Energy idea will put us quids-in

Coun Dale Heenan

Coun Dale Heenan

First published in News Swindon Advertiser: Photograph of the Author by , @Michael_Benke

RESIDENTS could soon have the chance to become stakeholders in the town’s renewable energy projects as a way of earning an extra income.

Later this week, a ground-breaking motion is set to go before council which could, if passed, pave the way for the creation of a Swindon Energy Social Enterprise Company, one of the first of its type in the country.

It would be run as a co-operative, similar to John Lewis, which would allow people to invest money in renewable energy projects such as the proposed M4 solar barrier.

It would also encourage residents to take part in Collective Switch Schemes, the most recent of which in Swindon saw some households save up to £300 a year.

According to council leaders, renewable energy projects have a strong rate of return for investors and the social enterprise company, making them ideal for those wanting an additional income.

Coun Dale Heenan (Con, Covingham and Dorcan) said: “Renewable energy schemes like solar farms cost millions of pounds to build, but can generate returns of between six and 10 per cent for the pension companies and private investors who provide the funding.

“To achieve our ambition of 100 per cent renewable energy by 2020, we must create the environment where business is willing to invest in Swindon. But I believe that we must also create opportunities for local residents to benefit by investing their own money.

“We have the big six energy companies, but I’d like us to have the big 60 – 60,000 people taking part in Swindon's Community Energy projects.

“If someone has £250 or £10,000 to invest, great, but through the Social Enterprise, I am advocating new ideas to really remove the barriers and make investing accessible to everybody. “For example a ‘renewables kickstarter’ could allow people with £20 to be involved.”

Last month, the Chancellor George Osbourne changed the rules over pensions, meaning it will be easier for retired people to access their money.

The social enterprise company would be the perfect opportunity for people to invest money for a dependable income, especially with progress being made on schemes in the town, according to Coun Heenan.

He said: “The pension reforms announced by the Government also mean we have a golden opportunity to provide an alternative reliable long term income for people who do not wish to buy an annuity.

“Work on the A419 solar sound barrier is going well and it looks like it can be completed on a not for profit basis, but the M4 is perfect for a commercial investment. I would like to see these fast tracked over the summer and be our first community owned energy projects."

The motion, which also recommends the establishment of a cross-party group to look at future renewable energy projects, is set to be put forward at Thursday’s council meeting.

If successful, a report will be put together looking at the viability of the scheme.

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9:23am Tue 1 Apr 14

Klinkerhoffen says...

Lets hope that this time SBC employ some actual experts to administer the scheme. The shadow of the WIFI mess hangs over all of their heads, so I suspect a lot of people will remain very sceptical about the chances of seeing a return on their investment.
Lets hope that this time SBC employ some actual experts to administer the scheme. The shadow of the WIFI mess hangs over all of their heads, so I suspect a lot of people will remain very sceptical about the chances of seeing a return on their investment. Klinkerhoffen
  • Score: 9

10:06am Tue 1 Apr 14

Al Smith says...

Klinkerhoffen wrote:
Lets hope that this time SBC employ some actual experts to administer the scheme. The shadow of the WIFI mess hangs over all of their heads, so I suspect a lot of people will remain very sceptical about the chances of seeing a return on their investment.
Like with WiFi this one has my alarm bells ringing, in particular the minor fact that the natural direction of an A419 fence is E to NE facing (exactly the wrong direction for solar panels).

M4 is another matter and is a far more logical choice and because SBC are involved isn't being built.
[quote][p][bold]Klinkerhoffen[/bold] wrote: Lets hope that this time SBC employ some actual experts to administer the scheme. The shadow of the WIFI mess hangs over all of their heads, so I suspect a lot of people will remain very sceptical about the chances of seeing a return on their investment.[/p][/quote]Like with WiFi this one has my alarm bells ringing, in particular the minor fact that the natural direction of an A419 fence is E to NE facing (exactly the wrong direction for solar panels). M4 is another matter and is a far more logical choice and because SBC are involved isn't being built. Al Smith
  • Score: 6

10:10am Tue 1 Apr 14

Hmmmf says...

Heenan's "vision". He's obsessed with spending other people's money on 'renewables' scams to buy his ticket to Westminster. More green taxes on our energy bills, more free money for the suppliers, another 'first' for Swindon and more greeny kudos for Heenan, all at our expense.
http://goo.gl/G63aT8


Of course, with the Big Six energy companies facing a possible breakup by the regulators, few will be keen to invest in subsidy farms. So now he turns his attention to pensioners as a source of money for his vanity projects. Despicable.
Heenan's "vision". He's obsessed with spending other people's money on 'renewables' scams to buy his ticket to Westminster. More green taxes on our energy bills, more free money for the suppliers, another 'first' for Swindon and more greeny kudos for Heenan, all at our expense. http://goo.gl/G63aT8 Of course, with the Big Six energy companies facing a possible breakup by the regulators, few will be keen to invest in subsidy farms. So now he turns his attention to pensioners as a source of money for his vanity projects. Despicable. Hmmmf
  • Score: 5

10:16am Tue 1 Apr 14

Oik1 says...

Hold on a minute, council leaders want us to invest our money in their schemes, remember WIFI anyone, how about the green bins ?
There, I've just picked myself up off the floor, my sides are splitting, it just has to be a joke look at the date, nice one Swindon Advertiser.
Hold on a minute, council leaders want us to invest our money in their schemes, remember WIFI anyone, how about the green bins ? There, I've just picked myself up off the floor, my sides are splitting, it just has to be a joke look at the date, nice one Swindon Advertiser. Oik1
  • Score: 4

10:42am Tue 1 Apr 14

john1063 says...

Would it not be better to actually track the sun therefore getting a 30% increase in efficiency
Would it not be better to actually track the sun therefore getting a 30% increase in efficiency john1063
  • Score: 2

10:45am Tue 1 Apr 14

stratton man says...

Anything the publicity hound Dale Heenan promotes is sure to be a dud.He seems to spend his time dreaming up uncosted and impractical schemes that will put the Council deeper in debt.This bunch of incompetents have put us 120 million pounds in the red since they took power.Has Heenan any plans to pay this off.Thought not.
Anything the publicity hound Dale Heenan promotes is sure to be a dud.He seems to spend his time dreaming up uncosted and impractical schemes that will put the Council deeper in debt.This bunch of incompetents have put us 120 million pounds in the red since they took power.Has Heenan any plans to pay this off.Thought not. stratton man
  • Score: 0

11:47am Tue 1 Apr 14

madreeves says...

There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.
There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life. madreeves
  • Score: -3

12:13pm Tue 1 Apr 14

BCDR99 says...

As midday has passed, I'm calling this one. April Fool! A good joke until you read the "100% renewable energy by 2020"
As midday has passed, I'm calling this one. April Fool! A good joke until you read the "100% renewable energy by 2020" BCDR99
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Lips1964 says...

madreeves wrote:
There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.
I agree with you madreeves
there too many people on here that have their own political agendas and just want to have a dig at SBC or individual politicians/councill
ors whenever they get the opportunity.
Some bitter ex-councillors, wannabe councillors, and those that think they should run the country.
Yep SBC and it's members have their faults and I am sure every one of the vocal critics on here could do a much better job given the chance ... Hmmm yeah not really likely.

Of course everyone entitled to their opinions and I am sure I will get some in response, but the Wifi debacle is old news - move on people !!

This is a good idea in principle and yes lot's of unanswered questions but it is an idea being floated at the moment, let's not be so quick to dismiss it out of hand
[quote][p][bold]madreeves[/bold] wrote: There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.[/p][/quote]I agree with you madreeves there too many people on here that have their own political agendas and just want to have a dig at SBC or individual politicians/councill ors whenever they get the opportunity. Some bitter ex-councillors, wannabe councillors, and those that think they should run the country. Yep SBC and it's members have their faults and I am sure every one of the vocal critics on here could do a much better job given the chance ... Hmmm yeah not really likely. Of course everyone entitled to their opinions and I am sure I will get some in response, but the Wifi debacle is old news - move on people !! This is a good idea in principle and yes lot's of unanswered questions but it is an idea being floated at the moment, let's not be so quick to dismiss it out of hand Lips1964
  • Score: -1

12:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Ricki Hunt was a nice bloke.
The wifi would have worked if Labour hadn't ruined it
Ricki Hunt was a nice bloke. The wifi would have worked if Labour hadn't ruined it Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 2

12:54pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Dale Heenan is a nice bloke too.
Dale Heenan is a nice bloke too. Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -1

1:15pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

Can anyone trust a word any Tory councilor says ?
Just look at their track record. Roll on May to boot them out.
Can anyone trust a word any Tory councilor says ? Just look at their track record. Roll on May to boot them out. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -1

1:55pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

Unfortunately Tory trolls, thumb fiddling wont change what the public really think.
Unfortunately Tory trolls, thumb fiddling wont change what the public really think. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -1

2:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

Klinkerhoffen wrote:
Lets hope that this time SBC employ some actual experts to administer the scheme. The shadow of the WIFI mess hangs over all of their heads, so I suspect a lot of people will remain very sceptical about the chances of seeing a return on their investment.
You used the words "experts" and "SBC" in the same sentence, the best joke so far this year!
[quote][p][bold]Klinkerhoffen[/bold] wrote: Lets hope that this time SBC employ some actual experts to administer the scheme. The shadow of the WIFI mess hangs over all of their heads, so I suspect a lot of people will remain very sceptical about the chances of seeing a return on their investment.[/p][/quote]You used the words "experts" and "SBC" in the same sentence, the best joke so far this year! house on the hill
  • Score: 4

2:05pm Tue 1 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

Oik1 wrote:
Hold on a minute, council leaders want us to invest our money in their schemes, remember WIFI anyone, how about the green bins ?
There, I've just picked myself up off the floor, my sides are splitting, it just has to be a joke look at the date, nice one Swindon Advertiser.
Maybe it is the April Fool joke?
[quote][p][bold]Oik1[/bold] wrote: Hold on a minute, council leaders want us to invest our money in their schemes, remember WIFI anyone, how about the green bins ? There, I've just picked myself up off the floor, my sides are splitting, it just has to be a joke look at the date, nice one Swindon Advertiser.[/p][/quote]Maybe it is the April Fool joke? house on the hill
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Tue 1 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

Lips1964 wrote:
madreeves wrote:
There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.
I agree with you madreeves
there too many people on here that have their own political agendas and just want to have a dig at SBC or individual politicians/councill

ors whenever they get the opportunity.
Some bitter ex-councillors, wannabe councillors, and those that think they should run the country.
Yep SBC and it's members have their faults and I am sure every one of the vocal critics on here could do a much better job given the chance ... Hmmm yeah not really likely.

Of course everyone entitled to their opinions and I am sure I will get some in response, but the Wifi debacle is old news - move on people !!

This is a good idea in principle and yes lot's of unanswered questions but it is an idea being floated at the moment, let's not be so quick to dismiss it out of hand
You have clearly never worked there. if it was a competitive business like the private sector it would have gone bust years ago. It only survives because we are forced by law to pay into it, they are the most inefficient complacent uncaring of the service they provide bunch I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Yes some of the ideas are great but you need good people to make it work and they don't have any as is proven time and again!
[quote][p][bold]Lips1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madreeves[/bold] wrote: There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.[/p][/quote]I agree with you madreeves there too many people on here that have their own political agendas and just want to have a dig at SBC or individual politicians/councill ors whenever they get the opportunity. Some bitter ex-councillors, wannabe councillors, and those that think they should run the country. Yep SBC and it's members have their faults and I am sure every one of the vocal critics on here could do a much better job given the chance ... Hmmm yeah not really likely. Of course everyone entitled to their opinions and I am sure I will get some in response, but the Wifi debacle is old news - move on people !! This is a good idea in principle and yes lot's of unanswered questions but it is an idea being floated at the moment, let's not be so quick to dismiss it out of hand[/p][/quote]You have clearly never worked there. if it was a competitive business like the private sector it would have gone bust years ago. It only survives because we are forced by law to pay into it, they are the most inefficient complacent uncaring of the service they provide bunch I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Yes some of the ideas are great but you need good people to make it work and they don't have any as is proven time and again! house on the hill
  • Score: 3

3:29pm Tue 1 Apr 14

madreeves says...

house on the hill wrote:
Lips1964 wrote:
madreeves wrote:
There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.
I agree with you madreeves
there too many people on here that have their own political agendas and just want to have a dig at SBC or individual politicians/councill


ors whenever they get the opportunity.
Some bitter ex-councillors, wannabe councillors, and those that think they should run the country.
Yep SBC and it's members have their faults and I am sure every one of the vocal critics on here could do a much better job given the chance ... Hmmm yeah not really likely.

Of course everyone entitled to their opinions and I am sure I will get some in response, but the Wifi debacle is old news - move on people !!

This is a good idea in principle and yes lot's of unanswered questions but it is an idea being floated at the moment, let's not be so quick to dismiss it out of hand
You have clearly never worked there. if it was a competitive business like the private sector it would have gone bust years ago. It only survives because we are forced by law to pay into it, they are the most inefficient complacent uncaring of the service they provide bunch I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Yes some of the ideas are great but you need good people to make it work and they don't have any as is proven time and again!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and, as a past employee, you obviously have an axe to grind there. Fair enough. I too have misgivings about some of the Council services. I have also have praise for some of them. I wouldn't label the whole system as rubbish. Neither would I label it fantastic. However, my post was centred around wi fi and the determination of select individuals (only a small handful) who were determined to see it fail.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lips1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madreeves[/bold] wrote: There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.[/p][/quote]I agree with you madreeves there too many people on here that have their own political agendas and just want to have a dig at SBC or individual politicians/councill ors whenever they get the opportunity. Some bitter ex-councillors, wannabe councillors, and those that think they should run the country. Yep SBC and it's members have their faults and I am sure every one of the vocal critics on here could do a much better job given the chance ... Hmmm yeah not really likely. Of course everyone entitled to their opinions and I am sure I will get some in response, but the Wifi debacle is old news - move on people !! This is a good idea in principle and yes lot's of unanswered questions but it is an idea being floated at the moment, let's not be so quick to dismiss it out of hand[/p][/quote]You have clearly never worked there. if it was a competitive business like the private sector it would have gone bust years ago. It only survives because we are forced by law to pay into it, they are the most inefficient complacent uncaring of the service they provide bunch I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Yes some of the ideas are great but you need good people to make it work and they don't have any as is proven time and again![/p][/quote]Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and, as a past employee, you obviously have an axe to grind there. Fair enough. I too have misgivings about some of the Council services. I have also have praise for some of them. I wouldn't label the whole system as rubbish. Neither would I label it fantastic. However, my post was centred around wi fi and the determination of select individuals (only a small handful) who were determined to see it fail. madreeves
  • Score: -1

4:42pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

madreeves wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Lips1964 wrote:
madreeves wrote:
There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.
I agree with you madreeves
there too many people on here that have their own political agendas and just want to have a dig at SBC or individual politicians/councill



ors whenever they get the opportunity.
Some bitter ex-councillors, wannabe councillors, and those that think they should run the country.
Yep SBC and it's members have their faults and I am sure every one of the vocal critics on here could do a much better job given the chance ... Hmmm yeah not really likely.

Of course everyone entitled to their opinions and I am sure I will get some in response, but the Wifi debacle is old news - move on people !!

This is a good idea in principle and yes lot's of unanswered questions but it is an idea being floated at the moment, let's not be so quick to dismiss it out of hand
You have clearly never worked there. if it was a competitive business like the private sector it would have gone bust years ago. It only survives because we are forced by law to pay into it, they are the most inefficient complacent uncaring of the service they provide bunch I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Yes some of the ideas are great but you need good people to make it work and they don't have any as is proven time and again!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and, as a past employee, you obviously have an axe to grind there. Fair enough. I too have misgivings about some of the Council services. I have also have praise for some of them. I wouldn't label the whole system as rubbish. Neither would I label it fantastic. However, my post was centred around wi fi and the determination of select individuals (only a small handful) who were determined to see it fail.
I don't really think the actions of "select individuals" is what caused the WiFi scheme to fail. More likely is that it failed because it was a pointless gamble of public money on providing a scheme that the big telecoms firms were in the process of or already providing for far less cost. Any kind of sensible due diligence would have stopped it in its tracks before it ever spent any of our money.
[quote][p][bold]madreeves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lips1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madreeves[/bold] wrote: There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.[/p][/quote]I agree with you madreeves there too many people on here that have their own political agendas and just want to have a dig at SBC or individual politicians/councill ors whenever they get the opportunity. Some bitter ex-councillors, wannabe councillors, and those that think they should run the country. Yep SBC and it's members have their faults and I am sure every one of the vocal critics on here could do a much better job given the chance ... Hmmm yeah not really likely. Of course everyone entitled to their opinions and I am sure I will get some in response, but the Wifi debacle is old news - move on people !! This is a good idea in principle and yes lot's of unanswered questions but it is an idea being floated at the moment, let's not be so quick to dismiss it out of hand[/p][/quote]You have clearly never worked there. if it was a competitive business like the private sector it would have gone bust years ago. It only survives because we are forced by law to pay into it, they are the most inefficient complacent uncaring of the service they provide bunch I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Yes some of the ideas are great but you need good people to make it work and they don't have any as is proven time and again![/p][/quote]Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and, as a past employee, you obviously have an axe to grind there. Fair enough. I too have misgivings about some of the Council services. I have also have praise for some of them. I wouldn't label the whole system as rubbish. Neither would I label it fantastic. However, my post was centred around wi fi and the determination of select individuals (only a small handful) who were determined to see it fail.[/p][/quote]I don't really think the actions of "select individuals" is what caused the WiFi scheme to fail. More likely is that it failed because it was a pointless gamble of public money on providing a scheme that the big telecoms firms were in the process of or already providing for far less cost. Any kind of sensible due diligence would have stopped it in its tracks before it ever spent any of our money. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Tue 1 Apr 14

madreeves says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
madreeves wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Lips1964 wrote:
madreeves wrote:
There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.
I agree with you madreeves
there too many people on here that have their own political agendas and just want to have a dig at SBC or individual politicians/councill




ors whenever they get the opportunity.
Some bitter ex-councillors, wannabe councillors, and those that think they should run the country.
Yep SBC and it's members have their faults and I am sure every one of the vocal critics on here could do a much better job given the chance ... Hmmm yeah not really likely.

Of course everyone entitled to their opinions and I am sure I will get some in response, but the Wifi debacle is old news - move on people !!

This is a good idea in principle and yes lot's of unanswered questions but it is an idea being floated at the moment, let's not be so quick to dismiss it out of hand
You have clearly never worked there. if it was a competitive business like the private sector it would have gone bust years ago. It only survives because we are forced by law to pay into it, they are the most inefficient complacent uncaring of the service they provide bunch I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Yes some of the ideas are great but you need good people to make it work and they don't have any as is proven time and again!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and, as a past employee, you obviously have an axe to grind there. Fair enough. I too have misgivings about some of the Council services. I have also have praise for some of them. I wouldn't label the whole system as rubbish. Neither would I label it fantastic. However, my post was centred around wi fi and the determination of select individuals (only a small handful) who were determined to see it fail.
I don't really think the actions of "select individuals" is what caused the WiFi scheme to fail. More likely is that it failed because it was a pointless gamble of public money on providing a scheme that the big telecoms firms were in the process of or already providing for far less cost. Any kind of sensible due diligence would have stopped it in its tracks before it ever spent any of our money.
I'm not going to get embroiled in any further conversations about this. My main point was, and is, that the wi fi issue is all very, very old, boring, news now and is tedious to the extreme when dragged into every conversation about the Council just to try and score some points. Sadly, with an election looming, it will no doubt be crow-barred into every topic by some of the posters on this site.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madreeves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lips1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madreeves[/bold] wrote: There are so many people in Swindon determined to see that it stays in the dark ages with no hope of progression. Every scheme the Council comes up with is derided and shot down from the first moment. I'm tired of seeing the issue of Wi Fi being dragged up constantly as a way to point fingers and assume automatic failure of any future projects. It's so boring and tedious. We'll never know if the wi fi scheme would've worked, but we do know there were a hard core group of anti-Council people whose absolute ambition was making sure it wouldn't, and very actively sought to bring about its demise through a constant barrage of abuse, questioning and, frankly, nasty, underhand tactics - just so they could stand up and smugly say "I told you so" and forever use it as a stick to beat the Council with. Those people know who they are and will be quick to squeal "Rikki Hunt! Rikki Hunt" "Rod Bluh!" "Rod Bluh!". I expect a lot of thumbs down - probably abuse too. Yeah, yeah. The majority of people in Swindon have got over wi fi. It's time some of the posters on this site did too and developed a more healthy, positive outlook on life.[/p][/quote]I agree with you madreeves there too many people on here that have their own political agendas and just want to have a dig at SBC or individual politicians/councill ors whenever they get the opportunity. Some bitter ex-councillors, wannabe councillors, and those that think they should run the country. Yep SBC and it's members have their faults and I am sure every one of the vocal critics on here could do a much better job given the chance ... Hmmm yeah not really likely. Of course everyone entitled to their opinions and I am sure I will get some in response, but the Wifi debacle is old news - move on people !! This is a good idea in principle and yes lot's of unanswered questions but it is an idea being floated at the moment, let's not be so quick to dismiss it out of hand[/p][/quote]You have clearly never worked there. if it was a competitive business like the private sector it would have gone bust years ago. It only survives because we are forced by law to pay into it, they are the most inefficient complacent uncaring of the service they provide bunch I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Yes some of the ideas are great but you need good people to make it work and they don't have any as is proven time and again![/p][/quote]Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and, as a past employee, you obviously have an axe to grind there. Fair enough. I too have misgivings about some of the Council services. I have also have praise for some of them. I wouldn't label the whole system as rubbish. Neither would I label it fantastic. However, my post was centred around wi fi and the determination of select individuals (only a small handful) who were determined to see it fail.[/p][/quote]I don't really think the actions of "select individuals" is what caused the WiFi scheme to fail. More likely is that it failed because it was a pointless gamble of public money on providing a scheme that the big telecoms firms were in the process of or already providing for far less cost. Any kind of sensible due diligence would have stopped it in its tracks before it ever spent any of our money.[/p][/quote]I'm not going to get embroiled in any further conversations about this. My main point was, and is, that the wi fi issue is all very, very old, boring, news now and is tedious to the extreme when dragged into every conversation about the Council just to try and score some points. Sadly, with an election looming, it will no doubt be crow-barred into every topic by some of the posters on this site. madreeves
  • Score: -2

12:48am Wed 2 Apr 14

Eastern Badger says...

This is a complete vanity project. The 'A419 Solar Sound Barrier' project he quoted hasn't even consulted the affected parishes so nothing going on there that he can claim support for? If he wants to do this he should 'listen' as a new concept - Covingham residents aren't as keen as they were and I can't imagine anyone supporting his grimacing image aspiring to greater political elevation. He's not that good. For some reason he is gaining increasing local press support in the face of both public and wider contempt. Look at the comments and you will see how far the 'reporter' is from public comments. Not once has the Advertiser looked at the laughable East/West aspect of the A419 and questioned its viability of a vanity project.
This is a complete vanity project. The 'A419 Solar Sound Barrier' project he quoted hasn't even consulted the affected parishes so nothing going on there that he can claim support for? If he wants to do this he should 'listen' as a new concept - Covingham residents aren't as keen as they were and I can't imagine anyone supporting his grimacing image aspiring to greater political elevation. He's not that good. For some reason he is gaining increasing local press support in the face of both public and wider contempt. Look at the comments and you will see how far the 'reporter' is from public comments. Not once has the Advertiser looked at the laughable East/West aspect of the A419 and questioned its viability of a vanity project. Eastern Badger
  • Score: 2

9:45am Wed 2 Apr 14

stratton man says...

The publicity is not all bad.I cut out the pictures of Heenans gurning mug and stick them on canes in my allotment to scare the pidgeons away.
The publicity is not all bad.I cut out the pictures of Heenans gurning mug and stick them on canes in my allotment to scare the pidgeons away. stratton man
  • Score: 2

12:45pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Some people just don't like Dale because he has been elected and they haven't
Some people just don't like Dale because he has been elected and they haven't Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 0

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