Pupils stay home as teachers strike

Secretary of State for Education, Michael Gove

Secretary of State for Education, Michael Gove

First published in News Swindon Advertiser: Photograph of the Author by , @Michael_Benke

A NUMBER of schools in Swindon are set to close for the day tomorrow, with many more only running a handful of lessons, as the country’s biggest teaching union stages a one-day strike.

The National Union of Teachers (NUT) is staging the protest over pay and working conditions, meaning many parents will be forced to find alternative arrangements for their children.

Most secondary schools are affected along with some of the town’s primary schools. Isambard, Churchfields, Dorcan and Royal Wootton Bassett Academy will be entirely closed with many others closed to certain year groups.

Among the primary schools, Nythe and Lainesmead will also be closed for the day.

Due to an agreement between unions, teachers who are not part of the strike action are not providing cover and schools are also unable to bring in temporary teachers.

As a result, it has been decided they are not in a position to provide safe cover.

The strike is part of an ongoing campaign aiming to improve conditions for teachers, which have left many planning on leaving the profession. Many members who are taking action will be joining a mass rally in Bristol, similar to the action taken last October.

Union leaders have said they are taking action reluctantly but it is necessary to secure quality education for the long term.

Peter Smith, secretary of the Swindon division of the NUT, said: “In a survey which the government sat on for almost a year it has been revealed the workload some teachers have to carry out, with some not being able to see their families because of what they have to do.

“Two out of five teachers new to the profession are considering leaving after a few years with many more who have worked longer considering leaving.

“We are taking this action to secure the future of education, which at the moment is suffering. I understand it may be frustrating for some parents but it is better teachers withdraw their labour for one day rather than permanently.

“The new pay and pension changes also mean teachers will be paid less and get less at the end of it. A lot of teachers are getting more and more angry with Michael Gove. We want him to enter into serious negotiations but as it stands only officials are coming down to talk about how they can be implemented. We want this action to be a serious message to the government.”

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8:34am Tue 25 Mar 14

Old Town says...

Here we go again .......

Greedy Teachers affecting the lives and education of our kids

They spout all this "don't ever keep your kids off school - it will affect their education" - yet as soon as they want with NO thought to the kids or parents they are out on strike......

You would think they had enough time off - 2 weeks coming up for Easter ?!?
Here we go again ....... Greedy Teachers affecting the lives and education of our kids They spout all this "don't ever keep your kids off school - it will affect their education" - yet as soon as they want with NO thought to the kids or parents they are out on strike...... You would think they had enough time off - 2 weeks coming up for Easter ?!? Old Town
  • Score: 18

9:12am Tue 25 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

I hope they all get fined very heavily. They're a law unto themselves, get £30,000+ and about 12 weeks holiday and only work about six hours a day. They are a pathetic bunch of lefties.
I hope they all get fined very heavily. They're a law unto themselves, get £30,000+ and about 12 weeks holiday and only work about six hours a day. They are a pathetic bunch of lefties. stfcdod
  • Score: 5

9:26am Tue 25 Mar 14

Robh says...

There are many other ways to protest but they don't hit the headlines.
There are many other ways to protest but they don't hit the headlines. Robh
  • Score: 1

10:08am Tue 25 Mar 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

It is time to privatize the Education system, or to outlaw Industrial actions for teachers, at least we should consider using private contractors like Capita or G4S to provide schools with teachers on daily basis, instead of having them on the public payroll.
It is time to privatize the Education system, or to outlaw Industrial actions for teachers, at least we should consider using private contractors like Capita or G4S to provide schools with teachers on daily basis, instead of having them on the public payroll. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -21

10:27am Tue 25 Mar 14

BCDR99 says...

Can every parent "fine" the school £60 per child they have at a school where the teachers are refusing to teach?

That's what happens the other way round.
Can every parent "fine" the school £60 per child they have at a school where the teachers are refusing to teach? That's what happens the other way round. BCDR99
  • Score: 19

10:28am Tue 25 Mar 14

scottwichall says...

BCDR99 wrote:
Can every parent "fine" the school £60 per child they have at a school where the teachers are refusing to teach?

That's what happens the other way round.
I would suggest that that the teachers are fined personally by the parents...
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: Can every parent "fine" the school £60 per child they have at a school where the teachers are refusing to teach? That's what happens the other way round.[/p][/quote]I would suggest that that the teachers are fined personally by the parents... scottwichall
  • Score: 1

11:17am Tue 25 Mar 14

PJC says...

stfcdod wrote:
I hope they all get fined very heavily. They're a law unto themselves, get £30,000+ and about 12 weeks holiday and only work about six hours a day. They are a pathetic bunch of lefties.
That is utter BS!
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: I hope they all get fined very heavily. They're a law unto themselves, get £30,000+ and about 12 weeks holiday and only work about six hours a day. They are a pathetic bunch of lefties.[/p][/quote]That is utter BS! PJC
  • Score: -8

11:23am Tue 25 Mar 14

PJC says...

My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!!
My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!! PJC
  • Score: 4

12:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Old Town says...

PJC wrote:
My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!!
Are you seriously suggesting the average teacher works 12 hours a day - what 7am-7pm ?!?

If you think that, you are living in cloud cuckoo land !

What is a lazy cliche about holidays ? Do teachers not get huge amounts of holiday compared to most working people then ? Is this some sort of myth ?

I just went on my child's school website - and looked at the term times. This gives 67 days holiday this year to teachers - I think the average is around 22-25 days. So YES, I would say absolutely they receive VAST amounts of holiday - please explain the "lazy cliche" here ?

My daughter (in year 10) is also going in tomorrow - not to be taught anything unfortunately as even the teachers still going into work will not move across and teach children outside their standard classroom - she now has an outside company coming in to talk (all day!!!) about careers

A completely wasted day, totally and utterly caused by workshy teachers who should be ashamed of themselves !!!
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!![/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting the average teacher works 12 hours a day - what 7am-7pm ?!? If you think that, you are living in cloud cuckoo land ! What is a lazy cliche about holidays ? Do teachers not get huge amounts of holiday compared to most working people then ? Is this some sort of myth ? I just went on my child's school website - and looked at the term times. This gives 67 days holiday this year to teachers - I think the average is around 22-25 days. So YES, I would say absolutely they receive VAST amounts of holiday - please explain the "lazy cliche" here ? My daughter (in year 10) is also going in tomorrow - not to be taught anything unfortunately as even the teachers still going into work will not move across and teach children outside their standard classroom - she now has an outside company coming in to talk (all day!!!) about careers A completely wasted day, totally and utterly caused by workshy teachers who should be ashamed of themselves !!! Old Town
  • Score: 1

12:33pm Tue 25 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

PJC wrote:
My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!!
It would be interesting to annualise how many hours they work and compare that with the "average" 9 to 5 worker. I am sure there are days when they work long our as there will be some when they don't so putting some reality on this would be useful all round. And as with any industry, there will be those who work hard and want to put the kids first and those who just put themselves first and do as little as they get away with it.. so generalising doesn't really help.
Imagine if hospitals went on strike and just didn't do anything for a day! Strikes never have any effect for the workers because the bosses can never be seen to climb down or its sets a precedent, its all about the unions tying to puff themselves up as usual!
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!![/p][/quote]It would be interesting to annualise how many hours they work and compare that with the "average" 9 to 5 worker. I am sure there are days when they work long our as there will be some when they don't so putting some reality on this would be useful all round. And as with any industry, there will be those who work hard and want to put the kids first and those who just put themselves first and do as little as they get away with it.. so generalising doesn't really help. Imagine if hospitals went on strike and just didn't do anything for a day! Strikes never have any effect for the workers because the bosses can never be seen to climb down or its sets a precedent, its all about the unions tying to puff themselves up as usual! house on the hill
  • Score: 7

12:58pm Tue 25 Mar 14

bradley red 1 says...

Every parent should charge the schools/council for not attending school tit for tat and all that,...greed,greed and more greed.
Every parent should charge the schools/council for not attending school tit for tat and all that,...greed,greed and more greed. bradley red 1
  • Score: -1

1:49pm Tue 25 Mar 14

PJC says...

Old Town wrote:
PJC wrote:
My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!!
Are you seriously suggesting the average teacher works 12 hours a day - what 7am-7pm ?!?

If you think that, you are living in cloud cuckoo land !

What is a lazy cliche about holidays ? Do teachers not get huge amounts of holiday compared to most working people then ? Is this some sort of myth ?

I just went on my child's school website - and looked at the term times. This gives 67 days holiday this year to teachers - I think the average is around 22-25 days. So YES, I would say absolutely they receive VAST amounts of holiday - please explain the "lazy cliche" here ?

My daughter (in year 10) is also going in tomorrow - not to be taught anything unfortunately as even the teachers still going into work will not move across and teach children outside their standard classroom - she now has an outside company coming in to talk (all day!!!) about careers

A completely wasted day, totally and utterly caused by workshy teachers who should be ashamed of themselves !!!
Oh so you just look at the term times, and fail to see all the time put in during those 'holidays' and evenings, doing schemes of work, lesson plans, marking, etc! Don't judge until you know what you are talking about.
[quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!![/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting the average teacher works 12 hours a day - what 7am-7pm ?!? If you think that, you are living in cloud cuckoo land ! What is a lazy cliche about holidays ? Do teachers not get huge amounts of holiday compared to most working people then ? Is this some sort of myth ? I just went on my child's school website - and looked at the term times. This gives 67 days holiday this year to teachers - I think the average is around 22-25 days. So YES, I would say absolutely they receive VAST amounts of holiday - please explain the "lazy cliche" here ? My daughter (in year 10) is also going in tomorrow - not to be taught anything unfortunately as even the teachers still going into work will not move across and teach children outside their standard classroom - she now has an outside company coming in to talk (all day!!!) about careers A completely wasted day, totally and utterly caused by workshy teachers who should be ashamed of themselves !!![/p][/quote]Oh so you just look at the term times, and fail to see all the time put in during those 'holidays' and evenings, doing schemes of work, lesson plans, marking, etc! Don't judge until you know what you are talking about. PJC
  • Score: 1

2:01pm Tue 25 Mar 14

PJC says...

Old Town wrote:
PJC wrote:
My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!!
Are you seriously suggesting the average teacher works 12 hours a day - what 7am-7pm ?!?

If you think that, you are living in cloud cuckoo land !

What is a lazy cliche about holidays ? Do teachers not get huge amounts of holiday compared to most working people then ? Is this some sort of myth ?

I just went on my child's school website - and looked at the term times. This gives 67 days holiday this year to teachers - I think the average is around 22-25 days. So YES, I would say absolutely they receive VAST amounts of holiday - please explain the "lazy cliche" here ?

My daughter (in year 10) is also going in tomorrow - not to be taught anything unfortunately as even the teachers still going into work will not move across and teach children outside their standard classroom - she now has an outside company coming in to talk (all day!!!) about careers

A completely wasted day, totally and utterly caused by workshy teachers who should be ashamed of themselves !!!
I was going to make an angry, if reasoned reply, but clearly there is no point when dealing with your sort.
[quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!![/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting the average teacher works 12 hours a day - what 7am-7pm ?!? If you think that, you are living in cloud cuckoo land ! What is a lazy cliche about holidays ? Do teachers not get huge amounts of holiday compared to most working people then ? Is this some sort of myth ? I just went on my child's school website - and looked at the term times. This gives 67 days holiday this year to teachers - I think the average is around 22-25 days. So YES, I would say absolutely they receive VAST amounts of holiday - please explain the "lazy cliche" here ? My daughter (in year 10) is also going in tomorrow - not to be taught anything unfortunately as even the teachers still going into work will not move across and teach children outside their standard classroom - she now has an outside company coming in to talk (all day!!!) about careers A completely wasted day, totally and utterly caused by workshy teachers who should be ashamed of themselves !!![/p][/quote]I was going to make an angry, if reasoned reply, but clearly there is no point when dealing with your sort. PJC
  • Score: -4

2:12pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

It all rather depends on the individual teacher and, to some extent, the type of lessons they take.

Why would a PE teacher be spending their evenings 'planning' lessons? There are numerous types of lessons where such planning isn't really an issue.

My brother in law is a deputy head, and when you hear teachers talk *hoenstly* about what they do, you realise that the notion of them all slaving away 'for the children' throughout the school holidays is absolute farce.

The problem here is the NUT. Now that Bob Crow's off the scene, they are by far the most militant major public sector union in the country and they are hell-bent on making life difficult for any government other than their Labour puppets.

Consider their statement:


"Two out of five teachers new to the profession are considering leaving"


Why on earth is this considered a 'bad' thing? By definition, new teachers are either going to be young (and so prone to changing career or having children) and plenty of people new to any job discover that it's not for them and consider doing something else.

Maybe some of those new teachers want to leave the profession because of the bully boy, hard line left-wing approach of the NUT.
It all rather depends on the individual teacher and, to some extent, the type of lessons they take. Why would a PE teacher be spending their evenings 'planning' lessons? There are numerous types of lessons where such planning isn't really an issue. My brother in law is a deputy head, and when you hear teachers talk *hoenstly* about what they do, you realise that the notion of them all slaving away 'for the children' throughout the school holidays is absolute farce. The problem here is the NUT. Now that Bob Crow's off the scene, they are by far the most militant major public sector union in the country and they are hell-bent on making life difficult for any government other than their Labour puppets. Consider their statement: [quote] "Two out of five teachers new to the profession are considering leaving" [/quote] Why on earth is this considered a 'bad' thing? By definition, new teachers are either going to be young (and so prone to changing career or having children) and plenty of people new to any job discover that it's not for them and consider doing something else. Maybe some of those new teachers want to leave the profession because of the bully boy, hard line left-wing approach of the NUT. ChannelX
  • Score: 8

2:15pm Tue 25 Mar 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

PJC wrote:
Old Town wrote:
PJC wrote:
My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!!
Are you seriously suggesting the average teacher works 12 hours a day - what 7am-7pm ?!?

If you think that, you are living in cloud cuckoo land !

What is a lazy cliche about holidays ? Do teachers not get huge amounts of holiday compared to most working people then ? Is this some sort of myth ?

I just went on my child's school website - and looked at the term times. This gives 67 days holiday this year to teachers - I think the average is around 22-25 days. So YES, I would say absolutely they receive VAST amounts of holiday - please explain the "lazy cliche" here ?

My daughter (in year 10) is also going in tomorrow - not to be taught anything unfortunately as even the teachers still going into work will not move across and teach children outside their standard classroom - she now has an outside company coming in to talk (all day!!!) about careers

A completely wasted day, totally and utterly caused by workshy teachers who should be ashamed of themselves !!!
I was going to make an angry, if reasoned reply, but clearly there is no point when dealing with your sort.
If can do! if you can't teach.
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!![/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting the average teacher works 12 hours a day - what 7am-7pm ?!? If you think that, you are living in cloud cuckoo land ! What is a lazy cliche about holidays ? Do teachers not get huge amounts of holiday compared to most working people then ? Is this some sort of myth ? I just went on my child's school website - and looked at the term times. This gives 67 days holiday this year to teachers - I think the average is around 22-25 days. So YES, I would say absolutely they receive VAST amounts of holiday - please explain the "lazy cliche" here ? My daughter (in year 10) is also going in tomorrow - not to be taught anything unfortunately as even the teachers still going into work will not move across and teach children outside their standard classroom - she now has an outside company coming in to talk (all day!!!) about careers A completely wasted day, totally and utterly caused by workshy teachers who should be ashamed of themselves !!![/p][/quote]I was going to make an angry, if reasoned reply, but clearly there is no point when dealing with your sort.[/p][/quote]If can do! if you can't teach. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -5

2:22pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Davey Gravey says...

Do any of you opinionated idiots have any idea how hard teachers work?
Maybe if you asked some and listened, instead of spouting the utter **** you are you might wake up to the facts. Fools
Do any of you opinionated idiots have any idea how hard teachers work? Maybe if you asked some and listened, instead of spouting the utter **** you are you might wake up to the facts. Fools Davey Gravey
  • Score: -9

2:26pm Tue 25 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

PJC wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
I hope they all get fined very heavily. They're a law unto themselves, get £30,000+ and about 12 weeks holiday and only work about six hours a day. They are a pathetic bunch of lefties.
That is utter BS!
Most of my colleagues get and are, exactly what I said. Maybe you would like to put your ideas on here instead of just being an offensive, inarticulate person of limited vocabulary.
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: I hope they all get fined very heavily. They're a law unto themselves, get £30,000+ and about 12 weeks holiday and only work about six hours a day. They are a pathetic bunch of lefties.[/p][/quote]That is utter BS![/p][/quote]Most of my colleagues get and are, exactly what I said. Maybe you would like to put your ideas on here instead of just being an offensive, inarticulate person of limited vocabulary. stfcdod
  • Score: -5

2:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Old Town says...

PJC wrote:
Old Town wrote:
PJC wrote:
My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!!
Are you seriously suggesting the average teacher works 12 hours a day - what 7am-7pm ?!?

If you think that, you are living in cloud cuckoo land !

What is a lazy cliche about holidays ? Do teachers not get huge amounts of holiday compared to most working people then ? Is this some sort of myth ?

I just went on my child's school website - and looked at the term times. This gives 67 days holiday this year to teachers - I think the average is around 22-25 days. So YES, I would say absolutely they receive VAST amounts of holiday - please explain the "lazy cliche" here ?

My daughter (in year 10) is also going in tomorrow - not to be taught anything unfortunately as even the teachers still going into work will not move across and teach children outside their standard classroom - she now has an outside company coming in to talk (all day!!!) about careers

A completely wasted day, totally and utterly caused by workshy teachers who should be ashamed of themselves !!!
I was going to make an angry, if reasoned reply, but clearly there is no point when dealing with your sort.
My sort ?

Sounds like you wouldn't know how to have a debate even if you wanted one.....

Unfortunately just having a pop at me means nothing, just shows a lack of understanding on your part......
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: My son is still going to school, on a modified timetable. Perhaps parents who moan should actually take an interest in their spawn, instead of treating the education system as a babysitting service, then assuaging their guilt by just buying 'stuff' for their kids? 6 hours a day? Try doubling that at least, and as for the lazy cliché about holidays....Pehh!![/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting the average teacher works 12 hours a day - what 7am-7pm ?!? If you think that, you are living in cloud cuckoo land ! What is a lazy cliche about holidays ? Do teachers not get huge amounts of holiday compared to most working people then ? Is this some sort of myth ? I just went on my child's school website - and looked at the term times. This gives 67 days holiday this year to teachers - I think the average is around 22-25 days. So YES, I would say absolutely they receive VAST amounts of holiday - please explain the "lazy cliche" here ? My daughter (in year 10) is also going in tomorrow - not to be taught anything unfortunately as even the teachers still going into work will not move across and teach children outside their standard classroom - she now has an outside company coming in to talk (all day!!!) about careers A completely wasted day, totally and utterly caused by workshy teachers who should be ashamed of themselves !!![/p][/quote]I was going to make an angry, if reasoned reply, but clearly there is no point when dealing with your sort.[/p][/quote]My sort ? Sounds like you wouldn't know how to have a debate even if you wanted one..... Unfortunately just having a pop at me means nothing, just shows a lack of understanding on your part...... Old Town
  • Score: 3

2:33pm Tue 25 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Do any of you opinionated idiots have any idea how hard teachers work?
Maybe if you asked some and listened, instead of spouting the utter **** you are you might wake up to the facts. Fools
Yes, there are some teachers that do work hard but the majority of my colleagues do not and many of them are off sick with stress related illnesses. Stress? They have no idea what stress is but with a strong union behind them, they can get away with it.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Do any of you opinionated idiots have any idea how hard teachers work? Maybe if you asked some and listened, instead of spouting the utter **** you are you might wake up to the facts. Fools[/p][/quote]Yes, there are some teachers that do work hard but the majority of my colleagues do not and many of them are off sick with stress related illnesses. Stress? They have no idea what stress is but with a strong union behind them, they can get away with it. stfcdod
  • Score: 4

2:36pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Davey Gravey says...

stfcdod wrote:
PJC wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
I hope they all get fined very heavily. They're a law unto themselves, get £30,000+ and about 12 weeks holiday and only work about six hours a day. They are a pathetic bunch of lefties.
That is utter BS!
Most of my colleagues get and are, exactly what I said. Maybe you would like to put your ideas on here instead of just being an offensive, inarticulate person of limited vocabulary.
Your arguement didn't get past the 6 hour part. **** summed it up well.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: I hope they all get fined very heavily. They're a law unto themselves, get £30,000+ and about 12 weeks holiday and only work about six hours a day. They are a pathetic bunch of lefties.[/p][/quote]That is utter BS![/p][/quote]Most of my colleagues get and are, exactly what I said. Maybe you would like to put your ideas on here instead of just being an offensive, inarticulate person of limited vocabulary.[/p][/quote]Your arguement didn't get past the 6 hour part. **** summed it up well. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -8

2:50pm Tue 25 Mar 14

nelle2705 says...

You CAN fine Schools for strike actions and such like for disrupting your child's education. Although the sad thing is NO parent will actually do this cause in this day and age NO ONE sticks together anymore unlike the days of the Poll Tax where everyone that disagreed stood in unison and got it abolished. GROW A BACK BONE PEOPLE !!!!! START STANDING UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND STOP BEING SO CHUFFIN LAZY ABOUT THINKING OH THE NEXT PERSON CAN DO IT .... If you think it's wrong then put together an invoice and send it to the school giving the 28 days to pay, if no payment then take to small claims court and YES you will win. Research it. I did ... Simples.
You CAN fine Schools for strike actions and such like for disrupting your child's education. Although the sad thing is NO parent will actually do this cause in this day and age NO ONE sticks together anymore unlike the days of the Poll Tax where everyone that disagreed stood in unison and got it abolished. GROW A BACK BONE PEOPLE !!!!! START STANDING UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND STOP BEING SO CHUFFIN LAZY ABOUT THINKING OH THE NEXT PERSON CAN DO IT .... If you think it's wrong then put together an invoice and send it to the school giving the 28 days to pay, if no payment then take to small claims court and YES you will win. Research it. I did ... Simples. nelle2705
  • Score: -1

3:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

trolley dolley says...

Why Davey Gravey do you call people fools for not ageing with you.

The fools are the workshy teachers who will do anything except work for money.

They put childrens education at risk for selfish reasons and then expect sympathy for their cause.

Get back to work you idle bunch.
Why Davey Gravey do you call people fools for not ageing with you. The fools are the workshy teachers who will do anything except work for money. They put childrens education at risk for selfish reasons and then expect sympathy for their cause. Get back to work you idle bunch. trolley dolley
  • Score: 4

3:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

trolley dolley says...

Sorry for the typo what I should have said is AGREEING not ageing.
Sorry for the typo what I should have said is AGREEING not ageing. trolley dolley
  • Score: 6

3:20pm Tue 25 Mar 14

King Doink says...

You negative posters are a bunch of c****!!
U should all become teachers, think of all that time off you would get!!
You negative posters are a bunch of c****!! U should all become teachers, think of all that time off you would get!! King Doink
  • Score: -10

3:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

CocoaClown says...

Problem is they won't want to put the hours in.

People have a jaded view that teachers work 8.45am-3.15pm, term time only. Yet they fail to see the hours spent marking and lesson planning, the stress of dealing with a class of 30 children some of whom are disruptive or require extra attention due to special needs.

And it isn't the school or teachers who fine you for not sending your children to school. They are doing as they are told. If you have issue with that then speak to Mr Gove!
Problem is they won't want to put the hours in. People have a jaded view that teachers work 8.45am-3.15pm, term time only. Yet they fail to see the hours spent marking and lesson planning, the stress of dealing with a class of 30 children some of whom are disruptive or require extra attention due to special needs. And it isn't the school or teachers who fine you for not sending your children to school. They are doing as they are told. If you have issue with that then speak to Mr Gove! CocoaClown
  • Score: -1

3:47pm Tue 25 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Do any of you opinionated idiots have any idea how hard teachers work?
Maybe if you asked some and listened, instead of spouting the utter **** you are you might wake up to the facts. Fools
Most teachers do work hard and actually care about providing a good education, but there are some who clearly dont. As I said before, do they work these 10 hour days every day or just some of them? How many hours would they work in a year compared with the "standard" 9 - 5 workers? I bet no one has ever even looked at that. We all have days and even weeks when we work longer hours than others, so lets try and get some reality here before we can say one way or the other how "hard" they actually work.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Do any of you opinionated idiots have any idea how hard teachers work? Maybe if you asked some and listened, instead of spouting the utter **** you are you might wake up to the facts. Fools[/p][/quote]Most teachers do work hard and actually care about providing a good education, but there are some who clearly dont. As I said before, do they work these 10 hour days every day or just some of them? How many hours would they work in a year compared with the "standard" 9 - 5 workers? I bet no one has ever even looked at that. We all have days and even weeks when we work longer hours than others, so lets try and get some reality here before we can say one way or the other how "hard" they actually work. house on the hill
  • Score: 2

3:53pm Tue 25 Mar 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Do any of you opinionated idiots have any idea how hard teachers work?
Maybe if you asked some and listened, instead of spouting the utter **** you are you might wake up to the facts. Fools
Teachers must leave the public payroll and be employed by private contractors, if they work hard and deliver good results they should get a bonus but if they fail to deliver then no bonus. Payrise linked to performance and not on the scale
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Do any of you opinionated idiots have any idea how hard teachers work? Maybe if you asked some and listened, instead of spouting the utter **** you are you might wake up to the facts. Fools[/p][/quote]Teachers must leave the public payroll and be employed by private contractors, if they work hard and deliver good results they should get a bonus but if they fail to deliver then no bonus. Payrise linked to performance and not on the scale A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -1

4:00pm Tue 25 Mar 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

CocoaClown wrote:
Problem is they won't want to put the hours in.

People have a jaded view that teachers work 8.45am-3.15pm, term time only. Yet they fail to see the hours spent marking and lesson planning, the stress of dealing with a class of 30 children some of whom are disruptive or require extra attention due to special needs.

And it isn't the school or teachers who fine you for not sending your children to school. They are doing as they are told. If you have issue with that then speak to Mr Gove!
Do we hear nursery nurses complain or go on strike? no I don't think so
If teacher cannot handle kids, then they are in the wrong profession.
[quote][p][bold]CocoaClown[/bold] wrote: Problem is they won't want to put the hours in. People have a jaded view that teachers work 8.45am-3.15pm, term time only. Yet they fail to see the hours spent marking and lesson planning, the stress of dealing with a class of 30 children some of whom are disruptive or require extra attention due to special needs. And it isn't the school or teachers who fine you for not sending your children to school. They are doing as they are told. If you have issue with that then speak to Mr Gove![/p][/quote]Do we hear nursery nurses complain or go on strike? no I don't think so If teacher cannot handle kids, then they are in the wrong profession. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 3

4:48pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Spurs Fan says...

Privatise education????? Are people on here serious. Look at the former public industries that are now privatised no one has a good word to say about them, the utilities rip people off, the railways are a farce, the NHS is going down hill faster than an Olympic skier. Privatisation is no panacea for eduction. Most people seem to be complaining not about the loss to their children's education but to the disruption it will cause them with work!
Privatise education????? Are people on here serious. Look at the former public industries that are now privatised no one has a good word to say about them, the utilities rip people off, the railways are a farce, the NHS is going down hill faster than an Olympic skier. Privatisation is no panacea for eduction. Most people seem to be complaining not about the loss to their children's education but to the disruption it will cause them with work! Spurs Fan
  • Score: -2

5:18pm Tue 25 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

Spurs Fan wrote:
Privatise education????? Are people on here serious. Look at the former public industries that are now privatised no one has a good word to say about them, the utilities rip people off, the railways are a farce, the NHS is going down hill faster than an Olympic skier. Privatisation is no panacea for eduction. Most people seem to be complaining not about the loss to their children's education but to the disruption it will cause them with work!
You obviously can't see the wood for the trees over there in Sherwood forest.
[quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: Privatise education????? Are people on here serious. Look at the former public industries that are now privatised no one has a good word to say about them, the utilities rip people off, the railways are a farce, the NHS is going down hill faster than an Olympic skier. Privatisation is no panacea for eduction. Most people seem to be complaining not about the loss to their children's education but to the disruption it will cause them with work![/p][/quote]You obviously can't see the wood for the trees over there in Sherwood forest. stfcdod
  • Score: -2

5:37pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Do any of you opinionated idiots have any idea how hard teachers work?
Maybe if you asked some and listened, instead of spouting the utter **** you are you might wake up to the facts. Fools
My brother in law is a deputy head. Two of my good friends are comprehensive school teachers.

Away from their colleagues and union influence, it's VERY interesting to hear them talk honestly about what their work levels are like.

Don't believe the hype, Davey - they're taking you for a ride.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Do any of you opinionated idiots have any idea how hard teachers work? Maybe if you asked some and listened, instead of spouting the utter **** you are you might wake up to the facts. Fools[/p][/quote]My brother in law is a deputy head. Two of my good friends are comprehensive school teachers. Away from their colleagues and union influence, it's VERY interesting to hear them talk honestly about what their work levels are like. Don't believe the hype, Davey - they're taking you for a ride. ChannelX
  • Score: 8

5:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Spurs Fan says...

stfcdod, I don't get the Sherwood forest reference but, are you saying getting firms like G4S or Capita in to run schools is teh way ahead? Privatisation or outsourcing does not work. Look at where this already happens and it is a disaster, the DWP, prisons the NHS etc.

I don't know your level of involvement with the education system is stfcdod but i would like to hear your thoughts on improving things.All teachers are now only paid by performance, there are no longer automatic pay increases linked to time spent in the profession, so comments like the one by A Baron Cohen no longer apply. There are undoubtedly things that can be learned from the private sector but in my opinion the privatisation of education will not work.
stfcdod, I don't get the Sherwood forest reference but, are you saying getting firms like G4S or Capita in to run schools is teh way ahead? Privatisation or outsourcing does not work. Look at where this already happens and it is a disaster, the DWP, prisons the NHS etc. I don't know your level of involvement with the education system is stfcdod but i would like to hear your thoughts on improving things.All teachers are now only paid by performance, there are no longer automatic pay increases linked to time spent in the profession, so comments like the one by A Baron Cohen no longer apply. There are undoubtedly things that can be learned from the private sector but in my opinion the privatisation of education will not work. Spurs Fan
  • Score: 2

5:50pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Spurs Fan says...

ChannelX your experience of teaching is very jaded in my opinion. I know upwards of 200+ people who work in education and from Executive Head Teachers to MDSAs they all work extremely hard. Many in the profession are under appreciated and paid relatively poorly. I would probably say to you that it is you that believe the hype peddled by the popular media.
ChannelX your experience of teaching is very jaded in my opinion. I know upwards of 200+ people who work in education and from Executive Head Teachers to MDSAs they all work extremely hard. Many in the profession are under appreciated and paid relatively poorly. I would probably say to you that it is you that believe the hype peddled by the popular media. Spurs Fan
  • Score: -6

6:29pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ChаnnelX says...

Spurs Fan, please re-read my posts, if you are able to using your tiny left-wing brain. MY BROTHER IN LAW IS A DEPUTY HEAD, so I don't CARE how many teachers you 'know', *I * am RELATED to one.

I know all about teaching because he talks *honestly* (sorry about the previous spelling mistake of that word) about what they do, and that is frankly very little.

The notion that they are slaving away 'for the children' throughout the holidays is simply an insult to my inteligance.

We need a clean sweep of ALL teachers now that Bob Crow is off the scene, get some young blood in who *really* know what they are doing.

Outstanding.
Spurs Fan, please re-read my posts, if you are able to using your tiny left-wing brain. MY BROTHER IN LAW IS A DEPUTY HEAD, so I don't CARE how many teachers you 'know', *I * am RELATED to one. I know all about teaching because he talks *honestly* (sorry about the previous spelling mistake of that word) about what they do, and that is frankly very little. The notion that they are slaving away 'for the children' throughout the holidays is simply an insult to my inteligance. We need a clean sweep of ALL teachers now that Bob Crow is off the scene, get some young blood in who *really* know what they are doing. Outstanding. ChаnnelX
  • Score: 2

6:57pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Spurs Fan says...

ChannelX why the insults, are you with your big right wing brain unable to hold a civilised debate/conversation without resorting to insults and block capitals? I am chair of governors at a local school and a former member of SBCs schools forum so know a little about education. I never said all teachers are slaving away in school holidays but many conscientious ones are.

I also fail to see what Bob Crow former rail and maritime union leader has to do with this debate about education are you are searching for tenuous links to pedal your right wing bias, I wonder? As I said many ideas in public sector employment could be used to raise standards in education. However, the imposition of companies such as Capita and G4S would not in my opinion raise standards. The evidence in the NHS, Prison Service and local government would point to this being a potential disaster

ChannelX one final comment if you were related to a rocket scientist would that make you an expert on the subject?.
ChannelX why the insults, are you with your big right wing brain unable to hold a civilised debate/conversation without resorting to insults and block capitals? I am chair of governors at a local school and a former member of SBCs schools forum so know a little about education. I never said all teachers are slaving away in school holidays but many conscientious ones are. I also fail to see what Bob Crow former rail and maritime union leader has to do with this debate about education are you are searching for tenuous links to pedal your right wing bias, I wonder? As I said many ideas in public sector employment could be used to raise standards in education. However, the imposition of companies such as Capita and G4S would not in my opinion raise standards. The evidence in the NHS, Prison Service and local government would point to this being a potential disaster ChannelX one final comment if you were related to a rocket scientist would that make you an expert on the subject?. Spurs Fan
  • Score: 1

7:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ChаnnelX says...

Spurs Fan, every year around November the 5th I let off a lot of fireworks, many of which are rockets, I therefore don't NEED to be related to any type of firework to know how to light one in a milk bottle.
Spurs Fan, every year around November the 5th I let off a lot of fireworks, many of which are rockets, I therefore don't NEED to be related to any type of firework to know how to light one in a milk bottle. ChаnnelX
  • Score: -3

7:21pm Tue 25 Mar 14

PJC says...

stfcdod wrote:
PJC wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
I hope they all get fined very heavily. They're a law unto themselves, get £30,000+ and about 12 weeks holiday and only work about six hours a day. They are a pathetic bunch of lefties.
That is utter BS!
Most of my colleagues get and are, exactly what I said. Maybe you would like to put your ideas on here instead of just being an offensive, inarticulate person of limited vocabulary.
Well if that's true, they shouldn't be teachers. I am far from inarticulate and offensive, I would just like you to back up your accusations with some empirical evidence, if you'd be so kind?...
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: I hope they all get fined very heavily. They're a law unto themselves, get £30,000+ and about 12 weeks holiday and only work about six hours a day. They are a pathetic bunch of lefties.[/p][/quote]That is utter BS![/p][/quote]Most of my colleagues get and are, exactly what I said. Maybe you would like to put your ideas on here instead of just being an offensive, inarticulate person of limited vocabulary.[/p][/quote]Well if that's true, they shouldn't be teachers. I am far from inarticulate and offensive, I would just like you to back up your accusations with some empirical evidence, if you'd be so kind?... PJC
  • Score: 1

7:23pm Tue 25 Mar 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Any teacher taking strike action should be on a picket line at their school. I wonder whether I'll see a picket line at my children's school tomorrow..... I doubt it.

I wonder how many will use the excuse "my kids off school so I can't be on the picket"......!
Any teacher taking strike action should be on a picket line at their school. I wonder whether I'll see a picket line at my children's school tomorrow..... I doubt it. I wonder how many will use the excuse "my kids off school so I can't be on the picket"......! LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 3

7:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

Spurs Fan wrote:
stfcdod, I don't get the Sherwood forest reference but, are you saying getting firms like G4S or Capita in to run schools is teh way ahead? Privatisation or outsourcing does not work. Look at where this already happens and it is a disaster, the DWP, prisons the NHS etc.

I don't know your level of involvement with the education system is stfcdod but i would like to hear your thoughts on improving things.All teachers are now only paid by performance, there are no longer automatic pay increases linked to time spent in the profession, so comments like the one by A Baron Cohen no longer apply. There are undoubtedly things that can be learned from the private sector but in my opinion the privatisation of education will not work.
Spurs fan and Sherwood. Sorry you can't see the connection.
By the way, I didn't say any of those things you suggest I did.
[quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: stfcdod, I don't get the Sherwood forest reference but, are you saying getting firms like G4S or Capita in to run schools is teh way ahead? Privatisation or outsourcing does not work. Look at where this already happens and it is a disaster, the DWP, prisons the NHS etc. I don't know your level of involvement with the education system is stfcdod but i would like to hear your thoughts on improving things.All teachers are now only paid by performance, there are no longer automatic pay increases linked to time spent in the profession, so comments like the one by A Baron Cohen no longer apply. There are undoubtedly things that can be learned from the private sector but in my opinion the privatisation of education will not work.[/p][/quote]Spurs fan and Sherwood. Sorry you can't see the connection. By the way, I didn't say any of those things you suggest I did. stfcdod
  • Score: -3

9:45pm Tue 25 Mar 14

LocalBob80 says...

I'm related to channel X so I am fantastic
I'm related to channel X so I am fantastic LocalBob80
  • Score: 3

10:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

easternsideoftown says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Any teacher taking strike action should be on a picket line at their school. I wonder whether I'll see a picket line at my children's school tomorrow..... I doubt it.

I wonder how many will use the excuse "my kids off school so I can't be on the picket"......!
A few years ago, our primary school was shut due to a 'teacher training day', .... So much for a days training, by 10 am a teacher put up photos on Facebook of her and her pre school children feeding the ducks at Coate Water followed by lunch with friends. The same primary school tag on two teacher training days next to the Christmas break and do the training on a few evenings so they can go Christmas Shopping. It's not just this school, I have two secondary teacher aquaintances in different Wiltshire schools and their schools do the same close to Christmas. Not only that, the two of them spend every weekend and holiday at their holiday home across the Severn bridge doing up houses for investment - not planning or marking, no out of hours work that some on here claim teachers do or have no choice but to do. Unbelievable! If only we all had long holidays and weekends with good pay. Teachers don't get my support in this strike.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: Any teacher taking strike action should be on a picket line at their school. I wonder whether I'll see a picket line at my children's school tomorrow..... I doubt it. I wonder how many will use the excuse "my kids off school so I can't be on the picket"......![/p][/quote]A few years ago, our primary school was shut due to a 'teacher training day', .... So much for a days training, by 10 am a teacher put up photos on Facebook of her and her pre school children feeding the ducks at Coate Water followed by lunch with friends. The same primary school tag on two teacher training days next to the Christmas break and do the training on a few evenings so they can go Christmas Shopping. It's not just this school, I have two secondary teacher aquaintances in different Wiltshire schools and their schools do the same close to Christmas. Not only that, the two of them spend every weekend and holiday at their holiday home across the Severn bridge doing up houses for investment - not planning or marking, no out of hours work that some on here claim teachers do or have no choice but to do. Unbelievable! If only we all had long holidays and weekends with good pay. Teachers don't get my support in this strike. easternsideoftown
  • Score: 8

3:45am Wed 26 Mar 14

attilla the hun says...

sack the striking teachers, re employ those that that want to work with reduced pension entitlement, shorter holidays, lower salary's, pay a by results bonus, and fine them for every days absence without a valid reason or doctors certificate
sack the striking teachers, re employ those that that want to work with reduced pension entitlement, shorter holidays, lower salary's, pay a by results bonus, and fine them for every days absence without a valid reason or doctors certificate attilla the hun
  • Score: 3

9:38am Wed 26 Mar 14

ChannelX says...

Spurs Fan wrote:
ChannelX why the insults, are you with your big right wing brain unable to hold a civilised debate/conversation without resorting to insults and block capitals? I am chair of governors at a local school and a former member of SBCs schools forum so know a little about education. I never said all teachers are slaving away in school holidays but many conscientious ones are.

I also fail to see what Bob Crow former rail and maritime union leader has to do with this debate about education are you are searching for tenuous links to pedal your right wing bias, I wonder? As I said many ideas in public sector employment could be used to raise standards in education. However, the imposition of companies such as Capita and G4S would not in my opinion raise standards. The evidence in the NHS, Prison Service and local government would point to this being a potential disaster

ChannelX one final comment if you were related to a rocket scientist would that make you an expert on the subject?.
The person who cloned my account made the last couple of posts that appear under my username.

But to answer your last question: no, being related to a rocket scientist wouldn't make me an expert on rocket science, but I would have a greater understanding of whether they work from 7am til 7pm every day and spend 5 weeks doing very little over the summer months.
[quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: ChannelX why the insults, are you with your big right wing brain unable to hold a civilised debate/conversation without resorting to insults and block capitals? I am chair of governors at a local school and a former member of SBCs schools forum so know a little about education. I never said all teachers are slaving away in school holidays but many conscientious ones are. I also fail to see what Bob Crow former rail and maritime union leader has to do with this debate about education are you are searching for tenuous links to pedal your right wing bias, I wonder? As I said many ideas in public sector employment could be used to raise standards in education. However, the imposition of companies such as Capita and G4S would not in my opinion raise standards. The evidence in the NHS, Prison Service and local government would point to this being a potential disaster ChannelX one final comment if you were related to a rocket scientist would that make you an expert on the subject?.[/p][/quote]The person who cloned my account made the last couple of posts that appear under my username. But to answer your last question: no, being related to a rocket scientist wouldn't make me an expert on rocket science, but I would have a greater understanding of whether they work from 7am til 7pm every day and spend 5 weeks doing very little over the summer months. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

3:50pm Thu 27 Mar 14

SwindonWatcher says...

Lazy gits!!!! Striking should be illegal. So much holiday and then supposed training days straight after.

Stop whining and get to work.....we don't get lots of holiday and still work.

All teachers should be sacked if they can't be bothered to teach.

You chose your career, live with it or fek off and do something else you moaning tosspots!!!
Lazy gits!!!! Striking should be illegal. So much holiday and then supposed training days straight after. Stop whining and get to work.....we don't get lots of holiday and still work. All teachers should be sacked if they can't be bothered to teach. You chose your career, live with it or fek off and do something else you moaning tosspots!!! SwindonWatcher
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Thu 27 Mar 14

SwindonWatcher says...

Personally I think they are scared of getting paid less......performanc
e related pay for some of them would definitely mean a reduction. Bloody useless some of them.

If I do not perform in my job, I get sacked or warned, teachers seem to think they are a law above all other workers.

I'm sorry if my views offend but hey, freedom of speech and all that. Oh, and I don't need to go on strike because I'm not worried about hard work.

Back to work ya lazy gits!!!
Personally I think they are scared of getting paid less......performanc e related pay for some of them would definitely mean a reduction. Bloody useless some of them. If I do not perform in my job, I get sacked or warned, teachers seem to think they are a law above all other workers. I'm sorry if my views offend but hey, freedom of speech and all that. Oh, and I don't need to go on strike because I'm not worried about hard work. Back to work ya lazy gits!!! SwindonWatcher
  • Score: 0

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