OAPs fear bid to get rid of structure at bus stop

Swindon Advertiser: Croft Road residents are angry about the possible removable of the bus shelter Croft Road residents are angry about the possible removable of the bus shelter

ELDERLY bus passengers are scared for their future health if proposals to remove their bus shelter are passed by Swindon Council.

A public consultation on the removal of the shelter near the south Tismeads Crescent junction of Croft Road on the north-east bound carriageway has been opened.

Residents around the area have been receiving requests for their views on the move, which would retain the bus stop but replace the shelter with a pole and sign.

The proposals have been drawn up in response to concerns from residents living behind the shelter, who have complained of antisocial behaviour and littering attracted by glass structure.

But those who rely on the bus for access to and from the town centre every day, have hit out at the plans and raised concerns for their own health if the refuge was removed.

Sheila Sutton, 85, of Glenwood Close, said: “I have used and relied on this bus stop for 25 years. I use the bus every day and can’t walk any further than this shelter.”

Winifred Sayer, 81, also of Glen-wood Close, said: “When we come up here with a cold when it is tipping down with rain, we would be soaking wet before we even go shopping to get our food.

“A lot of us are going to get pneumonia if this shelter is taken away.”

Many of those opposing the proposals are convinced the damage and poor behaviour associated with the shelter does not exist, and feel the reasons being given for the removal are not adequate.

The plans stem from the views of residents who live near the shelter. They have stuck a two-page letter on it to explain their reasons for wanting the stop downsized, citing five antisocial incidents since October.

When the Adver contacted them, they declined to comment.

Winifred has suggested a surveillance camera be installed to monitor any antisocial behaviour, rather than remove the shelter altogether.

Another resident, Nikki Dressler, 35, of Croft Road, said she had lived in the road her whole life and had never experienced antisocial behaviour in connection with the shelter.

A letter from Coun Claire Ellis, a prospective Conservative candidate for Old Town, has written to residents on the matter.

She said: “They (the residents) do not want the bus stop to be removed, but instead to be downsized.

“Unfortunately, it has become a hub for young people to congregate, leading to vandalism, noise and other criminal activity. The policing team are helping, but unfortunately they cannot always be present.”

Residents must submit comments before March 7 in writing to Swindon Council or email passengertransport@swindon.gov.uk

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7:42am Thu 20 Feb 14

swindondad says...

“Unfortunately, it has become a hub for young people to congregate, leading to vandalism, noise and other criminal activity."

So why punish the bus users when you could catch and prosecute the criminals? How hard / expensive (removing the shelter will have a cost) would it be to put up a couple of cameras and check the images each time there is trouble?
“Unfortunately, it has become a hub for young people to congregate, leading to vandalism, noise and other criminal activity." So why punish the bus users when you could catch and prosecute the criminals? How hard / expensive (removing the shelter will have a cost) would it be to put up a couple of cameras and check the images each time there is trouble? swindondad

9:09am Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Far easier to inconvenience the public at large than it ever is to arrest, charge and deal with guilty criminals - you must know that by now?

It's also long overdue for the council to reconsider their misguided policy of housing youths in hostels within inner-urban areas such as Old Town. It has been nothing short of a disaster and makes zero common sense, tending to suggest it was dreamt up by social services types who must largely be ignored when it comes to such things.
Far easier to inconvenience the public at large than it ever is to arrest, charge and deal with guilty criminals - you must know that by now? It's also long overdue for the council to reconsider their misguided policy of housing youths in hostels within inner-urban areas such as Old Town. It has been nothing short of a disaster and makes zero common sense, tending to suggest it was dreamt up by social services types who must largely be ignored when it comes to such things. ChannelX

10:22am Thu 20 Feb 14

Davidsyrett says...

“Unfortunately, it has become a hub for young people to congregate, leading to vandalism, noise and other criminal activity."

This would probably mean all bus shelters should be removed, what a ridiculous statement, as said above find and deal with the culprits, not penalise people who use the shelter properly.
“Unfortunately, it has become a hub for young people to congregate, leading to vandalism, noise and other criminal activity." This would probably mean all bus shelters should be removed, what a ridiculous statement, as said above find and deal with the culprits, not penalise people who use the shelter properly. Davidsyrett

11:31am Thu 20 Feb 14

Itssomewheretowork says...

From the photo I am not sure how useful the current shelter is? The prevailing wind and rain direction is from the west and there is only a glass screen on the east side. I think the users should petition for a better shelter with glass both sides. The photo begs the question don't the males in the croft area use buses!
From the photo I am not sure how useful the current shelter is? The prevailing wind and rain direction is from the west and there is only a glass screen on the east side. I think the users should petition for a better shelter with glass both sides. The photo begs the question don't the males in the croft area use buses! Itssomewheretowork

4:50pm Thu 20 Feb 14

therock4u says...

The residents that want the shelter removed, have seen more goings on in 9 months than my family and other residents have in 40+ years.

I can't see the point of a camera as there would only see people waiting for a bus, These people would be the only ones occupying the shelter.

But what comes to mind is why buy the house knowing that the Bus Shelter was there anyway.
I use the bus shelter every day, and although very thin, it does at least offer some sort of protection from the weather and spray from passing traffic.

Quote: “Unfortunately, it has become a hub for young people to congregate, leading to vandalism, noise and other criminal activity."

Must be ghosts. No criminals to catch

It is after all a main road in and out of Swindon, so if you want peace and quiet, why choose a main road.
The residents that want the shelter removed, have seen more goings on in 9 months than my family and other residents have in 40+ years. I can't see the point of a camera as there would only see people waiting for a bus, These people would be the only ones occupying the shelter. But what comes to mind is why buy the house knowing that the Bus Shelter was there anyway. I use the bus shelter every day, and although very thin, it does at least offer some sort of protection from the weather and spray from passing traffic. Quote: “Unfortunately, it has become a hub for young people to congregate, leading to vandalism, noise and other criminal activity." Must be ghosts. No criminals to catch It is after all a main road in and out of Swindon, so if you want peace and quiet, why choose a main road. therock4u

7:41pm Thu 20 Feb 14

timt1964 says...

why do you need to waste time on "public consultations"? half the residents probably dont even use the buses.putting up a bus shelter then deciding to rip it down because a few idiots hang around there is just ridiculous.oh hold on,this is swindon after all so its pretty normal to waste time and money.as for "downsizing" it,how stupid.installing a camera that will probably be nicked or smashed is another daft idea.
why do you need to waste time on "public consultations"? half the residents probably dont even use the buses.putting up a bus shelter then deciding to rip it down because a few idiots hang around there is just ridiculous.oh hold on,this is swindon after all so its pretty normal to waste time and money.as for "downsizing" it,how stupid.installing a camera that will probably be nicked or smashed is another daft idea. timt1964

9:45am Fri 21 Feb 14

Shelsheboo says...

The people who are protesting against the bus stop as quoted are OAP's. If they feel that this bustop is not a problem why dont the council move it to outside their address.

I drive past this bus stop everyday and more often than not it has been smashed in and yellow tape all the way round. Surely the broken glass is more of an issue for children and OAPs than down sizing the shelter.

I can honestly say i hardly see anyone at this bus stop and it would be interesting to get the data from the bus companys to see how may pick ups are being made from this stop.

I think it is in a stupid place, just off of the round about and could be placed nearer to the OAPs as they are called in this artical and surely they wont need to walk as far.
Then they can see for themselves the young people abusing this area in the early hours of the morning. The reason people dont always see the trouble at this stop is because is happens between 12 am and 4 am.
The people who are protesting against the bus stop as quoted are OAP's. If they feel that this bustop is not a problem why dont the council move it to outside their address. I drive past this bus stop everyday and more often than not it has been smashed in and yellow tape all the way round. Surely the broken glass is more of an issue for children and OAPs than down sizing the shelter. I can honestly say i hardly see anyone at this bus stop and it would be interesting to get the data from the bus companys to see how may pick ups are being made from this stop. I think it is in a stupid place, just off of the round about and could be placed nearer to the OAPs as they are called in this artical and surely they wont need to walk as far. Then they can see for themselves the young people abusing this area in the early hours of the morning. The reason people dont always see the trouble at this stop is because is happens between 12 am and 4 am. Shelsheboo

5:58pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Old time farmer says...

This article is so comical!! “When we come up here with a cold when it is tipping down with rain, we would be soaking wet before we even go shopping to get our food.
How do you possibly manage the other end once the bus drops you off? Does it drop you right outside the shop and picks you back up from outside the shops?
“A lot of us are going to get pneumonia if this shelter is taken away.”
The bus shop is responsible for keeping you healthy. Better timing for catching the bus and sensible clothing is the key here. Not a stationary object such as a shelter with no ends and broken glass!!!
Many of those opposing the proposals are convinced the damage and poor behaviour associated with the shelter does not exist, and feel the reasons being given for the removal are not adequate. Must be ghosts is my favourite line, the council would not even hear this case without the criminal evidence!!! That is police reports not ghosts!,

I use this bus once a week I am open for change, the proposal is to move the stop closer the the addresses mention in the add if you speak to the council but Cary on complaining the shelter will be down sized so can't be vandalised. This is what costs us tax payers!!! Anyone of the ladies who choses to lie about that shelter being covered in bright yellow tape for the last month due to the damage is only lying to themselves if they use the bus that often they would certainly see the eye saw tape!!!!!

Think people need a hobby or be except able to change. It's a bus shelter not a human being it does not keep us healthy or safe it's it is that much of a problem for residence due to the young people abusing it, like they do a lot of things in this day and age then have a heart and let them move it.
This article is so comical!! “When we come up here with a cold when it is tipping down with rain, we would be soaking wet before we even go shopping to get our food. How do you possibly manage the other end once the bus drops you off? Does it drop you right outside the shop and picks you back up from outside the shops? “A lot of us are going to get pneumonia if this shelter is taken away.” The bus shop is responsible for keeping you healthy. Better timing for catching the bus and sensible clothing is the key here. Not a stationary object such as a shelter with no ends and broken glass!!! Many of those opposing the proposals are convinced the damage and poor behaviour associated with the shelter does not exist, and feel the reasons being given for the removal are not adequate. Must be ghosts is my favourite line, the council would not even hear this case without the criminal evidence!!! That is police reports not ghosts!, I use this bus once a week I am open for change, the proposal is to move the stop closer the the addresses mention in the add if you speak to the council but Cary on complaining the shelter will be down sized so can't be vandalised. This is what costs us tax payers!!! Anyone of the ladies who choses to lie about that shelter being covered in bright yellow tape for the last month due to the damage is only lying to themselves if they use the bus that often they would certainly see the eye saw tape!!!!! Think people need a hobby or be except able to change. It's a bus shelter not a human being it does not keep us healthy or safe it's it is that much of a problem for residence due to the young people abusing it, like they do a lot of things in this day and age then have a heart and let them move it. Old time farmer

6:40pm Fri 21 Feb 14

therock4u says...

Sorry there was not any broken glass, it is Perspex, and therefore not so sharp.

Quote:I can honestly say i hardly see anyone at this bus stop and it would be interesting to get the data from the bus companys to see how may pick ups are being made from this stop.
Many more than you will see driving past once a day.

You think it's a stupid place then the previous owners wanted it moved to the dip at the bottom just where the traffic merges.

Sorry to disssapoint you on the times, but I have looked out at various times during the evening/night, and have never seen the problems that are supposed to have happened, even when I have come home in the early hours.

The tape was used as a reminder that there was not any Perspex there.
Health and safety, in case you don't know.
Sorry there was not any broken glass, it is Perspex, and therefore not so sharp. Quote:I can honestly say i hardly see anyone at this bus stop and it would be interesting to get the data from the bus companys to see how may pick ups are being made from this stop. Many more than you will see driving past once a day. You think it's a stupid place then the previous owners wanted it moved to the dip at the bottom just where the traffic merges. Sorry to disssapoint you on the times, but I have looked out at various times during the evening/night, and have never seen the problems that are supposed to have happened, even when I have come home in the early hours. The tape was used as a reminder that there was not any Perspex there. Health and safety, in case you don't know. therock4u

7:45pm Fri 21 Feb 14

marlborough2 says...

therock4u wrote:
Sorry there was not any broken glass, it is Perspex, and therefore not so sharp.

Quote:I can honestly say i hardly see anyone at this bus stop and it would be interesting to get the data from the bus companys to see how may pick ups are being made from this stop.
Many more than you will see driving past once a day.

You think it's a stupid place then the previous owners wanted it moved to the dip at the bottom just where the traffic merges.

Sorry to disssapoint you on the times, but I have looked out at various times during the evening/night, and have never seen the problems that are supposed to have happened, even when I have come home in the early hours.

The tape was used as a reminder that there was not any Perspex there.
Health and safety, in case you don't know.
There is still shards of glass under the stop, instead of looking out your window how about going and taking a look!.? In fact instead of hiding behind your computer and twitching from your windows trying to manipulate people into your way of thinking, go and confront the residents and talk to them like we did!
[quote][p][bold]therock4u[/bold] wrote: Sorry there was not any broken glass, it is Perspex, and therefore not so sharp. Quote:I can honestly say i hardly see anyone at this bus stop and it would be interesting to get the data from the bus companys to see how may pick ups are being made from this stop. Many more than you will see driving past once a day. You think it's a stupid place then the previous owners wanted it moved to the dip at the bottom just where the traffic merges. Sorry to disssapoint you on the times, but I have looked out at various times during the evening/night, and have never seen the problems that are supposed to have happened, even when I have come home in the early hours. The tape was used as a reminder that there was not any Perspex there. Health and safety, in case you don't know.[/p][/quote]There is still shards of glass under the stop, instead of looking out your window how about going and taking a look!.? In fact instead of hiding behind your computer and twitching from your windows trying to manipulate people into your way of thinking, go and confront the residents and talk to them like we did! marlborough2

8:12pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Old time farmer says...

therock4u wrote:
Sorry there was not any broken glass, it is Perspex, and therefore not so sharp.

Quote:I can honestly say i hardly see anyone at this bus stop and it would be interesting to get the data from the bus companys to see how may pick ups are being made from this stop.
Many more than you will see driving past once a day.

You think it's a stupid place then the previous owners wanted it moved to the dip at the bottom just where the traffic merges.

Sorry to disssapoint you on the times, but I have looked out at various times during the evening/night, and have never seen the problems that are supposed to have happened, even when I have come home in the early hours.

The tape was used as a reminder that there was not any Perspex there.
Health and safety, in case you don't know.
Sorry to disssapoint you on the times, but I have looked out at various times during the evening/night, and have never seen the problems that are supposed to have happened, even when I have come home in the early hours. The police and the council have all the police reports people have been charged with the damage. Do your research about this as I did.
So as you say a camera would only catch people catching the bus I guess you damaged the shelter! The bus goers!
As I said before it's a bus stop it is not the end of the world if moved really is it. You will not stay any dryer when going out in bad weather. You won't stay any cooler when hot.
[quote][p][bold]therock4u[/bold] wrote: Sorry there was not any broken glass, it is Perspex, and therefore not so sharp. Quote:I can honestly say i hardly see anyone at this bus stop and it would be interesting to get the data from the bus companys to see how may pick ups are being made from this stop. Many more than you will see driving past once a day. You think it's a stupid place then the previous owners wanted it moved to the dip at the bottom just where the traffic merges. Sorry to disssapoint you on the times, but I have looked out at various times during the evening/night, and have never seen the problems that are supposed to have happened, even when I have come home in the early hours. The tape was used as a reminder that there was not any Perspex there. Health and safety, in case you don't know.[/p][/quote]Sorry to disssapoint you on the times, but I have looked out at various times during the evening/night, and have never seen the problems that are supposed to have happened, even when I have come home in the early hours. The police and the council have all the police reports people have been charged with the damage. Do your research about this as I did. So as you say a camera would only catch people catching the bus I guess you damaged the shelter! The bus goers! As I said before it's a bus stop it is not the end of the world if moved really is it. You will not stay any dryer when going out in bad weather. You won't stay any cooler when hot. Old time farmer

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