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Buses only scheme set for Fleming Way

Swindon Advertiser: Buses only scheme set for Fleming Way Buses only scheme set for Fleming Way

PART of Fleming Way in Swindon town centre will be closed to traffic when the next stage of the Kimmerfields development is built.

The road will become a bus route from what used to be the Whalebridge roundabout. A bus station will be built on the road and the underpass near Debenhams will disappear as everything is brought to a single level.

Traffic will have to go down Corporation Street to get to the train station.

Concerns have been raised that it will lead to the town centre becoming more restrictive for motorists but senior councillors have said it is part of an important long-term plan to regenerate the town centre.

Coun Julian Price (Lab, Covingham and Dorcan), the shadow lead for transport, wants to see a re-think of the plans.

He believes it has been done at the request of MUSE, the developer behind the Kimmerfields development.

He said: “We are deeply concerned about new plans to effectively close off Fleming Ways for motorists, making it buses only.

“These plans have been advocated by the MUSE developers, who think that cutting off motorists from Fleming Way will be good for their future development.

“But we disagree that it will benefit the town centre.

”We think these plans could be counter-productive to the success of the town centre as it will drive motorists away from the centre of town entirely. That is why we are calling for an overall rethink in the approach that has been taken to the town centre road network and we think residents will be behind us on this.”

But their fears have been dismissed as fantasy thinking by Coun Garry Perkins (Con, Shaw), who says the Kimmerfields Development, which will eventually see business space and shops built close to the Tri-Centre, is a key project and the plans have been on the table for a number of years.

He said: “This is something which has been on the table since 2011 so it is not MUSE , but something which was agreed some time ago with no objections raised.

“We have been talking to the ward councillors to make sure that we do the right thing for local residents which is of course the right thing to do.”

“In the summertime we will apply to the court for permission to shut the road to traffic. They will then run their own consultation so the views of people who use the roads can be gathered.”

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6:47am Tue 4 Mar 14

swindondad says...

IMHO Making Fleming Way "buses only" will just increase the congestion on other town center routes whilst having no benefit to bus users.

Town Centre retailers (existing and prospective) need people to visit and the truth is most of us prefer to drive our own car rather than share a bus.

Think again.
IMHO Making Fleming Way "buses only" will just increase the congestion on other town center routes whilst having no benefit to bus users. Town Centre retailers (existing and prospective) need people to visit and the truth is most of us prefer to drive our own car rather than share a bus. Think again. swindondad
  • Score: 46

8:05am Tue 4 Mar 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

Yet another disastrous traffic scheme about to be unleashed on the people of Swindon.

This ex-Swindonian only visits to watch Town these days, and I carefully select my routes and parking options to avoid as much of the chaos inflicted on the traffic as I can.

The very thought of choosing to visit Swindon to use the shopping centre now never crosses my mind. It's too much hard work and hassle, and I feel an encumbrance rather than a desired, money-spending visitor.

So sad to see my home town become so unwelcoming.

I guess that's what the planners must have wanted, because it's been their coordinated plan for decades now.
Yet another disastrous traffic scheme about to be unleashed on the people of Swindon. This ex-Swindonian only visits to watch Town these days, and I carefully select my routes and parking options to avoid as much of the chaos inflicted on the traffic as I can. The very thought of choosing to visit Swindon to use the shopping centre now never crosses my mind. It's too much hard work and hassle, and I feel an encumbrance rather than a desired, money-spending visitor. So sad to see my home town become so unwelcoming. I guess that's what the planners must have wanted, because it's been their coordinated plan for decades now. The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: 51

8:11am Tue 4 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

swindondad wrote:
IMHO Making Fleming Way "buses only" will just increase the congestion on other town center routes whilst having no benefit to bus users.

Town Centre retailers (existing and prospective) need people to visit and the truth is most of us prefer to drive our own car rather than share a bus.

Think again.
Very good point, most of those with money to spend will prefer to use their cars (and why not, we pay enough in tax and duty to drive them). If there were efficient park and ride options as there are in other towns and cities that might be different, but the bus network is a mess here!
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: IMHO Making Fleming Way "buses only" will just increase the congestion on other town center routes whilst having no benefit to bus users. Town Centre retailers (existing and prospective) need people to visit and the truth is most of us prefer to drive our own car rather than share a bus. Think again.[/p][/quote]Very good point, most of those with money to spend will prefer to use their cars (and why not, we pay enough in tax and duty to drive them). If there were efficient park and ride options as there are in other towns and cities that might be different, but the bus network is a mess here! house on the hill
  • Score: 28

8:38am Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

I have used the public transport in Swindon for years and have never had a problem with it when travelling within the town some of the out of town routes can sometimes have issues but that is to be expected when much of the roads are single track.

Most major towns and cities are pedestrianized which has improved retail experience`s and improved the look of the area.
I can understand if you are food shopping you may want to park as close as possible but you have a trolly so does it matter that much?

Free parking when you have bought something like the out let village?
There is very little in the town center which has been the reason why people dont want to shop there why would you when Bath and Bristol are so close.
Making part of Fleming way buses only will not solve these problems the developer has stated that there will be business sites, brilliant more greggs and poundshops developing the town is great and I really want to see it thrive again but business sites in the town center are empty and have been for some time why are more being made?
Business needs a reason to come to the town a relaxed shopping experience or top brands that will attract people but we dont we have crowded loud sports shops and cheap nasty food cheap cheap cheap take a look at what does well in the town either focus on that and we will become a bargain basement town that is only waiting to die or move to an actual retail experience different brands various products rent incentives to take longer leases on????
No that wont do far better to take as much money as possible from existing businesses until they bust. The idea that another one will come along is a deluded one.
I have used the public transport in Swindon for years and have never had a problem with it when travelling within the town some of the out of town routes can sometimes have issues but that is to be expected when much of the roads are single track. Most major towns and cities are pedestrianized which has improved retail experience`s and improved the look of the area. I can understand if you are food shopping you may want to park as close as possible but you have a trolly so does it matter that much? Free parking when you have bought something like the out let village? There is very little in the town center which has been the reason why people dont want to shop there why would you when Bath and Bristol are so close. Making part of Fleming way buses only will not solve these problems the developer has stated that there will be business sites, brilliant more greggs and poundshops developing the town is great and I really want to see it thrive again but business sites in the town center are empty and have been for some time why are more being made? Business needs a reason to come to the town a relaxed shopping experience or top brands that will attract people but we dont we have crowded loud sports shops and cheap nasty food cheap cheap cheap take a look at what does well in the town either focus on that and we will become a bargain basement town that is only waiting to die or move to an actual retail experience different brands various products rent incentives to take longer leases on???? No that wont do far better to take as much money as possible from existing businesses until they bust. The idea that another one will come along is a deluded one. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 5

8:45am Tue 4 Mar 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Out of Town shopping Malls have a great future :-)
Out of Town shopping Malls have a great future :-) A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 29

9:05am Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Even more reason, not that it's needed, to head to Bristol, Reading, Oxford and Bath for the far superior and more pleasant shopping experience.
Even more reason, not that it's needed, to head to Bristol, Reading, Oxford and Bath for the far superior and more pleasant shopping experience. ChannelX
  • Score: 30

9:13am Tue 4 Mar 14

Al Smith says...

Well, well, well, I wonder what some of the pro-car and pro-conservative types have got to say to that?
Well, well, well, I wonder what some of the pro-car and pro-conservative types have got to say to that? Al Smith
  • Score: -35

9:19am Tue 4 Mar 14

nobody says...

If they mean the bus lane from Whalebridge towards Debenhams then it will cause big problems.
The traffic which currently uses the newly resurfaced road past the new car park which joins Fleming Way will have to go via the new Morrisons, Cromby Street and Curtis Street to get to Faringdon Road or up VIctoria hill to Bath Road.
If they mean the bus lane from Whalebridge towards Debenhams then it will cause big problems. The traffic which currently uses the newly resurfaced road past the new car park which joins Fleming Way will have to go via the new Morrisons, Cromby Street and Curtis Street to get to Faringdon Road or up VIctoria hill to Bath Road. nobody
  • Score: 16

9:20am Tue 4 Mar 14

Davethered says...

We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.
We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice. Davethered
  • Score: 35

9:23am Tue 4 Mar 14

Happygurl says...

I have always wondered what qualifications or experience councilors who plan or co-ordinate our developments like Gary Perkins have.
I have always wondered what qualifications or experience councilors who plan or co-ordinate our developments like Gary Perkins have. Happygurl
  • Score: 21

9:28am Tue 4 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion.
Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?
Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion. Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them? stfcdod
  • Score: 42

9:37am Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Davethered wrote:
We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.
If the town center had more police and a regular park and ride service would you then use it?
the town is not right but general consensus is just shop elsewhere...and let the town die?
[quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.[/p][/quote]If the town center had more police and a regular park and ride service would you then use it? the town is not right but general consensus is just shop elsewhere...and let the town die? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 7

9:43am Tue 4 Mar 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Davethered wrote:
We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.
If the town center had more police and a regular park and ride service would you then use it?
the town is not right but general consensus is just shop elsewhere...and let the town die?
Sadly I don't think I'm letting the town die by not shopping there. The town is committing suicide.

If I want to visit a pound shop, pawn my gold watch or go to a bookies, Swindon is just the place.

But I don't.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.[/p][/quote]If the town center had more police and a regular park and ride service would you then use it? the town is not right but general consensus is just shop elsewhere...and let the town die?[/p][/quote]Sadly I don't think I'm letting the town die by not shopping there. The town is committing suicide. If I want to visit a pound shop, pawn my gold watch or go to a bookies, Swindon is just the place. But I don't. The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: 47

9:51am Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

stfcdod wrote:
Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion.
Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?
Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it.

The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way?

Fleming way as a bus station?
Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion. Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?[/p][/quote]Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it. The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way? Fleming way as a bus station? Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

10:07am Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Davethered wrote:
We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.
If the town center had more police and a regular park and ride service would you then use it?
the town is not right but general consensus is just shop elsewhere...and let the town die?
Sadly I don't think I'm letting the town die by not shopping there. The town is committing suicide.

If I want to visit a pound shop, pawn my gold watch or go to a bookies, Swindon is just the place.

But I don't.
So the issue is what is in the town?
Choice of shops etc?

You personally no I doubt your shopping else where will close the center attitudes are contagious.
I completely agree that the choice of what is in the town is awful no more labels just out let bargains and tack.
Business will only go to where it is profitable we get the town center that people spend money in this situation has not happened over night and maybe just maybe making the area nicer to sit in and spend time in will improve the area?

Other than the new developments at the bottom of town it is an eye sore why would you want to be anywhere near it will this be part of a pedestrianized area?
May I ask where in Bristol you shop? Broadmead, Cribbs etc??
[quote][p][bold]The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.[/p][/quote]If the town center had more police and a regular park and ride service would you then use it? the town is not right but general consensus is just shop elsewhere...and let the town die?[/p][/quote]Sadly I don't think I'm letting the town die by not shopping there. The town is committing suicide. If I want to visit a pound shop, pawn my gold watch or go to a bookies, Swindon is just the place. But I don't.[/p][/quote]So the issue is what is in the town? Choice of shops etc? You personally no I doubt your shopping else where will close the center attitudes are contagious. I completely agree that the choice of what is in the town is awful no more labels just out let bargains and tack. Business will only go to where it is profitable we get the town center that people spend money in this situation has not happened over night and maybe just maybe making the area nicer to sit in and spend time in will improve the area? Other than the new developments at the bottom of town it is an eye sore why would you want to be anywhere near it will this be part of a pedestrianized area? May I ask where in Bristol you shop? Broadmead, Cribbs etc?? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

10:18am Tue 4 Mar 14

Davey Gravey says...

The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though.
I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.
The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though. I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -26

10:23am Tue 4 Mar 14

Wildwestener says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though.
I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.
Don't be daft, the way things are going, no one will be able to get around this town of ours what with ridiculous traffic schemes like this and massive overdevelopment to the North, West and East. Then no one will go into the town at all, businesses will close and people will be out of work - or is that what you want
Just when did we let the lunatics take over the asylum?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though. I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.[/p][/quote]Don't be daft, the way things are going, no one will be able to get around this town of ours what with ridiculous traffic schemes like this and massive overdevelopment to the North, West and East. Then no one will go into the town at all, businesses will close and people will be out of work - or is that what you want Just when did we let the lunatics take over the asylum? Wildwestener
  • Score: 25

10:25am Tue 4 Mar 14

Rubbercement says...

I never ever shop in the Town Centre. It's stinks of fags and is full of cheap outlets, a million card shops and pound shops that out weigh the few decent shops that we do have (Pandora, Next,River Island etc) it's overflowing with phone unlocking/cheap foreign market type shops. And when will something be done about Manchester Road? People coming in off buses from Cheltenham etc get that lovely eyesore on their way in!! It's a giant rubbish tip!!
I never ever shop in the Town Centre. It's stinks of fags and is full of cheap outlets, a million card shops and pound shops that out weigh the few decent shops that we do have (Pandora, Next,River Island etc) it's overflowing with phone unlocking/cheap foreign market type shops. And when will something be done about Manchester Road? People coming in off buses from Cheltenham etc get that lovely eyesore on their way in!! It's a giant rubbish tip!! Rubbercement
  • Score: 33

10:40am Tue 4 Mar 14

swindondad says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though. I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.
SBC did start on the construction of "Park & Ride" sites but did not think the process through.

Judging by the numbers of passengers on the Park & Ride busses the sites where used more by people working in town as opposed to those shopping in town yet the size and frequency of the buses did not variety according to demand (more / bigger at peak time).

With the subsequent decisions to close the "Copse" site and rent out much of the "Wroughton" site (to Nationwide I believe) the idea of a viable Park & Ride for shoppers in Swindon seems to have been abandoned.

Even the most “Pro Car” of people do not like sitting in a traffic jam but as long as the alternative is worse they will continue to do so. Planners may not like the idea of the public using their private cars to get to work / shop / leisure activities but they must either give them an “attractive alternative” or have facilities that welcome it. We have to deal with realities not plan for fantasies!
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though. I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.[/p][/quote]SBC did start on the construction of "Park & Ride" sites but did not think the process through. Judging by the numbers of passengers on the Park & Ride busses the sites where used more by people working in town as opposed to those shopping in town yet the size and frequency of the buses did not variety according to demand (more / bigger at peak time). With the subsequent decisions to close the "Copse" site and rent out much of the "Wroughton" site (to Nationwide I believe) the idea of a viable Park & Ride for shoppers in Swindon seems to have been abandoned. Even the most “Pro Car” of people do not like sitting in a traffic jam but as long as the alternative is worse they will continue to do so. Planners may not like the idea of the public using their private cars to get to work / shop / leisure activities but they must either give them an “attractive alternative” or have facilities that welcome it. We have to deal with realities not plan for fantasies! swindondad
  • Score: 10

10:42am Tue 4 Mar 14

SwindonWatcher says...

Swindon is dead......has been for years. As soon as the kids are a little older we are off.....
Swindon is dead......has been for years. As soon as the kids are a little older we are off..... SwindonWatcher
  • Score: 22

11:01am Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Happygurl wrote:
I have always wondered what qualifications or experience councilors who plan or co-ordinate our developments like Gary Perkins have.
They have very little of either, which people don't like.

So they pay consultants who do have qualifications and experience to do it.

People don't like that either.
[quote][p][bold]Happygurl[/bold] wrote: I have always wondered what qualifications or experience councilors who plan or co-ordinate our developments like Gary Perkins have.[/p][/quote]They have very little of either, which people don't like. So they pay consultants who do have qualifications and experience to do it. People don't like that either. ChannelX
  • Score: 5

11:05am Tue 4 Mar 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Davethered wrote:
We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.
If the town center had more police and a regular park and ride service would you then use it?
the town is not right but general consensus is just shop elsewhere...and let the town die?
Sadly I don't think I'm letting the town die by not shopping there. The town is committing suicide.

If I want to visit a pound shop, pawn my gold watch or go to a bookies, Swindon is just the place.

But I don't.
So the issue is what is in the town?
Choice of shops etc?

You personally no I doubt your shopping else where will close the center attitudes are contagious.
I completely agree that the choice of what is in the town is awful no more labels just out let bargains and tack.
Business will only go to where it is profitable we get the town center that people spend money in this situation has not happened over night and maybe just maybe making the area nicer to sit in and spend time in will improve the area?

Other than the new developments at the bottom of town it is an eye sore why would you want to be anywhere near it will this be part of a pedestrianized area?
May I ask where in Bristol you shop? Broadmead, Cribbs etc??
I'm afraid I don't understand your third sentence, and you seem to be confusing me with Dave the Red when you ask where in Bristol I shop.

I don't shop in Bristol, but I do go to Bath. Since the demise of Normans in Swindon, TR Hayes get my furniture orders. I'm waiting on £6k's worth of delivery at the moment, an order which might have been placed in Swindon if the town had the right quality, choice and service.

More locally to me, Devizes has the right level of quality in terms of service and individual establishments.

Marlborough also figures on the shopping front, while I'd far rather go to Salisbury every couple of months than go to Swindon.

Yes of course out of town superstores are convenient, and I do do most of my weekly food shop at one closer to where I live.

I suppose it's fair to say that Swindon is far enough away from where I live to find other places that are both more convenient and preferable.

If I still lived in Swindon I think I might spend more time and money there, but I still wouldn't like it as much as the places I go in preference.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.[/p][/quote]If the town center had more police and a regular park and ride service would you then use it? the town is not right but general consensus is just shop elsewhere...and let the town die?[/p][/quote]Sadly I don't think I'm letting the town die by not shopping there. The town is committing suicide. If I want to visit a pound shop, pawn my gold watch or go to a bookies, Swindon is just the place. But I don't.[/p][/quote]So the issue is what is in the town? Choice of shops etc? You personally no I doubt your shopping else where will close the center attitudes are contagious. I completely agree that the choice of what is in the town is awful no more labels just out let bargains and tack. Business will only go to where it is profitable we get the town center that people spend money in this situation has not happened over night and maybe just maybe making the area nicer to sit in and spend time in will improve the area? Other than the new developments at the bottom of town it is an eye sore why would you want to be anywhere near it will this be part of a pedestrianized area? May I ask where in Bristol you shop? Broadmead, Cribbs etc??[/p][/quote]I'm afraid I don't understand your third sentence, and you seem to be confusing me with Dave the Red when you ask where in Bristol I shop. I don't shop in Bristol, but I do go to Bath. Since the demise of Normans in Swindon, TR Hayes get my furniture orders. I'm waiting on £6k's worth of delivery at the moment, an order which might have been placed in Swindon if the town had the right quality, choice and service. More locally to me, Devizes has the right level of quality in terms of service and individual establishments. Marlborough also figures on the shopping front, while I'd far rather go to Salisbury every couple of months than go to Swindon. Yes of course out of town superstores are convenient, and I do do most of my weekly food shop at one closer to where I live. I suppose it's fair to say that Swindon is far enough away from where I live to find other places that are both more convenient and preferable. If I still lived in Swindon I think I might spend more time and money there, but I still wouldn't like it as much as the places I go in preference. The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: 11

11:08am Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Al Smith wrote:
Well, well, well, I wonder what some of the pro-car and pro-conservative types have got to say to that?
I must admit, when I first read the comments of the Labour councillor I wondered how the pro-public transport, pro-leftie types would react to him leaping to the defence of car drivers.
[quote][p][bold]Al Smith[/bold] wrote: Well, well, well, I wonder what some of the pro-car and pro-conservative types have got to say to that?[/p][/quote]I must admit, when I first read the comments of the Labour councillor I wondered how the pro-public transport, pro-leftie types would react to him leaping to the defence of car drivers. ChannelX
  • Score: 6

11:17am Tue 4 Mar 14

beach1e says...

its amazing the amount of people who live in Swindon, particularly the north of the town who don't go into the town centre because its a dump when you get there, beggars and dossers, mostly awful shops and it can take 40 odd minutes to get there. Bath ,Cirencester and Bristol are all so much better places to shop, so well done Swindon Council for keeping the faith and helping to keep the town in the grotty depths that it has sunk to.As for travelling in by bus, a more smelly uncomfortable experience I haven't encountered before.
its amazing the amount of people who live in Swindon, particularly the north of the town who don't go into the town centre because its a dump when you get there, beggars and dossers, mostly awful shops and it can take 40 odd minutes to get there. Bath ,Cirencester and Bristol are all so much better places to shop, so well done Swindon Council for keeping the faith and helping to keep the town in the grotty depths that it has sunk to.As for travelling in by bus, a more smelly uncomfortable experience I haven't encountered before. beach1e
  • Score: 30

11:22am Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

So we are looking for a town center with more branded shops, a free park and ride service that is developed around peak times and demand.
Better looking town center shops (I think every town has a Manchester rd type world food area) personally I regularly use two of the markets there.

More police in the center less bars and to be able to drive anywhere in the town?
The businesses that are there are there because they are making money they would not be there if not. Why are these business thriving?
Personally I think allot of the high street names are tat but brands on high streets do work and attract people. So how about lower rents for business to encourage them in and raise money through tax?
Or are we asking for all these things to be improved without cost?
So we are looking for a town center with more branded shops, a free park and ride service that is developed around peak times and demand. Better looking town center shops (I think every town has a Manchester rd type world food area) personally I regularly use two of the markets there. More police in the center less bars and to be able to drive anywhere in the town? The businesses that are there are there because they are making money they would not be there if not. Why are these business thriving? Personally I think allot of the high street names are tat but brands on high streets do work and attract people. So how about lower rents for business to encourage them in and raise money through tax? Or are we asking for all these things to be improved without cost? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -5

11:33am Tue 4 Mar 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

A lot could be achieved by scrapping business rates and instead having a local sales tax.
A lot could be achieved by scrapping business rates and instead having a local sales tax. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 4

11:35am Tue 4 Mar 14

SwindonWatcher says...

Or bombing the town centre and starting again!!!!
Or bombing the town centre and starting again!!!! SwindonWatcher
  • Score: 17

11:41am Tue 4 Mar 14

Davey Gravey says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though.
I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.
Don't be daft, the way things are going, no one will be able to get around this town of ours what with ridiculous traffic schemes like this and massive overdevelopment to the North, West and East. Then no one will go into the town at all, businesses will close and people will be out of work - or is that what you want
Just when did we let the lunatics take over the asylum?
Hence why I said we need a decent park and ride service to make it work.
They got it wrong last time but I would have 3 park and ride points. The gwh, west swindon and north swindon. Make it cheap and attractive to the public with an attractive town centre it would be good. It would also free up traffic forthose journeys where a car is required. We have to change or folk will just be sat in more and more traffic jams
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though. I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.[/p][/quote]Don't be daft, the way things are going, no one will be able to get around this town of ours what with ridiculous traffic schemes like this and massive overdevelopment to the North, West and East. Then no one will go into the town at all, businesses will close and people will be out of work - or is that what you want Just when did we let the lunatics take over the asylum?[/p][/quote]Hence why I said we need a decent park and ride service to make it work. They got it wrong last time but I would have 3 park and ride points. The gwh, west swindon and north swindon. Make it cheap and attractive to the public with an attractive town centre it would be good. It would also free up traffic forthose journeys where a car is required. We have to change or folk will just be sat in more and more traffic jams Davey Gravey
  • Score: -5

11:50am Tue 4 Mar 14

Just_my_point_of_view says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion.
Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?
Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it.

The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way?

Fleming way as a bus station?
Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.
As I understand it, Fleming Way's been planned to be converted to a covered bus station for a few years. When (if!) they build shops next to the tricentre then it's going to be in the middle of shops, hence why a bus station there and the odd shape of Whalebridge.

For road and town planners, the ideology recently has been to stop traffic travelling *through* a town centre, and encourage them to go *round* it - and you only have to look at Whalebridge to see that theory in action!

There's plans for a new park and ride in Wichelstowe, by the new bridge / tunnel over the M4 so easy access to Junction 16, but that's just been postponed for 8 years! If they put this in now, would make Wichelstowe more attractive and the town centre easier to access, in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion. Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?[/p][/quote]Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it. The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way? Fleming way as a bus station? Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.[/p][/quote]As I understand it, Fleming Way's been planned to be converted to a covered bus station for a few years. When (if!) they build shops next to the tricentre then it's going to be in the middle of shops, hence why a bus station there and the odd shape of Whalebridge. For road and town planners, the ideology recently has been to stop traffic travelling *through* a town centre, and encourage them to go *round* it - and you only have to look at Whalebridge to see that theory in action! There's plans for a new park and ride in Wichelstowe, by the new bridge / tunnel over the M4 so easy access to Junction 16, but that's just been postponed for 8 years! If they put this in now, would make Wichelstowe more attractive and the town centre easier to access, in my opinion. Just_my_point_of_view
  • Score: 2

11:51am Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Davethered wrote:
We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.
If the town center had more police and a regular park and ride service would you then use it?
the town is not right but general consensus is just shop elsewhere...and let the town die?
Sadly I don't think I'm letting the town die by not shopping there. The town is committing suicide.

If I want to visit a pound shop, pawn my gold watch or go to a bookies, Swindon is just the place.

But I don't.
So the issue is what is in the town?
Choice of shops etc?

You personally no I doubt your shopping else where will close the center attitudes are contagious.
I completely agree that the choice of what is in the town is awful no more labels just out let bargains and tack.
Business will only go to where it is profitable we get the town center that people spend money in this situation has not happened over night and maybe just maybe making the area nicer to sit in and spend time in will improve the area?

Other than the new developments at the bottom of town it is an eye sore why would you want to be anywhere near it will this be part of a pedestrianized area?
May I ask where in Bristol you shop? Broadmead, Cribbs etc??
I'm afraid I don't understand your third sentence, and you seem to be confusing me with Dave the Red when you ask where in Bristol I shop.

I don't shop in Bristol, but I do go to Bath. Since the demise of Normans in Swindon, TR Hayes get my furniture orders. I'm waiting on £6k's worth of delivery at the moment, an order which might have been placed in Swindon if the town had the right quality, choice and service.

More locally to me, Devizes has the right level of quality in terms of service and individual establishments.

Marlborough also figures on the shopping front, while I'd far rather go to Salisbury every couple of months than go to Swindon.

Yes of course out of town superstores are convenient, and I do do most of my weekly food shop at one closer to where I live.

I suppose it's fair to say that Swindon is far enough away from where I live to find other places that are both more convenient and preferable.

If I still lived in Swindon I think I might spend more time and money there, but I still wouldn't like it as much as the places I go in preference.
Sorry for mixing you two up.

If I lived where you do I would shop locally as well.
I spent a few years in Malmesbury and loved local shops and knowing the people in the shops are running their own businesses far higher quality and great service.
However there is no parking, walkway / paths are awful and other than co-op which I believe to be the worst of the supermarkets you need to go to Chippenham for weekly type shops. All buses finish at 6pm the list of issues goes on.

That is the thing with preference it is what you like.

In relation to a bus only zone if Fleming way was to be made pedestrianized the junction at henry / fleet st area this could be folded into the development at the railway village.
Ultimately this could be the plan I think this would make a really attractive area from the train station to the town center which would encourage shopping and businesses to come.
There are some shops there which I would be shocked to find out had any health and safety let alone high compliance.
I have no issue with the lap dancing bar down there during the day you could walk by and your life will not be affected.
[quote][p][bold]The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: We now shop in Bristol once a week , it's easy to park and a nice atmosphere. Whereas we probably go into Swindon about once every 6/8 weeks . Absolutely hate driving around the place , and the Town centre is full of Bars and thugs with dogs. Not nice.[/p][/quote]If the town center had more police and a regular park and ride service would you then use it? the town is not right but general consensus is just shop elsewhere...and let the town die?[/p][/quote]Sadly I don't think I'm letting the town die by not shopping there. The town is committing suicide. If I want to visit a pound shop, pawn my gold watch or go to a bookies, Swindon is just the place. But I don't.[/p][/quote]So the issue is what is in the town? Choice of shops etc? You personally no I doubt your shopping else where will close the center attitudes are contagious. I completely agree that the choice of what is in the town is awful no more labels just out let bargains and tack. Business will only go to where it is profitable we get the town center that people spend money in this situation has not happened over night and maybe just maybe making the area nicer to sit in and spend time in will improve the area? Other than the new developments at the bottom of town it is an eye sore why would you want to be anywhere near it will this be part of a pedestrianized area? May I ask where in Bristol you shop? Broadmead, Cribbs etc??[/p][/quote]I'm afraid I don't understand your third sentence, and you seem to be confusing me with Dave the Red when you ask where in Bristol I shop. I don't shop in Bristol, but I do go to Bath. Since the demise of Normans in Swindon, TR Hayes get my furniture orders. I'm waiting on £6k's worth of delivery at the moment, an order which might have been placed in Swindon if the town had the right quality, choice and service. More locally to me, Devizes has the right level of quality in terms of service and individual establishments. Marlborough also figures on the shopping front, while I'd far rather go to Salisbury every couple of months than go to Swindon. Yes of course out of town superstores are convenient, and I do do most of my weekly food shop at one closer to where I live. I suppose it's fair to say that Swindon is far enough away from where I live to find other places that are both more convenient and preferable. If I still lived in Swindon I think I might spend more time and money there, but I still wouldn't like it as much as the places I go in preference.[/p][/quote]Sorry for mixing you two up. If I lived where you do I would shop locally as well. I spent a few years in Malmesbury and loved local shops and knowing the people in the shops are running their own businesses far higher quality and great service. However there is no parking, walkway / paths are awful and other than co-op which I believe to be the worst of the supermarkets you need to go to Chippenham for weekly type shops. All buses finish at 6pm the list of issues goes on. That is the thing with preference it is what you like. In relation to a bus only zone if Fleming way was to be made pedestrianized the junction at henry / fleet st area this could be folded into the development at the railway village. Ultimately this could be the plan I think this would make a really attractive area from the train station to the town center which would encourage shopping and businesses to come. There are some shops there which I would be shocked to find out had any health and safety let alone high compliance. I have no issue with the lap dancing bar down there during the day you could walk by and your life will not be affected. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

12:13pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...


Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
[quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares? ChannelX
  • Score: 21

12:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Disco20 says...

I ride a motorbike, all year long. I have no issues with parking or getting around.... ;)

Besides that, I do believe this to be an issue which is only adding to the impatience and incompetence of a lot of motorists in the area.

If a solid, thought out plan of how the town centre will look after ALL the regeneration is complete, then an accurate reflection can be made. All we get is drip fed "improvements" which do not seem to link in together at the moment.

What is the complete vision of Swindon? I cannot find a link or explanation when googling... If someone know of it and cares to share, then perhaps we can have a clearer perspective..
I ride a motorbike, all year long. I have no issues with parking or getting around.... ;) Besides that, I do believe this to be an issue which is only adding to the impatience and incompetence of a lot of motorists in the area. If a solid, thought out plan of how the town centre will look after ALL the regeneration is complete, then an accurate reflection can be made. All we get is drip fed "improvements" which do not seem to link in together at the moment. What is the complete vision of Swindon? I cannot find a link or explanation when googling... If someone know of it and cares to share, then perhaps we can have a clearer perspective.. Disco20
  • Score: 3

12:30pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

beach1e wrote:
its amazing the amount of people who live in Swindon, particularly the north of the town who don't go into the town centre because its a dump when you get there, beggars and dossers, mostly awful shops and it can take 40 odd minutes to get there. Bath ,Cirencester and Bristol are all so much better places to shop, so well done Swindon Council for keeping the faith and helping to keep the town in the grotty depths that it has sunk to.As for travelling in by bus, a more smelly uncomfortable experience I haven't encountered before.
So the cost should go up to improve the service. Would you use it then?
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: its amazing the amount of people who live in Swindon, particularly the north of the town who don't go into the town centre because its a dump when you get there, beggars and dossers, mostly awful shops and it can take 40 odd minutes to get there. Bath ,Cirencester and Bristol are all so much better places to shop, so well done Swindon Council for keeping the faith and helping to keep the town in the grotty depths that it has sunk to.As for travelling in by bus, a more smelly uncomfortable experience I haven't encountered before.[/p][/quote]So the cost should go up to improve the service. Would you use it then? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -5

12:33pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Davey Gravey says...

ChannelX wrote:

Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
Of course you are one of the selfish car drivers I refer to.
Buses, lorries, bicycles, and even pedestrians have met your wrath, yet the ever growing amount of cars on roads that will never be able to cope with it are ignored. There simply isn't enough space within the town to cope with such a high volume of cars without it causing congestion.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?[/p][/quote]Of course you are one of the selfish car drivers I refer to. Buses, lorries, bicycles, and even pedestrians have met your wrath, yet the ever growing amount of cars on roads that will never be able to cope with it are ignored. There simply isn't enough space within the town to cope with such a high volume of cars without it causing congestion. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -16

12:38pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Jezabelle says...

I have to say, I tend to avoid the town centre whenever possible already. This would just be the final nail into that coffin for me.
I have used the buses that go to and from Fleming Way - but why on earth make it bus only when there's a bus station already in existence less than 2 minutes walk away? seriously?
Its harsh enough on drivers already with having to pay for the privilege just to drive to town, then to park in town -vs- a day rider. They probably both cost the same. However, in your own car you have your own comforts, don't have to stop 15 times before you get home, get bashed around on shoddy suspension (not good if you're pregnant or have a weak bladder), then if you're unlucky, you end up on a bus which is overcrowded, or has folk in it who's every second word is a swear word (like the time my 3 year old asked me "who's F*c*" on a Thamesdown no1 bus and I turned to the teenager who'd said it and asked them if they'd like to answer it. Then there's nowhere to put your shopping, and if it's busy and you can't keep it in your eyeline, or you're dealing with a small child, it's quite common to leave the bus with less bags in the storage area than you came on with..
Buses do provide an essential service, but if you're asking people to weigh up their £3.50 dayrider cost to consider either dayrider - vs - car. My answer would always be car.
I have to say, I tend to avoid the town centre whenever possible already. This would just be the final nail into that coffin for me. I have used the buses that go to and from Fleming Way - but why on earth make it bus only when there's a bus station already in existence less than 2 minutes walk away? seriously? Its harsh enough on drivers already with having to pay for the privilege just to drive to town, then to park in town -vs- a day rider. They probably both cost the same. However, in your own car you have your own comforts, don't have to stop 15 times before you get home, get bashed around on shoddy suspension (not good if you're pregnant or have a weak bladder), then if you're unlucky, you end up on a bus which is overcrowded, or has folk in it who's every second word is a swear word (like the time my 3 year old asked me "who's F*c*" on a Thamesdown no1 bus and I turned to the teenager who'd said it and asked them if they'd like to answer it. Then there's nowhere to put your shopping, and if it's busy and you can't keep it in your eyeline, or you're dealing with a small child, it's quite common to leave the bus with less bags in the storage area than you came on with.. Buses do provide an essential service, but if you're asking people to weigh up their £3.50 dayrider cost to consider either dayrider - vs - car. My answer would always be car. Jezabelle
  • Score: 20

12:44pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Just_my_point_of_vie
w
wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion.
Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?
Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it.

The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way?

Fleming way as a bus station?
Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.
As I understand it, Fleming Way's been planned to be converted to a covered bus station for a few years. When (if!) they build shops next to the tricentre then it's going to be in the middle of shops, hence why a bus station there and the odd shape of Whalebridge.

For road and town planners, the ideology recently has been to stop traffic travelling *through* a town centre, and encourage them to go *round* it - and you only have to look at Whalebridge to see that theory in action!

There's plans for a new park and ride in Wichelstowe, by the new bridge / tunnel over the M4 so easy access to Junction 16, but that's just been postponed for 8 years! If they put this in now, would make Wichelstowe more attractive and the town centre easier to access, in my opinion.
I have learnt something today. Didnt know that was the plan for fleming way (I move in and out of Swindon allot)
Your opinion is valid and would add value to both the town center and Wichelstowe it does confuse me as to why many of these seemingly sound plans are not followed up?

On a side note if more people walked maybe the town wouldnt have the obesity problem it has.
[quote][p][bold]Just_my_point_of_vie w[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion. Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?[/p][/quote]Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it. The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way? Fleming way as a bus station? Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.[/p][/quote]As I understand it, Fleming Way's been planned to be converted to a covered bus station for a few years. When (if!) they build shops next to the tricentre then it's going to be in the middle of shops, hence why a bus station there and the odd shape of Whalebridge. For road and town planners, the ideology recently has been to stop traffic travelling *through* a town centre, and encourage them to go *round* it - and you only have to look at Whalebridge to see that theory in action! There's plans for a new park and ride in Wichelstowe, by the new bridge / tunnel over the M4 so easy access to Junction 16, but that's just been postponed for 8 years! If they put this in now, would make Wichelstowe more attractive and the town centre easier to access, in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I have learnt something today. Didnt know that was the plan for fleming way (I move in and out of Swindon allot) Your opinion is valid and would add value to both the town center and Wichelstowe it does confuse me as to why many of these seemingly sound plans are not followed up? On a side note if more people walked maybe the town wouldnt have the obesity problem it has. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

1:10pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:

Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets?
Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours?
Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus.
Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips.
I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies.
Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?[/p][/quote]Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets? Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours? Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus. Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips. I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies. Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -7

1:12pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Just_my_point_of_view says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Just_my_point_of_vie

w
wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion.
Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?
Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it.

The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way?

Fleming way as a bus station?
Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.
As I understand it, Fleming Way's been planned to be converted to a covered bus station for a few years. When (if!) they build shops next to the tricentre then it's going to be in the middle of shops, hence why a bus station there and the odd shape of Whalebridge.

For road and town planners, the ideology recently has been to stop traffic travelling *through* a town centre, and encourage them to go *round* it - and you only have to look at Whalebridge to see that theory in action!

There's plans for a new park and ride in Wichelstowe, by the new bridge / tunnel over the M4 so easy access to Junction 16, but that's just been postponed for 8 years! If they put this in now, would make Wichelstowe more attractive and the town centre easier to access, in my opinion.
I have learnt something today. Didnt know that was the plan for fleming way (I move in and out of Swindon allot)
Your opinion is valid and would add value to both the town center and Wichelstowe it does confuse me as to why many of these seemingly sound plans are not followed up?

On a side note if more people walked maybe the town wouldnt have the obesity problem it has.
The original plans have gone offline but I've found this....
http://3.bp.blogspot
.com/-wFx2ksaEyUE/Tk
Gd9McP6VI/AAAAAAAACk
4/Xgg3IpfZddU/s1600/
masterplan%2Bfinal.j
pg
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just_my_point_of_vie w[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion. Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?[/p][/quote]Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it. The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way? Fleming way as a bus station? Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.[/p][/quote]As I understand it, Fleming Way's been planned to be converted to a covered bus station for a few years. When (if!) they build shops next to the tricentre then it's going to be in the middle of shops, hence why a bus station there and the odd shape of Whalebridge. For road and town planners, the ideology recently has been to stop traffic travelling *through* a town centre, and encourage them to go *round* it - and you only have to look at Whalebridge to see that theory in action! There's plans for a new park and ride in Wichelstowe, by the new bridge / tunnel over the M4 so easy access to Junction 16, but that's just been postponed for 8 years! If they put this in now, would make Wichelstowe more attractive and the town centre easier to access, in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I have learnt something today. Didnt know that was the plan for fleming way (I move in and out of Swindon allot) Your opinion is valid and would add value to both the town center and Wichelstowe it does confuse me as to why many of these seemingly sound plans are not followed up? On a side note if more people walked maybe the town wouldnt have the obesity problem it has.[/p][/quote]The original plans have gone offline but I've found this.... http://3.bp.blogspot .com/-wFx2ksaEyUE/Tk Gd9McP6VI/AAAAAAAACk 4/Xgg3IpfZddU/s1600/ masterplan%2Bfinal.j pg Just_my_point_of_view
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Tue 4 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

Happygurl wrote:
I have always wondered what qualifications or experience councilors who plan or co-ordinate our developments like Gary Perkins have.
None, that is the big downside of politics, no previous experience or knowledge or ability required just get elected!
[quote][p][bold]Happygurl[/bold] wrote: I have always wondered what qualifications or experience councilors who plan or co-ordinate our developments like Gary Perkins have.[/p][/quote]None, that is the big downside of politics, no previous experience or knowledge or ability required just get elected! house on the hill
  • Score: 4

1:33pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Jezabelle wrote:
I have to say, I tend to avoid the town centre whenever possible already. This would just be the final nail into that coffin for me.
I have used the buses that go to and from Fleming Way - but why on earth make it bus only when there's a bus station already in existence less than 2 minutes walk away? seriously?
Its harsh enough on drivers already with having to pay for the privilege just to drive to town, then to park in town -vs- a day rider. They probably both cost the same. However, in your own car you have your own comforts, don't have to stop 15 times before you get home, get bashed around on shoddy suspension (not good if you're pregnant or have a weak bladder), then if you're unlucky, you end up on a bus which is overcrowded, or has folk in it who's every second word is a swear word (like the time my 3 year old asked me "who's F*c*" on a Thamesdown no1 bus and I turned to the teenager who'd said it and asked them if they'd like to answer it. Then there's nowhere to put your shopping, and if it's busy and you can't keep it in your eyeline, or you're dealing with a small child, it's quite common to leave the bus with less bags in the storage area than you came on with..
Buses do provide an essential service, but if you're asking people to weigh up their £3.50 dayrider cost to consider either dayrider - vs - car. My answer would always be car.
I can totally understand you not wanting to subject your child to vile language but in fairness that is a social issue rather than a pedestrianized bus zone.
Trying to juggle a child and shopping must be a disaster.

I am by no means suggesting we should all dump our cars they are vital for weekly shop type journeys as well as emergency or unforeseen circumstances. The smaller journeys the non weekly shops is the car needed for these trips? is it used anyway? Does every journey really require a car?

I think the point of the bus lane is that start of a much larger development as stated above, so the near by bus station will not be a factor.
Someone else has mentioned that there are lots of part developments going on at the moment and I would completely agree that if the public were shown the final vision this would ease public response and restore some faith.

8 hours of parking in Swindon costs £22 day rider £3.50 no brainer really?
However the needs of a car for a weekly shop are understandable so maybe a larger supermarket would be more practical and provide free parking.
[quote][p][bold]Jezabelle[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I tend to avoid the town centre whenever possible already. This would just be the final nail into that coffin for me. I have used the buses that go to and from Fleming Way - but why on earth make it bus only when there's a bus station already in existence less than 2 minutes walk away? seriously? Its harsh enough on drivers already with having to pay for the privilege just to drive to town, then to park in town -vs- a day rider. They probably both cost the same. However, in your own car you have your own comforts, don't have to stop 15 times before you get home, get bashed around on shoddy suspension (not good if you're pregnant or have a weak bladder), then if you're unlucky, you end up on a bus which is overcrowded, or has folk in it who's every second word is a swear word (like the time my 3 year old asked me "who's F*c*" on a Thamesdown no1 bus and I turned to the teenager who'd said it and asked them if they'd like to answer it. Then there's nowhere to put your shopping, and if it's busy and you can't keep it in your eyeline, or you're dealing with a small child, it's quite common to leave the bus with less bags in the storage area than you came on with.. Buses do provide an essential service, but if you're asking people to weigh up their £3.50 dayrider cost to consider either dayrider - vs - car. My answer would always be car.[/p][/quote]I can totally understand you not wanting to subject your child to vile language but in fairness that is a social issue rather than a pedestrianized bus zone. Trying to juggle a child and shopping must be a disaster. I am by no means suggesting we should all dump our cars they are vital for weekly shop type journeys as well as emergency or unforeseen circumstances. The smaller journeys the non weekly shops is the car needed for these trips? is it used anyway? Does every journey really require a car? I think the point of the bus lane is that start of a much larger development as stated above, so the near by bus station will not be a factor. Someone else has mentioned that there are lots of part developments going on at the moment and I would completely agree that if the public were shown the final vision this would ease public response and restore some faith. 8 hours of parking in Swindon costs £22 day rider £3.50 no brainer really? However the needs of a car for a weekly shop are understandable so maybe a larger supermarket would be more practical and provide free parking. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

1:34pm Tue 4 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though.
I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.
You mean the same selfish drivers who only see the Govt put back around 10% of what they contribute in tax and duty, while the other 90% props up other areas of the economy like welfare etc. You cant charge drivers masses in taxes to own and maintain their cars and then deny them the right to use them, thats like saying no one can claim benefits until they have paid into the system. Hang on, there's an idea......

the Town Centre problem is Catch 22, Decent shops wont go there until people start using it and people wont start using it until decent shops go there! There is no point spending any more money on white elephants like this if no one is going to use it.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though. I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.[/p][/quote]You mean the same selfish drivers who only see the Govt put back around 10% of what they contribute in tax and duty, while the other 90% props up other areas of the economy like welfare etc. You cant charge drivers masses in taxes to own and maintain their cars and then deny them the right to use them, thats like saying no one can claim benefits until they have paid into the system. Hang on, there's an idea...... the Town Centre problem is Catch 22, Decent shops wont go there until people start using it and people wont start using it until decent shops go there! There is no point spending any more money on white elephants like this if no one is going to use it. house on the hill
  • Score: 8

1:41pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Just_my_point_of_vie
w
wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Just_my_point_of_vie


w
wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion.
Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?
Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it.

The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way?

Fleming way as a bus station?
Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.
As I understand it, Fleming Way's been planned to be converted to a covered bus station for a few years. When (if!) they build shops next to the tricentre then it's going to be in the middle of shops, hence why a bus station there and the odd shape of Whalebridge.

For road and town planners, the ideology recently has been to stop traffic travelling *through* a town centre, and encourage them to go *round* it - and you only have to look at Whalebridge to see that theory in action!

There's plans for a new park and ride in Wichelstowe, by the new bridge / tunnel over the M4 so easy access to Junction 16, but that's just been postponed for 8 years! If they put this in now, would make Wichelstowe more attractive and the town centre easier to access, in my opinion.
I have learnt something today. Didnt know that was the plan for fleming way (I move in and out of Swindon allot)
Your opinion is valid and would add value to both the town center and Wichelstowe it does confuse me as to why many of these seemingly sound plans are not followed up?

On a side note if more people walked maybe the town wouldnt have the obesity problem it has.
The original plans have gone offline but I've found this....
http://3.bp.blogspot

.com/-wFx2ksaEyUE/Tk

Gd9McP6VI/AAAAAAAACk

4/Xgg3IpfZddU/s1600/

masterplan%2Bfinal.j

pg
Thanks I will have a look at that.
After a quick google search there are more than 20 towns / boro`s trying to send traffic around the town centers and the over riding opinion here is to push more traffic into the center....I dont understand.
[quote][p][bold]Just_my_point_of_vie w[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just_my_point_of_vie w[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion. Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?[/p][/quote]Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it. The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way? Fleming way as a bus station? Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.[/p][/quote]As I understand it, Fleming Way's been planned to be converted to a covered bus station for a few years. When (if!) they build shops next to the tricentre then it's going to be in the middle of shops, hence why a bus station there and the odd shape of Whalebridge. For road and town planners, the ideology recently has been to stop traffic travelling *through* a town centre, and encourage them to go *round* it - and you only have to look at Whalebridge to see that theory in action! There's plans for a new park and ride in Wichelstowe, by the new bridge / tunnel over the M4 so easy access to Junction 16, but that's just been postponed for 8 years! If they put this in now, would make Wichelstowe more attractive and the town centre easier to access, in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I have learnt something today. Didnt know that was the plan for fleming way (I move in and out of Swindon allot) Your opinion is valid and would add value to both the town center and Wichelstowe it does confuse me as to why many of these seemingly sound plans are not followed up? On a side note if more people walked maybe the town wouldnt have the obesity problem it has.[/p][/quote]The original plans have gone offline but I've found this.... http://3.bp.blogspot .com/-wFx2ksaEyUE/Tk Gd9McP6VI/AAAAAAAACk 4/Xgg3IpfZddU/s1600/ masterplan%2Bfinal.j pg[/p][/quote]Thanks I will have a look at that. After a quick google search there are more than 20 towns / boro`s trying to send traffic around the town centers and the over riding opinion here is to push more traffic into the center....I dont understand. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -3

1:54pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

house on the hill wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though.
I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.
You mean the same selfish drivers who only see the Govt put back around 10% of what they contribute in tax and duty, while the other 90% props up other areas of the economy like welfare etc. You cant charge drivers masses in taxes to own and maintain their cars and then deny them the right to use them, thats like saying no one can claim benefits until they have paid into the system. Hang on, there's an idea......

the Town Centre problem is Catch 22, Decent shops wont go there until people start using it and people wont start using it until decent shops go there! There is no point spending any more money on white elephants like this if no one is going to use it.
Well there is no point in anything then is there......
If it hasnt worked just scrap it and move on?
Maybe remove all buses and ensure you have a private car parking space outside your shopping route?
Anything constructive to offer as to the miss spending of taxes by gov look at HS2 40 + billion to take 30 mins off of a train journey that YOU may never use but you have issue with local problem that if fixed would create positive response for generations.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: The town centre is in desperate need of updating so this is a positive move. Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please despite the town clearly not being able to cope with the ever growing amount of cars in it. We need decent park and ride services to go with this redevelopment to make it work though. I bet those moaning about this are the same ones moaning the town centre needs updating.[/p][/quote]You mean the same selfish drivers who only see the Govt put back around 10% of what they contribute in tax and duty, while the other 90% props up other areas of the economy like welfare etc. You cant charge drivers masses in taxes to own and maintain their cars and then deny them the right to use them, thats like saying no one can claim benefits until they have paid into the system. Hang on, there's an idea...... the Town Centre problem is Catch 22, Decent shops wont go there until people start using it and people wont start using it until decent shops go there! There is no point spending any more money on white elephants like this if no one is going to use it.[/p][/quote]Well there is no point in anything then is there...... If it hasnt worked just scrap it and move on? Maybe remove all buses and ensure you have a private car parking space outside your shopping route? Anything constructive to offer as to the miss spending of taxes by gov look at HS2 40 + billion to take 30 mins off of a train journey that YOU may never use but you have issue with local problem that if fixed would create positive response for generations. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -7

1:59pm Tue 4 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

"""Badgersgetabadnam
e says...
Does every journey really require a car?""

I guess that depends on your interpretation of freedom of choice. In my car I can go where i want when i want with whom i want, buses give you none of that. Also we are charged tax and VAT when we buy our cars, a licence fee each year to use them and tax on our insurance to drive them, MOT costs, vat on parts and servicing etc, why would you want to then pay again to go by bus?
"""Badgersgetabadnam e says... Does every journey really require a car?"" I guess that depends on your interpretation of freedom of choice. In my car I can go where i want when i want with whom i want, buses give you none of that. Also we are charged tax and VAT when we buy our cars, a licence fee each year to use them and tax on our insurance to drive them, MOT costs, vat on parts and servicing etc, why would you want to then pay again to go by bus? house on the hill
  • Score: 8

2:51pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

house on the hill wrote:
"""Badgersgetab
adnam
e says...
Does every journey really require a car?""

I guess that depends on your interpretation of freedom of choice. In my car I can go where i want when i want with whom i want, buses give you none of that. Also we are charged tax and VAT when we buy our cars, a licence fee each year to use them and tax on our insurance to drive them, MOT costs, vat on parts and servicing etc, why would you want to then pay again to go by bus?
Allot of the journeys I make are only local.
If you make allot of spontaneous journeys I can see why a car would be vital rather than freedom of choice it would be a necessity, I would imagine this circumstance to be in the minority but never the less as valid.
With this in mind would you accept that most people do not make spontaneous journeys and more often than not over a 6 month time line make pretty much the same journeys days after day at approximately the same time? Work etc...
As with anything that has taxes and costs attached it is a choice to have. If in the space of 12 months you make no journeys over 10 mile I would suggest that you do not need a motor vehicle at all.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: """Badgersgetab adnam e says... Does every journey really require a car?"" I guess that depends on your interpretation of freedom of choice. In my car I can go where i want when i want with whom i want, buses give you none of that. Also we are charged tax and VAT when we buy our cars, a licence fee each year to use them and tax on our insurance to drive them, MOT costs, vat on parts and servicing etc, why would you want to then pay again to go by bus?[/p][/quote]Allot of the journeys I make are only local. If you make allot of spontaneous journeys I can see why a car would be vital rather than freedom of choice it would be a necessity, I would imagine this circumstance to be in the minority but never the less as valid. With this in mind would you accept that most people do not make spontaneous journeys and more often than not over a 6 month time line make pretty much the same journeys days after day at approximately the same time? Work etc... As with anything that has taxes and costs attached it is a choice to have. If in the space of 12 months you make no journeys over 10 mile I would suggest that you do not need a motor vehicle at all. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -9

3:04pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Swindon_AOK says...

SwindonWatcher wrote:
Swindon is dead......has been for years. As soon as the kids are a little older we are off.....
Good luck with that. Sadly I think you will find that living in Swindon for any extended period of time will have damaged your chances of being able to go anywhere better.

House prices in Swindon have barely moved due to oversupply, whereas most of the rest of south England has surged ahead. Taking the example of many folks with a 4 bed detached in North Swindon, it's likely capped around £250k and has been for years. What can you buy with £250k elsewhere? Not a lot is the answer...
[quote][p][bold]SwindonWatcher[/bold] wrote: Swindon is dead......has been for years. As soon as the kids are a little older we are off.....[/p][/quote]Good luck with that. Sadly I think you will find that living in Swindon for any extended period of time will have damaged your chances of being able to go anywhere better. House prices in Swindon have barely moved due to oversupply, whereas most of the rest of south England has surged ahead. Taking the example of many folks with a 4 bed detached in North Swindon, it's likely capped around £250k and has been for years. What can you buy with £250k elsewhere? Not a lot is the answer... Swindon_AOK
  • Score: 5

3:08pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
Of course you are one of the selfish car drivers I refer to.
Buses, lorries, bicycles, and even pedestrians have met your wrath, yet the ever growing amount of cars on roads that will never be able to cope with it are ignored. There simply isn't enough space within the town to cope with such a high volume of cars without it causing congestion.
It's not the volume of cars that causes congestion.

If roads were allowed to run freely, which they deliberately are not, there would be no issue.

I also don't quite understand how closing off roads to allow buses to drive down them with nobody but the driver onboard somehow 'helps' reduce congestion.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?[/p][/quote]Of course you are one of the selfish car drivers I refer to. Buses, lorries, bicycles, and even pedestrians have met your wrath, yet the ever growing amount of cars on roads that will never be able to cope with it are ignored. There simply isn't enough space within the town to cope with such a high volume of cars without it causing congestion.[/p][/quote]It's not the volume of cars that causes congestion. If roads were allowed to run freely, which they deliberately are not, there would be no issue. I also don't quite understand how closing off roads to allow buses to drive down them with nobody but the driver onboard somehow 'helps' reduce congestion. ChannelX
  • Score: 4

3:11pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets?
Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours?
Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus.
Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips.
I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies.
Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?
Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere?

The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there.

If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?[/p][/quote]Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets? Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours? Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus. Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips. I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies. Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere? The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there. If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car. ChannelX
  • Score: 6

3:15pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

To all those saying the town is dead please see A419 and other out roads.
Given the level of negativity to trying to improve the town I would suggest leaving.
There are many, many worse places to live.
If you do wish to stay and would like to affect political change may I suggest NO votes force it to lots drawn it makes as much sense as voting for something just because it is in opposition to something you dont like.
To all those saying the town is dead please see A419 and other out roads. Given the level of negativity to trying to improve the town I would suggest leaving. There are many, many worse places to live. If you do wish to stay and would like to affect political change may I suggest NO votes force it to lots drawn it makes as much sense as voting for something just because it is in opposition to something you dont like. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -8

3:17pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Swindon_AOK says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion.
Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?
Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it.

The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way?

Fleming way as a bus station?
Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.
These plans have been available for the public to view for years. Forward Swindon ran several public consultations on Kimmerfields (Union Square).

Whether it is a good idea to regrade Fleming Way is debatable. But the only way Muse will build Kimmerfields is if they think it is commercially viable. It is all about FOOTFALL. Building a new office/commercial zone which sits as an island detached from the retail core is a no-go.

The idea is so extend the town centre to the east by connecting Kimmerfields to the retail core and removing the offputting underpass in the process. The only way to do this is regrade the road.

Once you regrade the road then you have the challenge of navigating a busy dual carriageway to get from one side to the other. Again, a no-go. If you make the road buses-only, along with pedestrian friendly street furniture, the idea is that you drive footfall from the core to Kimmerfields, ultimately making the commercial and retail offering there economically viable. If retailers think it's viable, they sign leases to open stores. If not, the scheme is DOA.

Have you ever been to Exeter? It's a bit like the main street there - open to buses and pedestrians and they share the space. It works quite well.

In Swindon it may have the effect of driving traffic out of the core, but I think the planners are more concerned with getting footfall into Kimmerfields than inconveniencing the average motorist.

You have to ask yourself, do you want to throw all the plans out yet again and start from scratch, leading to another 20 year delay in regeneration (the Labour Group approach) or do you proceed with Muse and make the best of it and hopefully create a new town centre quarter with an upmarket offering (the Tory approach).

Having lived here for 20 years and seeing nothing happening, I know which of those I'd rather have......a lot of Swindon folk however seem to relish moaning about everything - moan if no progress, moan at every opportunity to do something!
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion. Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?[/p][/quote]Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it. The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way? Fleming way as a bus station? Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.[/p][/quote]These plans have been available for the public to view for years. Forward Swindon ran several public consultations on Kimmerfields (Union Square). Whether it is a good idea to regrade Fleming Way is debatable. But the only way Muse will build Kimmerfields is if they think it is commercially viable. It is all about FOOTFALL. Building a new office/commercial zone which sits as an island detached from the retail core is a no-go. The idea is so extend the town centre to the east by connecting Kimmerfields to the retail core and removing the offputting underpass in the process. The only way to do this is regrade the road. Once you regrade the road then you have the challenge of navigating a busy dual carriageway to get from one side to the other. Again, a no-go. If you make the road buses-only, along with pedestrian friendly street furniture, the idea is that you drive footfall from the core to Kimmerfields, ultimately making the commercial and retail offering there economically viable. If retailers think it's viable, they sign leases to open stores. If not, the scheme is DOA. Have you ever been to Exeter? It's a bit like the main street there - open to buses and pedestrians and they share the space. It works quite well. In Swindon it may have the effect of driving traffic out of the core, but I think the planners are more concerned with getting footfall into Kimmerfields than inconveniencing the average motorist. You have to ask yourself, do you want to throw all the plans out yet again and start from scratch, leading to another 20 year delay in regeneration (the Labour Group approach) or do you proceed with Muse and make the best of it and hopefully create a new town centre quarter with an upmarket offering (the Tory approach). Having lived here for 20 years and seeing nothing happening, I know which of those I'd rather have......a lot of Swindon folk however seem to relish moaning about everything - moan if no progress, moan at every opportunity to do something! Swindon_AOK
  • Score: 11

3:22pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
To all those saying the town is dead please see A419 and other out roads.
Given the level of negativity to trying to improve the town I would suggest leaving.
There are many, many worse places to live.
If you do wish to stay and would like to affect political change may I suggest NO votes force it to lots drawn it makes as much sense as voting for something just because it is in opposition to something you dont like.
Your last comment is particularly interesting when related to this debate.

Davey Gravey doesn't appear to realise he's whole-heartedly supporting the Tory council's plans for Fleming Way.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: To all those saying the town is dead please see A419 and other out roads. Given the level of negativity to trying to improve the town I would suggest leaving. There are many, many worse places to live. If you do wish to stay and would like to affect political change may I suggest NO votes force it to lots drawn it makes as much sense as voting for something just because it is in opposition to something you dont like.[/p][/quote]Your last comment is particularly interesting when related to this debate. Davey Gravey doesn't appear to realise he's whole-heartedly supporting the Tory council's plans for Fleming Way. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

4:11pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets?
Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours?
Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus.
Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips.
I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies.
Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?
Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere?

The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there.

If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.
Matron he`s out again!!!!!!
That wasnt the question now was it?
What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars?
Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people?
Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter.
All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you?
I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service.
Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?[/p][/quote]Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets? Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours? Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus. Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips. I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies. Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere? The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there. If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.[/p][/quote]Matron he`s out again!!!!!! That wasnt the question now was it? What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars? Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people? Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter. All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you? I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service. Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -11

4:33pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Swindon_AOK wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion.
Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?
Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it.

The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way?

Fleming way as a bus station?
Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.
These plans have been available for the public to view for years. Forward Swindon ran several public consultations on Kimmerfields (Union Square).

Whether it is a good idea to regrade Fleming Way is debatable. But the only way Muse will build Kimmerfields is if they think it is commercially viable. It is all about FOOTFALL. Building a new office/commercial zone which sits as an island detached from the retail core is a no-go.

The idea is so extend the town centre to the east by connecting Kimmerfields to the retail core and removing the offputting underpass in the process. The only way to do this is regrade the road.

Once you regrade the road then you have the challenge of navigating a busy dual carriageway to get from one side to the other. Again, a no-go. If you make the road buses-only, along with pedestrian friendly street furniture, the idea is that you drive footfall from the core to Kimmerfields, ultimately making the commercial and retail offering there economically viable. If retailers think it's viable, they sign leases to open stores. If not, the scheme is DOA.

Have you ever been to Exeter? It's a bit like the main street there - open to buses and pedestrians and they share the space. It works quite well.

In Swindon it may have the effect of driving traffic out of the core, but I think the planners are more concerned with getting footfall into Kimmerfields than inconveniencing the average motorist.

You have to ask yourself, do you want to throw all the plans out yet again and start from scratch, leading to another 20 year delay in regeneration (the Labour Group approach) or do you proceed with Muse and make the best of it and hopefully create a new town centre quarter with an upmarket offering (the Tory approach).

Having lived here for 20 years and seeing nothing happening, I know which of those I'd rather have......a lot of Swindon folk however seem to relish moaning about everything - moan if no progress, moan at every opportunity to do something!
Honestly dont care who`s idea it is / was as long as something is happening and there is a structured approach to regeneration.
The town badly needs new investment not just the businesses but workers actually building the project.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon_AOK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion. Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?[/p][/quote]Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it. The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way? Fleming way as a bus station? Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.[/p][/quote]These plans have been available for the public to view for years. Forward Swindon ran several public consultations on Kimmerfields (Union Square). Whether it is a good idea to regrade Fleming Way is debatable. But the only way Muse will build Kimmerfields is if they think it is commercially viable. It is all about FOOTFALL. Building a new office/commercial zone which sits as an island detached from the retail core is a no-go. The idea is so extend the town centre to the east by connecting Kimmerfields to the retail core and removing the offputting underpass in the process. The only way to do this is regrade the road. Once you regrade the road then you have the challenge of navigating a busy dual carriageway to get from one side to the other. Again, a no-go. If you make the road buses-only, along with pedestrian friendly street furniture, the idea is that you drive footfall from the core to Kimmerfields, ultimately making the commercial and retail offering there economically viable. If retailers think it's viable, they sign leases to open stores. If not, the scheme is DOA. Have you ever been to Exeter? It's a bit like the main street there - open to buses and pedestrians and they share the space. It works quite well. In Swindon it may have the effect of driving traffic out of the core, but I think the planners are more concerned with getting footfall into Kimmerfields than inconveniencing the average motorist. You have to ask yourself, do you want to throw all the plans out yet again and start from scratch, leading to another 20 year delay in regeneration (the Labour Group approach) or do you proceed with Muse and make the best of it and hopefully create a new town centre quarter with an upmarket offering (the Tory approach). Having lived here for 20 years and seeing nothing happening, I know which of those I'd rather have......a lot of Swindon folk however seem to relish moaning about everything - moan if no progress, moan at every opportunity to do something![/p][/quote]Honestly dont care who`s idea it is / was as long as something is happening and there is a structured approach to regeneration. The town badly needs new investment not just the businesses but workers actually building the project. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

4:43pm Tue 4 Mar 14

SwindonWatcher says...

Swindon_AOK wrote:
SwindonWatcher wrote:
Swindon is dead......has been for years. As soon as the kids are a little older we are off.....
Good luck with that. Sadly I think you will find that living in Swindon for any extended period of time will have damaged your chances of being able to go anywhere better.

House prices in Swindon have barely moved due to oversupply, whereas most of the rest of south England has surged ahead. Taking the example of many folks with a 4 bed detached in North Swindon, it's likely capped around £250k and has been for years. What can you buy with £250k elsewhere? Not a lot is the answer...
Believe me, that is not a problem......we are just waiting for them to leave school and then bye bye SwineDown!!!
[quote][p][bold]Swindon_AOK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwindonWatcher[/bold] wrote: Swindon is dead......has been for years. As soon as the kids are a little older we are off.....[/p][/quote]Good luck with that. Sadly I think you will find that living in Swindon for any extended period of time will have damaged your chances of being able to go anywhere better. House prices in Swindon have barely moved due to oversupply, whereas most of the rest of south England has surged ahead. Taking the example of many folks with a 4 bed detached in North Swindon, it's likely capped around £250k and has been for years. What can you buy with £250k elsewhere? Not a lot is the answer...[/p][/quote]Believe me, that is not a problem......we are just waiting for them to leave school and then bye bye SwineDown!!! SwindonWatcher
  • Score: 0

4:43pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets?
Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours?
Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus.
Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips.
I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies.
Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?
Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere?

The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there.

If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.
Matron he`s out again!!!!!!
That wasnt the question now was it?
What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars?
Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people?
Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter.
All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you?
I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service.
Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?
What's more selfish, me using my car as and when I need to, or you telling me I shouldn't use it as and when I need to?

I will walk the journeys I choose to walk and I'll drive the ones I choose to drive - is that plain, simple and clear enough for you?

What makes you think I would decide to use the bus because YOU think it's better that I do?

Get a grip.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?[/p][/quote]Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets? Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours? Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus. Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips. I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies. Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere? The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there. If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.[/p][/quote]Matron he`s out again!!!!!! That wasnt the question now was it? What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars? Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people? Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter. All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you? I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service. Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?[/p][/quote]What's more selfish, me using my car as and when I need to, or you telling me I shouldn't use it as and when I need to? I will walk the journeys I choose to walk and I'll drive the ones I choose to drive - is that plain, simple and clear enough for you? What makes you think I would decide to use the bus because YOU think it's better that I do? Get a grip. ChannelX
  • Score: 9

4:44pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
To all those saying the town is dead please see A419 and other out roads.
Given the level of negativity to trying to improve the town I would suggest leaving.
There are many, many worse places to live.
If you do wish to stay and would like to affect political change may I suggest NO votes force it to lots drawn it makes as much sense as voting for something just because it is in opposition to something you dont like.
Your last comment is particularly interesting when related to this debate.

Davey Gravey doesn't appear to realise he's whole-heartedly supporting the Tory council's plans for Fleming Way.
The proposal is Fleming way rather than A419?
If you dont like something change it or your circumstance whining like a child that "dont like it" solves nothing and only creates bitter little people...oh I see as you are ChanX.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: To all those saying the town is dead please see A419 and other out roads. Given the level of negativity to trying to improve the town I would suggest leaving. There are many, many worse places to live. If you do wish to stay and would like to affect political change may I suggest NO votes force it to lots drawn it makes as much sense as voting for something just because it is in opposition to something you dont like.[/p][/quote]Your last comment is particularly interesting when related to this debate. Davey Gravey doesn't appear to realise he's whole-heartedly supporting the Tory council's plans for Fleming Way.[/p][/quote]The proposal is Fleming way rather than A419? If you dont like something change it or your circumstance whining like a child that "dont like it" solves nothing and only creates bitter little people...oh I see as you are ChanX. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -4

5:01pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
To all those saying the town is dead please see A419 and other out roads.
Given the level of negativity to trying to improve the town I would suggest leaving.
There are many, many worse places to live.
If you do wish to stay and would like to affect political change may I suggest NO votes force it to lots drawn it makes as much sense as voting for something just because it is in opposition to something you dont like.
Your last comment is particularly interesting when related to this debate.

Davey Gravey doesn't appear to realise he's whole-heartedly supporting the Tory council's plans for Fleming Way.
The proposal is Fleming way rather than A419?
If you dont like something change it or your circumstance whining like a child that "dont like it" solves nothing and only creates bitter little people...oh I see as you are ChanX.
What are you even talking about?

What has the A419 got to do with anything?

Your last point makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, given that I've just - quite clearly - told you that I will continue to drive my car where I like, when I like, regardless what you may think or say about it.

I'm not bitter, trust me, I'm just marvelling at your (barely) stream of consciousness rants that seem to have almost nothing to do with anything what other people are discussing.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: To all those saying the town is dead please see A419 and other out roads. Given the level of negativity to trying to improve the town I would suggest leaving. There are many, many worse places to live. If you do wish to stay and would like to affect political change may I suggest NO votes force it to lots drawn it makes as much sense as voting for something just because it is in opposition to something you dont like.[/p][/quote]Your last comment is particularly interesting when related to this debate. Davey Gravey doesn't appear to realise he's whole-heartedly supporting the Tory council's plans for Fleming Way.[/p][/quote]The proposal is Fleming way rather than A419? If you dont like something change it or your circumstance whining like a child that "dont like it" solves nothing and only creates bitter little people...oh I see as you are ChanX.[/p][/quote]What are you even talking about? What has the A419 got to do with anything? Your last point makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, given that I've just - quite clearly - told you that I will continue to drive my car where I like, when I like, regardless what you may think or say about it. I'm not bitter, trust me, I'm just marvelling at your (barely) stream of consciousness rants that seem to have almost nothing to do with anything what other people are discussing. ChannelX
  • Score: 4

5:02pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets?
Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours?
Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus.
Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips.
I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies.
Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?
Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere?

The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there.

If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.
Matron he`s out again!!!!!!
That wasnt the question now was it?
What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars?
Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people?
Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter.
All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you?
I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service.
Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?
What's more selfish, me using my car as and when I need to, or you telling me I shouldn't use it as and when I need to?

I will walk the journeys I choose to walk and I'll drive the ones I choose to drive - is that plain, simple and clear enough for you?

What makes you think I would decide to use the bus because YOU think it's better that I do?

Get a grip.
Erm....its a discussion forum?
The point is to put forward your opinion.
At no stage did I tell you to do anything I made a suggestion based on the article above and your own comments.....is there a different approach I am missing to a discussion forum?

I explained my approach to transport and journeys I make in relation to the article and how I thought it could tie in. Once again your shout shout and shout again attitude prevents you from reading the comments properly in your rush to type more drivel but you are of course always right due to your "life experience"

You still havent answered the question.

You asked if it makes you selfish honestly I dont know you well enough to comment on that although many of your comments do make you other things.

I think if public transport was used by more people it would prevent allot of traffic build up as there would be less traffic on the road. I did also state that it may not be possible for every journey and that cars are vital depending your your circumstance (you dont read the comments that arent to you do you?) but it is not vital to use it for every journey.
please keep up.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?[/p][/quote]Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets? Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours? Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus. Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips. I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies. Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere? The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there. If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.[/p][/quote]Matron he`s out again!!!!!! That wasnt the question now was it? What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars? Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people? Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter. All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you? I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service. Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?[/p][/quote]What's more selfish, me using my car as and when I need to, or you telling me I shouldn't use it as and when I need to? I will walk the journeys I choose to walk and I'll drive the ones I choose to drive - is that plain, simple and clear enough for you? What makes you think I would decide to use the bus because YOU think it's better that I do? Get a grip.[/p][/quote]Erm....its a discussion forum? The point is to put forward your opinion. At no stage did I tell you to do anything I made a suggestion based on the article above and your own comments.....is there a different approach I am missing to a discussion forum? I explained my approach to transport and journeys I make in relation to the article and how I thought it could tie in. Once again your shout shout and shout again attitude prevents you from reading the comments properly in your rush to type more drivel but you are of course always right due to your "life experience" You still havent answered the question. You asked if it makes you selfish honestly I dont know you well enough to comment on that although many of your comments do make you other things. I think if public transport was used by more people it would prevent allot of traffic build up as there would be less traffic on the road. I did also state that it may not be possible for every journey and that cars are vital depending your your circumstance (you dont read the comments that arent to you do you?) but it is not vital to use it for every journey. please keep up. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
To all those saying the town is dead please see A419 and other out roads.
Given the level of negativity to trying to improve the town I would suggest leaving.
There are many, many worse places to live.
If you do wish to stay and would like to affect political change may I suggest NO votes force it to lots drawn it makes as much sense as voting for something just because it is in opposition to something you dont like.
Your last comment is particularly interesting when related to this debate.

Davey Gravey doesn't appear to realise he's whole-heartedly supporting the Tory council's plans for Fleming Way.
The proposal is Fleming way rather than A419?
If you dont like something change it or your circumstance whining like a child that "dont like it" solves nothing and only creates bitter little people...oh I see as you are ChanX.
What are you even talking about?

What has the A419 got to do with anything?

Your last point makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, given that I've just - quite clearly - told you that I will continue to drive my car where I like, when I like, regardless what you may think or say about it.

I'm not bitter, trust me, I'm just marvelling at your (barely) stream of consciousness rants that seem to have almost nothing to do with anything what other people are discussing.
Like a little lemon x
you replied saying that my comment was interesting particularly when related to this debate?
If you would like to look at your comment above it will become clear.
I then referenced my point to reply to your "comment"

Are you quoting something I told you last week? about not having any relevance to the topics in question.
" told you that I will continue to drive my car where I like, when I like, regardless what you may think or say about it."
and well done to you, your angry at an annon forum that will change nothing.

It would be fun to go back through threads and see how many times you make exactly the same argument then recycle comments made towards you against other people.

You are quite grumpy today arent you ask matron for more custard? makes me feel better.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: To all those saying the town is dead please see A419 and other out roads. Given the level of negativity to trying to improve the town I would suggest leaving. There are many, many worse places to live. If you do wish to stay and would like to affect political change may I suggest NO votes force it to lots drawn it makes as much sense as voting for something just because it is in opposition to something you dont like.[/p][/quote]Your last comment is particularly interesting when related to this debate. Davey Gravey doesn't appear to realise he's whole-heartedly supporting the Tory council's plans for Fleming Way.[/p][/quote]The proposal is Fleming way rather than A419? If you dont like something change it or your circumstance whining like a child that "dont like it" solves nothing and only creates bitter little people...oh I see as you are ChanX.[/p][/quote]What are you even talking about? What has the A419 got to do with anything? Your last point makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, given that I've just - quite clearly - told you that I will continue to drive my car where I like, when I like, regardless what you may think or say about it. I'm not bitter, trust me, I'm just marvelling at your (barely) stream of consciousness rants that seem to have almost nothing to do with anything what other people are discussing.[/p][/quote]Like a little lemon x you replied saying that my comment was interesting particularly when related to this debate? If you would like to look at your comment above it will become clear. I then referenced my point to reply to your "comment" Are you quoting something I told you last week? about not having any relevance to the topics in question. " told you that I will continue to drive my car where I like, when I like, regardless what you may think or say about it." and well done to you, your angry at an annon forum that will change nothing. It would be fun to go back through threads and see how many times you make exactly the same argument then recycle comments made towards you against other people. You are quite grumpy today arent you ask matron for more custard? makes me feel better. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Amazing.
Amazing. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

5:21pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets?
Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours?
Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus.
Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips.
I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies.
Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?
Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere?

The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there.

If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.
Matron he`s out again!!!!!!
That wasnt the question now was it?
What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars?
Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people?
Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter.
All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you?
I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service.
Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?
What's more selfish, me using my car as and when I need to, or you telling me I shouldn't use it as and when I need to?

I will walk the journeys I choose to walk and I'll drive the ones I choose to drive - is that plain, simple and clear enough for you?

What makes you think I would decide to use the bus because YOU think it's better that I do?

Get a grip.
Tell me again about how your comment have greater validity than another because you have been using this forum longer??
As a side note is your name taken from the adult channel of the same name?

Without even hitting refresh to find out you still havent answered the question,
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?[/p][/quote]Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets? Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours? Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus. Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips. I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies. Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere? The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there. If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.[/p][/quote]Matron he`s out again!!!!!! That wasnt the question now was it? What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars? Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people? Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter. All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you? I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service. Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?[/p][/quote]What's more selfish, me using my car as and when I need to, or you telling me I shouldn't use it as and when I need to? I will walk the journeys I choose to walk and I'll drive the ones I choose to drive - is that plain, simple and clear enough for you? What makes you think I would decide to use the bus because YOU think it's better that I do? Get a grip.[/p][/quote]Tell me again about how your comment have greater validity than another because you have been using this forum longer?? As a side note is your name taken from the adult channel of the same name? Without even hitting refresh to find out you still havent answered the question, Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

5:24pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets?
Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours?
Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus.
Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips.
I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies.
Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?
Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere?

The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there.

If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.
Matron he`s out again!!!!!!
That wasnt the question now was it?
What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars?
Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people?
Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter.
All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you?
I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service.
Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?
What's more selfish, me using my car as and when I need to, or you telling me I shouldn't use it as and when I need to?

I will walk the journeys I choose to walk and I'll drive the ones I choose to drive - is that plain, simple and clear enough for you?

What makes you think I would decide to use the bus because YOU think it's better that I do?

Get a grip.
Tell me again about how your comment have greater validity than another because you have been using this forum longer??
As a side note is your name taken from the adult channel of the same name?

Without even hitting refresh to find out you still havent answered the question,
You've asked about 20 questions, each one of them less coherent than the last.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?[/p][/quote]Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets? Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours? Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus. Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips. I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies. Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere? The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there. If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.[/p][/quote]Matron he`s out again!!!!!! That wasnt the question now was it? What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars? Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people? Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter. All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you? I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service. Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?[/p][/quote]What's more selfish, me using my car as and when I need to, or you telling me I shouldn't use it as and when I need to? I will walk the journeys I choose to walk and I'll drive the ones I choose to drive - is that plain, simple and clear enough for you? What makes you think I would decide to use the bus because YOU think it's better that I do? Get a grip.[/p][/quote]Tell me again about how your comment have greater validity than another because you have been using this forum longer?? As a side note is your name taken from the adult channel of the same name? Without even hitting refresh to find out you still havent answered the question,[/p][/quote]You've asked about 20 questions, each one of them less coherent than the last. ChannelX
  • Score: 2

5:28pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Amazing.
Yep still didnt answer the question and again with the thumbs why do you care about thumbs up or down when you vote for your own comment I am glad you agree with your own comments but thats not the issue is it?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Amazing.[/p][/quote]Yep still didnt answer the question and again with the thumbs why do you care about thumbs up or down when you vote for your own comment I am glad you agree with your own comments but thats not the issue is it? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -3

5:32pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:

Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please


What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over?

Yes, how very selfish of them.

Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?
Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets?
Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours?
Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus.
Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips.
I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies.
Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?
Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere?

The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there.

If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.
Matron he`s out again!!!!!!
That wasnt the question now was it?
What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars?
Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people?
Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter.
All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you?
I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service.
Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?
What's more selfish, me using my car as and when I need to, or you telling me I shouldn't use it as and when I need to?

I will walk the journeys I choose to walk and I'll drive the ones I choose to drive - is that plain, simple and clear enough for you?

What makes you think I would decide to use the bus because YOU think it's better that I do?

Get a grip.
Tell me again about how your comment have greater validity than another because you have been using this forum longer??
As a side note is your name taken from the adult channel of the same name?

Without even hitting refresh to find out you still havent answered the question,
You've asked about 20 questions, each one of them less coherent than the last.
Once again then, what is better for the town

one bus
or
thirty five cars
?

It wont let me use bright colors or highlight so thought this might make it easier.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote] Unfortunately selfish car drivers expect to be able to do as they please [/quote] What, like driving down the roads they've paid for numerous times over? Yes, how very selfish of them. Still, as long as buses can run around town unhindered but almost completely empty for most of the day, who cares?[/p][/quote]Arent we ALL supposed to be trying to help the environment and our pockets? Irrelevant of drivers rights, yes we have paid to use the roads but who really wants to sit in traffic for hours? Personally I dont think there is anywhere you cant walk to in Swindon so more than happy to leave the car get some exercise or if its raining get the bus. Car is for longer journeys and weekly shopping type trips. I think the point has been made a few times now that bus availability needs to be looked at which size and when buses are running this would not be difficult to do as figures for passengers are available to the bus companies. Simple question what is better for the town a bus with 40 people on it or 35 cars?[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting that I should be forced to pay VED, massive duty and VAT on petrol, MOT my car, insure my car... and then not drive it anywhere? The reason I own and run a car is so that I can drive to where I want to go, when I want to go there. If that makes me 'selfish', so be it, because I can't actually see what other reason there might be for owning a car.[/p][/quote]Matron he`s out again!!!!!! That wasnt the question now was it? What is better for the TOWN (not you individually) one bus or 35 cars? Do you make different journeys everyday? Outside of available routes that with a little planning and thought would be cheaper than running a car or is it that your general hate everything tactic means you do not want to share a bus with other people? Lazy attitude if it doesnt effect you personally it doesnt matter. All of the points you made are your car MOT, VAT etc is all your choice you knew that before buying your car didnt you? I use my car for journeys I cant walk to, cant carry back from or buses do not service. Is it your age that prevents you from walking anywhere or your attitude?[/p][/quote]What's more selfish, me using my car as and when I need to, or you telling me I shouldn't use it as and when I need to? I will walk the journeys I choose to walk and I'll drive the ones I choose to drive - is that plain, simple and clear enough for you? What makes you think I would decide to use the bus because YOU think it's better that I do? Get a grip.[/p][/quote]Tell me again about how your comment have greater validity than another because you have been using this forum longer?? As a side note is your name taken from the adult channel of the same name? Without even hitting refresh to find out you still havent answered the question,[/p][/quote]You've asked about 20 questions, each one of them less coherent than the last.[/p][/quote]Once again then, what is better for the town one bus or thirty five cars ? It wont let me use bright colors or highlight so thought this might make it easier. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

5:42pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Swindon_AOK says...

SwindonWatcher wrote:
Swindon_AOK wrote:
SwindonWatcher wrote:
Swindon is dead......has been for years. As soon as the kids are a little older we are off.....
Good luck with that. Sadly I think you will find that living in Swindon for any extended period of time will have damaged your chances of being able to go anywhere better.

House prices in Swindon have barely moved due to oversupply, whereas most of the rest of south England has surged ahead. Taking the example of many folks with a 4 bed detached in North Swindon, it's likely capped around £250k and has been for years. What can you buy with £250k elsewhere? Not a lot is the answer...
Believe me, that is not a problem......we are just waiting for them to leave school and then bye bye SwineDown!!!
If that is not a problem for you, then I wonder why you moved to Swindon in the first place, pre-kids, when there are so many better places to live! Nothing has changed in 20 years so what has changed for you?
[quote][p][bold]SwindonWatcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon_AOK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwindonWatcher[/bold] wrote: Swindon is dead......has been for years. As soon as the kids are a little older we are off.....[/p][/quote]Good luck with that. Sadly I think you will find that living in Swindon for any extended period of time will have damaged your chances of being able to go anywhere better. House prices in Swindon have barely moved due to oversupply, whereas most of the rest of south England has surged ahead. Taking the example of many folks with a 4 bed detached in North Swindon, it's likely capped around £250k and has been for years. What can you buy with £250k elsewhere? Not a lot is the answer...[/p][/quote]Believe me, that is not a problem......we are just waiting for them to leave school and then bye bye SwineDown!!![/p][/quote]If that is not a problem for you, then I wonder why you moved to Swindon in the first place, pre-kids, when there are so many better places to live! Nothing has changed in 20 years so what has changed for you? Swindon_AOK
  • Score: -1

6:50pm Tue 4 Mar 14

madreeves says...

“In the summertime we will apply to the court for permission to shut the road to traffic. They will then run their own consultation so the views of people who use the roads can be gathered.” Bit ambiguous. Does that mean the Council will make the application and the Court will do a consultation? Obviously not. Why not do a consultation before making an application for closure? Surely the application outcome hasn't already been decided ....?
“In the summertime we will apply to the court for permission to shut the road to traffic. They will then run their own consultation so the views of people who use the roads can be gathered.” Bit ambiguous. Does that mean the Council will make the application and the Court will do a consultation? Obviously not. Why not do a consultation before making an application for closure? Surely the application outcome hasn't already been decided ....? madreeves
  • Score: 1

7:12pm Tue 4 Mar 14

AdderB says...

A few points in no particular order.

The new layout of whale bridge is bonkers. It forces drivers to double back at Halfords when coming from manchester road then drive around past the Crown Court. This is a waste of fuel and dangerous as cars have to give way . It was perfectly Ok as it was . What a waste of time and Tax payers money.
If the council is so hell bent on Public transport , why has it just spent upteem millions on a new Multi storey car park when we already had at least 3 in use?
Park and ride has been tried and for the most part failed. how many ex park and ride sites do we need ?
many people do drive to town for their jobs , and if coming from outside Swindon , will find the bus service totally inadequate.
A few points in no particular order. The new layout of whale bridge is bonkers. It forces drivers to double back at Halfords when coming from manchester road then drive around past the Crown Court. This is a waste of fuel and dangerous as cars have to give way . It was perfectly Ok as it was . What a waste of time and Tax payers money. If the council is so hell bent on Public transport , why has it just spent upteem millions on a new Multi storey car park when we already had at least 3 in use? Park and ride has been tried and for the most part failed. how many ex park and ride sites do we need ? many people do drive to town for their jobs , and if coming from outside Swindon , will find the bus service totally inadequate. AdderB
  • Score: 2

7:26pm Tue 4 Mar 14

villageoldman says...

In the 70s worked in the town centre, good shops , plenty of choice. Now haven't set foot there for 4 years, rather drive to a place with character , heritage, and style , sadly all missing in Swindon.
In the 70s worked in the town centre, good shops , plenty of choice. Now haven't set foot there for 4 years, rather drive to a place with character , heritage, and style , sadly all missing in Swindon. villageoldman
  • Score: 2

7:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Red_jools says...

The main problem for people to understand is how the Council has got into a situation where it is trying to make the centre an attractive place to visit, but the road system doesn't allow easy access for anything other than two wheelers. There is no strategy for motor vehicle movements into and out of Swindon centre. The Whalebridge changes still cause problems for drivers coming from East and South East Swindon and this also has a knock on effect to travellers coming from the northern parts.Swindon is an Conservative leadership which makes policy on the hoof with little planning and only consults once it has made its decision on what should happen, by which time loads of money has been spent working up the 'idiotic' schemes and then the Tory cabinet will argue that to change now would cost even more money. Can't wait to see what the others can do, maybe they will actually come in with a blank sheet and consult on what people really want and need.
The main problem for people to understand is how the Council has got into a situation where it is trying to make the centre an attractive place to visit, but the road system doesn't allow easy access for anything other than two wheelers. There is no strategy for motor vehicle movements into and out of Swindon centre. The Whalebridge changes still cause problems for drivers coming from East and South East Swindon and this also has a knock on effect to travellers coming from the northern parts.Swindon is an Conservative leadership which makes policy on the hoof with little planning and only consults once it has made its decision on what should happen, by which time loads of money has been spent working up the 'idiotic' schemes and then the Tory cabinet will argue that to change now would cost even more money. Can't wait to see what the others can do, maybe they will actually come in with a blank sheet and consult on what people really want and need. Red_jools
  • Score: -1

7:30pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Dickdock says...

Well suicide borough council, or not forward thinking swindon or whoever is in charge now a days,
Why are you trying to damage the trade of the town centre, you have created a bottleneck at the whalebridge junction, traffic can't flow around the area, you have pushed more traffic down Manchester road, because of the system around whalebridge,
Who is really thinking this through,
People want to drive to the town centre accept it, it reality, that is why you build car parks, the way to reduce pollution is to have cars moving not sitting still,
Of course I am sure some will say the way to reduce pollution is to stop cars driving in the town centre, and I am sure someone in the council would like that to happen, but it's not going to happen,
I have lived here all my life, and I wouldn't mind betting it takes longer to get around the town centre now than it did 20 years ago, not because there is more cars, but due to the redicoulous road scheme
The high street is dying we are all told, it is down to internet shopping, I am sure there are more people shopping on the internet, than shopping in town centres,
But if this is the case, why is it that the towns and city,s surrounding swindon are always busy and swindon is not,
Don't bother wasting you breath with all the usual remarks of because it is chavy, because it only has pound shops, that is not the case,
Retailers have chosen not to open shops in Swindon, and the reason for this is footfall, and ease of getting into the town centre,
Yes it is easy to get into the town centre on the Bus
I DONT WANT TO TRAVEL ON THE BUS.
So Swindon whatever you are work it out and cater for all not just the buses

Oh and before I go, if you don't don't like Swindon, don't live here, if you do live here, then you are here for a reason, that might be because it gives you employment, it might be because you can't afford to live somewhere else, there is nothing wrong with SWINDON as a place to live, I could give you a long list of other places to live if you want.
For most of us this is our home born bred and proud of it
Well suicide borough council, or not forward thinking swindon or whoever is in charge now a days, Why are you trying to damage the trade of the town centre, you have created a bottleneck at the whalebridge junction, traffic can't flow around the area, you have pushed more traffic down Manchester road, because of the system around whalebridge, Who is really thinking this through, People want to drive to the town centre accept it, it reality, that is why you build car parks, the way to reduce pollution is to have cars moving not sitting still, Of course I am sure some will say the way to reduce pollution is to stop cars driving in the town centre, and I am sure someone in the council would like that to happen, but it's not going to happen, I have lived here all my life, and I wouldn't mind betting it takes longer to get around the town centre now than it did 20 years ago, not because there is more cars, but due to the redicoulous road scheme The high street is dying we are all told, it is down to internet shopping, I am sure there are more people shopping on the internet, than shopping in town centres, But if this is the case, why is it that the towns and city,s surrounding swindon are always busy and swindon is not, Don't bother wasting you breath with all the usual remarks of because it is chavy, because it only has pound shops, that is not the case, Retailers have chosen not to open shops in Swindon, and the reason for this is footfall, and ease of getting into the town centre, Yes it is easy to get into the town centre on the Bus I DONT WANT TO TRAVEL ON THE BUS. So Swindon whatever you are work it out and cater for all not just the buses Oh and before I go, if you don't don't like Swindon, don't live here, if you do live here, then you are here for a reason, that might be because it gives you employment, it might be because you can't afford to live somewhere else, there is nothing wrong with SWINDON as a place to live, I could give you a long list of other places to live if you want. For most of us this is our home born bred and proud of it Dickdock
  • Score: 8

8:12pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Davey Gravey says...

Thumb fiddling overdrive today. Have to laugh really at the desperation
Thumb fiddling overdrive today. Have to laugh really at the desperation Davey Gravey
  • Score: -4

8:46pm Tue 4 Mar 14

faatmaan says...

the ton centre is fast becoming inaccessible by car anyway, on street parking in the centre is now virtually all been given over to residents , even if they did choose to live there and have gardens to park their cars in. Swindon town centre is now just an island for people to drive round as they head to the various out of town stores, where parking is free and less restrictive. Why is so much room being given to an ever decreasing bus service that in some cases does no even cover some parts of Swindon, hardly an integrated traffic policy, so why the case for the bus, on the bus it would cost my wife and I at least £6 to go to town and back, hardly affordable when we get 4 hours for £2 in certain car parks, again smoke and mirrors are being used to hide what is really going on, or who has vested interests ?
the ton centre is fast becoming inaccessible by car anyway, on street parking in the centre is now virtually all been given over to residents , even if they did choose to live there and have gardens to park their cars in. Swindon town centre is now just an island for people to drive round as they head to the various out of town stores, where parking is free and less restrictive. Why is so much room being given to an ever decreasing bus service that in some cases does no even cover some parts of Swindon, hardly an integrated traffic policy, so why the case for the bus, on the bus it would cost my wife and I at least £6 to go to town and back, hardly affordable when we get 4 hours for £2 in certain car parks, again smoke and mirrors are being used to hide what is really going on, or who has vested interests ? faatmaan
  • Score: 0

9:11pm Tue 4 Mar 14

PJC says...

beach1e wrote:
its amazing the amount of people who live in Swindon, particularly the north of the town who don't go into the town centre because its a dump when you get there, beggars and dossers, mostly awful shops and it can take 40 odd minutes to get there. Bath ,Cirencester and Bristol are all so much better places to shop, so well done Swindon Council for keeping the faith and helping to keep the town in the grotty depths that it has sunk to.As for travelling in by bus, a more smelly uncomfortable experience I haven't encountered before.
So it's 'I'm alright Jack' is it? and **** the rest of the people who have no choice but to shop in the centre.....
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: its amazing the amount of people who live in Swindon, particularly the north of the town who don't go into the town centre because its a dump when you get there, beggars and dossers, mostly awful shops and it can take 40 odd minutes to get there. Bath ,Cirencester and Bristol are all so much better places to shop, so well done Swindon Council for keeping the faith and helping to keep the town in the grotty depths that it has sunk to.As for travelling in by bus, a more smelly uncomfortable experience I haven't encountered before.[/p][/quote]So it's 'I'm alright Jack' is it? and **** the rest of the people who have no choice but to shop in the centre..... PJC
  • Score: -2

5:25am Wed 5 Mar 14

M4 by pass says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion.
Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?
Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it.

The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way?

Fleming way as a bus station?
Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.
The opportunity to encourage people to visit the town centre has gone, First priority should have been a transport hub based at the train station, as this can't be moved. next to the station should be the bus station, including National Express and Stage Coach. taxi rank, good car drop off and pick up a car park and easy access for cyclist. instead we have flat exposed car park next to the railway exit down stairs along a narrow path to the station. To get from train to bus will be a even further walk across wind swept concourses. for a car drop off to the proposed bus station or train is not going to be easy especially from north or east. with ALL traffic supposed to funnel down Corporation Street. Is the perfectly designed Whalebridge junction going to change to allow traffic from the east to turn right to get to the station? or will it have to go down Princess Street turn right at the lights find somewhere to do a U turn come back through the lights to go up the Corporation Street a real pleasure to drive down giving a first class impression of Swindon. a min roundabout, a brick facia which should have blown over in the recent gales, shops that leave their racking and litter outside at all times. through more lights more light more lights to get to the station drop off up stairs exposed to the elements. i moved here over 30 years ago believing this town was forward thinking!
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion. Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?[/p][/quote]Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it. The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way? Fleming way as a bus station? Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.[/p][/quote]The opportunity to encourage people to visit the town centre has gone, First priority should have been a transport hub based at the train station, as this can't be moved. next to the station should be the bus station, including National Express and Stage Coach. taxi rank, good car drop off and pick up a car park and easy access for cyclist. instead we have flat exposed car park next to the railway exit down stairs along a narrow path to the station. To get from train to bus will be a even further walk across wind swept concourses. for a car drop off to the proposed bus station or train is not going to be easy especially from north or east. with ALL traffic supposed to funnel down Corporation Street. Is the perfectly designed Whalebridge junction going to change to allow traffic from the east to turn right to get to the station? or will it have to go down Princess Street turn right at the lights find somewhere to do a U turn come back through the lights to go up the Corporation Street a real pleasure to drive down giving a first class impression of Swindon. a min roundabout, a brick facia which should have blown over in the recent gales, shops that leave their racking and litter outside at all times. through more lights more light more lights to get to the station drop off up stairs exposed to the elements. i moved here over 30 years ago believing this town was forward thinking! M4 by pass
  • Score: 1

9:54am Wed 5 Mar 14

Oldtownmum says...

They can close all the roads they want. Nothing will make me wait on a bus stop to use a smelly bus that goes around the houses when I can get in my car and drive myself in comfort.
They can close all the roads they want. Nothing will make me wait on a bus stop to use a smelly bus that goes around the houses when I can get in my car and drive myself in comfort. Oldtownmum
  • Score: 0

10:09am Wed 5 Mar 14

Oldtownmum says...

I started off reading these comments until about half way when the petty bickering and badgering started up again. What is up with these ridiculous men (my guess is post retirement aged, bored, frustrated men) who need their heads banging together. Every article is the same, it's so boring. Go and start your own 'grumpy old g1t' forum.
I started off reading these comments until about half way when the petty bickering and badgering started up again. What is up with these ridiculous men (my guess is post retirement aged, bored, frustrated men) who need their heads banging together. Every article is the same, it's so boring. Go and start your own 'grumpy old g1t' forum. Oldtownmum
  • Score: 0

10:47am Wed 5 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

PJC wrote:
beach1e wrote:
its amazing the amount of people who live in Swindon, particularly the north of the town who don't go into the town centre because its a dump when you get there, beggars and dossers, mostly awful shops and it can take 40 odd minutes to get there. Bath ,Cirencester and Bristol are all so much better places to shop, so well done Swindon Council for keeping the faith and helping to keep the town in the grotty depths that it has sunk to.As for travelling in by bus, a more smelly uncomfortable experience I haven't encountered before.
So it's 'I'm alright Jack' is it? and **** the rest of the people who have no choice but to shop in the centre.....
Welcome to Swindon.
Vast majority have heads firmly wedged into their own bottoms, they stay to feel superior (what ever that is) to what is perceived as lower classes.
There is work here, houses are a reasonable price compared to many areas, plenty of schools and leisure centers to use. Historic sites and rich local history but we wont look at that. Far better to complain about dog owners and "chavs". Keyboard political parties.
Many of the comments about the perils of the town are the same in many, many other places around the country and world but so many here have never left Swindon let alone Wiltshire so easier to base opinions on the daily mail. Dont like where you are?
Change where you are or change your circumstance nobody is going to do it for you.

Have a look across some therads until a topic effects someone directly they really dont care.
Everyone fighting over scraps and missing bigger picture.

It will be dressed up as different arguments but many people really just want to look down on others to make their own excuse for a life "appear" better.
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: its amazing the amount of people who live in Swindon, particularly the north of the town who don't go into the town centre because its a dump when you get there, beggars and dossers, mostly awful shops and it can take 40 odd minutes to get there. Bath ,Cirencester and Bristol are all so much better places to shop, so well done Swindon Council for keeping the faith and helping to keep the town in the grotty depths that it has sunk to.As for travelling in by bus, a more smelly uncomfortable experience I haven't encountered before.[/p][/quote]So it's 'I'm alright Jack' is it? and **** the rest of the people who have no choice but to shop in the centre.....[/p][/quote]Welcome to Swindon. Vast majority have heads firmly wedged into their own bottoms, they stay to feel superior (what ever that is) to what is perceived as lower classes. There is work here, houses are a reasonable price compared to many areas, plenty of schools and leisure centers to use. Historic sites and rich local history but we wont look at that. Far better to complain about dog owners and "chavs". Keyboard political parties. Many of the comments about the perils of the town are the same in many, many other places around the country and world but so many here have never left Swindon let alone Wiltshire so easier to base opinions on the daily mail. Dont like where you are? Change where you are or change your circumstance nobody is going to do it for you. Have a look across some therads until a topic effects someone directly they really dont care. Everyone fighting over scraps and missing bigger picture. It will be dressed up as different arguments but many people really just want to look down on others to make their own excuse for a life "appear" better. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -3

11:20am Wed 5 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
They can close all the roads they want. Nothing will make me wait on a bus stop to use a smelly bus that goes around the houses when I can get in my car and drive myself in comfort.
Well done to you.
If the price of fares went up the bus service could be much improved....pay extra for better no way I heart you say.
So if it is not the bus is the issue more that you dont want to share a service that is actually better for all.
From reading the next comment had you made this comment before reading the page?

By the term public service you understand that its not just your opinion that counts though?
You wish to drive your car alone when a shared service lets call them buses would be better for environment, better for the town (financially) and surely would be cheaper than sitting alone in a car burning petrol in a traffic jam?

If its just that you dont want to sit near other people that is fine just say that rather than blaming "smelly" bus service. Considering you state others are petty your terminology is hardly grown up.
Just for giggles who were you referring to?
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: They can close all the roads they want. Nothing will make me wait on a bus stop to use a smelly bus that goes around the houses when I can get in my car and drive myself in comfort.[/p][/quote]Well done to you. If the price of fares went up the bus service could be much improved....pay extra for better no way I heart you say. So if it is not the bus is the issue more that you dont want to share a service that is actually better for all. From reading the next comment had you made this comment before reading the page? By the term public service you understand that its not just your opinion that counts though? You wish to drive your car alone when a shared service lets call them buses would be better for environment, better for the town (financially) and surely would be cheaper than sitting alone in a car burning petrol in a traffic jam? If its just that you dont want to sit near other people that is fine just say that rather than blaming "smelly" bus service. Considering you state others are petty your terminology is hardly grown up. Just for giggles who were you referring to? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

1:06pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Thumb fiddling overdrive today. Have to laugh really at the desperation
I dont understand who it is for?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Thumb fiddling overdrive today. Have to laugh really at the desperation[/p][/quote]I dont understand who it is for? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Amazing.
You do understand that the amount of thumbs does not mean you will be printed dont you my little lemon man ? x
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Amazing.[/p][/quote]You do understand that the amount of thumbs does not mean you will be printed dont you my little lemon man ? x Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

1:38pm Wed 5 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
They can close all the roads they want. Nothing will make me wait on a bus stop to use a smelly bus that goes around the houses when I can get in my car and drive myself in comfort.
Despite the negative "thumbs" you are absolutely correct. Why would someone who has paid so much to put their car on the road and can go when and where they want be likely to use the bus. And apart from those who work there, why exactly do people go into the centre or are we now just a town of pound and charity shop lovers with endless gambling shops and fast food outlets, just what is the attraction?
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: They can close all the roads they want. Nothing will make me wait on a bus stop to use a smelly bus that goes around the houses when I can get in my car and drive myself in comfort.[/p][/quote]Despite the negative "thumbs" you are absolutely correct. Why would someone who has paid so much to put their car on the road and can go when and where they want be likely to use the bus. And apart from those who work there, why exactly do people go into the centre or are we now just a town of pound and charity shop lovers with endless gambling shops and fast food outlets, just what is the attraction? house on the hill
  • Score: 0

3:56pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

house on the hill wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
They can close all the roads they want. Nothing will make me wait on a bus stop to use a smelly bus that goes around the houses when I can get in my car and drive myself in comfort.
Despite the negative "thumbs" you are absolutely correct. Why would someone who has paid so much to put their car on the road and can go when and where they want be likely to use the bus. And apart from those who work there, why exactly do people go into the centre or are we now just a town of pound and charity shop lovers with endless gambling shops and fast food outlets, just what is the attraction?
A wish to improve the community as a whole?
Naaaaaah why would anyone do that?
people live in town as well as work there. I hate to see every other shop as either a betting shop or cash 4 gold type but they wouldnt be there if they were not being used.

I dont think this is just a Swindon problem though there are 6 or more sports teams sponsored by such companies.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: They can close all the roads they want. Nothing will make me wait on a bus stop to use a smelly bus that goes around the houses when I can get in my car and drive myself in comfort.[/p][/quote]Despite the negative "thumbs" you are absolutely correct. Why would someone who has paid so much to put their car on the road and can go when and where they want be likely to use the bus. And apart from those who work there, why exactly do people go into the centre or are we now just a town of pound and charity shop lovers with endless gambling shops and fast food outlets, just what is the attraction?[/p][/quote]A wish to improve the community as a whole? Naaaaaah why would anyone do that? people live in town as well as work there. I hate to see every other shop as either a betting shop or cash 4 gold type but they wouldnt be there if they were not being used. I dont think this is just a Swindon problem though there are 6 or more sports teams sponsored by such companies. Badgersgetabadname
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9:22pm Wed 5 Mar 14

richie3846 says...

There isn't much traffic using that stretch of road anyway, even in the rush hour. I don't think it will make much difference, and seems pointless to close it off.
There isn't much traffic using that stretch of road anyway, even in the rush hour. I don't think it will make much difference, and seems pointless to close it off. richie3846
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10:24pm Wed 5 Mar 14

LordCharles says...

From the Magic roundabout how can you get from Fleming Way past Jury's Inn Hotel into Corporation Street? There is no right turn there? There is a vast concrete area which looks like an Orwellian nightmare and serves no purpose at all. The closure of the Fleming way bus area to cars will cause rat runs in Crombey street as drivers go that way to get to the bottom of town and rat runs along Manchester road as an alternative. If you are going to have Fleming Way as buses only then make a right turn into Corporation Street possible. Or here's an idea - put a roundabout back there.
From the Magic roundabout how can you get from Fleming Way past Jury's Inn Hotel into Corporation Street? There is no right turn there? There is a vast concrete area which looks like an Orwellian nightmare and serves no purpose at all. The closure of the Fleming way bus area to cars will cause rat runs in Crombey street as drivers go that way to get to the bottom of town and rat runs along Manchester road as an alternative. If you are going to have Fleming Way as buses only then make a right turn into Corporation Street possible. Or here's an idea - put a roundabout back there. LordCharles
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7:21pm Sun 23 Mar 14

wa231 says...

M4 by pass wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion.
Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?
Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it.

The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way?

Fleming way as a bus station?
Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.
The opportunity to encourage people to visit the town centre has gone, First priority should have been a transport hub based at the train station, as this can't be moved. next to the station should be the bus station, including National Express and Stage Coach. taxi rank, good car drop off and pick up a car park and easy access for cyclist. instead we have flat exposed car park next to the railway exit down stairs along a narrow path to the station. To get from train to bus will be a even further walk across wind swept concourses. for a car drop off to the proposed bus station or train is not going to be easy especially from north or east. with ALL traffic supposed to funnel down Corporation Street. Is the perfectly designed Whalebridge junction going to change to allow traffic from the east to turn right to get to the station? or will it have to go down Princess Street turn right at the lights find somewhere to do a U turn come back through the lights to go up the Corporation Street a real pleasure to drive down giving a first class impression of Swindon. a min roundabout, a brick facia which should have blown over in the recent gales, shops that leave their racking and litter outside at all times. through more lights more light more lights to get to the station drop off up stairs exposed to the elements. i moved here over 30 years ago believing this town was forward thinking!
Yes, short sighted and a missed opportunity. Taking on a massive car park and then doing everything possible to drive cars away beggars belief.

Transport Interchange at the Railway Station, a better accessway across the railway here to really open up North Swindon, both to the station and the town centre as currently Swindon is cut more or less in two by the railway station. Then set to work developing everything from Corporation Street, East Street, Faringdon Road and Commercial Rd to join the whole thing up.

It is such a shame that in a classic doughnut town as Swindon, many of the key functional buildings like the GWH and Gablecross have gone to out of town greenfield sites, very difficult to access without a car and leaving little behind in the centre.
[quote][p][bold]M4 by pass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me how much money the town planner who designed the Whalebridge junction is earning? It is probably one of the most ridiculous junctions that I've ever come across. It forces people to travel past the courts and Wyvern car park, when they don't really want to. Coming in form the north, everybody has to turn left and then do a U-turn at Halford's roundabout, causing congestion. Now we have this plan above to ban cars from part of Fleming Way, which will make things even worse, or maybe like me, people won't bother going to the town centre at all. The fantastic??? new car park will be half empty. Town planners......who needs them?[/p][/quote]Quite why the Whalebridge junction has been designed as it has is something that should be made public it seems as though it was designed by a child then remembered roads have to go through it. The article states that a bus station will be built on the junction, should that be the case I can understand the odd shape, does this mean the existing bus station will close and all bus services will run from Fleming way? Fleming way as a bus station? Points are not about improving the bus service only that driving will become more difficult. In these days of belt tightening and savings surely an improved bus service would be welcomed.[/p][/quote]The opportunity to encourage people to visit the town centre has gone, First priority should have been a transport hub based at the train station, as this can't be moved. next to the station should be the bus station, including National Express and Stage Coach. taxi rank, good car drop off and pick up a car park and easy access for cyclist. instead we have flat exposed car park next to the railway exit down stairs along a narrow path to the station. To get from train to bus will be a even further walk across wind swept concourses. for a car drop off to the proposed bus station or train is not going to be easy especially from north or east. with ALL traffic supposed to funnel down Corporation Street. Is the perfectly designed Whalebridge junction going to change to allow traffic from the east to turn right to get to the station? or will it have to go down Princess Street turn right at the lights find somewhere to do a U turn come back through the lights to go up the Corporation Street a real pleasure to drive down giving a first class impression of Swindon. a min roundabout, a brick facia which should have blown over in the recent gales, shops that leave their racking and litter outside at all times. through more lights more light more lights to get to the station drop off up stairs exposed to the elements. i moved here over 30 years ago believing this town was forward thinking![/p][/quote]Yes, short sighted and a missed opportunity. Taking on a massive car park and then doing everything possible to drive cars away beggars belief. Transport Interchange at the Railway Station, a better accessway across the railway here to really open up North Swindon, both to the station and the town centre as currently Swindon is cut more or less in two by the railway station. Then set to work developing everything from Corporation Street, East Street, Faringdon Road and Commercial Rd to join the whole thing up. It is such a shame that in a classic doughnut town as Swindon, many of the key functional buildings like the GWH and Gablecross have gone to out of town greenfield sites, very difficult to access without a car and leaving little behind in the centre. wa231
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