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Health assessment protest at Job Centre

Swindon Advertiser: Protesters outside the Job Centre in Princes Street Protesters outside the Job Centre in Princes Street

PROTESTERS took to the streets to demonstrate against the government’s controversial use of ATOS, the company commissioned to vet the benefit applications of sick and disabled people signed off work by their doctors.

Yesterday local activists from Swindon People’s Assembly and members of disability groups gathered outside the Job Centre on Princes Street where the firm’s contentious medicals – which help decide whether a person on disability benefits is in fact fit for work– are held.

The practice was deemed disgraceful by campaigners who claimed people unable to work due to a physical disability or mental health issues were too often wrongly stripped of their livelihood and told they should be in employment.

Kate Linnegar, of Swindon People’s Assembly, said: “ATOS have been misdiagnosing the cases of Swindon residents for years, causing unnecessary misery and stress and branding ill people as liars.

“The government uses ATOS to do its dirty work by trying to force the disabled off benefits by claiming they can work and withholding money they need to cope with their disability or illness.

“The tests involve sitting in a chair and asking people if they can make a cup of tea. They do not assess if a sick person can work in a realistic way.”

She also claimed that the assessment went against health professional’s best advice and drove many to despair.

“The government portrays people who can’t work as lazy and scroungers which is a disgrace. These individuals should be assessed by their GP who know their medical history.”

According to figures published by the Department for Work and Pensions, between January and November 2011, nationally 10,600 people died within six weeks of their claim ending.

Sean Wilson, an independent Financial Advisor who had to give up work added: “I have won two tribunals against ATOS. Independent panels of doctors and judges have agreed with my GP’s original assessment and found against ATOS.”

Losing the sum they relied on to retain their independence despite their health issues, disability or profound learning difficulty has had a dire impact on claimants’ health, according to Terry Couchman, who runs advocacy group Your Choice.

“ATOS is actually knocking down a lot of people with mental health issues.

“Benefits are there primarily to enable people with disabilities or mental health issues to be more independent, get help and live better. If it stops they end up worse off.

“It’s more than just about money. It has an impact on their health and mental health. It’s the loss of their dignity and the resources which allowed them to do something for themselves.

“Saying they are fit to work does not mean they will be able to find a job.”

“So they are just left with nothing.”

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6:27am Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them).

Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it.

I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?
The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them). Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it. I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'? ChannelX
  • Score: -4

6:58am Thu 20 Feb 14

swindondad says...

Being "sick" or "disabled" should not mean you can't work and have to rely on benefits!

It just means that there are some jobs you can't do.

If you are confined to a wheelchair then the production line at Honda is probably out of the question but you might still be able to work at a desk in their HR department. If you have trouble dealing with crowds / noise the working the till at ASDA would be a bad fit but maybe you would be a great landscape gardener. For those who have genuinely “incapable” of “any work” then there must be support from society but there must be a system of assessment, checks and balances.

I think it would be better (for the claimants and society) if more thought / effort was put into finding "sick" and "disabled" people suitable work.
Being "sick" or "disabled" should not mean you can't work and have to rely on benefits! It just means that there are some jobs you can't do. If you are confined to a wheelchair then the production line at Honda is probably out of the question but you might still be able to work at a desk in their HR department. If you have trouble dealing with crowds / noise the working the till at ASDA would be a bad fit but maybe you would be a great landscape gardener. For those who have genuinely “incapable” of “any work” then there must be support from society but there must be a system of assessment, checks and balances. I think it would be better (for the claimants and society) if more thought / effort was put into finding "sick" and "disabled" people suitable work. swindondad
  • Score: 24

8:10am Thu 20 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

swindondad wrote:
Being "sick" or "disabled" should not mean you can't work and have to rely on benefits!

It just means that there are some jobs you can't do.

If you are confined to a wheelchair then the production line at Honda is probably out of the question but you might still be able to work at a desk in their HR department. If you have trouble dealing with crowds / noise the working the till at ASDA would be a bad fit but maybe you would be a great landscape gardener. For those who have genuinely “incapable” of “any work” then there must be support from society but there must be a system of assessment, checks and balances.

I think it would be better (for the claimants and society) if more thought / effort was put into finding "sick" and "disabled" people suitable work.
Excellent post and the height of common sense which is why it will probably be ignored.

Also agree with the first post that the usual "rent a mob" will hijack anything and everything to spout their stupid left wing ideals that would not only bankrupt the country but are also grossly unfair on those who do choose to make the effort. We should be responsible for our own lives, not looking at the state to do everything for us. The numbers truly unable to do any sort of work are in reality very small and must of course be helped but all others should be helped to find something suitable.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: Being "sick" or "disabled" should not mean you can't work and have to rely on benefits! It just means that there are some jobs you can't do. If you are confined to a wheelchair then the production line at Honda is probably out of the question but you might still be able to work at a desk in their HR department. If you have trouble dealing with crowds / noise the working the till at ASDA would be a bad fit but maybe you would be a great landscape gardener. For those who have genuinely “incapable” of “any work” then there must be support from society but there must be a system of assessment, checks and balances. I think it would be better (for the claimants and society) if more thought / effort was put into finding "sick" and "disabled" people suitable work.[/p][/quote]Excellent post and the height of common sense which is why it will probably be ignored. Also agree with the first post that the usual "rent a mob" will hijack anything and everything to spout their stupid left wing ideals that would not only bankrupt the country but are also grossly unfair on those who do choose to make the effort. We should be responsible for our own lives, not looking at the state to do everything for us. The numbers truly unable to do any sort of work are in reality very small and must of course be helped but all others should be helped to find something suitable. house on the hill
  • Score: 4

8:19am Thu 20 Feb 14

The Witch says...

This happened to my late husband, his GP told him because of his medical condition in his opinion my husband would not be able to work again. After spending some months on 'the club' he then had to see a government doctor to be assessed to see if he was indeed fit for work, however this doctor upheld my husband's GP 's assessment.
So to those out there who are so afraid they will be made to go back to work, if your case is serious you have nothing to fear but if you are living off us, the taxpayers and are found fit for work, all power to the government, many of us are fed up of the abuse of the Welfare State!
This happened to my late husband, his GP told him because of his medical condition in his opinion my husband would not be able to work again. After spending some months on 'the club' he then had to see a government doctor to be assessed to see if he was indeed fit for work, however this doctor upheld my husband's GP 's assessment. So to those out there who are so afraid they will be made to go back to work, if your case is serious you have nothing to fear but if you are living off us, the taxpayers and are found fit for work, all power to the government, many of us are fed up of the abuse of the Welfare State! The Witch
  • Score: 7

8:32am Thu 20 Feb 14

jmarsig says...

I was asked if I can move a carton of milk from right to the left of me and reach for a pen in my pocket, OK you can work now , dam , well , what about when I bent over and get dizzy and my arthritis and feta something on my feet, like walking on nails and partly blind there are times I sit in a chair for hrs , to rest do to my illness and heart problems and I just turned 60 as well .
I was asked if I can move a carton of milk from right to the left of me and reach for a pen in my pocket, OK you can work now , dam , well , what about when I bent over and get dizzy and my arthritis and feta something on my feet, like walking on nails and partly blind there are times I sit in a chair for hrs , to rest do to my illness and heart problems and I just turned 60 as well . jmarsig
  • Score: 2

8:56am Thu 20 Feb 14

jmarsig says...

I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all
I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all jmarsig
  • Score: -4

8:59am Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Yes, there are chancers in every walk of life. However, just because some bankers are a bit shady doesn't mean it's OK for people who aren't sick to pretend they are and steal from the rest of us.

It's amazing how many millions of people ask 'God' to 'bless us all' each and every day... and yet look around you. I'd say those requests are falling on somewhat deaf ears.
Yes, there are chancers in every walk of life. However, just because some bankers are a bit shady doesn't mean it's OK for people who aren't sick to pretend they are and steal from the rest of us. It's amazing how many millions of people ask 'God' to 'bless us all' each and every day... and yet look around you. I'd say those requests are falling on somewhat deaf ears. ChannelX
  • Score: -8

10:31am Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Yes there are people in all walks of life who will abuse any system that they can. No matter if it is bankers taking millions or benefit fraud I dont see the difference surely theft is theft?
Well done ChanX your amazing ability to point out the obvious is sharp as ever.
I have read the article a couple of times and cannot see any reference to anyone asking for gods help would you mind pointing it out if so?
Personally I dont see how looking at jobs people could do would ever be a bad thing as long as that job takes into account disabilities.
Other things to take into consideration would be what care this person may need in the work place do they need help to use the bathroom? would there be any potential health and safety issues that may arise?
Transparent investigations are whats called for where the expectation is clearly laid out and a time line established, the reverse of this is that all investigations should be public and transparent including that of bankers....maybe a time line of associated bankers deals and promotions irrelevant of job performance there are a number of examples of this and investigation is labeled as slander? Where as accusing someone on benefits of fraud seem to be just fine no matter if you are a doctor or an uneducated mouth piece spouting opinion?
Yes there are people in all walks of life who will abuse any system that they can. No matter if it is bankers taking millions or benefit fraud I dont see the difference surely theft is theft? Well done ChanX your amazing ability to point out the obvious is sharp as ever. I have read the article a couple of times and cannot see any reference to anyone asking for gods help would you mind pointing it out if so? Personally I dont see how looking at jobs people could do would ever be a bad thing as long as that job takes into account disabilities. Other things to take into consideration would be what care this person may need in the work place do they need help to use the bathroom? would there be any potential health and safety issues that may arise? Transparent investigations are whats called for where the expectation is clearly laid out and a time line established, the reverse of this is that all investigations should be public and transparent including that of bankers....maybe a time line of associated bankers deals and promotions irrelevant of job performance there are a number of examples of this and investigation is labeled as slander? Where as accusing someone on benefits of fraud seem to be just fine no matter if you are a doctor or an uneducated mouth piece spouting opinion? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 7

11:01am Thu 20 Feb 14

anyopinion says...

ChannelX wrote:
The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them).

Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it.

I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?
no comment
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them). Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it. I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?[/p][/quote]no comment anyopinion
  • Score: -4

11:21am Thu 20 Feb 14

anyopinion says...

Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons...
I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check!
Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons... I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check! anyopinion
  • Score: 4

11:23am Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

anyopinion wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them).

Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it.

I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?
no comment
Good job you posted.
[quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them). Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it. I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?[/p][/quote]no comment[/p][/quote]Good job you posted. ChannelX
  • Score: -7

11:28am Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

anyopinion wrote:
Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons...
I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check!
Yes, that's the usual thinly veiled threat offered by those who believe they're the 'caring' type. How pleasant.

The fact is that we live in reality, we cannot just hand out loads of money to anyone and everyone who wants it.

Like most others, I have *no* problem *at all* with those who are in genuine dire straits - through no fault of their own - and who need assistance, financial or otherwise.

What I DO have a problem with is people electing to find ways of securing enough money from the benefits system to ensure they don't have to bother working when they very much could do.

Don't even both replying with 'But not everyone's a scrounger' because I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware, along with millions of others, that there ARE hundreds of thousands of people who know only too well how to play a system that is ripe for abuse.

And in that regard, I would also say that it's the system at fault as much as it is those who exploit it.

'Compassion' does not equal throwing other people's money at people who can't be arsed to do anything. In fact, doing so is anything but compassionate, it's merely enabling.
[quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote: Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons... I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check![/p][/quote]Yes, that's the usual thinly veiled threat offered by those who believe they're the 'caring' type. How pleasant. The fact is that we live in reality, we cannot just hand out loads of money to anyone and everyone who wants it. Like most others, I have *no* problem *at all* with those who are in genuine dire straits - through no fault of their own - and who need assistance, financial or otherwise. What I DO have a problem with is people electing to find ways of securing enough money from the benefits system to ensure they don't have to bother working when they very much could do. Don't even both replying with 'But not everyone's a scrounger' because I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware, along with millions of others, that there ARE hundreds of thousands of people who know only too well how to play a system that is ripe for abuse. And in that regard, I would also say that it's the system at fault as much as it is those who exploit it. 'Compassion' does not equal throwing other people's money at people who can't be arsed to do anything. In fact, doing so is anything but compassionate, it's merely enabling. ChannelX
  • Score: 2

11:34am Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

anyopinion wrote:
Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons...
I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check!
Its pointless allot of the time I think the comments are just trolling for the sake of it.
No sense of reality for how the world we live in is....ChanX may well of worked hard and now claims his pension etc that is fine but to sit back looking down at all others (and judging by your comments you do) is plain ignorant.
Ignoring the problems of our society is fine if that is your choice but when it affects you directly as it will eventually you are not allowed to then ask for assistance.
[quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote: Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons... I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check![/p][/quote]Its pointless allot of the time I think the comments are just trolling for the sake of it. No sense of reality for how the world we live in is....ChanX may well of worked hard and now claims his pension etc that is fine but to sit back looking down at all others (and judging by your comments you do) is plain ignorant. Ignoring the problems of our society is fine if that is your choice but when it affects you directly as it will eventually you are not allowed to then ask for assistance. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 3

11:38am Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
anyopinion wrote:
Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons...
I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check!
Its pointless allot of the time I think the comments are just trolling for the sake of it.
No sense of reality for how the world we live in is....ChanX may well of worked hard and now claims his pension etc that is fine but to sit back looking down at all others (and judging by your comments you do) is plain ignorant.
Ignoring the problems of our society is fine if that is your choice but when it affects you directly as it will eventually you are not allowed to then ask for assistance.
Many of the problems in society are actually caused by the welfare state and our refusal to accept 'how the world we live in is'.

Do you suppose there are thousands of people not working in Africa due to 'depression'?
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote: Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons... I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check![/p][/quote]Its pointless allot of the time I think the comments are just trolling for the sake of it. No sense of reality for how the world we live in is....ChanX may well of worked hard and now claims his pension etc that is fine but to sit back looking down at all others (and judging by your comments you do) is plain ignorant. Ignoring the problems of our society is fine if that is your choice but when it affects you directly as it will eventually you are not allowed to then ask for assistance.[/p][/quote]Many of the problems in society are actually caused by the welfare state and our refusal to accept 'how the world we live in is'. Do you suppose there are thousands of people not working in Africa due to 'depression'? ChannelX
  • Score: -4

11:42am Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
anyopinion wrote:
Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons...
I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check!
Yes, that's the usual thinly veiled threat offered by those who believe they're the 'caring' type. How pleasant.

The fact is that we live in reality, we cannot just hand out loads of money to anyone and everyone who wants it.

Like most others, I have *no* problem *at all* with those who are in genuine dire straits - through no fault of their own - and who need assistance, financial or otherwise.

What I DO have a problem with is people electing to find ways of securing enough money from the benefits system to ensure they don't have to bother working when they very much could do.

Don't even both replying with 'But not everyone's a scrounger' because I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware, along with millions of others, that there ARE hundreds of thousands of people who know only too well how to play a system that is ripe for abuse.

And in that regard, I would also say that it's the system at fault as much as it is those who exploit it.

'Compassion' does not equal throwing other people's money at people who can't be arsed to do anything. In fact, doing so is anything but compassionate, it's merely enabling.
When our MP`s and leaders are skimming as much money as they can from political "donations" to political measures that only benefit those who passed the law (wonga etc).
How can government expect the massed to follow the law when they seem to be taking all they can get? Not exactly a good example.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote: Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons... I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check![/p][/quote]Yes, that's the usual thinly veiled threat offered by those who believe they're the 'caring' type. How pleasant. The fact is that we live in reality, we cannot just hand out loads of money to anyone and everyone who wants it. Like most others, I have *no* problem *at all* with those who are in genuine dire straits - through no fault of their own - and who need assistance, financial or otherwise. What I DO have a problem with is people electing to find ways of securing enough money from the benefits system to ensure they don't have to bother working when they very much could do. Don't even both replying with 'But not everyone's a scrounger' because I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware, along with millions of others, that there ARE hundreds of thousands of people who know only too well how to play a system that is ripe for abuse. And in that regard, I would also say that it's the system at fault as much as it is those who exploit it. 'Compassion' does not equal throwing other people's money at people who can't be arsed to do anything. In fact, doing so is anything but compassionate, it's merely enabling.[/p][/quote]When our MP`s and leaders are skimming as much money as they can from political "donations" to political measures that only benefit those who passed the law (wonga etc). How can government expect the massed to follow the law when they seem to be taking all they can get? Not exactly a good example. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

11:50am Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
anyopinion wrote:
Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons...
I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check!
Yes, that's the usual thinly veiled threat offered by those who believe they're the 'caring' type. How pleasant.

The fact is that we live in reality, we cannot just hand out loads of money to anyone and everyone who wants it.

Like most others, I have *no* problem *at all* with those who are in genuine dire straits - through no fault of their own - and who need assistance, financial or otherwise.

What I DO have a problem with is people electing to find ways of securing enough money from the benefits system to ensure they don't have to bother working when they very much could do.

Don't even both replying with 'But not everyone's a scrounger' because I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware, along with millions of others, that there ARE hundreds of thousands of people who know only too well how to play a system that is ripe for abuse.

And in that regard, I would also say that it's the system at fault as much as it is those who exploit it.

'Compassion' does not equal throwing other people's money at people who can't be arsed to do anything. In fact, doing so is anything but compassionate, it's merely enabling.
When our MP`s and leaders are skimming as much money as they can from political "donations" to political measures that only benefit those who passed the law (wonga etc).
How can government expect the massed to follow the law when they seem to be taking all they can get? Not exactly a good example.
Ah, so the idea is that as long as you can point to somebody else playing the system, it's fine for you to play the system?

I know people who think that people on benefits should have ALL their money stopped and be made to just get on with it... so does that make it OK for me to think that also?
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote: Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons... I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check![/p][/quote]Yes, that's the usual thinly veiled threat offered by those who believe they're the 'caring' type. How pleasant. The fact is that we live in reality, we cannot just hand out loads of money to anyone and everyone who wants it. Like most others, I have *no* problem *at all* with those who are in genuine dire straits - through no fault of their own - and who need assistance, financial or otherwise. What I DO have a problem with is people electing to find ways of securing enough money from the benefits system to ensure they don't have to bother working when they very much could do. Don't even both replying with 'But not everyone's a scrounger' because I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware, along with millions of others, that there ARE hundreds of thousands of people who know only too well how to play a system that is ripe for abuse. And in that regard, I would also say that it's the system at fault as much as it is those who exploit it. 'Compassion' does not equal throwing other people's money at people who can't be arsed to do anything. In fact, doing so is anything but compassionate, it's merely enabling.[/p][/quote]When our MP`s and leaders are skimming as much money as they can from political "donations" to political measures that only benefit those who passed the law (wonga etc). How can government expect the massed to follow the law when they seem to be taking all they can get? Not exactly a good example.[/p][/quote]Ah, so the idea is that as long as you can point to somebody else playing the system, it's fine for you to play the system? I know people who think that people on benefits should have ALL their money stopped and be made to just get on with it... so does that make it OK for me to think that also? ChannelX
  • Score: 1

11:53am Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
anyopinion wrote:
Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons...
I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check!
Its pointless allot of the time I think the comments are just trolling for the sake of it.
No sense of reality for how the world we live in is....ChanX may well of worked hard and now claims his pension etc that is fine but to sit back looking down at all others (and judging by your comments you do) is plain ignorant.
Ignoring the problems of our society is fine if that is your choice but when it affects you directly as it will eventually you are not allowed to then ask for assistance.
Many of the problems in society are actually caused by the welfare state and our refusal to accept 'how the world we live in is'.

Do you suppose there are thousands of people not working in Africa due to 'depression'?
What?????
Any thought process behind that? Anything to back that up?
What are you suggesting? That just over a billion people in Africa there not those suffering with depression?
Any particular country in Africa or as a continent.
Your ignorance is startling.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote: Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons... I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check![/p][/quote]Its pointless allot of the time I think the comments are just trolling for the sake of it. No sense of reality for how the world we live in is....ChanX may well of worked hard and now claims his pension etc that is fine but to sit back looking down at all others (and judging by your comments you do) is plain ignorant. Ignoring the problems of our society is fine if that is your choice but when it affects you directly as it will eventually you are not allowed to then ask for assistance.[/p][/quote]Many of the problems in society are actually caused by the welfare state and our refusal to accept 'how the world we live in is'. Do you suppose there are thousands of people not working in Africa due to 'depression'?[/p][/quote]What????? Any thought process behind that? Anything to back that up? What are you suggesting? That just over a billion people in Africa there not those suffering with depression? Any particular country in Africa or as a continent. Your ignorance is startling. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 5

12:08pm Thu 20 Feb 14

beach1e says...

its a fact that some of those claiming they are unfit for work are liars,you only have to look at the ones caught out regularly. its a fact that some that claim they cant get work is because they cant be bothered to apply for work. it is far too easy to sit back and get rich by claiming and taking from those that are genuine, its the same with those that live in subsidised housing that is too big for their needs, they are stealing from those in genuine neeed. until the jobcentre and other agencies do their jobs properly, this situation will not change.. there are very few people who cant do any kind of work,, the rest just enjoy stealing from taxpayers.
its a fact that some of those claiming they are unfit for work are liars,you only have to look at the ones caught out regularly. its a fact that some that claim they cant get work is because they cant be bothered to apply for work. it is far too easy to sit back and get rich by claiming and taking from those that are genuine, its the same with those that live in subsidised housing that is too big for their needs, they are stealing from those in genuine neeed. until the jobcentre and other agencies do their jobs properly, this situation will not change.. there are very few people who cant do any kind of work,, the rest just enjoy stealing from taxpayers. beach1e
  • Score: 4

12:37pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
anyopinion wrote:
Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons...
I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check!
Yes, that's the usual thinly veiled threat offered by those who believe they're the 'caring' type. How pleasant.

The fact is that we live in reality, we cannot just hand out loads of money to anyone and everyone who wants it.

Like most others, I have *no* problem *at all* with those who are in genuine dire straits - through no fault of their own - and who need assistance, financial or otherwise.

What I DO have a problem with is people electing to find ways of securing enough money from the benefits system to ensure they don't have to bother working when they very much could do.

Don't even both replying with 'But not everyone's a scrounger' because I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware, along with millions of others, that there ARE hundreds of thousands of people who know only too well how to play a system that is ripe for abuse.

And in that regard, I would also say that it's the system at fault as much as it is those who exploit it.

'Compassion' does not equal throwing other people's money at people who can't be arsed to do anything. In fact, doing so is anything but compassionate, it's merely enabling.
When our MP`s and leaders are skimming as much money as they can from political "donations" to political measures that only benefit those who passed the law (wonga etc).
How can government expect the massed to follow the law when they seem to be taking all they can get? Not exactly a good example.
Ah, so the idea is that as long as you can point to somebody else playing the system, it's fine for you to play the system?

I know people who think that people on benefits should have ALL their money stopped and be made to just get on with it... so does that make it OK for me to think that also?
Well the DM forum is indeed popular I would imagine you only know people of like minded views.
If you read the comment I said the LAW makers, the people who say it is wrong to take what you are not entitled to are themselves guilty of it.
How can you expect the public to follow laws when law makers are so hypocritical.
Stopping all benefits to who? so all assisted payments as well including pensions that are assisted by government? winter heating?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote: Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons... I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check![/p][/quote]Yes, that's the usual thinly veiled threat offered by those who believe they're the 'caring' type. How pleasant. The fact is that we live in reality, we cannot just hand out loads of money to anyone and everyone who wants it. Like most others, I have *no* problem *at all* with those who are in genuine dire straits - through no fault of their own - and who need assistance, financial or otherwise. What I DO have a problem with is people electing to find ways of securing enough money from the benefits system to ensure they don't have to bother working when they very much could do. Don't even both replying with 'But not everyone's a scrounger' because I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware, along with millions of others, that there ARE hundreds of thousands of people who know only too well how to play a system that is ripe for abuse. And in that regard, I would also say that it's the system at fault as much as it is those who exploit it. 'Compassion' does not equal throwing other people's money at people who can't be arsed to do anything. In fact, doing so is anything but compassionate, it's merely enabling.[/p][/quote]When our MP`s and leaders are skimming as much money as they can from political "donations" to political measures that only benefit those who passed the law (wonga etc). How can government expect the massed to follow the law when they seem to be taking all they can get? Not exactly a good example.[/p][/quote]Ah, so the idea is that as long as you can point to somebody else playing the system, it's fine for you to play the system? I know people who think that people on benefits should have ALL their money stopped and be made to just get on with it... so does that make it OK for me to think that also?[/p][/quote]Well the DM forum is indeed popular I would imagine you only know people of like minded views. If you read the comment I said the LAW makers, the people who say it is wrong to take what you are not entitled to are themselves guilty of it. How can you expect the public to follow laws when law makers are so hypocritical. Stopping all benefits to who? so all assisted payments as well including pensions that are assisted by government? winter heating? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

12:39pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
anyopinion wrote:
Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons...
I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check!
Yes, that's the usual thinly veiled threat offered by those who believe they're the 'caring' type. How pleasant.

The fact is that we live in reality, we cannot just hand out loads of money to anyone and everyone who wants it.

Like most others, I have *no* problem *at all* with those who are in genuine dire straits - through no fault of their own - and who need assistance, financial or otherwise.

What I DO have a problem with is people electing to find ways of securing enough money from the benefits system to ensure they don't have to bother working when they very much could do.

Don't even both replying with 'But not everyone's a scrounger' because I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware, along with millions of others, that there ARE hundreds of thousands of people who know only too well how to play a system that is ripe for abuse.

And in that regard, I would also say that it's the system at fault as much as it is those who exploit it.

'Compassion' does not equal throwing other people's money at people who can't be arsed to do anything. In fact, doing so is anything but compassionate, it's merely enabling.
When our MP`s and leaders are skimming as much money as they can from political "donations" to political measures that only benefit those who passed the law (wonga etc).
How can government expect the massed to follow the law when they seem to be taking all they can get? Not exactly a good example.
Ah, so the idea is that as long as you can point to somebody else playing the system, it's fine for you to play the system?

I know people who think that people on benefits should have ALL their money stopped and be made to just get on with it... so does that make it OK for me to think that also?
Well the DM forum is indeed popular I would imagine you only know people of like minded views.
If you read the comment I said the LAW makers, the people who say it is wrong to take what you are not entitled to are themselves guilty of it.
How can you expect the public to follow laws when law makers are so hypocritical.
Stopping all benefits to who? so all assisted payments as well including pensions that are assisted by government? winter heating?
Are we just moving on past your ignorant comment about Africa?
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote: Actually no...I will comment on ChannelX post...you seem to be one of those few individuals in society who are detached from any feelings of compassion towards their fellow human beings (especially those in need), just like those on the front bench in the House of Commons... I hope you'll never have to be in 'need' yourself...because that will be your reality check![/p][/quote]Yes, that's the usual thinly veiled threat offered by those who believe they're the 'caring' type. How pleasant. The fact is that we live in reality, we cannot just hand out loads of money to anyone and everyone who wants it. Like most others, I have *no* problem *at all* with those who are in genuine dire straits - through no fault of their own - and who need assistance, financial or otherwise. What I DO have a problem with is people electing to find ways of securing enough money from the benefits system to ensure they don't have to bother working when they very much could do. Don't even both replying with 'But not everyone's a scrounger' because I'm fully aware of that. I'm also aware, along with millions of others, that there ARE hundreds of thousands of people who know only too well how to play a system that is ripe for abuse. And in that regard, I would also say that it's the system at fault as much as it is those who exploit it. 'Compassion' does not equal throwing other people's money at people who can't be arsed to do anything. In fact, doing so is anything but compassionate, it's merely enabling.[/p][/quote]When our MP`s and leaders are skimming as much money as they can from political "donations" to political measures that only benefit those who passed the law (wonga etc). How can government expect the massed to follow the law when they seem to be taking all they can get? Not exactly a good example.[/p][/quote]Ah, so the idea is that as long as you can point to somebody else playing the system, it's fine for you to play the system? I know people who think that people on benefits should have ALL their money stopped and be made to just get on with it... so does that make it OK for me to think that also?[/p][/quote]Well the DM forum is indeed popular I would imagine you only know people of like minded views. If you read the comment I said the LAW makers, the people who say it is wrong to take what you are not entitled to are themselves guilty of it. How can you expect the public to follow laws when law makers are so hypocritical. Stopping all benefits to who? so all assisted payments as well including pensions that are assisted by government? winter heating?[/p][/quote]Are we just moving on past your ignorant comment about Africa? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

1:00pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Suindone says...

ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser.
Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory!
Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants.
Check this if you do not believe me:
http://www.bnp.org.u
k/sites/default/file
s/manifesto.pdf
Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why? Suindone
  • Score: -1

1:12pm Thu 20 Feb 14

swindondad says...

Suindone wrote:
ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
I find it "extremely annoying" that you are accusing me of being either a troll or a UKIP voter. If you had bothered to read my posts, (even just today’s) you would see that I am neither.

Go back and read my post on this storey (again maybe?) and tell me what within it you think is "unfair", "right wing" or "trollish".

Once you have done so I will graciously accept your apology should you be honest enough to offer one.
[quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]I find it "extremely annoying" that you are accusing me of being either a troll or a UKIP voter. If you had bothered to read my posts, (even just today’s) you would see that I am neither. Go back and read my post on this storey (again maybe?) and tell me what within it you think is "unfair", "right wing" or "trollish". Once you have done so I will graciously accept your apology should you be honest enough to offer one. swindondad
  • Score: 1

1:17pm Thu 20 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

jmarsig wrote:
I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all
I think you are right, you are not fit to work!!!!
[quote][p][bold]jmarsig[/bold] wrote: I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all[/p][/quote]I think you are right, you are not fit to work!!!! house on the hill
  • Score: 0

1:18pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Suindone wrote:
ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser.
Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory!
Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants.
Check this if you do not believe me:
http://www.bnp.org.u

k/sites/default/file

s/manifesto.pdf
Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters.
They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -4

1:26pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

house on the hill wrote:
jmarsig wrote:
I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all
I think you are right, you are not fit to work!!!!
May I ask why you deem jmarsig to be unfit for work?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jmarsig[/bold] wrote: I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all[/p][/quote]I think you are right, you are not fit to work!!!![/p][/quote]May I ask why you deem jmarsig to be unfit for work? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

1:28pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Suindone wrote:
ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser.
Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory!
Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants.
Check this if you do not believe me:
http://www.bnp.org.u

k/sites/default/file

s/manifesto.pdf
Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
And I find it extremely tedious that the same old left-wing, Labour supporting rentamob immediately label anyone they disagree with as a 'troll'. Grow up... although, being of a left-wing persuasion you'll likely find that impossible.

What would you want to discuss about 'the Jews', by the way?
[quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]And I find it extremely tedious that the same old left-wing, Labour supporting rentamob immediately label anyone they disagree with as a 'troll'. Grow up... although, being of a left-wing persuasion you'll likely find that impossible. What would you want to discuss about 'the Jews', by the way? ChannelX
  • Score: -3

1:28pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

swindondad wrote:
Suindone wrote:
ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
I find it "extremely annoying" that you are accusing me of being either a troll or a UKIP voter. If you had bothered to read my posts, (even just today’s) you would see that I am neither.

Go back and read my post on this storey (again maybe?) and tell me what within it you think is "unfair", "right wing" or "trollish".

Once you have done so I will graciously accept your apology should you be honest enough to offer one.
I thought your first comment was valid and a fine idea to be fair. I see no reason why people cant be evaluated to see what jobs they may be suited to.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]I find it "extremely annoying" that you are accusing me of being either a troll or a UKIP voter. If you had bothered to read my posts, (even just today’s) you would see that I am neither. Go back and read my post on this storey (again maybe?) and tell me what within it you think is "unfair", "right wing" or "trollish". Once you have done so I will graciously accept your apology should you be honest enough to offer one.[/p][/quote]I thought your first comment was valid and a fine idea to be fair. I see no reason why people cant be evaluated to see what jobs they may be suited to. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

1:29pm Thu 20 Feb 14

swindondad says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Suindone wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.
I can't speak for the others you choose to "slander" but I only have one user name on this site and I have been using it for at least five years.

Just because you do not agree with someone else’s opinion does not automatically make them wrong or lose them the right to express themselves.

If any group is acting "like trolls" you are more likely to be a part of it than me.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.[/p][/quote]I can't speak for the others you choose to "slander" but I only have one user name on this site and I have been using it for at least five years. Just because you do not agree with someone else’s opinion does not automatically make them wrong or lose them the right to express themselves. If any group is acting "like trolls" you are more likely to be a part of it than me. swindondad
  • Score: 4

1:34pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Suindone wrote:
ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser.
Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory!
Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants.
Check this if you do not believe me:
http://www.bnp.org.u


k/sites/default/file


s/manifesto.pdf
Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters.
They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.
I often think all the naive, uninformed and parochial left-wing views sound like they come from exactly the same person... or Labour HQ's PR department. You're no different.

The left always resort to calling people 'trolls' or claiming people are 'ignorant' if they don't agree with your 1970s, sixth-form debating corner, trade unionesque nonsense.

You do realise your Labour pals achieved just 29% of the vote at the last general election? The 'nasty toffs' achieved 36.1% - not because people particularly agreed with or liked them, but because most people are sick to death of Labour/the left's naive, unworkable and demonstrably diastrous policies and ideology. Your way simply does not work - and never will.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.[/p][/quote]I often think all the naive, uninformed and parochial left-wing views sound like they come from exactly the same person... or Labour HQ's PR department. You're no different. The left always resort to calling people 'trolls' or claiming people are 'ignorant' if they don't agree with your 1970s, sixth-form debating corner, trade unionesque nonsense. You do realise your Labour pals achieved just 29% of the vote at the last general election? The 'nasty toffs' achieved 36.1% - not because people particularly agreed with or liked them, but because most people are sick to death of Labour/the left's naive, unworkable and demonstrably diastrous policies and ideology. Your way simply does not work - and never will. ChannelX
  • Score: 3

1:35pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

swindondad wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Suindone wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.
I can't speak for the others you choose to "slander" but I only have one user name on this site and I have been using it for at least five years.

Just because you do not agree with someone else’s opinion does not automatically make them wrong or lose them the right to express themselves.

If any group is acting "like trolls" you are more likely to be a part of it than me.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.[/p][/quote]I can't speak for the others you choose to "slander" but I only have one user name on this site and I have been using it for at least five years. Just because you do not agree with someone else’s opinion does not automatically make them wrong or lose them the right to express themselves. If any group is acting "like trolls" you are more likely to be a part of it than me.[/p][/quote]Well said. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Thu 20 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

Suindone wrote:
ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser.
Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory!
Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants.
Check this if you do not believe me:
http://www.bnp.org.u

k/sites/default/file

s/manifesto.pdf
Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
Clearly the only Troll is you making nasty personal attacks on individuals you know very little about. I think UKIP are a bunch of morons and if you bothered to read some of my posts you would see I detest politics and politicians too of all parties. What is wrong in expecting people to be more responsible for their actions and choices instead of finding endless excuses or blaming everyone but the one who made the choice.
Easy to criticise from behind your keyboard, so what is you answer to all the countries problems then? And just so you know I think getting out of Europe would be an economic disaster.
[quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]Clearly the only Troll is you making nasty personal attacks on individuals you know very little about. I think UKIP are a bunch of morons and if you bothered to read some of my posts you would see I detest politics and politicians too of all parties. What is wrong in expecting people to be more responsible for their actions and choices instead of finding endless excuses or blaming everyone but the one who made the choice. Easy to criticise from behind your keyboard, so what is you answer to all the countries problems then? And just so you know I think getting out of Europe would be an economic disaster. house on the hill
  • Score: -1

1:41pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Hmmmf says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.

Certsinly hasn't slowed you down any in this thread.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.[/quote] Certsinly hasn't slowed you down any in this thread. Hmmmf
  • Score: 2

2:42pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

swindondad wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Suindone wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.
I can't speak for the others you choose to "slander" but I only have one user name on this site and I have been using it for at least five years.

Just because you do not agree with someone else’s opinion does not automatically make them wrong or lose them the right to express themselves.

If any group is acting "like trolls" you are more likely to be a part of it than me.
Slander...do you understand the definition? "I often think" and made general quote describing the opinions stated. Is not slander that is an opinion.

There have been percentages and opinions thrown around with no source and are only opinions but have been stated as fact. Without any supporting evidence and often wildly off the make is a pretty good example of ignorance.

Swindondad I agreed with your first post.
Also I am not a group.

I think the voting is funny that you bother does it matter to you what your comments score? surely this is a discussion forum where other opinions are to be considered and a counter discussion offered way to much "I AM RIGHT SHOUTING"

The basis of a discussion is point and counter point.

More percentages again ChanX I presume these were the ones you could find to support you.
ChanX you have also said I slandered you because I said your opinion was ignorant. May I remind you?
"Do you suppose there are thousands of people not working in Africa due to 'depression'?"
You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?

House - you are describing people as keyboard warriors ??? what else would you suggest a public forum where we could all talk?
I dont think anyone said they had the answer to all the countries problems other than "cut benefits to all" short cut to thinking there.

WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.[/p][/quote]I can't speak for the others you choose to "slander" but I only have one user name on this site and I have been using it for at least five years. Just because you do not agree with someone else’s opinion does not automatically make them wrong or lose them the right to express themselves. If any group is acting "like trolls" you are more likely to be a part of it than me.[/p][/quote]Slander...do you understand the definition? "I often think" and made general quote describing the opinions stated. Is not slander that is an opinion. There have been percentages and opinions thrown around with no source and are only opinions but have been stated as fact. Without any supporting evidence and often wildly off the make is a pretty good example of ignorance. Swindondad I agreed with your first post. Also I am not a group. I think the voting is funny that you bother does it matter to you what your comments score? surely this is a discussion forum where other opinions are to be considered and a counter discussion offered way to much "I AM RIGHT SHOUTING" The basis of a discussion is point and counter point. More percentages again ChanX I presume these were the ones you could find to support you. ChanX you have also said I slandered you because I said your opinion was ignorant. May I remind you? "Do you suppose there are thousands of people not working in Africa due to 'depression'?" You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? House - you are describing people as keyboard warriors ??? what else would you suggest a public forum where we could all talk? I dont think anyone said they had the answer to all the countries problems other than "cut benefits to all" short cut to thinking there. WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion... Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Thu 20 Feb 14

LITTLEVILLAGE says...

Surely if this bunch are fit enough to stand around waving banners for an couple of hours then they are fit enough to find a job...fit enough to protest...fit enough to work.
Surely if this bunch are fit enough to stand around waving banners for an couple of hours then they are fit enough to find a job...fit enough to protest...fit enough to work. LITTLEVILLAGE
  • Score: 4

3:03pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...


You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
[quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it? ChannelX
  • Score: -3

3:32pm Thu 20 Feb 14

swindondad says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
swindondad wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Suindone wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.
I can't speak for the others you choose to "slander" but I only have one user name on this site and I have been using it for at least five years. Just because you do not agree with someone else’s opinion does not automatically make them wrong or lose them the right to express themselves. If any group is acting "like trolls" you are more likely to be a part of it than me.
Slander...do you understand the definition? "I often think" and made general quote describing the opinions stated. Is not slander that is an opinion. There have been percentages and opinions thrown around with no source and are only opinions but have been stated as fact. Without any supporting evidence and often wildly off the make is a pretty good example of ignorance. Swindondad I agreed with your first post. Also I am not a group. I think the voting is funny that you bother does it matter to you what your comments score? surely this is a discussion forum where other opinions are to be considered and a counter discussion offered way to much "I AM RIGHT SHOUTING" The basis of a discussion is point and counter point. More percentages again ChanX I presume these were the ones you could find to support you. ChanX you have also said I slandered you because I said your opinion was ignorant. May I remind you? "Do you suppose there are thousands of people not working in Africa due to 'depression'?" You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? House - you are describing people as keyboard warriors ??? what else would you suggest a public forum where we could all talk? I dont think anyone said they had the answer to all the countries problems other than "cut benefits to all" short cut to thinking there. WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...
I am all in favor of open honest debate so long as participants reframe from personnel attacks and unfounded allegations. People have not just the right but in my opinion” a duty” to express themselves truthfully and openly. However we are compelled by law not to "insight hatred".

There is a VERY fine line between Opinions and Slander and if I have crossed it then I am "man enough" to say sorry.

http://www.expertlaw
.com/library/persona
l_injury/defamation.
html
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.[/p][/quote]I can't speak for the others you choose to "slander" but I only have one user name on this site and I have been using it for at least five years. Just because you do not agree with someone else’s opinion does not automatically make them wrong or lose them the right to express themselves. If any group is acting "like trolls" you are more likely to be a part of it than me.[/p][/quote]Slander...do you understand the definition? "I often think" and made general quote describing the opinions stated. Is not slander that is an opinion. There have been percentages and opinions thrown around with no source and are only opinions but have been stated as fact. Without any supporting evidence and often wildly off the make is a pretty good example of ignorance. Swindondad I agreed with your first post. Also I am not a group. I think the voting is funny that you bother does it matter to you what your comments score? surely this is a discussion forum where other opinions are to be considered and a counter discussion offered way to much "I AM RIGHT SHOUTING" The basis of a discussion is point and counter point. More percentages again ChanX I presume these were the ones you could find to support you. ChanX you have also said I slandered you because I said your opinion was ignorant. May I remind you? "Do you suppose there are thousands of people not working in Africa due to 'depression'?" You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? House - you are describing people as keyboard warriors ??? what else would you suggest a public forum where we could all talk? I dont think anyone said they had the answer to all the countries problems other than "cut benefits to all" short cut to thinking there. WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...[/p][/quote]I am all in favor of open honest debate so long as participants reframe from personnel attacks and unfounded allegations. People have not just the right but in my opinion” a duty” to express themselves truthfully and openly. However we are compelled by law not to "insight hatred". There is a VERY fine line between Opinions and Slander and if I have crossed it then I am "man enough" to say sorry. http://www.expertlaw .com/library/persona l_injury/defamation. html swindondad
  • Score: 0

4:41pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Terry Thunderstorm says...

ChannelX wrote:
The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them).

Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it.

I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?
They say ignorance is bliss, but not in your case it would seem not to follow the rule. Most of us work, probably harder and more enthusiastic than yourself. Your prejudice shines through in your abusive and judgemental comments. You are a Joke among the readers :-)

I presume from your level of ignorance on social matters that you are the typical Tory Voter; Basically someone who assumes themselves above all others (Supremacist) and invulnerable to disablement.

Well, you can rest assure, if you do become live long enough to become or old and frail, or become disabled due to the increasingly abusive nature of our culture, you will still get adequate support.

Frankly your ignorance of reality of people's lives, in work and out of work, is appalling. I don't think you realise just what a complete prat people think you are, but most are too impolite to say so. As you see, I am not.

For over 40 years, paid and unpaid, I have repaired the psychological and emotional damage done by the sociopathic behaviour of the ignorant, the bullies and abusive individuals in our our homes and our society.

Many are Adults who are still traumatised by self centred, often miserable, alcoholic and frankly physically, emotionally and sexually abusive predators in their childhoods. Others are traumatised by bullying bosses and other sociopathic, judgemental incompetents within the social institutions.

I wonder where you fall in this spectrum of self opinionated, judgemental and abusive words & actions? Those attitudes have for years degraded our British society to the point where we are in this current economic chaos.

May I also remind you that it was the last Tory Government, under Thatcher, who 'Deregulated the Banks and Finance Industry', brining about the fraud and mismanagement that lead to this current 'World economic Crisis', where there are not enough jobs for the able, never mind the disabled.

You can also blame that lame brained sociopath for the fact that companies that have followed her example and edicts, do not get the best out of their workers, and one can fully understand why (assuming you have the intelligence to work it out of course :- )

You really need to get out more and discover the real world fella or you are going to become a miserable old **** in your demented old age. I have seen so many and they all voted Tory and slagged off the unemployed and disabled. LoL :-)
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them). Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it. I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?[/p][/quote]They say ignorance is bliss, but not in your case it would seem not to follow the rule. Most of us work, probably harder and more enthusiastic than yourself. Your prejudice shines through in your abusive and judgemental comments. You are a Joke among the readers :-) I presume from your level of ignorance on social matters that you are the typical Tory Voter; Basically someone who assumes themselves above all others (Supremacist) and invulnerable to disablement. Well, you can rest assure, if you do become live long enough to become or old and frail, or become disabled due to the increasingly abusive nature of our culture, you will still get adequate support. Frankly your ignorance of reality of people's lives, in work and out of work, is appalling. I don't think you realise just what a complete prat people think you are, but most are too impolite to say so. As you see, I am not. For over 40 years, paid and unpaid, I have repaired the psychological and emotional damage done by the sociopathic behaviour of the ignorant, the bullies and abusive individuals in our our homes and our society. Many are Adults who are still traumatised by self centred, often miserable, alcoholic and frankly physically, emotionally and sexually abusive predators in their childhoods. Others are traumatised by bullying bosses and other sociopathic, judgemental incompetents within the social institutions. I wonder where you fall in this spectrum of self opinionated, judgemental and abusive words & actions? Those attitudes have for years degraded our British society to the point where we are in this current economic chaos. May I also remind you that it was the last Tory Government, under Thatcher, who 'Deregulated the Banks and Finance Industry', brining about the fraud and mismanagement that lead to this current 'World economic Crisis', where there are not enough jobs for the able, never mind the disabled. You can also blame that lame brained sociopath for the fact that companies that have followed her example and edicts, do not get the best out of their workers, and one can fully understand why (assuming you have the intelligence to work it out of course :- ) You really need to get out more and discover the real world fella or you are going to become a miserable old **** in your demented old age. I have seen so many and they all voted Tory and slagged off the unemployed and disabled. LoL :-) Terry Thunderstorm
  • Score: 5

5:01pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Hmmmf says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...

Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...[/quote] Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off. Hmmmf
  • Score: -2

5:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
So you being unaware is an example of fact?
Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site).
How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects.
It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance.
I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites?
Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you?
You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best.
The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]So you being unaware is an example of fact? Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site). How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects. It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance. I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites? Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you? You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best. The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 4

5:18pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Hmmmf wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...

Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.
Are you 6 or 65?
School playground argument???
Any actual opinion on the topic or just personal insults?
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...[/quote] Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.[/p][/quote]Are you 6 or 65? School playground argument??? Any actual opinion on the topic or just personal insults? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 4

5:19pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Terry Thunderstorm wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them).

Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it.

I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?
They say ignorance is bliss, but not in your case it would seem not to follow the rule. Most of us work, probably harder and more enthusiastic than yourself. Your prejudice shines through in your abusive and judgemental comments. You are a Joke among the readers :-)

I presume from your level of ignorance on social matters that you are the typical Tory Voter; Basically someone who assumes themselves above all others (Supremacist) and invulnerable to disablement.

Well, you can rest assure, if you do become live long enough to become or old and frail, or become disabled due to the increasingly abusive nature of our culture, you will still get adequate support.

Frankly your ignorance of reality of people's lives, in work and out of work, is appalling. I don't think you realise just what a complete prat people think you are, but most are too impolite to say so. As you see, I am not.

For over 40 years, paid and unpaid, I have repaired the psychological and emotional damage done by the sociopathic behaviour of the ignorant, the bullies and abusive individuals in our our homes and our society.

Many are Adults who are still traumatised by self centred, often miserable, alcoholic and frankly physically, emotionally and sexually abusive predators in their childhoods. Others are traumatised by bullying bosses and other sociopathic, judgemental incompetents within the social institutions.

I wonder where you fall in this spectrum of self opinionated, judgemental and abusive words & actions? Those attitudes have for years degraded our British society to the point where we are in this current economic chaos.

May I also remind you that it was the last Tory Government, under Thatcher, who 'Deregulated the Banks and Finance Industry', brining about the fraud and mismanagement that lead to this current 'World economic Crisis', where there are not enough jobs for the able, never mind the disabled.

You can also blame that lame brained sociopath for the fact that companies that have followed her example and edicts, do not get the best out of their workers, and one can fully understand why (assuming you have the intelligence to work it out of course :- )

You really need to get out more and discover the real world fella or you are going to become a miserable old **** in your demented old age. I have seen so many and they all voted Tory and slagged off the unemployed and disabled. LoL :-)
Interesting that you talk about the 'real world', and yet appear to have spent the last 40 years trying to pretend it doesn't exist.

I've met plenty of people like you and it really does nothing but amuse me how deluded and hypocritical people such as yourself can be.

Typical left-wing fantasist. Move along.
[quote][p][bold]Terry Thunderstorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them). Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it. I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?[/p][/quote]They say ignorance is bliss, but not in your case it would seem not to follow the rule. Most of us work, probably harder and more enthusiastic than yourself. Your prejudice shines through in your abusive and judgemental comments. You are a Joke among the readers :-) I presume from your level of ignorance on social matters that you are the typical Tory Voter; Basically someone who assumes themselves above all others (Supremacist) and invulnerable to disablement. Well, you can rest assure, if you do become live long enough to become or old and frail, or become disabled due to the increasingly abusive nature of our culture, you will still get adequate support. Frankly your ignorance of reality of people's lives, in work and out of work, is appalling. I don't think you realise just what a complete prat people think you are, but most are too impolite to say so. As you see, I am not. For over 40 years, paid and unpaid, I have repaired the psychological and emotional damage done by the sociopathic behaviour of the ignorant, the bullies and abusive individuals in our our homes and our society. Many are Adults who are still traumatised by self centred, often miserable, alcoholic and frankly physically, emotionally and sexually abusive predators in their childhoods. Others are traumatised by bullying bosses and other sociopathic, judgemental incompetents within the social institutions. I wonder where you fall in this spectrum of self opinionated, judgemental and abusive words & actions? Those attitudes have for years degraded our British society to the point where we are in this current economic chaos. May I also remind you that it was the last Tory Government, under Thatcher, who 'Deregulated the Banks and Finance Industry', brining about the fraud and mismanagement that lead to this current 'World economic Crisis', where there are not enough jobs for the able, never mind the disabled. You can also blame that lame brained sociopath for the fact that companies that have followed her example and edicts, do not get the best out of their workers, and one can fully understand why (assuming you have the intelligence to work it out of course :- ) You really need to get out more and discover the real world fella or you are going to become a miserable old **** in your demented old age. I have seen so many and they all voted Tory and slagged off the unemployed and disabled. LoL :-)[/p][/quote]Interesting that you talk about the 'real world', and yet appear to have spent the last 40 years trying to pretend it doesn't exist. I've met plenty of people like you and it really does nothing but amuse me how deluded and hypocritical people such as yourself can be. Typical left-wing fantasist. Move along. ChannelX
  • Score: -3

5:20pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...

Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.
Are you 6 or 65?
School playground argument???
Any actual opinion on the topic or just personal insults?
You're a fine one to talk!
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...[/quote] Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.[/p][/quote]Are you 6 or 65? School playground argument??? Any actual opinion on the topic or just personal insults?[/p][/quote]You're a fine one to talk! ChannelX
  • Score: -4

5:23pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
So you being unaware is an example of fact?
Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site).
How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects.
It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance.
I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites?
Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you?
You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best.
The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?
I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense.

You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine.

Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]So you being unaware is an example of fact? Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site). How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects. It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance. I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites? Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you? You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best. The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?[/p][/quote]I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense. You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine. Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that. ChannelX
  • Score: -4

5:25pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Terry Thunderstorm wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them).

Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it.

I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?
They say ignorance is bliss, but not in your case it would seem not to follow the rule. Most of us work, probably harder and more enthusiastic than yourself. Your prejudice shines through in your abusive and judgemental comments. You are a Joke among the readers :-)

I presume from your level of ignorance on social matters that you are the typical Tory Voter; Basically someone who assumes themselves above all others (Supremacist) and invulnerable to disablement.

Well, you can rest assure, if you do become live long enough to become or old and frail, or become disabled due to the increasingly abusive nature of our culture, you will still get adequate support.

Frankly your ignorance of reality of people's lives, in work and out of work, is appalling. I don't think you realise just what a complete prat people think you are, but most are too impolite to say so. As you see, I am not.

For over 40 years, paid and unpaid, I have repaired the psychological and emotional damage done by the sociopathic behaviour of the ignorant, the bullies and abusive individuals in our our homes and our society.

Many are Adults who are still traumatised by self centred, often miserable, alcoholic and frankly physically, emotionally and sexually abusive predators in their childhoods. Others are traumatised by bullying bosses and other sociopathic, judgemental incompetents within the social institutions.

I wonder where you fall in this spectrum of self opinionated, judgemental and abusive words & actions? Those attitudes have for years degraded our British society to the point where we are in this current economic chaos.

May I also remind you that it was the last Tory Government, under Thatcher, who 'Deregulated the Banks and Finance Industry', brining about the fraud and mismanagement that lead to this current 'World economic Crisis', where there are not enough jobs for the able, never mind the disabled.

You can also blame that lame brained sociopath for the fact that companies that have followed her example and edicts, do not get the best out of their workers, and one can fully understand why (assuming you have the intelligence to work it out of course :- )

You really need to get out more and discover the real world fella or you are going to become a miserable old **** in your demented old age. I have seen so many and they all voted Tory and slagged off the unemployed and disabled. LoL :-)
Hahahaaha Hi Terry you can make the perfectly reasonable and evidenced comment you have made and it will make no difference.
You will be marked down and the same replies will be sent to you.

It is entertaining but only in a kind of Allo Allo or Dads army sense,
It will stay on topic until the bitterness rises up and the reasoning becomes coz I said so.
You hit on an extremely valid point that being housebound does not help the mental state. For evidence of this just follow any of the comments forums for a week.
[quote][p][bold]Terry Thunderstorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them). Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it. I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?[/p][/quote]They say ignorance is bliss, but not in your case it would seem not to follow the rule. Most of us work, probably harder and more enthusiastic than yourself. Your prejudice shines through in your abusive and judgemental comments. You are a Joke among the readers :-) I presume from your level of ignorance on social matters that you are the typical Tory Voter; Basically someone who assumes themselves above all others (Supremacist) and invulnerable to disablement. Well, you can rest assure, if you do become live long enough to become or old and frail, or become disabled due to the increasingly abusive nature of our culture, you will still get adequate support. Frankly your ignorance of reality of people's lives, in work and out of work, is appalling. I don't think you realise just what a complete prat people think you are, but most are too impolite to say so. As you see, I am not. For over 40 years, paid and unpaid, I have repaired the psychological and emotional damage done by the sociopathic behaviour of the ignorant, the bullies and abusive individuals in our our homes and our society. Many are Adults who are still traumatised by self centred, often miserable, alcoholic and frankly physically, emotionally and sexually abusive predators in their childhoods. Others are traumatised by bullying bosses and other sociopathic, judgemental incompetents within the social institutions. I wonder where you fall in this spectrum of self opinionated, judgemental and abusive words & actions? Those attitudes have for years degraded our British society to the point where we are in this current economic chaos. May I also remind you that it was the last Tory Government, under Thatcher, who 'Deregulated the Banks and Finance Industry', brining about the fraud and mismanagement that lead to this current 'World economic Crisis', where there are not enough jobs for the able, never mind the disabled. You can also blame that lame brained sociopath for the fact that companies that have followed her example and edicts, do not get the best out of their workers, and one can fully understand why (assuming you have the intelligence to work it out of course :- ) You really need to get out more and discover the real world fella or you are going to become a miserable old **** in your demented old age. I have seen so many and they all voted Tory and slagged off the unemployed and disabled. LoL :-)[/p][/quote]Hahahaaha Hi Terry you can make the perfectly reasonable and evidenced comment you have made and it will make no difference. You will be marked down and the same replies will be sent to you. It is entertaining but only in a kind of Allo Allo or Dads army sense, It will stay on topic until the bitterness rises up and the reasoning becomes coz I said so. You hit on an extremely valid point that being housebound does not help the mental state. For evidence of this just follow any of the comments forums for a week. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 3

5:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Terry Thunderstorm wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them).

Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it.

I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?
They say ignorance is bliss, but not in your case it would seem not to follow the rule. Most of us work, probably harder and more enthusiastic than yourself. Your prejudice shines through in your abusive and judgemental comments. You are a Joke among the readers :-)

I presume from your level of ignorance on social matters that you are the typical Tory Voter; Basically someone who assumes themselves above all others (Supremacist) and invulnerable to disablement.

Well, you can rest assure, if you do become live long enough to become or old and frail, or become disabled due to the increasingly abusive nature of our culture, you will still get adequate support.

Frankly your ignorance of reality of people's lives, in work and out of work, is appalling. I don't think you realise just what a complete prat people think you are, but most are too impolite to say so. As you see, I am not.

For over 40 years, paid and unpaid, I have repaired the psychological and emotional damage done by the sociopathic behaviour of the ignorant, the bullies and abusive individuals in our our homes and our society.

Many are Adults who are still traumatised by self centred, often miserable, alcoholic and frankly physically, emotionally and sexually abusive predators in their childhoods. Others are traumatised by bullying bosses and other sociopathic, judgemental incompetents within the social institutions.

I wonder where you fall in this spectrum of self opinionated, judgemental and abusive words & actions? Those attitudes have for years degraded our British society to the point where we are in this current economic chaos.

May I also remind you that it was the last Tory Government, under Thatcher, who 'Deregulated the Banks and Finance Industry', brining about the fraud and mismanagement that lead to this current 'World economic Crisis', where there are not enough jobs for the able, never mind the disabled.

You can also blame that lame brained sociopath for the fact that companies that have followed her example and edicts, do not get the best out of their workers, and one can fully understand why (assuming you have the intelligence to work it out of course :- )

You really need to get out more and discover the real world fella or you are going to become a miserable old **** in your demented old age. I have seen so many and they all voted Tory and slagged off the unemployed and disabled. LoL :-)
Interesting that you talk about the 'real world', and yet appear to have spent the last 40 years trying to pretend it doesn't exist.

I've met plenty of people like you and it really does nothing but amuse me how deluded and hypocritical people such as yourself can be.

Typical left-wing fantasist. Move along.
A perfectly reasoned argument and you wouldnt even take up any of the points.
It amazes me that you prove your ignorance time and time again, you are consistent I will give you that.

BTW link for depression in SA http://www.ncbi.nlm.
nih.gov/pmc/articles
/PMC3195337/
I appreciate its only one country in Africa where you chose to have a go at the continent.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Terry Thunderstorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: The usual left-wing rabble rousers out in, er, force (ie, 10 of them). Chris Watts, Kate Linnegar et al. It's just the same old hijacking of every and any cause in order to foist their anti-government nonsense on people. Sadly, but rather predictably, the Adver plays along with it. I wonder how many people who stood around all day holding banners and shouting slogans also claim that they're 'unable to work'?[/p][/quote]They say ignorance is bliss, but not in your case it would seem not to follow the rule. Most of us work, probably harder and more enthusiastic than yourself. Your prejudice shines through in your abusive and judgemental comments. You are a Joke among the readers :-) I presume from your level of ignorance on social matters that you are the typical Tory Voter; Basically someone who assumes themselves above all others (Supremacist) and invulnerable to disablement. Well, you can rest assure, if you do become live long enough to become or old and frail, or become disabled due to the increasingly abusive nature of our culture, you will still get adequate support. Frankly your ignorance of reality of people's lives, in work and out of work, is appalling. I don't think you realise just what a complete prat people think you are, but most are too impolite to say so. As you see, I am not. For over 40 years, paid and unpaid, I have repaired the psychological and emotional damage done by the sociopathic behaviour of the ignorant, the bullies and abusive individuals in our our homes and our society. Many are Adults who are still traumatised by self centred, often miserable, alcoholic and frankly physically, emotionally and sexually abusive predators in their childhoods. Others are traumatised by bullying bosses and other sociopathic, judgemental incompetents within the social institutions. I wonder where you fall in this spectrum of self opinionated, judgemental and abusive words & actions? Those attitudes have for years degraded our British society to the point where we are in this current economic chaos. May I also remind you that it was the last Tory Government, under Thatcher, who 'Deregulated the Banks and Finance Industry', brining about the fraud and mismanagement that lead to this current 'World economic Crisis', where there are not enough jobs for the able, never mind the disabled. You can also blame that lame brained sociopath for the fact that companies that have followed her example and edicts, do not get the best out of their workers, and one can fully understand why (assuming you have the intelligence to work it out of course :- ) You really need to get out more and discover the real world fella or you are going to become a miserable old **** in your demented old age. I have seen so many and they all voted Tory and slagged off the unemployed and disabled. LoL :-)[/p][/quote]Interesting that you talk about the 'real world', and yet appear to have spent the last 40 years trying to pretend it doesn't exist. I've met plenty of people like you and it really does nothing but amuse me how deluded and hypocritical people such as yourself can be. Typical left-wing fantasist. Move along.[/p][/quote]A perfectly reasoned argument and you wouldnt even take up any of the points. It amazes me that you prove your ignorance time and time again, you are consistent I will give you that. BTW link for depression in SA http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pmc/articles /PMC3195337/ I appreciate its only one country in Africa where you chose to have a go at the continent. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 4

5:33pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

house on the hill wrote:
Suindone wrote:
ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser.
Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory!
Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants.
Check this if you do not believe me:
http://www.bnp.org.u


k/sites/default/file


s/manifesto.pdf
Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
Clearly the only Troll is you making nasty personal attacks on individuals you know very little about. I think UKIP are a bunch of morons and if you bothered to read some of my posts you would see I detest politics and politicians too of all parties. What is wrong in expecting people to be more responsible for their actions and choices instead of finding endless excuses or blaming everyone but the one who made the choice.
Easy to criticise from behind your keyboard, so what is you answer to all the countries problems then? And just so you know I think getting out of Europe would be an economic disaster.
Personal attacks???
Did you explain what your insinuation behind this was or was it just name calling and personal attack?
house on the hill says...

jmarsig wrote:
I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all
I think you are right, you are not fit to work!!!!
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]Clearly the only Troll is you making nasty personal attacks on individuals you know very little about. I think UKIP are a bunch of morons and if you bothered to read some of my posts you would see I detest politics and politicians too of all parties. What is wrong in expecting people to be more responsible for their actions and choices instead of finding endless excuses or blaming everyone but the one who made the choice. Easy to criticise from behind your keyboard, so what is you answer to all the countries problems then? And just so you know I think getting out of Europe would be an economic disaster.[/p][/quote]Personal attacks??? Did you explain what your insinuation behind this was or was it just name calling and personal attack? house on the hill says... jmarsig wrote: I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all I think you are right, you are not fit to work!!!! Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

5:39pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
So you being unaware is an example of fact?
Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site).
How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects.
It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance.
I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites?
Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you?
You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best.
The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?
I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense.

You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine.

Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.
Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man.
If you had just said that at the start I would understand.
Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know?
Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group?

I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]So you being unaware is an example of fact? Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site). How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects. It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance. I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites? Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you? You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best. The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?[/p][/quote]I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense. You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine. Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.[/p][/quote]Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man. If you had just said that at the start I would understand. Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know? Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group? I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 3

5:44pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...

Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.
Are you 6 or 65?
School playground argument???
Any actual opinion on the topic or just personal insults?
You're a fine one to talk!
Just to prove the point further.
the person I replied to had made NO comments on the thread other than to insult.
Have you forgotten what you point was?
You are a racist joke of a small man.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...[/quote] Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.[/p][/quote]Are you 6 or 65? School playground argument??? Any actual opinion on the topic or just personal insults?[/p][/quote]You're a fine one to talk![/p][/quote]Just to prove the point further. the person I replied to had made NO comments on the thread other than to insult. Have you forgotten what you point was? You are a racist joke of a small man. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 3

6:05pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Hmmmf says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...

Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.
Are you 6 or 65?
School playground argument???
Any actual opinion on the topic or just personal insults?
Yes I'm six. That's why I was so impressed by your dazzling and flawless debating technique of suggesting everyone who holds a different opinion to yours was in fact one and the same person with multiple logins using the same IP address.
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters.
They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.

And then you have the brazen cheek to criticise my intellect.
And yes, I do have an opinion, but like your esteemed dicktard rantmate Terry I'm far too "impolite" to give it.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...[/quote] Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.[/p][/quote]Are you 6 or 65? School playground argument??? Any actual opinion on the topic or just personal insults?[/p][/quote]Yes I'm six. That's why I was so impressed by your dazzling and flawless debating technique of suggesting everyone who holds a different opinion to yours was in fact one and the same person with multiple logins using the same IP address. [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.[/quote] And then you have the brazen cheek to criticise my intellect. And yes, I do have an opinion, but like your esteemed dicktard rantmate Terry I'm far too "impolite" to give it. Hmmmf
  • Score: -1

6:21pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Hmmmf wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...

Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.
Are you 6 or 65?
School playground argument???
Any actual opinion on the topic or just personal insults?
Yes I'm six. That's why I was so impressed by your dazzling and flawless debating technique of suggesting everyone who holds a different opinion to yours was in fact one and the same person with multiple logins using the same IP address.
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters.
They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.

And then you have the brazen cheek to criticise my intellect.
And yes, I do have an opinion, but like your esteemed dicktard rantmate Terry I'm far too "impolite" to give it.
Hahahha you are the same person...
You didnt reply as to why you felt a previous poster was unfit for work?
I may of commented on an absence of thought in your post but that was only base on reading your posts.
This thread is now over 50 comments long and you are still to make a comment based on the topic.
I dont think I actually called anyone names either "dicktard"
I congratulated Terry on a well thought out post once again you have chosen personal insults rather than the topic.
Yaaaaaaaawn you are repetitive and dull hope you have a nice weekend Davey...or which ever one this is.
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: WOW Hmmmmf you certainly know how to raise the bar of intellectual discussion...[/quote] Thank you. One can but hope some of it rubs off.[/p][/quote]Are you 6 or 65? School playground argument??? Any actual opinion on the topic or just personal insults?[/p][/quote]Yes I'm six. That's why I was so impressed by your dazzling and flawless debating technique of suggesting everyone who holds a different opinion to yours was in fact one and the same person with multiple logins using the same IP address. [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: i often think it is the same person would be an interesting to see the IP adresses for these posters. They do represent a large part of the population proving that a complete lack of knowledge but massive levels of ignorance will not stop someone having an opinion.[/quote] And then you have the brazen cheek to criticise my intellect. And yes, I do have an opinion, but like your esteemed dicktard rantmate Terry I'm far too "impolite" to give it.[/p][/quote]Hahahha you are the same person... You didnt reply as to why you felt a previous poster was unfit for work? I may of commented on an absence of thought in your post but that was only base on reading your posts. This thread is now over 50 comments long and you are still to make a comment based on the topic. I dont think I actually called anyone names either "dicktard" I congratulated Terry on a well thought out post once again you have chosen personal insults rather than the topic. Yaaaaaaaawn you are repetitive and dull hope you have a nice weekend Davey...or which ever one this is. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 3

6:26pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
So you being unaware is an example of fact?
Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site).
How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects.
It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance.
I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites?
Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you?
You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best.
The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?
I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense.

You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine.

Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.
Just looked at this again at no point did I say this was in the UK.
Once again making up your own arguments.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]So you being unaware is an example of fact? Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site). How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects. It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance. I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites? Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you? You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best. The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?[/p][/quote]I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense. You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine. Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.[/p][/quote]Just looked at this again at no point did I say this was in the UK. Once again making up your own arguments. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 3

8:37pm Thu 20 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Suindone wrote:
ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser.
Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory!
Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants.
Check this if you do not believe me:
http://www.bnp.org.u



k/sites/default/file



s/manifesto.pdf
Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
Clearly the only Troll is you making nasty personal attacks on individuals you know very little about. I think UKIP are a bunch of morons and if you bothered to read some of my posts you would see I detest politics and politicians too of all parties. What is wrong in expecting people to be more responsible for their actions and choices instead of finding endless excuses or blaming everyone but the one who made the choice.
Easy to criticise from behind your keyboard, so what is you answer to all the countries problems then? And just so you know I think getting out of Europe would be an economic disaster.
Personal attacks???
Did you explain what your insinuation behind this was or was it just name calling and personal attack?
house on the hill says...

jmarsig wrote:
I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all
I think you are right, you are not fit to work!!!!
To quote a line from my favourite TV programme (The Newsroom) "I am too old to care what dumb people think!" Are you actually going to voice an opinion on the actual topic or just your opinion of other peoples opinions? If you don't like my opinion then don't read it, Your motive is clearly to antagonise and insult rather than actually form opinions of your own.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]Clearly the only Troll is you making nasty personal attacks on individuals you know very little about. I think UKIP are a bunch of morons and if you bothered to read some of my posts you would see I detest politics and politicians too of all parties. What is wrong in expecting people to be more responsible for their actions and choices instead of finding endless excuses or blaming everyone but the one who made the choice. Easy to criticise from behind your keyboard, so what is you answer to all the countries problems then? And just so you know I think getting out of Europe would be an economic disaster.[/p][/quote]Personal attacks??? Did you explain what your insinuation behind this was or was it just name calling and personal attack? house on the hill says... jmarsig wrote: I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all I think you are right, you are not fit to work!!!![/p][/quote]To quote a line from my favourite TV programme (The Newsroom) "I am too old to care what dumb people think!" Are you actually going to voice an opinion on the actual topic or just your opinion of other peoples opinions? If you don't like my opinion then don't read it, Your motive is clearly to antagonise and insult rather than actually form opinions of your own. house on the hill
  • Score: -3

9:00pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Suindone says...

I have been following these guys for the last 10 years on and off. Yes, the same people changing names. The same types of comments. The same petulance.
Every so often they get a little article published in the paper.
I totally agree with Terry Thunderstorm and some others who criticise "the point by point" bickering typical of people with a lot of time in their hands and a lot of problems in their heads.
Now you want to be open to discuss things??
Ok lets start if you have the guts:
I said that your points are BNP points and as such your are BNP.
this is what BNP stand for
• The BNP will halt the handout of benefits, housing, education and pensions to foreigners who have
not paid into the system.
• The BNP will ensure that the National Health Service is used to serve British people and not used as
an International Health Service.
• The BNP will provide education and training for the unemployed to enable them to get back into
work.
• The BNP will institute a workfare-not-welfare policy for those who refuse to get back to work.

What is your opinion? Do you disagree or agree?
I have been following these guys for the last 10 years on and off. Yes, the same people changing names. The same types of comments. The same petulance. Every so often they get a little article published in the paper. I totally agree with Terry Thunderstorm and some others who criticise "the point by point" bickering typical of people with a lot of time in their hands and a lot of problems in their heads. Now you want to be open to discuss things?? Ok lets start if you have the guts: I said that your points are BNP points and as such your are BNP. this is what BNP stand for • The BNP will halt the handout of benefits, housing, education and pensions to foreigners who have not paid into the system. • The BNP will ensure that the National Health Service is used to serve British people and not used as an International Health Service. • The BNP will provide education and training for the unemployed to enable them to get back into work. • The BNP will institute a workfare-not-welfare policy for those who refuse to get back to work. What is your opinion? Do you disagree or agree? Suindone
  • Score: 1

9:05pm Thu 20 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

The BNP are a disgrace to any country not just this one. The more worrying thing is that they actually get any votes at all. Just as well we dont have PR!
The BNP are a disgrace to any country not just this one. The more worrying thing is that they actually get any votes at all. Just as well we dont have PR! house on the hill
  • Score: 0

9:21pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Davey Gravey says...

Atos are inept, damaging to genuine people and useless. Scap them altogether.
Atos are inept, damaging to genuine people and useless. Scap them altogether. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 3

9:49pm Thu 20 Feb 14

dukeofM4 says...

Simply battle of the haves and have not's. No shortage of haves in this blog. It's the perennial battle of dividing up resources.
Simply battle of the haves and have not's. No shortage of haves in this blog. It's the perennial battle of dividing up resources. dukeofM4
  • Score: -1

7:06am Fri 21 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

dukeofM4 wrote:
Simply battle of the haves and have not's. No shortage of haves in this blog. It's the perennial battle of dividing up resources.
its not about the haves and have nots its about the cant be botherds. No one objects to helping those really in need, but for many their life is determined by their life choices. Some one who chooses to have 4 kids is very unlikely to have the same sort of life as someone who chooses not to have any, or to drink and smoke, or is prepared to move for work rather than always staying in the same place etc etc. Life is about making your choices and living with them rather than expecting others to prop you up all the time as so many on here seem to think it should be. We are not born equal but we do have choices that can change our lives for good or bad and it is up to us. Life is short, go out and make the most of it.
[quote][p][bold]dukeofM4[/bold] wrote: Simply battle of the haves and have not's. No shortage of haves in this blog. It's the perennial battle of dividing up resources.[/p][/quote]its not about the haves and have nots its about the cant be botherds. No one objects to helping those really in need, but for many their life is determined by their life choices. Some one who chooses to have 4 kids is very unlikely to have the same sort of life as someone who chooses not to have any, or to drink and smoke, or is prepared to move for work rather than always staying in the same place etc etc. Life is about making your choices and living with them rather than expecting others to prop you up all the time as so many on here seem to think it should be. We are not born equal but we do have choices that can change our lives for good or bad and it is up to us. Life is short, go out and make the most of it. house on the hill
  • Score: 0

7:29am Fri 21 Feb 14

swindondad says...

Suindone wrote:
I have been following these guys for the last 10 years on and off. Yes, the same people changing names. The same types of comments. The same petulance. Every so often they get a little article published in the paper. I totally agree with Terry Thunderstorm and some others who criticise "the point by point" bickering typical of people with a lot of time in their hands and a lot of problems in their heads. Now you want to be open to discuss things?? Ok lets start if you have the guts: I said that your points are BNP points and as such your are BNP. this is what BNP stand for • The BNP will halt the handout of benefits, housing, education and pensions to foreigners who have not paid into the system. • The BNP will ensure that the National Health Service is used to serve British people and not used as an International Health Service. • The BNP will provide education and training for the unemployed to enable them to get back into work. • The BNP will institute a workfare-not-welfare policy for those who refuse to get back to work. What is your opinion? Do you disagree or agree?
1st I am not and nor have I ever been a BNP supporter, thankfully there are too many extremists associated with it for them to gain any power in Westminster.

You however are wrong to list 4 policies that you say a party supports and state that anyone who agrees with those policies IS a supporter of that party.

In the same way that believing that Education & Healthcare should be free and universal does not make you a Communist agreeing with some of the policies of the BNP / Greens / Scary Monster Raving Loony Party does not make you a supporter of that party.

"• The BNP will halt the handout of benefits, housing, education and pensions to foreigners who have
not paid into the system. "

If you remove the word foreigners and insert non EU economic migrants then I would agree with the policy.

• The BNP will ensure that the National Health Service is used to serve British people and not used as
an International Health Service.

Nearly but not quite, Emergency care should be free at the point of delivery but non EU visitors should have to have travel / health insurance to reimburse the NHS for the costs of their treatment (In the same way that I do when I Travel).

• The BNP will provide education and training for the unemployed to enable them to get back into
work.

I would have thought that everyone would have agreed with that.

• The BNP will institute a workfare-not-welfare policy for those who refuse to get back to work.

If it was made clear that this would only apply to those who decide not to work not those who are unable to work then it would be a good idea but how would the system protect the dependants of those who lost out, I could see any policy in this area being hard to implement in a fair compassionate way.
[quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: I have been following these guys for the last 10 years on and off. Yes, the same people changing names. The same types of comments. The same petulance. Every so often they get a little article published in the paper. I totally agree with Terry Thunderstorm and some others who criticise "the point by point" bickering typical of people with a lot of time in their hands and a lot of problems in their heads. Now you want to be open to discuss things?? Ok lets start if you have the guts: I said that your points are BNP points and as such your are BNP. this is what BNP stand for • The BNP will halt the handout of benefits, housing, education and pensions to foreigners who have not paid into the system. • The BNP will ensure that the National Health Service is used to serve British people and not used as an International Health Service. • The BNP will provide education and training for the unemployed to enable them to get back into work. • The BNP will institute a workfare-not-welfare policy for those who refuse to get back to work. What is your opinion? Do you disagree or agree?[/p][/quote]1st I am not and nor have I ever been a BNP supporter, thankfully there are too many extremists associated with it for them to gain any power in Westminster. You however are wrong to list 4 policies that you say a party supports and state that anyone who agrees with those policies IS a supporter of that party. In the same way that believing that Education & Healthcare should be free and universal does not make you a Communist agreeing with some of the policies of the BNP / Greens / Scary Monster Raving Loony Party does not make you a supporter of that party. "• The BNP will halt the handout of benefits, housing, education and pensions to foreigners who have not paid into the system. " If you remove the word foreigners and insert non EU economic migrants then I would agree with the policy. • The BNP will ensure that the National Health Service is used to serve British people and not used as an International Health Service. Nearly but not quite, Emergency care should be free at the point of delivery but non EU visitors should have to have travel / health insurance to reimburse the NHS for the costs of their treatment (In the same way that I do when I Travel). • The BNP will provide education and training for the unemployed to enable them to get back into work. I would have thought that everyone would have agreed with that. • The BNP will institute a workfare-not-welfare policy for those who refuse to get back to work. If it was made clear that this would only apply to those who decide not to work not those who are unable to work then it would be a good idea but how would the system protect the dependants of those who lost out, I could see any policy in this area being hard to implement in a fair compassionate way. swindondad
  • Score: 0

8:04am Fri 21 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

house on the hill wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Suindone wrote:
ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser.
Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory!
Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants.
Check this if you do not believe me:
http://www.bnp.org.u




k/sites/default/file




s/manifesto.pdf
Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?
Clearly the only Troll is you making nasty personal attacks on individuals you know very little about. I think UKIP are a bunch of morons and if you bothered to read some of my posts you would see I detest politics and politicians too of all parties. What is wrong in expecting people to be more responsible for their actions and choices instead of finding endless excuses or blaming everyone but the one who made the choice.
Easy to criticise from behind your keyboard, so what is you answer to all the countries problems then? And just so you know I think getting out of Europe would be an economic disaster.
Personal attacks???
Did you explain what your insinuation behind this was or was it just name calling and personal attack?
house on the hill says...

jmarsig wrote:
I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all
I think you are right, you are not fit to work!!!!
To quote a line from my favourite TV programme (The Newsroom) "I am too old to care what dumb people think!" Are you actually going to voice an opinion on the actual topic or just your opinion of other peoples opinions? If you don't like my opinion then don't read it, Your motive is clearly to antagonise and insult rather than actually form opinions of your own.
No you tried to be funny by insulting this posters intelligence.
No wonder so few other people post on the stories when all you and your ilk can do is insult people your behavior on a public forum would be classed as bullying.
Then again as you said you dont care about the opinions of others but you clearly do by voting on posts?? I made a number of counter arguments on this thread and was met with the same passive aggressive tosh you are spouting.
Ok the poster in question may not of used grammar to a level that suited you but they have tried to join in a discussion affecting where they live your comments were not helpful in anyway. In fact its exactly what you are accusing me of.
I am sure that in your old age you have a well protected pension that wont be affected by new pans proposed in coming years and that your property will be used to pay for your health care.
Do you feel your age add validity to your point?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: ChannelX ,swindondad, house on the hill : I find it extremely annoying that after many years these three right wing trolls are still filling the comments on the Swindon Advertiser. Are they trolls or genuine UKIP voters? Maybe tory! Some like ChannelX is repeating the same BNP propaganda on benefits claimants. Check this if you do not believe me: http://www.bnp.org.u k/sites/default/file s/manifesto.pdf Do not forget these "people" do not want to talk about jews...I wonder why?[/p][/quote]Clearly the only Troll is you making nasty personal attacks on individuals you know very little about. I think UKIP are a bunch of morons and if you bothered to read some of my posts you would see I detest politics and politicians too of all parties. What is wrong in expecting people to be more responsible for their actions and choices instead of finding endless excuses or blaming everyone but the one who made the choice. Easy to criticise from behind your keyboard, so what is you answer to all the countries problems then? And just so you know I think getting out of Europe would be an economic disaster.[/p][/quote]Personal attacks??? Did you explain what your insinuation behind this was or was it just name calling and personal attack? house on the hill says... jmarsig wrote: I was watching ch 4 the other day about Benefits and one guy said, the real crooks are the bankers and polotictions, 11% raze for an m.p. wow in this day and age with the cut backs, they are ribbon cutters and pat you on the back, we do not need this , David addtinbourl said the world is over populated, that hit the nail on the head , china had the right ideal one child per family but it was to late times are getting bad , but looking at the little children on tv that are dieing , they need our money , they are having it the worse , and our children will be facing a lot more then we are, god bless us all I think you are right, you are not fit to work!!!![/p][/quote]To quote a line from my favourite TV programme (The Newsroom) "I am too old to care what dumb people think!" Are you actually going to voice an opinion on the actual topic or just your opinion of other peoples opinions? If you don't like my opinion then don't read it, Your motive is clearly to antagonise and insult rather than actually form opinions of your own.[/p][/quote]No you tried to be funny by insulting this posters intelligence. No wonder so few other people post on the stories when all you and your ilk can do is insult people your behavior on a public forum would be classed as bullying. Then again as you said you dont care about the opinions of others but you clearly do by voting on posts?? I made a number of counter arguments on this thread and was met with the same passive aggressive tosh you are spouting. Ok the poster in question may not of used grammar to a level that suited you but they have tried to join in a discussion affecting where they live your comments were not helpful in anyway. In fact its exactly what you are accusing me of. I am sure that in your old age you have a well protected pension that wont be affected by new pans proposed in coming years and that your property will be used to pay for your health care. Do you feel your age add validity to your point? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

8:27am Fri 21 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
So you being unaware is an example of fact?
Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site).
How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects.
It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance.
I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites?
Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you?
You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best.
The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?
I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense.

You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine.

Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.
Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man.
If you had just said that at the start I would understand.
Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know?
Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group?

I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.
Of course, Africa was mentioned... I did wonder how long it'd take you to call someone a 'racist'.

Not only are your politics stuck in the 1970s, your attempts to label people who disagree with you are also.

You may not be aware, but just shouting 'racist' at somebody hasn't 'worked' for a few years now.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]So you being unaware is an example of fact? Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site). How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects. It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance. I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites? Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you? You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best. The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?[/p][/quote]I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense. You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine. Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.[/p][/quote]Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man. If you had just said that at the start I would understand. Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know? Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group? I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.[/p][/quote]Of course, Africa was mentioned... I did wonder how long it'd take you to call someone a 'racist'. Not only are your politics stuck in the 1970s, your attempts to label people who disagree with you are also. You may not be aware, but just shouting 'racist' at somebody hasn't 'worked' for a few years now. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

8:49am Fri 21 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

I said it based on your comments and I find your arguments dull and uninteresting.
You asked for evidence to counter your wildly ignorant comment that depression is not a factor in Africa when it plainly is not only did I tell you a first hand account I also provided you with a link.

You said
"Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that."
When that is evidently not the case. Would you like me to find more evidence in a larger type? or in spoken word so easier for you to understand?
This has come from me asking you why you focused so much on depression as an illness, unable or unwilling to answer the question you decided to attempt to derail the topic.
You accuse me of an outdated thought process when time and again on this and other threads you prove that you are an angry little man missing the days of empire when you could just shout your opinion and know you were right.
I wonder what topic you can attempt to hijack today?
I said it based on your comments and I find your arguments dull and uninteresting. You asked for evidence to counter your wildly ignorant comment that depression is not a factor in Africa when it plainly is not only did I tell you a first hand account I also provided you with a link. You said "Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that." When that is evidently not the case. Would you like me to find more evidence in a larger type? or in spoken word so easier for you to understand? This has come from me asking you why you focused so much on depression as an illness, unable or unwilling to answer the question you decided to attempt to derail the topic. You accuse me of an outdated thought process when time and again on this and other threads you prove that you are an angry little man missing the days of empire when you could just shout your opinion and know you were right. I wonder what topic you can attempt to hijack today? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 3

9:18am Fri 21 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
So you being unaware is an example of fact?
Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site).
How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects.
It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance.
I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites?
Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you?
You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best.
The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?
I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense.

You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine.

Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.
Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man.
If you had just said that at the start I would understand.
Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know?
Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group?

I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.
Of course, Africa was mentioned... I did wonder how long it'd take you to call someone a 'racist'.

Not only are your politics stuck in the 1970s, your attempts to label people who disagree with you are also.

You may not be aware, but just shouting 'racist' at somebody hasn't 'worked' for a few years now.
Your use of the term "OUR" welfare system also shows your true racist colors. Is the welfare system not there for anyone who needs it?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]So you being unaware is an example of fact? Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site). How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects. It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance. I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites? Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you? You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best. The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?[/p][/quote]I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense. You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine. Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.[/p][/quote]Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man. If you had just said that at the start I would understand. Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know? Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group? I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.[/p][/quote]Of course, Africa was mentioned... I did wonder how long it'd take you to call someone a 'racist'. Not only are your politics stuck in the 1970s, your attempts to label people who disagree with you are also. You may not be aware, but just shouting 'racist' at somebody hasn't 'worked' for a few years now.[/p][/quote]Your use of the term "OUR" welfare system also shows your true racist colors. Is the welfare system not there for anyone who needs it? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

9:35am Fri 21 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
So you being unaware is an example of fact?
Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site).
How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects.
It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance.
I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites?
Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you?
You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best.
The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?
I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense.

You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine.

Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.
Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man.
If you had just said that at the start I would understand.
Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know?
Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group?

I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.
Of course, Africa was mentioned... I did wonder how long it'd take you to call someone a 'racist'.

Not only are your politics stuck in the 1970s, your attempts to label people who disagree with you are also.

You may not be aware, but just shouting 'racist' at somebody hasn't 'worked' for a few years now.
Your use of the term "OUR" welfare system also shows your true racist colors. Is the welfare system not there for anyone who needs it?
No, the welfare system is NOT 'there for anyone who needs it' - that is a fact quite clearly established under the law.

Are you not aware of illegal immigrants? Are you not aware that BILLIONS of people are NOT entitled to any part of the UK's welfare system?

How is it 'racist' for a person to refer to 'our' benefit system in their own country?

Would it be 'racist' for an Indian person in India to refer to 'their' railways - despite the system being open to anyone to use?

As far as I'm aware, anyone can fly a Union Jack if they wish, but most people in the UK would refer to it as 'our' flag, no?

Just as I said above, your immediate knee-jerk attempt to find ANYTHING with which to try and label someone a 'racist' merely betrays your laughable sixth-form Leftie approach to everything.

Truly pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]So you being unaware is an example of fact? Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site). How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects. It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance. I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites? Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you? You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best. The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?[/p][/quote]I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense. You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine. Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.[/p][/quote]Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man. If you had just said that at the start I would understand. Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know? Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group? I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.[/p][/quote]Of course, Africa was mentioned... I did wonder how long it'd take you to call someone a 'racist'. Not only are your politics stuck in the 1970s, your attempts to label people who disagree with you are also. You may not be aware, but just shouting 'racist' at somebody hasn't 'worked' for a few years now.[/p][/quote]Your use of the term "OUR" welfare system also shows your true racist colors. Is the welfare system not there for anyone who needs it?[/p][/quote]No, the welfare system is NOT 'there for anyone who needs it' - that is a fact quite clearly established under the law. Are you not aware of illegal immigrants? Are you not aware that BILLIONS of people are NOT entitled to any part of the UK's welfare system? How is it 'racist' for a person to refer to 'our' benefit system in their own country? Would it be 'racist' for an Indian person in India to refer to 'their' railways - despite the system being open to anyone to use? As far as I'm aware, anyone can fly a Union Jack if they wish, but most people in the UK would refer to it as 'our' flag, no? Just as I said above, your immediate knee-jerk attempt to find ANYTHING with which to try and label someone a 'racist' merely betrays your laughable sixth-form Leftie approach to everything. Truly pathetic. ChannelX
  • Score: -1

9:36am Fri 21 Feb 14

ChannelX says...


I said it based on your comments and I find your arguments dull and uninteresting.


Clearly that's not true. If it were, why would you continually reply?
[quote] I said it based on your comments and I find your arguments dull and uninteresting. [/quote] Clearly that's not true. If it were, why would you continually reply? ChannelX
  • Score: -1

10:15am Fri 21 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
So you being unaware is an example of fact?
Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site).
How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects.
It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance.
I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites?
Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you?
You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best.
The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?
I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense.

You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine.

Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.
Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man.
If you had just said that at the start I would understand.
Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know?
Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group?

I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.
Of course, Africa was mentioned... I did wonder how long it'd take you to call someone a 'racist'.

Not only are your politics stuck in the 1970s, your attempts to label people who disagree with you are also.

You may not be aware, but just shouting 'racist' at somebody hasn't 'worked' for a few years now.
Your use of the term "OUR" welfare system also shows your true racist colors. Is the welfare system not there for anyone who needs it?
No, the welfare system is NOT 'there for anyone who needs it' - that is a fact quite clearly established under the law.

Are you not aware of illegal immigrants? Are you not aware that BILLIONS of people are NOT entitled to any part of the UK's welfare system?

How is it 'racist' for a person to refer to 'our' benefit system in their own country?

Would it be 'racist' for an Indian person in India to refer to 'their' railways - despite the system being open to anyone to use?

As far as I'm aware, anyone can fly a Union Jack if they wish, but most people in the UK would refer to it as 'our' flag, no?

Just as I said above, your immediate knee-jerk attempt to find ANYTHING with which to try and label someone a 'racist' merely betrays your laughable sixth-form Leftie approach to everything.

Truly pathetic.
The longer foolish comments like yours are freely spoken the longer intolerance will reign. So easily pushed.
Your comment which I correctly pointed out as racist was,

Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them

Sounds pretty foul to me.

As if to prove my point that you only have an interest in pushing your opinions on people what did you say on a thread about a 120 yr old building threatened by building work?
"The Beehive is so full of socialist, Scargillian Labour types it's no surprise the cracks are beginning to show"
You are a poor joke at best.

Your arguments are flawed as they all boil down to because you said so and those you see as inferior are labeled as lefties???
So although you do bore me I refuse to let your narrow minded passive aggressive racist thoughts and comments to just go.
I am sure you will make further irrelevant comments on other threads based only in your hatred of anyone that doesnt think like you.

What do you provide to society other than drain money that would better be spent on the future rather than your outdated racist, bigoted opinions.
As the good British empire we divided and ruled across many countries and many of the problems that came from that are still being felt. You choose to look at this as their problem.
I am guessing you are of pensionable age (please correct me if I am wrong) but your system will soon let you down. I imagine you will rely on friends and family to support you or maybe not and you spread your bile on a local paper forum. Now that is pathetic.
Que reply form one of your other accounts??? Does it feel good to agree with yourself?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]So you being unaware is an example of fact? Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site). How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects. It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance. I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites? Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you? You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best. The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?[/p][/quote]I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense. You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine. Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.[/p][/quote]Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man. If you had just said that at the start I would understand. Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know? Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group? I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.[/p][/quote]Of course, Africa was mentioned... I did wonder how long it'd take you to call someone a 'racist'. Not only are your politics stuck in the 1970s, your attempts to label people who disagree with you are also. You may not be aware, but just shouting 'racist' at somebody hasn't 'worked' for a few years now.[/p][/quote]Your use of the term "OUR" welfare system also shows your true racist colors. Is the welfare system not there for anyone who needs it?[/p][/quote]No, the welfare system is NOT 'there for anyone who needs it' - that is a fact quite clearly established under the law. Are you not aware of illegal immigrants? Are you not aware that BILLIONS of people are NOT entitled to any part of the UK's welfare system? How is it 'racist' for a person to refer to 'our' benefit system in their own country? Would it be 'racist' for an Indian person in India to refer to 'their' railways - despite the system being open to anyone to use? As far as I'm aware, anyone can fly a Union Jack if they wish, but most people in the UK would refer to it as 'our' flag, no? Just as I said above, your immediate knee-jerk attempt to find ANYTHING with which to try and label someone a 'racist' merely betrays your laughable sixth-form Leftie approach to everything. Truly pathetic.[/p][/quote]The longer foolish comments like yours are freely spoken the longer intolerance will reign. So easily pushed. Your comment which I correctly pointed out as racist was, Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them Sounds pretty foul to me. As if to prove my point that you only have an interest in pushing your opinions on people what did you say on a thread about a 120 yr old building threatened by building work? "The Beehive is so full of socialist, Scargillian Labour types it's no surprise the cracks are beginning to show" You are a poor joke at best. Your arguments are flawed as they all boil down to because you said so and those you see as inferior are labeled as lefties??? So although you do bore me I refuse to let your narrow minded passive aggressive racist thoughts and comments to just go. I am sure you will make further irrelevant comments on other threads based only in your hatred of anyone that doesnt think like you. What do you provide to society other than drain money that would better be spent on the future rather than your outdated racist, bigoted opinions. As the good British empire we divided and ruled across many countries and many of the problems that came from that are still being felt. You choose to look at this as their problem. I am guessing you are of pensionable age (please correct me if I am wrong) but your system will soon let you down. I imagine you will rely on friends and family to support you or maybe not and you spread your bile on a local paper forum. Now that is pathetic. Que reply form one of your other accounts??? Does it feel good to agree with yourself? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

11:30am Fri 21 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
So you being unaware is an example of fact?
Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site).
How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects.
It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance.
I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites?
Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you?
You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best.
The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?
I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense.

You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine.

Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.
Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man.
If you had just said that at the start I would understand.
Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know?
Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group?

I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.
Of course, Africa was mentioned... I did wonder how long it'd take you to call someone a 'racist'.

Not only are your politics stuck in the 1970s, your attempts to label people who disagree with you are also.

You may not be aware, but just shouting 'racist' at somebody hasn't 'worked' for a few years now.
Your use of the term "OUR" welfare system also shows your true racist colors. Is the welfare system not there for anyone who needs it?
No, the welfare system is NOT 'there for anyone who needs it' - that is a fact quite clearly established under the law.

Are you not aware of illegal immigrants? Are you not aware that BILLIONS of people are NOT entitled to any part of the UK's welfare system?

How is it 'racist' for a person to refer to 'our' benefit system in their own country?

Would it be 'racist' for an Indian person in India to refer to 'their' railways - despite the system being open to anyone to use?

As far as I'm aware, anyone can fly a Union Jack if they wish, but most people in the UK would refer to it as 'our' flag, no?

Just as I said above, your immediate knee-jerk attempt to find ANYTHING with which to try and label someone a 'racist' merely betrays your laughable sixth-form Leftie approach to everything.

Truly pathetic.
The longer foolish comments like yours are freely spoken the longer intolerance will reign. So easily pushed.
Your comment which I correctly pointed out as racist was,

Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them

Sounds pretty foul to me.

As if to prove my point that you only have an interest in pushing your opinions on people what did you say on a thread about a 120 yr old building threatened by building work?
"The Beehive is so full of socialist, Scargillian Labour types it's no surprise the cracks are beginning to show"
You are a poor joke at best.

Your arguments are flawed as they all boil down to because you said so and those you see as inferior are labeled as lefties???
So although you do bore me I refuse to let your narrow minded passive aggressive racist thoughts and comments to just go.
I am sure you will make further irrelevant comments on other threads based only in your hatred of anyone that doesnt think like you.

What do you provide to society other than drain money that would better be spent on the future rather than your outdated racist, bigoted opinions.
As the good British empire we divided and ruled across many countries and many of the problems that came from that are still being felt. You choose to look at this as their problem.
I am guessing you are of pensionable age (please correct me if I am wrong) but your system will soon let you down. I imagine you will rely on friends and family to support you or maybe not and you spread your bile on a local paper forum. Now that is pathetic.
Que reply form one of your other accounts??? Does it feel good to agree with yourself?
Out of the myriad errors, inconsistencies and contradictions in your post bove, one of them really has to be corrected.

Not everyone who is inferior is a leftie... though all lefties are inferior.

As for the continued 'racist' stuff, you crack on. Hopefully it makes you feel better, or something.

Remind me, how much can people claim from the welfare state in Africa?
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]So you being unaware is an example of fact? Off the top of my head I know of 6 people who are from Africa who do not work due to their condition growing up in the Congo seeing people slaughtered around you will have that affect (if you would like to send me an email address I will forward details but I am not posting on a public site). How do I know these people I worked with some of their family members who have gone back to work projects. It wasnt that I looked to pick on one aspect you made an uninformed sweeping statement with no reasoning or thought behind it. You then follow up that ignorant opinion by saying my point was.....how about actually stating your point the first time rather than your passive aggressive stance. I have often "googled" some of your points and ????could not find a source maybe we are looking at different sites? Could you please give an example of the strong argument you claim has been laid out? all I have seen is finger pointing from you? You have answered none of the questions put to you and only as you say deflected the point...your continuing rants are spurious at best. The day I agree with you will be a sad day as I will of been indoors for years being spoon fed my opinion. Are you this bitter towards the lower orders for a reason?[/p][/quote]I can't even decipher this rambling nonsense. You're the one who seems rather bitter and angry. Possibly because you don't appear to know how to use a basic Internet search engine. Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them. All you've actually done is completely backed up my original point, so thanks for that.[/p][/quote]Ahhhh sorry you were being racist...you are a funny little man. If you had just said that at the start I would understand. Again you are using your idiocy as and excuse not to know? Is this forum the only time you converse with people outside of your group? I sent you a link earlier for you to view but the statistic will not support your thinking so I guess you wont get past first paragraph.[/p][/quote]Of course, Africa was mentioned... I did wonder how long it'd take you to call someone a 'racist'. Not only are your politics stuck in the 1970s, your attempts to label people who disagree with you are also. You may not be aware, but just shouting 'racist' at somebody hasn't 'worked' for a few years now.[/p][/quote]Your use of the term "OUR" welfare system also shows your true racist colors. Is the welfare system not there for anyone who needs it?[/p][/quote]No, the welfare system is NOT 'there for anyone who needs it' - that is a fact quite clearly established under the law. Are you not aware of illegal immigrants? Are you not aware that BILLIONS of people are NOT entitled to any part of the UK's welfare system? How is it 'racist' for a person to refer to 'our' benefit system in their own country? Would it be 'racist' for an Indian person in India to refer to 'their' railways - despite the system being open to anyone to use? As far as I'm aware, anyone can fly a Union Jack if they wish, but most people in the UK would refer to it as 'our' flag, no? Just as I said above, your immediate knee-jerk attempt to find ANYTHING with which to try and label someone a 'racist' merely betrays your laughable sixth-form Leftie approach to everything. Truly pathetic.[/p][/quote]The longer foolish comments like yours are freely spoken the longer intolerance will reign. So easily pushed. Your comment which I correctly pointed out as racist was, Interesting that the people you refer to are 'from' Africa. Yes, I have no doubt they claim such things when not in Africa and when our welfare system is there to pay them Sounds pretty foul to me. As if to prove my point that you only have an interest in pushing your opinions on people what did you say on a thread about a 120 yr old building threatened by building work? "The Beehive is so full of socialist, Scargillian Labour types it's no surprise the cracks are beginning to show" You are a poor joke at best. Your arguments are flawed as they all boil down to because you said so and those you see as inferior are labeled as lefties??? So although you do bore me I refuse to let your narrow minded passive aggressive racist thoughts and comments to just go. I am sure you will make further irrelevant comments on other threads based only in your hatred of anyone that doesnt think like you. What do you provide to society other than drain money that would better be spent on the future rather than your outdated racist, bigoted opinions. As the good British empire we divided and ruled across many countries and many of the problems that came from that are still being felt. You choose to look at this as their problem. I am guessing you are of pensionable age (please correct me if I am wrong) but your system will soon let you down. I imagine you will rely on friends and family to support you or maybe not and you spread your bile on a local paper forum. Now that is pathetic. Que reply form one of your other accounts??? Does it feel good to agree with yourself?[/p][/quote]Out of the myriad errors, inconsistencies and contradictions in your post bove, one of them really has to be corrected. Not everyone who is inferior is a leftie... though all lefties are inferior. As for the continued 'racist' stuff, you crack on. Hopefully it makes you feel better, or something. Remind me, how much can people claim from the welfare state in Africa? ChannelX
  • Score: -1

12:00pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Hahahha you have to be a parody there is no way anyone can be this simple. I bet you are telling everyone in the home home important and valid you are??? any visitors lately?
You honestly think your opinion is more valid than others hahaha moron.
You have avoided 6 question through the thread but continued to spit your bile.
I also said and sent you a link about mental health in Africa which was the point you attempted to divert from the actual topic. It is not called welfare system is it????? Thats right you arrived at your conclusions long ago and you are of course right.
I even offered to send you information directly by mail again you just ignore your moronic comments and plough on with more.
Please comment again and confirm your idiocy.
Hahahha you have to be a parody there is no way anyone can be this simple. I bet you are telling everyone in the home home important and valid you are??? any visitors lately? You honestly think your opinion is more valid than others hahaha moron. You have avoided 6 question through the thread but continued to spit your bile. I also said and sent you a link about mental health in Africa which was the point you attempted to divert from the actual topic. It is not called welfare system is it????? Thats right you arrived at your conclusions long ago and you are of course right. I even offered to send you information directly by mail again you just ignore your moronic comments and plough on with more. Please comment again and confirm your idiocy. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

1:03pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
And today you are caught out AGAIN as a liar.....
You really are building up quite a CV of intolerance and bigotry maybe you could host a show with Kilroy?
hahahaha you small excuse for a man typical weak argument that you prop up with lies and bile.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]And today you are caught out AGAIN as a liar..... You really are building up quite a CV of intolerance and bigotry maybe you could host a show with Kilroy? hahahaha you small excuse for a man typical weak argument that you prop up with lies and bile. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

2:08pm Fri 21 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
And today you are caught out AGAIN as a liar.....
You really are building up quite a CV of intolerance and bigotry maybe you could host a show with Kilroy?
hahahaha you small excuse for a man typical weak argument that you prop up with lies and bile.
What are you even talking about?

Please show me where I have been 'caught out AGAIN as a liar'.

As I have explained to one of your colleagues, making an erroneous claim and then acting as though it's reality doesn't work.

Obviously you've given me no cause to think this, but it would be like me saying something like, 'Badgersgetabadname is a mentally ill lunatic who can barely string a coherent sentence together who is psychopathically obsessed with me' and then going to every other thread and posting:

"See, it's been proven you are a mentally ill lunatic who can barely string a coherent sentence together who is psychopathically obsessed with me"

Would you read it and think, 'Oh, yes, fair point - that's correct'.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]And today you are caught out AGAIN as a liar..... You really are building up quite a CV of intolerance and bigotry maybe you could host a show with Kilroy? hahahaha you small excuse for a man typical weak argument that you prop up with lies and bile.[/p][/quote]What are you even talking about? Please show me where I have been 'caught out AGAIN as a liar'. As I have explained to one of your colleagues, making an erroneous claim and then acting as though it's reality doesn't work. Obviously you've given me no cause to think this, but it would be like me saying something like, 'Badgersgetabadname is a mentally ill lunatic who can barely string a coherent sentence together who is psychopathically obsessed with me' and then going to every other thread and posting: "See, it's been proven you are a mentally ill lunatic who can barely string a coherent sentence together who is psychopathically obsessed with me" Would you read it and think, 'Oh, yes, fair point - that's correct'. ChannelX
  • Score: -2

2:45pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability?


I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really.

My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence.

Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have.

So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?
And today you are caught out AGAIN as a liar.....
You really are building up quite a CV of intolerance and bigotry maybe you could host a show with Kilroy?
hahahaha you small excuse for a man typical weak argument that you prop up with lies and bile.
What are you even talking about?

Please show me where I have been 'caught out AGAIN as a liar'.

As I have explained to one of your colleagues, making an erroneous claim and then acting as though it's reality doesn't work.

Obviously you've given me no cause to think this, but it would be like me saying something like, 'Badgersgetabadname is a mentally ill lunatic who can barely string a coherent sentence together who is psychopathically obsessed with me' and then going to every other thread and posting:

"See, it's been proven you are a mentally ill lunatic who can barely string a coherent sentence together who is psychopathically obsessed with me"

Would you read it and think, 'Oh, yes, fair point - that's correct'.
No you are an idiot who has on a number of occasions been caught lying. Today you claimed to of not made the initial comments on the thread about the chapel You did....or someone else using your computer in the home.

I comment against you because you are a nasty piece of work who seem so wrapped up by yourself you use other accounts to praise yourself.

When you feel you cant bully or chase people away with your rhetoric you claim your account is clone, you have been misinterpreted the fault is always someone else.
People that behave in the way that you do should not be allowed to continue without others highlighting how backwards and toxic you are. Until others are doing it I will continue.
No your point is incorrect if I were psychopathically obsessed I would be actively looking for you....do you understand the meaning of the word?
Again you have used your own opinion as a base of proof thats not the way proof works is it?
I have used some of your comments to highlight YOUR ignorance. Maybe if you put some thought in before commenting there would be less to argue against.
In everyone of your posts you dont want to talk about the subject only shout your opinion when there is a response to your fantasy claims you go back to your its all the fault of others.
If you have trouble understanding the sentence I would suggest larger type of if you like I could dumb down for you?
What would you like?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] You seem to be solely angry about claimants with depression is there a reason that in your eyes depression is less of a disability? [/quote] I realise it's your 'style', but picking ONE thing that a person has mentioned and then trying to claim it's the ONLY thing that person has any interest in is, well, a bit weird, really. My point was that I am unaware of anyone in the entire continent of Africa claiming to be 'depressed' in order to be excused from working for a living. Maybe you have evidence or links to a person who has done so... in which case I'm sure you'd provide the evidence. Any facts and statistics I've used are from government sources and are freely and very easily available to anyone with access to Google - as I'm sure you have. So far, all you have done is met the very strong arguments against your stance with very weak attempts at deflection and insults. Not going too well for you, is it?[/p][/quote]And today you are caught out AGAIN as a liar..... You really are building up quite a CV of intolerance and bigotry maybe you could host a show with Kilroy? hahahaha you small excuse for a man typical weak argument that you prop up with lies and bile.[/p][/quote]What are you even talking about? Please show me where I have been 'caught out AGAIN as a liar'. As I have explained to one of your colleagues, making an erroneous claim and then acting as though it's reality doesn't work. Obviously you've given me no cause to think this, but it would be like me saying something like, 'Badgersgetabadname is a mentally ill lunatic who can barely string a coherent sentence together who is psychopathically obsessed with me' and then going to every other thread and posting: "See, it's been proven you are a mentally ill lunatic who can barely string a coherent sentence together who is psychopathically obsessed with me" Would you read it and think, 'Oh, yes, fair point - that's correct'.[/p][/quote]No you are an idiot who has on a number of occasions been caught lying. Today you claimed to of not made the initial comments on the thread about the chapel You did....or someone else using your computer in the home. I comment against you because you are a nasty piece of work who seem so wrapped up by yourself you use other accounts to praise yourself. When you feel you cant bully or chase people away with your rhetoric you claim your account is clone, you have been misinterpreted the fault is always someone else. People that behave in the way that you do should not be allowed to continue without others highlighting how backwards and toxic you are. Until others are doing it I will continue. No your point is incorrect if I were psychopathically obsessed I would be actively looking for you....do you understand the meaning of the word? Again you have used your own opinion as a base of proof thats not the way proof works is it? I have used some of your comments to highlight YOUR ignorance. Maybe if you put some thought in before commenting there would be less to argue against. In everyone of your posts you dont want to talk about the subject only shout your opinion when there is a response to your fantasy claims you go back to your its all the fault of others. If you have trouble understanding the sentence I would suggest larger type of if you like I could dumb down for you? What would you like? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

4:18pm Fri 21 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

No, I didn't make that first comment on the other thread. Are you REALLY too dim to not realise that:

a) I didn't do it
b) somebody else is able to post using my username

What on earth makes you think I use other accounts to praise myself? Do you think that anyone who agrees with my points must be me?

I don't 'bully' anyone. Stop pretending that just because somebody doesn't agree with you, and says so, they must be 'bullying' you.

I only claim that my accounts have been cloned because, shock horror, that actually have. Is that REALLY too much for you to comprehend, you know, the actual simple truth of the matter.


Your point is incorrect if I were psychopathically obsessed I would be actively looking for you....do you understand the meaning of the word?


Yes, and you are actively looking for me.

See, it must be true because I just said it was. That's your 'logic' in operation.

Anyway, this is entirely ridiculous. Your grasp on simple facts and reality seems, let's say, rather slender and so there's very little point continuing to even respond to your nonsense.

Hopefully it all means something to you and you feel like you're fighting the good fight.

But just because you continually call someone 'IGNORANT' doesn't actually mean they are - I hope you've at least learned that much from our exchanges.


If you have trouble understanding the sentence I would suggest larger type of if you like I could dumb down for you?
What would you like?


I'd like two things:

1) for you to take some remedial English lessons
2) then shut up
No, I didn't make that first comment on the other thread. Are you REALLY too dim to not realise that: a) I didn't do it b) somebody else is able to post using my username What on earth makes you think I use other accounts to praise myself? Do you think that anyone who agrees with my points must be me? I don't 'bully' anyone. Stop pretending that just because somebody doesn't agree with you, and says so, they must be 'bullying' you. I only claim that my accounts have been cloned because, shock horror, that actually have. Is that REALLY too much for you to comprehend, you know, the actual simple truth of the matter. [quote] Your point is incorrect if I were psychopathically obsessed I would be actively looking for you....do you understand the meaning of the word? [/quote] Yes, and you are actively looking for me. See, it must be true because I just said it was. That's your 'logic' in operation. Anyway, this is entirely ridiculous. Your grasp on simple facts and reality seems, let's say, rather slender and so there's very little point continuing to even respond to your nonsense. Hopefully it all means something to you and you feel like you're fighting the good fight. But just because you continually call someone 'IGNORANT' doesn't actually mean they are - I hope you've at least learned that much from our exchanges. [quote] If you have trouble understanding the sentence I would suggest larger type of if you like I could dumb down for you? What would you like? [/quote] I'd like two things: 1) for you to take some remedial English lessons 2) then shut up ChannelX
  • Score: -1

5:11pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
No, I didn't make that first comment on the other thread. Are you REALLY too dim to not realise that:

a) I didn't do it
b) somebody else is able to post using my username

What on earth makes you think I use other accounts to praise myself? Do you think that anyone who agrees with my points must be me?

I don't 'bully' anyone. Stop pretending that just because somebody doesn't agree with you, and says so, they must be 'bullying' you.

I only claim that my accounts have been cloned because, shock horror, that actually have. Is that REALLY too much for you to comprehend, you know, the actual simple truth of the matter.


Your point is incorrect if I were psychopathically obsessed I would be actively looking for you....do you understand the meaning of the word?


Yes, and you are actively looking for me.

See, it must be true because I just said it was. That's your 'logic' in operation.

Anyway, this is entirely ridiculous. Your grasp on simple facts and reality seems, let's say, rather slender and so there's very little point continuing to even respond to your nonsense.

Hopefully it all means something to you and you feel like you're fighting the good fight.

But just because you continually call someone 'IGNORANT' doesn't actually mean they are - I hope you've at least learned that much from our exchanges.


If you have trouble understanding the sentence I would suggest larger type of if you like I could dumb down for you?
What would you like?


I'd like two things:

1) for you to take some remedial English lessons
2) then shut up
Hahahahhahaha you are wonderfully predictable and bless maybe you could ask matron for extra meds.
I would imagine you and all your invented identities would like that but no way.
pointing out your ignorance is far to much fun.
I am not looking for you, you spread your bile onto a public comments forum and should expect that people may not agree with you due to your right wing and ignorant comments.
You make comments stated as fact when they are not that is the definition of ignorant.
I made some simple request to you as to outline your argument you didnt you continued to spout the same drivel.
So your only problem with my comments is that my grammar should be improved?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: No, I didn't make that first comment on the other thread. Are you REALLY too dim to not realise that: a) I didn't do it b) somebody else is able to post using my username What on earth makes you think I use other accounts to praise myself? Do you think that anyone who agrees with my points must be me? I don't 'bully' anyone. Stop pretending that just because somebody doesn't agree with you, and says so, they must be 'bullying' you. I only claim that my accounts have been cloned because, shock horror, that actually have. Is that REALLY too much for you to comprehend, you know, the actual simple truth of the matter. [quote] Your point is incorrect if I were psychopathically obsessed I would be actively looking for you....do you understand the meaning of the word? [/quote] Yes, and you are actively looking for me. See, it must be true because I just said it was. That's your 'logic' in operation. Anyway, this is entirely ridiculous. Your grasp on simple facts and reality seems, let's say, rather slender and so there's very little point continuing to even respond to your nonsense. Hopefully it all means something to you and you feel like you're fighting the good fight. But just because you continually call someone 'IGNORANT' doesn't actually mean they are - I hope you've at least learned that much from our exchanges. [quote] If you have trouble understanding the sentence I would suggest larger type of if you like I could dumb down for you? What would you like? [/quote] I'd like two things: 1) for you to take some remedial English lessons 2) then shut up[/p][/quote]Hahahahhahaha you are wonderfully predictable and bless maybe you could ask matron for extra meds. I would imagine you and all your invented identities would like that but no way. pointing out your ignorance is far to much fun. I am not looking for you, you spread your bile onto a public comments forum and should expect that people may not agree with you due to your right wing and ignorant comments. You make comments stated as fact when they are not that is the definition of ignorant. I made some simple request to you as to outline your argument you didnt you continued to spout the same drivel. So your only problem with my comments is that my grammar should be improved? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

5:18pm Fri 21 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Yes, your grammar should be improved - although I suspect it's probably not possible in your case - as it may make it a little easier for you to communicate the rather 'off beat' stuff that seems to pop into your head.

I make comments and offer opinions, if you wish to take them as fact, that's up to you. Presumably you believe that continually calling me 'ignorant' makes it a fact - so how are you comments any different to my comments in that regard?

Anyway, many thanks for the continued (and slightly unhinged) replies, but I really am just bored to tears of you now.

Have a good evening.
Yes, your grammar should be improved - although I suspect it's probably not possible in your case - as it may make it a little easier for you to communicate the rather 'off beat' stuff that seems to pop into your head. I make comments and offer opinions, if you wish to take them as fact, that's up to you. Presumably you believe that continually calling me 'ignorant' makes it a fact - so how are you comments any different to my comments in that regard? Anyway, many thanks for the continued (and slightly unhinged) replies, but I really am just bored to tears of you now. Have a good evening. ChannelX
  • Score: -1

1:12pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Would you feel more comfortable with moron? interesting you are the only one that has issues with either my content or grammar and only when your circular argument has ceased?
Strange person but you do entertain me.
Lots of hugs and hope you had a nice weekend.
Would you feel more comfortable with moron? interesting you are the only one that has issues with either my content or grammar and only when your circular argument has ceased? Strange person but you do entertain me. Lots of hugs and hope you had a nice weekend. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

9:59pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Smith111 says...

My friend had a mental breakdown just before the last election, and he saw a doctor at the Job Centre, his doctor and medical notes were looked at. Just after the election, he had a 10 minute appointment with an Atos 'nurse' where his mental health problems didn't match anything on her tick box chart and his doctor wasn't asked anything. He's now on a work programme that don't deal with people who have mental health problems. They get paid for forcing people to take anything. My friend feels as if they want him to kill himself. He wants to work, but the unsuitable treatment he has had is making him worse.
My friend had a mental breakdown just before the last election, and he saw a doctor at the Job Centre, his doctor and medical notes were looked at. Just after the election, he had a 10 minute appointment with an Atos 'nurse' where his mental health problems didn't match anything on her tick box chart and his doctor wasn't asked anything. He's now on a work programme that don't deal with people who have mental health problems. They get paid for forcing people to take anything. My friend feels as if they want him to kill himself. He wants to work, but the unsuitable treatment he has had is making him worse. Smith111
  • Score: 0

10:07pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Smith111 says...

swindondad wrote:
Being "sick" or "disabled" should not mean you can't work and have to rely on benefits!

It just means that there are some jobs you can't do.

If you are confined to a wheelchair then the production line at Honda is probably out of the question but you might still be able to work at a desk in their HR department. If you have trouble dealing with crowds / noise the working the till at ASDA would be a bad fit but maybe you would be a great landscape gardener. For those who have genuinely “incapable” of “any work” then there must be support from society but there must be a system of assessment, checks and balances.

I think it would be better (for the claimants and society) if more thought / effort was put into finding "sick" and "disabled" people suitable work.
My friend who had a mental breakdown wants to work. The thing is, he had a 10 minute appointment with an Atos nurse where his mental health problems didn't match anything on her tick box chart. Now he's on a work programme who aren't qualified to help people with mental health problems. They get paid for forcing people to take anything. He's suffering degrading and humiliating treatment. His breakdown happened just before the last election where he saw a doctor at the Job centre, and his doctor was asked for details. Then just after the election his 10 minute meeting with an Atos nurse didn't ask his doctor anything, and he was threatened with having benefits taken away to be starving and homeless if he appealed. That's cruelty to vulnerable people.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: Being "sick" or "disabled" should not mean you can't work and have to rely on benefits! It just means that there are some jobs you can't do. If you are confined to a wheelchair then the production line at Honda is probably out of the question but you might still be able to work at a desk in their HR department. If you have trouble dealing with crowds / noise the working the till at ASDA would be a bad fit but maybe you would be a great landscape gardener. For those who have genuinely “incapable” of “any work” then there must be support from society but there must be a system of assessment, checks and balances. I think it would be better (for the claimants and society) if more thought / effort was put into finding "sick" and "disabled" people suitable work.[/p][/quote]My friend who had a mental breakdown wants to work. The thing is, he had a 10 minute appointment with an Atos nurse where his mental health problems didn't match anything on her tick box chart. Now he's on a work programme who aren't qualified to help people with mental health problems. They get paid for forcing people to take anything. He's suffering degrading and humiliating treatment. His breakdown happened just before the last election where he saw a doctor at the Job centre, and his doctor was asked for details. Then just after the election his 10 minute meeting with an Atos nurse didn't ask his doctor anything, and he was threatened with having benefits taken away to be starving and homeless if he appealed. That's cruelty to vulnerable people. Smith111
  • Score: 2

10:59am Wed 26 Feb 14

John Trollston says...

Is this not the whole failure of the benefits system.

relentless media propaganda to demonise claimants when the biggest rise is in WORKING people claiming benefits due to low wages and high rents not your supper skol drinking chav.

Atos are clearly failing vulnerable and disabled persons and a review of there procedures and assesments is urgently needed.
Is this not the whole failure of the benefits system. relentless media propaganda to demonise claimants when the biggest rise is in WORKING people claiming benefits due to low wages and high rents not your supper skol drinking chav. Atos are clearly failing vulnerable and disabled persons and a review of there procedures and assesments is urgently needed. John Trollston
  • Score: 1

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