Tenants criticise housing rent rise blamed on heavy rain

Tenants are concerned by the upcoming council rents rise

Tenants are concerned by the upcoming council rents rise

First published in News Swindon Advertiser: Photograph of the Author by , @Michael_Benke

A SWINDON tenants group has expressed disappointment that council housing rent levels will rise above inflation.

Rents for the next financial year are due to go up by an average of 3.7 per cent, which amounts to around £2.82 a week – 0.5 per cent above inflation.

Council leaders said the increase is to help towards the large amount of upgrades and repairs which need to be carried out across the housing stock.

The winter weather was a major contributing factor to the hike as it led to three times as many call outs for repairs compared with the previous year.

A consultation with housing groups and officers was carried out beforehand, with tenants asking for the rise to be no more than 3.2 per cent.

Martin Wicks, secretary of the Swindon Tenants’ Campaign Group, said several group members were spoken to but their requests were not addressed.

He said: “We asked for the rise to be kept in line with inflation so we are obviously a bit disappointed. Over the last five years we have often seen increases above inflation.

“It’s in contrast to their approach on council tax which they have kept frozen for the last four years, yet they don’t seem to take into account the financial concerns of the tenants and the impact this rise will have on them.”

The extra 0.5 per cent, putting the average weekly rent at £79.23, will add an additional £200,000 to the overall income received from rent.

“I don’t think this will make too much of a dent in the account,” said Martin.

“The housing revenue account is in a good condition so we don’t think it was a necessary rise.

“Of course we want the housing to be maintained in a good state but we don’t feel this will be a sufficient amount.

“Some of our members were consulted prior to the rise and I think it’s a shame the council did not take into account their views.”

As well as repairs there is a programme to refit many of the older kitchens and bathrooms in the housing stock. Each bathroom costs the council £3,250 and each kitchen costs £5,250. There are almost 8,000 bathrooms which are still in line for work and 5,400 kitchens.

Coun Richard Hurley (Con, Covingham and Dorcan), cabinet member for housing, said the decision to put rents up by the extra amount was taken reluctantly and influenced by the heavy winter rain.

He said: “No-one wants the increase but unfortunately we were left with little choice.

“If the weather had not been so bad then possibly it would have stayed at 3.2 per cent.

“If we did not put the increase in then we would constantly be falling behind with repairs. Some of the housing stock is not in a very good state and is in urgent need of upgrading, with new kitchens and bathrooms.

“Some authorities are increasing by between five and six per cent, so what we are doing in Swindon is no different to anywhere else. It’s something which needs to be done.”

Comments (47)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

6:44am Thu 27 Feb 14

swindondad says...

Please can this story be put into perspective?

Even with this (modest IMHO) rise the average rent (so that everything from one bed flats to 3-4 bed houses) charged by the council will still be less than £80 pw.

There are ZERO self contained properties in the private sector at this low cost. In fact you can’t even be to choosy as to where you rent a room in a shared house at that money.
Please can this story be put into perspective? Even with this (modest IMHO) rise the average rent (so that everything from one bed flats to 3-4 bed houses) charged by the council will still be less than £80 pw. There are ZERO self contained properties in the private sector at this low cost. In fact you can’t even be to choosy as to where you rent a room in a shared house at that money. swindondad
  • Score: 11

7:33am Thu 27 Feb 14

Teignmouth says...

£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families. Teignmouth
  • Score: 4

7:52am Thu 27 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
[quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings! house on the hill
  • Score: 20

8:00am Thu 27 Feb 14

EastleazeRed says...

Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .
Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself . EastleazeRed
  • Score: 17

8:09am Thu 27 Feb 14

Localboy86 says...

Should be made harder to get a council house, why should people I grew up with get massively discounted rent when they could afford to rent privately or buy. It ridiculous that I am funding people who could potentially earn more than me? Crazy! All council houses should be on rolling 6 month contracts and as soon as you can afford to rent privately, your out the door and that should be assessed before you have had chance to waste your pay cheque!
Should be made harder to get a council house, why should people I grew up with get massively discounted rent when they could afford to rent privately or buy. It ridiculous that I am funding people who could potentially earn more than me? Crazy! All council houses should be on rolling 6 month contracts and as soon as you can afford to rent privately, your out the door and that should be assessed before you have had chance to waste your pay cheque! Localboy86
  • Score: 10

8:32am Thu 27 Feb 14

swindondad says...

Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
I did not claim that all council rents where £80 pw.
Do you not know what the word AVERAGE means?

At £170 pw you are about the same price for the cheapest privately rented 4 beds I could see in Swindon, So yes I can see and understand that costs are going up faster than average (that word again) wages but why should those in social housing be protected from that reality when the rest of the population aren’t?
[quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]I did not claim that all council rents where £80 pw. Do you not know what the word AVERAGE means? At £170 pw you are about the same price for the cheapest privately rented 4 beds I could see in Swindon, So yes I can see and understand that costs are going up faster than average (that word again) wages but why should those in social housing be protected from that reality when the rest of the population aren’t? swindondad
  • Score: 10

8:57am Thu 27 Feb 14

Localboy86 says...

swindondad wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
I did not claim that all council rents where £80 pw.
Do you not know what the word AVERAGE means?

At £170 pw you are about the same price for the cheapest privately rented 4 beds I could see in Swindon, So yes I can see and understand that costs are going up faster than average (that word again) wages but why should those in social housing be protected from that reality when the rest of the population aren’t?
But if my landlord increased my rent and I couldn't afford to pay it, I would have to move to a cheaper, potentially smaller property, why shouldn't council tenants be in the same boat as me?
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]I did not claim that all council rents where £80 pw. Do you not know what the word AVERAGE means? At £170 pw you are about the same price for the cheapest privately rented 4 beds I could see in Swindon, So yes I can see and understand that costs are going up faster than average (that word again) wages but why should those in social housing be protected from that reality when the rest of the population aren’t?[/p][/quote]But if my landlord increased my rent and I couldn't afford to pay it, I would have to move to a cheaper, potentially smaller property, why shouldn't council tenants be in the same boat as me? Localboy86
  • Score: 13

9:11am Thu 27 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

I would like a deal with the tenants, we could agree to limit the rent rise and in exchange we would pay their benefits with food and clothes stamps instead of cash.
I would like a deal with the tenants, we could agree to limit the rent rise and in exchange we would pay their benefits with food and clothes stamps instead of cash. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 8

9:33am Thu 27 Feb 14

Teignmouth says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .
Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning!
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .[/p][/quote]Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning! Teignmouth
  • Score: -14

9:34am Thu 27 Feb 14

Teignmouth says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
I would like a deal with the tenants, we could agree to limit the rent rise and in exchange we would pay their benefits with food and clothes stamps instead of cash.
What are talking about? Dick
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: I would like a deal with the tenants, we could agree to limit the rent rise and in exchange we would pay their benefits with food and clothes stamps instead of cash.[/p][/quote]What are talking about? Dick Teignmouth
  • Score: -17

9:35am Thu 27 Feb 14

Teignmouth says...

house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings![/p][/quote]lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses. Teignmouth
  • Score: 6

9:38am Thu 27 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Teignmouth wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
I would like a deal with the tenants, we could agree to limit the rent rise and in exchange we would pay their benefits with food and clothes stamps instead of cash.
What are talking about? Dick
That is what I thought.
[quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: I would like a deal with the tenants, we could agree to limit the rent rise and in exchange we would pay their benefits with food and clothes stamps instead of cash.[/p][/quote]What are talking about? Dick[/p][/quote]That is what I thought. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 4

9:39am Thu 27 Feb 14

Teignmouth says...

house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings![/p][/quote]lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses. Teignmouth
  • Score: 0

9:39am Thu 27 Feb 14

swindondad says...

Teignmouth wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .
Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning!
Having just taken out a new fixed rate deal can I just say that rate are actually better now than they were 3 years ago :),

Yes interest rate can go up (I remember struggling when they were 14%) but there are lots of great fixed rates out there for the credit worthy.
[quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .[/p][/quote]Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning![/p][/quote]Having just taken out a new fixed rate deal can I just say that rate are actually better now than they were 3 years ago :), Yes interest rate can go up (I remember struggling when they were 14%) but there are lots of great fixed rates out there for the credit worthy. swindondad
  • Score: 12

9:42am Thu 27 Feb 14

Localboy86 says...

Teignmouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.
Does that make sense to you, why do you get your lifestyle supplemented if you are working and could afford to rent privately? What if everyone wanted to live in a council house and pay cheaper rent?
[quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings![/p][/quote]lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.[/p][/quote]Does that make sense to you, why do you get your lifestyle supplemented if you are working and could afford to rent privately? What if everyone wanted to live in a council house and pay cheaper rent? Localboy86
  • Score: 10

9:51am Thu 27 Feb 14

EastleazeRed says...

swindondad wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .
Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning!
Having just taken out a new fixed rate deal can I just say that rate are actually better now than they were 3 years ago :),

Yes interest rate can go up (I remember struggling when they were 14%) but there are lots of great fixed rates out there for the credit worthy.
Didn't say I couldn't afford it , just saying be grateful for what have . Wish I could pay £80 pw for my 4 bed house , and have a new kitchen and bathroom fitted for free . I'd only have to work part - time .
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .[/p][/quote]Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning![/p][/quote]Having just taken out a new fixed rate deal can I just say that rate are actually better now than they were 3 years ago :), Yes interest rate can go up (I remember struggling when they were 14%) but there are lots of great fixed rates out there for the credit worthy.[/p][/quote]Didn't say I couldn't afford it , just saying be grateful for what have . Wish I could pay £80 pw for my 4 bed house , and have a new kitchen and bathroom fitted for free . I'd only have to work part - time . EastleazeRed
  • Score: 11

9:53am Thu 27 Feb 14

Davethered says...

As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon .
I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do .
In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.
As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon . I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do . In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs. Davethered
  • Score: -11

10:02am Thu 27 Feb 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Davethered wrote:
As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon .
I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do .
In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.
I certainly look down on people that resort to childish name calling to try and get their point across.
[quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon . I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do . In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.[/p][/quote]I certainly look down on people that resort to childish name calling to try and get their point across. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 21

10:03am Thu 27 Feb 14

Teignmouth says...

swindondad wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .
Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning!
Having just taken out a new fixed rate deal can I just say that rate are actually better now than they were 3 years ago :),

Yes interest rate can go up (I remember struggling when they were 14%) but there are lots of great fixed rates out there for the credit worthy.
14%? How long ago was that? Wasn't that in the 80s? Surely your mortgage is fully paid of by now then? Especially if you are credit worthy????
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .[/p][/quote]Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning![/p][/quote]Having just taken out a new fixed rate deal can I just say that rate are actually better now than they were 3 years ago :), Yes interest rate can go up (I remember struggling when they were 14%) but there are lots of great fixed rates out there for the credit worthy.[/p][/quote]14%? How long ago was that? Wasn't that in the 80s? Surely your mortgage is fully paid of by now then? Especially if you are credit worthy???? Teignmouth
  • Score: -13

10:07am Thu 27 Feb 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Davethered wrote:
As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon .
I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do .
In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.
The Tories have nothing to do with it, this is just common sense.
Social housing is a vicious circle, like other benefits it should be offered to the most desperate and only for a short time.
People should not live subsidised by the State, as it creates a false sense of security and encourage further social demands: school places, child benefits etc...
Like in the private sector, we should force tenants to share house and flats with other tenant(s)
The best way to reduce the cost of welfare is to stop reduce social housing.
[quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon . I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do . In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.[/p][/quote]The Tories have nothing to do with it, this is just common sense. Social housing is a vicious circle, like other benefits it should be offered to the most desperate and only for a short time. People should not live subsidised by the State, as it creates a false sense of security and encourage further social demands: school places, child benefits etc... Like in the private sector, we should force tenants to share house and flats with other tenant(s) The best way to reduce the cost of welfare is to stop reduce social housing. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 8

10:17am Thu 27 Feb 14

Wildwestener says...

My 21 yo son works and is single. He wanted to get his own place so has just signed a 6 month lease with a private landlord for approx. £80pw for a one bed flat. It's very nice and he's very happy though it eats up half his take home pay each month. He has zero chance of getting a Council House/Flat as he hasn't irresponsibly fathered a child or made himself homeless etc.
I do get fed up when I hear about people moaning about the rates of council rent. They want to try being a youngster doing the right thing in the world, seems you get nothing in the way of the help many of these tenants have enjoyed for decades.
My 21 yo son works and is single. He wanted to get his own place so has just signed a 6 month lease with a private landlord for approx. £80pw for a one bed flat. It's very nice and he's very happy though it eats up half his take home pay each month. He has zero chance of getting a Council House/Flat as he hasn't irresponsibly fathered a child or made himself homeless etc. I do get fed up when I hear about people moaning about the rates of council rent. They want to try being a youngster doing the right thing in the world, seems you get nothing in the way of the help many of these tenants have enjoyed for decades. Wildwestener
  • Score: 28

10:43am Thu 27 Feb 14

Davey Gravey says...

Social housing should only be going to those in need of it and unable to afford a home otherwise. The current system is open to abuse by slags who get pregnant and get free houses and those who remain in social houses when their financial position improves way beyond needing to be homed on the cheap.

Many people struggle with mortgages and high rents because without it they would be homeless yet get no help at all. How can this be right?
These are the hard working people who keep this country going.
Social housing should only be going to those in need of it and unable to afford a home otherwise. The current system is open to abuse by slags who get pregnant and get free houses and those who remain in social houses when their financial position improves way beyond needing to be homed on the cheap. Many people struggle with mortgages and high rents because without it they would be homeless yet get no help at all. How can this be right? These are the hard working people who keep this country going. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 28

11:36am Thu 27 Feb 14

Russell Holland says...

For tenants who receive housing benefit in most cases the increase in rent will be met by an increase in housing benefit.

For tenants who do not receive housing benefit they already have the benefit of rents which are significantly lower than market value. There will be some people on low incomes on whom this will be impact but they are still in a favourable position compared to private rents.

I regret that the Labour party and others who want to present any increase in rent as somehow an attack on tenants do tenants a massive disservice. Any increase in rent is used to improve the housing stock which benefits tenants. Many tenants are grateful to have a Council house and do not mind reasonable rent increases. Tenants Association for Sheltered Housing supported a 3.7% increase.

In Swindon we have disproportionate number of pre-fab schemes and sheltered schemes many of which require modernisation and this can be at disproportionate cost. This was precisely why Swindon Borough Council got permission to have a vote on transfer.

It should also be kept in mind that Swindon Labour and Martin Wicks both spoke out against a proposal to create a special fund to assist tenants in hardship see
http://www.swindonad
vertiser.co.uk/news/
10353294.Bedroom_tax
_fund_created/

In Swindon fixed term tenancies are being created which are designed to ensure that housing is more favourably matched to need - again opposed by Labour.
For tenants who receive housing benefit in most cases the increase in rent will be met by an increase in housing benefit. For tenants who do not receive housing benefit they already have the benefit of rents which are significantly lower than market value. There will be some people on low incomes on whom this will be impact but they are still in a favourable position compared to private rents. I regret that the Labour party and others who want to present any increase in rent as somehow an attack on tenants do tenants a massive disservice. Any increase in rent is used to improve the housing stock which benefits tenants. Many tenants are grateful to have a Council house and do not mind reasonable rent increases. Tenants Association for Sheltered Housing supported a 3.7% increase. In Swindon we have disproportionate number of pre-fab schemes and sheltered schemes many of which require modernisation and this can be at disproportionate cost. This was precisely why Swindon Borough Council got permission to have a vote on transfer. It should also be kept in mind that Swindon Labour and Martin Wicks both spoke out against a proposal to create a special fund to assist tenants in hardship see http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/news/ 10353294.Bedroom_tax _fund_created/ In Swindon fixed term tenancies are being created which are designed to ensure that housing is more favourably matched to need - again opposed by Labour. Russell Holland
  • Score: 11

11:49am Thu 27 Feb 14

swindondad says...

Teignmouth wrote:
swindondad wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .
Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning!
Having just taken out a new fixed rate deal can I just say that rate are actually better now than they were 3 years ago :), Yes interest rate can go up (I remember struggling when they were 14%) but there are lots of great fixed rates out there for the credit worthy.
14%? How long ago was that? Wasn't that in the 80s? Surely your mortgage is fully paid of by now then? Especially if you are credit worthy????
Try early 90’s the Bank of England base rate did not go below 10% until ’92 and variable mortgage rates were higher than that.

If I had stayed in the one bed flat that was my first home purchase then yes I would be mortgage free but as with most home owners i have used the equity I have built over the years to move on to bigger properties more suitable for raising my family.

As at each more I have looked to get the best I could afford it has meant that I have take out new loans that have extended the total number of years I will be paying mortgages back for. Still not too many years to go now.
[quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .[/p][/quote]Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning![/p][/quote]Having just taken out a new fixed rate deal can I just say that rate are actually better now than they were 3 years ago :), Yes interest rate can go up (I remember struggling when they were 14%) but there are lots of great fixed rates out there for the credit worthy.[/p][/quote]14%? How long ago was that? Wasn't that in the 80s? Surely your mortgage is fully paid of by now then? Especially if you are credit worthy????[/p][/quote]Try early 90’s the Bank of England base rate did not go below 10% until ’92 and variable mortgage rates were higher than that. If I had stayed in the one bed flat that was my first home purchase then yes I would be mortgage free but as with most home owners i have used the equity I have built over the years to move on to bigger properties more suitable for raising my family. As at each more I have looked to get the best I could afford it has meant that I have take out new loans that have extended the total number of years I will be paying mortgages back for. Still not too many years to go now. swindondad
  • Score: 15

11:50am Thu 27 Feb 14

Old Town says...

Teignmouth wrote:
swindondad wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .
Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning!
Having just taken out a new fixed rate deal can I just say that rate are actually better now than they were 3 years ago :),

Yes interest rate can go up (I remember struggling when they were 14%) but there are lots of great fixed rates out there for the credit worthy.
14%? How long ago was that? Wasn't that in the 80s? Surely your mortgage is fully paid of by now then? Especially if you are credit worthy????
Jeez -- this shows how out of touch you are with real hard working people who strive to own their own properties doesn't it ?

Most people buy a house, then as their families grow they sell and buy something bigger -- therefore increasing their mortgage size and usually the term it's paid over

Unfortunately people like you seem to think it's fine for people like me to subsidise your lifestyle choices through your benefits (and YES your cheap rent IS a benefit paid for by other people in the private sector)

What about getting off your backside and looking after yourself - oh no that's too much like hard work isn't it !
[quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Stop bloody moaning ! You wanna try paying a mortgage every month , if I want a new bathroom or kitchen I gotta pay for it myself .[/p][/quote]Shouldn't of taken a mortgage out then should you? If you cannot pay at the current interest rates, wait until the governement stop propping up the mortgage rates, then we're see you moaning![/p][/quote]Having just taken out a new fixed rate deal can I just say that rate are actually better now than they were 3 years ago :), Yes interest rate can go up (I remember struggling when they were 14%) but there are lots of great fixed rates out there for the credit worthy.[/p][/quote]14%? How long ago was that? Wasn't that in the 80s? Surely your mortgage is fully paid of by now then? Especially if you are credit worthy????[/p][/quote]Jeez -- this shows how out of touch you are with real hard working people who strive to own their own properties doesn't it ? Most people buy a house, then as their families grow they sell and buy something bigger -- therefore increasing their mortgage size and usually the term it's paid over Unfortunately people like you seem to think it's fine for people like me to subsidise your lifestyle choices through your benefits (and YES your cheap rent IS a benefit paid for by other people in the private sector) What about getting off your backside and looking after yourself - oh no that's too much like hard work isn't it ! Old Town
  • Score: 9

12:10pm Thu 27 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

Teignmouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.
Sorry that is not the case, council houses are not for those with good incomes just because they have chosen to have a family. They are for those in genuine hardship through no fault of their own. If you can afford £170 a week for rent you would not get a council house if you applied now and nor should you. Why should others pay for your lifestyle choices. Typical "I'm all right jack" of today's smug "you cant chuck me out of my cheap council house" society, if you cant afford to have a family then don't have one! I am well aware I am speaking to deaf ears as you clearly dont care about anyone but yourself!
[quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings![/p][/quote]lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.[/p][/quote]Sorry that is not the case, council houses are not for those with good incomes just because they have chosen to have a family. They are for those in genuine hardship through no fault of their own. If you can afford £170 a week for rent you would not get a council house if you applied now and nor should you. Why should others pay for your lifestyle choices. Typical "I'm all right jack" of today's smug "you cant chuck me out of my cheap council house" society, if you cant afford to have a family then don't have one! I am well aware I am speaking to deaf ears as you clearly dont care about anyone but yourself! house on the hill
  • Score: 9

12:13pm Thu 27 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

Localboy86 wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.
Does that make sense to you, why do you get your lifestyle supplemented if you are working and could afford to rent privately? What if everyone wanted to live in a council house and pay cheaper rent?
Absolutely right, I bet there are thousands in Swindon who would give their right arm to be paying council house rents for their homes. Why should only some have the option and not others? A grossly unfair and unsustainable system way too open to abuse that is going to have a long overdue overhaul.
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings![/p][/quote]lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.[/p][/quote]Does that make sense to you, why do you get your lifestyle supplemented if you are working and could afford to rent privately? What if everyone wanted to live in a council house and pay cheaper rent?[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, I bet there are thousands in Swindon who would give their right arm to be paying council house rents for their homes. Why should only some have the option and not others? A grossly unfair and unsustainable system way too open to abuse that is going to have a long overdue overhaul. house on the hill
  • Score: 9

12:17pm Thu 27 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

Davethered wrote:
As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon .
I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do .
In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.
They dont look down on them, they just see the gross unfairness and unsustainability of the whole system. Why should someone on £50k a year have a cheap council house? Relying on the state makes people weak and lazy, why should you not be expected to look after yourself? Why should other people work to pay for your lifestyle? I have no problem with those in clear and real need having all the support they deserve, I just have no time for people who think others should subsidise their life choices.
[quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon . I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do . In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.[/p][/quote]They dont look down on them, they just see the gross unfairness and unsustainability of the whole system. Why should someone on £50k a year have a cheap council house? Relying on the state makes people weak and lazy, why should you not be expected to look after yourself? Why should other people work to pay for your lifestyle? I have no problem with those in clear and real need having all the support they deserve, I just have no time for people who think others should subsidise their life choices. house on the hill
  • Score: 12

12:31pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Teignmouth says...

house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.
Sorry that is not the case, council houses are not for those with good incomes just because they have chosen to have a family. They are for those in genuine hardship through no fault of their own. If you can afford £170 a week for rent you would not get a council house if you applied now and nor should you. Why should others pay for your lifestyle choices. Typical "I'm all right jack" of today's smug "you cant chuck me out of my cheap council house" society, if you cant afford to have a family then don't have one! I am well aware I am speaking to deaf ears as you clearly dont care about anyone but yourself!
What are you talking about?

Take a look at the 4 bed houses on Swindon Homebid, to qualify for a £170 rent you have to be working?????? Just get your facts right and stop spouting rubbish.

I would qualify, council homes were created for hard working families, that's what we are, we don't claim welfare, we work, we pay our rent, feed our kids, and don't claim a single penny in any of the benefits, so what you are saying is I should move out, let a family non working move in??????

You don't make any sense at all, council houses are not just for the unemployed, they are for working people, there are thousands of people without families who rent flats, who go to work. I waited 8 years on the waiting list paying private rents, anyone can do it, you just have to wait your tern. We did and yes, I am all right Jack, I did things how they are supposed to be done, but I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years like many, so it does seem unfair, the cost of energy bills etc, it all adds up.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings![/p][/quote]lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.[/p][/quote]Sorry that is not the case, council houses are not for those with good incomes just because they have chosen to have a family. They are for those in genuine hardship through no fault of their own. If you can afford £170 a week for rent you would not get a council house if you applied now and nor should you. Why should others pay for your lifestyle choices. Typical "I'm all right jack" of today's smug "you cant chuck me out of my cheap council house" society, if you cant afford to have a family then don't have one! I am well aware I am speaking to deaf ears as you clearly dont care about anyone but yourself![/p][/quote]What are you talking about? Take a look at the 4 bed houses on Swindon Homebid, to qualify for a £170 rent you have to be working?????? Just get your facts right and stop spouting rubbish. I would qualify, council homes were created for hard working families, that's what we are, we don't claim welfare, we work, we pay our rent, feed our kids, and don't claim a single penny in any of the benefits, so what you are saying is I should move out, let a family non working move in?????? You don't make any sense at all, council houses are not just for the unemployed, they are for working people, there are thousands of people without families who rent flats, who go to work. I waited 8 years on the waiting list paying private rents, anyone can do it, you just have to wait your tern. We did and yes, I am all right Jack, I did things how they are supposed to be done, but I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years like many, so it does seem unfair, the cost of energy bills etc, it all adds up. Teignmouth
  • Score: -3

12:39pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Hmmmf says...

Martin Wicks said:
Of course we want the housing to be maintained in a good state but we don’t feel this will be a sufficient amount.

Better raise the rent some more then, so there is a sufficient amount for the maintenance you want.
[quote][p][bold]Martin Wicks[/bold] said: Of course we want the housing to be maintained in a good state but we don’t feel this will be a sufficient amount.[/quote] Better raise the rent some more then, so there is a sufficient amount for the maintenance you want. Hmmmf
  • Score: 5

12:42pm Thu 27 Feb 14

benzss says...

Davethered wrote:
As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon .
I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do .
In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.
I suppose there are still embers of the old liberalism, where people would prefer not to be dependent on the government.
[quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon . I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do . In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.[/p][/quote]I suppose there are still embers of the old liberalism, where people would prefer not to be dependent on the government. benzss
  • Score: 4

1:01pm Thu 27 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

The 'higher' average weekly rent at £79.23 does seem very cheap.

Interesting how the likes of Martin Wicks, and others, consider £400,000 an absolutely enormous amount of one minute and then talk about £200,000 as if it were almost inconsequential.

Seems entirely fair that those already afforded privileged cheap rent should be required to pay a couple of pounds a month more towards the cost of the rest of us subsidising their housing and maintenance on those properties.
The 'higher' average weekly rent at £79.23 does seem very cheap. Interesting how the likes of Martin Wicks, and others, consider £400,000 an absolutely enormous amount of one minute and then talk about £200,000 as if it were almost inconsequential. Seems entirely fair that those already afforded privileged cheap rent should be required to pay a couple of pounds a month more towards the cost of the rest of us subsidising their housing and maintenance on those properties. ChannelX
  • Score: 4

1:04pm Thu 27 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

Davethered wrote:
As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon .
I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do .
In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.
I don't think too many people 'look down on' those in council houses.

But people who are funding the housing for other people do get a little bit annoyed when the people they're paying for show such obnoxious ingratitude and respond to the free money with nothing but abuse.
[quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon . I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do . In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.[/p][/quote]I don't think too many people 'look down on' those in council houses. But people who are funding the housing for other people do get a little bit annoyed when the people they're paying for show such obnoxious ingratitude and respond to the free money with nothing but abuse. ChannelX
  • Score: 7

1:11pm Thu 27 Feb 14

swindondad says...

As suggested I had a look at the swindonhomebid site and you can apply if you are working but NOT

“Those households that have sufficient income to afford a suitable property on the open market”

This seems fair to me, I have no objection in my tax’s going to help the “working poor” (I do not like the term but can’t think of a better one) but when “left wing loonies” such as Bob Crow (the union leader on over £140,000 pa) refuse to move out of “their” (our) council house it make my blood boil.

http://www.swindonho
mebid.org.uk/Data/Pu
b/StreamTemp/o3lje3h
x.pdf
As suggested I had a look at the swindonhomebid site and you can apply if you are working but NOT “Those households that have sufficient income to afford a suitable property on the open market” This seems fair to me, I have no objection in my tax’s going to help the “working poor” (I do not like the term but can’t think of a better one) but when “left wing loonies” such as Bob Crow (the union leader on over £140,000 pa) refuse to move out of “their” (our) council house it make my blood boil. http://www.swindonho mebid.org.uk/Data/Pu b/StreamTemp/o3lje3h x.pdf swindondad
  • Score: 11

1:14pm Thu 27 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

Teignmouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.
Sorry that is not the case, council houses are not for those with good incomes just because they have chosen to have a family. They are for those in genuine hardship through no fault of their own. If you can afford £170 a week for rent you would not get a council house if you applied now and nor should you. Why should others pay for your lifestyle choices. Typical "I'm all right jack" of today's smug "you cant chuck me out of my cheap council house" society, if you cant afford to have a family then don't have one! I am well aware I am speaking to deaf ears as you clearly dont care about anyone but yourself!
What are you talking about?

Take a look at the 4 bed houses on Swindon Homebid, to qualify for a £170 rent you have to be working?????? Just get your facts right and stop spouting rubbish.

I would qualify, council homes were created for hard working families, that's what we are, we don't claim welfare, we work, we pay our rent, feed our kids, and don't claim a single penny in any of the benefits, so what you are saying is I should move out, let a family non working move in??????

You don't make any sense at all, council houses are not just for the unemployed, they are for working people, there are thousands of people without families who rent flats, who go to work. I waited 8 years on the waiting list paying private rents, anyone can do it, you just have to wait your tern. We did and yes, I am all right Jack, I did things how they are supposed to be done, but I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years like many, so it does seem unfair, the cost of energy bills etc, it all adds up.
Council housing is part of the welfare state so you are receiving a "benefit" of a taxpayer subsided cheaper rent house. Why are you so arrogant as to think you should have this when so many don't? over 50% of the housing income to repair and maintain your house comes from housing benefit so yes you are receiving benefit. I am sorry I have no time for those who don't want to stand on their own two feet and expect others to help out as you have with your council house. If that's how you choose to live good luck to you!
[quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings![/p][/quote]lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.[/p][/quote]Sorry that is not the case, council houses are not for those with good incomes just because they have chosen to have a family. They are for those in genuine hardship through no fault of their own. If you can afford £170 a week for rent you would not get a council house if you applied now and nor should you. Why should others pay for your lifestyle choices. Typical "I'm all right jack" of today's smug "you cant chuck me out of my cheap council house" society, if you cant afford to have a family then don't have one! I am well aware I am speaking to deaf ears as you clearly dont care about anyone but yourself![/p][/quote]What are you talking about? Take a look at the 4 bed houses on Swindon Homebid, to qualify for a £170 rent you have to be working?????? Just get your facts right and stop spouting rubbish. I would qualify, council homes were created for hard working families, that's what we are, we don't claim welfare, we work, we pay our rent, feed our kids, and don't claim a single penny in any of the benefits, so what you are saying is I should move out, let a family non working move in?????? You don't make any sense at all, council houses are not just for the unemployed, they are for working people, there are thousands of people without families who rent flats, who go to work. I waited 8 years on the waiting list paying private rents, anyone can do it, you just have to wait your tern. We did and yes, I am all right Jack, I did things how they are supposed to be done, but I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years like many, so it does seem unfair, the cost of energy bills etc, it all adds up.[/p][/quote]Council housing is part of the welfare state so you are receiving a "benefit" of a taxpayer subsided cheaper rent house. Why are you so arrogant as to think you should have this when so many don't? over 50% of the housing income to repair and maintain your house comes from housing benefit so yes you are receiving benefit. I am sorry I have no time for those who don't want to stand on their own two feet and expect others to help out as you have with your council house. If that's how you choose to live good luck to you! house on the hill
  • Score: 5

1:17pm Thu 27 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

swindondad wrote:
As suggested I had a look at the swindonhomebid site and you can apply if you are working but NOT

“Those households that have sufficient income to afford a suitable property on the open market”

This seems fair to me, I have no objection in my tax’s going to help the “working poor” (I do not like the term but can’t think of a better one) but when “left wing loonies” such as Bob Crow (the union leader on over £140,000 pa) refuse to move out of “their” (our) council house it make my blood boil.

http://www.swindonho

mebid.org.uk/Data/Pu

b/StreamTemp/o3lje3h

x.pdf
It's far from just dear old Bob Crow. There are countless people who choose/demand to remain in council housing, having the rest of us pay to keep their accommodation costs artificially low, when at the same time they are more than capable of affording private accommodation.

These are people with dual incomes, decent pensions - often lucrative public sector pensions - and those who have either found higher salaries or have otherwise improved their income over the years.

They do NOT care about 'poor' people. They do NOT even care about some faux-political ideology. All they care about is keeping their money to themselves while sneering at the rest of us who are forced to pay the difference for them.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: As suggested I had a look at the swindonhomebid site and you can apply if you are working but NOT “Those households that have sufficient income to afford a suitable property on the open market” This seems fair to me, I have no objection in my tax’s going to help the “working poor” (I do not like the term but can’t think of a better one) but when “left wing loonies” such as Bob Crow (the union leader on over £140,000 pa) refuse to move out of “their” (our) council house it make my blood boil. http://www.swindonho mebid.org.uk/Data/Pu b/StreamTemp/o3lje3h x.pdf[/p][/quote]It's far from just dear old Bob Crow. There are countless people who choose/demand to remain in council housing, having the rest of us pay to keep their accommodation costs artificially low, when at the same time they are more than capable of affording private accommodation. These are people with dual incomes, decent pensions - often lucrative public sector pensions - and those who have either found higher salaries or have otherwise improved their income over the years. They do NOT care about 'poor' people. They do NOT even care about some faux-political ideology. All they care about is keeping their money to themselves while sneering at the rest of us who are forced to pay the difference for them. ChannelX
  • Score: 7

1:56pm Thu 27 Feb 14

nigelej says...

Localboy86 wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.
Does that make sense to you, why do you get your lifestyle supplemented if you are working and could afford to rent privately? What if everyone wanted to live in a council house and pay cheaper rent?
Many years ago most people did live in a council house .unfortunately to many people forget that . It's also worth remembering if your in private accommodation and you need housing benefit your getting a lot more help than those in social housing .i think we have become a cruel society where we have the have and the have nots .personally I don't care what anyone as for most life is a choice for some there is no choice .
[quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings![/p][/quote]lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.[/p][/quote]Does that make sense to you, why do you get your lifestyle supplemented if you are working and could afford to rent privately? What if everyone wanted to live in a council house and pay cheaper rent?[/p][/quote]Many years ago most people did live in a council house .unfortunately to many people forget that . It's also worth remembering if your in private accommodation and you need housing benefit your getting a lot more help than those in social housing .i think we have become a cruel society where we have the have and the have nots .personally I don't care what anyone as for most life is a choice for some there is no choice . nigelej
  • Score: 4

2:02pm Thu 27 Feb 14

nigelej says...

ChannelX wrote:
Davethered wrote:
As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon .
I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do .
In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.
I don't think too many people 'look down on' those in council houses.

But people who are funding the housing for other people do get a little bit annoyed when the people they're paying for show such obnoxious ingratitude and respond to the free money with nothing but abuse.
If your living in private or even buying and you fall on hard times through no trails of your own you can get the same help from the benefits system in fact would probably get more .
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon . I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do . In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.[/p][/quote]I don't think too many people 'look down on' those in council houses. But people who are funding the housing for other people do get a little bit annoyed when the people they're paying for show such obnoxious ingratitude and respond to the free money with nothing but abuse.[/p][/quote]If your living in private or even buying and you fall on hard times through no trails of your own you can get the same help from the benefits system in fact would probably get more . nigelej
  • Score: -2

2:20pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Always Grumpy says...

nigelej wrote:
Localboy86 wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.
Does that make sense to you, why do you get your lifestyle supplemented if you are working and could afford to rent privately? What if everyone wanted to live in a council house and pay cheaper rent?
Many years ago most people did live in a council house .unfortunately to many people forget that . It's also worth remembering if your in private accommodation and you need housing benefit your getting a lot more help than those in social housing .i think we have become a cruel society where we have the have and the have nots .personally I don't care what anyone as for most life is a choice for some there is no choice .
There's always been 'have's and have not's', nothing new there.
Not very hot on history are you - try reading history from, say, the Norman Invasion up to the present day (it might take some time) and you will see throughout that entire period there have been those with and those without food, housing, clothing, money, land etc. Don't just try and lay the blame on modern society.
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Localboy86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings![/p][/quote]lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.[/p][/quote]Does that make sense to you, why do you get your lifestyle supplemented if you are working and could afford to rent privately? What if everyone wanted to live in a council house and pay cheaper rent?[/p][/quote]Many years ago most people did live in a council house .unfortunately to many people forget that . It's also worth remembering if your in private accommodation and you need housing benefit your getting a lot more help than those in social housing .i think we have become a cruel society where we have the have and the have nots .personally I don't care what anyone as for most life is a choice for some there is no choice .[/p][/quote]There's always been 'have's and have not's', nothing new there. Not very hot on history are you - try reading history from, say, the Norman Invasion up to the present day (it might take some time) and you will see throughout that entire period there have been those with and those without food, housing, clothing, money, land etc. Don't just try and lay the blame on modern society. Always Grumpy
  • Score: 3

4:26pm Thu 27 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

ChannelX wrote:
swindondad wrote:
As suggested I had a look at the swindonhomebid site and you can apply if you are working but NOT

“Those households that have sufficient income to afford a suitable property on the open market”

This seems fair to me, I have no objection in my tax’s going to help the “working poor” (I do not like the term but can’t think of a better one) but when “left wing loonies” such as Bob Crow (the union leader on over £140,000 pa) refuse to move out of “their” (our) council house it make my blood boil.

http://www.swindonho


mebid.org.uk/Data/Pu


b/StreamTemp/o3lje3h


x.pdf
It's far from just dear old Bob Crow. There are countless people who choose/demand to remain in council housing, having the rest of us pay to keep their accommodation costs artificially low, when at the same time they are more than capable of affording private accommodation.

These are people with dual incomes, decent pensions - often lucrative public sector pensions - and those who have either found higher salaries or have otherwise improved their income over the years.

They do NOT care about 'poor' people. They do NOT even care about some faux-political ideology. All they care about is keeping their money to themselves while sneering at the rest of us who are forced to pay the difference for them.
Having worked in social housing one thing that did strike me was that most of the arrogance came from some of the tenants and the "do gooder" groups who think they have some sort of right to make others pay for their lives. There are a lot of hard working tenants and those for whom life has not been kind and I don't think anyone begrudges helping them. It is the ones who either dont need to be there any more but wont leave and free up houses for people really in need or those who knowingly play the system and stick two fingers up at society in general. We also dont have the resources to offer social housing as widely as many here think we should (and personally I don't think we should encourage people to be state dependant), so we have to make it a fair as we can within the constraints we currently have.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: As suggested I had a look at the swindonhomebid site and you can apply if you are working but NOT “Those households that have sufficient income to afford a suitable property on the open market” This seems fair to me, I have no objection in my tax’s going to help the “working poor” (I do not like the term but can’t think of a better one) but when “left wing loonies” such as Bob Crow (the union leader on over £140,000 pa) refuse to move out of “their” (our) council house it make my blood boil. http://www.swindonho mebid.org.uk/Data/Pu b/StreamTemp/o3lje3h x.pdf[/p][/quote]It's far from just dear old Bob Crow. There are countless people who choose/demand to remain in council housing, having the rest of us pay to keep their accommodation costs artificially low, when at the same time they are more than capable of affording private accommodation. These are people with dual incomes, decent pensions - often lucrative public sector pensions - and those who have either found higher salaries or have otherwise improved their income over the years. They do NOT care about 'poor' people. They do NOT even care about some faux-political ideology. All they care about is keeping their money to themselves while sneering at the rest of us who are forced to pay the difference for them.[/p][/quote]Having worked in social housing one thing that did strike me was that most of the arrogance came from some of the tenants and the "do gooder" groups who think they have some sort of right to make others pay for their lives. There are a lot of hard working tenants and those for whom life has not been kind and I don't think anyone begrudges helping them. It is the ones who either dont need to be there any more but wont leave and free up houses for people really in need or those who knowingly play the system and stick two fingers up at society in general. We also dont have the resources to offer social housing as widely as many here think we should (and personally I don't think we should encourage people to be state dependant), so we have to make it a fair as we can within the constraints we currently have. house on the hill
  • Score: 6

4:45pm Thu 27 Feb 14

ChannelX says...

nigelej wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Davethered wrote:
As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon .
I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do .
In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.
I don't think too many people 'look down on' those in council houses.

But people who are funding the housing for other people do get a little bit annoyed when the people they're paying for show such obnoxious ingratitude and respond to the free money with nothing but abuse.
If your living in private or even buying and you fall on hard times through no trails of your own you can get the same help from the benefits system in fact would probably get more .
That's largely irrelevant.

Despite the thinly veiled threats of impending doom from some quarters, the vast majority of people do NOT live in council housing and do NOT claim JSA, DSA or any of the other 'lifestyle' benefit payments.

It does not make me happy to know that something I am forced to fund, but am unlikely to ever use, is very generous.

We all face difficult situations and tough times in our lives, some of just deal with it differently than others. Life's what you make it.
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon . I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do . In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.[/p][/quote]I don't think too many people 'look down on' those in council houses. But people who are funding the housing for other people do get a little bit annoyed when the people they're paying for show such obnoxious ingratitude and respond to the free money with nothing but abuse.[/p][/quote]If your living in private or even buying and you fall on hard times through no trails of your own you can get the same help from the benefits system in fact would probably get more .[/p][/quote]That's largely irrelevant. Despite the thinly veiled threats of impending doom from some quarters, the vast majority of people do NOT live in council housing and do NOT claim JSA, DSA or any of the other 'lifestyle' benefit payments. It does not make me happy to know that something I am forced to fund, but am unlikely to ever use, is very generous. We all face difficult situations and tough times in our lives, some of just deal with it differently than others. Life's what you make it. ChannelX
  • Score: 2

5:26pm Thu 27 Feb 14

mrwoo says...

I'd like to live in George Gay gardens. mmmmmmm George!
I'd like to live in George Gay gardens. mmmmmmm George! mrwoo
  • Score: -1

6:48pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Wearenotamused says...

Rent for a 4 bed Swindon Borough Council property is around £110 a week. Housing Association rents are higher. I would be very surprised if Teignmouth is in a SBC property. If he is, he needs to query his rent pronto!
Rent for a 4 bed Swindon Borough Council property is around £110 a week. Housing Association rents are higher. I would be very surprised if Teignmouth is in a SBC property. If he is, he needs to query his rent pronto! Wearenotamused
  • Score: 0

9:31pm Thu 27 Feb 14

ChаnnelX says...

mrwoo wrote:
I'd like to live in George Gay gardens. mmmmmmm George!
Sounds perfect for you.
[quote][p][bold]mrwoo[/bold] wrote: I'd like to live in George Gay gardens. mmmmmmm George![/p][/quote]Sounds perfect for you. ChаnnelX
  • Score: -2

6:59am Fri 28 Feb 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Davethered wrote:
As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon .
I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do .
In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.
It is failed labour policies creating a legacy of debt that has turned people against each other. Once the economy turned downwards people started to take more interest in where their hard earned money was going and they don't like it,

Most people who own or are buying their own home don't look down on those renting privately or via housing associations or the council.

What people do look down on is a system that aids those who don't bother more than those that work hard and look after themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon . I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do . In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.[/p][/quote]It is failed labour policies creating a legacy of debt that has turned people against each other. Once the economy turned downwards people started to take more interest in where their hard earned money was going and they don't like it, Most people who own or are buying their own home don't look down on those renting privately or via housing associations or the council. What people do look down on is a system that aids those who don't bother more than those that work hard and look after themselves. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 5

7:06am Fri 28 Feb 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Teignmouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Teignmouth wrote:
£80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.
a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants.

The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building.

Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings!
lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.
Sorry that is not the case, council houses are not for those with good incomes just because they have chosen to have a family. They are for those in genuine hardship through no fault of their own. If you can afford £170 a week for rent you would not get a council house if you applied now and nor should you. Why should others pay for your lifestyle choices. Typical "I'm all right jack" of today's smug "you cant chuck me out of my cheap council house" society, if you cant afford to have a family then don't have one! I am well aware I am speaking to deaf ears as you clearly dont care about anyone but yourself!
What are you talking about?

Take a look at the 4 bed houses on Swindon Homebid, to qualify for a £170 rent you have to be working?????? Just get your facts right and stop spouting rubbish.

I would qualify, council homes were created for hard working families, that's what we are, we don't claim welfare, we work, we pay our rent, feed our kids, and don't claim a single penny in any of the benefits, so what you are saying is I should move out, let a family non working move in??????

You don't make any sense at all, council houses are not just for the unemployed, they are for working people, there are thousands of people without families who rent flats, who go to work. I waited 8 years on the waiting list paying private rents, anyone can do it, you just have to wait your tern. We did and yes, I am all right Jack, I did things how they are supposed to be done, but I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years like many, so it does seem unfair, the cost of energy bills etc, it all adds up.
If you don't claim a single penny in benefits, then someone in your household must be earning over 60k a year, or are you conveniently forgetting child benefit?
[quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teignmouth[/bold] wrote: £80 pw for a 4 bed house? Sorry swindondad that's not the case, I rent a 4 bed house and pay the rent in full myself, 4 bed rents range from £120 to £170 per week (yes still cheaper than the private sector) but on £170 a week rent, that's still £5.95 extra per week, when our wages haven't moved in 3 years, it pushes further squeeze on hard working families.[/p][/quote]a 4 bed house in the private sector would be over £700 a month so please enough with the "hard done by" rubbish. If you pay full rent chances are there will be more than a few thousand on the waiting list far worse off than you are . Also around 2/3rds of tenants are on full or part housing benefit so it makes no difference to them as their benefit is just increased to cover it, so we are only taking about 1/3 of tenants. The other thing council tenants also forget is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap rent then you wont get your improvements and non urgent repairs done, that is basic economics. And never forget that when the housing dept took on the debt form the Govt a couple of years ago, they had the chance to wipe off £70million of it, but chose not to by staying with the council. This costs £4million a year in capital and interest paymets on a 30 year loan that could have been used for improvements and new house building. Sorry I have no time for council tenants who moan, you live in a country with one of the best welfare systems in the world, you pay about half the going rate for your homes and you had choices to increase the amount spent on you and you turned it down. There are also far too many tenants still in council houses who dont need to be there anymore and are both subsidised for the cheap rent and also house blocking those in far more need. If you can afford £170 a week on rent the chances are if you applied for council housing now you wouldnt qualify for it on your level of income so if I were you I would count my blessings![/p][/quote]lol, council property were designed for families just like mine, they were not designed for people to live on benefits, I pay my rent and I would qualify for a council house now, more so than people on benefits, the new rules require you to be working or in a training program for many of the houses.[/p][/quote]Sorry that is not the case, council houses are not for those with good incomes just because they have chosen to have a family. They are for those in genuine hardship through no fault of their own. If you can afford £170 a week for rent you would not get a council house if you applied now and nor should you. Why should others pay for your lifestyle choices. Typical "I'm all right jack" of today's smug "you cant chuck me out of my cheap council house" society, if you cant afford to have a family then don't have one! I am well aware I am speaking to deaf ears as you clearly dont care about anyone but yourself![/p][/quote]What are you talking about? Take a look at the 4 bed houses on Swindon Homebid, to qualify for a £170 rent you have to be working?????? Just get your facts right and stop spouting rubbish. I would qualify, council homes were created for hard working families, that's what we are, we don't claim welfare, we work, we pay our rent, feed our kids, and don't claim a single penny in any of the benefits, so what you are saying is I should move out, let a family non working move in?????? You don't make any sense at all, council houses are not just for the unemployed, they are for working people, there are thousands of people without families who rent flats, who go to work. I waited 8 years on the waiting list paying private rents, anyone can do it, you just have to wait your tern. We did and yes, I am all right Jack, I did things how they are supposed to be done, but I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years like many, so it does seem unfair, the cost of energy bills etc, it all adds up.[/p][/quote]If you don't claim a single penny in benefits, then someone in your household must be earning over 60k a year, or are you conveniently forgetting child benefit? LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: -2

2:22pm Fri 28 Feb 14

house on the hill says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Davethered wrote:
As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon .
I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do .
In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.
It is failed labour policies creating a legacy of debt that has turned people against each other. Once the economy turned downwards people started to take more interest in where their hard earned money was going and they don't like it,

Most people who own or are buying their own home don't look down on those renting privately or via housing associations or the council.

What people do look down on is a system that aids those who don't bother more than those that work hard and look after themselves.
Excellent post.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: As usual a load of bigoted views from the people of Swindon . I see the Tories have succeeded in turning people against each other , as they always do . In a lot of places around the world it is normal to rent a house from the government , but in this country the snobs look down on people who don't own their own properties , Capitalist pigs.[/p][/quote]It is failed labour policies creating a legacy of debt that has turned people against each other. Once the economy turned downwards people started to take more interest in where their hard earned money was going and they don't like it, Most people who own or are buying their own home don't look down on those renting privately or via housing associations or the council. What people do look down on is a system that aids those who don't bother more than those that work hard and look after themselves.[/p][/quote]Excellent post. house on the hill
  • Score: 2

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree