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New rotas for waste

SWINDON Council’s new optional, paid-for green waste collection service starts today, and subscription levels have continued to rise.

So far more than 6,500 households have signed up for the annual service, which costs £40 for a fortnightly collection (except two weeks at Christmas), and includes a wheelie bin or supply of bags for properties the council considers unsuitable for a bin.

The last collection round under the current four-bag limit service finishes on Friday and households were reminded of the changes in their annual council tax bills.

Residents are asked not to put out bags of unregistered green waste after their final collection date as they will no longer be picked up.

Alternatively, composting at home is an option and the council has teamed up with SEQOL Enterprise Works, which provides employment opportunities for people with disabilities, to offer heavily discounted compost bins for sale.

To buy a bin, or for more information, call 01793 464646 or go online at www.seqol.org/enterprise-works.

Households that choose not to sign up for new service can also take their green waste to the Household Waste Recycling Centre, in Cheney Manor Industrial Estate, where it goes on to be composted. The extended summer opening hours until 8pm daily now apply.

Coun Richard Hurley, Cabinet Member for Public Protection, Housing and StreetSmart, said: “It is encouraging that over 6,500 households have now registered to receive the new, improved service and we anticipate subscriptions levels will continue to rise over the spring and summer months.

“I would like to thank residents in advance for their co-operation with these changes.”

The changes were introduced following a public consultation last year. Originally, the council proposed to charge £35 for a bin and £35 for a year. But following feedback from residents that £70 in the first year was unacceptable, the £40 annual charge plus bin was introduced.

For more information visit www. swindon.gov.uk.

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9:28am Mon 31 Mar 14

nobody says...

Only 6.500 homes signed up for it, obviously a well costed and thought out change.
Only 6.500 homes signed up for it, obviously a well costed and thought out change. nobody
  • Score: 12

9:40am Mon 31 Mar 14

Wildwestener says...

What a load of hogwash. It's like being mugged but told it's ok because only half our money is nicked. This has never been a free service to those of us who actually pay our Council Tax. It's now just an additional payment. SBC, word of advice - stop treating us like morons - services we pay Council tax for are not free, stop saying it as if it is. People might be a **** sight more sympathetic if you stopped coming out with all this BS.

Oh and 6,500 households have signed p. Not sure how many households there are in Swindon, but I'd be surprised if that is more than 10% - 15% of them all. Hardly a roaring success is it.
What a load of hogwash. It's like being mugged but told it's ok because only half our money is nicked. This has never been a free service to those of us who actually pay our Council Tax. It's now just an additional payment. SBC, word of advice - stop treating us like morons - services we pay Council tax for are not free, stop saying it as if it is. People might be a **** sight more sympathetic if you stopped coming out with all this BS. Oh and 6,500 households have signed p. Not sure how many households there are in Swindon, but I'd be surprised if that is more than 10% - 15% of them all. Hardly a roaring success is it. Wildwestener
  • Score: 15

10:20am Mon 31 Mar 14

Morsey says...

We have paid for two green bins, one for each of our homes and the reason why ... because it is the first time the Swindon Coalition Council has admitted it needed to raise Council Tax to pay for services. Incidentally, we pay over two grand a year in Council Taxes as it is!

The consequences of queues at the tip, the bonfires, green waste in black wheelies crawling with ants, fly-tipping and huge, smelling, so called compost heaps in gardens will show that it is worth the forty quid, until Labour revert to normality, sosay!
We have paid for two green bins, one for each of our homes and the reason why ... because it is the first time the Swindon Coalition Council has admitted it needed to raise Council Tax to pay for services. Incidentally, we pay over two grand a year in Council Taxes as it is! The consequences of queues at the tip, the bonfires, green waste in black wheelies crawling with ants, fly-tipping and huge, smelling, so called compost heaps in gardens will show that it is worth the forty quid, until Labour revert to normality, sosay! Morsey
  • Score: -13

10:28am Mon 31 Mar 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Morsey wrote:
We have paid for two green bins, one for each of our homes and the reason why ... because it is the first time the Swindon Coalition Council has admitted it needed to raise Council Tax to pay for services. Incidentally, we pay over two grand a year in Council Taxes as it is!

The consequences of queues at the tip, the bonfires, green waste in black wheelies crawling with ants, fly-tipping and huge, smelling, so called compost heaps in gardens will show that it is worth the forty quid, until Labour revert to normality, sosay!
Two houses? Why on earth would you need two houses. That's not very "Labour" is it?
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: We have paid for two green bins, one for each of our homes and the reason why ... because it is the first time the Swindon Coalition Council has admitted it needed to raise Council Tax to pay for services. Incidentally, we pay over two grand a year in Council Taxes as it is! The consequences of queues at the tip, the bonfires, green waste in black wheelies crawling with ants, fly-tipping and huge, smelling, so called compost heaps in gardens will show that it is worth the forty quid, until Labour revert to normality, sosay![/p][/quote]Two houses? Why on earth would you need two houses. That's not very "Labour" is it? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 13

10:46am Mon 31 Mar 14

Davey Gravey says...

A measure brought in despite the public being against it. Remember that in May at election time. My grass cuttings etc now go in my black bin.
A measure brought in despite the public being against it. Remember that in May at election time. My grass cuttings etc now go in my black bin. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 9

12:31pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Jayne35 says...

I don't think I will bother signing up, they did not even collect the recycling in our street last time, so just after changing to fortnightly they left it. Hope they show up this week! Four weeks is ridiculous.
I don't think I will bother signing up, they did not even collect the recycling in our street last time, so just after changing to fortnightly they left it. Hope they show up this week! Four weeks is ridiculous. Jayne35
  • Score: 4

12:47pm Mon 31 Mar 14

faatmaan says...

what happens when certain residents dump their green waste outside others property ? ( whilst people are asleep etc), and my problem, I have a house with no plants/lawn front/rear, yet the council trees leaves blow into my property in late autumn, do I have to purchase the bags to clear their waste products ?
what happens when certain residents dump their green waste outside others property ? ( whilst people are asleep etc), and my problem, I have a house with no plants/lawn front/rear, yet the council trees leaves blow into my property in late autumn, do I have to purchase the bags to clear their waste products ? faatmaan
  • Score: 8

12:52pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

I'm in full support of it.
It's not as if it's a huge sum of money.
If it helps the environment AND improves efficiency then it's value for money
I'm in full support of it. It's not as if it's a huge sum of money. If it helps the environment AND improves efficiency then it's value for money Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -18

1:18pm Mon 31 Mar 14

house on the hill says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
I'm in full support of it.
It's not as if it's a huge sum of money.
If it helps the environment AND improves efficiency then it's value for money
Not if it is something you already pay for! Its called being taken for a mug!
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: I'm in full support of it. It's not as if it's a huge sum of money. If it helps the environment AND improves efficiency then it's value for money[/p][/quote]Not if it is something you already pay for! Its called being taken for a mug! house on the hill
  • Score: 14

1:29pm Mon 31 Mar 14

back_to_reality says...

I'm not in support of it, and neither were the majority of people who responded to the 'consultation'. That didn't matter to 70s Throwback Richard Hurley, who went ahead with the additional charge anyway, despite the fact that we already pay for this. It's one of the few services I receive for my hefty monthly bill.

Green waste comes under the umbrella 'Household waste', and the council is legally obliged to collect and dispose of it (Environmental Protection Act 1990). They can seperate and recycle household waste if they wish, and can encourage residents to do so. I'm happy to take part where available. However, as I'm not willing to pay twice for this privilage, my green waste will regretably be included with the rest of my household waste.
I'm not in support of it, and neither were the majority of people who responded to the 'consultation'. That didn't matter to 70s Throwback Richard Hurley, who went ahead with the additional charge anyway, despite the fact that we already pay for this. It's one of the few services I receive for my hefty monthly bill. Green waste comes under the umbrella 'Household waste', and the council is legally obliged to collect and dispose of it (Environmental Protection Act 1990). They can seperate and recycle household waste if they wish, and can encourage residents to do so. I'm happy to take part where available. However, as I'm not willing to pay twice for this privilage, my green waste will regretably be included with the rest of my household waste. back_to_reality
  • Score: 15

1:39pm Mon 31 Mar 14

fuzzey says...

This is already paid for in the council tax .They said there would no increase ??also in the rateable value of a property i e tax band surely such things as gardens are taken into account ??.won't these green bins become a smelly mess inside . not allowed to bag it .grass cuttings fermenting for 2 weeks inside them will not be pleasant and could be full of ants ?
This is already paid for in the council tax .They said there would no increase ??also in the rateable value of a property i e tax band surely such things as gardens are taken into account ??.won't these green bins become a smelly mess inside . not allowed to bag it .grass cuttings fermenting for 2 weeks inside them will not be pleasant and could be full of ants ? fuzzey
  • Score: 10

2:23pm Mon 31 Mar 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up.

Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it.

I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.
The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up. Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it. I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 7

2:48pm Mon 31 Mar 14

sadgit says...

Not sure the black bins will be emptied if they contain garden waste.
Mine was only half emptied when I had put a few leaves in the black bin after the "operators" had obviously sifted through and found the contraband.
Best of luck everyone.
Not sure the black bins will be emptied if they contain garden waste. Mine was only half emptied when I had put a few leaves in the black bin after the "operators" had obviously sifted through and found the contraband. Best of luck everyone. sadgit
  • Score: 4

3:47pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Davidsyrett says...

sadgit wrote:
Not sure the black bins will be emptied if they contain garden waste.
Mine was only half emptied when I had put a few leaves in the black bin after the "operators" had obviously sifted through and found the contraband.
Best of luck everyone.
Put the garden waste in black bags!
[quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: Not sure the black bins will be emptied if they contain garden waste. Mine was only half emptied when I had put a few leaves in the black bin after the "operators" had obviously sifted through and found the contraband. Best of luck everyone.[/p][/quote]Put the garden waste in black bags! Davidsyrett
  • Score: 3

4:44pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Trend says...

You should see what we put in our bins, never had a problem with them being emptied. I can't see how some grass cuttings in green or black bags will make any difference.

I've see 1 green bin delivered in our street.
You should see what we put in our bins, never had a problem with them being emptied. I can't see how some grass cuttings in green or black bags will make any difference. I've see 1 green bin delivered in our street. Trend
  • Score: 4

5:35pm Mon 31 Mar 14

icelolly says...

faatmaan wrote:
what happens when certain residents dump their green waste outside others property ? ( whilst people are asleep etc), and my problem, I have a house with no plants/lawn front/rear, yet the council trees leaves blow into my property in late autumn, do I have to purchase the bags to clear their waste products ?
I have the same problem in Autumn with leaves blowing onto my property from a tree on the street.Will be dumping the leaves in the black bin from now on. Having moved from to Swindon recently from an area where there are green wheelie bins and green waste was collected at no extra charge dismayed at SBC for introducing this charge. Will not be signing up.
[quote][p][bold]faatmaan[/bold] wrote: what happens when certain residents dump their green waste outside others property ? ( whilst people are asleep etc), and my problem, I have a house with no plants/lawn front/rear, yet the council trees leaves blow into my property in late autumn, do I have to purchase the bags to clear their waste products ?[/p][/quote]I have the same problem in Autumn with leaves blowing onto my property from a tree on the street.Will be dumping the leaves in the black bin from now on. Having moved from to Swindon recently from an area where there are green wheelie bins and green waste was collected at no extra charge dismayed at SBC for introducing this charge. Will not be signing up. icelolly
  • Score: 3

5:53pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Clippies says...

Swindon council expected 18,000 (20%) households to sign up to the scheme. At the moment the minimum cost to the council for this scheme is £1,247,000 (figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley), yet with only 6500 households signing up to the new scheme this will bring in just £260,000. Considering the old (unpaid for) scheme cost £685,000 per year to run, the new scheme is costing over £300,000 MORE!!! yet they claim we're going to save over £1,000,000 by bringing in the new paid for scheme. Not quite sure how they arrive at these figures, but it seems my 2 year old is better at maths than they are!
Swindon council expected 18,000 (20%) households to sign up to the scheme. At the moment the minimum cost to the council for this scheme is £1,247,000 (figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley), yet with only 6500 households signing up to the new scheme this will bring in just £260,000. Considering the old (unpaid for) scheme cost £685,000 per year to run, the new scheme is costing over £300,000 MORE!!! yet they claim we're going to save over £1,000,000 by bringing in the new paid for scheme. Not quite sure how they arrive at these figures, but it seems my 2 year old is better at maths than they are! Clippies
  • Score: 6

5:58pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Clippies says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up.

Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it.

I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.
According to figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley the council needs a minimum 31,200 homes to sign up to break even (£1,247,000 / £40)
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up. Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it. I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.[/p][/quote]According to figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley the council needs a minimum 31,200 homes to sign up to break even (£1,247,000 / £40) Clippies
  • Score: 2

6:01pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Clippies says...

sadgit wrote:
Not sure the black bins will be emptied if they contain garden waste.
Mine was only half emptied when I had put a few leaves in the black bin after the "operators" had obviously sifted through and found the contraband.
Best of luck everyone.
The council have reassigned £147,000 to pay for a 10% increase in landfill from Green Waste, so the Council should empty the black bins - even if they do contain green waste
[quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: Not sure the black bins will be emptied if they contain garden waste. Mine was only half emptied when I had put a few leaves in the black bin after the "operators" had obviously sifted through and found the contraband. Best of luck everyone.[/p][/quote]The council have reassigned £147,000 to pay for a 10% increase in landfill from Green Waste, so the Council should empty the black bins - even if they do contain green waste Clippies
  • Score: 2

6:03pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Clippies says...

nobody wrote:
Only 6.500 homes signed up for it, obviously a well costed and thought out change.
That's the council for you - I bet no privately owned company would have brought this ill thought out scheme in as there is clearly no profit in it...just more cost to the tax payer!
[quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: Only 6.500 homes signed up for it, obviously a well costed and thought out change.[/p][/quote]That's the council for you - I bet no privately owned company would have brought this ill thought out scheme in as there is clearly no profit in it...just more cost to the tax payer! Clippies
  • Score: 2

6:06pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Clippies says...

Wildwestener wrote:
What a load of hogwash. It's like being mugged but told it's ok because only half our money is nicked. This has never been a free service to those of us who actually pay our Council Tax. It's now just an additional payment. SBC, word of advice - stop treating us like morons - services we pay Council tax for are not free, stop saying it as if it is. People might be a **** sight more sympathetic if you stopped coming out with all this BS.

Oh and 6,500 households have signed p. Not sure how many households there are in Swindon, but I'd be surprised if that is more than 10% - 15% of them all. Hardly a roaring success is it.
Apparently there are around 90,000 households, so only 7.25% sign up rate.
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: What a load of hogwash. It's like being mugged but told it's ok because only half our money is nicked. This has never been a free service to those of us who actually pay our Council Tax. It's now just an additional payment. SBC, word of advice - stop treating us like morons - services we pay Council tax for are not free, stop saying it as if it is. People might be a **** sight more sympathetic if you stopped coming out with all this BS. Oh and 6,500 households have signed p. Not sure how many households there are in Swindon, but I'd be surprised if that is more than 10% - 15% of them all. Hardly a roaring success is it.[/p][/quote]Apparently there are around 90,000 households, so only 7.25% sign up rate. Clippies
  • Score: 2

6:21pm Mon 31 Mar 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Clippies wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up.

Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it.

I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.
According to figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley the council needs a minimum 31,200 homes to sign up to break even (£1,247,000 / £40)
Hi

I think you've forgotten to remove the 600k saving by removing the old system, thus reducing the numbers to 18,000ish. Several articles talk about 16-18k being the numbers required to break even.
[quote][p][bold]Clippies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up. Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it. I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.[/p][/quote]According to figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley the council needs a minimum 31,200 homes to sign up to break even (£1,247,000 / £40)[/p][/quote]Hi I think you've forgotten to remove the 600k saving by removing the old system, thus reducing the numbers to 18,000ish. Several articles talk about 16-18k being the numbers required to break even. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Mon 31 Mar 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Clippies wrote:
sadgit wrote:
Not sure the black bins will be emptied if they contain garden waste.
Mine was only half emptied when I had put a few leaves in the black bin after the "operators" had obviously sifted through and found the contraband.
Best of luck everyone.
The council have reassigned £147,000 to pay for a 10% increase in landfill from Green Waste, so the Council should empty the black bins - even if they do contain green waste
The majority of it won't go to land fill anyway as Swindon have put new facility in place that should be able to turn 95% of non recyclable household waste into fuel pellets including any green waste that is thrown in.

The first phase is already in place and the second phase kicks in shortly which should meet the 95%.
[quote][p][bold]Clippies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: Not sure the black bins will be emptied if they contain garden waste. Mine was only half emptied when I had put a few leaves in the black bin after the "operators" had obviously sifted through and found the contraband. Best of luck everyone.[/p][/quote]The council have reassigned £147,000 to pay for a 10% increase in landfill from Green Waste, so the Council should empty the black bins - even if they do contain green waste[/p][/quote]The majority of it won't go to land fill anyway as Swindon have put new facility in place that should be able to turn 95% of non recyclable household waste into fuel pellets including any green waste that is thrown in. The first phase is already in place and the second phase kicks in shortly which should meet the 95%. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 0

6:49pm Mon 31 Mar 14

fuzzey says...

Wouldn't it be great if the council now did a rethink let us buy the bins for 40 pounds so ok with those already paid but then gave us free fortnightly collections for say 5 months of the year there cannot be many who need this service through the winter .This should take care of all the surplus green bins and help to make voters and taxpayers who feel they are being ripped off happy maybe i should dream on ??
Wouldn't it be great if the council now did a rethink let us buy the bins for 40 pounds so ok with those already paid but then gave us free fortnightly collections for say 5 months of the year there cannot be many who need this service through the winter .This should take care of all the surplus green bins and help to make voters and taxpayers who feel they are being ripped off happy maybe i should dream on ?? fuzzey
  • Score: 3

7:05pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Morsey says...

Vote these pillocks in again and suffer similar consequences ... the town is being brought into the gutter by ill thought out and untried and tested optomistic ideology.

What else can be charged for that we already have included in our Council Tax ... I know, charges for educating children, provision of street lighting, dog mess clearance ... now that's a good one ... will dog owners be dumping their dogs like gardeners are going to dump green waste?

To The Artist ... yes we own a bungalow each ... two Socialists living within our means and not a penny in hand outs either ... it can be done! Practicality mate ... you are not aware of our situation, this is reasonable to a couple who worked hard for their own personal property in the form of a home each, when we met! Both non-smokers, non-drinkers and careful with the pennies this Government leaves us with!

It still doesn't exclude us from caring about those less fortunate in society.
Vote these pillocks in again and suffer similar consequences ... the town is being brought into the gutter by ill thought out and untried and tested optomistic ideology. What else can be charged for that we already have included in our Council Tax ... I know, charges for educating children, provision of street lighting, dog mess clearance ... now that's a good one ... will dog owners be dumping their dogs like gardeners are going to dump green waste? To The Artist ... yes we own a bungalow each ... two Socialists living within our means and not a penny in hand outs either ... it can be done! Practicality mate ... you are not aware of our situation, this is reasonable to a couple who worked hard for their own personal property in the form of a home each, when we met! Both non-smokers, non-drinkers and careful with the pennies this Government leaves us with! It still doesn't exclude us from caring about those less fortunate in society. Morsey
  • Score: 0

10:16pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Clippies says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Clippies wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up.

Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it.

I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.
According to figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley the council needs a minimum 31,200 homes to sign up to break even (£1,247,000 / £40)
Hi

I think you've forgotten to remove the 600k saving by removing the old system, thus reducing the numbers to 18,000ish. Several articles talk about 16-18k being the numbers required to break even.
Cost prices quoted by David Renard and Richard Hurley for the new scheme are as follows:

£500,000 for new vehicles/attachments for handling the bins
£147,000 Extra landfill
£269,000 12,000 New bins
£300,000 Annual Running costs (staff, fuel, servicing etc.)

There are also 728,000 (7000 households x 4 bags for 26 collections) bags on order for which no price has been given, so £31,000 is probably on the low side, giving a grand total of £1,147,000 running costs. The total cost of running the so called 'free' service last year was £758,000 and none of this is included in either costs or savings for the new scheme, as the service no longer exists. Quite where the £600,000 saving comes from is beyond me - it's most probably a number just pulled out of the air to make their figures look better?
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clippies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up. Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it. I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.[/p][/quote]According to figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley the council needs a minimum 31,200 homes to sign up to break even (£1,247,000 / £40)[/p][/quote]Hi I think you've forgotten to remove the 600k saving by removing the old system, thus reducing the numbers to 18,000ish. Several articles talk about 16-18k being the numbers required to break even.[/p][/quote]Cost prices quoted by David Renard and Richard Hurley for the new scheme are as follows: £500,000 for new vehicles/attachments for handling the bins £147,000 Extra landfill £269,000 12,000 New bins £300,000 Annual Running costs (staff, fuel, servicing etc.) There are also 728,000 (7000 households x 4 bags for 26 collections) bags on order for which no price has been given, so £31,000 is probably on the low side, giving a grand total of £1,147,000 running costs. The total cost of running the so called 'free' service last year was £758,000 and none of this is included in either costs or savings for the new scheme, as the service no longer exists. Quite where the £600,000 saving comes from is beyond me - it's most probably a number just pulled out of the air to make their figures look better? Clippies
  • Score: 3

9:48am Tue 1 Apr 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Clippies wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Clippies wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up.

Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it.

I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.
According to figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley the council needs a minimum 31,200 homes to sign up to break even (£1,247,000 / £40)
Hi

I think you've forgotten to remove the 600k saving by removing the old system, thus reducing the numbers to 18,000ish. Several articles talk about 16-18k being the numbers required to break even.
Cost prices quoted by David Renard and Richard Hurley for the new scheme are as follows:

£500,000 for new vehicles/attachments for handling the bins
£147,000 Extra landfill
£269,000 12,000 New bins
£300,000 Annual Running costs (staff, fuel, servicing etc.)

There are also 728,000 (7000 households x 4 bags for 26 collections) bags on order for which no price has been given, so £31,000 is probably on the low side, giving a grand total of £1,147,000 running costs. The total cost of running the so called 'free' service last year was £758,000 and none of this is included in either costs or savings for the new scheme, as the service no longer exists. Quite where the £600,000 saving comes from is beyond me - it's most probably a number just pulled out of the air to make their figures look better?
I didn't run around and check every last number, but the numbers I used were based on previous articles and other information. Anyway here's one article which quotes a few numbers.
http://www.swindonad
vertiser.co.uk/news/
10914024.__40_green_
waste_fee__given_the
_go_ahead/

If the old "free" service cost 758k, then that is the saving that you are missing.

Cost of new service =1,147,000
Cost of old service = 758,000 (now classed as saving and redirected to setup costs. 600k is based on 15% sign up per the article link above.)

Therefore the nett cost of setting up the new service is 389,000.

As with all things involving a public body and finances, the numbers often don't add up and are constantly moving. One thing we both agree on is that this experiment is a farce and one that is clearly not going to be cost effective for many years.

No doubt the councillors will all be patting themselves on the back and claiming the scheme is a success.
[quote][p][bold]Clippies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clippies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up. Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it. I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.[/p][/quote]According to figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley the council needs a minimum 31,200 homes to sign up to break even (£1,247,000 / £40)[/p][/quote]Hi I think you've forgotten to remove the 600k saving by removing the old system, thus reducing the numbers to 18,000ish. Several articles talk about 16-18k being the numbers required to break even.[/p][/quote]Cost prices quoted by David Renard and Richard Hurley for the new scheme are as follows: £500,000 for new vehicles/attachments for handling the bins £147,000 Extra landfill £269,000 12,000 New bins £300,000 Annual Running costs (staff, fuel, servicing etc.) There are also 728,000 (7000 households x 4 bags for 26 collections) bags on order for which no price has been given, so £31,000 is probably on the low side, giving a grand total of £1,147,000 running costs. The total cost of running the so called 'free' service last year was £758,000 and none of this is included in either costs or savings for the new scheme, as the service no longer exists. Quite where the £600,000 saving comes from is beyond me - it's most probably a number just pulled out of the air to make their figures look better?[/p][/quote]I didn't run around and check every last number, but the numbers I used were based on previous articles and other information. Anyway here's one article which quotes a few numbers. http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/news/ 10914024.__40_green_ waste_fee__given_the _go_ahead/ If the old "free" service cost 758k, then that is the saving that you are missing. Cost of new service =1,147,000 Cost of old service = 758,000 (now classed as saving and redirected to setup costs. 600k is based on 15% sign up per the article link above.) Therefore the nett cost of setting up the new service is 389,000. As with all things involving a public body and finances, the numbers often don't add up and are constantly moving. One thing we both agree on is that this experiment is a farce and one that is clearly not going to be cost effective for many years. No doubt the councillors will all be patting themselves on the back and claiming the scheme is a success. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 3

12:00pm Tue 1 Apr 14

You slug says...

Have I missed something here?
We normally utilise the fortnightly 4 bag collection which equates to approx 100 bags per year. These bags are not free, we usually buy them from one of the DIY chains and over the course of a year we spend close to the £40 we are now required to spend on a bin. The only difference for me is it's much easier to put garden waste in a bin than it is a bag so as far as I'm concerned it's a step forward and will make life easier for no extra cost. For those who didn't buy the green bags obviously don't need them and therefore won't need the bin so what's the problem?
Like I said, am I missing something?
Have I missed something here? We normally utilise the fortnightly 4 bag collection which equates to approx 100 bags per year. These bags are not free, we usually buy them from one of the DIY chains and over the course of a year we spend close to the £40 we are now required to spend on a bin. The only difference for me is it's much easier to put garden waste in a bin than it is a bag so as far as I'm concerned it's a step forward and will make life easier for no extra cost. For those who didn't buy the green bags obviously don't need them and therefore won't need the bin so what's the problem? Like I said, am I missing something? You slug
  • Score: -2

12:25pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

You slug wrote:
Have I missed something here?
We normally utilise the fortnightly 4 bag collection which equates to approx 100 bags per year. These bags are not free, we usually buy them from one of the DIY chains and over the course of a year we spend close to the £40 we are now required to spend on a bin. The only difference for me is it's much easier to put garden waste in a bin than it is a bag so as far as I'm concerned it's a step forward and will make life easier for no extra cost. For those who didn't buy the green bags obviously don't need them and therefore won't need the bin so what's the problem?
Like I said, am I missing something?
You're definitely missing something if you're spending £40 a year on green bags! I don't use that many as I compost lots but 100 bags would cost me around £11 a year.

Like many others though I only actually ever used the green waste service in the peak growing season. Paying £40 a year for a service I only use for maybe 2 months of the year does not make sense. That means around £33 of the £40 charge would be wasted as I would be paying for a service I do not need.
[quote][p][bold]You slug[/bold] wrote: Have I missed something here? We normally utilise the fortnightly 4 bag collection which equates to approx 100 bags per year. These bags are not free, we usually buy them from one of the DIY chains and over the course of a year we spend close to the £40 we are now required to spend on a bin. The only difference for me is it's much easier to put garden waste in a bin than it is a bag so as far as I'm concerned it's a step forward and will make life easier for no extra cost. For those who didn't buy the green bags obviously don't need them and therefore won't need the bin so what's the problem? Like I said, am I missing something?[/p][/quote]You're definitely missing something if you're spending £40 a year on green bags! I don't use that many as I compost lots but 100 bags would cost me around £11 a year. Like many others though I only actually ever used the green waste service in the peak growing season. Paying £40 a year for a service I only use for maybe 2 months of the year does not make sense. That means around £33 of the £40 charge would be wasted as I would be paying for a service I do not need. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Morsey wrote:
Vote these pillocks in again and suffer similar consequences ... the town is being brought into the gutter by ill thought out and untried and tested optomistic ideology.

What else can be charged for that we already have included in our Council Tax ... I know, charges for educating children, provision of street lighting, dog mess clearance ... now that's a good one ... will dog owners be dumping their dogs like gardeners are going to dump green waste?

To The Artist ... yes we own a bungalow each ... two Socialists living within our means and not a penny in hand outs either ... it can be done! Practicality mate ... you are not aware of our situation, this is reasonable to a couple who worked hard for their own personal property in the form of a home each, when we met! Both non-smokers, non-drinkers and careful with the pennies this Government leaves us with!

It still doesn't exclude us from caring about those less fortunate in society.
Nope, you are right I am not aware of your situation, and nor do I need to be.

Just thought the concept of owning multiple properties was somewhat at odds with my perception of your socialist ideals.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: Vote these pillocks in again and suffer similar consequences ... the town is being brought into the gutter by ill thought out and untried and tested optomistic ideology. What else can be charged for that we already have included in our Council Tax ... I know, charges for educating children, provision of street lighting, dog mess clearance ... now that's a good one ... will dog owners be dumping their dogs like gardeners are going to dump green waste? To The Artist ... yes we own a bungalow each ... two Socialists living within our means and not a penny in hand outs either ... it can be done! Practicality mate ... you are not aware of our situation, this is reasonable to a couple who worked hard for their own personal property in the form of a home each, when we met! Both non-smokers, non-drinkers and careful with the pennies this Government leaves us with! It still doesn't exclude us from caring about those less fortunate in society.[/p][/quote]Nope, you are right I am not aware of your situation, and nor do I need to be. Just thought the concept of owning multiple properties was somewhat at odds with my perception of your socialist ideals. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Morsey wrote:
Vote these pillocks in again and suffer similar consequences ... the town is being brought into the gutter by ill thought out and untried and tested optomistic ideology.

What else can be charged for that we already have included in our Council Tax ... I know, charges for educating children, provision of street lighting, dog mess clearance ... now that's a good one ... will dog owners be dumping their dogs like gardeners are going to dump green waste?

To The Artist ... yes we own a bungalow each ... two Socialists living within our means and not a penny in hand outs either ... it can be done! Practicality mate ... you are not aware of our situation, this is reasonable to a couple who worked hard for their own personal property in the form of a home each, when we met! Both non-smokers, non-drinkers and careful with the pennies this Government leaves us with!

It still doesn't exclude us from caring about those less fortunate in society.
Of course, you could show how much you care about those less fortunate in society by giving away one of your houses to someone in greater need....
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: Vote these pillocks in again and suffer similar consequences ... the town is being brought into the gutter by ill thought out and untried and tested optomistic ideology. What else can be charged for that we already have included in our Council Tax ... I know, charges for educating children, provision of street lighting, dog mess clearance ... now that's a good one ... will dog owners be dumping their dogs like gardeners are going to dump green waste? To The Artist ... yes we own a bungalow each ... two Socialists living within our means and not a penny in hand outs either ... it can be done! Practicality mate ... you are not aware of our situation, this is reasonable to a couple who worked hard for their own personal property in the form of a home each, when we met! Both non-smokers, non-drinkers and careful with the pennies this Government leaves us with! It still doesn't exclude us from caring about those less fortunate in society.[/p][/quote]Of course, you could show how much you care about those less fortunate in society by giving away one of your houses to someone in greater need.... The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 1

3:08pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Morsey says...

Oh, Artist ... that made me chuckle! Us lefties aren't so daft ... when others worked only part-time when there were jobs a plenty, and pi$$ed most of their earnings up against the wall ...and, ran cars they couldn't really afford on tick ... and brought more kids into the world than they could afford ... and had to have things which were really beyond their means ...

Just being a Socialist doesn't mean there is a desire to be kept, living on The State and without means. I come from a generation of 'make do and mend' and if you ain't got the money, borrowing is NOT the answer ... get out and bloody earn it!
Oh, Artist ... that made me chuckle! Us lefties aren't so daft ... when others worked only part-time when there were jobs a plenty, and pi$$ed most of their earnings up against the wall ...and, ran cars they couldn't really afford on tick ... and brought more kids into the world than they could afford ... and had to have things which were really beyond their means ... Just being a Socialist doesn't mean there is a desire to be kept, living on The State and without means. I come from a generation of 'make do and mend' and if you ain't got the money, borrowing is NOT the answer ... get out and bloody earn it! Morsey
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Morsey wrote:
Oh, Artist ... that made me chuckle! Us lefties aren't so daft ... when others worked only part-time when there were jobs a plenty, and pi$$ed most of their earnings up against the wall ...and, ran cars they couldn't really afford on tick ... and brought more kids into the world than they could afford ... and had to have things which were really beyond their means ...

Just being a Socialist doesn't mean there is a desire to be kept, living on The State and without means. I come from a generation of 'make do and mend' and if you ain't got the money, borrowing is NOT the answer ... get out and bloody earn it!
So you're not really a socialist then?
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: Oh, Artist ... that made me chuckle! Us lefties aren't so daft ... when others worked only part-time when there were jobs a plenty, and pi$$ed most of their earnings up against the wall ...and, ran cars they couldn't really afford on tick ... and brought more kids into the world than they could afford ... and had to have things which were really beyond their means ... Just being a Socialist doesn't mean there is a desire to be kept, living on The State and without means. I come from a generation of 'make do and mend' and if you ain't got the money, borrowing is NOT the answer ... get out and bloody earn it![/p][/quote]So you're not really a socialist then? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 1

6:44pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Morsey says...

Hmm ... is that so ...? I still believe in people, at the very least trying, but genuine hardship covers so many aspects of welfare, though self-inflicted and pre-determined attitudes that the world owes someone a living is not going to gain my support? If that precludes me from being a Socialist, then I don't know?

I have stood on picket lines and supported union action for a fair deal and been concerned when people with clear disability have been told they are fit for work, and their support stopped, when neighbouring familes of fully fit adults and their numerous children are receiving huge benefit existence. Does that make me a bad Socialist?

Oh, where were we ... the green wheelies, was it not?
Hmm ... is that so ...? I still believe in people, at the very least trying, but genuine hardship covers so many aspects of welfare, though self-inflicted and pre-determined attitudes that the world owes someone a living is not going to gain my support? If that precludes me from being a Socialist, then I don't know? I have stood on picket lines and supported union action for a fair deal and been concerned when people with clear disability have been told they are fit for work, and their support stopped, when neighbouring familes of fully fit adults and their numerous children are receiving huge benefit existence. Does that make me a bad Socialist? Oh, where were we ... the green wheelies, was it not? Morsey
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Clippies says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Clippies wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Clippies wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up.

Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it.

I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.
According to figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley the council needs a minimum 31,200 homes to sign up to break even (£1,247,000 / £40)
Hi

I think you've forgotten to remove the 600k saving by removing the old system, thus reducing the numbers to 18,000ish. Several articles talk about 16-18k being the numbers required to break even.
Cost prices quoted by David Renard and Richard Hurley for the new scheme are as follows:

£500,000 for new vehicles/attachments for handling the bins
£147,000 Extra landfill
£269,000 12,000 New bins
£300,000 Annual Running costs (staff, fuel, servicing etc.)

There are also 728,000 (7000 households x 4 bags for 26 collections) bags on order for which no price has been given, so £31,000 is probably on the low side, giving a grand total of £1,147,000 running costs. The total cost of running the so called 'free' service last year was £758,000 and none of this is included in either costs or savings for the new scheme, as the service no longer exists. Quite where the £600,000 saving comes from is beyond me - it's most probably a number just pulled out of the air to make their figures look better?
I didn't run around and check every last number, but the numbers I used were based on previous articles and other information. Anyway here's one article which quotes a few numbers.
http://www.swindonad

vertiser.co.uk/news/

10914024.__40_green_

waste_fee__given_the

_go_ahead/

If the old "free" service cost 758k, then that is the saving that you are missing.

Cost of new service =1,147,000
Cost of old service = 758,000 (now classed as saving and redirected to setup costs. 600k is based on 15% sign up per the article link above.)

Therefore the nett cost of setting up the new service is 389,000.

As with all things involving a public body and finances, the numbers often don't add up and are constantly moving. One thing we both agree on is that this experiment is a farce and one that is clearly not going to be cost effective for many years.

No doubt the councillors will all be patting themselves on the back and claiming the scheme is a success.
Maybe you should have run around chasing figures because the actual cost currently stands at around £900,000 (taking in to account all costs and income generated by this new scheme) as only 6500 households have thus far signed up. This means the new scheme is going to cost £142,000 MORE for a collection route that is just 7.5% the size of the old route. As the council has failed to gain more funding from the Government and have kept the Council tax frozen, I wonder what extra cuts will need to be made to fund this ludicrous scheme.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clippies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clippies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: The council needed 16,000 to 18,000 homes to sign up just to break even on this project, yet barely a third of the number have signed up. Like many others, my green waste will be in the household waste unless I happen to be doing a trip to the recycling center anyway. With the new facility turning household waste into fuel pellets, I don't even have to feel guilty about it. I have yet to find anyone who has signed up to the scheme, yet the fly tipping of green rubbish has started already as people didn't realise the green waste changes were starting in April.[/p][/quote]According to figures supplied by David Renard and Richard Hurley the council needs a minimum 31,200 homes to sign up to break even (£1,247,000 / £40)[/p][/quote]Hi I think you've forgotten to remove the 600k saving by removing the old system, thus reducing the numbers to 18,000ish. Several articles talk about 16-18k being the numbers required to break even.[/p][/quote]Cost prices quoted by David Renard and Richard Hurley for the new scheme are as follows: £500,000 for new vehicles/attachments for handling the bins £147,000 Extra landfill £269,000 12,000 New bins £300,000 Annual Running costs (staff, fuel, servicing etc.) There are also 728,000 (7000 households x 4 bags for 26 collections) bags on order for which no price has been given, so £31,000 is probably on the low side, giving a grand total of £1,147,000 running costs. The total cost of running the so called 'free' service last year was £758,000 and none of this is included in either costs or savings for the new scheme, as the service no longer exists. Quite where the £600,000 saving comes from is beyond me - it's most probably a number just pulled out of the air to make their figures look better?[/p][/quote]I didn't run around and check every last number, but the numbers I used were based on previous articles and other information. Anyway here's one article which quotes a few numbers. http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/news/ 10914024.__40_green_ waste_fee__given_the _go_ahead/ If the old "free" service cost 758k, then that is the saving that you are missing. Cost of new service =1,147,000 Cost of old service = 758,000 (now classed as saving and redirected to setup costs. 600k is based on 15% sign up per the article link above.) Therefore the nett cost of setting up the new service is 389,000. As with all things involving a public body and finances, the numbers often don't add up and are constantly moving. One thing we both agree on is that this experiment is a farce and one that is clearly not going to be cost effective for many years. No doubt the councillors will all be patting themselves on the back and claiming the scheme is a success.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should have run around chasing figures because the actual cost currently stands at around £900,000 (taking in to account all costs and income generated by this new scheme) as only 6500 households have thus far signed up. This means the new scheme is going to cost £142,000 MORE for a collection route that is just 7.5% the size of the old route. As the council has failed to gain more funding from the Government and have kept the Council tax frozen, I wonder what extra cuts will need to be made to fund this ludicrous scheme. Clippies
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