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Job seekers face cash cut

Swindon Advertiser: Karen Simpson, who claims Job Seekers’ Allowance, at Swindon Job Centre Plus Karen Simpson, who claims Job Seekers’ Allowance, at Swindon Job Centre Plus

NEW figures released this week show that Job Seekers’ Allowance claimants in Swindon have had their money docked almost 1,600 times in a year.

Between October 2012 and September 2013, the Jobcentre Plus Office in Spring Garden House made 1,557 decisions against claimants.

A further 1,586 investigations were carried out which were then decided in favour of the claimant.

There are a total of 3,600 claimants in the town, although the Swindon office also caters for the outlying area.

JSA can be docked for a number of reasons, such as missing an appointment with a job officer, failing to apply for an adequate number of jobs or voluntarily leaving a work placement.

The sanctions can include stopping payments for a period of time or even stopping the payments altogether.

Across the whole country there were a total of 818,000 sanctions. The Government has hailed it as a sign action is being taken to ensure people are looking for work.

However, while claimants in Swindon are broadly supportive of the idea of sanctions, they say payments are often stopped before full an explanation is given.

Among them is 52-year-old Karen Simpson, who has been on JSA for almost two years.

She said: “It is important they look into everything properly before they stop any money and they could be more sympathetic.

“Everyone wants to work and is looking for jobs but sometimes there will be a very good reason as to why someone may not be able to make a meeting.”

Ben, 23, who did not want to give his surname, was signing on for the first time yesterday and had concerns about how strict the Jobcentre Plus will be.

He said: “I think sanctions for people who are not doing enough is a good thing but it depends on the situation as to whether sanctions should be in place.

“People get ill and have emergencies so might not be able to make the weekly meeting.

“The Jobcentre should make a proper investigation into why before they stop payments.”

North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson said he believed the figures are positive.

“It shows we are serious about getting people back into work and it’s right we do all we can to make sure they seek an opportunity to work,” he said.

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10:10am Sat 22 Feb 14

RichardR1 says...

If there are rules to receiving a benefit and you don't comply why should you be paid. I think there is a need though for the claimants to be told prior to the stoppage.clearly if you are expecting money and it doesn't appear in your account then that seems harsh if your not expecting it.
If there are rules to receiving a benefit and you don't comply why should you be paid. I think there is a need though for the claimants to be told prior to the stoppage.clearly if you are expecting money and it doesn't appear in your account then that seems harsh if your not expecting it. RichardR1
  • Score: -17

1:08pm Sat 22 Feb 14

mrwoo says...

Plenty of work in Swindon.
Plenty of work in Swindon. mrwoo
  • Score: -1

2:33pm Sat 22 Feb 14

John Trollston says...

sending poor people to absolute destitution is not the answer benefits sanctions are wrong on so many levels.
sending poor people to absolute destitution is not the answer benefits sanctions are wrong on so many levels. John Trollston
  • Score: -3

2:43pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Hmmmf says...

John Trollston wrote:
sending poor people to absolute destitution is not the answer benefits sanctions are wrong on so many levels.
Claimants sign a contract laying out exactly what is expected of them in return for the money they receive. If they fail to keep to their side of the bargain they can expect to receive the sanctions which are clearly explained to them when they sign on.
Please elaborate why this is wrong and in light of the simple fact of the Jobseeker's Contract, describe the 'many levels' you're referring to.
[quote][p][bold]John Trollston[/bold] wrote: sending poor people to absolute destitution is not the answer benefits sanctions are wrong on so many levels.[/p][/quote]Claimants sign a contract laying out exactly what is expected of them in return for the money they receive. If they fail to keep to their side of the bargain they can expect to receive the sanctions which are clearly explained to them when they sign on. Please elaborate why this is wrong and in light of the simple fact of the Jobseeker's Contract, describe the 'many levels' you're referring to. Hmmmf
  • Score: 8

2:58pm Sat 22 Feb 14

barlizard says...

I signed off by posting the 'declaration of finding work' forms in the job centre wall post box. my benefit up to the day I started work was stopped because I missed my signing day? I am now fighting to get what I'm owed because in their wisdom to make money from people calling the 0845 number to sign off, they blocked off the post box INSIDE the job centre! Would have been more of a clue had they blocked off the post box OUTSIDE!
I signed off by posting the 'declaration of finding work' forms in the job centre wall post box. my benefit up to the day I started work was stopped because I missed my signing day? I am now fighting to get what I'm owed because in their wisdom to make money from people calling the 0845 number to sign off, they blocked off the post box INSIDE the job centre! Would have been more of a clue had they blocked off the post box OUTSIDE! barlizard
  • Score: 10

4:44pm Sat 22 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

John Trollston wrote:
sending poor people to absolute destitution is not the answer benefits sanctions are wrong on so many levels.
So what exactly is your definition of "poor people" and dont you feel that is a slightly derogatory term?
[quote][p][bold]John Trollston[/bold] wrote: sending poor people to absolute destitution is not the answer benefits sanctions are wrong on so many levels.[/p][/quote]So what exactly is your definition of "poor people" and dont you feel that is a slightly derogatory term? house on the hill
  • Score: -7

5:55pm Sat 22 Feb 14

mrwoo says...

John Trollston wrote:
sending poor people to absolute destitution is not the answer benefits sanctions are wrong on so many levels.
you r gay!
[quote][p][bold]John Trollston[/bold] wrote: sending poor people to absolute destitution is not the answer benefits sanctions are wrong on so many levels.[/p][/quote]you r gay! mrwoo
  • Score: -13

7:02pm Sat 22 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

John Trollston wrote:
sending poor people to absolute destitution is not the answer benefits sanctions are wrong on so many levels.
So how exactly do you have a benefit system without sanctions then? Or is it just a bottomless pit?
[quote][p][bold]John Trollston[/bold] wrote: sending poor people to absolute destitution is not the answer benefits sanctions are wrong on so many levels.[/p][/quote]So how exactly do you have a benefit system without sanctions then? Or is it just a bottomless pit? house on the hill
  • Score: -2

7:42pm Sat 22 Feb 14

John Trollston says...

The regime is not only self-defeating, it is also poorly administered how is an unemployed person able to get to interviews with no money?
These sanctions are also used to manipulate employment figures and punish the unemployed for a poor jobs market.
This also demonises claimants as lazy, shirkers, scroungers, wasters who will only get into work if they are forced.

Here are some of the reasons for sanctions:

You’re five minutes late for your appointment’
Christmas Day. You don’t do any jobsearch, because it’s Christmas Day. So you get sanctioned
You’re sick and miss an appointment, but you’ve already missed one so you get sanctioned
You don’t apply for an IT job that needs skills you don’t have so you get sanctioned
You attend a work programme interview so you miss your jobcentre appointement and get sanctioned

The list goes on
The regime is not only self-defeating, it is also poorly administered how is an unemployed person able to get to interviews with no money? These sanctions are also used to manipulate employment figures and punish the unemployed for a poor jobs market. This also demonises claimants as lazy, shirkers, scroungers, wasters who will only get into work if they are forced. Here are some of the reasons for sanctions: You’re five minutes late for your appointment’ Christmas Day. You don’t do any jobsearch, because it’s Christmas Day. So you get sanctioned You’re sick and miss an appointment, but you’ve already missed one so you get sanctioned You don’t apply for an IT job that needs skills you don’t have so you get sanctioned You attend a work programme interview so you miss your jobcentre appointement and get sanctioned The list goes on John Trollston
  • Score: 4

9:05pm Sat 22 Feb 14

mrwoo says...

John Trollston wrote:
The regime is not only self-defeating, it is also poorly administered how is an unemployed person able to get to interviews with no money?
These sanctions are also used to manipulate employment figures and punish the unemployed for a poor jobs market.
This also demonises claimants as lazy, shirkers, scroungers, wasters who will only get into work if they are forced.

Here are some of the reasons for sanctions:

You’re five minutes late for your appointment’
Christmas Day. You don’t do any jobsearch, because it’s Christmas Day. So you get sanctioned
You’re sick and miss an appointment, but you’ve already missed one so you get sanctioned
You don’t apply for an IT job that needs skills you don’t have so you get sanctioned
You attend a work programme interview so you miss your jobcentre appointement and get sanctioned

The list goes on
walked to the interview muppet!
[quote][p][bold]John Trollston[/bold] wrote: The regime is not only self-defeating, it is also poorly administered how is an unemployed person able to get to interviews with no money? These sanctions are also used to manipulate employment figures and punish the unemployed for a poor jobs market. This also demonises claimants as lazy, shirkers, scroungers, wasters who will only get into work if they are forced. Here are some of the reasons for sanctions: You’re five minutes late for your appointment’ Christmas Day. You don’t do any jobsearch, because it’s Christmas Day. So you get sanctioned You’re sick and miss an appointment, but you’ve already missed one so you get sanctioned You don’t apply for an IT job that needs skills you don’t have so you get sanctioned You attend a work programme interview so you miss your jobcentre appointement and get sanctioned The list goes on[/p][/quote]walked to the interview muppet! mrwoo
  • Score: -5

9:57pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Suindone says...

I agree with John Trollston.
We are one of the richest country in the world. There are very few jobs about that pay decent money. Minimum wage and zero-hours contracts are pushing families to breaking point and the consequence of having two parents working increase the % of failing our children.
I agree with John Trollston. We are one of the richest country in the world. There are very few jobs about that pay decent money. Minimum wage and zero-hours contracts are pushing families to breaking point and the consequence of having two parents working increase the % of failing our children. Suindone
  • Score: 6

10:01pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Suindone says...

Benefits firm Atos stunned an epileptic sacked from a previous job because of daily fits when they axed his benefits and insisted he WAS able to work.
Kevin Deegan-Hall was dismissed from his post after lying about his poor health on an application form because he was so desperate to find employment.
The 50-year-old was forced to accept he was not fit for work after he suffered epileptic fits nearly every day when working as a pottery labourer.
Since leaving that job Kevin - who is also diabetic, asthmatic and has restricted movement in his arms due to an injury suffered during a fit - has claimed benefits.
But last year he was shocked to discover they had suddenly stopped.
Unbeknown to him, he had been reclassified as fit to eventually return to work by Atos Healthcare - the company employed by the Government to carry out ‘fit for work’ assessments.
Benefits firm Atos stunned an epileptic sacked from a previous job because of daily fits when they axed his benefits and insisted he WAS able to work. Kevin Deegan-Hall was dismissed from his post after lying about his poor health on an application form because he was so desperate to find employment. The 50-year-old was forced to accept he was not fit for work after he suffered epileptic fits nearly every day when working as a pottery labourer. Since leaving that job Kevin - who is also diabetic, asthmatic and has restricted movement in his arms due to an injury suffered during a fit - has claimed benefits. But last year he was shocked to discover they had suddenly stopped. Unbeknown to him, he had been reclassified as fit to eventually return to work by Atos Healthcare - the company employed by the Government to carry out ‘fit for work’ assessments. Suindone
  • Score: 9

10:04pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Suindone says...

This is what "mrwoo" says..."walk to the interview muppet!" and then "you r gay!" and finally "Plenty of work in Swindon"...is this guy a joke?? or a troll!
This is what "mrwoo" says..."walk to the interview muppet!" and then "you r gay!" and finally "Plenty of work in Swindon"...is this guy a joke?? or a troll! Suindone
  • Score: 11

10:26pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Russell Holland says...

In Swindon may people get Job Seekers Allowance for relatively short periods - this is partly because there are more people on temporary work so they are in and out of employment.

I would prefer to see local Councils have more control over sanctions because it means there is democratic oversight at a local level. As a local Councillor for housing/Council tax benefit I can personally ask for an individual case to be reviewed which may reveal that there has been an error or misunderstanding in which case it can be corrected fairly easily.
In Swindon may people get Job Seekers Allowance for relatively short periods - this is partly because there are more people on temporary work so they are in and out of employment. I would prefer to see local Councils have more control over sanctions because it means there is democratic oversight at a local level. As a local Councillor for housing/Council tax benefit I can personally ask for an individual case to be reviewed which may reveal that there has been an error or misunderstanding in which case it can be corrected fairly easily. Russell Holland
  • Score: 3

12:06am Sun 23 Feb 14

anyopinion says...

mrwoo says...
"Plenty of work in Swindon."
"you r gay!"
"walked to the interview muppet!"

Your comments makes me think that you must be intellectually challenged... nonetheless you should know that the "you r gay" comment is out of line, discriminatory and offensive towards gay people. I reported you so don't be surprised if some of your comments won't be posted from now on.
mrwoo says... "Plenty of work in Swindon." "you r gay!" "walked to the interview muppet!" Your comments makes me think that you must be intellectually challenged... nonetheless you should know that the "you r gay" comment is out of line, discriminatory and offensive towards gay people. I reported you so don't be surprised if some of your comments won't be posted from now on. anyopinion
  • Score: 9

8:08am Sun 23 Feb 14

Localboy86 says...

There are jobs, my friend lost his last week and is already working again (he's doing overtime this weekend to make up for the days he wasn't working last week). He had three job offers to chose from within a few days so I have to wonder why some people can't seem to find work.
There are jobs, my friend lost his last week and is already working again (he's doing overtime this weekend to make up for the days he wasn't working last week). He had three job offers to chose from within a few days so I have to wonder why some people can't seem to find work. Localboy86
  • Score: 5

8:20am Sun 23 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

Suindone wrote:
I agree with John Trollston.
We are one of the richest country in the world. There are very few jobs about that pay decent money. Minimum wage and zero-hours contracts are pushing families to breaking point and the consequence of having two parents working increase the % of failing our children.
As with so many you are just looking at one side of the argument. What do you think would happen if companies had to pay more and have more perm staff than temps? Prices would go up to compensate and they would look at how many staff they actually needed and probably take on less staff. You cant have one without the other. We already have 53% of the adult population taking more than they contribute in taxation and yes we have to reverse that as it is clearly unsustainable but by making companies pay more and raise their prices that will make it even harder for those on low incomes to survive, so sorry i dont agree with your way of dealing with the problem.

I also dont believe that phrases like "breaking point" or "absolute destitution" are anywhere near accurate, just take a look around the world to see how much better off even those on benefits are than 95% of the rest of the world, so please a bit more reality here. I also dont agree we are one of the richest countries in the world, we came very near to bankruptcy only a few years ago. There are those who are rich in their own right but the country itself is far from rich with a massive budget deficit and a welfare and health system spiralling out of control. Business depends on supply and demand and keeping up with the competition so dont expect anyone to start putting up wages until the economy really does pick up and getting back on topic, there does have to be some form of sanction and procedure for benefits or are you advocating endlessly paying out taxpayers money we dont have with no checks or responsibility on the claimant?

We all agree there is a problem that needs to be sorted and nothing will ever be perfect but the overriding factor is that whatever scheme you advocate it still has to be paid for somehow
[quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote: I agree with John Trollston. We are one of the richest country in the world. There are very few jobs about that pay decent money. Minimum wage and zero-hours contracts are pushing families to breaking point and the consequence of having two parents working increase the % of failing our children.[/p][/quote]As with so many you are just looking at one side of the argument. What do you think would happen if companies had to pay more and have more perm staff than temps? Prices would go up to compensate and they would look at how many staff they actually needed and probably take on less staff. You cant have one without the other. We already have 53% of the adult population taking more than they contribute in taxation and yes we have to reverse that as it is clearly unsustainable but by making companies pay more and raise their prices that will make it even harder for those on low incomes to survive, so sorry i dont agree with your way of dealing with the problem. I also dont believe that phrases like "breaking point" or "absolute destitution" are anywhere near accurate, just take a look around the world to see how much better off even those on benefits are than 95% of the rest of the world, so please a bit more reality here. I also dont agree we are one of the richest countries in the world, we came very near to bankruptcy only a few years ago. There are those who are rich in their own right but the country itself is far from rich with a massive budget deficit and a welfare and health system spiralling out of control. Business depends on supply and demand and keeping up with the competition so dont expect anyone to start putting up wages until the economy really does pick up and getting back on topic, there does have to be some form of sanction and procedure for benefits or are you advocating endlessly paying out taxpayers money we dont have with no checks or responsibility on the claimant? We all agree there is a problem that needs to be sorted and nothing will ever be perfect but the overriding factor is that whatever scheme you advocate it still has to be paid for somehow house on the hill
  • Score: -2

9:28am Sun 23 Feb 14

mrwoo says...

anyopinion wrote:
mrwoo says...
"Plenty of work in Swindon."
"you r gay!"
"walked to the interview muppet!"

Your comments makes me think that you must be intellectually challenged... nonetheless you should know that the "you r gay" comment is out of line, discriminatory and offensive towards gay people. I reported you so don't be surprised if some of your comments won't be posted from now on.
haha numpty nuts, tell the teacher!

Oh and gay clearly means happy which is ironic as clearly you are a miserable Gene Hunt!
[quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote: mrwoo says... "Plenty of work in Swindon." "you r gay!" "walked to the interview muppet!" Your comments makes me think that you must be intellectually challenged... nonetheless you should know that the "you r gay" comment is out of line, discriminatory and offensive towards gay people. I reported you so don't be surprised if some of your comments won't be posted from now on.[/p][/quote]haha numpty nuts, tell the teacher! Oh and gay clearly means happy which is ironic as clearly you are a miserable Gene Hunt! mrwoo
  • Score: 0

11:55am Sun 23 Feb 14

John Trollston says...

Localboy86 wrote:
There are jobs, my friend lost his last week and is already working again (he's doing overtime this weekend to make up for the days he wasn't working last week). He had three job offers to chose from within a few days so I have to wonder why some people can't seem to find work.
I find this hard to Believe if you visit reed.co.uk there is a count of how many people have applied for the job this is just via this one website normally in the 100s.

At the lower end the jobs are now taken by economic migrants statistics say you are not being truthful as there are around 5k persons on JSA not including 16-18 year olds there were around 1k jobs advertised in the job centre.

The reasons for these sanctions of JSA are ludicrous most of the time and this draconian punishment is repulsive.

If we are on the subject of TAX look up the tax avoidance schemes of the UK's 100 biggest firms so disgusting.
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: There are jobs, my friend lost his last week and is already working again (he's doing overtime this weekend to make up for the days he wasn't working last week). He had three job offers to chose from within a few days so I have to wonder why some people can't seem to find work.[/p][/quote]I find this hard to Believe if you visit reed.co.uk there is a count of how many people have applied for the job this is just via this one website normally in the 100s. At the lower end the jobs are now taken by economic migrants statistics say you are not being truthful as there are around 5k persons on JSA not including 16-18 year olds there were around 1k jobs advertised in the job centre. The reasons for these sanctions of JSA are ludicrous most of the time and this draconian punishment is repulsive. If we are on the subject of TAX look up the tax avoidance schemes of the UK's 100 biggest firms so disgusting. John Trollston
  • Score: -1

1:16pm Sun 23 Feb 14

trolley dolley says...

Anyone who is unable to work due to mental or physical disability should be fully supported.

However people who do not want to start work, usually at the bottom rates of pay, do so by choice.

Most people start their careers at the bottom but some people think it does not apply to them.

They should not be supported but made to take on any job that is available. If they need some training to do the job then this should be provided.

It is about time people realised that they must support themselves and not rely on other people.

I am not talking about transient unemployed or people who are sick I am talking about people who will not work for whatever reason.
Anyone who is unable to work due to mental or physical disability should be fully supported. However people who do not want to start work, usually at the bottom rates of pay, do so by choice. Most people start their careers at the bottom but some people think it does not apply to them. They should not be supported but made to take on any job that is available. If they need some training to do the job then this should be provided. It is about time people realised that they must support themselves and not rely on other people. I am not talking about transient unemployed or people who are sick I am talking about people who will not work for whatever reason. trolley dolley
  • Score: 4

1:53pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Localboy86 says...

John Trollston wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
There are jobs, my friend lost his last week and is already working again (he's doing overtime this weekend to make up for the days he wasn't working last week). He had three job offers to chose from within a few days so I have to wonder why some people can't seem to find work.
I find this hard to Believe if you visit reed.co.uk there is a count of how many people have applied for the job this is just via this one website normally in the 100s.

At the lower end the jobs are now taken by economic migrants statistics say you are not being truthful as there are around 5k persons on JSA not including 16-18 year olds there were around 1k jobs advertised in the job centre.

The reasons for these sanctions of JSA are ludicrous most of the time and this draconian punishment is repulsive.

If we are on the subject of TAX look up the tax avoidance schemes of the UK's 100 biggest firms so disgusting.
My friend didn't just look in an agency window or go down the job centre, he got himself out there, show a bit of enthusiasm and you will be surprised what doors open. There are jobs, you just need to look for them and be a bit flexible. Ok you might start off sweeping floors but if you turn up early, show willing, opportunities will come your way. Any able bodied person in swindon who says there are no jobs are lying!
[quote][p][bold]John Trollston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: There are jobs, my friend lost his last week and is already working again (he's doing overtime this weekend to make up for the days he wasn't working last week). He had three job offers to chose from within a few days so I have to wonder why some people can't seem to find work.[/p][/quote]I find this hard to Believe if you visit reed.co.uk there is a count of how many people have applied for the job this is just via this one website normally in the 100s. At the lower end the jobs are now taken by economic migrants statistics say you are not being truthful as there are around 5k persons on JSA not including 16-18 year olds there were around 1k jobs advertised in the job centre. The reasons for these sanctions of JSA are ludicrous most of the time and this draconian punishment is repulsive. If we are on the subject of TAX look up the tax avoidance schemes of the UK's 100 biggest firms so disgusting.[/p][/quote]My friend didn't just look in an agency window or go down the job centre, he got himself out there, show a bit of enthusiasm and you will be surprised what doors open. There are jobs, you just need to look for them and be a bit flexible. Ok you might start off sweeping floors but if you turn up early, show willing, opportunities will come your way. Any able bodied person in swindon who says there are no jobs are lying! Localboy86
  • Score: 3

3:13pm Sun 23 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

Localboy86 wrote:
John Trollston wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
There are jobs, my friend lost his last week and is already working again (he's doing overtime this weekend to make up for the days he wasn't working last week). He had three job offers to chose from within a few days so I have to wonder why some people can't seem to find work.
I find this hard to Believe if you visit reed.co.uk there is a count of how many people have applied for the job this is just via this one website normally in the 100s.

At the lower end the jobs are now taken by economic migrants statistics say you are not being truthful as there are around 5k persons on JSA not including 16-18 year olds there were around 1k jobs advertised in the job centre.

The reasons for these sanctions of JSA are ludicrous most of the time and this draconian punishment is repulsive.

If we are on the subject of TAX look up the tax avoidance schemes of the UK's 100 biggest firms so disgusting.
My friend didn't just look in an agency window or go down the job centre, he got himself out there, show a bit of enthusiasm and you will be surprised what doors open. There are jobs, you just need to look for them and be a bit flexible. Ok you might start off sweeping floors but if you turn up early, show willing, opportunities will come your way. Any able bodied person in swindon who says there are no jobs are lying!
Blimey I actually find myself agreeing with you there. There is work out there if you want to work but yes it might mean starting off at the bottom to get back to the top and that is what too many aren't prepared to do. it has to be the "right" job or they cant be bothered. Or they aren't prepared to take on something new and change direction or even move to a new area, like a lot of us have done more than once!

As others have said, those who are clearly unable to work should always be helped, but there has to be a limit on how much help is given to those who don't or won't bother to help themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Trollston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: There are jobs, my friend lost his last week and is already working again (he's doing overtime this weekend to make up for the days he wasn't working last week). He had three job offers to chose from within a few days so I have to wonder why some people can't seem to find work.[/p][/quote]I find this hard to Believe if you visit reed.co.uk there is a count of how many people have applied for the job this is just via this one website normally in the 100s. At the lower end the jobs are now taken by economic migrants statistics say you are not being truthful as there are around 5k persons on JSA not including 16-18 year olds there were around 1k jobs advertised in the job centre. The reasons for these sanctions of JSA are ludicrous most of the time and this draconian punishment is repulsive. If we are on the subject of TAX look up the tax avoidance schemes of the UK's 100 biggest firms so disgusting.[/p][/quote]My friend didn't just look in an agency window or go down the job centre, he got himself out there, show a bit of enthusiasm and you will be surprised what doors open. There are jobs, you just need to look for them and be a bit flexible. Ok you might start off sweeping floors but if you turn up early, show willing, opportunities will come your way. Any able bodied person in swindon who says there are no jobs are lying![/p][/quote]Blimey I actually find myself agreeing with you there. There is work out there if you want to work but yes it might mean starting off at the bottom to get back to the top and that is what too many aren't prepared to do. it has to be the "right" job or they cant be bothered. Or they aren't prepared to take on something new and change direction or even move to a new area, like a lot of us have done more than once! As others have said, those who are clearly unable to work should always be helped, but there has to be a limit on how much help is given to those who don't or won't bother to help themselves. house on the hill
  • Score: 7

4:24pm Sun 23 Feb 14

John Trollston says...

Yes there are jobs out there, not enough but and lets get one thing straight here not all benefits claimants are lazy, scroungers this stigmata is promoted by heavily edited television programs for sick entertainment.

Poverty rates are rising at an alarming level.
Here is what a job seeker faces in todays employment market.

Economic migrants in Swindon there are numerous companies that at the shop floor level(unskilled) the workforce is 90% economic migrants they are preferred in some cased over there UK job seeker.

Zero contracts these contracts are nothing more than exploitation.
Employers advertising jobs in the UK around the EU.

decrease in the proportion of mid-ranking jobs in the labour mark.
The number of unemployed people per vacancy.

A rise in part time work as persons cannot find fulltime work
A massive rise in unemployment for the under 25s.

The UK is still deep in recession
(source office for national statistics)

Persons are willing to work and most will take anything as with graduate and youth unemployment its not about waiting for the right job its about experience.

The persons claiming JSA in the overall benefits system is very very small % as stated these sanctions are punishing people for a highly competitive jobs market 99% of persons claiming JSA WANT TO WORK some posters here refuse to except the simple fact its hard to get a job in 2014.
Yes there are jobs out there, not enough but and lets get one thing straight here not all benefits claimants are lazy, scroungers this stigmata is promoted by heavily edited television programs for sick entertainment. Poverty rates are rising at an alarming level. Here is what a job seeker faces in todays employment market. Economic migrants in Swindon there are numerous companies that at the shop floor level(unskilled) the workforce is 90% economic migrants they are preferred in some cased over there UK job seeker. Zero contracts these contracts are nothing more than exploitation. Employers advertising jobs in the UK around the EU. decrease in the proportion of mid-ranking jobs in the labour mark. The number of unemployed people per vacancy. A rise in part time work as persons cannot find fulltime work A massive rise in unemployment for the under 25s. The UK is still deep in recession (source office for national statistics) Persons are willing to work and most will take anything as with graduate and youth unemployment its not about waiting for the right job its about experience. The persons claiming JSA in the overall benefits system is very very small % as stated these sanctions are punishing people for a highly competitive jobs market 99% of persons claiming JSA WANT TO WORK some posters here refuse to except the simple fact its hard to get a job in 2014. John Trollston
  • Score: 4

7:59pm Sun 23 Feb 14

faatmaan says...

there are people claiming benefits who are known by the Benefits office as being unwilling to help themselves, these people should by now be attending the correct rehabilitation courses and put on the path forward, in many cases one I know particularly well a person who refuses to work , has the benefits officials visit them at home, yet this person is fit for work , has a relatively easy life, moves house at a whim, has been given some sort of exemption from the bedroom tax even though that person only needs one bedroom, the benefits people are sometimes caught in a no win situation where the more they force the issue the more support this individual seems to receive. Now that person is not the only one fleecing the system, but something has to be done to get these parasites who never want to contribute to the society we live in back in the fold, the only thing I could suggest is to relocate these people to a part of the country where that way of existence would be permissible and let the freed up accommodation be used by others.
there are people claiming benefits who are known by the Benefits office as being unwilling to help themselves, these people should by now be attending the correct rehabilitation courses and put on the path forward, in many cases one I know particularly well a person who refuses to work , has the benefits officials visit them at home, yet this person is fit for work , has a relatively easy life, moves house at a whim, has been given some sort of exemption from the bedroom tax even though that person only needs one bedroom, the benefits people are sometimes caught in a no win situation where the more they force the issue the more support this individual seems to receive. Now that person is not the only one fleecing the system, but something has to be done to get these parasites who never want to contribute to the society we live in back in the fold, the only thing I could suggest is to relocate these people to a part of the country where that way of existence would be permissible and let the freed up accommodation be used by others. faatmaan
  • Score: 1

8:10pm Sun 23 Feb 14

mrwoo says...

John Trollston wrote:
Yes there are jobs out there, not enough but and lets get one thing straight here not all benefits claimants are lazy, scroungers this stigmata is promoted by heavily edited television programs for sick entertainment.

Poverty rates are rising at an alarming level.
Here is what a job seeker faces in todays employment market.

Economic migrants in Swindon there are numerous companies that at the shop floor level(unskilled) the workforce is 90% economic migrants they are preferred in some cased over there UK job seeker.

Zero contracts these contracts are nothing more than exploitation.
Employers advertising jobs in the UK around the EU.

decrease in the proportion of mid-ranking jobs in the labour mark.
The number of unemployed people per vacancy.

A rise in part time work as persons cannot find fulltime work
A massive rise in unemployment for the under 25s.

The UK is still deep in recession
(source office for national statistics)

Persons are willing to work and most will take anything as with graduate and youth unemployment its not about waiting for the right job its about experience.

The persons claiming JSA in the overall benefits system is very very small % as stated these sanctions are punishing people for a highly competitive jobs market 99% of persons claiming JSA WANT TO WORK some posters here refuse to except the simple fact its hard to get a job in 2014.
The UK is not in deep recession, shallow recession, upmyarse recession or any other bloody type of recession you psuedo intellectual tw*t!

Don't make up facts to suit your lefty views!

Mt thicky Trollston
[quote][p][bold]John Trollston[/bold] wrote: Yes there are jobs out there, not enough but and lets get one thing straight here not all benefits claimants are lazy, scroungers this stigmata is promoted by heavily edited television programs for sick entertainment. Poverty rates are rising at an alarming level. Here is what a job seeker faces in todays employment market. Economic migrants in Swindon there are numerous companies that at the shop floor level(unskilled) the workforce is 90% economic migrants they are preferred in some cased over there UK job seeker. Zero contracts these contracts are nothing more than exploitation. Employers advertising jobs in the UK around the EU. decrease in the proportion of mid-ranking jobs in the labour mark. The number of unemployed people per vacancy. A rise in part time work as persons cannot find fulltime work A massive rise in unemployment for the under 25s. The UK is still deep in recession (source office for national statistics) Persons are willing to work and most will take anything as with graduate and youth unemployment its not about waiting for the right job its about experience. The persons claiming JSA in the overall benefits system is very very small % as stated these sanctions are punishing people for a highly competitive jobs market 99% of persons claiming JSA WANT TO WORK some posters here refuse to except the simple fact its hard to get a job in 2014.[/p][/quote]The UK is not in deep recession, shallow recession, upmyarse recession or any other bloody type of recession you psuedo intellectual tw*t! Don't make up facts to suit your lefty views! Mt thicky Trollston mrwoo
  • Score: 1

7:42am Mon 24 Feb 14

ChannelX says...


The UK is still deep in recession
(source office for national statistics)


The UK hasn't been in recession for around 2 years now. Your 'source' is either out of date or not applying the correct definition for 'recession'.
[quote] The UK is still deep in recession (source office for national statistics) [/quote] The UK hasn't been in recession for around 2 years now. Your 'source' is either out of date or not applying the correct definition for 'recession'. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

8:20am Mon 24 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

We may not be in recession but we still have a massive debt to pay off. We cant turn the taps on again just yet, there is still a lot of sorting out to do before we start to spend money again or we will just be bcak where we started 4 years ago
We may not be in recession but we still have a massive debt to pay off. We cant turn the taps on again just yet, there is still a lot of sorting out to do before we start to spend money again or we will just be bcak where we started 4 years ago house on the hill
  • Score: 3

8:25pm Mon 24 Feb 14

John Trollston says...

ChannelX wrote:

The UK is still deep in recession
(source office for national statistics)


The UK hasn't been in recession for around 2 years now. Your 'source' is either out of date or not applying the correct definition for 'recession'.
the Microeconomics involved in calculating GDP ·is neither here nor there These are the facts not a claimed 0.7% growth in GDP so we are not in a recession.

We have a cost of living crisis and gross inequality, the working population is getting poorer as wages are failing and living standards sounds like a recession looks like a recession not called a recession!

Since 1979, 22p of every extra pound earned has gone into the pockets of the best paid 1%.

Hardship is now a way of any person who posts here saying otherwise is grossly ignorant and a fool or in the 1% and I say the former not the later.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] The UK is still deep in recession (source office for national statistics) [/quote] The UK hasn't been in recession for around 2 years now. Your 'source' is either out of date or not applying the correct definition for 'recession'.[/p][/quote]the Microeconomics involved in calculating GDP ·is neither here nor there These are the facts not a claimed 0.7% growth in GDP so we are not in a recession. We have a cost of living crisis and gross inequality, the working population is getting poorer as wages are failing and living standards sounds like a recession looks like a recession not called a recession! Since 1979, 22p of every extra pound earned has gone into the pockets of the best paid 1%. Hardship is now a way of any person who posts here saying otherwise is grossly ignorant and a fool or in the 1% and I say the former not the later. John Trollston
  • Score: 0

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