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Swindon MPs give views on the Maria Miller case

LOCAL MPs have spoken out about the scandal over culture secretary Maria Miller’s fiddled expenses.

The MP for Basingstoke has seen a backlash on public opinion in the national media over questions about her expenses claims made by the Daily Telegraph in December 2012.

It was alleged that Mrs Miller assigned a £1.47m south London house as her second home, and claimed £90,718 in expenses over a four-year period towards mortgage payments, while she rented her first home in her constituency in Basingstoke, but rarely occupied it. This was then investigated by the parliamentary commissioner for standards, which concluded that Mrs Miller had over-claimed £45,000 in expenses, and recommended that she pay back the sum in full.

But the final decision was taken by the Commons Committee for Standards, made up of 10 MPs who have a vote and three lay members who do not, which determined that Mrs Miller should only pay back £5,800.

North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson levelled criticisms at the policy where MPs had the ultimate say in their own standards.

He said: “It is absolutely clear that MPs should not be in a position to be judge and jury on any expenses issue, which is why it is absolutely right to set up the independent parliamentary standards authority and to ban any MP from being able to profit from a second home.

“Thankfully we will never see a scenario like this again, which was not only the case with Maria Miller but also huge swathes of MPs of all parties from 2010.”

But South Swindon MP Robert Buckland, a member of the Commons Committee for Standards, said that the lay members of the standards committee ought to have more of an influence on ultimate decisions.

He said: “The Standards Committee now has lay members on it, which is extremely welcome and which is already generating further work on reviewing the committee’s role.

“Working with the commissioner, the committee has produced a number of reports that resulted in police investigations and successful prosecution of wrongdoers. “I think that lay members should and will play an increasingly important part in monitoring and enforcing standards in Parliament. “As someone who takes a keen interest in standards procedures locally and nationally, I will be doing my part to help improve things.”

A petition asking Mrs Miller to pay back the £45,000 to tax payers or resign has been launched.

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7:31am Wed 9 Apr 14

semitonic says...

The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.
The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory. semitonic
  • Score: -2

7:48am Wed 9 Apr 14

Hammer5 says...

North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson and South Swindon MP Robert Buckland you are both a DISGRACE!!! The woman has fiddled her expenses and should be dismissed immediately and a police investigation launched.
If you both cannot come out and say that you are both part of the problem and not the solution infact what concerns me is are people scared to speak out because they have something to hide!!!
North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson and South Swindon MP Robert Buckland you are both a DISGRACE!!! The woman has fiddled her expenses and should be dismissed immediately and a police investigation launched. If you both cannot come out and say that you are both part of the problem and not the solution infact what concerns me is are people scared to speak out because they have something to hide!!! Hammer5
  • Score: 17

7:59am Wed 9 Apr 14

Hammer5 says...

Maybe MP Justin Tomlinson and MP Robert Buckland should have there expenses investigated over the last 6 years because I have a gut feeling you are both sitting on the fence for a reason.
Maybe MP Justin Tomlinson and MP Robert Buckland should have there expenses investigated over the last 6 years because I have a gut feeling you are both sitting on the fence for a reason. Hammer5
  • Score: 4

8:15am Wed 9 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

If all the dishonest politicians resigned we wouldn't have any left! Hey what a good idea!!!!!
If all the dishonest politicians resigned we wouldn't have any left! Hey what a good idea!!!!! house on the hill
  • Score: 6

8:37am Wed 9 Apr 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Thomlinson for once is right, however he has stopped short of calling for a criminal investigation. If a member of the general public was ripping their employer off to that tune of money, they would be facing criminal charges.

Buckland, your attempt to justify MP's sitting in judgement on their colleagues is a disgrace; especially since so many have been caught ripping of the public purse. MP's cannot be trusted to police themselves.

Another thing that needs to be addressed is this leaving someone to resign rather than be sacked. Its endemic in the public sector as they tend to be able to keep a number of benefits including a rather handsome pension.
Thomlinson for once is right, however he has stopped short of calling for a criminal investigation. If a member of the general public was ripping their employer off to that tune of money, they would be facing criminal charges. Buckland, your attempt to justify MP's sitting in judgement on their colleagues is a disgrace; especially since so many have been caught ripping of the public purse. MP's cannot be trusted to police themselves. Another thing that needs to be addressed is this leaving someone to resign rather than be sacked. Its endemic in the public sector as they tend to be able to keep a number of benefits including a rather handsome pension. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 20

9:40am Wed 9 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

No surprise they don't slate this fiddling of tax payers money. Party line towing. All in it together eh?
No surprise they don't slate this fiddling of tax payers money. Party line towing. All in it together eh? Davey Gravey
  • Score: 2

9:52am Wed 9 Apr 14

stratton man says...

I think Tomlinson and Buckland deserve some credit for not defending the crook Maria Miller.This woman is toxic and revelled in getting her piggy snout in the trough.She claimed her main residence was her second home so we paid for it then told the inland revenue it was her main home to avoid paying capital gains tax making a million pounds profit.living the Tory dream.
I think Tomlinson and Buckland deserve some credit for not defending the crook Maria Miller.This woman is toxic and revelled in getting her piggy snout in the trough.She claimed her main residence was her second home so we paid for it then told the inland revenue it was her main home to avoid paying capital gains tax making a million pounds profit.living the Tory dream. stratton man
  • Score: 1

9:55am Wed 9 Apr 14

BCDR99 says...

http://www.corshampe
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2 years in jail for defrauding Swindon College out of £22k.

So, what does £90k fraud on MP expense system get...?
http://www.corshampe ople.co.uk/news/Payr oll-fraud-woman-jail ed-years/story-10082 203-detail/story.htm l 2 years in jail for defrauding Swindon College out of £22k. So, what does £90k fraud on MP expense system get...? BCDR99
  • Score: 3

10:32am Wed 9 Apr 14

Robh says...

She hasn't really fiddled anything just worked the system like many others MP's have done in the past, Some even jailed for it. I have no gripe with someone who works the system but the system should be changed preferably before the next election.
She hasn't really fiddled anything just worked the system like many others MP's have done in the past, Some even jailed for it. I have no gripe with someone who works the system but the system should be changed preferably before the next election. Robh
  • Score: -3

10:48am Wed 9 Apr 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Plenty on here stating this is a "Tory" problem. I'll just remind you that we've seen this issue already with politicians of all persuasion. This isn't just a tory issue but rather an "all politicians" issue. They're paid enough, they don't need expenses of any kind in my opinion.
Plenty on here stating this is a "Tory" problem. I'll just remind you that we've seen this issue already with politicians of all persuasion. This isn't just a tory issue but rather an "all politicians" issue. They're paid enough, they don't need expenses of any kind in my opinion. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 5

11:16am Wed 9 Apr 14

EmmBee says...

The Telegraph say that it was "the public that decided her fate". I'm certainly just fed up with the lot of them, and agree with The Artist above, whatever their colour they need a rocket up them. More prosecutions please!
The Telegraph say that it was "the public that decided her fate". I'm certainly just fed up with the lot of them, and agree with The Artist above, whatever their colour they need a rocket up them. More prosecutions please! EmmBee
  • Score: 3

11:30am Wed 9 Apr 14

beach1e says...

benefit cheats don't repay what they steal, they don't have to apologise, they carry on getting free money from taxpayers....this tory woman did wrong and she has finally done the right thing....cant wait for benefit thieves to be booted off benefits and have to repay every penny they steal...don't think that will ever happen somehow
benefit cheats don't repay what they steal, they don't have to apologise, they carry on getting free money from taxpayers....this tory woman did wrong and she has finally done the right thing....cant wait for benefit thieves to be booted off benefits and have to repay every penny they steal...don't think that will ever happen somehow beach1e
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Wed 9 Apr 14

trustnopolitician says...

How about a small local group (changed every year) of persons who have no political affiliation who could vet the local MP expenses - local knowledge would eliminate some of the scams.

Publish in details all expenses claimed - particularly those expenses which are claimed but ruled non eligible for repayment .

Do this on a stricly monthly basis.
How about a small local group (changed every year) of persons who have no political affiliation who could vet the local MP expenses - local knowledge would eliminate some of the scams. Publish in details all expenses claimed - particularly those expenses which are claimed but ruled non eligible for repayment . Do this on a stricly monthly basis. trustnopolitician
  • Score: 3

12:18pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Disappointed that neither of the Swindon MPs feel able to comment on a simple moral issue of right and wrong. This isn't a party political issue, and as part of the 2010 post-expenses scandal intake, they both should be blazing angry at Miller, because her actions (along with others from all sides of the political spectrum) are a cancer, eroding what little public trust there is in parliament.

So come on Justin and Robert, nice simple answers to some nice simple questions - is it morally wrong to game the system to maximise expenses?
Should the public expect the highest standards from it's elected representatives? Should those that break the trust of their voters expect any mercy?

Another question for Robert - you were on the committee that reduced the amount to be repaid. Why did you overturn an independent report?

My own take on this is that by not condemning Miller's reprehensible troughing, our local MPs are effectively condoning it. It saddens me that they have gone native, as I think the people of Swindon deserve better.
Disappointed that neither of the Swindon MPs feel able to comment on a simple moral issue of right and wrong. This isn't a party political issue, and as part of the 2010 post-expenses scandal intake, they both should be blazing angry at Miller, because her actions (along with others from all sides of the political spectrum) are a cancer, eroding what little public trust there is in parliament. So come on Justin and Robert, nice simple answers to some nice simple questions - is it morally wrong to game the system to maximise expenses? Should the public expect the highest standards from it's elected representatives? Should those that break the trust of their voters expect any mercy? Another question for Robert - you were on the committee that reduced the amount to be repaid. Why did you overturn an independent report? My own take on this is that by not condemning Miller's reprehensible troughing, our local MPs are effectively condoning it. It saddens me that they have gone native, as I think the people of Swindon deserve better. BeardyBill
  • Score: 7

12:22pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Plenty on here stating this is a "Tory" problem. I'll just remind you that we've seen this issue already with politicians of all persuasion. This isn't just a tory issue but rather an "all politicians" issue. They're paid enough, they don't need expenses of any kind in my opinion.
I can't see any comments on here that claim it's exclusively a Tory problem.... Is this the usual Tory deflection technique?
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Plenty on here stating this is a "Tory" problem. I'll just remind you that we've seen this issue already with politicians of all persuasion. This isn't just a tory issue but rather an "all politicians" issue. They're paid enough, they don't need expenses of any kind in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I can't see any comments on here that claim it's exclusively a Tory problem.... Is this the usual Tory deflection technique? BeardyBill
  • Score: -1

12:24pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Robh wrote:
She hasn't really fiddled anything just worked the system like many others MP's have done in the past, Some even jailed for it. I have no gripe with someone who works the system but the system should be changed preferably before the next election.
So it's OK to increase your mortgage on a house you already own, simply because you can claim the extra interest back? If that's your view on propriety in expense claiming, I'm glad you don't work for me!
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: She hasn't really fiddled anything just worked the system like many others MP's have done in the past, Some even jailed for it. I have no gripe with someone who works the system but the system should be changed preferably before the next election.[/p][/quote]So it's OK to increase your mortgage on a house you already own, simply because you can claim the extra interest back? If that's your view on propriety in expense claiming, I'm glad you don't work for me! BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

12:29pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

beach1e wrote:
benefit cheats don't repay what they steal, they don't have to apologise, they carry on getting free money from taxpayers....this tory woman did wrong and she has finally done the right thing....cant wait for benefit thieves to be booted off benefits and have to repay every penny they steal...don't think that will ever happen somehow
You really are an idiot....Benefits cheats get prosecuted, and with luck, should do jail time as well as repayment. Miller has resigned after repaying a token amount grudgingly.....her pay-off for leaving a ministerial job dwarfes the repayment, and she is still an MP, still claiming expenses - albeit not at the inflated rate she was.
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: benefit cheats don't repay what they steal, they don't have to apologise, they carry on getting free money from taxpayers....this tory woman did wrong and she has finally done the right thing....cant wait for benefit thieves to be booted off benefits and have to repay every penny they steal...don't think that will ever happen somehow[/p][/quote]You really are an idiot....Benefits cheats get prosecuted, and with luck, should do jail time as well as repayment. Miller has resigned after repaying a token amount grudgingly.....her pay-off for leaving a ministerial job dwarfes the repayment, and she is still an MP, still claiming expenses - albeit not at the inflated rate she was. BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

12:31pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

stratton man wrote:
I think Tomlinson and Buckland deserve some credit for not defending the crook Maria Miller.This woman is toxic and revelled in getting her piggy snout in the trough.She claimed her main residence was her second home so we paid for it then told the inland revenue it was her main home to avoid paying capital gains tax making a million pounds profit.living the Tory dream.
No, they would deserve credit for actively condemning her actions. As it is, they are sitting on the fence and mumbling a few platitudes about how the system is wrong, rather than the people who abuse it.
[quote][p][bold]stratton man[/bold] wrote: I think Tomlinson and Buckland deserve some credit for not defending the crook Maria Miller.This woman is toxic and revelled in getting her piggy snout in the trough.She claimed her main residence was her second home so we paid for it then told the inland revenue it was her main home to avoid paying capital gains tax making a million pounds profit.living the Tory dream.[/p][/quote]No, they would deserve credit for actively condemning her actions. As it is, they are sitting on the fence and mumbling a few platitudes about how the system is wrong, rather than the people who abuse it. BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

BeardyBill wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Plenty on here stating this is a "Tory" problem. I'll just remind you that we've seen this issue already with politicians of all persuasion. This isn't just a tory issue but rather an "all politicians" issue. They're paid enough, they don't need expenses of any kind in my opinion.
I can't see any comments on here that claim it's exclusively a Tory problem.... Is this the usual Tory deflection technique?
1,6 and 7.

Tory deflection technique - why on earth would I want to defend the Tories?
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Plenty on here stating this is a "Tory" problem. I'll just remind you that we've seen this issue already with politicians of all persuasion. This isn't just a tory issue but rather an "all politicians" issue. They're paid enough, they don't need expenses of any kind in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I can't see any comments on here that claim it's exclusively a Tory problem.... Is this the usual Tory deflection technique?[/p][/quote]1,6 and 7. Tory deflection technique - why on earth would I want to defend the Tories? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 3

12:45pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

BeardyBill wrote:
stratton man wrote:
I think Tomlinson and Buckland deserve some credit for not defending the crook Maria Miller.This woman is toxic and revelled in getting her piggy snout in the trough.She claimed her main residence was her second home so we paid for it then told the inland revenue it was her main home to avoid paying capital gains tax making a million pounds profit.living the Tory dream.
No, they would deserve credit for actively condemning her actions. As it is, they are sitting on the fence and mumbling a few platitudes about how the system is wrong, rather than the people who abuse it.
But the system IS wrong. Far better to focus on actually fixing the system for everyone than simply scoring a few cheap political snipes against a colleague for their own benefit IMHO, as that would be wrong too. That's the trouble with politics. Most people I know think this whole left vs. right petty childish squabbling is what turns people off politics and is ultimately detrimental to the country as a whole.
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stratton man[/bold] wrote: I think Tomlinson and Buckland deserve some credit for not defending the crook Maria Miller.This woman is toxic and revelled in getting her piggy snout in the trough.She claimed her main residence was her second home so we paid for it then told the inland revenue it was her main home to avoid paying capital gains tax making a million pounds profit.living the Tory dream.[/p][/quote]No, they would deserve credit for actively condemning her actions. As it is, they are sitting on the fence and mumbling a few platitudes about how the system is wrong, rather than the people who abuse it.[/p][/quote]But the system IS wrong. Far better to focus on actually fixing the system for everyone than simply scoring a few cheap political snipes against a colleague for their own benefit IMHO, as that would be wrong too. That's the trouble with politics. Most people I know think this whole left vs. right petty childish squabbling is what turns people off politics and is ultimately detrimental to the country as a whole. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 4

1:11pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

Keep fiddling with those thumbs Tory boys. Just like the the mps do with their expenses. Hahaha
Keep fiddling with those thumbs Tory boys. Just like the the mps do with their expenses. Hahaha Davey Gravey
  • Score: 1

1:16pm Wed 9 Apr 14

ChannelX says...

semitonic wrote:
The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.
Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.
[quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.[/p][/quote]Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs. ChannelX
  • Score: 5

1:44pm Wed 9 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

beach1e wrote:
benefit cheats don't repay what they steal, they don't have to apologise, they carry on getting free money from taxpayers....this tory woman did wrong and she has finally done the right thing....cant wait for benefit thieves to be booted off benefits and have to repay every penny they steal...don't think that will ever happen somehow
Whilst I completely agree with the sentiment, the reason most benefits cheats don't pay it back is because firstly they generally dont have any money which is why they are on benefits and secondly the admin costs of collecting far outweigh the money owed as with a lot of council debt. Sometimes as hard as it may seem we do need to look at the bigger picture.

But those who do have money should be fined to the hilt!
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: benefit cheats don't repay what they steal, they don't have to apologise, they carry on getting free money from taxpayers....this tory woman did wrong and she has finally done the right thing....cant wait for benefit thieves to be booted off benefits and have to repay every penny they steal...don't think that will ever happen somehow[/p][/quote]Whilst I completely agree with the sentiment, the reason most benefits cheats don't pay it back is because firstly they generally dont have any money which is why they are on benefits and secondly the admin costs of collecting far outweigh the money owed as with a lot of council debt. Sometimes as hard as it may seem we do need to look at the bigger picture. But those who do have money should be fined to the hilt! house on the hill
  • Score: 4

1:51pm Wed 9 Apr 14

stratton man says...

The Tories who went to jail had all been promoted to the House of Lords channelx.
The Tories who went to jail had all been promoted to the House of Lords channelx. stratton man
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Wed 9 Apr 14

EmmBee says...

ChannelX wrote:
semitonic wrote:
The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.
Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.
Thieves come in all colours. Lock a few more up. Make some examples. No-one should be above the law.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.[/p][/quote]Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.[/p][/quote]Thieves come in all colours. Lock a few more up. Make some examples. No-one should be above the law. EmmBee
  • Score: 2

5:03pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Plenty on here stating this is a "Tory" problem. I'll just remind you that we've seen this issue already with politicians of all persuasion. This isn't just a tory issue but rather an "all politicians" issue. They're paid enough, they don't need expenses of any kind in my opinion.
I can't see any comments on here that claim it's exclusively a Tory problem.... Is this the usual Tory deflection technique?
1,6 and 7.

Tory deflection technique - why on earth would I want to defend the Tories?
It was a general comment, not a personal criticism. Get back in your pram.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: Plenty on here stating this is a "Tory" problem. I'll just remind you that we've seen this issue already with politicians of all persuasion. This isn't just a tory issue but rather an "all politicians" issue. They're paid enough, they don't need expenses of any kind in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I can't see any comments on here that claim it's exclusively a Tory problem.... Is this the usual Tory deflection technique?[/p][/quote]1,6 and 7. Tory deflection technique - why on earth would I want to defend the Tories?[/p][/quote]It was a general comment, not a personal criticism. Get back in your pram. BeardyBill
  • Score: -1

5:12pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
stratton man wrote:
I think Tomlinson and Buckland deserve some credit for not defending the crook Maria Miller.This woman is toxic and revelled in getting her piggy snout in the trough.She claimed her main residence was her second home so we paid for it then told the inland revenue it was her main home to avoid paying capital gains tax making a million pounds profit.living the Tory dream.
No, they would deserve credit for actively condemning her actions. As it is, they are sitting on the fence and mumbling a few platitudes about how the system is wrong, rather than the people who abuse it.
But the system IS wrong. Far better to focus on actually fixing the system for everyone than simply scoring a few cheap political snipes against a colleague for their own benefit IMHO, as that would be wrong too. That's the trouble with politics. Most people I know think this whole left vs. right petty childish squabbling is what turns people off politics and is ultimately detrimental to the country as a whole.
Reform the system as much as you want, but without a change in the prevailing culture of Parliament, some people will go to extraordinary lengths to play the system. If there was a genuine culture of zero-tolerance, it would cut down abuse. Peer pressure is very powerful. At the minute the culture seems to be deny fiddling goes on, and when it's found out, don't attack the person concerned, make some weaselly statements blaming the system.

This isn't about cheap political points, it's about knowing the difference between right and wrong, and having the courage and leadership to speak out.

I'd like to see politicians of all flavours publicly declare that they will not tolerate colleagues who actively break either the letter or the spirit of the rules.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stratton man[/bold] wrote: I think Tomlinson and Buckland deserve some credit for not defending the crook Maria Miller.This woman is toxic and revelled in getting her piggy snout in the trough.She claimed her main residence was her second home so we paid for it then told the inland revenue it was her main home to avoid paying capital gains tax making a million pounds profit.living the Tory dream.[/p][/quote]No, they would deserve credit for actively condemning her actions. As it is, they are sitting on the fence and mumbling a few platitudes about how the system is wrong, rather than the people who abuse it.[/p][/quote]But the system IS wrong. Far better to focus on actually fixing the system for everyone than simply scoring a few cheap political snipes against a colleague for their own benefit IMHO, as that would be wrong too. That's the trouble with politics. Most people I know think this whole left vs. right petty childish squabbling is what turns people off politics and is ultimately detrimental to the country as a whole.[/p][/quote]Reform the system as much as you want, but without a change in the prevailing culture of Parliament, some people will go to extraordinary lengths to play the system. If there was a genuine culture of zero-tolerance, it would cut down abuse. Peer pressure is very powerful. At the minute the culture seems to be deny fiddling goes on, and when it's found out, don't attack the person concerned, make some weaselly statements blaming the system. This isn't about cheap political points, it's about knowing the difference between right and wrong, and having the courage and leadership to speak out. I'd like to see politicians of all flavours publicly declare that they will not tolerate colleagues who actively break either the letter or the spirit of the rules. BeardyBill
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

ChannelX wrote:
semitonic wrote:
The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.
Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.
And your point is what?
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.[/p][/quote]Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.[/p][/quote]And your point is what? BeardyBill
  • Score: -2

5:25pm Wed 9 Apr 14

ChannelX says...

BeardyBill wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
semitonic wrote:
The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.
Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.
And your point is what?
If you really can't work it out, there's little point attempting to explain it to you.
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.[/p][/quote]Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.[/p][/quote]And your point is what?[/p][/quote]If you really can't work it out, there's little point attempting to explain it to you. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

beach1e wrote:
benefit cheats don't repay what they steal, they don't have to apologise, they carry on getting free money from taxpayers....this tory woman did wrong and she has finally done the right thing....cant wait for benefit thieves to be booted off benefits and have to repay every penny they steal...don't think that will ever happen somehow
No for fraud you go to court and potentially to prison, someone else mentioned the lady who went to prison for committing fraud against Swindon college. Where is the legal system here?
If you rip off the system the law should apply to all but it doesnt does it.

What was the right thing she has done? resigned from an untenable position where she has committed fraud over the space of years. These actions she made knowingly.
Thousands of people cheat the benefit system which accounts for approx 35 million per year large scale fraud committed by our betters and companies was at over 300 million in 2012??? Where do you think the priority should be.

Her "apology" was to the house of commons not to anyone else and would not even accept that she had done anything wrong.
The arrogance of this disgusts me.

The articles has a quote of we will never see the likes of this again and that is probably correct as they will learn not to get caught.
I also presume you wouldnt want someone from the benefits system to be an MP???,,,you wouldnt because you would hold an MP to a higher standard?
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: benefit cheats don't repay what they steal, they don't have to apologise, they carry on getting free money from taxpayers....this tory woman did wrong and she has finally done the right thing....cant wait for benefit thieves to be booted off benefits and have to repay every penny they steal...don't think that will ever happen somehow[/p][/quote]No for fraud you go to court and potentially to prison, someone else mentioned the lady who went to prison for committing fraud against Swindon college. Where is the legal system here? If you rip off the system the law should apply to all but it doesnt does it. What was the right thing she has done? resigned from an untenable position where she has committed fraud over the space of years. These actions she made knowingly. Thousands of people cheat the benefit system which accounts for approx 35 million per year large scale fraud committed by our betters and companies was at over 300 million in 2012??? Where do you think the priority should be. Her "apology" was to the house of commons not to anyone else and would not even accept that she had done anything wrong. The arrogance of this disgusts me. The articles has a quote of we will never see the likes of this again and that is probably correct as they will learn not to get caught. I also presume you wouldnt want someone from the benefits system to be an MP???,,,you wouldnt because you would hold an MP to a higher standard? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Thomlinson for once is right, however he has stopped short of calling for a criminal investigation. If a member of the general public was ripping their employer off to that tune of money, they would be facing criminal charges.

Buckland, your attempt to justify MP's sitting in judgement on their colleagues is a disgrace; especially since so many have been caught ripping of the public purse. MP's cannot be trusted to police themselves.

Another thing that needs to be addressed is this leaving someone to resign rather than be sacked. Its endemic in the public sector as they tend to be able to keep a number of benefits including a rather handsome pension.
What other job would you get away with it?
Then be allowed to walk away from the job and still be allowed to collect your pension.
Cameron has even said he would like her to return in the future.....
Just another example of how if you are not in the elite club you may as well be scum.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: Thomlinson for once is right, however he has stopped short of calling for a criminal investigation. If a member of the general public was ripping their employer off to that tune of money, they would be facing criminal charges. Buckland, your attempt to justify MP's sitting in judgement on their colleagues is a disgrace; especially since so many have been caught ripping of the public purse. MP's cannot be trusted to police themselves. Another thing that needs to be addressed is this leaving someone to resign rather than be sacked. Its endemic in the public sector as they tend to be able to keep a number of benefits including a rather handsome pension.[/p][/quote]What other job would you get away with it? Then be allowed to walk away from the job and still be allowed to collect your pension. Cameron has even said he would like her to return in the future..... Just another example of how if you are not in the elite club you may as well be scum. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

5:36pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Thomlinson for once is right, however he has stopped short of calling for a criminal investigation. If a member of the general public was ripping their employer off to that tune of money, they would be facing criminal charges.

Buckland, your attempt to justify MP's sitting in judgement on their colleagues is a disgrace; especially since so many have been caught ripping of the public purse. MP's cannot be trusted to police themselves.

Another thing that needs to be addressed is this leaving someone to resign rather than be sacked. Its endemic in the public sector as they tend to be able to keep a number of benefits including a rather handsome pension.
What other job would you get away with it?
Then be allowed to walk away from the job and still be allowed to collect your pension.
Cameron has even said he would like her to return in the future.....
Just another example of how if you are not in the elite club you may as well be scum.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: Thomlinson for once is right, however he has stopped short of calling for a criminal investigation. If a member of the general public was ripping their employer off to that tune of money, they would be facing criminal charges. Buckland, your attempt to justify MP's sitting in judgement on their colleagues is a disgrace; especially since so many have been caught ripping of the public purse. MP's cannot be trusted to police themselves. Another thing that needs to be addressed is this leaving someone to resign rather than be sacked. Its endemic in the public sector as they tend to be able to keep a number of benefits including a rather handsome pension.[/p][/quote]What other job would you get away with it? Then be allowed to walk away from the job and still be allowed to collect your pension. Cameron has even said he would like her to return in the future..... Just another example of how if you are not in the elite club you may as well be scum. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

ChannelX wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
semitonic wrote:
The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.
Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.
And your point is what?
If you really can't work it out, there's little point attempting to explain it to you.
I can work it out...it would appear that you are a Tory supporter, and you are trying to say that your corrupt politicians are somehow "better" than corrupt Labour politicians, as they haven't done jail time That is possibly one of the most bizarre attitudes I have ever seen, which is saying something given the dark and manic ramblings in the adver's comments boards.

I can't engage in rational debate with you, so I'll resort to abuse. **** off.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.[/p][/quote]Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.[/p][/quote]And your point is what?[/p][/quote]If you really can't work it out, there's little point attempting to explain it to you.[/p][/quote]I can work it out...it would appear that you are a Tory supporter, and you are trying to say that your corrupt politicians are somehow "better" than corrupt Labour politicians, as they haven't done jail time That is possibly one of the most bizarre attitudes I have ever seen, which is saying something given the dark and manic ramblings in the adver's comments boards. I can't engage in rational debate with you, so I'll resort to abuse. **** off. BeardyBill
  • Score: -2

5:43pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

EmmBee wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
semitonic wrote:
The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.
Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.
Thieves come in all colours. Lock a few more up. Make some examples. No-one should be above the law.
But they are and they know it.
I wonder if I commit large scale fraud and then pay back 10% as long as I quit my job will I evade prison?

First offence and I can quote this case as reason not to prosecute me.
[quote][p][bold]EmmBee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.[/p][/quote]Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.[/p][/quote]Thieves come in all colours. Lock a few more up. Make some examples. No-one should be above the law.[/p][/quote]But they are and they know it. I wonder if I commit large scale fraud and then pay back 10% as long as I quit my job will I evade prison? First offence and I can quote this case as reason not to prosecute me. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

6:00pm Wed 9 Apr 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Thomlinson for once is right, however he has stopped short of calling for a criminal investigation. If a member of the general public was ripping their employer off to that tune of money, they would be facing criminal charges.

Buckland, your attempt to justify MP's sitting in judgement on their colleagues is a disgrace; especially since so many have been caught ripping of the public purse. MP's cannot be trusted to police themselves.

Another thing that needs to be addressed is this leaving someone to resign rather than be sacked. Its endemic in the public sector as they tend to be able to keep a number of benefits including a rather handsome pension.
What other job would you get away with it?
Then be allowed to walk away from the job and still be allowed to collect your pension.
Cameron has even said he would like her to return in the future.....
Just another example of how if you are not in the elite club you may as well be scum.
There are plenty of examples of councilor employees, police workers, NHS workers (usually near the top of the pecking order) and so on who resign before they get forced out, taking large severance pay and/or pensions with them.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: Thomlinson for once is right, however he has stopped short of calling for a criminal investigation. If a member of the general public was ripping their employer off to that tune of money, they would be facing criminal charges. Buckland, your attempt to justify MP's sitting in judgement on their colleagues is a disgrace; especially since so many have been caught ripping of the public purse. MP's cannot be trusted to police themselves. Another thing that needs to be addressed is this leaving someone to resign rather than be sacked. Its endemic in the public sector as they tend to be able to keep a number of benefits including a rather handsome pension.[/p][/quote]What other job would you get away with it? Then be allowed to walk away from the job and still be allowed to collect your pension. Cameron has even said he would like her to return in the future..... Just another example of how if you are not in the elite club you may as well be scum.[/p][/quote]There are plenty of examples of councilor employees, police workers, NHS workers (usually near the top of the pecking order) and so on who resign before they get forced out, taking large severance pay and/or pensions with them. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 0

6:01pm Wed 9 Apr 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
Thomlinson for once is right, however he has stopped short of calling for a criminal investigation. If a member of the general public was ripping their employer off to that tune of money, they would be facing criminal charges.

Buckland, your attempt to justify MP's sitting in judgement on their colleagues is a disgrace; especially since so many have been caught ripping of the public purse. MP's cannot be trusted to police themselves.

Another thing that needs to be addressed is this leaving someone to resign rather than be sacked. Its endemic in the public sector as they tend to be able to keep a number of benefits including a rather handsome pension.
What other job would you get away with it?
Then be allowed to walk away from the job and still be allowed to collect your pension.
Cameron has even said he would like her to return in the future.....
Just another example of how if you are not in the elite club you may as well be scum.
There are plenty of examples of councilor employees, police workers, NHS workers (usually near the top of the pecking order) and so on who resign before they get forced out, taking large severance pay and/or pensions with them.
I should add that the private sector is just as bad, but at least that isn't taxpayers money.
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: Thomlinson for once is right, however he has stopped short of calling for a criminal investigation. If a member of the general public was ripping their employer off to that tune of money, they would be facing criminal charges. Buckland, your attempt to justify MP's sitting in judgement on their colleagues is a disgrace; especially since so many have been caught ripping of the public purse. MP's cannot be trusted to police themselves. Another thing that needs to be addressed is this leaving someone to resign rather than be sacked. Its endemic in the public sector as they tend to be able to keep a number of benefits including a rather handsome pension.[/p][/quote]What other job would you get away with it? Then be allowed to walk away from the job and still be allowed to collect your pension. Cameron has even said he would like her to return in the future..... Just another example of how if you are not in the elite club you may as well be scum.[/p][/quote]There are plenty of examples of councilor employees, police workers, NHS workers (usually near the top of the pecking order) and so on who resign before they get forced out, taking large severance pay and/or pensions with them.[/p][/quote]I should add that the private sector is just as bad, but at least that isn't taxpayers money. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 0

6:47pm Wed 9 Apr 14

blogvlogjog says...

It appears she made a clear business,profit based decision for her interest on her 2nd home to get paid by her expense account and sell the home when the price went up and not pay capital gains because she then flipped
homes.Make you're own mind up.
It appears she made a clear business,profit based decision for her interest on her 2nd home to get paid by her expense account and sell the home when the price went up and not pay capital gains because she then flipped homes.Make you're own mind up. blogvlogjog
  • Score: 0

9:13pm Wed 9 Apr 14

timt1964 says...

now theyve sacked someone for tweeting "about time".what a petty world we now live in.he should be applauded for saying what everyone else is thinking.
now theyve sacked someone for tweeting "about time".what a petty world we now live in.he should be applauded for saying what everyone else is thinking. timt1964
  • Score: 2

12:40pm Thu 10 Apr 14

ChannelX says...

BeardyBill wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
semitonic wrote:
The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.
Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.
And your point is what?
If you really can't work it out, there's little point attempting to explain it to you.
I can work it out...it would appear that you are a Tory supporter, and you are trying to say that your corrupt politicians are somehow "better" than corrupt Labour politicians, as they haven't done jail time That is possibly one of the most bizarre attitudes I have ever seen, which is saying something given the dark and manic ramblings in the adver's comments boards.

I can't engage in rational debate with you, so I'll resort to abuse. **** off.
Typical Labour type.
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.[/p][/quote]Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.[/p][/quote]And your point is what?[/p][/quote]If you really can't work it out, there's little point attempting to explain it to you.[/p][/quote]I can work it out...it would appear that you are a Tory supporter, and you are trying to say that your corrupt politicians are somehow "better" than corrupt Labour politicians, as they haven't done jail time That is possibly one of the most bizarre attitudes I have ever seen, which is saying something given the dark and manic ramblings in the adver's comments boards. I can't engage in rational debate with you, so I'll resort to abuse. **** off.[/p][/quote]Typical Labour type. ChannelX
  • Score: -1

1:45pm Thu 10 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

ChannelX wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
semitonic wrote:
The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.
Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.
And your point is what?
If you really can't work it out, there's little point attempting to explain it to you.
I can work it out...it would appear that you are a Tory supporter, and you are trying to say that your corrupt politicians are somehow "better" than corrupt Labour politicians, as they haven't done jail time That is possibly one of the most bizarre attitudes I have ever seen, which is saying something given the dark and manic ramblings in the adver's comments boards.

I can't engage in rational debate with you, so I'll resort to abuse. **** off.
Typical Labour type.
@ Channel X - as I said, you are incapable of making a rational argument, relying instead on your assumptions which are invariably wrong. You really are a waste of oxygen. Why don't you start exercising your brain before letting your fingers type, or is that beyond your capabilities. W**ker.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]semitonic[/bold] wrote: The arrogance of this woman just so.... Tory.[/p][/quote]Although, so far, the only MPs to have gone to jail for expenses related crimes are all... Labour MPs.[/p][/quote]And your point is what?[/p][/quote]If you really can't work it out, there's little point attempting to explain it to you.[/p][/quote]I can work it out...it would appear that you are a Tory supporter, and you are trying to say that your corrupt politicians are somehow "better" than corrupt Labour politicians, as they haven't done jail time That is possibly one of the most bizarre attitudes I have ever seen, which is saying something given the dark and manic ramblings in the adver's comments boards. I can't engage in rational debate with you, so I'll resort to abuse. **** off.[/p][/quote]Typical Labour type.[/p][/quote]@ Channel X - as I said, you are incapable of making a rational argument, relying instead on your assumptions which are invariably wrong. You really are a waste of oxygen. Why don't you start exercising your brain before letting your fingers type, or is that beyond your capabilities. W**ker. BeardyBill
  • Score: -1

1:22am Fri 11 Apr 14

AnotherRespondent says...

I have to agree with Beardy Bill. There are some real idiots here. Don't these people have a council to run or are they letting Capita do everything now?
I have to agree with Beardy Bill. There are some real idiots here. Don't these people have a council to run or are they letting Capita do everything now? AnotherRespondent
  • Score: 0

2:18am Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

AnotherRespondent wrote:
I have to agree with Beardy Bill. There are some real idiots here. Don't these people have a council to run or are they letting Capita do everything now?
Am I reading this right, are you saying Channel X is a councillor? If this is true, I'm almost lost for words...why would a ward elect any representative who is incapable of stringing a reasonable, rational argument together? What a complete waste of eight grand allowances. This is a joke right? Don't destroy my faith in the democratic system...
[quote][p][bold]AnotherRespondent[/bold] wrote: I have to agree with Beardy Bill. There are some real idiots here. Don't these people have a council to run or are they letting Capita do everything now?[/p][/quote]Am I reading this right, are you saying Channel X is a councillor? If this is true, I'm almost lost for words...why would a ward elect any representative who is incapable of stringing a reasonable, rational argument together? What a complete waste of eight grand allowances. This is a joke right? Don't destroy my faith in the democratic system... BeardyBill
  • Score: 0

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