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Swindon Advertiser: Top workers barred from leaving Honda Top workers barred from leaving Honda

THIRTY per cent of the 1,800 workers at risk of losing their jobs at Honda are not being offered voluntary redundancy packages, according to Unite’s Jim D’Avila.

The union fired the first shots as battle lines were drawn at Honda’s plant in South Marston, where representatives from both sides sat down to negotiate the consultation process.

Mr D’Avila, Unite’s regional co-ordinating officer in Swindon, has said Unite are already at loggerheads with the car giant over how many workers will be offered Honda’s Associate Release Programme.

Honda has written to all 1,837 production associates at risk, but the top-performing 30 per cent, those who achieved high marks in recent appraisals, will not be allowed to leave voluntarily.

The car maker chose not to comment on discussions being held between its representatives and Unite, out of respect to those individuals involved in the consultation process.

The decision has been branded a “fix” and “corrupt” by Mr D’Avila, who also said the car giant has asked workers to begin overtime shifts, despite Tuesday’s announcement to release 500 workers.

“They are at risk of being accused of favouritism,” said Mr D’Avila. “They are abusing the system before it’s even started.

“If you are having a voluntary process and telling everybody at risk about it, it’s discriminatory to then leave out 200 to 300 workers.

“If they think we are going to sit there in two to three weeks time with only 200 volunteers of the 340 permanent staff needed, with 50 wanting to leave from the top 30 per cent, they are joking.

“People are telling us it’s corrupt, being done this way. You can’t fix the rules.

“We are talking about production associates, after four weeks they can all do the job competently.”

More than 550 workers agreed to voluntary redundancy terms at Honda in 2013, when 800 jobs were lost.

And Unite said it hoped the process would run as smoothly as last year, with a similar process to be taken forward.

“Last year we had all congratulated each other on how well the process went, but now they have completely changed it,” he said.

“They said some of the managers don’t want to see some of their better production workers go.

“I’m saying the workers have some justification saying it’s a fix and corrupt. This is a big bust-up before we have even got into the knockings of it.”

Mr D’Avila said Unite would send out its own documentation to those 30 per cent not being offered voluntary terms, to gauge feedback on how many would take terms if offered them.

The matter of overtime has also stung workers, who yesterday received letters detailing their precarious futures.

“People are offended now because you are asking for overtime. If there’s a need for overtime, why are you announcing redundancies?” said Mr D’Avila.

“Last year when Honda said they wanted overtime, they said it was immoral during the consultation period.

“We have said, if you don’t stop the overtime, we have no choice, but to go through with an industrial ballot banning overtime.”

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6:50am Thu 27 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.
So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are. house on the hill
  • Score: 55

7:23am Thu 27 Mar 14

street2000 says...

Agreed! Good comment and good point!
Agreed! Good comment and good point! street2000
  • Score: 12

8:37am Thu 27 Mar 14

EastleazeRed says...

Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "
Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy " EastleazeRed
  • Score: -27

8:42am Thu 27 Mar 14

EastleazeRed says...

house on the hill wrote:
So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.
If it wasn't for the unions then we'd still have the same pay and working conditions we had during the industrial revolution . I expect you would still be sending children up chimneys if you had your way ?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.[/p][/quote]If it wasn't for the unions then we'd still have the same pay and working conditions we had during the industrial revolution . I expect you would still be sending children up chimneys if you had your way ? EastleazeRed
  • Score: -37

10:11am Thu 27 Mar 14

Robh says...

"The decision has been branded a “fix” and “corrupt” by Mr D’Avila, who also said the car giant has asked workers to begin overtime shifts, despite Tuesday’s announcement to release 500 workers."

Shows why he is a failed parliamentary candidate and failed councillor.
"The decision has been branded a “fix” and “corrupt” by Mr D’Avila, who also said the car giant has asked workers to begin overtime shifts, despite Tuesday’s announcement to release 500 workers." Shows why he is a failed parliamentary candidate and failed councillor. Robh
  • Score: 21

10:32am Thu 27 Mar 14

AndySN3 says...

Surely this story just goes to prove why unions are out of touch and a stumbling block to improving our economy??
An employer will always choose to keep the best employee's, that is survival of the fittest, surely?
From what I read, the Unite union rep at Honda is spoiling for a fight, at whatever cost. It is easy to call for action etc as a union rep, but real working people in the real world can't afford to be used as pawns to play a power game.
I have every sympathy for the Honda employee's, I spent 6 years working there myself, but I am sure Honda are not relishing having to make difficult decisions so soon after the last round of cuts?
Surely this story just goes to prove why unions are out of touch and a stumbling block to improving our economy?? An employer will always choose to keep the best employee's, that is survival of the fittest, surely? From what I read, the Unite union rep at Honda is spoiling for a fight, at whatever cost. It is easy to call for action etc as a union rep, but real working people in the real world can't afford to be used as pawns to play a power game. I have every sympathy for the Honda employee's, I spent 6 years working there myself, but I am sure Honda are not relishing having to make difficult decisions so soon after the last round of cuts? AndySN3
  • Score: 35

10:39am Thu 27 Mar 14

Old Town says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "
Loving the Leftie response - Blue eyed Boy !!!

You mean someone working hard, going the extra mile (rather than sticking to the union mantra of doing the bare minimum) and trying to help the company being rewarded with the fact that they don't have to worry about the redundancies

Makes absolute perfect business sense by Honda !
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "[/p][/quote]Loving the Leftie response - Blue eyed Boy !!! You mean someone working hard, going the extra mile (rather than sticking to the union mantra of doing the bare minimum) and trying to help the company being rewarded with the fact that they don't have to worry about the redundancies Makes absolute perfect business sense by Honda ! Old Town
  • Score: 34

10:56am Thu 27 Mar 14

EastleazeRed says...

Old Town wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote:
Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "
Loving the Leftie response - Blue eyed Boy !!!

You mean someone working hard, going the extra mile (rather than sticking to the union mantra of doing the bare minimum) and trying to help the company being rewarded with the fact that they don't have to worry about the redundancies

Makes absolute perfect business sense by Honda !
Well that's the first time I've been called a leftie :-D Seriously though I work in a similar environment and this type of favouritism goes on all the time , we all work as hard as each other but some get looked after better than others .
[quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "[/p][/quote]Loving the Leftie response - Blue eyed Boy !!! You mean someone working hard, going the extra mile (rather than sticking to the union mantra of doing the bare minimum) and trying to help the company being rewarded with the fact that they don't have to worry about the redundancies Makes absolute perfect business sense by Honda ![/p][/quote]Well that's the first time I've been called a leftie :-D Seriously though I work in a similar environment and this type of favouritism goes on all the time , we all work as hard as each other but some get looked after better than others . EastleazeRed
  • Score: -8

11:10am Thu 27 Mar 14

The Real Librarian says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
Old Town wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote: Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "
Loving the Leftie response - Blue eyed Boy !!! You mean someone working hard, going the extra mile (rather than sticking to the union mantra of doing the bare minimum) and trying to help the company being rewarded with the fact that they don't have to worry about the redundancies Makes absolute perfect business sense by Honda !
Well that's the first time I've been called a leftie :-D Seriously though I work in a similar environment and this type of favouritism goes on all the time , we all work as hard as each other but some get looked after better than others .
The "blue-eyed boys" in this case have good appraisal scores, do good work and turn up on time and don't go sick much.

Why on earth would Honda want to keep them?
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "[/p][/quote]Loving the Leftie response - Blue eyed Boy !!! You mean someone working hard, going the extra mile (rather than sticking to the union mantra of doing the bare minimum) and trying to help the company being rewarded with the fact that they don't have to worry about the redundancies Makes absolute perfect business sense by Honda ![/p][/quote]Well that's the first time I've been called a leftie :-D Seriously though I work in a similar environment and this type of favouritism goes on all the time , we all work as hard as each other but some get looked after better than others .[/p][/quote]The "blue-eyed boys" in this case have good appraisal scores, do good work and turn up on time and don't go sick much. Why on earth would Honda want to keep them? The Real Librarian
  • Score: 13

11:26am Thu 27 Mar 14

Sarah-jane12 says...

If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway. Think about it, why keep on someone who goes sick a lot, and has a poor performance record over someone with a very good record? Sorry, but those who have not performed well should have worked harder! I thought it was done on a scoring system last time anyway.
If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway. Think about it, why keep on someone who goes sick a lot, and has a poor performance record over someone with a very good record? Sorry, but those who have not performed well should have worked harder! I thought it was done on a scoring system last time anyway. Sarah-jane12
  • Score: 20

11:28am Thu 27 Mar 14

EastleazeRed says...

The Real Librarian wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote:
Old Town wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote: Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "
Loving the Leftie response - Blue eyed Boy !!! You mean someone working hard, going the extra mile (rather than sticking to the union mantra of doing the bare minimum) and trying to help the company being rewarded with the fact that they don't have to worry about the redundancies Makes absolute perfect business sense by Honda !
Well that's the first time I've been called a leftie :-D Seriously though I work in a similar environment and this type of favouritism goes on all the time , we all work as hard as each other but some get looked after better than others .
The "blue-eyed boys" in this case have good appraisal scores, do good work and turn up on time and don't go sick much.

Why on earth would Honda want to keep them?
So be it ! But why write to every employee and tell them there iob is at risk and then turn round and say , but if you've been a good boy there's no need to worry . No matter what way you look at it its discrimination .
[quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "[/p][/quote]Loving the Leftie response - Blue eyed Boy !!! You mean someone working hard, going the extra mile (rather than sticking to the union mantra of doing the bare minimum) and trying to help the company being rewarded with the fact that they don't have to worry about the redundancies Makes absolute perfect business sense by Honda ![/p][/quote]Well that's the first time I've been called a leftie :-D Seriously though I work in a similar environment and this type of favouritism goes on all the time , we all work as hard as each other but some get looked after better than others .[/p][/quote]The "blue-eyed boys" in this case have good appraisal scores, do good work and turn up on time and don't go sick much. Why on earth would Honda want to keep them?[/p][/quote]So be it ! But why write to every employee and tell them there iob is at risk and then turn round and say , but if you've been a good boy there's no need to worry . No matter what way you look at it its discrimination . EastleazeRed
  • Score: -8

12:53pm Thu 27 Mar 14

dukeofM4 says...

Look at it from Honda's point of view -

UK Gov't wants a referendum to leave the UK
Expensive UK cost base (all the new factories are in Eastern Europe)
The Pound
Wrangling over planning permissions

Some of this is also Honda's doing, well built, but uninspiring model range and losing market share against improving car market along with overloaded European dealer network.

Honda needs to change. One only has to look at the Korean manufacturers and how they changed their fortunes in 10 short years.
Look at it from Honda's point of view - UK Gov't wants a referendum to leave the UK Expensive UK cost base (all the new factories are in Eastern Europe) The Pound Wrangling over planning permissions Some of this is also Honda's doing, well built, but uninspiring model range and losing market share against improving car market along with overloaded European dealer network. Honda needs to change. One only has to look at the Korean manufacturers and how they changed their fortunes in 10 short years. dukeofM4
  • Score: 13

12:55pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cybercat says...

ok lets get this straight in regards to Honda and the way they are getting shot of workers. if you have a VG or E they don't want you to leave and everyone else that gets a G or N/I will get a package if they would like to leave. So that would make Honda right for them to leave well Wrong when Honda are doing the appraisals the managers are told they are only allowed to give so many VG and E out and the rest get G or N/I . Even if you have had no time off and you work your guts off they still might only get a G. What Honda is doing is wrong its one rule for one and another rule for someone else
ok lets get this straight in regards to Honda and the way they are getting shot of workers. if you have a VG or E they don't want you to leave and everyone else that gets a G or N/I will get a package if they would like to leave. So that would make Honda right for them to leave well Wrong when Honda are doing the appraisals the managers are told they are only allowed to give so many VG and E out and the rest get G or N/I . Even if you have had no time off and you work your guts off they still might only get a G. What Honda is doing is wrong its one rule for one and another rule for someone else cybercat
  • Score: 3

1:14pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Stovepipe says...

When Honda leave town, the roads in Swindon will be a lot safer, a lot of the employees drive way to fast, won't miss them.
When Honda leave town, the roads in Swindon will be a lot safer, a lot of the employees drive way to fast, won't miss them. Stovepipe
  • Score: -5

1:18pm Thu 27 Mar 14

6degreessouth says...

house on the hill wrote:
So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.
Bang on, I remember he days of Austin Rover, British Leyland and Rover the unions had the workers out on strike every week here in Swindon.

Jog on Mr. D'Avila AKA 'Wolfie Smith' from the the Tooting Popular Front.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.[/p][/quote]Bang on, I remember he days of Austin Rover, British Leyland and Rover the unions had the workers out on strike every week here in Swindon. Jog on Mr. D'Avila AKA 'Wolfie Smith' from the the Tooting Popular Front. 6degreessouth
  • Score: 1

2:20pm Thu 27 Mar 14

EastleazeRed says...

6degreessouth wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.
Bang on, I remember he days of Austin Rover, British Leyland and Rover the unions had the workers out on strike every week here in Swindon.

Jog on Mr. D'Avila AKA 'Wolfie Smith' from the the Tooting Popular Front.
Sounds like you're still living in the 70s !
[quote][p][bold]6degreessouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.[/p][/quote]Bang on, I remember he days of Austin Rover, British Leyland and Rover the unions had the workers out on strike every week here in Swindon. Jog on Mr. D'Avila AKA 'Wolfie Smith' from the the Tooting Popular Front.[/p][/quote]Sounds like you're still living in the 70s ! EastleazeRed
  • Score: -2

3:00pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Sarah-jane12 says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
The Real Librarian wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote:
Old Town wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote: Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "
Loving the Leftie response - Blue eyed Boy !!! You mean someone working hard, going the extra mile (rather than sticking to the union mantra of doing the bare minimum) and trying to help the company being rewarded with the fact that they don't have to worry about the redundancies Makes absolute perfect business sense by Honda !
Well that's the first time I've been called a leftie :-D Seriously though I work in a similar environment and this type of favouritism goes on all the time , we all work as hard as each other but some get looked after better than others .
The "blue-eyed boys" in this case have good appraisal scores, do good work and turn up on time and don't go sick much.

Why on earth would Honda want to keep them?
So be it ! But why write to every employee and tell them there iob is at risk and then turn round and say , but if you've been a good boy there's no need to worry . No matter what way you look at it its discrimination .
So what you are saying is just go through the process , offer everyone redundancy and then discreetly deny the top workers anyway! It's what all companies do. If they are cutting staff they need their best workers to remain .and actually if you have worked hard then why shouldn't you be rewarded.
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Real Librarian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: Got to Agree with JDA on this one , if you're offering a voluntary redundancy programme to all associates you cannot discriminate against anyone , its unfair to those who want to stay and may be forced out due to not being " a blue eyed boy "[/p][/quote]Loving the Leftie response - Blue eyed Boy !!! You mean someone working hard, going the extra mile (rather than sticking to the union mantra of doing the bare minimum) and trying to help the company being rewarded with the fact that they don't have to worry about the redundancies Makes absolute perfect business sense by Honda ![/p][/quote]Well that's the first time I've been called a leftie :-D Seriously though I work in a similar environment and this type of favouritism goes on all the time , we all work as hard as each other but some get looked after better than others .[/p][/quote]The "blue-eyed boys" in this case have good appraisal scores, do good work and turn up on time and don't go sick much. Why on earth would Honda want to keep them?[/p][/quote]So be it ! But why write to every employee and tell them there iob is at risk and then turn round and say , but if you've been a good boy there's no need to worry . No matter what way you look at it its discrimination .[/p][/quote]So what you are saying is just go through the process , offer everyone redundancy and then discreetly deny the top workers anyway! It's what all companies do. If they are cutting staff they need their best workers to remain .and actually if you have worked hard then why shouldn't you be rewarded. Sarah-jane12
  • Score: 12

4:06pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Dust says...

"If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway"

Not necessarily! There are plenty of people who would happily take voluntary redundancy even if they are regarded as the top workers. I know many people who've been disgruntled because they've been *forced* to stay on while lesser people get a nice fat payoff.
"If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway" Not necessarily! There are plenty of people who would happily take voluntary redundancy even if they are regarded as the top workers. I know many people who've been disgruntled because they've been *forced* to stay on while lesser people get a nice fat payoff. Dust
  • Score: 3

4:11pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Even Angrier Monkey says...

Only trade unions could be confused by the concept of a company wanting to keep its best workers over medicore ones.
Only trade unions could be confused by the concept of a company wanting to keep its best workers over medicore ones. Even Angrier Monkey
  • Score: 8

4:33pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Rub live says...

A lot of you do not know what your talking about , I've worked for honda for 21 years , haven't had a sick day or been late for the last 5 years , (& that's on the line not a doss job!) & I was graded a good ! So they're quit willing to lose me rather than some brown nose who probably isn't on the line so can follow the team leaders around for the day. So although I'm not or never felt the need to be a union man , I think Jim is right it is "corrupt & a fix " . And their are some who were graded very good who would take the money , so they have been shot in the foot.
A lot of you do not know what your talking about , I've worked for honda for 21 years , haven't had a sick day or been late for the last 5 years , (& that's on the line not a doss job!) & I was graded a good ! So they're quit willing to lose me rather than some brown nose who probably isn't on the line so can follow the team leaders around for the day. So although I'm not or never felt the need to be a union man , I think Jim is right it is "corrupt & a fix " . And their are some who were graded very good who would take the money , so they have been shot in the foot. Rub live
  • Score: 17

4:57pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cybercat says...

Rub live wrote:
A lot of you do not know what your talking about , I've worked for honda for 21 years , haven't had a sick day or been late for the last 5 years , (& that's on the line not a doss job!) & I was graded a good ! So they're quit willing to lose me rather than some brown nose who probably isn't on the line so can follow the team leaders around for the day. So although I'm not or never felt the need to be a union man , I think Jim is right it is "corrupt & a fix " . And their are some who were graded very good who would take the money , so they have been shot in the foot.
well said got to agree with you there my husband works for Honda has not been off sick and never late and I agree it is a corrupt and a fix
[quote][p][bold]Rub live[/bold] wrote: A lot of you do not know what your talking about , I've worked for honda for 21 years , haven't had a sick day or been late for the last 5 years , (& that's on the line not a doss job!) & I was graded a good ! So they're quit willing to lose me rather than some brown nose who probably isn't on the line so can follow the team leaders around for the day. So although I'm not or never felt the need to be a union man , I think Jim is right it is "corrupt & a fix " . And their are some who were graded very good who would take the money , so they have been shot in the foot.[/p][/quote]well said got to agree with you there my husband works for Honda has not been off sick and never late and I agree it is a corrupt and a fix cybercat
  • Score: 12

5:39pm Thu 27 Mar 14

barlizard says...

house on the hill wrote:
So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.
They want to keep their best workers to supervise the agency workers who will be used as an alternative to full time direct staff, Flat hourly rate for all hours, no overtime rates, No Employers NI to pay, no redundancy to pay (easy to hire, easy to fire) no pension contributions to pay. This industry is going the same way as the construction industry, completely dominated by agency supplied labour!!
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.[/p][/quote]They want to keep their best workers to supervise the agency workers who will be used as an alternative to full time direct staff, Flat hourly rate for all hours, no overtime rates, No Employers NI to pay, no redundancy to pay (easy to hire, easy to fire) no pension contributions to pay. This industry is going the same way as the construction industry, completely dominated by agency supplied labour!! barlizard
  • Score: 9

5:58pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Sarah-jane12 says...

Dust wrote:
"If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway"

Not necessarily! There are plenty of people who would happily take voluntary redundancy even if they are regarded as the top workers. I know many people who've been disgruntled because they've been *forced* to stay on while lesser people get a nice fat payoff.
What I meant was, Honda would refuse them....no company has to agree to giving you the redundancy.
[quote][p][bold]Dust[/bold] wrote: "If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway" Not necessarily! There are plenty of people who would happily take voluntary redundancy even if they are regarded as the top workers. I know many people who've been disgruntled because they've been *forced* to stay on while lesser people get a nice fat payoff.[/p][/quote]What I meant was, Honda would refuse them....no company has to agree to giving you the redundancy. Sarah-jane12
  • Score: 4

6:21pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Wiltshire lad says...

The union needs to take a good look at if self, if it wasn't for them getting the temps a full contract after the last redundancies, we wouldn't be in this mess. The union are nothing but trouble at the moment, they haven't got a clue. What are they gona do when Honda say that's it we are pulling out, cause that is going to happen in the near future.
The union needs to take a good look at if self, if it wasn't for them getting the temps a full contract after the last redundancies, we wouldn't be in this mess. The union are nothing but trouble at the moment, they haven't got a clue. What are they gona do when Honda say that's it we are pulling out, cause that is going to happen in the near future. Wiltshire lad
  • Score: 0

6:34pm Thu 27 Mar 14

NewsReviewer says...

Can the so called representative group 'UNION' really manage to dig a bigger hole than they are already in? Firstly they ask for an 8% pay rise, which if agreed would probably have made global headlines. The news of such an achievement would probably have reached Mars, where I would suggest most of the UNION representatives and officer originate.
Without taking on board a sense of reality they then question the decision to only allow the lower performers to choose to leave the business on voluntary redundancy.
Mr D'Avilla then insults his core group of paying members by saying that anyone can do their job within 4 weeks. What next? Will he announce how daft they are to pay him £13 a month to represent them?
This is no different to any redundancy process - is this the first one Mr D has been involved in?
Well done Mr D and fellow representatives, you are serving your members well. I am sure they will congratulate you in due course, just as soon as you can dig yourself out - value shovel at B&Q £10, you will have change from one members subscription!
Can the so called representative group 'UNION' really manage to dig a bigger hole than they are already in? Firstly they ask for an 8% pay rise, which if agreed would probably have made global headlines. The news of such an achievement would probably have reached Mars, where I would suggest most of the UNION representatives and officer originate. Without taking on board a sense of reality they then question the decision to only allow the lower performers to choose to leave the business on voluntary redundancy. Mr D'Avilla then insults his core group of paying members by saying that anyone can do their job within 4 weeks. What next? Will he announce how daft they are to pay him £13 a month to represent them? This is no different to any redundancy process - is this the first one Mr D has been involved in? Well done Mr D and fellow representatives, you are serving your members well. I am sure they will congratulate you in due course, just as soon as you can dig yourself out - value shovel at B&Q £10, you will have change from one members subscription! NewsReviewer
  • Score: 14

6:48pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Motorway view says...

I understand why Honda would want to keep their best staff. I don't really agree with the unions opinion but I do think honda would be better opening the process to all. Ultimately not allowing higher performers to go for voluntary redundancy potentially creates a future situation where those remaining may not want to perform to their best. The reality is that the higher performers are most motivated to stay, some will leave but they were likely to go relatively soon anyway.
I understand why Honda would want to keep their best staff. I don't really agree with the unions opinion but I do think honda would be better opening the process to all. Ultimately not allowing higher performers to go for voluntary redundancy potentially creates a future situation where those remaining may not want to perform to their best. The reality is that the higher performers are most motivated to stay, some will leave but they were likely to go relatively soon anyway. Motorway view
  • Score: 5

7:34pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cybercat says...

Even Angrier Monkey wrote:
Only trade unions could be confused by the concept of a company wanting to keep its best workers over medicore ones.
that is the biggest load of rubbish ive heard try telling some of the Honda workers that they are medicore. try reading rub live post
[quote][p][bold]Even Angrier Monkey[/bold] wrote: Only trade unions could be confused by the concept of a company wanting to keep its best workers over medicore ones.[/p][/quote]that is the biggest load of rubbish ive heard try telling some of the Honda workers that they are medicore. try reading rub live post cybercat
  • Score: -3

7:37pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Davethered says...

I can't understand hoe Honda's allowed to fire 600 workers last year , then take on temps a few months later. They are doing exactly the same as BMW did in Swindon , get rid of permanents and replace with underpaid temps. I've worked at both of these companies for a total of 20 years , it was hard graft at both , and yes I do agree with what you said Johnny about the blue eyed boy's , glad I'm not working for either of them now. Neither company gives a toss about their workforce. Personally I think Honda will pull out of this country , but that's just my thoughts.
I can't understand hoe Honda's allowed to fire 600 workers last year , then take on temps a few months later. They are doing exactly the same as BMW did in Swindon , get rid of permanents and replace with underpaid temps. I've worked at both of these companies for a total of 20 years , it was hard graft at both , and yes I do agree with what you said Johnny about the blue eyed boy's , glad I'm not working for either of them now. Neither company gives a toss about their workforce. Personally I think Honda will pull out of this country , but that's just my thoughts. Davethered
  • Score: 0

7:43pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Hammer5 says...

Honda workers are now producing a poor product that has fallen behind the completion and is well over priced!!!
As for keeping the best staff well for such a so called multi skilled work force its quite worrying they can of find 200 to 300 out of 3000
The union should leave Honda because why support a workforce who have a history of having no backbone ......hence there rights are being further eroded away!!!
Honda workers are now producing a poor product that has fallen behind the completion and is well over priced!!! As for keeping the best staff well for such a so called multi skilled work force its quite worrying they can of find 200 to 300 out of 3000 The union should leave Honda because why support a workforce who have a history of having no backbone ......hence there rights are being further eroded away!!! Hammer5
  • Score: -3

7:44pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Thoughtfulness says...

Dust wrote:
"If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway"

Not necessarily! There are plenty of people who would happily take voluntary redundancy even if they are regarded as the top workers. I know many people who've been disgruntled because they've been *forced* to stay on while lesser people get a nice fat payoff.
Please tell us how they are "forced" to stay on - are they locked in at night?
[quote][p][bold]Dust[/bold] wrote: "If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway" Not necessarily! There are plenty of people who would happily take voluntary redundancy even if they are regarded as the top workers. I know many people who've been disgruntled because they've been *forced* to stay on while lesser people get a nice fat payoff.[/p][/quote]Please tell us how they are "forced" to stay on - are they locked in at night? Thoughtfulness
  • Score: 2

7:51pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Dust says...

Stop being such an argumentative cretin.
Stop being such an argumentative cretin. Dust
  • Score: -4

7:52pm Thu 27 Mar 14

sensible debate says...

Wiltshire lad wrote:
The union needs to take a good look at if self, if it wasn't for them getting the temps a full contract after the last redundancies, we wouldn't be in this mess. The union are nothing but trouble at the moment, they haven't got a clue. What are they gona do when Honda say that's it we are pulling out, cause that is going to happen in the near future.
The only people to blame for the mess Honda are in is Honda its self.They are the ones who continually overestimate how many cars they are gonna sell each year and they manage to make a right pigs ear of it then blame the fact they have thousands of cars unsold on the state of the European economy although it doesn,t seem to be effecting Jaguar ,Toyota or Nissan who are all producing record volumes.The reasons Honda are in a mess year after year has nothing to do with the workforce or the Union the reality is they produce cars that are not popular and overpriced and until they address that then they will go from crisis to crisis although the people at the top are still doing very nicely with directors getting massive bonuses while the workforce are offered a pittance.I am afraid Honda are the architects of there own downfall.
[quote][p][bold]Wiltshire lad[/bold] wrote: The union needs to take a good look at if self, if it wasn't for them getting the temps a full contract after the last redundancies, we wouldn't be in this mess. The union are nothing but trouble at the moment, they haven't got a clue. What are they gona do when Honda say that's it we are pulling out, cause that is going to happen in the near future.[/p][/quote]The only people to blame for the mess Honda are in is Honda its self.They are the ones who continually overestimate how many cars they are gonna sell each year and they manage to make a right pigs ear of it then blame the fact they have thousands of cars unsold on the state of the European economy although it doesn,t seem to be effecting Jaguar ,Toyota or Nissan who are all producing record volumes.The reasons Honda are in a mess year after year has nothing to do with the workforce or the Union the reality is they produce cars that are not popular and overpriced and until they address that then they will go from crisis to crisis although the people at the top are still doing very nicely with directors getting massive bonuses while the workforce are offered a pittance.I am afraid Honda are the architects of there own downfall. sensible debate
  • Score: 13

7:58pm Thu 27 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

barlizard wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.
They want to keep their best workers to supervise the agency workers who will be used as an alternative to full time direct staff, Flat hourly rate for all hours, no overtime rates, No Employers NI to pay, no redundancy to pay (easy to hire, easy to fire) no pension contributions to pay. This industry is going the same way as the construction industry, completely dominated by agency supplied labour!!
Welcome to the real world where everyone wants cheap goods but doesn't want to know how they keep prices low. You don't get low prices and high wages, someone has to pay for improved working conditions. Top selling tablet is the iPad made in China where workers are paid peanuts because there are plenty more where that came from but clearly no one cares the speed they fly off the shelves! Double standards much?
[quote][p][bold]barlizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: So a company wants to keep its best workers and apparently that is wrong. Seriously? So as a reward for working hard and going the extra mile we are not going to make you redundant, surely that is common business sense? If you were a boss would you not do the same? If you wouldn't then you are as stupid as the union idiots! What's next the harder you work the less you earn? Just shows how stupid the unions really are.[/p][/quote]They want to keep their best workers to supervise the agency workers who will be used as an alternative to full time direct staff, Flat hourly rate for all hours, no overtime rates, No Employers NI to pay, no redundancy to pay (easy to hire, easy to fire) no pension contributions to pay. This industry is going the same way as the construction industry, completely dominated by agency supplied labour!![/p][/quote]Welcome to the real world where everyone wants cheap goods but doesn't want to know how they keep prices low. You don't get low prices and high wages, someone has to pay for improved working conditions. Top selling tablet is the iPad made in China where workers are paid peanuts because there are plenty more where that came from but clearly no one cares the speed they fly off the shelves! Double standards much? house on the hill
  • Score: 6

8:24pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cybercat says...

Thoughtfulness wrote:
Dust wrote:
"If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway"

Not necessarily! There are plenty of people who would happily take voluntary redundancy even if they are regarded as the top workers. I know many people who've been disgruntled because they've been *forced* to stay on while lesser people get a nice fat payoff.
Please tell us how they are "forced" to stay on - are they locked in at night?
look at the end of the day we should be thinking about the Honda workers we all know that Honda don't give a toss about them. when they last went through a redundancy a lot of the workforce stood by Honda thinking that things would get better. But by whats now happened it didn't . Can you all think about what all the Honda staff are thinking at the moment and before anyone comes up with a wise comment it wont be how much money they will get.we can all moan about the union and what they are not doing but just think about the 340 GA,s that will be out of work
[quote][p][bold]Thoughtfulness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dust[/bold] wrote: "If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway" Not necessarily! There are plenty of people who would happily take voluntary redundancy even if they are regarded as the top workers. I know many people who've been disgruntled because they've been *forced* to stay on while lesser people get a nice fat payoff.[/p][/quote]Please tell us how they are "forced" to stay on - are they locked in at night?[/p][/quote]look at the end of the day we should be thinking about the Honda workers we all know that Honda don't give a toss about them. when they last went through a redundancy a lot of the workforce stood by Honda thinking that things would get better. But by whats now happened it didn't . Can you all think about what all the Honda staff are thinking at the moment and before anyone comes up with a wise comment it wont be how much money they will get.we can all moan about the union and what they are not doing but just think about the 340 GA,s that will be out of work cybercat
  • Score: 8

9:07pm Thu 27 Mar 14

billymcred says...

The union reps at Honda work for the unions but get paid by Honda of course they want to keep union members so they get to do nothing all day and get paid same as a hard working assembly associate what a joke
The union reps at Honda work for the unions but get paid by Honda of course they want to keep union members so they get to do nothing all day and get paid same as a hard working assembly associate what a joke billymcred
  • Score: 2

11:02pm Thu 27 Mar 14

somwal25 says...

while i have sympathy for the Honda workers losing there jobs no one here has mentioned all the other contract workers who also will be losing there jobs. And before the so called righteous get on there soap box and say that these people are non English i can assure they are not i personally no several people who work for Honda as contractors and are English.Also due to Honda view on trade unions they have no on to fight there corner so will quietly be forgotten as they join the dole queue after getting only the government basic redundancy money.
while i have sympathy for the Honda workers losing there jobs no one here has mentioned all the other contract workers who also will be losing there jobs. And before the so called righteous get on there soap box and say that these people are non English i can assure they are not i personally no several people who work for Honda as contractors and are English.Also due to Honda view on trade unions they have no on to fight there corner so will quietly be forgotten as they join the dole queue after getting only the government basic redundancy money. somwal25
  • Score: -1

6:41am Fri 28 Mar 14

We're all doomed says...

At least we now what all those highly paid "Engage Change" team were brought in for!
At least we now what all those highly paid "Engage Change" team were brought in for! We're all doomed
  • Score: 0

6:45am Fri 28 Mar 14

We're all doomed says...

We're all doomed wrote:
At least we now what all those highly paid "Engage Change" team were brought in for!
Sorry missed out the word know between now and what. Looks. Like I'll get an NI for that.
[quote][p][bold]We're all doomed[/bold] wrote: At least we now what all those highly paid "Engage Change" team were brought in for![/p][/quote]Sorry missed out the word know between now and what. Looks. Like I'll get an NI for that. We're all doomed
  • Score: 3

6:50am Fri 28 Mar 14

GalaxyMan says...

Headlines like that will definitely help! Way to go Adver!
Headlines like that will definitely help! Way to go Adver! GalaxyMan
  • Score: 0

7:33am Fri 28 Mar 14

AGINGER says...

Come on you brainy boys and girls,what is really"made" in this plant, it appears to me to be;- tinwork, cast aluminium heads and blocks all actually made and machined on site,the rest is just too complicated to be made by agency workers and would need in my estimation a huge manufacturing complex 10 times the area that this company occupies here.
The South Marston site makes the easy bits the rest being bought in from around the world,come on someone show my ignorance,or am I correct.
Come on you brainy boys and girls,what is really"made" in this plant, it appears to me to be;- tinwork, cast aluminium heads and blocks all actually made and machined on site,the rest is just too complicated to be made by agency workers and would need in my estimation a huge manufacturing complex 10 times the area that this company occupies here. The South Marston site makes the easy bits the rest being bought in from around the world,come on someone show my ignorance,or am I correct. AGINGER
  • Score: -6

9:13am Fri 28 Mar 14

Wildwestener says...

Firstly, I wish all Honda workers, whether permanent or agency, all the best at what must be a troubling time for them all. Same fro all those in subsidiary industries who will be affected.

re the actual issue of not considering best performers for redundancy, I'm afraid this is just standard practise, although usually they are allowed to apply, they just don't get it, based on some kind of points system.

Lots of people posting on here work at Honda and feel the appraisal system is not fair. This again is common amongst those who do not achieve highest marks, you see it in any kind of similar system in any industry.

None of that takes away from the fact that (a) Honda should really have just kept quiet and used a points system thus avoiding antagonising people and (b) people who have been highest marked in appraisals will feel discriminated against because they can't get VR if they want it - this will be seen as a kick in the gonads for their efforts.

As I said, horrible situation for all workers whose livelihoods are under threat, handled poorly by the company.

Oh and those having a pop at the union, what do you expect them to do, just lay back and say nothing?
Firstly, I wish all Honda workers, whether permanent or agency, all the best at what must be a troubling time for them all. Same fro all those in subsidiary industries who will be affected. re the actual issue of not considering best performers for redundancy, I'm afraid this is just standard practise, although usually they are allowed to apply, they just don't get it, based on some kind of points system. Lots of people posting on here work at Honda and feel the appraisal system is not fair. This again is common amongst those who do not achieve highest marks, you see it in any kind of similar system in any industry. None of that takes away from the fact that (a) Honda should really have just kept quiet and used a points system thus avoiding antagonising people and (b) people who have been highest marked in appraisals will feel discriminated against because they can't get VR if they want it - this will be seen as a kick in the gonads for their efforts. As I said, horrible situation for all workers whose livelihoods are under threat, handled poorly by the company. Oh and those having a pop at the union, what do you expect them to do, just lay back and say nothing? Wildwestener
  • Score: 4

6:29pm Fri 28 Mar 14

faatmaan says...

as I see it, there is still massive over capacity in the car market, it is inevitable that certain parts of the world will emerge from or go into recession at different times, the key to this is managing your fixed costs and siting production in places where multiple markets can be served, alas Hondas recent offerings do not seem to have made inroads into existing markets, this may be just don to people still being careful with their money and opting for less expensive brands, so it is always sad to see people losing jobs permanent or temporary.
I know of no company that sacrifices its best workers, appraisals can be fixed well in advance, so a lead time may have already seen active decisions being made about selecting possible employees for dismissal over a long period of time, it is a no win scenario for most ordinary workers, I wish all present and soon to be made jobless the best of luck, obtain a good CV now, so that if you are unlucky to be let go, you can be active in a job search before you are all in competition with each other for less than desirable alternative employment.
as I see it, there is still massive over capacity in the car market, it is inevitable that certain parts of the world will emerge from or go into recession at different times, the key to this is managing your fixed costs and siting production in places where multiple markets can be served, alas Hondas recent offerings do not seem to have made inroads into existing markets, this may be just don to people still being careful with their money and opting for less expensive brands, so it is always sad to see people losing jobs permanent or temporary. I know of no company that sacrifices its best workers, appraisals can be fixed well in advance, so a lead time may have already seen active decisions being made about selecting possible employees for dismissal over a long period of time, it is a no win scenario for most ordinary workers, I wish all present and soon to be made jobless the best of luck, obtain a good CV now, so that if you are unlucky to be let go, you can be active in a job search before you are all in competition with each other for less than desirable alternative employment. faatmaan
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

luke0987 says...

I work for Honda and i can see why they wanna moth ball one of its plants we are building 600 cars roughly a day and plant 1 can do that with is so why waste thousands of pounds by keeping two plants open which is not currently needed in the current economic climate honda is currently investing millions of pounds to update the like in plant 1 so why would they pull out im sure honda wouldnt spend that investment then pull out in 10 years.
I work for Honda and i can see why they wanna moth ball one of its plants we are building 600 cars roughly a day and plant 1 can do that with is so why waste thousands of pounds by keeping two plants open which is not currently needed in the current economic climate honda is currently investing millions of pounds to update the like in plant 1 so why would they pull out im sure honda wouldnt spend that investment then pull out in 10 years. luke0987
  • Score: 5

7:20pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Hammer5 says...

God I am bored of hearing about Honda workers the fact is there cars rattle due to poor workmanship and faulty clutches are fitted to vehicles but you wont discover this problem until sometimes 25000 miles and the dealer will say your not covered!!!!
you can produce this and cost the customer best part of £1000 but where Honda are now getting stung is a lot of Customers like myself are not returning to buy future models because WE DONT TRUST YOU!!!!
God I am bored of hearing about Honda workers the fact is there cars rattle due to poor workmanship and faulty clutches are fitted to vehicles but you wont discover this problem until sometimes 25000 miles and the dealer will say your not covered!!!! you can produce this and cost the customer best part of £1000 but where Honda are now getting stung is a lot of Customers like myself are not returning to buy future models because WE DONT TRUST YOU!!!! Hammer5
  • Score: -5

7:23pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Hammer5 says...

billymcred wrote:
The union reps at Honda work for the unions but get paid by Honda of course they want to keep union members so they get to do nothing all day and get paid same as a hard working assembly associate what a joke
Hard working assembly worker with low skills that's why Honda cars are full of rattles around the window screen!!!!
Folks don't buy one and close this awful plant down!!!
[quote][p][bold]billymcred[/bold] wrote: The union reps at Honda work for the unions but get paid by Honda of course they want to keep union members so they get to do nothing all day and get paid same as a hard working assembly associate what a joke[/p][/quote]Hard working assembly worker with low skills that's why Honda cars are full of rattles around the window screen!!!! Folks don't buy one and close this awful plant down!!! Hammer5
  • Score: -5

7:26pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Hammer5 says...

Sarah-jane12 wrote:
If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway. Think about it, why keep on someone who goes sick a lot, and has a poor performance record over someone with a very good record? Sorry, but those who have not performed well should have worked harder! I thought it was done on a scoring system last time anyway.
if your manager likes you your appraisal is good if you speak out and mention we fit faulty clutches to our cars they want you out !!!!
Appraisals were introduced to further erode many workers rights and find a loop hole to get rid of staff!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Sarah-jane12[/bold] wrote: If Honda allowed those who have had good appraisals and good attendance and performance etc to be offered the redundancy package, they would just refuse them anyway. Think about it, why keep on someone who goes sick a lot, and has a poor performance record over someone with a very good record? Sorry, but those who have not performed well should have worked harder! I thought it was done on a scoring system last time anyway.[/p][/quote]if your manager likes you your appraisal is good if you speak out and mention we fit faulty clutches to our cars they want you out !!!! Appraisals were introduced to further erode many workers rights and find a loop hole to get rid of staff!!!! Hammer5
  • Score: -5

7:27pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Hammer5 says...

Stovepipe wrote:
When Honda leave town, the roads in Swindon will be a lot safer, a lot of the employees drive way to fast, won't miss them.
They drive fast so they cant hear all the rattles
I call My Honda the Honda Montego its that bad
[quote][p][bold]Stovepipe[/bold] wrote: When Honda leave town, the roads in Swindon will be a lot safer, a lot of the employees drive way to fast, won't miss them.[/p][/quote]They drive fast so they cant hear all the rattles I call My Honda the Honda Montego its that bad Hammer5
  • Score: -2

7:33pm Fri 28 Mar 14

luke0987 says...

you lot don't have a clue what your talking about
you lot don't have a clue what your talking about luke0987
  • Score: 3

8:03pm Fri 28 Mar 14

ctrctr says...

This is just a temporary bilp in Honda of the UK Manufacturing. Next year they will be producing the best Type R ever. I will be first in the queue for one . So thank you Honda for keeping you best staff to build it , Good luck to all the blue eye boys left.
This is just a temporary bilp in Honda of the UK Manufacturing. Next year they will be producing the best Type R ever. I will be first in the queue for one . So thank you Honda for keeping you best staff to build it , Good luck to all the blue eye boys left. ctrctr
  • Score: 8

12:31am Sat 29 Mar 14

topsecret says...

Right . Lets try to put this to bed . I remember being told Honda would lose 3000 jobs and actually put this on the site/townend site 5 years ago so i know whats happening.

As we all know Honda is building cars way out of date and very overpriced and did not fit the European market . They( the Japanese ) where warned about this years ago by various people who i will call GM . No one listened that's why various directors and other well paid staff who knew better left for pastures new.

Now we are left with useless management and co-ordinators and even worse team leaders who are a total waste of space. But guess what ?. None of then are going to lose their jobs. I have never known a worse team leader in my life and yet he can walk around knowing he is safe dictating to me how to do my job even though i can do it better than him and he is useless at everything. Im guessing a lot of Honda workers feel the same .
Right . Lets try to put this to bed . I remember being told Honda would lose 3000 jobs and actually put this on the site/townend site 5 years ago so i know whats happening. As we all know Honda is building cars way out of date and very overpriced and did not fit the European market . They( the Japanese ) where warned about this years ago by various people who i will call GM . No one listened that's why various directors and other well paid staff who knew better left for pastures new. Now we are left with useless management and co-ordinators and even worse team leaders who are a total waste of space. But guess what ?. None of then are going to lose their jobs. I have never known a worse team leader in my life and yet he can walk around knowing he is safe dictating to me how to do my job even though i can do it better than him and he is useless at everything. Im guessing a lot of Honda workers feel the same . topsecret
  • Score: 0

1:12am Sat 29 Mar 14

topsecret says...

As we all know Honda protects the office staff and various others who continue to work through every redundancy including useless staff who i will call MW who have been caught out many times not doing their job properly including playing games consoles on their job.
These same people (who should of been sacked long ago ) were laid off last time but then given their jobs back for less money( i'm guessing) to now tell the work staff we do not work hard enough . FooK OFF
As we all know Honda protects the office staff and various others who continue to work through every redundancy including useless staff who i will call MW who have been caught out many times not doing their job properly including playing games consoles on their job. These same people (who should of been sacked long ago ) were laid off last time but then given their jobs back for less money( i'm guessing) to now tell the work staff we do not work hard enough . FooK OFF topsecret
  • Score: 0

4:07pm Sat 29 Mar 14

asimo says...

NewsReviewer wrote:
Can the so called representative group 'UNION' really manage to dig a bigger hole than they are already in? Firstly they ask for an 8% pay rise, which if agreed would probably have made global headlines. The news of such an achievement would probably have reached Mars, where I would suggest most of the UNION representatives and officer originate.
Without taking on board a sense of reality they then question the decision to only allow the lower performers to choose to leave the business on voluntary redundancy.
Mr D'Avilla then insults his core group of paying members by saying that anyone can do their job within 4 weeks. What next? Will he announce how daft they are to pay him £13 a month to represent them?
This is no different to any redundancy process - is this the first one Mr D has been involved in?
Well done Mr D and fellow representatives, you are serving your members well. I am sure they will congratulate you in due course, just as soon as you can dig yourself out - value shovel at B&Q £10, you will have change from one members subscription!
So called representative group 'UNION' ? Lets think about this. Elected by the Workforce = Yes. Elected by non members too = Yes. Have the union and it's members bent over backwards since 2009 = Yes. Did the union or its representatives cause the the problem the company now face in Europe = NO
Are the union and their elected representatives duty bound to identify and save jobs and skills = Yes. Can the workers who face an unfair redundancy process not undertake 90% of the office jobs at a cheaper rate than those who sit down on fat arse jobs and feel they're only ones contributing when the fact is this area is the highest burden for costs for the employer? = Yes. Would 90% of the office staff (who came from the production lines due to restrictions) etc work the shifts and as hard as the direct workers if they were pooled for redundancy = No. Conclusion = OFFER THEM REDUNDANCY and save hundreds of jobs by backfilling. It is said by some in the supply chain this is part of the company labour reduction plans. . line 2 in 18 months will be geared up for agency workers only working shifts @ 1/2 the pay, No O/time, pension, lease car etc etc etc. As for £10 B&Q and spades the company has already bought them all up for the remaining workers not included at the moment numpties to thick to see exactly what is going on here. Don't worry the company will hand them out for free !
Who is insulting who here ?
5 waves of redundancies in as many years dealt with by the union representatives over 2,500 workers leaving voluntarily and only 50 compulsory due the way the union representatives responded to a crisis made by greedy over ambitious, incompetent company management. Honda don't deserve the workforce they have and in the future the company restructuring crew costing 100's of thousands of pounds will be coming after the ones who are lucky to survive this cull. Suitable alternative employment for all office staff will be offered. Like it or leave the company without enough for your bus fare home. Who'll need a union then ? NewsReviewer do your research before judging.
[quote][p][bold]NewsReviewer[/bold] wrote: Can the so called representative group 'UNION' really manage to dig a bigger hole than they are already in? Firstly they ask for an 8% pay rise, which if agreed would probably have made global headlines. The news of such an achievement would probably have reached Mars, where I would suggest most of the UNION representatives and officer originate. Without taking on board a sense of reality they then question the decision to only allow the lower performers to choose to leave the business on voluntary redundancy. Mr D'Avilla then insults his core group of paying members by saying that anyone can do their job within 4 weeks. What next? Will he announce how daft they are to pay him £13 a month to represent them? This is no different to any redundancy process - is this the first one Mr D has been involved in? Well done Mr D and fellow representatives, you are serving your members well. I am sure they will congratulate you in due course, just as soon as you can dig yourself out - value shovel at B&Q £10, you will have change from one members subscription![/p][/quote]So called representative group 'UNION' ? Lets think about this. Elected by the Workforce = Yes. Elected by non members too = Yes. Have the union and it's members bent over backwards since 2009 = Yes. Did the union or its representatives cause the the problem the company now face in Europe = NO Are the union and their elected representatives duty bound to identify and save jobs and skills = Yes. Can the workers who face an unfair redundancy process not undertake 90% of the office jobs at a cheaper rate than those who sit down on fat arse jobs and feel they're only ones contributing when the fact is this area is the highest burden for costs for the employer? = Yes. Would 90% of the office staff (who came from the production lines due to restrictions) etc work the shifts and as hard as the direct workers if they were pooled for redundancy = No. Conclusion = OFFER THEM REDUNDANCY and save hundreds of jobs by backfilling. It is said by some in the supply chain this is part of the company labour reduction plans. . line 2 in 18 months will be geared up for agency workers only working shifts @ 1/2 the pay, No O/time, pension, lease car etc etc etc. As for £10 B&Q and spades the company has already bought them all up for the remaining workers not included at the moment numpties to thick to see exactly what is going on here. Don't worry the company will hand them out for free ! Who is insulting who here ? 5 waves of redundancies in as many years dealt with by the union representatives over 2,500 workers leaving voluntarily and only 50 compulsory due the way the union representatives responded to a crisis made by greedy over ambitious, incompetent company management. Honda don't deserve the workforce they have and in the future the company restructuring crew costing 100's of thousands of pounds will be coming after the ones who are lucky to survive this cull. Suitable alternative employment for all office staff will be offered. Like it or leave the company without enough for your bus fare home. Who'll need a union then ? NewsReviewer do your research before judging. asimo
  • Score: -4

9:17am Sun 30 Mar 14

billymcred says...

asimo wrote:
NewsReviewer wrote:
Can the so called representative group 'UNION' really manage to dig a bigger hole than they are already in? Firstly they ask for an 8% pay rise, which if agreed would probably have made global headlines. The news of such an achievement would probably have reached Mars, where I would suggest most of the UNION representatives and officer originate.
Without taking on board a sense of reality they then question the decision to only allow the lower performers to choose to leave the business on voluntary redundancy.
Mr D'Avilla then insults his core group of paying members by saying that anyone can do their job within 4 weeks. What next? Will he announce how daft they are to pay him £13 a month to represent them?
This is no different to any redundancy process - is this the first one Mr D has been involved in?
Well done Mr D and fellow representatives, you are serving your members well. I am sure they will congratulate you in due course, just as soon as you can dig yourself out - value shovel at B&Q £10, you will have change from one members subscription!
So called representative group 'UNION' ? Lets think about this. Elected by the Workforce = Yes. Elected by non members too = Yes. Have the union and it's members bent over backwards since 2009 = Yes. Did the union or its representatives cause the the problem the company now face in Europe = NO
Are the union and their elected representatives duty bound to identify and save jobs and skills = Yes. Can the workers who face an unfair redundancy process not undertake 90% of the office jobs at a cheaper rate than those who sit down on fat arse jobs and feel they're only ones contributing when the fact is this area is the highest burden for costs for the employer? = Yes. Would 90% of the office staff (who came from the production lines due to restrictions) etc work the shifts and as hard as the direct workers if they were pooled for redundancy = No. Conclusion = OFFER THEM REDUNDANCY and save hundreds of jobs by backfilling. It is said by some in the supply chain this is part of the company labour reduction plans. . line 2 in 18 months will be geared up for agency workers only working shifts @ 1/2 the pay, No O/time, pension, lease car etc etc etc. As for £10 B&Q and spades the company has already bought them all up for the remaining workers not included at the moment numpties to thick to see exactly what is going on here. Don't worry the company will hand them out for free !
Who is insulting who here ?
5 waves of redundancies in as many years dealt with by the union representatives over 2,500 workers leaving voluntarily and only 50 compulsory due the way the union representatives responded to a crisis made by greedy over ambitious, incompetent company management. Honda don't deserve the workforce they have and in the future the company restructuring crew costing 100's of thousands of pounds will be coming after the ones who are lucky to survive this cull. Suitable alternative employment for all office staff will be offered. Like it or leave the company without enough for your bus fare home. Who'll need a union then ? NewsReviewer do your research before judging.
Not quite true :- the non union members did not elect the union, when elected the union only needed 50% or more of those associates who voted, that was not made clear at the time the union only got in with around 20% of the work force voting for them. The union do a good job hahaha what a joke, a few years ago the pay rise offer was 3% the union rejected this as they have the bargaining rights for a large % of the work force ( even if not a union member ) and associates ended up with a worse pay rise in the end way to go unite!!!
The unite union are only interested in lining there own pockets £13 a month 5 waves of redundancies in 5 years unite should be working to save honda jobs not asking for 8% pay rise this year does that not show how out of touch the unite union actually is. Unite out unite out no redundancies at Honda before unite union got there grubby hands in the pie unite out unite out
[quote][p][bold]asimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewsReviewer[/bold] wrote: Can the so called representative group 'UNION' really manage to dig a bigger hole than they are already in? Firstly they ask for an 8% pay rise, which if agreed would probably have made global headlines. The news of such an achievement would probably have reached Mars, where I would suggest most of the UNION representatives and officer originate. Without taking on board a sense of reality they then question the decision to only allow the lower performers to choose to leave the business on voluntary redundancy. Mr D'Avilla then insults his core group of paying members by saying that anyone can do their job within 4 weeks. What next? Will he announce how daft they are to pay him £13 a month to represent them? This is no different to any redundancy process - is this the first one Mr D has been involved in? Well done Mr D and fellow representatives, you are serving your members well. I am sure they will congratulate you in due course, just as soon as you can dig yourself out - value shovel at B&Q £10, you will have change from one members subscription![/p][/quote]So called representative group 'UNION' ? Lets think about this. Elected by the Workforce = Yes. Elected by non members too = Yes. Have the union and it's members bent over backwards since 2009 = Yes. Did the union or its representatives cause the the problem the company now face in Europe = NO Are the union and their elected representatives duty bound to identify and save jobs and skills = Yes. Can the workers who face an unfair redundancy process not undertake 90% of the office jobs at a cheaper rate than those who sit down on fat arse jobs and feel they're only ones contributing when the fact is this area is the highest burden for costs for the employer? = Yes. Would 90% of the office staff (who came from the production lines due to restrictions) etc work the shifts and as hard as the direct workers if they were pooled for redundancy = No. Conclusion = OFFER THEM REDUNDANCY and save hundreds of jobs by backfilling. It is said by some in the supply chain this is part of the company labour reduction plans. . line 2 in 18 months will be geared up for agency workers only working shifts @ 1/2 the pay, No O/time, pension, lease car etc etc etc. As for £10 B&Q and spades the company has already bought them all up for the remaining workers not included at the moment numpties to thick to see exactly what is going on here. Don't worry the company will hand them out for free ! Who is insulting who here ? 5 waves of redundancies in as many years dealt with by the union representatives over 2,500 workers leaving voluntarily and only 50 compulsory due the way the union representatives responded to a crisis made by greedy over ambitious, incompetent company management. Honda don't deserve the workforce they have and in the future the company restructuring crew costing 100's of thousands of pounds will be coming after the ones who are lucky to survive this cull. Suitable alternative employment for all office staff will be offered. Like it or leave the company without enough for your bus fare home. Who'll need a union then ? NewsReviewer do your research before judging.[/p][/quote]Not quite true :- the non union members did not elect the union, when elected the union only needed 50% or more of those associates who voted, that was not made clear at the time the union only got in with around 20% of the work force voting for them. The union do a good job hahaha what a joke, a few years ago the pay rise offer was 3% the union rejected this as they have the bargaining rights for a large % of the work force ( even if not a union member ) and associates ended up with a worse pay rise in the end way to go unite!!! The unite union are only interested in lining there own pockets £13 a month 5 waves of redundancies in 5 years unite should be working to save honda jobs not asking for 8% pay rise this year does that not show how out of touch the unite union actually is. Unite out unite out no redundancies at Honda before unite union got there grubby hands in the pie unite out unite out billymcred
  • Score: 1

10:25am Sun 30 Mar 14

asimo says...

I've read some *ollocks on this site but you take the trophy for your reply. Well done. . .Quite simply - Workers voted the union in and further to that also defeated a few excitable idiots who tried to get the union kicked out. The architects of this are no longer in the company .The union also delivered a 3.0% pay rise in the period you note. . . . fool. My mum works there so I think she knows what she is talking about . As for the 8% pay rise - this figure was what my mum lost from her pay packet in real terms for 4 years.I suppose it is ok for others to get over 29% pay increases when the company are clearly struggling. Nothing wong with that newsreviewer is there ? Stop posting *ollcks. Off now to get mother a mother's day card now.
I've read some *ollocks on this site but you take the trophy for your reply. Well done. . .Quite simply - Workers voted the union in and further to that also defeated a few excitable idiots who tried to get the union kicked out. The architects of this are no longer in the company .The union also delivered a 3.0% pay rise in the period you note. . . . fool. My mum works there so I think she knows what she is talking about . As for the 8% pay rise - this figure was what my mum lost from her pay packet in real terms for 4 years.I suppose it is ok for others to get over 29% pay increases when the company are clearly struggling. Nothing wong with that newsreviewer is there ? Stop posting *ollcks. Off now to get mother a mother's day card now. asimo
  • Score: -1

11:47pm Sun 30 Mar 14

tuki1234 says...

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  • Score: 0

2:59pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Hammer5 says...

luke0987 wrote:
you lot don't have a clue what your talking about
I drive one mate unlike you who probably cant afford one lol
[quote][p][bold]luke0987[/bold] wrote: you lot don't have a clue what your talking about[/p][/quote]I drive one mate unlike you who probably cant afford one lol Hammer5
  • Score: 0

3:01pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Hammer5 says...

luke0987 wrote:
you lot don't have a clue what your talking about
luke0987 you do as you work for them and if you lose your job will be unemployed the rest of your life lol
[quote][p][bold]luke0987[/bold] wrote: you lot don't have a clue what your talking about[/p][/quote]luke0987 you do as you work for them and if you lose your job will be unemployed the rest of your life lol Hammer5
  • Score: 0

3:03pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Hammer5 says...

ctrctr wrote:
This is just a temporary bilp in Honda of the UK Manufacturing. Next year they will be producing the best Type R ever. I will be first in the queue for one . So thank you Honda for keeping you best staff to build it , Good luck to all the blue eye boys left.
That says it all really
Honda will start building quality cars from wait foer it NEXT YEAR lol
[quote][p][bold]ctrctr[/bold] wrote: This is just a temporary bilp in Honda of the UK Manufacturing. Next year they will be producing the best Type R ever. I will be first in the queue for one . So thank you Honda for keeping you best staff to build it , Good luck to all the blue eye boys left.[/p][/quote]That says it all really Honda will start building quality cars from wait foer it NEXT YEAR lol Hammer5
  • Score: 0

7:06am Tue 1 Apr 14

We're all doomed says...

ctrctr wrote:
This is just a temporary bilp in Honda of the UK Manufacturing. Next year they will be producing the best Type R ever. I will be first in the queue for one . So thank you Honda for keeping you best staff to build it , Good luck to all the blue eye boys left.
Are you really going to buy a £40,000 civic?
[quote][p][bold]ctrctr[/bold] wrote: This is just a temporary bilp in Honda of the UK Manufacturing. Next year they will be producing the best Type R ever. I will be first in the queue for one . So thank you Honda for keeping you best staff to build it , Good luck to all the blue eye boys left.[/p][/quote]Are you really going to buy a £40,000 civic? We're all doomed
  • Score: 1

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