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Protesters call for end of ‘Eton Mess’

Swindon Advertiser: Protesters make their views known in Swindon town centre yesterday Protesters make their views known in Swindon town centre yesterday

PROTESTERS demanded the chancellor end his “Eton Mess” at once and put a stop to plummetting living standards and hardship as the new Budget was announced.

Austerity pressure group Swindon People’s Assembly took to the town centre yesterday to demonstrate against what they saw as years of hardship enforced by Chancellor George Osborne.

Members also invited the public to submit their own requests to the Secretary Of State in a red Budget Box in the Parade.

Kate Linnegar, of SPA, who is a self-employed businesswoman, said: “Ordinary people have had four years of falling living standards, job cuts and declining public services. We would like an end to George Osborne’s Eton Mess.

“Our priorities would be to spend public funds wisely on measures to help hard working families and the vulnerable in society.

“We would implement measures such as raising the National Insurance threshold for those on low income and introducing a proper living wage. “This will take people out of benefits, give them increased spending power and the money will be in circulation, benefiting the economy.”

She highlighted the need to clamp down on tax evasion to assist the country’s recovery and she said: “Affordable housing to buy or rent is another priority. So much money is wasted paying private landlords vast amounts in housing benefits. This is costing the country millions.

“Our measures would be paid for by reducing military spending. “We would also close loopholes and tax breaks on the country’s top five per cent earners. “We would also ensure that companies such as Amazon, Starbucks, Barclays and Vodafone pay the proper amount in corporation tax instead of routing profits to offshore tax havens.”

The protest followed the group’s demonstration outside the Job Centre last month against the government’s use of controversial ATOS Healthcare to assess work-related sickness benefits.

SPA can be contacted at peoplesassemblyswindon@gmx.co.

uk or on 01793 522824 or visit www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/ swindon_group.

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8:32am Thu 20 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

Got to have someone else to blame for our situation. You have choices in life and can also change them, instead of making excuses, just live your own life and do what is needed to make it better. The usual green eyed monster at work, you have more than me so i want some for doing absolutely nothing to deserve it!
Got to have someone else to blame for our situation. You have choices in life and can also change them, instead of making excuses, just live your own life and do what is needed to make it better. The usual green eyed monster at work, you have more than me so i want some for doing absolutely nothing to deserve it! house on the hill
  • Score: 2

9:03am Thu 20 Mar 14

pastor_of_muppets says...

I only read the headline, but I agree 100%. It is a terrible pudding. Time to do something useful for once Georgie-Boy and text the living you-know-what out of these pointless desserts
I only read the headline, but I agree 100%. It is a terrible pudding. Time to do something useful for once Georgie-Boy and text the living you-know-what out of these pointless desserts pastor_of_muppets
  • Score: 9

9:04am Thu 20 Mar 14

pastor_of_muppets says...

Tax. Not text. I doubt many Eton Messes have phones
Tax. Not text. I doubt many Eton Messes have phones pastor_of_muppets
  • Score: 0

9:27am Thu 20 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

They're not even talking about actual facts.

More people are in employment now than at any time in history. The income tax threshold is now higher than at any time in history, which mainly helps those on the lowest incomes.

55% of people in this country contribute less to the State than they gain from it and 25% of the 'richest' people pay 75% of the tax bill that keeps the nation afloat (it doesn't, we have to borrow billions to do that because the State hands out so much money to so many millions of people).

Ask yourself: how many people do you know who aren't in receipt of some government handout or another? Tax credits, JSA, child benefit, budgeting loans, ESA, carer's credit, Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit, Support for Mortgage Interest, Sure Start Maternity Grant, Free school meals, Guardian's Allowance, Maternity Allowance, Parents' Learning Allowance, Winter Fuel Payment, Winter Fuel Payment, Housing Benefit... and on and on and on....

Of course everyone would like to have more money, but why do people just suppose they should automatically be handed money and be well off just because they happen to be alive?
They're not even talking about actual facts. More people are in employment now than at any time in history. The income tax threshold is now higher than at any time in history, which mainly helps those on the lowest incomes. 55% of people in this country contribute less to the State than they gain from it and 25% of the 'richest' people pay 75% of the tax bill that keeps the nation afloat (it doesn't, we have to borrow billions to do that because the State hands out so much money to so many millions of people). Ask yourself: how many people do you know who aren't in receipt of some government handout or another? Tax credits, JSA, child benefit, budgeting loans, ESA, carer's credit, Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit, Support for Mortgage Interest, Sure Start Maternity Grant, Free school meals, Guardian's Allowance, Maternity Allowance, Parents' Learning Allowance, Winter Fuel Payment, Winter Fuel Payment, Housing Benefit... and on and on and on.... Of course everyone would like to have more money, but why do people just suppose they should automatically be handed money and be well off just because they happen to be alive? ChannelX
  • Score: 4

9:41am Thu 20 Mar 14

swindondad says...

On a personal note I like the fact that this budget allows me to keep a "little" more of what I earn and taxes me a "little" less on what I save without ramping up the cost of the thing I have to spend on.

I welcome the big changes to pensions and will be glad of the extra options when my time comes.

Steady as she goes.


N.B. No matter what had been announced in this budget the "left of new labor" activists of the SPA would still be complaining.
On a personal note I like the fact that this budget allows me to keep a "little" more of what I earn and taxes me a "little" less on what I save without ramping up the cost of the thing I have to spend on. I welcome the big changes to pensions and will be glad of the extra options when my time comes. Steady as she goes. N.B. No matter what had been announced in this budget the "left of new labor" activists of the SPA would still be complaining. swindondad
  • Score: 8

10:02am Thu 20 Mar 14

Hmmmf says...

Frankly I'd much rather be governed by an 'educated elite' than live in an Idiocracy run by soap-dodging 'activists' thanks very much. Are there other schools and universities the 'self-employed businesswoman' doesn't like, or is it just Eton and Cambridge which get up her nose?
Frankly I'd much rather be governed by an 'educated elite' than live in an Idiocracy run by soap-dodging 'activists' thanks very much. Are there other schools and universities the 'self-employed businesswoman' doesn't like, or is it just Eton and Cambridge which get up her nose? Hmmmf
  • Score: 4

10:28am Thu 20 Mar 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

2 opposing ideas:
1- Labour proposes a general wealth redistribution,taxin
g us more in one hand, to redistribute a vast welfare with the other.
2- The alternative from the Tories is a smaller State, where responsibility lies with the individual, taxing us less and providing less in terms of Welfare
2 opposing ideas: 1- Labour proposes a general wealth redistribution,taxin g us more in one hand, to redistribute a vast welfare with the other. 2- The alternative from the Tories is a smaller State, where responsibility lies with the individual, taxing us less and providing less in terms of Welfare A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -1

11:16am Thu 20 Mar 14

Robh says...

Perhaps people should understand why living standards have gone down.

1) Prices of basics have gone up regardless to how much people can afford.
2) Wages have not risen like before otherwise unemployment would rise.
3) Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground.

The Bank of England has not experienced inflation like this where costs are going up regardless of demand usually inflation goes up because of spending not this time though.
Perhaps people should understand why living standards have gone down. 1) Prices of basics have gone up regardless to how much people can afford. 2) Wages have not risen like before otherwise unemployment would rise. 3) Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground. The Bank of England has not experienced inflation like this where costs are going up regardless of demand usually inflation goes up because of spending not this time though. Robh
  • Score: 14

11:50am Thu 20 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

It is interesting how left-wing types blamed the 'global' economy for Labour's financial crash and poor economic policy... and yet blame the Tory government for the price of food, fuel, electricity and gas - all of which is entirely determined by the global markets and in countries outside of the UK.

Of course, a serious way to reduce the cost of living for everyone would be to scrap fuel duty entirely. That way everything we buy immediately becomes far, far cheaper.

But that can't happen because that £60 Billion is needed to help fund the welfare/benefits budget, which will be confirmed in today's budget to have now reached in excess of £250 Billion per year (not including the NHS and education).

Ironically, the very reason we all are forced to pay so much for everything is mainly due to the kind of ridiculous government spending the likes of the self-proclaimed 'Swindon People’s Assembly' claim is not high enough.

If they actually had their way we'd all be paying even more for everything.
It is interesting how left-wing types blamed the 'global' economy for Labour's financial crash and poor economic policy... and yet blame the Tory government for the price of food, fuel, electricity and gas - all of which is entirely determined by the global markets and in countries outside of the UK. Of course, a serious way to reduce the cost of living for everyone would be to scrap fuel duty entirely. That way everything we buy immediately becomes far, far cheaper. But that can't happen because that £60 Billion is needed to help fund the welfare/benefits budget, which will be confirmed in today's budget to have now reached in excess of £250 Billion per year (not including the NHS and education). Ironically, the very reason we all are forced to pay so much for everything is mainly due to the kind of ridiculous government spending the likes of the self-proclaimed 'Swindon People’s Assembly' claim is not high enough. If they actually had their way we'd all be paying even more for everything. ChannelX
  • Score: 3

12:44pm Thu 20 Mar 14

therocker says...

notice a few familiar faces amongst that lot and should also point out that many of those pictured are happy to spend every friday and saturday night swilling down beer in The Beehive, not exactly the cheapest pub in town. If things really were that bad wouldn't they be at home with a few cans of a cheap supermarket alternative and saving their money.
notice a few familiar faces amongst that lot and should also point out that many of those pictured are happy to spend every friday and saturday night swilling down beer in The Beehive, not exactly the cheapest pub in town. If things really were that bad wouldn't they be at home with a few cans of a cheap supermarket alternative and saving their money. therocker
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Thu 20 Mar 14

knittynora says...

ChannelX wrote:
They're not even talking about actual facts.

More people are in employment now than at any time in history. The income tax threshold is now higher than at any time in history, which mainly helps those on the lowest incomes.

55% of people in this country contribute less to the State than they gain from it and 25% of the 'richest' people pay 75% of the tax bill that keeps the nation afloat (it doesn't, we have to borrow billions to do that because the State hands out so much money to so many millions of people).

Ask yourself: how many people do you know who aren't in receipt of some government handout or another? Tax credits, JSA, child benefit, budgeting loans, ESA, carer's credit, Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit, Support for Mortgage Interest, Sure Start Maternity Grant, Free school meals, Guardian's Allowance, Maternity Allowance, Parents' Learning Allowance, Winter Fuel Payment, Winter Fuel Payment, Housing Benefit... and on and on and on....

Of course everyone would like to have more money, but why do people just suppose they should automatically be handed money and be well off just because they happen to be alive?
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: They're not even talking about actual facts. More people are in employment now than at any time in history. The income tax threshold is now higher than at any time in history, which mainly helps those on the lowest incomes. 55% of people in this country contribute less to the State than they gain from it and 25% of the 'richest' people pay 75% of the tax bill that keeps the nation afloat (it doesn't, we have to borrow billions to do that because the State hands out so much money to so many millions of people). Ask yourself: how many people do you know who aren't in receipt of some government handout or another? Tax credits, JSA, child benefit, budgeting loans, ESA, carer's credit, Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit, Support for Mortgage Interest, Sure Start Maternity Grant, Free school meals, Guardian's Allowance, Maternity Allowance, Parents' Learning Allowance, Winter Fuel Payment, Winter Fuel Payment, Housing Benefit... and on and on and on.... Of course everyone would like to have more money, but why do people just suppose they should automatically be handed money and be well off just because they happen to be alive?[/p][/quote]What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. knittynora
  • Score: -11

2:18pm Thu 20 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

knittynora wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
They're not even talking about actual facts.

More people are in employment now than at any time in history. The income tax threshold is now higher than at any time in history, which mainly helps those on the lowest incomes.

55% of people in this country contribute less to the State than they gain from it and 25% of the 'richest' people pay 75% of the tax bill that keeps the nation afloat (it doesn't, we have to borrow billions to do that because the State hands out so much money to so many millions of people).

Ask yourself: how many people do you know who aren't in receipt of some government handout or another? Tax credits, JSA, child benefit, budgeting loans, ESA, carer's credit, Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit, Support for Mortgage Interest, Sure Start Maternity Grant, Free school meals, Guardian's Allowance, Maternity Allowance, Parents' Learning Allowance, Winter Fuel Payment, Winter Fuel Payment, Housing Benefit... and on and on and on....

Of course everyone would like to have more money, but why do people just suppose they should automatically be handed money and be well off just because they happen to be alive?
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.
You should have said something about 'bankers'. Much more topical and even people who like the monarchy don't like those nasty 'bankers'.

Or 'fat cats'. You can never go wrong with 'fat cats'. Although, in these times of widespread obesity, maybe you don't find that politically correct any longer.

Left-wing Bingo is always fun.
[quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: They're not even talking about actual facts. More people are in employment now than at any time in history. The income tax threshold is now higher than at any time in history, which mainly helps those on the lowest incomes. 55% of people in this country contribute less to the State than they gain from it and 25% of the 'richest' people pay 75% of the tax bill that keeps the nation afloat (it doesn't, we have to borrow billions to do that because the State hands out so much money to so many millions of people). Ask yourself: how many people do you know who aren't in receipt of some government handout or another? Tax credits, JSA, child benefit, budgeting loans, ESA, carer's credit, Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit, Support for Mortgage Interest, Sure Start Maternity Grant, Free school meals, Guardian's Allowance, Maternity Allowance, Parents' Learning Allowance, Winter Fuel Payment, Winter Fuel Payment, Housing Benefit... and on and on and on.... Of course everyone would like to have more money, but why do people just suppose they should automatically be handed money and be well off just because they happen to be alive?[/p][/quote]What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.[/p][/quote]You should have said something about 'bankers'. Much more topical and even people who like the monarchy don't like those nasty 'bankers'. Or 'fat cats'. You can never go wrong with 'fat cats'. Although, in these times of widespread obesity, maybe you don't find that politically correct any longer. Left-wing Bingo is always fun. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

2:25pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Hmmmf says...

knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
[quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough. Hmmmf
  • Score: 1

2:36pm Thu 20 Mar 14

knittynora says...

Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury. knittynora
  • Score: -1

2:42pm Thu 20 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
Left-wing rabble rousers never quite understand where all the money actually comes from.

Sure, they always want more of it, but never stop to think who it is that's making it all and then being forced to hand it over to them.

The really depressing thing is that none of this is even about 'cuts', benefits payments or disliking those who went to public schools. It's all just a tired old means to have a go at the Tories. Most of them are trade union activists who are aware that the public doesn't respond well to trade unions these days. Hence the Monty Pythonesque: 'Swindon People’s Assembly'.
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]Left-wing rabble rousers never quite understand where all the money actually comes from. Sure, they always want more of it, but never stop to think who it is that's making it all and then being forced to hand it over to them. The really depressing thing is that none of this is even about 'cuts', benefits payments or disliking those who went to public schools. It's all just a tired old means to have a go at the Tories. Most of them are trade union activists who are aware that the public doesn't respond well to trade unions these days. Hence the Monty Pythonesque: 'Swindon People’s Assembly'. ChannelX
  • Score: 2

3:17pm Thu 20 Mar 14

swindondad says...

Swindon People's Assembly.

Merely the Swindon Branch of the "People’s Assembly" an organization formed by a group of "left wing loonies".

I.E. the communist party, the big union leaders, the "coalition of resistance" WTF. Why on earth is the local paper giving free advertising to this organization without some explanation of their agenda?

http://www.thepeople
sassembly.org.uk/abo
ut
Swindon People's Assembly. Merely the Swindon Branch of the "People’s Assembly" an organization formed by a group of "left wing loonies". I.E. the communist party, the big union leaders, the "coalition of resistance" WTF. Why on earth is the local paper giving free advertising to this organization without some explanation of their agenda? http://www.thepeople sassembly.org.uk/abo ut swindondad
  • Score: 5

3:36pm Thu 20 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

knittynora wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year.

You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation.

What else does 1p per week buy you?
[quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.[/p][/quote]The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year. You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation. What else does 1p per week buy you? ChannelX
  • Score: -4

3:59pm Thu 20 Mar 14

beach1e says...

Im against people getting benefits when they shouldn't be claiming them, im against people who ask for state handouts living in housing that I subsidise that's too big for their needs, im against people choosing not to pay the right tax , their council tax, their water bills so that I have to pay more.Im against childless people being penalised all the time and paying more in taxes etc than those with children. But I know that those aren't popular opinions because we live in a country now that's always holding its hand out for free money instead of being moral and having pride and working hard for what you want to achieve.
Im against people getting benefits when they shouldn't be claiming them, im against people who ask for state handouts living in housing that I subsidise that's too big for their needs, im against people choosing not to pay the right tax , their council tax, their water bills so that I have to pay more.Im against childless people being penalised all the time and paying more in taxes etc than those with children. But I know that those aren't popular opinions because we live in a country now that's always holding its hand out for free money instead of being moral and having pride and working hard for what you want to achieve. beach1e
  • Score: -3

4:57pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Hmmmf says...

knittynora wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
Tell us how many mugs, plates, and tea-towels are sold every year with your face on. I'm not a particularly ardent royalist by any means, but I know we won't be seeing you enduring tedious public engagements when you're 87 and would rather be at home in the warm, and I'm pretty sure tens of thousands of Americans aren't planning to visit your house on their holidays this year.
Jealousy is a nasty thing, especially in those who claim to speak for 'the rest of us'.
[quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.[/p][/quote]Tell us how many mugs, plates, and tea-towels are sold every year with your face on. I'm not a particularly ardent royalist by any means, but I know we won't be seeing you enduring tedious public engagements when you're 87 and would rather be at home in the warm, and I'm pretty sure tens of thousands of Americans aren't planning to visit your house on their holidays this year. Jealousy is a nasty thing, especially in those who claim to speak for 'the rest of us'. Hmmmf
  • Score: 5

5:00pm Thu 20 Mar 14

knittynora says...

ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year.

You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation.

What else does 1p per week buy you?
Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.[/p][/quote]The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year. You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation. What else does 1p per week buy you?[/p][/quote]Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express. knittynora
  • Score: -7

6:04pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

More rants from either the big issue or the daily mail yaaaawn.
Cheaper booze and gambling.....what message dose that send? Go on drink and gamble away the last of what you have.
Many complaints made here are of drinking in the street and that every other shop is a betting shop, what will change now?

How can anyone suggest that living standards are rising when foodbanks have people waiting for support.
More people working on paper yes those zero hour contracts and study courses eat up allot of numbers.
Starting wages in a new job are far lower than before so trying to buy your home as a young worker just isnt possible.
Cost of living goes up wage freeze except if you are an MP then you can have 11% I am glad we are all in this together....
More rants from either the big issue or the daily mail yaaaawn. Cheaper booze and gambling.....what message dose that send? Go on drink and gamble away the last of what you have. Many complaints made here are of drinking in the street and that every other shop is a betting shop, what will change now? How can anyone suggest that living standards are rising when foodbanks have people waiting for support. More people working on paper yes those zero hour contracts and study courses eat up allot of numbers. Starting wages in a new job are far lower than before so trying to buy your home as a young worker just isnt possible. Cost of living goes up wage freeze except if you are an MP then you can have 11% I am glad we are all in this together.... Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -3

6:19pm Thu 20 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

knittynora wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year.

You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation.

What else does 1p per week buy you?
Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.
The entire costs of the royal family are around £35 Million per year. Estimates suggest they generate around £20 Billion in revenue for the nation... around 10% of the overall welfare/benefits budget.

Actually, yes, you've convinced me. Let's scrap the royal family tomorrow.

Only slight downside would be that we'll also need to cut every single benefit and welfare handout by 10% as of tomorrow.

Is that what you had in mind?
[quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.[/p][/quote]The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year. You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation. What else does 1p per week buy you?[/p][/quote]Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.[/p][/quote]The entire costs of the royal family are around £35 Million per year. Estimates suggest they generate around £20 Billion in revenue for the nation... around 10% of the overall welfare/benefits budget. Actually, yes, you've convinced me. Let's scrap the royal family tomorrow. Only slight downside would be that we'll also need to cut every single benefit and welfare handout by 10% as of tomorrow. Is that what you had in mind? ChannelX
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Thu 20 Mar 14

knittynora says...

ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year.

You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation.

What else does 1p per week buy you?
Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.
The entire costs of the royal family are around £35 Million per year. Estimates suggest they generate around £20 Billion in revenue for the nation... around 10% of the overall welfare/benefits budget.

Actually, yes, you've convinced me. Let's scrap the royal family tomorrow.

Only slight downside would be that we'll also need to cut every single benefit and welfare handout by 10% as of tomorrow.

Is that what you had in mind?
Throw in the cancellation of Trident, a mansion tax, a land tax, a bankers windfall tax, and aggressive action against tax evasion by big business and the super rich and we wont need any welfare cuts!!!
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.[/p][/quote]The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year. You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation. What else does 1p per week buy you?[/p][/quote]Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.[/p][/quote]The entire costs of the royal family are around £35 Million per year. Estimates suggest they generate around £20 Billion in revenue for the nation... around 10% of the overall welfare/benefits budget. Actually, yes, you've convinced me. Let's scrap the royal family tomorrow. Only slight downside would be that we'll also need to cut every single benefit and welfare handout by 10% as of tomorrow. Is that what you had in mind?[/p][/quote]Throw in the cancellation of Trident, a mansion tax, a land tax, a bankers windfall tax, and aggressive action against tax evasion by big business and the super rich and we wont need any welfare cuts!!! knittynora
  • Score: -2

7:26pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Suindone says...

A year before the election, the budget did contain a few 'crowd pleasers' but these were overwhelmingly aimed at shoring up the core Tory vote rather than helping the majority.

It is true that the point at which workers have to start to pay the basic rate of tax was increased, saving many workers a few hundred pounds a year, while the price of a pint was lowered by a penny, but these puny measures will do nothing to compensate for continued pay restraint.
A year before the election, the budget did contain a few 'crowd pleasers' but these were overwhelmingly aimed at shoring up the core Tory vote rather than helping the majority. It is true that the point at which workers have to start to pay the basic rate of tax was increased, saving many workers a few hundred pounds a year, while the price of a pint was lowered by a penny, but these puny measures will do nothing to compensate for continued pay restraint. Suindone
  • Score: 2

7:35pm Thu 20 Mar 14

angelgrace says...

Some people on this feed need to STOP JUDGING these people in this artical! Have you nothing better to do? I see the same names as usual in the main negative comments again! You are the propaganda! these people from this Town are joining a national movement that have thousands of people joining who clearly are fed-up of the state of CUTS made for most people who earn less than £150,000 a year! Tax Credits are going to be paying more income tax! Austerity is real in this so called "Rich" Country! Why make it worst???
Some people on this feed need to STOP JUDGING these people in this artical! Have you nothing better to do? I see the same names as usual in the main negative comments again! You are the propaganda! these people from this Town are joining a national movement that have thousands of people joining who clearly are fed-up of the state of CUTS made for most people who earn less than £150,000 a year! Tax Credits are going to be paying more income tax! Austerity is real in this so called "Rich" Country! Why make it worst??? angelgrace
  • Score: 0

10:17pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Chrisg46 says...

It is certainly individuals right to not like the royal family. On the other hand, think about their rights - They cant vote, they have no choice about the life they will lead. Harry cannot go to a nightclub without being papped, something the rest of us would take for granted. George has NO choice in his job - he will go into the armed forces for a few years, be under massive pressure to succeed, will be lucky if he can pick the girl he wants to marry. And they cant retire. How much would you want to give up all you want, and for the same to happen to your children, and theirs?
Further, say we do get rid of the Royal Family. What replaces them? How much do the French, or the Americans spend on the Presidential offices?

Re the article, they want the military budget to be cut to support the social one. The defence budget is approximately £50 billion. Social budget is around £250 billion. The Welfare State was never intended to be a lifestyle choice, but has become so for many. Why should my taxes pay for 3D HD TV's? Why should i pay to support someone's 7th child when the father does not? Or for their Friday nights out, or their cigarettes?
I don't begrudge helping those who NEED help, not one little bit. It should NOT subsidise those "parasites" who leech money away from those who truly need help, and are unfairly blamed for their excesses?
It is certainly individuals right to not like the royal family. On the other hand, think about their rights - They cant vote, they have no choice about the life they will lead. Harry cannot go to a nightclub without being papped, something the rest of us would take for granted. George has NO choice in his job - he will go into the armed forces for a few years, be under massive pressure to succeed, will be lucky if he can pick the girl he wants to marry. And they cant retire. How much would you want to give up all you want, and for the same to happen to your children, and theirs? Further, say we do get rid of the Royal Family. What replaces them? How much do the French, or the Americans spend on the Presidential offices? Re the article, they want the military budget to be cut to support the social one. The defence budget is approximately £50 billion. Social budget is around £250 billion. The Welfare State was never intended to be a lifestyle choice, but has become so for many. Why should my taxes pay for 3D HD TV's? Why should i pay to support someone's 7th child when the father does not? Or for their Friday nights out, or their cigarettes? I don't begrudge helping those who NEED help, not one little bit. It should NOT subsidise those "parasites" who leech money away from those who truly need help, and are unfairly blamed for their excesses? Chrisg46
  • Score: 2

12:24am Fri 21 Mar 14

Phantom Poster says...

Robh wrote:
Perhaps people should understand why living standards have gone down.

1) Prices of basics have gone up regardless to how much people can afford.
2) Wages have not risen like before otherwise unemployment would rise.
3) Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground.

The Bank of England has not experienced inflation like this where costs are going up regardless of demand usually inflation goes up because of spending not this time though.
"Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground"

FREE OUT OF THE GROUND????

When you want petrol for your car do you just get out your boat, row out to the middle of the North Sea and fill your petrol can?

What an idiotic comment - which is saying a lot for this comments page!
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should understand why living standards have gone down. 1) Prices of basics have gone up regardless to how much people can afford. 2) Wages have not risen like before otherwise unemployment would rise. 3) Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground. The Bank of England has not experienced inflation like this where costs are going up regardless of demand usually inflation goes up because of spending not this time though.[/p][/quote]"Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground" FREE OUT OF THE GROUND???? When you want petrol for your car do you just get out your boat, row out to the middle of the North Sea and fill your petrol can? What an idiotic comment - which is saying a lot for this comments page! Phantom Poster
  • Score: 1

12:27am Fri 21 Mar 14

Phantom Poster says...

therocker wrote:
notice a few familiar faces amongst that lot and should also point out that many of those pictured are happy to spend every friday and saturday night swilling down beer in The Beehive, not exactly the cheapest pub in town. If things really were that bad wouldn't they be at home with a few cans of a cheap supermarket alternative and saving their money.
Bloody hell - I ordered a guinness in the Beehive around a year ago and seriously considered having to re-mortgage my house!
[quote][p][bold]therocker[/bold] wrote: notice a few familiar faces amongst that lot and should also point out that many of those pictured are happy to spend every friday and saturday night swilling down beer in The Beehive, not exactly the cheapest pub in town. If things really were that bad wouldn't they be at home with a few cans of a cheap supermarket alternative and saving their money.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell - I ordered a guinness in the Beehive around a year ago and seriously considered having to re-mortgage my house! Phantom Poster
  • Score: 0

12:33am Fri 21 Mar 14

Phantom Poster says...

ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year.

You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation.

What else does 1p per week buy you?
But I thought you were against people spending money of things they don't want or which are non-essential?

I earned my 55p - why should I give it to a family of dis-functional benefits claimants? Where does it end?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.[/p][/quote]The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year. You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation. What else does 1p per week buy you?[/p][/quote]But I thought you were against people spending money of things they don't want or which are non-essential? I earned my 55p - why should I give it to a family of dis-functional benefits claimants? Where does it end? Phantom Poster
  • Score: -4

12:53am Fri 21 Mar 14

Phantom Poster says...

Chrisg46 wrote:
It is certainly individuals right to not like the royal family. On the other hand, think about their rights - They cant vote, they have no choice about the life they will lead. Harry cannot go to a nightclub without being papped, something the rest of us would take for granted. George has NO choice in his job - he will go into the armed forces for a few years, be under massive pressure to succeed, will be lucky if he can pick the girl he wants to marry. And they cant retire. How much would you want to give up all you want, and for the same to happen to your children, and theirs?
Further, say we do get rid of the Royal Family. What replaces them? How much do the French, or the Americans spend on the Presidential offices?

Re the article, they want the military budget to be cut to support the social one. The defence budget is approximately £50 billion. Social budget is around £250 billion. The Welfare State was never intended to be a lifestyle choice, but has become so for many. Why should my taxes pay for 3D HD TV's? Why should i pay to support someone's 7th child when the father does not? Or for their Friday nights out, or their cigarettes?
I don't begrudge helping those who NEED help, not one little bit. It should NOT subsidise those "parasites" who leech money away from those who truly need help, and are unfairly blamed for their excesses?
The problem with the the royal family is a symbolic one. It's irrelevant whether they do or don't make money for the country - there are lots of ways to manipulate the figures, so who knows? We have lots of heritage to attract tourists, without the need for a royal family - we can't realistically dissect them,

Edward VIII abdicated, so if any of the young royals find it all too much for them, they have an option - that is if they had the guts to abandon their tax payer subsidised playboy lifestyles!
[quote][p][bold]Chrisg46[/bold] wrote: It is certainly individuals right to not like the royal family. On the other hand, think about their rights - They cant vote, they have no choice about the life they will lead. Harry cannot go to a nightclub without being papped, something the rest of us would take for granted. George has NO choice in his job - he will go into the armed forces for a few years, be under massive pressure to succeed, will be lucky if he can pick the girl he wants to marry. And they cant retire. How much would you want to give up all you want, and for the same to happen to your children, and theirs? Further, say we do get rid of the Royal Family. What replaces them? How much do the French, or the Americans spend on the Presidential offices? Re the article, they want the military budget to be cut to support the social one. The defence budget is approximately £50 billion. Social budget is around £250 billion. The Welfare State was never intended to be a lifestyle choice, but has become so for many. Why should my taxes pay for 3D HD TV's? Why should i pay to support someone's 7th child when the father does not? Or for their Friday nights out, or their cigarettes? I don't begrudge helping those who NEED help, not one little bit. It should NOT subsidise those "parasites" who leech money away from those who truly need help, and are unfairly blamed for their excesses?[/p][/quote]The problem with the the royal family is a symbolic one. It's irrelevant whether they do or don't make money for the country - there are lots of ways to manipulate the figures, so who knows? We have lots of heritage to attract tourists, without the need for a royal family - we can't realistically dissect them, Edward VIII abdicated, so if any of the young royals find it all too much for them, they have an option - that is if they had the guts to abandon their tax payer subsidised playboy lifestyles! Phantom Poster
  • Score: -3

5:10am Fri 21 Mar 14

Robh says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Robh wrote:
Perhaps people should understand why living standards have gone down.

1) Prices of basics have gone up regardless to how much people can afford.
2) Wages have not risen like before otherwise unemployment would rise.
3) Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground.

The Bank of England has not experienced inflation like this where costs are going up regardless of demand usually inflation goes up because of spending not this time though.
"Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground"

FREE OUT OF THE GROUND????

When you want petrol for your car do you just get out your boat, row out to the middle of the North Sea and fill your petrol can?

What an idiotic comment - which is saying a lot for this comments page!
You ought to try making a comment worth reading or are you one of those whingers who only comments on others because you can never think of anything original to say.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should understand why living standards have gone down. 1) Prices of basics have gone up regardless to how much people can afford. 2) Wages have not risen like before otherwise unemployment would rise. 3) Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground. The Bank of England has not experienced inflation like this where costs are going up regardless of demand usually inflation goes up because of spending not this time though.[/p][/quote]"Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground" FREE OUT OF THE GROUND???? When you want petrol for your car do you just get out your boat, row out to the middle of the North Sea and fill your petrol can? What an idiotic comment - which is saying a lot for this comments page![/p][/quote]You ought to try making a comment worth reading or are you one of those whingers who only comments on others because you can never think of anything original to say. Robh
  • Score: -3

7:55am Fri 21 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year.

You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation.

What else does 1p per week buy you?
But I thought you were against people spending money of things they don't want or which are non-essential?

I earned my 55p - why should I give it to a family of dis-functional benefits claimants? Where does it end?
I suppose it ends with an unaffordable £250 Billion benefits/welfare budget that we have to borrow £93 Billion a year in order to 'sustain'.

But as I said, you've convinced me, let's scrap the monarchy and reduce the entire benefits payments system by 10%.

I'm with you, comrade.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.[/p][/quote]The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year. You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation. What else does 1p per week buy you?[/p][/quote]But I thought you were against people spending money of things they don't want or which are non-essential? I earned my 55p - why should I give it to a family of dis-functional benefits claimants? Where does it end?[/p][/quote]I suppose it ends with an unaffordable £250 Billion benefits/welfare budget that we have to borrow £93 Billion a year in order to 'sustain'. But as I said, you've convinced me, let's scrap the monarchy and reduce the entire benefits payments system by 10%. I'm with you, comrade. ChannelX
  • Score: 3

8:05am Fri 21 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

knittynora wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year.

You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation.

What else does 1p per week buy you?
Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.
The entire costs of the royal family are around £35 Million per year. Estimates suggest they generate around £20 Billion in revenue for the nation... around 10% of the overall welfare/benefits budget.

Actually, yes, you've convinced me. Let's scrap the royal family tomorrow.

Only slight downside would be that we'll also need to cut every single benefit and welfare handout by 10% as of tomorrow.

Is that what you had in mind?
Throw in the cancellation of Trident, a mansion tax, a land tax, a bankers windfall tax, and aggressive action against tax evasion by big business and the super rich and we wont need any welfare cuts!!!
You don't appear to realise that the 'rich' already pay for 75% of everything in this country.

If you actually look at how taxation has worked over the last 20 years you'll note the 'rich' getting hit harder and harder while the less well off pay less and less.

While I realise the Left believe that the few 'rich' can simply be endlessly milked in order to support everyone and everything else, it just doesn't work that way.

You can scrap Trident, introduce a mansion tax, land tax, and tax the bankers bonuses (which would actually generate nowhere near as much as you think), stop tax evasion (which is illegal anyway, so not sure what else they can do about it) and you'd still raise just about enough to pay around 4/5ths of ONE year's benefits/welfare bill.

How would you fund it next year? Trident can only be scrapped once, remember.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if a magic wand could be waved and, suddenly, everything would be OK, but it's delusional nonsense.

What you're saying is similar to somebody saying, 'If we make every single person who receives a benefit payment of any kind pay back £10 a month to the government, we'd raise £8.4 Billion and pay off a 10th of the entire budget deficit'.

Sounds like a superb idea to me, especially as we're supposed to all be in this together.
[quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.[/p][/quote]The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year. You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation. What else does 1p per week buy you?[/p][/quote]Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.[/p][/quote]The entire costs of the royal family are around £35 Million per year. Estimates suggest they generate around £20 Billion in revenue for the nation... around 10% of the overall welfare/benefits budget. Actually, yes, you've convinced me. Let's scrap the royal family tomorrow. Only slight downside would be that we'll also need to cut every single benefit and welfare handout by 10% as of tomorrow. Is that what you had in mind?[/p][/quote]Throw in the cancellation of Trident, a mansion tax, a land tax, a bankers windfall tax, and aggressive action against tax evasion by big business and the super rich and we wont need any welfare cuts!!![/p][/quote]You don't appear to realise that the 'rich' already pay for 75% of everything in this country. If you actually look at how taxation has worked over the last 20 years you'll note the 'rich' getting hit harder and harder while the less well off pay less and less. While I realise the Left believe that the few 'rich' can simply be endlessly milked in order to support everyone and everything else, it just doesn't work that way. You can scrap Trident, introduce a mansion tax, land tax, and tax the bankers bonuses (which would actually generate nowhere near as much as you think), stop tax evasion (which is illegal anyway, so not sure what else they can do about it) and you'd still raise just about enough to pay around 4/5ths of ONE year's benefits/welfare bill. How would you fund it next year? Trident can only be scrapped once, remember. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if a magic wand could be waved and, suddenly, everything would be OK, but it's delusional nonsense. What you're saying is similar to somebody saying, 'If we make every single person who receives a benefit payment of any kind pay back £10 a month to the government, we'd raise £8.4 Billion and pay off a 10th of the entire budget deficit'. Sounds like a superb idea to me, especially as we're supposed to all be in this together. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

8:15am Fri 21 Mar 14

Chrisg46 says...

Robh wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Robh wrote:
Perhaps people should understand why living standards have gone down.

1) Prices of basics have gone up regardless to how much people can afford.
2) Wages have not risen like before otherwise unemployment would rise.
3) Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground.

The Bank of England has not experienced inflation like this where costs are going up regardless of demand usually inflation goes up because of spending not this time though.
"Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground"

FREE OUT OF THE GROUND????

When you want petrol for your car do you just get out your boat, row out to the middle of the North Sea and fill your petrol can?

What an idiotic comment - which is saying a lot for this comments page!
You ought to try making a comment worth reading or are you one of those whingers who only comments on others because you can never think of anything original to say.
Just because he is right and is making a valid point doesn't make it uninteresting or are you one of those sore losers who only responds with insults rather than intelligent debate..
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should understand why living standards have gone down. 1) Prices of basics have gone up regardless to how much people can afford. 2) Wages have not risen like before otherwise unemployment would rise. 3) Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground. The Bank of England has not experienced inflation like this where costs are going up regardless of demand usually inflation goes up because of spending not this time though.[/p][/quote]"Energy prices have risen to ridiculous levels for something that comes free out of the ground" FREE OUT OF THE GROUND???? When you want petrol for your car do you just get out your boat, row out to the middle of the North Sea and fill your petrol can? What an idiotic comment - which is saying a lot for this comments page![/p][/quote]You ought to try making a comment worth reading or are you one of those whingers who only comments on others because you can never think of anything original to say.[/p][/quote]Just because he is right and is making a valid point doesn't make it uninteresting or are you one of those sore losers who only responds with insults rather than intelligent debate.. Chrisg46
  • Score: 1

8:33am Fri 21 Mar 14

Robh says...

I just like to read comments on the article rather than have comments on comments all the time..
I just like to read comments on the article rather than have comments on comments all the time.. Robh
  • Score: 1

3:29pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Robh wrote:
I just like to read comments on the article rather than have comments on comments all the time..
Couldnt agree more,,,lets all argue instead of looking for a valid response.
Circus and bread.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: I just like to read comments on the article rather than have comments on comments all the time..[/p][/quote]Couldnt agree more,,,lets all argue instead of looking for a valid response. Circus and bread. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

7:32pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year.

You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation.

What else does 1p per week buy you?
Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.
The entire costs of the royal family are around £35 Million per year. Estimates suggest they generate around £20 Billion in revenue for the nation... around 10% of the overall welfare/benefits budget.

Actually, yes, you've convinced me. Let's scrap the royal family tomorrow.

Only slight downside would be that we'll also need to cut every single benefit and welfare handout by 10% as of tomorrow.

Is that what you had in mind?
Throw in the cancellation of Trident, a mansion tax, a land tax, a bankers windfall tax, and aggressive action against tax evasion by big business and the super rich and we wont need any welfare cuts!!!
You don't appear to realise that the 'rich' already pay for 75% of everything in this country.

If you actually look at how taxation has worked over the last 20 years you'll note the 'rich' getting hit harder and harder while the less well off pay less and less.

While I realise the Left believe that the few 'rich' can simply be endlessly milked in order to support everyone and everything else, it just doesn't work that way.

You can scrap Trident, introduce a mansion tax, land tax, and tax the bankers bonuses (which would actually generate nowhere near as much as you think), stop tax evasion (which is illegal anyway, so not sure what else they can do about it) and you'd still raise just about enough to pay around 4/5ths of ONE year's benefits/welfare bill.

How would you fund it next year? Trident can only be scrapped once, remember.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if a magic wand could be waved and, suddenly, everything would be OK, but it's delusional nonsense.

What you're saying is similar to somebody saying, 'If we make every single person who receives a benefit payment of any kind pay back £10 a month to the government, we'd raise £8.4 Billion and pay off a 10th of the entire budget deficit'.

Sounds like a superb idea to me, especially as we're supposed to all be in this together.
More of your passive aggressive c_rap! attempting to put words into the mouth of another.
We probably need trident as the average man in the desert with an AK needs a nuclear deterrent, we dont go to war with anyone else.

Hs2 could easily be binned saving billions but to say the rich pay for 75% of everything is idiotic to say the least. Do you have any support for this?

The person who made the comment about tax evasion wasnt questioning its legality more that it should be enforced....... Whats the point you were a moron last month and nothing has changed. You make wild claims in blissful ignorance oh sorry you have a wealth of "life experience" you bitter old man. Its impossible to have any kind of debate involving you without you blaming "lefties" for everything and anything.

Dont bother to reply it will only be more of the same BS you spout time and time agian,,,,maybe you can use your account`S to give my comments thumbs down as if anyone but you cares.

You seem to feel all the problems of this country derive from people on benefits with no thought as to why these people are in the position they are in,,,,sorry in your experience these people are wasters......surely that says more about your choices of acquaintance rather than society as a whole. These people you speak of were they customers of yours?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.[/p][/quote]The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year. You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation. What else does 1p per week buy you?[/p][/quote]Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.[/p][/quote]The entire costs of the royal family are around £35 Million per year. Estimates suggest they generate around £20 Billion in revenue for the nation... around 10% of the overall welfare/benefits budget. Actually, yes, you've convinced me. Let's scrap the royal family tomorrow. Only slight downside would be that we'll also need to cut every single benefit and welfare handout by 10% as of tomorrow. Is that what you had in mind?[/p][/quote]Throw in the cancellation of Trident, a mansion tax, a land tax, a bankers windfall tax, and aggressive action against tax evasion by big business and the super rich and we wont need any welfare cuts!!![/p][/quote]You don't appear to realise that the 'rich' already pay for 75% of everything in this country. If you actually look at how taxation has worked over the last 20 years you'll note the 'rich' getting hit harder and harder while the less well off pay less and less. While I realise the Left believe that the few 'rich' can simply be endlessly milked in order to support everyone and everything else, it just doesn't work that way. You can scrap Trident, introduce a mansion tax, land tax, and tax the bankers bonuses (which would actually generate nowhere near as much as you think), stop tax evasion (which is illegal anyway, so not sure what else they can do about it) and you'd still raise just about enough to pay around 4/5ths of ONE year's benefits/welfare bill. How would you fund it next year? Trident can only be scrapped once, remember. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if a magic wand could be waved and, suddenly, everything would be OK, but it's delusional nonsense. What you're saying is similar to somebody saying, 'If we make every single person who receives a benefit payment of any kind pay back £10 a month to the government, we'd raise £8.4 Billion and pay off a 10th of the entire budget deficit'. Sounds like a superb idea to me, especially as we're supposed to all be in this together.[/p][/quote]More of your passive aggressive c_rap! attempting to put words into the mouth of another. We probably need trident as the average man in the desert with an AK needs a nuclear deterrent, we dont go to war with anyone else. Hs2 could easily be binned saving billions but to say the rich pay for 75% of everything is idiotic to say the least. Do you have any support for this? The person who made the comment about tax evasion wasnt questioning its legality more that it should be enforced....... Whats the point you were a moron last month and nothing has changed. You make wild claims in blissful ignorance oh sorry you have a wealth of "life experience" you bitter old man. Its impossible to have any kind of debate involving you without you blaming "lefties" for everything and anything. Dont bother to reply it will only be more of the same BS you spout time and time agian,,,,maybe you can use your account`S to give my comments thumbs down as if anyone but you cares. You seem to feel all the problems of this country derive from people on benefits with no thought as to why these people are in the position they are in,,,,sorry in your experience these people are wasters......surely that says more about your choices of acquaintance rather than society as a whole. These people you speak of were they customers of yours? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

7:25pm Tue 25 Mar 14

nigelej says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
More rants from either the big issue or the daily mail yaaaawn.
Cheaper booze and gambling.....what message dose that send? Go on drink and gamble away the last of what you have.
Many complaints made here are of drinking in the street and that every other shop is a betting shop, what will change now?

How can anyone suggest that living standards are rising when foodbanks have people waiting for support.
More people working on paper yes those zero hour contracts and study courses eat up allot of numbers.
Starting wages in a new job are far lower than before so trying to buy your home as a young worker just isnt possible.
Cost of living goes up wage freeze except if you are an MP then you can have 11% I am glad we are all in this together....
Very well put but my guess is you want get many admirers on here . But what you say is true . It's easy for everyone to put people down or get on there high horse because some one does not agree with them . I've gone through some different post today and to be honest the same old people being rude and judgmental they must live in a very different world to most of us .
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: More rants from either the big issue or the daily mail yaaaawn. Cheaper booze and gambling.....what message dose that send? Go on drink and gamble away the last of what you have. Many complaints made here are of drinking in the street and that every other shop is a betting shop, what will change now? How can anyone suggest that living standards are rising when foodbanks have people waiting for support. More people working on paper yes those zero hour contracts and study courses eat up allot of numbers. Starting wages in a new job are far lower than before so trying to buy your home as a young worker just isnt possible. Cost of living goes up wage freeze except if you are an MP then you can have 11% I am glad we are all in this together....[/p][/quote]Very well put but my guess is you want get many admirers on here . But what you say is true . It's easy for everyone to put people down or get on there high horse because some one does not agree with them . I've gone through some different post today and to be honest the same old people being rude and judgmental they must live in a very different world to most of us . nigelej
  • Score: 2

10:24pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

nigelej wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
More rants from either the big issue or the daily mail yaaaawn.
Cheaper booze and gambling.....what message dose that send? Go on drink and gamble away the last of what you have.
Many complaints made here are of drinking in the street and that every other shop is a betting shop, what will change now?

How can anyone suggest that living standards are rising when foodbanks have people waiting for support.
More people working on paper yes those zero hour contracts and study courses eat up allot of numbers.
Starting wages in a new job are far lower than before so trying to buy your home as a young worker just isnt possible.
Cost of living goes up wage freeze except if you are an MP then you can have 11% I am glad we are all in this together....
Very well put but my guess is you want get many admirers on here . But what you say is true . It's easy for everyone to put people down or get on there high horse because some one does not agree with them . I've gone through some different post today and to be honest the same old people being rude and judgmental they must live in a very different world to most of us .
I grew up in Swindon combating the heads in the sand levels of blissful ignorance, is nothing new. It is a sorry state of affairs that most would rather revel in the failure of others than look to support another who is trying.

Almost like they live in a protected home where they are supplied with meds helping them ignore the world?

The funniest comments is when you have your own argument copied and pasted back to you with the names changed.
As a side note to this caring town a friend of mines daughter collapsed in the town center today (just fainted nothing serious) she came around herself and got herself home no help offered no support. With the massive levels of unemployed in the town be them older or just out of work town is always busy......I am sure Swindon never used to be this selfish.

nigelej you mentioned being rude etc please disregard my post before this one I have respect for everyone who shows it to others.
[quote][p][bold]nigelej[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: More rants from either the big issue or the daily mail yaaaawn. Cheaper booze and gambling.....what message dose that send? Go on drink and gamble away the last of what you have. Many complaints made here are of drinking in the street and that every other shop is a betting shop, what will change now? How can anyone suggest that living standards are rising when foodbanks have people waiting for support. More people working on paper yes those zero hour contracts and study courses eat up allot of numbers. Starting wages in a new job are far lower than before so trying to buy your home as a young worker just isnt possible. Cost of living goes up wage freeze except if you are an MP then you can have 11% I am glad we are all in this together....[/p][/quote]Very well put but my guess is you want get many admirers on here . But what you say is true . It's easy for everyone to put people down or get on there high horse because some one does not agree with them . I've gone through some different post today and to be honest the same old people being rude and judgmental they must live in a very different world to most of us .[/p][/quote]I grew up in Swindon combating the heads in the sand levels of blissful ignorance, is nothing new. It is a sorry state of affairs that most would rather revel in the failure of others than look to support another who is trying. Almost like they live in a protected home where they are supplied with meds helping them ignore the world? The funniest comments is when you have your own argument copied and pasted back to you with the names changed. As a side note to this caring town a friend of mines daughter collapsed in the town center today (just fainted nothing serious) she came around herself and got herself home no help offered no support. With the massive levels of unemployed in the town be them older or just out of work town is always busy......I am sure Swindon never used to be this selfish. nigelej you mentioned being rude etc please disregard my post before this one I have respect for everyone who shows it to others. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

9:08am Mon 31 Mar 14

angelgrace says...

ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
knittynora wrote:
Hmmmf wrote:
knittynora wrote:
What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year.

Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we?
She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.
That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers.
If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.
The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year.

You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation.

What else does 1p per week buy you?
Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.
The entire costs of the royal family are around £35 Million per year. Estimates suggest they generate around £20 Billion in revenue for the nation... around 10% of the overall welfare/benefits budget.

Actually, yes, you've convinced me. Let's scrap the royal family tomorrow.

Only slight downside would be that we'll also need to cut every single benefit and welfare handout by 10% as of tomorrow.

Is that what you had in mind?
Throw in the cancellation of Trident, a mansion tax, a land tax, a bankers windfall tax, and aggressive action against tax evasion by big business and the super rich and we wont need any welfare cuts!!!
You don't appear to realise that the 'rich' already pay for 75% of everything in this country.

If you actually look at how taxation has worked over the last 20 years you'll note the 'rich' getting hit harder and harder while the less well off pay less and less.

While I realise the Left believe that the few 'rich' can simply be endlessly milked in order to support everyone and everything else, it just doesn't work that way.

You can scrap Trident, introduce a mansion tax, land tax, and tax the bankers bonuses (which would actually generate nowhere near as much as you think), stop tax evasion (which is illegal anyway, so not sure what else they can do about it) and you'd still raise just about enough to pay around 4/5ths of ONE year's benefits/welfare bill.

How would you fund it next year? Trident can only be scrapped once, remember.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if a magic wand could be waved and, suddenly, everything would be OK, but it's delusional nonsense.

What you're saying is similar to somebody saying, 'If we make every single person who receives a benefit payment of any kind pay back £10 a month to the government, we'd raise £8.4 Billion and pay off a 10th of the entire budget deficit'.

Sounds like a superb idea to me, especially as we're supposed to all be in this together.
And the rest of the working class TAX PAYERS contribute too! And yet Workers can not get away with the fraud going around by Banks and the Rich famous and the Elite Wealth is mounting at the cost of everyone else! Everyone is now waking up to this. The Workers keep them "Rich" people while these Corporations can get away with paying poor low wages avoiding contributing tax Keeping monies off shore and out of our shores! Being Jobless is hard for people and I say, enough is enough taking from them while they are down!
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]knittynora[/bold] wrote: What like the Royal Family do you mean? Unlike the rest of us the Queen has received a hefty old pay rise this year. [/quote] Yeah because the Queen is just like the rest of us. 'The rest of us' all each bring in more than £20bn for the economy too, don't we? She's still working at 87 too, and pulling in the crowds, which is more than will ever be said for a lot of 'the rest of us', and especially not for those sat on their backsides whining that their handouts aren't big enough.[/p][/quote]That £20bn is a pretty unproven amount. NO she's not like the rest of us. We have to work long hours to make ends meet. This fiction that the queen and the rest of the royals work hard is just laughable. They could do their so called jobs for a fraction of the tax money ladled out to them, and still receive deference from their fawning admirers. If you are a royal admirer good luck to you but don't try to kid us that its not a life of unearned privilege and luxury.[/p][/quote]The published accounts show that the entire cost of the Royal Family costs every person in the UK around 55p per year. You'd have to be rather a strange kind of person to think that suddenly not having to contribute that amount per year would make any difference, whatsoever, to your own personal financial situation. What else does 1p per week buy you?[/p][/quote]Its nothing to do with my own personal financial situation. The fact that we have a "royal family" which is supposed to be worthy of dereference due to their inbuilt superiority from birth, and hence they should expect to be supported in their outrageously wasteful lifestyle is what I was talking about. At one moment you are telling us that there is no money for public services and at the next you tell us that the royals are a public service which deserves funding. Personally I`d rather put my 55p in a charity box than have it given to a bunch of parasites like the Windsors, but that's my opinion which I have the right to express.[/p][/quote]The entire costs of the royal family are around £35 Million per year. Estimates suggest they generate around £20 Billion in revenue for the nation... around 10% of the overall welfare/benefits budget. Actually, yes, you've convinced me. Let's scrap the royal family tomorrow. Only slight downside would be that we'll also need to cut every single benefit and welfare handout by 10% as of tomorrow. Is that what you had in mind?[/p][/quote]Throw in the cancellation of Trident, a mansion tax, a land tax, a bankers windfall tax, and aggressive action against tax evasion by big business and the super rich and we wont need any welfare cuts!!![/p][/quote]You don't appear to realise that the 'rich' already pay for 75% of everything in this country. If you actually look at how taxation has worked over the last 20 years you'll note the 'rich' getting hit harder and harder while the less well off pay less and less. While I realise the Left believe that the few 'rich' can simply be endlessly milked in order to support everyone and everything else, it just doesn't work that way. You can scrap Trident, introduce a mansion tax, land tax, and tax the bankers bonuses (which would actually generate nowhere near as much as you think), stop tax evasion (which is illegal anyway, so not sure what else they can do about it) and you'd still raise just about enough to pay around 4/5ths of ONE year's benefits/welfare bill. How would you fund it next year? Trident can only be scrapped once, remember. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if a magic wand could be waved and, suddenly, everything would be OK, but it's delusional nonsense. What you're saying is similar to somebody saying, 'If we make every single person who receives a benefit payment of any kind pay back £10 a month to the government, we'd raise £8.4 Billion and pay off a 10th of the entire budget deficit'. Sounds like a superb idea to me, especially as we're supposed to all be in this together.[/p][/quote]And the rest of the working class TAX PAYERS contribute too! And yet Workers can not get away with the fraud going around by Banks and the Rich famous and the Elite Wealth is mounting at the cost of everyone else! Everyone is now waking up to this. The Workers keep them "Rich" people while these Corporations can get away with paying poor low wages avoiding contributing tax Keeping monies off shore and out of our shores! Being Jobless is hard for people and I say, enough is enough taking from them while they are down! angelgrace
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9:26am Mon 31 Mar 14

angelgrace says...

therocker wrote:
notice a few familiar faces amongst that lot and should also point out that many of those pictured are happy to spend every friday and saturday night swilling down beer in The Beehive, not exactly the cheapest pub in town. If things really were that bad wouldn't they be at home with a few cans of a cheap supermarket alternative and saving their money.
Hello Rocker,
Thank you for this information, I shall be going to the Beehive and shake every single hand of them and get the drinks in as I understand what the Peoples Assembly are doing, and so do more local people indeed!
And well, alcohol is not just for the wealthy is it? And Also with these people in the Peoples Assembly, I do not blame them for having a drink, and I doubt very much your comment will have any impact other than you are a troll! And trying to extend these peoples drinking activity's to something more then what you are making! And while you are in the Beehive, enjoy your drinks watching and monitoring these people for us, if that is all your uses are? Peoples Assembly National does not even have rules about members drinking, or if they should be rich or poor and tell them how to spend their money like yourself. Perhaps on a Friday night in the Beehive, you should go over and talk to them? I am sure they are all eager to know you soon! Hope the TORY ORDER ends soon! Oink, Oink!
[quote][p][bold]therocker[/bold] wrote: notice a few familiar faces amongst that lot and should also point out that many of those pictured are happy to spend every friday and saturday night swilling down beer in The Beehive, not exactly the cheapest pub in town. If things really were that bad wouldn't they be at home with a few cans of a cheap supermarket alternative and saving their money.[/p][/quote]Hello Rocker, Thank you for this information, I shall be going to the Beehive and shake every single hand of them and get the drinks in as I understand what the Peoples Assembly are doing, and so do more local people indeed! And well, alcohol is not just for the wealthy is it? And Also with these people in the Peoples Assembly, I do not blame them for having a drink, and I doubt very much your comment will have any impact other than you are a troll! And trying to extend these peoples drinking activity's to something more then what you are making! And while you are in the Beehive, enjoy your drinks watching and monitoring these people for us, if that is all your uses are? Peoples Assembly National does not even have rules about members drinking, or if they should be rich or poor and tell them how to spend their money like yourself. Perhaps on a Friday night in the Beehive, you should go over and talk to them? I am sure they are all eager to know you soon! Hope the TORY ORDER ends soon! Oink, Oink! angelgrace
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12:52pm Sun 6 Apr 14

therocker says...

angelgrace wrote:
therocker wrote:
notice a few familiar faces amongst that lot and should also point out that many of those pictured are happy to spend every friday and saturday night swilling down beer in The Beehive, not exactly the cheapest pub in town. If things really were that bad wouldn't they be at home with a few cans of a cheap supermarket alternative and saving their money.
Hello Rocker,
Thank you for this information, I shall be going to the Beehive and shake every single hand of them and get the drinks in as I understand what the Peoples Assembly are doing, and so do more local people indeed!
And well, alcohol is not just for the wealthy is it? And Also with these people in the Peoples Assembly, I do not blame them for having a drink, and I doubt very much your comment will have any impact other than you are a troll! And trying to extend these peoples drinking activity's to something more then what you are making! And while you are in the Beehive, enjoy your drinks watching and monitoring these people for us, if that is all your uses are? Peoples Assembly National does not even have rules about members drinking, or if they should be rich or poor and tell them how to spend their money like yourself. Perhaps on a Friday night in the Beehive, you should go over and talk to them? I am sure they are all eager to know you soon! Hope the TORY ORDER ends soon! Oink, Oink!
I do not blame them for having a drink, and I doubt very much your comment will have any impact other than you are a troll! And trying to extend these peoples drinking activity's to something more then what you are making! And while you are in the Beehive, enjoy your drinks watching and monitoring these people for us, if that is all your uses are?

I'm not even sure what this actually means. I hope your campaign literature makes more sense than this grammatical and linguistic nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]angelgrace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]therocker[/bold] wrote: notice a few familiar faces amongst that lot and should also point out that many of those pictured are happy to spend every friday and saturday night swilling down beer in The Beehive, not exactly the cheapest pub in town. If things really were that bad wouldn't they be at home with a few cans of a cheap supermarket alternative and saving their money.[/p][/quote]Hello Rocker, Thank you for this information, I shall be going to the Beehive and shake every single hand of them and get the drinks in as I understand what the Peoples Assembly are doing, and so do more local people indeed! And well, alcohol is not just for the wealthy is it? And Also with these people in the Peoples Assembly, I do not blame them for having a drink, and I doubt very much your comment will have any impact other than you are a troll! And trying to extend these peoples drinking activity's to something more then what you are making! And while you are in the Beehive, enjoy your drinks watching and monitoring these people for us, if that is all your uses are? Peoples Assembly National does not even have rules about members drinking, or if they should be rich or poor and tell them how to spend their money like yourself. Perhaps on a Friday night in the Beehive, you should go over and talk to them? I am sure they are all eager to know you soon! Hope the TORY ORDER ends soon! Oink, Oink![/p][/quote]I do not blame them for having a drink, and I doubt very much your comment will have any impact other than you are a troll! And trying to extend these peoples drinking activity's to something more then what you are making! And while you are in the Beehive, enjoy your drinks watching and monitoring these people for us, if that is all your uses are? I'm not even sure what this actually means. I hope your campaign literature makes more sense than this grammatical and linguistic nonsense. therocker
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