ringer
  • Score: -4

1:02pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

Ringer wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Ringer wrote:
Oh, look, my last post is on -2.

What a surprise, eh, Davey?
Nothing to do with me. Not hit any thumbs down on that comment. Report me if you like. Lets get this sorted once and for all eh?
I've reported your lies plenty of times - nothing is ever done about it, sadly.
That would be because I am not lying and am not in the habit of doing so.
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: Oh, look, my last post is on -2. What a surprise, eh, Davey?[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with me. Not hit any thumbs down on that comment. Report me if you like. Lets get this sorted once and for all eh?[/p][/quote]I've reported your lies plenty of times - nothing is ever done about it, sadly.[/p][/quote]That would be because I am not lying and am not in the habit of doing so. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -15

1:08pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Jayne35 says...

On topic - I am more than happy with fortnightly collections on waste and plastics, may struggle at times if orange boxes are collected fortnightly though. we never leave green waste for council collection as we dispose ourselves.

Off topic - Guys come on, give it a rest! It's getting difficult to read through posts whilst scrolling to ignore the petty playground arguing. No issue if the TOPIC is being debated but it really is getting silly........
On topic - I am more than happy with fortnightly collections on waste and plastics, may struggle at times if orange boxes are collected fortnightly though. we never leave green waste for council collection as we dispose ourselves. Off topic - Guys come on, give it a rest! It's getting difficult to read through posts whilst scrolling to ignore the petty playground arguing. No issue if the TOPIC is being debated but it really is getting silly........ Jayne35
  • Score: 40

1:18pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

Jayne35 wrote:
On topic - I am more than happy with fortnightly collections on waste and plastics, may struggle at times if orange boxes are collected fortnightly though. we never leave green waste for council collection as we dispose ourselves.

Off topic - Guys come on, give it a rest! It's getting difficult to read through posts whilst scrolling to ignore the petty playground arguing. No issue if the TOPIC is being debated but it really is getting silly........
I could not agree more.

The problem lies with Davey Gravey *constantly* making baseless and childish claims about 'other' people fixing the voting (seemingly simply because it doesn't go his way and despite him voting me down twice at every opportunity - how does he actually do that you may wonder...)

The other issue is Empty Car Park's continual childish snipes and embarrassing obsessions.

If those two just cut out their c**p there'd be no problems and people could debate things in an adult manner.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne35[/bold] wrote: On topic - I am more than happy with fortnightly collections on waste and plastics, may struggle at times if orange boxes are collected fortnightly though. we never leave green waste for council collection as we dispose ourselves. Off topic - Guys come on, give it a rest! It's getting difficult to read through posts whilst scrolling to ignore the petty playground arguing. No issue if the TOPIC is being debated but it really is getting silly........[/p][/quote]I could not agree more. The problem lies with Davey Gravey *constantly* making baseless and childish claims about 'other' people fixing the voting (seemingly simply because it doesn't go his way and despite him voting me down twice at every opportunity - how does he actually do that you may wonder...) The other issue is Empty Car Park's continual childish snipes and embarrassing obsessions. If those two just cut out their c**p there'd be no problems and people could debate things in an adult manner. Ringer
  • Score: 1

1:31pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

Ringer wrote:
Jayne35 wrote:
On topic - I am more than happy with fortnightly collections on waste and plastics, may struggle at times if orange boxes are collected fortnightly though. we never leave green waste for council collection as we dispose ourselves.

Off topic - Guys come on, give it a rest! It's getting difficult to read through posts whilst scrolling to ignore the petty playground arguing. No issue if the TOPIC is being debated but it really is getting silly........
I could not agree more.

The problem lies with Davey Gravey *constantly* making baseless and childish claims about 'other' people fixing the voting (seemingly simply because it doesn't go his way and despite him voting me down twice at every opportunity - how does he actually do that you may wonder...)

The other issue is Empty Car Park's continual childish snipes and embarrassing obsessions.

If those two just cut out their c**p there'd be no problems and people could debate things in an adult manner.
I highlight the abuse,don't name the individual doing it yet you jump all over me when I mention it. Why is that I wonder?

If it stops I'll stop highlighting it. Until it does I think readers deserve to know their views could get manipulated thumbs down if it doesn't fit someones agenda. I do not do it and welcome any investigation the site moderators wish to conduct into the abuse of it. I can't be any clearer can I ?
I have not given your posts 2 votes down today despite your claims. I don't care how many thumbs down I get if they are done genuinely.
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne35[/bold] wrote: On topic - I am more than happy with fortnightly collections on waste and plastics, may struggle at times if orange boxes are collected fortnightly though. we never leave green waste for council collection as we dispose ourselves. Off topic - Guys come on, give it a rest! It's getting difficult to read through posts whilst scrolling to ignore the petty playground arguing. No issue if the TOPIC is being debated but it really is getting silly........[/p][/quote]I could not agree more. The problem lies with Davey Gravey *constantly* making baseless and childish claims about 'other' people fixing the voting (seemingly simply because it doesn't go his way and despite him voting me down twice at every opportunity - how does he actually do that you may wonder...) The other issue is Empty Car Park's continual childish snipes and embarrassing obsessions. If those two just cut out their c**p there'd be no problems and people could debate things in an adult manner.[/p][/quote]I highlight the abuse,don't name the individual doing it yet you jump all over me when I mention it. Why is that I wonder? If it stops I'll stop highlighting it. Until it does I think readers deserve to know their views could get manipulated thumbs down if it doesn't fit someones agenda. I do not do it and welcome any investigation the site moderators wish to conduct into the abuse of it. I can't be any clearer can I ? I have not given your posts 2 votes down today despite your claims. I don't care how many thumbs down I get if they are done genuinely. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -14

1:44pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...


I highlight the abuse,don't name the individual doing it yet you jump all over me when I mention it. Why is that I wonder?


Because you very clearly think it's me doing it.

I've told you that it isn't, many times, and still you make your stupid accusations that are based on precisely NOTHING.

Anyway, for clarification, maybe I've misunderstood what you've posted and would be grateful if you'd like to confirm that you do not suspect me of manipulating the voting at this site.

If you refuse to do so, I'm unsure what you meant by:


I highlight the abuse,don't name the individual doing it yet you jump all over me when I mention it. Why is that I wonder?
[quote] I highlight the abuse,don't name the individual doing it yet you jump all over me when I mention it. Why is that I wonder? [/quote] Because you very clearly think it's me doing it. I've told you that it isn't, many times, and still you make your stupid accusations that are based on precisely NOTHING. Anyway, for clarification, maybe I've misunderstood what you've posted and would be grateful if you'd like to confirm that you do not suspect me of manipulating the voting at this site. If you refuse to do so, I'm unsure what you meant by: [quote] I highlight the abuse,don't name the individual doing it yet you jump all over me when I mention it. Why is that I wonder? [/quote] Ringer
  • Score: -1

1:51pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Old Town Comment says...

beyond all the petty infighting above, I find the sad part about this is SBC with their make pretend attitude to public consultation.
Again we have a councillor pleading poverty for the town - yes probably on of those who voted for our £15m white elephant car park in the wrong spot.
Yet he organised a public consultation. 36 hours after the end of the consultation the council voted for the £40 pa green bins charge. In advance of that meeting they were handed a report that said a large response to their own consultation was clear that over half of the respondents were against the green bins solution. The reports author highlighted how strongly and consistently this opinion was held.
Realistically I believe the council should be apologising to the electorate for consulting them than ignoring the answer without making any reference to the wishes of the people.
Personally my prediction is that fly-tipping and land-fill costs will go through the roof negating all of the savings. I would like the council to announce a ringfenced budget set aside to deal with this next year.
Sounds like I am agreeing with Eric Pickles, not really I am applying simple principles of micro-economics.
beyond all the petty infighting above, I find the sad part about this is SBC with their make pretend attitude to public consultation. Again we have a councillor pleading poverty for the town - yes probably on of those who voted for our £15m white elephant car park in the wrong spot. Yet he organised a public consultation. 36 hours after the end of the consultation the council voted for the £40 pa green bins charge. In advance of that meeting they were handed a report that said a large response to their own consultation was clear that over half of the respondents were against the green bins solution. The reports author highlighted how strongly and consistently this opinion was held. Realistically I believe the council should be apologising to the electorate for consulting them than ignoring the answer without making any reference to the wishes of the people. Personally my prediction is that fly-tipping and land-fill costs will go through the roof negating all of the savings. I would like the council to announce a ringfenced budget set aside to deal with this next year. Sounds like I am agreeing with Eric Pickles, not really I am applying simple principles of micro-economics. Old Town Comment
  • Score: 19

2:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else.

Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return.

Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come.

This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.
The NHS should now go private, this would probably pay almost the entire Nation's debt.
As for welfare (including Pensions which is the largest welfare expenditure), this should be cut too so that we can invest in the younger generation.
So basically kill off the old, the vulnerable and those on benefits. Thanks Adolf!
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else. Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return. Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come. This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.[/p][/quote]The NHS should now go private, this would probably pay almost the entire Nation's debt. As for welfare (including Pensions which is the largest welfare expenditure), this should be cut too so that we can invest in the younger generation.[/p][/quote]So basically kill off the old, the vulnerable and those on benefits. Thanks Adolf! house on the hill
  • Score: 1

2:22pm Mon 6 Jan 14

BCDR99 says...

I agree with the posts about the fake consultations. The same thing happened with the new school on Tadpole Farm. There was a "consultation" that had an end date. Before that end date, the ground was being broken and materials and plant were on site. If you're going to lie, at least make a small effort to make it look like you're not lying.

Same goes with this bin nonsense. How anyone could compile all of the responses in to a meaningful report and distribute it to all concerned in that time frame, I've no idea.
I agree with the posts about the fake consultations. The same thing happened with the new school on Tadpole Farm. There was a "consultation" that had an end date. Before that end date, the ground was being broken and materials and plant were on site. If you're going to lie, at least make a small effort to make it look like you're not lying. Same goes with this bin nonsense. How anyone could compile all of the responses in to a meaningful report and distribute it to all concerned in that time frame, I've no idea. BCDR99
  • Score: 15

2:43pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringer says...

BCDR99 wrote:
I agree with the posts about the fake consultations. The same thing happened with the new school on Tadpole Farm. There was a "consultation" that had an end date. Before that end date, the ground was being broken and materials and plant were on site. If you're going to lie, at least make a small effort to make it look like you're not lying.

Same goes with this bin nonsense. How anyone could compile all of the responses in to a meaningful report and distribute it to all concerned in that time frame, I've no idea.
The only 'consultations' I've replied to have been carried out online and have been very brief and basic.

I would imagine the software that runs them would compile the comments and prepare it for emailing. It does all seem very simple, but then I guess it doesn't really need to be overly complex.

Part of the problem is that people often fall foul of the False-Consensus Bias. For example, some people are up in arms about the £40 charge for green bag waste collection. If you're faced with paying it, you're almost certainly going to think it's a bad thing and that others would too.

The thing is, I don't generate any green bag waste and nor does anyone I've spoken to about it, so to us it's not even an issue. Again, some people in that position may be tempted to think it's not a problem at all - even though some clearly feel it is.
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: I agree with the posts about the fake consultations. The same thing happened with the new school on Tadpole Farm. There was a "consultation" that had an end date. Before that end date, the ground was being broken and materials and plant were on site. If you're going to lie, at least make a small effort to make it look like you're not lying. Same goes with this bin nonsense. How anyone could compile all of the responses in to a meaningful report and distribute it to all concerned in that time frame, I've no idea.[/p][/quote]The only 'consultations' I've replied to have been carried out online and have been very brief and basic. I would imagine the software that runs them would compile the comments and prepare it for emailing. It does all seem very simple, but then I guess it doesn't really need to be overly complex. Part of the problem is that people often fall foul of the False-Consensus Bias. For example, some people are up in arms about the £40 charge for green bag waste collection. If you're faced with paying it, you're almost certainly going to think it's a bad thing and that others would too. The thing is, I don't generate any green bag waste and nor does anyone I've spoken to about it, so to us it's not even an issue. Again, some people in that position may be tempted to think it's not a problem at all - even though some clearly feel it is. Ringer
  • Score: 1

2:53pm Mon 6 Jan 14

BCDR99 says...

I don't use the green bags either but I still think it's a bad idea.

Three reasons:
1) Some people will just dump green waste rather than pay for it to be collected.
2) I thought we were supposed to be encouraging people to recycle
3) The council take this waste away, turn it in to compost and then sell it back to the public that gave it to them. Doesn't seem like a good business idea to then charge the people that are giving you free raw materials.
I don't use the green bags either but I still think it's a bad idea. Three reasons: 1) Some people will just dump green waste rather than pay for it to be collected. 2) I thought we were supposed to be encouraging people to recycle 3) The council take this waste away, turn it in to compost and then sell it back to the public that gave it to them. Doesn't seem like a good business idea to then charge the people that are giving you free raw materials. BCDR99
  • Score: 13

3:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

The Real Librarian says...

QUOTE
I get no correspondence saying it is a problem.
UNQUOTE

Of course he doesn't.

Why would people waste their time writing to someone whose mind is made up and who will ignore them.

Here’s a problem. Every summer. Every single summer, my bin becomes a maggot farm, one week in two.

I seal the food waste in sacks as best I can, but it still becomes a banquet for maggots.
QUOTE I get no correspondence saying it is a problem. UNQUOTE Of course he doesn't. Why would people waste their time writing to someone whose mind is made up and who will ignore them. Here’s a problem. Every summer. Every single summer, my bin becomes a maggot farm, one week in two. I seal the food waste in sacks as best I can, but it still becomes a banquet for maggots. The Real Librarian
  • Score: 2

3:15pm Mon 6 Jan 14

BCDR99 says...

The Real Librarian wrote:
QUOTE I get no correspondence saying it is a problem. UNQUOTE Of course he doesn't. Why would people waste their time writing to someone whose mind is made up and who will ignore them. Here’s a problem. Every summer. Every single summer, my bin becomes a maggot farm, one week in two. I seal the food waste in sacks as best I can, but it still becomes a banquet for maggots.
Really? Ours doesn't and I genuinely don't know anyone's that does. How are maggots getting in to your bin? Does the lid not fit properly? Is it crammed to the top so the lid won't shut?

In however many years of wheelie bins and fortnightly collections, we've never had maggots in our bin.
[quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: QUOTE I get no correspondence saying it is a problem. UNQUOTE Of course he doesn't. Why would people waste their time writing to someone whose mind is made up and who will ignore them. Here’s a problem. Every summer. Every single summer, my bin becomes a maggot farm, one week in two. I seal the food waste in sacks as best I can, but it still becomes a banquet for maggots.[/p][/quote]Really? Ours doesn't and I genuinely don't know anyone's that does. How are maggots getting in to your bin? Does the lid not fit properly? Is it crammed to the top so the lid won't shut? In however many years of wheelie bins and fortnightly collections, we've never had maggots in our bin. BCDR99
  • Score: 0

3:53pm Mon 6 Jan 14

CocoaClown says...

Does anyone really take notice of the thumbs up/thumbs down? Does it matter?

Seriously, very childish behaviour from what I assume to be grown adults arguing over this? Really petty. Just drop it and agree to disagree. It really is getting tiresome.

With all your wittering on about it, some people are just as likely to click either thumb just to fuel the fire and annoy you even more.
Does anyone really take notice of the thumbs up/thumbs down? Does it matter? Seriously, very childish behaviour from what I assume to be grown adults arguing over this? Really petty. Just drop it and agree to disagree. It really is getting tiresome. With all your wittering on about it, some people are just as likely to click either thumb just to fuel the fire and annoy you even more. CocoaClown
  • Score: 5

4:03pm Mon 6 Jan 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

house on the hill wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Ringer wrote:
The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else.

Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return.

Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come.

This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.
The NHS should now go private, this would probably pay almost the entire Nation's debt.
As for welfare (including Pensions which is the largest welfare expenditure), this should be cut too so that we can invest in the younger generation.
So basically kill off the old, the vulnerable and those on benefits. Thanks Adolf!
Civil servants and all welfare payments must be linked to GDP. If the country does well, then we shall share the growth equally, if the country does not do well then we shall all bear the same burden: old, young etc....
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: The big problem is that the welfare state and NHS now consume so much of the nation's money that there's literally nothing left for anything else. Combine that with the interest on debts run up by the previous Labour government and we find ourselves in the current situation of having to pay more and more tax for less and less in return. Sadly, this will be the case for many years to come, and quite likely for decades to come. This is the primary reason why Labour must never again be voted in and allowed to wreck the nation's economy.[/p][/quote]The NHS should now go private, this would probably pay almost the entire Nation's debt. As for welfare (including Pensions which is the largest welfare expenditure), this should be cut too so that we can invest in the younger generation.[/p][/quote]So basically kill off the old, the vulnerable and those on benefits. Thanks Adolf![/p][/quote]Civil servants and all welfare payments must be linked to GDP. If the country does well, then we shall share the growth equally, if the country does not do well then we shall all bear the same burden: old, young etc.... A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 0

4:11pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Trend says...

The consultation was £35 for a bin and then £35 a year for collection. So yes, initial outlay would be £70 but then it would have been £5 a year less than it is now currently going to be. Rip off!

Oh you can get new boxes for free from various library's and sports centres from 15th Jan. Have a look at the SBC recycling section for more details. Well I think they are free, it doesn't state any charge, but this is SBC so you never know!
The consultation was £35 for a bin and then £35 a year for collection. So yes, initial outlay would be £70 but then it would have been £5 a year less than it is now currently going to be. Rip off! Oh you can get new boxes for free from various library's and sports centres from 15th Jan. Have a look at the SBC recycling section for more details. Well I think they are free, it doesn't state any charge, but this is SBC so you never know! Trend
  • Score: 2

4:41pm Mon 6 Jan 14

pmc1947 says...

Can it not be arranged that Ringer and Davey Gravey take their handbags and slog it out on Wharf Green tickets could be sold to raise money for the hard pressed council.
Can it not be arranged that Ringer and Davey Gravey take their handbags and slog it out on Wharf Green tickets could be sold to raise money for the hard pressed council. pmc1947
  • Score: 17

5:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

beach1e says...

this shows how much Swindon council and Haydon Wick parish council are not there for the publics good but for their own vanity.Isnt it about time that those that pay their council tax got value for money ? how much do these councils waste on giving money away to daft schemes like the wi fi for all disgrace? how much do these councils pay their staff? do teachers get full time pay for working maybe 9 months a year?
this shows how much Swindon council and Haydon Wick parish council are not there for the publics good but for their own vanity.Isnt it about time that those that pay their council tax got value for money ? how much do these councils waste on giving money away to daft schemes like the wi fi for all disgrace? how much do these councils pay their staff? do teachers get full time pay for working maybe 9 months a year? beach1e
  • Score: 13

5:09pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Always Grumpy says...

Anyway, back to the story.
Perhaps it's not Eric Pickles that should be invited to Swindon, but the Audit Office.
Swindon Council's incompetent financial management is deserving of a thorough inspection - sooner, rather than later.
Anyway, back to the story. Perhaps it's not Eric Pickles that should be invited to Swindon, but the Audit Office. Swindon Council's incompetent financial management is deserving of a thorough inspection - sooner, rather than later. Always Grumpy
  • Score: 18

7:40pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

pmc1947 wrote:
Can it not be arranged that Ringer and Davey Gravey take their handbags and slog it out on Wharf Green tickets could be sold to raise money for the hard pressed council.
Lol. Bit of a miss match, would be over in one punch. Anyway, I wont mention the thumbs again as I appreciate people don't want to read it. People can see what has happened now I've highlighted it, so its out there. I will ignore it from now on.
[quote][p][bold]pmc1947[/bold] wrote: Can it not be arranged that Ringer and Davey Gravey take their handbags and slog it out on Wharf Green tickets could be sold to raise money for the hard pressed council.[/p][/quote]Lol. Bit of a miss match, would be over in one punch. Anyway, I wont mention the thumbs again as I appreciate people don't want to read it. People can see what has happened now I've highlighted it, so its out there. I will ignore it from now on. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 3

9:26pm Mon 6 Jan 14

KM1981 says...

Regarding David Renards' pleading poverty on behalf of Swindon Borough Clownschool-didn't stop them putting up an ugly unnecessary fountain in the middle of the town centre did it?

I think he should sort out little things like, ohh I don't know-NUMEROUS HUGE POTHOLES in the roads before wasting money on what is ultimately cosmetic.
Regarding David Renards' pleading poverty on behalf of Swindon Borough Clownschool-didn't stop them putting up an ugly unnecessary fountain in the middle of the town centre did it? I think he should sort out little things like, ohh I don't know-NUMEROUS HUGE POTHOLES in the roads before wasting money on what is ultimately cosmetic. KM1981
  • Score: 13

11:06pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ringеr says...

The Real Librarian wrote:
QUOTE
I get no correspondence saying it is a problem.
UNQUOTE

Of course he doesn't.

Why would people waste their time writing to someone whose mind is made up and who will ignore them.

Here’s a problem. Every summer. Every single summer, my bin becomes a maggot farm, one week in two.

I seal the food waste in sacks as best I can, but it still becomes a banquet for maggots.
Idiot. Learn how to manage a wheelie bin - it's not rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: QUOTE I get no correspondence saying it is a problem. UNQUOTE Of course he doesn't. Why would people waste their time writing to someone whose mind is made up and who will ignore them. Here’s a problem. Every summer. Every single summer, my bin becomes a maggot farm, one week in two. I seal the food waste in sacks as best I can, but it still becomes a banquet for maggots.[/p][/quote]Idiot. Learn how to manage a wheelie bin - it's not rocket science. Ringеr
  • Score: -11

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