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One in ten in town have mental health problems

Swindon Advertiser: One in ten in town have mental health problems One in ten in town have mental health problems

A NEW health report says more than one in ten people in Swindon suffer from depression, anxiety or post-traumatic stress disorder.

Now a charity is calling for better working between mental health services after the report, for Swindon Council’s Health and Wellbeing Board, revealed between 25,203 and 29,422 of the town’s 209,156 residents suffer from disorders including anxiety, depression, phobias and panic attacks.

Another 1,500 to 1,600 are estimated to be living with a severe and enduring mental health condition. Numbers are expected to rise as the population heads to 225,300 by 2016.

The report, for a meeting next Wednesday, says Swindon has the third highest number of prescriptions for anti-depressants in the South West.

The figure is linked to factors including unemployment, benefit cuts, family circumstances, debt, caring responsibilities and domestic violence.

The chairman of mental health charity SUNS, Ann Mooney, urged the council and mental health service to work more closely with other agencies and schools to ensure care and attention was given to the most vulnerable people, especially carers.

“The services need to work together if things are going to change and improve,” said Ann, who suffers from mental health problems.

“There is no support for carers who don’t attend the carers centre.

“When young people look after a loved one from a very young age, they don’t get away without being scared and that can make them feel depressed.”

She said very few people perceived anxiety or depression as a mental health issue.

However, the high number anti-depressants prescriptions did not alarm her as medication was beneficial in some cases.

“Some of our users feel that they are sometimes given medication as a quick fix,” she said. “But there are also some people, like me, who need to be on medication. If I stopped taking it I would be very ill.

“It’s about whether or not it is the right thing for the person and I think what doctors don’t always do is sit down with them and a loved one and explain side effects, so they can make a choice. Talking therapies should also be offered.”

Swindon Council’s senior public health manager, Frances Mayes, said measures had and would be put in place to maximise prevention and ensure residents got the medical and emotional support they needed.

She said: “We are working on creating an advice, advocacy and information hub to have all the agencies working together with the voluntary sector and some statutory services in the same place, to make sure that when people need advice it’s easy to access.”

A priority would be raising awareness of mental health and encouraging people with depression or carers to come forward for support.

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8:13am Thu 6 Mar 14

John~R says...

Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way). John~R
  • Score: -8

8:19am Thu 6 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
I am not sure those sorts of things can really lead to depression, they may be annoying and stupid but surely not life changing?
[quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]I am not sure those sorts of things can really lead to depression, they may be annoying and stupid but surely not life changing? house on the hill
  • Score: 6

8:31am Thu 6 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
[quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

8:43am Thu 6 Mar 14

scottwichall says...

ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Channel, you forgot to note what time of year it is.. April is coming and fresh taxpayer funded troughs will be full and ready to plunder...
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Channel, you forgot to note what time of year it is.. April is coming and fresh taxpayer funded troughs will be full and ready to plunder... scottwichall
  • Score: -4

8:58am Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

In my experience of mental health care in Swindon it is non existent, not discussed and largely people are ignorant of whats involved thank you and charities for raising the issue.

You will be freely given meds to almost any level you wish (not need) to knock you out so you can cause as little harm to yourself or any others, this is not care or therapy and feeds straight into the stigma that people are just looking for an easy route.

For many people one to one or group therapy (talking therapy) will help to heal allot of the issues but the issue must fit into the 59 minutes and 59 seconds you have as an appointment here are your meds please stay asleep until we can next put you through this senseless process.

Unless of course you are a danger to yourself and other in which case you will be given some really strong meds or if you have already hurt yourself you can have a plaster and be sent back what may not be a safe situation. Medical centers are already over worked and may not be able to provide a safe environment.
I have heard people say ohhh only depression have you tried to cheer up? Its the same as asking someone with a broken leg to you know run it off.

Thats if you go and seek help the stigma that is attached to mental health issues prevents many from going at all, it is frowned on in the work place as it is thought more sick days will be taken but with a little research this doesnt have to be the case at all sadly most bosses do not have the time or the inclination to do anything about it. Working people get better faster that is a fact all it takes is some time and therapy NOT extended periods of being a zombie.

I know there have been recent case in the US where medication has been given out to kids not because its what they needed but because the medical catchment area they are in is sponsored by a particular medical company. I am not for a moment suggesting such levels of corruption in the UK but does beg the question why try to fix everything with pills when examples show it not to work?
In my experience of mental health care in Swindon it is non existent, not discussed and largely people are ignorant of whats involved thank you and charities for raising the issue. You will be freely given meds to almost any level you wish (not need) to knock you out so you can cause as little harm to yourself or any others, this is not care or therapy and feeds straight into the stigma that people are just looking for an easy route. For many people one to one or group therapy (talking therapy) will help to heal allot of the issues but the issue must fit into the 59 minutes and 59 seconds you have as an appointment here are your meds please stay asleep until we can next put you through this senseless process. Unless of course you are a danger to yourself and other in which case you will be given some really strong meds or if you have already hurt yourself you can have a plaster and be sent back what may not be a safe situation. Medical centers are already over worked and may not be able to provide a safe environment. I have heard people say ohhh only depression have you tried to cheer up? Its the same as asking someone with a broken leg to you know run it off. Thats if you go and seek help the stigma that is attached to mental health issues prevents many from going at all, it is frowned on in the work place as it is thought more sick days will be taken but with a little research this doesnt have to be the case at all sadly most bosses do not have the time or the inclination to do anything about it. Working people get better faster that is a fact all it takes is some time and therapy NOT extended periods of being a zombie. I know there have been recent case in the US where medication has been given out to kids not because its what they needed but because the medical catchment area they are in is sponsored by a particular medical company. I am not for a moment suggesting such levels of corruption in the UK but does beg the question why try to fix everything with pills when examples show it not to work? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 6

9:10am Thu 6 Mar 14

BCDR99 says...

Unemployment being a cause?? I thought Swindon had employment rates that many other towns and cities would kill for?
Unemployment being a cause?? I thought Swindon had employment rates that many other towns and cities would kill for? BCDR99
  • Score: 4

9:30am Thu 6 Mar 14

swindondad says...

Badgersgetabadname raises a valid point about the willingness of GP's to dish out pills like they were “smarties” but the availability of services to actually cure the problem (rather than treat the symptoms) is poor and not just in mental health.

When I first damaged my back I was given multiple repeat prescriptions for very strong pain killers (pethidine) to enable me to continue working through the pain but I would have had to wait the best part of a year to see an NHS Osteopath.

Luckily for me I was able to go to a private Chiropractor but not everyone is in that situation.
Badgersgetabadname raises a valid point about the willingness of GP's to dish out pills like they were “smarties” but the availability of services to actually cure the problem (rather than treat the symptoms) is poor and not just in mental health. When I first damaged my back I was given multiple repeat prescriptions for very strong pain killers (pethidine) to enable me to continue working through the pain but I would have had to wait the best part of a year to see an NHS Osteopath. Luckily for me I was able to go to a private Chiropractor but not everyone is in that situation. swindondad
  • Score: 5

9:38am Thu 6 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

BCDR99 wrote:
Unemployment being a cause?? I thought Swindon had employment rates that many other towns and cities would kill for?
The 'factors' that supposedly 'cause' mental health issues come as no surprise when you consider the mindset and agenda of those who come up with them.

Those same people are the type who will tell you money doesn't buy happiness and, yet, also tell you that not having any money makes people depressed and anxious.

If you've ever spoken to the kind of people involved in this industry, you immediately realise where they're coming from and what their beliefs are. Once that's established, you also quickly realise that it's all one big self-fulfilling and circular thinking process.

The report was commissioned for the Swindon Council Health and Wellbeing Board - what do you suppose might happen to their jobs if the report had come to the conclusion that, 'Actually, sometimes being get a bit annoyed about things or upset, but everyone's more or less fine to be honest'.

Of course, the 'clients' also have a vested interest in being told that they way they're thinking/behaving isn't their fault and is for somebody else to put right.
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: Unemployment being a cause?? I thought Swindon had employment rates that many other towns and cities would kill for?[/p][/quote]The 'factors' that supposedly 'cause' mental health issues come as no surprise when you consider the mindset and agenda of those who come up with them. Those same people are the type who will tell you money doesn't buy happiness and, yet, also tell you that not having any money makes people depressed and anxious. If you've ever spoken to the kind of people involved in this industry, you immediately realise where they're coming from and what their beliefs are. Once that's established, you also quickly realise that it's all one big self-fulfilling and circular thinking process. The report was commissioned for the Swindon Council Health and Wellbeing Board - what do you suppose might happen to their jobs if the report had come to the conclusion that, 'Actually, sometimes being get a bit annoyed about things or upset, but everyone's more or less fine to be honest'. Of course, the 'clients' also have a vested interest in being told that they way they're thinking/behaving isn't their fault and is for somebody else to put right. ChannelX
  • Score: -3

10:35am Thu 6 Mar 14

purplebanana3121 says...

I know exactly what Badgersgetabadname is saying. Before I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder the phycharist said as we dont know what you have we will treat the symptoms - take these pills and I will see you in 4 weeks. After a week I was still feeling no better from the pills but Still feeling crap emotionally. I called for help, he said double your dose of pills. Even though I explained the original dose made me really tired. I hsve 2 young kids I cant be out of it like that in charge of them.

I feel people like me need somewhere they can go to talk. That is why I set up my fb page "ear to listen" a place where people can come and talk about their experiences. I have many who have contacted me and who are interested in meeting up both one to one and as a talking group. Please feel free to contact me at "ear to listen" or email me at purplebanana3121@gma
il.com

You are not alone, there is always an ear to listen here xx
I know exactly what Badgersgetabadname is saying. Before I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder the phycharist said as we dont know what you have we will treat the symptoms - take these pills and I will see you in 4 weeks. After a week I was still feeling no better from the pills but Still feeling crap emotionally. I called for help, he said double your dose of pills. Even though I explained the original dose made me really tired. I hsve 2 young kids I cant be out of it like that in charge of them. I feel people like me need somewhere they can go to talk. That is why I set up my fb page "ear to listen" a place where people can come and talk about their experiences. I have many who have contacted me and who are interested in meeting up both one to one and as a talking group. Please feel free to contact me at "ear to listen" or email me at purplebanana3121@gma il.com You are not alone, there is always an ear to listen here xx purplebanana3121
  • Score: 5

10:43am Thu 6 Mar 14

John Trollston says...

ChannelX are you a qualified mental healthcare professional?

Your posts are vitriolic hyperbole that at times make absolutely no sense.
You need a tin foil hat.

Questions for you: did the USA land on the moon in 1969?
Is Elvis still alive?

Your posts are insulting to any persons with any level of intelligence.
ChannelX are you a qualified mental healthcare professional? Your posts are vitriolic hyperbole that at times make absolutely no sense. You need a tin foil hat. Questions for you: did the USA land on the moon in 1969? Is Elvis still alive? Your posts are insulting to any persons with any level of intelligence. John Trollston
  • Score: 2

10:46am Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Is that a joke?
[quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Is that a joke? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

10:50am Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend???
Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend??? Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

11:01am Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

swindondad wrote:
Badgersgetabadname raises a valid point about the willingness of GP's to dish out pills like they were “smarties” but the availability of services to actually cure the problem (rather than treat the symptoms) is poor and not just in mental health.

When I first damaged my back I was given multiple repeat prescriptions for very strong pain killers (pethidine) to enable me to continue working through the pain but I would have had to wait the best part of a year to see an NHS Osteopath.

Luckily for me I was able to go to a private Chiropractor but not everyone is in that situation.
Glad you were able to get yourself the help you needed.
I am not sure what the thinking is behind handing out handfuls of pills physical pain much like mental can be papered over so you can go to work but will eventually break and not be able to support through the symptoms and may well of caused further damage that you could not feel due to the pain killers.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: Badgersgetabadname raises a valid point about the willingness of GP's to dish out pills like they were “smarties” but the availability of services to actually cure the problem (rather than treat the symptoms) is poor and not just in mental health. When I first damaged my back I was given multiple repeat prescriptions for very strong pain killers (pethidine) to enable me to continue working through the pain but I would have had to wait the best part of a year to see an NHS Osteopath. Luckily for me I was able to go to a private Chiropractor but not everyone is in that situation.[/p][/quote]Glad you were able to get yourself the help you needed. I am not sure what the thinking is behind handing out handfuls of pills physical pain much like mental can be papered over so you can go to work but will eventually break and not be able to support through the symptoms and may well of caused further damage that you could not feel due to the pain killers. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

11:06am Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
BCDR99 wrote:
Unemployment being a cause?? I thought Swindon had employment rates that many other towns and cities would kill for?
The 'factors' that supposedly 'cause' mental health issues come as no surprise when you consider the mindset and agenda of those who come up with them.

Those same people are the type who will tell you money doesn't buy happiness and, yet, also tell you that not having any money makes people depressed and anxious.

If you've ever spoken to the kind of people involved in this industry, you immediately realise where they're coming from and what their beliefs are. Once that's established, you also quickly realise that it's all one big self-fulfilling and circular thinking process.

The report was commissioned for the Swindon Council Health and Wellbeing Board - what do you suppose might happen to their jobs if the report had come to the conclusion that, 'Actually, sometimes being get a bit annoyed about things or upset, but everyone's more or less fine to be honest'.

Of course, the 'clients' also have a vested interest in being told that they way they're thinking/behaving isn't their fault and is for somebody else to put right.
Once again you demonstrate your hypocritical and ignorant thinking are you still claiming that not everyone is the same as you have in other comments on this thread???
You claim that others are hard to follow.

Are you stupid or ignorant?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: Unemployment being a cause?? I thought Swindon had employment rates that many other towns and cities would kill for?[/p][/quote]The 'factors' that supposedly 'cause' mental health issues come as no surprise when you consider the mindset and agenda of those who come up with them. Those same people are the type who will tell you money doesn't buy happiness and, yet, also tell you that not having any money makes people depressed and anxious. If you've ever spoken to the kind of people involved in this industry, you immediately realise where they're coming from and what their beliefs are. Once that's established, you also quickly realise that it's all one big self-fulfilling and circular thinking process. The report was commissioned for the Swindon Council Health and Wellbeing Board - what do you suppose might happen to their jobs if the report had come to the conclusion that, 'Actually, sometimes being get a bit annoyed about things or upset, but everyone's more or less fine to be honest'. Of course, the 'clients' also have a vested interest in being told that they way they're thinking/behaving isn't their fault and is for somebody else to put right.[/p][/quote]Once again you demonstrate your hypocritical and ignorant thinking are you still claiming that not everyone is the same as you have in other comments on this thread??? You claim that others are hard to follow. Are you stupid or ignorant? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

11:10am Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

purplebanana3121 wrote:
I know exactly what Badgersgetabadname is saying. Before I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder the phycharist said as we dont know what you have we will treat the symptoms - take these pills and I will see you in 4 weeks. After a week I was still feeling no better from the pills but Still feeling crap emotionally. I called for help, he said double your dose of pills. Even though I explained the original dose made me really tired. I hsve 2 young kids I cant be out of it like that in charge of them.

I feel people like me need somewhere they can go to talk. That is why I set up my fb page "ear to listen" a place where people can come and talk about their experiences. I have many who have contacted me and who are interested in meeting up both one to one and as a talking group. Please feel free to contact me at "ear to listen" or email me at purplebanana3121@gma

il.com

You are not alone, there is always an ear to listen here xx
Respect and Kindness to all except those without who should receive none.
[quote][p][bold]purplebanana3121[/bold] wrote: I know exactly what Badgersgetabadname is saying. Before I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder the phycharist said as we dont know what you have we will treat the symptoms - take these pills and I will see you in 4 weeks. After a week I was still feeling no better from the pills but Still feeling crap emotionally. I called for help, he said double your dose of pills. Even though I explained the original dose made me really tired. I hsve 2 young kids I cant be out of it like that in charge of them. I feel people like me need somewhere they can go to talk. That is why I set up my fb page "ear to listen" a place where people can come and talk about their experiences. I have many who have contacted me and who are interested in meeting up both one to one and as a talking group. Please feel free to contact me at "ear to listen" or email me at purplebanana3121@gma il.com You are not alone, there is always an ear to listen here xx[/p][/quote]Respect and Kindness to all except those without who should receive none. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

11:15am Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

John Trollston wrote:
ChannelX are you a qualified mental healthcare professional?

Your posts are vitriolic hyperbole that at times make absolutely no sense.
You need a tin foil hat.

Questions for you: did the USA land on the moon in 1969?
Is Elvis still alive?

Your posts are insulting to any persons with any level of intelligence.
He is a moron and spouts this crap all the time. He will claim his account has been cloned again and he didnt make these comments.
I used to think it was just a troll but makes the same arguments repeatedly no matter the topic, if ever there was a cry for help it could be it.

Bitter little thing jumping up and down for attention but only if your attention agrees with its if not, he will copy your account and make childish comments.
[quote][p][bold]John Trollston[/bold] wrote: ChannelX are you a qualified mental healthcare professional? Your posts are vitriolic hyperbole that at times make absolutely no sense. You need a tin foil hat. Questions for you: did the USA land on the moon in 1969? Is Elvis still alive? Your posts are insulting to any persons with any level of intelligence.[/p][/quote]He is a moron and spouts this crap all the time. He will claim his account has been cloned again and he didnt make these comments. I used to think it was just a troll but makes the same arguments repeatedly no matter the topic, if ever there was a cry for help it could be it. Bitter little thing jumping up and down for attention but only if your attention agrees with its if not, he will copy your account and make childish comments. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

11:28am Thu 6 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend???
Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?
Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you.

*Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something.

You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you?

Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently.

Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend??? Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?[/p][/quote]Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you. *Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you? Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently. Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head. ChannelX
  • Score: -2

11:47am Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

scottwichall wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Channel, you forgot to note what time of year it is.. April is coming and fresh taxpayer funded troughs will be full and ready to plunder...
You are X under yet another ID aren`t you?
[quote][p][bold]scottwichall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Channel, you forgot to note what time of year it is.. April is coming and fresh taxpayer funded troughs will be full and ready to plunder...[/p][/quote]You are X under yet another ID aren`t you? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -3

12:02pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend???
Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?
Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you.

*Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something.

You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you?

Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently.

Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.
I think other people commenting on here see you as an idiot as well.

I notice you have yet again failed to answer questions put to you?
You contradict yourself so frequently it can be difficult to shift through your erm....mess to get any nuggets of information as to what your opinion may be other than hate everything trolling.
You have said that the system is being abused by those that use it...admittedly you climb down EVERY TIME when confronted over it like the proverbial puppy sat next to a pile of poo.

I can only reply to the comments you make so if you feel you are being described as an ignorant, bitter moronic waste please adjust your comments so that these factors are not the overriding message.
I made my point in the first comment I made.
Your first comment was more of your passive aggressive whining about people abusing the system. I could copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. This forum wont allow me to use bright colors either so you either need to read the articles properly or drop your aggressive bullying attitude which you use to anything that doesnt agree with your right wing arrogant backwards views.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend??? Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?[/p][/quote]Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you. *Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you? Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently. Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.[/p][/quote]I think other people commenting on here see you as an idiot as well. I notice you have yet again failed to answer questions put to you? You contradict yourself so frequently it can be difficult to shift through your erm....mess to get any nuggets of information as to what your opinion may be other than hate everything trolling. You have said that the system is being abused by those that use it...admittedly you climb down EVERY TIME when confronted over it like the proverbial puppy sat next to a pile of poo. I can only reply to the comments you make so if you feel you are being described as an ignorant, bitter moronic waste please adjust your comments so that these factors are not the overriding message. I made my point in the first comment I made. Your first comment was more of your passive aggressive whining about people abusing the system. I could copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. This forum wont allow me to use bright colors either so you either need to read the articles properly or drop your aggressive bullying attitude which you use to anything that doesnt agree with your right wing arrogant backwards views. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

12:17pm Thu 6 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend???
Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?
Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you.

*Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something.

You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you?

Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently.

Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.
I think other people commenting on here see you as an idiot as well.

I notice you have yet again failed to answer questions put to you?
You contradict yourself so frequently it can be difficult to shift through your erm....mess to get any nuggets of information as to what your opinion may be other than hate everything trolling.
You have said that the system is being abused by those that use it...admittedly you climb down EVERY TIME when confronted over it like the proverbial puppy sat next to a pile of poo.

I can only reply to the comments you make so if you feel you are being described as an ignorant, bitter moronic waste please adjust your comments so that these factors are not the overriding message.
I made my point in the first comment I made.
Your first comment was more of your passive aggressive whining about people abusing the system. I could copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. This forum wont allow me to use bright colors either so you either need to read the articles properly or drop your aggressive bullying attitude which you use to anything that doesnt agree with your right wing arrogant backwards views.
Read your own, aggressive, posts.

You continually refer to me as 'moron' and apparently believe that's perfectly acceptable despite admitting to having mental health issues yourself.

I hope you get the help you so clearly need.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend??? Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?[/p][/quote]Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you. *Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you? Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently. Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.[/p][/quote]I think other people commenting on here see you as an idiot as well. I notice you have yet again failed to answer questions put to you? You contradict yourself so frequently it can be difficult to shift through your erm....mess to get any nuggets of information as to what your opinion may be other than hate everything trolling. You have said that the system is being abused by those that use it...admittedly you climb down EVERY TIME when confronted over it like the proverbial puppy sat next to a pile of poo. I can only reply to the comments you make so if you feel you are being described as an ignorant, bitter moronic waste please adjust your comments so that these factors are not the overriding message. I made my point in the first comment I made. Your first comment was more of your passive aggressive whining about people abusing the system. I could copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. This forum wont allow me to use bright colors either so you either need to read the articles properly or drop your aggressive bullying attitude which you use to anything that doesnt agree with your right wing arrogant backwards views.[/p][/quote]Read your own, aggressive, posts. You continually refer to me as 'moron' and apparently believe that's perfectly acceptable despite admitting to having mental health issues yourself. I hope you get the help you so clearly need. ChannelX
  • Score: -1

12:20pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend???
Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?
Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you.

*Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something.

You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you?

Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently.

Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.
That is the ninth time you have said you are going to stop commenting, as I understood it people are more likely to do something they write down...........Sadly not for you.
I dont think anyone would notice if you just stopped admittedly my coffee will miss your bitter company but have you ever thought about what you give to society in general?
Ever thought it would be better if you just didnt or better stopped altogether?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend??? Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?[/p][/quote]Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you. *Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you? Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently. Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.[/p][/quote]That is the ninth time you have said you are going to stop commenting, as I understood it people are more likely to do something they write down...........Sadly not for you. I dont think anyone would notice if you just stopped admittedly my coffee will miss your bitter company but have you ever thought about what you give to society in general? Ever thought it would be better if you just didnt or better stopped altogether? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

12:28pm Thu 6 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend???
Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?
Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you.

*Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something.

You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you?

Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently.

Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.
That is the ninth time you have said you are going to stop commenting, as I understood it people are more likely to do something they write down...........Sadly not for you.
I dont think anyone would notice if you just stopped admittedly my coffee will miss your bitter company but have you ever thought about what you give to society in general?
Ever thought it would be better if you just didnt or better stopped altogether?
What was that about 'aggressive bullying'?
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend??? Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?[/p][/quote]Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you. *Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you? Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently. Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.[/p][/quote]That is the ninth time you have said you are going to stop commenting, as I understood it people are more likely to do something they write down...........Sadly not for you. I dont think anyone would notice if you just stopped admittedly my coffee will miss your bitter company but have you ever thought about what you give to society in general? Ever thought it would be better if you just didnt or better stopped altogether?[/p][/quote]What was that about 'aggressive bullying'? ChannelX
  • Score: 2

12:39pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend???
Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?
Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you.

*Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something.

You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you?

Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently.

Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.
I think other people commenting on here see you as an idiot as well.

I notice you have yet again failed to answer questions put to you?
You contradict yourself so frequently it can be difficult to shift through your erm....mess to get any nuggets of information as to what your opinion may be other than hate everything trolling.
You have said that the system is being abused by those that use it...admittedly you climb down EVERY TIME when confronted over it like the proverbial puppy sat next to a pile of poo.

I can only reply to the comments you make so if you feel you are being described as an ignorant, bitter moronic waste please adjust your comments so that these factors are not the overriding message.
I made my point in the first comment I made.
Your first comment was more of your passive aggressive whining about people abusing the system. I could copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. This forum wont allow me to use bright colors either so you either need to read the articles properly or drop your aggressive bullying attitude which you use to anything that doesnt agree with your right wing arrogant backwards views.
Read your own, aggressive, posts.

You continually refer to me as 'moron' and apparently believe that's perfectly acceptable despite admitting to having mental health issues yourself.

I hope you get the help you so clearly need.
Still avoiding all questions and requests for your opinion. I give you grief because you bully and put words into mouths of people.

I had quite happily used this forum for quite sometime before I made an innocent comment (on another thread) and you took that as an opportunity to make wild accusations about not only me but things you clearly have no knowledge of other than your own "life experience".

I refer to you as ignorant more so than moron and again you only have yourself to blame on that one as I can only base my comments on yours.
This is probably the best example of why your attitude irritates me, vile , wild comments then when others challenge you on it you roll over pretending to be the injured party have the courage to stick to your conviction or dont make moronic comments.

The help I receive is irrelevant to you in this as you have these disgusting attitudes to almost everything on a public forum I will challenge your opinions that you make. if you dont like it either research your opinions better so you can have a debate with greater content than "I told you so" or "life experience" then again you normally just stop commenting eventually. BTW you have failed to answer any of the questions put to you on this thread.

If your reply to this is of a personal nature to me please keep it to yourself enough time has been diverted from the topic and wasted on trying to help you understand. However if you wish to add to the debate please continue if you are able?...maybe start by reading the article again then the comments and basing your comments on that?
You are however a good example of the ignorant stigma attached to mental health issues.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend??? Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?[/p][/quote]Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you. *Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you? Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently. Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.[/p][/quote]I think other people commenting on here see you as an idiot as well. I notice you have yet again failed to answer questions put to you? You contradict yourself so frequently it can be difficult to shift through your erm....mess to get any nuggets of information as to what your opinion may be other than hate everything trolling. You have said that the system is being abused by those that use it...admittedly you climb down EVERY TIME when confronted over it like the proverbial puppy sat next to a pile of poo. I can only reply to the comments you make so if you feel you are being described as an ignorant, bitter moronic waste please adjust your comments so that these factors are not the overriding message. I made my point in the first comment I made. Your first comment was more of your passive aggressive whining about people abusing the system. I could copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. This forum wont allow me to use bright colors either so you either need to read the articles properly or drop your aggressive bullying attitude which you use to anything that doesnt agree with your right wing arrogant backwards views.[/p][/quote]Read your own, aggressive, posts. You continually refer to me as 'moron' and apparently believe that's perfectly acceptable despite admitting to having mental health issues yourself. I hope you get the help you so clearly need.[/p][/quote]Still avoiding all questions and requests for your opinion. I give you grief because you bully and put words into mouths of people. I had quite happily used this forum for quite sometime before I made an innocent comment (on another thread) and you took that as an opportunity to make wild accusations about not only me but things you clearly have no knowledge of other than your own "life experience". I refer to you as ignorant more so than moron and again you only have yourself to blame on that one as I can only base my comments on yours. This is probably the best example of why your attitude irritates me, vile , wild comments then when others challenge you on it you roll over pretending to be the injured party have the courage to stick to your conviction or dont make moronic comments. The help I receive is irrelevant to you in this as you have these disgusting attitudes to almost everything on a public forum I will challenge your opinions that you make. if you dont like it either research your opinions better so you can have a debate with greater content than "I told you so" or "life experience" then again you normally just stop commenting eventually. BTW you have failed to answer any of the questions put to you on this thread. If your reply to this is of a personal nature to me please keep it to yourself enough time has been diverted from the topic and wasted on trying to help you understand. However if you wish to add to the debate please continue if you are able?...maybe start by reading the article again then the comments and basing your comments on that? You are however a good example of the ignorant stigma attached to mental health issues. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -4

1:15pm Thu 6 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Do you *actually* think I'm going to dignify your questions, such as:


Are you stupid or ignorant?


With a response?

If you re-read your posts and can't see what an unpleasant person you really are, there's probably no help for you. You're the one insulting others here, not me.
Do you *actually* think I'm going to dignify your questions, such as: [quote] Are you stupid or ignorant? [/quote] With a response? If you re-read your posts and can't see what an unpleasant person you really are, there's probably no help for you. You're the one insulting others here, not me. ChannelX
  • Score: 2

1:37pm Thu 6 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

Depression and anxiety. I'm sure there's a dictionary definition somewhere that says 'unwilling to work'.
Depression and anxiety. I'm sure there's a dictionary definition somewhere that says 'unwilling to work'. stfcdod
  • Score: -6

1:42pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Do you *actually* think I'm going to dignify your questions, such as:


Are you stupid or ignorant?


With a response?

If you re-read your posts and can't see what an unpleasant person you really are, there's probably no help for you. You're the one insulting others here, not me.
No just you and you have invited it.
Are you suggesting I am unpleasant to you or in general? if its is just to you then yes your comments are toxic and not based in any other fact than your opinion.

I asked for your opinions on the topic you said it is all people cheating the system I believe you finished your comment with "Kerching" a reference to .com millionaires which you have used to refer to people in need of help in some attempt to label people as scroungers or did you mean this another way?

I asked if you felt you added to society with your attitude or anything else?
You made claims that all people were just looking for money?
You also make statements where you judge the mental health of others when you, yourself have stated your only qualification is your "life experience" how do you feel you can make these statements when they are incorrect and not be asked to justify where the comments come form?
You made the comment "there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available" from where have these figures been taken and over what time period are you talking about?

You continue to say you will not comment further but here you are. Topic linked comments are valued but you have continued a personal attack on me after I have asked you not to.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Do you *actually* think I'm going to dignify your questions, such as: [quote] Are you stupid or ignorant? [/quote] With a response? If you re-read your posts and can't see what an unpleasant person you really are, there's probably no help for you. You're the one insulting others here, not me.[/p][/quote]No just you and you have invited it. Are you suggesting I am unpleasant to you or in general? if its is just to you then yes your comments are toxic and not based in any other fact than your opinion. I asked for your opinions on the topic you said it is all people cheating the system I believe you finished your comment with "Kerching" a reference to .com millionaires which you have used to refer to people in need of help in some attempt to label people as scroungers or did you mean this another way? I asked if you felt you added to society with your attitude or anything else? You made claims that all people were just looking for money? You also make statements where you judge the mental health of others when you, yourself have stated your only qualification is your "life experience" how do you feel you can make these statements when they are incorrect and not be asked to justify where the comments come form? You made the comment "there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available" from where have these figures been taken and over what time period are you talking about? You continue to say you will not comment further but here you are. Topic linked comments are valued but you have continued a personal attack on me after I have asked you not to. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

1:44pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Hmmmf says...

10 people have posted above. Easy to see which one has the problem.
10 people have posted above. Easy to see which one has the problem. Hmmmf
  • Score: 2

1:45pm Thu 6 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

swindondad wrote:
Badgersgetabadname raises a valid point about the willingness of GP's to dish out pills like they were “smarties” but the availability of services to actually cure the problem (rather than treat the symptoms) is poor and not just in mental health.

When I first damaged my back I was given multiple repeat prescriptions for very strong pain killers (pethidine) to enable me to continue working through the pain but I would have had to wait the best part of a year to see an NHS Osteopath.

Luckily for me I was able to go to a private Chiropractor but not everyone is in that situation.
Everything is about the cheaper and/or easier option, why spend thousands on proper therapy over a length of time when you can spend a few pence on a handful of pills to keep them quiet. And have to agree with ChannelIX on this one, the parameters now labelled as mental illness seem to widen on a daily basis and different people have different definitions of it (the same as what is a "vulnerable" person). Very sad but dont see it changing any time soon.
[quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: Badgersgetabadname raises a valid point about the willingness of GP's to dish out pills like they were “smarties” but the availability of services to actually cure the problem (rather than treat the symptoms) is poor and not just in mental health. When I first damaged my back I was given multiple repeat prescriptions for very strong pain killers (pethidine) to enable me to continue working through the pain but I would have had to wait the best part of a year to see an NHS Osteopath. Luckily for me I was able to go to a private Chiropractor but not everyone is in that situation.[/p][/quote]Everything is about the cheaper and/or easier option, why spend thousands on proper therapy over a length of time when you can spend a few pence on a handful of pills to keep them quiet. And have to agree with ChannelIX on this one, the parameters now labelled as mental illness seem to widen on a daily basis and different people have different definitions of it (the same as what is a "vulnerable" person). Very sad but dont see it changing any time soon. house on the hill
  • Score: 2

1:49pm Thu 6 Mar 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

ChannelX wrote:
Do you *actually* think I'm going to dignify your questions, such as:


Are you stupid or ignorant?


With a response?

If you re-read your posts and can't see what an unpleasant person you really are, there's probably no help for you. You're the one insulting others here, not me.
I love that you've thrown a personal insult at someone and then had then cheek to say in the very next sentence that you're not the one insulting anyone.

And further up you've insulted pretty much everyone that has a mental illness of some kind.

Since you mention depression, I'll just point out it is a genuine illness, and is just one of those mental health issues that is invisible. Just because YOU can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Stating that everyone that has mental health issues is making it up as you do in one of your comments above *IS* ignorant. Your comments do nothing to lessen the stigma of mental health issues.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Do you *actually* think I'm going to dignify your questions, such as: [quote] Are you stupid or ignorant? [/quote] With a response? If you re-read your posts and can't see what an unpleasant person you really are, there's probably no help for you. You're the one insulting others here, not me.[/p][/quote]I love that you've thrown a personal insult at someone and then had then cheek to say in the very next sentence that you're not the one insulting anyone. And further up you've insulted pretty much everyone that has a mental illness of some kind. Since you mention depression, I'll just point out it is a genuine illness, and is just one of those mental health issues that is invisible. Just because YOU can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Stating that everyone that has mental health issues is making it up as you do in one of your comments above *IS* ignorant. Your comments do nothing to lessen the stigma of mental health issues. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 4

2:12pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Davey Gravey says...

Channelx making friends as usual. Now if we are talking mental people there is a prime example.
Channelx making friends as usual. Now if we are talking mental people there is a prime example. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

house on the hill wrote:
swindondad wrote:
Badgersgetabadname raises a valid point about the willingness of GP's to dish out pills like they were “smarties” but the availability of services to actually cure the problem (rather than treat the symptoms) is poor and not just in mental health.

When I first damaged my back I was given multiple repeat prescriptions for very strong pain killers (pethidine) to enable me to continue working through the pain but I would have had to wait the best part of a year to see an NHS Osteopath.

Luckily for me I was able to go to a private Chiropractor but not everyone is in that situation.
Everything is about the cheaper and/or easier option, why spend thousands on proper therapy over a length of time when you can spend a few pence on a handful of pills to keep them quiet. And have to agree with ChannelIX on this one, the parameters now labelled as mental illness seem to widen on a daily basis and different people have different definitions of it (the same as what is a "vulnerable" person). Very sad but dont see it changing any time soon.
No I dont see it changing either particularly with attitudes towards MH.

As a cost cutting exercise yes filling people full of pills works in the short term then when there is a violent (not saying this happens in every case) people want to poke the finger at someone blaming mental health for poor behavior. When you are ignored for years and only thing that happens is your meds are increased is the resulting action really the fault of that person?

As long as people are labeled as scroungers many will not come forward.
Stigma will become worse and numbers will increase or there could be a concerted approach to therapy rather than drugs and actually help people.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindondad[/bold] wrote: Badgersgetabadname raises a valid point about the willingness of GP's to dish out pills like they were “smarties” but the availability of services to actually cure the problem (rather than treat the symptoms) is poor and not just in mental health. When I first damaged my back I was given multiple repeat prescriptions for very strong pain killers (pethidine) to enable me to continue working through the pain but I would have had to wait the best part of a year to see an NHS Osteopath. Luckily for me I was able to go to a private Chiropractor but not everyone is in that situation.[/p][/quote]Everything is about the cheaper and/or easier option, why spend thousands on proper therapy over a length of time when you can spend a few pence on a handful of pills to keep them quiet. And have to agree with ChannelIX on this one, the parameters now labelled as mental illness seem to widen on a daily basis and different people have different definitions of it (the same as what is a "vulnerable" person). Very sad but dont see it changing any time soon.[/p][/quote]No I dont see it changing either particularly with attitudes towards MH. As a cost cutting exercise yes filling people full of pills works in the short term then when there is a violent (not saying this happens in every case) people want to poke the finger at someone blaming mental health for poor behavior. When you are ignored for years and only thing that happens is your meds are increased is the resulting action really the fault of that person? As long as people are labeled as scroungers many will not come forward. Stigma will become worse and numbers will increase or there could be a concerted approach to therapy rather than drugs and actually help people. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

2:54pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

stfcdod wrote:
Depression and anxiety. I'm sure there's a dictionary definition somewhere that says 'unwilling to work'.
Hello X ,,,, brilliant comment.
If this is something you are sure of care to support your thoughts?
No....just another nothing comment.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Depression and anxiety. I'm sure there's a dictionary definition somewhere that says 'unwilling to work'.[/p][/quote]Hello X ,,,, brilliant comment. If this is something you are sure of care to support your thoughts? No....just another nothing comment. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

2:55pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend???
Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?
Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you.

*Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something.

You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you?

Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently.

Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.
That is the ninth time you have said you are going to stop commenting, as I understood it people are more likely to do something they write down...........Sadly not for you.
I dont think anyone would notice if you just stopped admittedly my coffee will miss your bitter company but have you ever thought about what you give to society in general?
Ever thought it would be better if you just didnt or better stopped altogether?
What was that about 'aggressive bullying'?
I asked questions I did not make a statement.
You have again chosen to not answer any questions to you?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend??? Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?[/p][/quote]Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you. *Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you? Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently. Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.[/p][/quote]That is the ninth time you have said you are going to stop commenting, as I understood it people are more likely to do something they write down...........Sadly not for you. I dont think anyone would notice if you just stopped admittedly my coffee will miss your bitter company but have you ever thought about what you give to society in general? Ever thought it would be better if you just didnt or better stopped altogether?[/p][/quote]What was that about 'aggressive bullying'?[/p][/quote]I asked questions I did not make a statement. You have again chosen to not answer any questions to you? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

2:58pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Hmmmf wrote:
10 people have posted above. Easy to see which one has the problem.
Any danger of you ever making a comment related to any topic?
Or do you just feel the need when ChannX has exhausted all "arguments"
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: 10 people have posted above. Easy to see which one has the problem.[/p][/quote]Any danger of you ever making a comment related to any topic? Or do you just feel the need when ChannX has exhausted all "arguments" Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

3:00pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Do you *actually* think I'm going to dignify your questions, such as:


Are you stupid or ignorant?


With a response?

If you re-read your posts and can't see what an unpleasant person you really are, there's probably no help for you. You're the one insulting others here, not me.
I love that you've thrown a personal insult at someone and then had then cheek to say in the very next sentence that you're not the one insulting anyone.

And further up you've insulted pretty much everyone that has a mental illness of some kind.

Since you mention depression, I'll just point out it is a genuine illness, and is just one of those mental health issues that is invisible. Just because YOU can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Stating that everyone that has mental health issues is making it up as you do in one of your comments above *IS* ignorant. Your comments do nothing to lessen the stigma of mental health issues.
ChanX please read its not just me.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Do you *actually* think I'm going to dignify your questions, such as: [quote] Are you stupid or ignorant? [/quote] With a response? If you re-read your posts and can't see what an unpleasant person you really are, there's probably no help for you. You're the one insulting others here, not me.[/p][/quote]I love that you've thrown a personal insult at someone and then had then cheek to say in the very next sentence that you're not the one insulting anyone. And further up you've insulted pretty much everyone that has a mental illness of some kind. Since you mention depression, I'll just point out it is a genuine illness, and is just one of those mental health issues that is invisible. Just because YOU can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Stating that everyone that has mental health issues is making it up as you do in one of your comments above *IS* ignorant. Your comments do nothing to lessen the stigma of mental health issues.[/p][/quote]ChanX please read its not just me. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Hmmmf says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
10 people have posted above. Easy to see which one has the problem.
Any danger of you ever making a comment related to any topic?
Or do you just feel the need when ChannX has exhausted all "arguments"
Read the title of the article. Read the content of my post.
Put the two together and you'll understand more clearly the relationship between my post and the topic in question. I know it's difficult for you, you being the one and all, but you could at least try to make the effort.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: 10 people have posted above. Easy to see which one has the problem.[/p][/quote]Any danger of you ever making a comment related to any topic? Or do you just feel the need when ChannX has exhausted all "arguments"[/p][/quote]Read the title of the article. Read the content of my post. Put the two together and you'll understand more clearly the relationship between my post and the topic in question. I know it's difficult for you, you being the one and all, but you could at least try to make the effort. Hmmmf
  • Score: 3

5:04pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Hmmmf wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
10 people have posted above. Easy to see which one has the problem.
Any danger of you ever making a comment related to any topic?
Or do you just feel the need when ChannX has exhausted all "arguments"
Read the title of the article. Read the content of my post.
Put the two together and you'll understand more clearly the relationship between my post and the topic in question. I know it's difficult for you, you being the one and all, but you could at least try to make the effort.
Ooooooooh you were being funny...
Well done you.
It is you ChanX isnt it?
A personal comment rather than opinion smells like silly bitter little man? Please continue with your obviously professional opinion on the topic in the article...
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: 10 people have posted above. Easy to see which one has the problem.[/p][/quote]Any danger of you ever making a comment related to any topic? Or do you just feel the need when ChannX has exhausted all "arguments"[/p][/quote]Read the title of the article. Read the content of my post. Put the two together and you'll understand more clearly the relationship between my post and the topic in question. I know it's difficult for you, you being the one and all, but you could at least try to make the effort.[/p][/quote]Ooooooooh you were being funny... Well done you. It is you ChanX isnt it? A personal comment rather than opinion smells like silly bitter little man? Please continue with your obviously professional opinion on the topic in the article... Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -2

5:46pm Thu 6 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

This is actually quite sad now.
This is actually quite sad now. ChannelX
  • Score: 3

9:32pm Thu 6 Mar 14

underdogs says...

Another very good and important story by Marion and the Swindon Advertiser, and personally I find it distasteful that a number of people posting comments take away from the seriousness these matters deserve and cause further harm to service users who have a genuine interest in the well written articles now appearing in this paper. I look forward to seeing this report ( and its title being announced soon ? ) as clearly with one in ten people being affected by mental ill health problems in Swindon is a very serious matter. I am delighted SUNS has got a voice in the Adver, and Ann Mooney is a great spokesperson for people with mental health problems in Swindon. In FACT , Ann Mooney appears to have more drive, common sense and determination to support patients in Swindon than many of the long established established agencies , so called 'professionals' and voluntary organisations that have been in charge of the devastating failures in mental health in Swindon over the past 12 - 15 years !! I notice no one mentions the Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership by name - but I fear the other more responsible agencies and voluntary organisations realise you simply CANNOT work with a mental health provider that doesnt care and doesnt improve ! I feel from reading the AWP 'track record ' over the past 13 years, it may be better to leave AWP out of the equation !!! I feel maybe many GPs know AWP are not really fit for purpose, and therefore prescribe sedative medication in the absence of adequate support, counselling or talking therapies being made available for their patients ?? Frances Mayes --- Knowing how bad AWP have been over so many years WHY oh WHY are you only now working on a solution - or are you just saying ' the right thing ' when knowing in reality where little has changed in the past 13 years - it is still unlikely to change now ! Advice - there isnt any - cannot even get leaflets out of AWP let alone advice or support. Advocacy services in Wiltshire are already overwhelmed, and from my experience are often simply not interested in helping. An advocate once said to me, a now 'politically ' incorrect statement, - expecting AWP to listen or improve is like flogging a dead horse ! Keep up the good work Ann Mooney - we the patients NEED someone like you to help us !!
Another very good and important story by Marion and the Swindon Advertiser, and personally I find it distasteful that a number of people posting comments take away from the seriousness these matters deserve and cause further harm to service users who have a genuine interest in the well written articles now appearing in this paper. I look forward to seeing this report ( and its title being announced soon ? ) as clearly with one in ten people being affected by mental ill health problems in Swindon is a very serious matter. I am delighted SUNS has got a voice in the Adver, and Ann Mooney is a great spokesperson for people with mental health problems in Swindon. In FACT , Ann Mooney appears to have more drive, common sense and determination to support patients in Swindon than many of the long established established agencies , so called 'professionals' and voluntary organisations that have been in charge of the devastating failures in mental health in Swindon over the past 12 - 15 years !! I notice no one mentions the Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership by name - but I fear the other more responsible agencies and voluntary organisations realise you simply CANNOT work with a mental health provider that doesnt care and doesnt improve ! I feel from reading the AWP 'track record ' over the past 13 years, it may be better to leave AWP out of the equation !!! I feel maybe many GPs know AWP are not really fit for purpose, and therefore prescribe sedative medication in the absence of adequate support, counselling or talking therapies being made available for their patients ?? Frances Mayes --- Knowing how bad AWP have been over so many years WHY oh WHY are you only now working on a solution - or are you just saying ' the right thing ' when knowing in reality where little has changed in the past 13 years - it is still unlikely to change now ! Advice - there isnt any - cannot even get leaflets out of AWP let alone advice or support. Advocacy services in Wiltshire are already overwhelmed, and from my experience are often simply not interested in helping. An advocate once said to me, a now 'politically ' incorrect statement, - expecting AWP to listen or improve is like flogging a dead horse ! Keep up the good work Ann Mooney - we the patients NEED someone like you to help us !! underdogs
  • Score: 4

11:18am Fri 7 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

The sad reality is that the only help that is available are either charities or paid for sessions, as this is a highly skilled task it can be very expensive.

Some tragic events recently and pending investigation but this really sounds and feel like lip service again.
An ear to listen and other similar groups do a great job and also the team at lift deserve credit for their work but once again it feels like papering over cracks the problems are still there I dread to think of what would happen without these groups.
The sad reality is that the only help that is available are either charities or paid for sessions, as this is a highly skilled task it can be very expensive. Some tragic events recently and pending investigation but this really sounds and feel like lip service again. An ear to listen and other similar groups do a great job and also the team at lift deserve credit for their work but once again it feels like papering over cracks the problems are still there I dread to think of what would happen without these groups. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

8:08pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
John~R wrote:
Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).
Unlikely.

But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues.

All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives.

Kerching.
Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend???
Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?
Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you.

*Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something.

You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you?

Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently.

Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.
I think other people commenting on here see you as an idiot as well.

I notice you have yet again failed to answer questions put to you?
You contradict yourself so frequently it can be difficult to shift through your erm....mess to get any nuggets of information as to what your opinion may be other than hate everything trolling.
You have said that the system is being abused by those that use it...admittedly you climb down EVERY TIME when confronted over it like the proverbial puppy sat next to a pile of poo.

I can only reply to the comments you make so if you feel you are being described as an ignorant, bitter moronic waste please adjust your comments so that these factors are not the overriding message.
I made my point in the first comment I made.
Your first comment was more of your passive aggressive whining about people abusing the system. I could copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. This forum wont allow me to use bright colors either so you either need to read the articles properly or drop your aggressive bullying attitude which you use to anything that doesnt agree with your right wing arrogant backwards views.
Read your own, aggressive, posts.

You continually refer to me as 'moron' and apparently believe that's perfectly acceptable despite admitting to having mental health issues yourself.

I hope you get the help you so clearly need.
I feel passionately about this topic because it affects so many people and seemingly little or no gov assistance.
I have made a number of comments on the page because when I received no help I had to go and learn it myself.

However I am not certain why you have made so many comments when clearly you know nothing.
If there is a big drugs bust or people trying to get off cocaine you would be just the person to go to.
Spent conviction and all.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John~R[/bold] wrote: Perhaps there is a correlation between this problem and the council's perpetual quest to make Swindon a less easy place to live in (eg messing up Fleming Way).[/p][/quote]Unlikely. But there almost certainly is a correlation between the comparatively sudden massive increase in people with such issues and the increased benefits payments that are available, the long-term paid sick leave that's available and the vested interest that the vast industry that's built up around the issue has in diagnosing as many people as possible with mental health issues. All the main charities claim that 1 in 4 people will suffer mental health issues at some point in their lives. As the definition continues to widen, we'll eventually end up with them claiming that everyone has mental health issues at some point during their lives. Kerching.[/p][/quote]Yet in a later comment you change to some and tend??? Are you again claiming that all on benefits are fraudulent?[/p][/quote]Point one - although I don't really have any idea what you're on about, I thought I'd (clearly) explained that to you. *Sometimes* things are a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. *Sometime* things are not a case of 'all' of a given reference doing something. You do know how the English language and reality works and correlate, don't you? Point two - I've NEVER claimed that, you've simply made it up and then tried to imply I've said it. To make it very clear, even for you, NO, *of course* not everyone on benefits is claiming them fraudulently. Although, I really don't know why I'm bothering replying to you, given that you just invent things and go off on bizarre tangents that seemingly have nothing to do with anything outside of your own head.[/p][/quote]I think other people commenting on here see you as an idiot as well. I notice you have yet again failed to answer questions put to you? You contradict yourself so frequently it can be difficult to shift through your erm....mess to get any nuggets of information as to what your opinion may be other than hate everything trolling. You have said that the system is being abused by those that use it...admittedly you climb down EVERY TIME when confronted over it like the proverbial puppy sat next to a pile of poo. I can only reply to the comments you make so if you feel you are being described as an ignorant, bitter moronic waste please adjust your comments so that these factors are not the overriding message. I made my point in the first comment I made. Your first comment was more of your passive aggressive whining about people abusing the system. I could copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. This forum wont allow me to use bright colors either so you either need to read the articles properly or drop your aggressive bullying attitude which you use to anything that doesnt agree with your right wing arrogant backwards views.[/p][/quote]Read your own, aggressive, posts. You continually refer to me as 'moron' and apparently believe that's perfectly acceptable despite admitting to having mental health issues yourself. I hope you get the help you so clearly need.[/p][/quote]I feel passionately about this topic because it affects so many people and seemingly little or no gov assistance. I have made a number of comments on the page because when I received no help I had to go and learn it myself. However I am not certain why you have made so many comments when clearly you know nothing. If there is a big drugs bust or people trying to get off cocaine you would be just the person to go to. Spent conviction and all. Badgersgetabadname
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