Cuts could thin out police to minimum

Swindon Advertiser: Police on patrol in Wood Street, Swindon ,on a Saturday night Police on patrol in Wood Street, Swindon ,on a Saturday night

THE drive to cut costs in the face of severe reductions in funding from central government could see police in Swindon and Wiltshire reduced to the bare minimum, a top police official has said.

A baseline of 1,000 officers has been set in place by the office of the Police and Crime Commissioner, below which point the force would not be able to operate in the correct capacity.

Since 2010 there has already been a reduction of 13 per cent in the number of officers based in Wiltshire and Swindon, and further cuts could be made to the current number of 1,060 officers across the county.

Drastic savings have had to be made in recent years as government funding is expected to fall by 23 per cent between 2010 and 2016, and a consultation is underway about the possibility of increasing the police precept in council tax by £3.15 a year for the average home.

Speaking at the West Swindon Forum, Kieran Kilgallen, chief executive of the police and crime commissioner’s office in Wiltshire, said: “We are putting down a steady state of 1,000 officers across Wiltshire. We think that any number less than that would not be viable.

“Since 2010 police officer numbers have dropped by 13 per cent, but support staff have taken the biggest hit as their numbers have fallen by 19 per cent.

“We anticipate a total reduction in grants to Wiltshire of £17m, or 23 per cent, by 2016. The total funding gap as a result will be £12m. Additionally, the element of funding in council tax has been frozen since 2010. It has been possible to maintain a service because of freeze grants in each of those three years.

“However, in two to four years time further grants will be removed in one way or another. Wiltshire and Swindon has the lowest precept of any region in the south west, and the third lowest nationally, and are performing very well in consideration of that.”

Proposals to increase the council tax precept would raise £750,000 for the force, while the office of the Police and Crime Commissioner comes in at £900,000 a year. Significant investment has also had to be made, with £8m being spent on IT infrastructure.

South Swindon MP Robert Buckland said: “Wiltshire Police are doing everything they can to protect front-line services. They have had to make savings for the last few years, even before 2010, because they knew the overall picture of public spending would change, irrespective of who was in Government.

“As a force they have put themselves in as good a position as possible in terms of the reduction in their expenditure, and the work they have done so far is the right approach.”

Angus Macpherson, Police and Crime Commissioner for Wiltshire and Swindon, said: “Ensuring value for money while maintaining high quality services is very important to me. We are embracing new ways of working smarter, working with other PCCs and police forces in the south west and local partners.”

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8:11am Wed 15 Jan 14

anotherimigrant says...

The most important thing is.......

WOULD WE NOTICE ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

Angus Macpherson, Police and Crime Commissioner for Wiltshire and Swindon, said: “Ensuring value for money while maintaining high quality services is very important to me. We are embracing new ways of working smarter, working with other PCCs and police forces in the south west and local partners.”

What a crock of excrement.

How much money has been wasted, yes wasted on you and your mugging friends. The total cost just to have a Macpherson, person wasting resources is enough o solve the problem in at least one area, then you could loose the helicopter. that's 3.5 million that solves the rest of the county's problem with not having enough plods on the ground.
The most important thing is....... WOULD WE NOTICE ANYTHING DIFFERENT. Angus Macpherson, Police and Crime Commissioner for Wiltshire and Swindon, said: “Ensuring value for money while maintaining high quality services is very important to me. We are embracing new ways of working smarter, working with other PCCs and police forces in the south west and local partners.” What a crock of excrement. How much money has been wasted, yes wasted on you and your mugging friends. The total cost just to have a Macpherson, person wasting resources is enough o solve the problem in at least one area, then you could loose the helicopter. that's 3.5 million that solves the rest of the county's problem with not having enough plods on the ground. anotherimigrant

8:19am Wed 15 Jan 14

anotherimigrant says...

Proposals to increase the council tax precept would raise £750,000 for the force, while the office of the Police and Crime Commissioner comes in at £900,000 a year.

THERE
Proposals to increase the council tax precept would raise £750,000 for the force, while the office of the Police and Crime Commissioner comes in at £900,000 a year. THERE anotherimigrant

8:32am Wed 15 Jan 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

The council should give people the choice to decide!
Private neighbourhood patrols are a lot cheaper than Police officers and this would put more boots on the ground dealing with the local issues that matters to people.
The council should give people the choice to decide! Private neighbourhood patrols are a lot cheaper than Police officers and this would put more boots on the ground dealing with the local issues that matters to people. A.Baron-Cohen

9:00am Wed 15 Jan 14

ChannelX says...

This is good news. The taxpayer will save money and it's largely irrelevant how many police are on the streets whilst the rot in our courtrooms and lunacy of our judiciary is allowed to continue.

There's no point arresting anyone if all that happens is that they're continually allowed to walk free from court by our 'learned' judges. Equally, paying the police to hand out utterly pointless 'cautions' is also a complete waste of our money.
This is good news. The taxpayer will save money and it's largely irrelevant how many police are on the streets whilst the rot in our courtrooms and lunacy of our judiciary is allowed to continue. There's no point arresting anyone if all that happens is that they're continually allowed to walk free from court by our 'learned' judges. Equally, paying the police to hand out utterly pointless 'cautions' is also a complete waste of our money. ChannelX

9:02am Wed 15 Jan 14

ChannelX says...

And talking of savings to the taxpayer, do we think that the average of £250,000 per year we're forced to pay to our Crown Court judges for their salary is good value for money?
And talking of savings to the taxpayer, do we think that the average of £250,000 per year we're forced to pay to our Crown Court judges for their salary is good value for money? ChannelX

12:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Hmmmf says...

Get rid of McPherson, a worthless, powerless mouthpiece spouting corporate nonsense while doing nothing for his £70k a year. There's 3 PC's salaries right there.
Get rid of McPherson, a worthless, powerless mouthpiece spouting corporate nonsense while doing nothing for his £70k a year. There's 3 PC's salaries right there. Hmmmf

1:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

house on the hill says...

So what exactly do they class as a bare minimum anyway????

As with all of the public sector, too many chiefs and not enough indians (If I dont get arrested for saying that!)
So what exactly do they class as a bare minimum anyway???? As with all of the public sector, too many chiefs and not enough indians (If I dont get arrested for saying that!) house on the hill

1:35pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

I don't know how having less coppers on the streets is anything to celebrate?
It's just another public service getting hammered.
Our population grows in huge numbers by the year, There are more drivers on the roads by the year too yet we get less police to maintain law and order.
I don't know how having less coppers on the streets is anything to celebrate? It's just another public service getting hammered. Our population grows in huge numbers by the year, There are more drivers on the roads by the year too yet we get less police to maintain law and order. Davey Gravey

1:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
I don't know how having less coppers on the streets is anything to celebrate?
It's just another public service getting hammered.
Our population grows in huge numbers by the year, There are more drivers on the roads by the year too yet we get less police to maintain law and order.
Firstly define huge? Its estimated at about 1/2 a million a year over thE whole of the UK, thats a lot but not huge!

Secondly, there will be economies of scale savings as numbers increase, but the real problem is how the money is spend and in what areas. too many jobsworths/performan
ce managers/figure heads who have never even walked the streets and not enough front line.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: I don't know how having less coppers on the streets is anything to celebrate? It's just another public service getting hammered. Our population grows in huge numbers by the year, There are more drivers on the roads by the year too yet we get less police to maintain law and order.[/p][/quote]Firstly define huge? Its estimated at about 1/2 a million a year over thE whole of the UK, thats a lot but not huge! Secondly, there will be economies of scale savings as numbers increase, but the real problem is how the money is spend and in what areas. too many jobsworths/performan ce managers/figure heads who have never even walked the streets and not enough front line. house on the hill

1:51pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Davey Gravey says...

@house. 1/2 a million a year is like 2 towns the size of Swindon. I'd say that is alot of people entering an already highly populated island.

Agree that money should be spent wisely,but cuts don't go hand in hand with improvements I'd guess. There are already less police officers on the streets due to cut backs.
@house. 1/2 a million a year is like 2 towns the size of Swindon. I'd say that is alot of people entering an already highly populated island. Agree that money should be spent wisely,but cuts don't go hand in hand with improvements I'd guess. There are already less police officers on the streets due to cut backs. Davey Gravey

2:09pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
@house. 1/2 a million a year is like 2 towns the size of Swindon. I'd say that is alot of people entering an already highly populated island.

Agree that money should be spent wisely,but cuts don't go hand in hand with improvements I'd guess. There are already less police officers on the streets due to cut backs.
The problem is the crime figures. They're manipulated to 'show' that crime is going down, which means cuts can be made to the police force.

As I said above, it actually makes no difference how many police officers we're forced to pay for as long as the courts keep letting convicted criminals walk free to repeat their crimes, over and over and over again.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: @house. 1/2 a million a year is like 2 towns the size of Swindon. I'd say that is alot of people entering an already highly populated island. Agree that money should be spent wisely,but cuts don't go hand in hand with improvements I'd guess. There are already less police officers on the streets due to cut backs.[/p][/quote]The problem is the crime figures. They're manipulated to 'show' that crime is going down, which means cuts can be made to the police force. As I said above, it actually makes no difference how many police officers we're forced to pay for as long as the courts keep letting convicted criminals walk free to repeat their crimes, over and over and over again. ChannelX

2:43pm Wed 15 Jan 14

swindondad says...

IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving).

Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected.
Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.
IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving). Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected. Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges. swindondad

4:47pm Wed 15 Jan 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

swindondad wrote:
IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving).

Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected.
Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.
Maybe in time we should see accountable and elected Judges.....
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving). Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected. Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.[/p][/quote]Maybe in time we should see accountable and elected Judges..... A.Baron-Cohen

4:55pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ChannelX says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
swindondad wrote:
IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving).

Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected.
Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.
Maybe in time we should see accountable and elected Judges.....
If only.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving). Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected. Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.[/p][/quote]Maybe in time we should see accountable and elected Judges.....[/p][/quote]If only. ChannelX

6:47pm Wed 15 Jan 14

anotherimigrant says...

ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
swindondad wrote:
IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving).

Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected.
Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.
Maybe in time we should see accountable and elected Judges.....
If only.
If only
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving). Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected. Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.[/p][/quote]Maybe in time we should see accountable and elected Judges.....[/p][/quote]If only.[/p][/quote]If only anotherimigrant

6:52pm Wed 15 Jan 14

anotherimigrant says...

May be the adver could enlighten us by interviewing our MP Robert Buckland.

He is not only a barrister but a criminal judge, if only we all knew how the judiciary sentence someone, we could understand why criminals are laughing their socks of.

And in the run up to the elections, what a wonderful operate nitty to find out, just what did our MP do for us.
May be the adver could enlighten us by interviewing our MP Robert Buckland. He is not only a barrister but a criminal judge, if only we all knew how the judiciary sentence someone, we could understand why criminals are laughing their socks of. And in the run up to the elections, what a wonderful operate nitty to find out, just what did our MP do for us. anotherimigrant

11:05pm Wed 15 Jan 14

anotherimigrant says...

And then I could get my head around this story, but maybe not.

Judge 'lied to police to help her friend Vicky Pryce and destroy ex-cabinet minister Chris Huhne's career in speeding points case'
Lawyer and judge Constance Briscoe, 56, accused of three counts of perverting the course of justice
Claimed she lied to police about her role in exposing Chris Huhne
Also alleged she then lied again to cover up her own dishonesty
Briscoe has been suspended since her arrest in October
And then I could get my head around this story, but maybe not. Judge 'lied to police to help her friend Vicky Pryce and destroy ex-cabinet minister Chris Huhne's career in speeding points case' Lawyer and judge Constance Briscoe, 56, accused of three counts of perverting the course of justice Claimed she lied to police about her role in exposing Chris Huhne Also alleged she then lied again to cover up her own dishonesty Briscoe has been suspended since her arrest in October anotherimigrant

7:39am Thu 16 Jan 14

ChannelX says...

anotherimigrant wrote:
May be the adver could enlighten us by interviewing our MP Robert Buckland.

He is not only a barrister but a criminal judge, if only we all knew how the judiciary sentence someone, we could understand why criminals are laughing their socks of.

And in the run up to the elections, what a wonderful operate nitty to find out, just what did our MP do for us.
I have already raised the issue of the disturbing nature of our main local judge with Mr Buckland. He claimed he couldn't do anything about it, which I've since discovered is not the truth.

In short, Buckland doesn't seem to care. Even if he does, he's certainly got no intention of doing anything about the problem.
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote: May be the adver could enlighten us by interviewing our MP Robert Buckland. He is not only a barrister but a criminal judge, if only we all knew how the judiciary sentence someone, we could understand why criminals are laughing their socks of. And in the run up to the elections, what a wonderful operate nitty to find out, just what did our MP do for us.[/p][/quote]I have already raised the issue of the disturbing nature of our main local judge with Mr Buckland. He claimed he couldn't do anything about it, which I've since discovered is not the truth. In short, Buckland doesn't seem to care. Even if he does, he's certainly got no intention of doing anything about the problem. ChannelX

1:49pm Thu 16 Jan 14

house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
swindondad wrote:
IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving).

Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected.
Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.
Maybe in time we should see accountable and elected Judges.....
only when pigs fly and rivers turn to Gold I would imagine!!!
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving). Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected. Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.[/p][/quote]Maybe in time we should see accountable and elected Judges.....[/p][/quote]only when pigs fly and rivers turn to Gold I would imagine!!! house on the hill

12:49am Fri 17 Jan 14

anotherimigrant says...

ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
swindondad wrote:
IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving).

Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected.
Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.
Maybe in time we should see accountable and elected Judges.....
If only.
Indeed. Try complaining about a wrong judgement. You may as we'll go to beachy head and urinate into the wind.

Judges are a law unto themselves. They answer to no one.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: IMHO it is not a lack of police officers that the public should be concerned about. more the lack of an effective criminal justice system. Even when criminals are caught they are either not prosecuted at all or given ridiculously lenient sentences (see the national news yesterday 140 hours community service for causing DEATH by careless driving). Criminals go unpunished and the public unprotected. Do not blame the police (most do a great job) blame the CPS, the Magistrates and the Judges.[/p][/quote]Maybe in time we should see accountable and elected Judges.....[/p][/quote]If only.[/p][/quote]Indeed. Try complaining about a wrong judgement. You may as we'll go to beachy head and urinate into the wind. Judges are a law unto themselves. They answer to no one. anotherimigrant

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