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Mayor says sorry for using offensive word

Swindon Advertiser: Mayor Nick Martin Mayor Nick Martin

THE Mayor of Swindon Nick Martin has apologised for using an offensive term about disabled people and also said he is considering standing down.

A formal complaint was made last year after Councillor Martin (Con, Shaw) said: “They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?”

On Wednesday night an assessment panel agreed with the report of an independent investigator and found the mayor had breached the Members’ Code of Conduct.

He was ordered to issue an unreserved apology as well as attend a training course. After hearing the decision Coun Martin said he accepted the outcome.

“I have apologised for using a word I shouldn’t have,” he said.

“I will publicly apologise as I have been asked to and I will continue to apologise. I don’t know how many more times I can say it but I will continue to do so.

“I used a word I shouldn’t have and I am sorry. It was a word used when I was growing up but I accept it was wrong. There are only so many ways I can re-word an apology but I will do so.”

Coun Martin, who has just over a month of his tenure to run, has also said he is considering his position as mayor but not over any comments he has made.

Instead, Coun Martin is thinking of standing down as mayor so he can help with campaigning in the upcoming local elections.

He said: “As mayor I have met some wonderful people and had fantastic support from people. However, I am not allowed to campaign on behalf of a party which is something I enjoy.

“The council’s Director of Law has said I can’t so it is something I have to think about.

“I am considering my future as a mayor but if I do stand down it will be to campaign rather than over another issue.”

The offending comment has attracted condemnation from senior MPs, including Eric Pickles and Harriet Harman in recent months, and in December he survived a vote of no-confidence.

Labour Group leader Coun Jim Grant (Lab, Rodbourne Cheney) said while the apology is a positive move it is not enough.

He said: “I welcome the fact that the mayor has finally acknowledged he used this offensive language and that he has publicly apologised. However, it is very disappointing that the mayor originally denied using these words which has led to an investigation taking place at a cost of thousands of pounds to the taxpayer.

“The fact that this word was used when the mayor grew up is irrelevant, the fact is that using this word is offensive to people with learning disabilities and doesn’t befit the language that should be used by the mayor of this town.

“With the Standards Panel and investigator now finding the mayor to have used this offensive word, it is now time for the mayor to resign and stand down.”

The mayor has also been asked to apologise to Coun Junab Ali (Lab, Central) after not allowing him into the Mayor’s Chamber during a formal visit and in 2012 he was asked to write a letter of apology to a council officer after offending her.

The group Better Swindon, which is pushing for the council to be made more accountable, said the time has come for Coun Martin to step down as mayor. Spokeswoman Carole Bent said: “It seems that repeating apologies makes little difference to Coun Martin’s attitude or approach. Our town deserves better.”

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7:10am Fri 11 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

Not good enough, should be sacked now and not given the chance to leave on his terms. He represents Swindon and is that what we want to show the world we are about? We are already the butt of endless jokes and now we just have another one!
Not good enough, should be sacked now and not given the chance to leave on his terms. He represents Swindon and is that what we want to show the world we are about? We are already the butt of endless jokes and now we just have another one! house on the hill
  • Score: 27

7:58am Fri 11 Apr 14

Al Smith says...

house on the hill wrote:
Not good enough, should be sacked now and not given the chance to leave on his terms. He represents Swindon and is that what we want to show the world we are about? We are already the butt of endless jokes and now we just have another one!
Exactly, it's bad enough when the antics of our residents makes the national newspapers, but to have similar antics from the highest rank of office in the council is another. Instead of clinging on to power he should have done the honourable thing and resigned (but then again he's a politician)!
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Not good enough, should be sacked now and not given the chance to leave on his terms. He represents Swindon and is that what we want to show the world we are about? We are already the butt of endless jokes and now we just have another one![/p][/quote]Exactly, it's bad enough when the antics of our residents makes the national newspapers, but to have similar antics from the highest rank of office in the council is another. Instead of clinging on to power he should have done the honourable thing and resigned (but then again he's a politician)! Al Smith
  • Score: 27

7:59am Fri 11 Apr 14

Always Grumpy says...

Too little and far to late.
Why is this obnoxious and vile little man still mayor?
Too little and far to late. Why is this obnoxious and vile little man still mayor? Always Grumpy
  • Score: 35

8:45am Fri 11 Apr 14

ChannelX says...

It's always a bit suspicious when people take such apparent huge offence on behalf of others.

It's also amusing when people bemoan the current state of this country where 'nobody's allowed to say anything anymore' - and then exacerbate that problem when they think they have something to gain from doing so.

He used a WORD, not even a particularly offensive one, and has apologised. Get over it.

Swindon deserves better than Better Swindon.
It's always a bit suspicious when people take such apparent huge offence on behalf of others. It's also amusing when people bemoan the current state of this country where 'nobody's allowed to say anything anymore' - and then exacerbate that problem when they think they have something to gain from doing so. He used a WORD, not even a particularly offensive one, and has apologised. Get over it. Swindon deserves better than Better Swindon. ChannelX
  • Score: -35

8:56am Fri 11 Apr 14

Tramadolt says...

Many of us heard him claiming that he 'couldn't remember' the words he used when interviewed on the radio. In other interviews, it appeared to me to be attempting to imply that the complaints about what he 'might' have said were politically motivated. Then he let months elapse without an apology. Now he's been forced to recognise what he did and said. In my view it shows he is completely without honour. And yet he continues to represent the entire town and its values as a civic figurehead. Its utterly ridiculous and a yet another example, if any were needed, of how low Swindon's self esteem has sunk that he continues in the role. I hope there's another motion of no confidence, and this time the result is unambiguous (as the last time, the Mayor himself had a vote!)
Many of us heard him claiming that he 'couldn't remember' the words he used when interviewed on the radio. In other interviews, it appeared to me to be attempting to imply that the complaints about what he 'might' have said were politically motivated. Then he let months elapse without an apology. Now he's been forced to recognise what he did and said. In my view it shows he is completely without honour. And yet he continues to represent the entire town and its values as a civic figurehead. Its utterly ridiculous and a yet another example, if any were needed, of how low Swindon's self esteem has sunk that he continues in the role. I hope there's another motion of no confidence, and this time the result is unambiguous (as the last time, the Mayor himself had a vote!) Tramadolt
  • Score: 35

9:04am Fri 11 Apr 14

adsinibiza says...

Anyone deserves a chance but this isn't the first time Nick Martin has crossed the line. Time for him to go
Anyone deserves a chance but this isn't the first time Nick Martin has crossed the line. Time for him to go adsinibiza
  • Score: 34

9:23am Fri 11 Apr 14

Tramadolt says...

ChannelIX, if he'd made an unambiguous apology nine months ago when this whole affair first blew up, I'd have some sympathy for your point. However, Nick Martin appeared to put himself before the town and its reputation. He also put himself before his party. I think this whole affair shows that he is a man of very questionable judgement, unsuitable for a role in which he represents the civic pride of the entire town, one which includes people with disabilities or learning difficulties. He seems to me to have tried and failed to hide from words he could and should have apologised for right after he'd said them. We all make mistakes, but to me, what defines us is the way we deal with them.
ChannelIX, if he'd made an unambiguous apology nine months ago when this whole affair first blew up, I'd have some sympathy for your point. However, Nick Martin appeared to put himself before the town and its reputation. He also put himself before his party. I think this whole affair shows that he is a man of very questionable judgement, unsuitable for a role in which he represents the civic pride of the entire town, one which includes people with disabilities or learning difficulties. He seems to me to have tried and failed to hide from words he could and should have apologised for right after he'd said them. We all make mistakes, but to me, what defines us is the way we deal with them. Tramadolt
  • Score: 25

9:42am Fri 11 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

He should have quit with a grovelling apology months ago. Shame on those who knew full well what he said and didn't do the right thing. Vote them out as they are a disgrace. Yet another embarrassment to the town
He should have quit with a grovelling apology months ago. Shame on those who knew full well what he said and didn't do the right thing. Vote them out as they are a disgrace. Yet another embarrassment to the town Davey Gravey
  • Score: 27

9:45am Fri 11 Apr 14

Wildwestener says...

His apology makes Maria Miller's look grovelling. This odious man needs to stand down as a Councillor, never mind just as Mayor to retain any shred of dignity. He is a complete disgrace to his town and to the office he holds and to the party he represents. If he doesn't, the Tories should take away his whip as he is making them all look bad.
Oh and I'm not a Labour voter, I'm just someone who doesn't want people representing me and my town who hold such disgusting views on some of our fellow citizens. You do wonder sometimes what it would take to make some of these people feel any shame.
His apology makes Maria Miller's look grovelling. This odious man needs to stand down as a Councillor, never mind just as Mayor to retain any shred of dignity. He is a complete disgrace to his town and to the office he holds and to the party he represents. If he doesn't, the Tories should take away his whip as he is making them all look bad. Oh and I'm not a Labour voter, I'm just someone who doesn't want people representing me and my town who hold such disgusting views on some of our fellow citizens. You do wonder sometimes what it would take to make some of these people feel any shame. Wildwestener
  • Score: 31

9:52am Fri 11 Apr 14

stratton man says...

This disgusting creature should be thrown out by the Tories.He calls people with learning difficulties mongols and when reported for doing so accuses those who report him of lying and doing it out of political malice.His track record of unacceptable behaviour makes him unfit to represent Swindon at any level.If he refuses to resign then for the sake of the town he must be sacked.
This disgusting creature should be thrown out by the Tories.He calls people with learning difficulties mongols and when reported for doing so accuses those who report him of lying and doing it out of political malice.His track record of unacceptable behaviour makes him unfit to represent Swindon at any level.If he refuses to resign then for the sake of the town he must be sacked. stratton man
  • Score: 32

10:16am Fri 11 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

channelx he is a disgrace as was the councillor who was effing and blinding at the meeting last week, but did the mayor or anybody else complain, no, better swindon is right to hound out you misfits.. and put away the ipads at meetings..
channelx he is a disgrace as was the councillor who was effing and blinding at the meeting last week, but did the mayor or anybody else complain, no, better swindon is right to hound out you misfits.. and put away the ipads at meetings.. FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 22

10:18am Fri 11 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

and remember from day one, he said he didnt say any such thing, or ask that councillor to leave his room. he is a disgrace and so are you channelx for standing up for him..
and remember from day one, he said he didnt say any such thing, or ask that councillor to leave his room. he is a disgrace and so are you channelx for standing up for him.. FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 26

10:21am Fri 11 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

According to claims made on this website previously that CHANNELx is a Tory councilor, his comment above comes of no surprise.
According to claims made on this website previously that CHANNELx is a Tory councilor, his comment above comes of no surprise. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 17

10:34am Fri 11 Apr 14

chriggle says...

As a physically disabled person, I take issue with the whole sentence. Its not just the word that is offencive. In effect, he is implying that disabled people shouldn't have sex. This is a very private part of life, one not to be ridiculed in public, let alone by a very public figure. No-one has the right to say these things to a disabled person, whether physicality or mentally disabled.
I can't comment on his previous behaviour, but the "punishment" for this crime seems rather too lenient. He should have apologised months ago, and should have stood down. In this day and age, any comments like this are socially unacceptable. So what if its been acceptable in the past, it certainly isn't now. And as for him considering his position, he only has month left. He must have known about the limitations imposed on the mayor politically before accepting the role. If it bothers him so much, he knows where the door is!
As a physically disabled person, I take issue with the whole sentence. Its not just the word that is offencive. In effect, he is implying that disabled people shouldn't have sex. This is a very private part of life, one not to be ridiculed in public, let alone by a very public figure. No-one has the right to say these things to a disabled person, whether physicality or mentally disabled. I can't comment on his previous behaviour, but the "punishment" for this crime seems rather too lenient. He should have apologised months ago, and should have stood down. In this day and age, any comments like this are socially unacceptable. So what if its been acceptable in the past, it certainly isn't now. And as for him considering his position, he only has month left. He must have known about the limitations imposed on the mayor politically before accepting the role. If it bothers him so much, he knows where the door is! chriggle
  • Score: 32

10:35am Fri 11 Apr 14

Spurs Fan says...

It is really good to see the vast majority of posters on this site condemning Mayor Martin. Why he felt he had to comment on the private lives of his fellow constituents in the first place is beyond comprehension. Why he felt the need to use such derogatory language about people with learning difficulties is another. It is no good saying this language was acceptable when he was growing up. He is a grown man with a responsibility to all the people of this town no matter their race, creed or ability. Mayor Martin has a proven track record of inappropriate behaviour towards women and now people with LD. He should not resign he should be sacked by his own party, not just from the role of mayor but also from the party. Do the people of Swindon want this man to be the figure head of the town when he behaves in such a reprehensible way? Sack him now.
It is really good to see the vast majority of posters on this site condemning Mayor Martin. Why he felt he had to comment on the private lives of his fellow constituents in the first place is beyond comprehension. Why he felt the need to use such derogatory language about people with learning difficulties is another. It is no good saying this language was acceptable when he was growing up. He is a grown man with a responsibility to all the people of this town no matter their race, creed or ability. Mayor Martin has a proven track record of inappropriate behaviour towards women and now people with LD. He should not resign he should be sacked by his own party, not just from the role of mayor but also from the party. Do the people of Swindon want this man to be the figure head of the town when he behaves in such a reprehensible way? Sack him now. Spurs Fan
  • Score: 28

11:22am Fri 11 Apr 14

House with no name says...

I cannot help but feel the Labour accusers have also come out of this fiasco with absolutely no credit using it for political point scoring instead of getting on and serving the community.
I cannot help but feel the Labour accusers have also come out of this fiasco with absolutely no credit using it for political point scoring instead of getting on and serving the community. House with no name
  • Score: -15

11:35am Fri 11 Apr 14

Spurs Fan says...

House with no name, are you sure Labour accusers? The man said what he said, there is no accusation, he is now admitting it albeit after 9 months. This has nothing to do with point scoring the man is a boorish bigot, with a track record of offending women and now the disabled. His party should distance itself from the liability that is Cllr Martin.
House with no name, are you sure Labour accusers? The man said what he said, there is no accusation, he is now admitting it albeit after 9 months. This has nothing to do with point scoring the man is a boorish bigot, with a track record of offending women and now the disabled. His party should distance itself from the liability that is Cllr Martin. Spurs Fan
  • Score: 17

12:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Wildwestener says...

House with no name wrote:
I cannot help but feel the Labour accusers have also come out of this fiasco with absolutely no credit using it for political point scoring instead of getting on and serving the community.
Perhaps pointing out that our Mayor has disgusting views on some members of our community is "serving the community". This sort of BS should always be stood up to and I commend those who didn't let him get away with it.

And as I've said, I'm no Labour voter.
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: I cannot help but feel the Labour accusers have also come out of this fiasco with absolutely no credit using it for political point scoring instead of getting on and serving the community.[/p][/quote]Perhaps pointing out that our Mayor has disgusting views on some members of our community is "serving the community". This sort of BS should always be stood up to and I commend those who didn't let him get away with it. And as I've said, I'm no Labour voter. Wildwestener
  • Score: 16

12:27pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

If it was a labour councilor and mayor then people would be equally appalled. It has nothing to do with the party he represents. That doesn't get away from the fact that other Tory members didn't speak out when they could have. They have made a big mistake in not condemning him(no pun intended) and getting shot of him though. Party line towing will backfire I'm sure in this instance.
If it was a labour councilor and mayor then people would be equally appalled. It has nothing to do with the party he represents. That doesn't get away from the fact that other Tory members didn't speak out when they could have. They have made a big mistake in not condemning him(no pun intended) and getting shot of him though. Party line towing will backfire I'm sure in this instance. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 15

12:33pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
If it was a labour councilor and mayor then people would be equally appalled. It has nothing to do with the party he represents. That doesn't get away from the fact that other Tory members didn't speak out when they could have. They have made a big mistake in not condemning him(no pun intended) and getting shot of him though. Party line towing will backfire I'm sure in this instance.
Are you sure? There was a Labour councillor found guilty of a criminal charge of assault a few weeks ago and the usual suspects on here quickly posted that it was her victim that was at fault.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: If it was a labour councilor and mayor then people would be equally appalled. It has nothing to do with the party he represents. That doesn't get away from the fact that other Tory members didn't speak out when they could have. They have made a big mistake in not condemning him(no pun intended) and getting shot of him though. Party line towing will backfire I'm sure in this instance.[/p][/quote]Are you sure? There was a Labour councillor found guilty of a criminal charge of assault a few weeks ago and the usual suspects on here quickly posted that it was her victim that was at fault. ChannelX
  • Score: -18

12:48pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Spurs Fan says...

ChannelX two wrongs do not make a right. This has nothing to do with Labour Councillors or other criminal charges etc. The mayor has a proven track record of offensive behaviour. He should resign or be sacked by his party. He is not , I would argues, a person who is fit to hold the office of mayor in the 21st century. He is supposed to represent everyone in Swindon no matter their politics, gender, race, religion, or ability. It appears he cannot do so without being offensive so he should go!
ChannelX two wrongs do not make a right. This has nothing to do with Labour Councillors or other criminal charges etc. The mayor has a proven track record of offensive behaviour. He should resign or be sacked by his party. He is not , I would argues, a person who is fit to hold the office of mayor in the 21st century. He is supposed to represent everyone in Swindon no matter their politics, gender, race, religion, or ability. It appears he cannot do so without being offensive so he should go! Spurs Fan
  • Score: 16

1:03pm Fri 11 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

good old channelx didnt say anthing when his colleague was effing and blinding at the council meeting., and his other lady colleague objected as a labour man had said the word bloody. hypocrites one and all..
good old channelx didnt say anthing when his colleague was effing and blinding at the council meeting., and his other lady colleague objected as a labour man had said the word bloody. hypocrites one and all.. FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 13

1:14pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
If it was a labour councilor and mayor then people would be equally appalled. It has nothing to do with the party he represents. That doesn't get away from the fact that other Tory members didn't speak out when they could have. They have made a big mistake in not condemning him(no pun intended) and getting shot of him though. Party line towing will backfire I'm sure in this instance.
Are you sure? There was a Labour councillor found guilty of a criminal charge of assault a few weeks ago and the usual suspects on here quickly posted that it was her victim that was at fault.
Because it was a totally different incident. A pathetic one too.
Keep digging councilor, roll on May.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: If it was a labour councilor and mayor then people would be equally appalled. It has nothing to do with the party he represents. That doesn't get away from the fact that other Tory members didn't speak out when they could have. They have made a big mistake in not condemning him(no pun intended) and getting shot of him though. Party line towing will backfire I'm sure in this instance.[/p][/quote]Are you sure? There was a Labour councillor found guilty of a criminal charge of assault a few weeks ago and the usual suspects on here quickly posted that it was her victim that was at fault.[/p][/quote]Because it was a totally different incident. A pathetic one too. Keep digging councilor, roll on May. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 11

1:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
If it was a labour councilor and mayor then people would be equally appalled. It has nothing to do with the party he represents. That doesn't get away from the fact that other Tory members didn't speak out when they could have. They have made a big mistake in not condemning him(no pun intended) and getting shot of him though. Party line towing will backfire I'm sure in this instance.
Are you sure? There was a Labour councillor found guilty of a criminal charge of assault a few weeks ago and the usual suspects on here quickly posted that it was her victim that was at fault.
Are you sure...... I thought they were Tory.
http://www.swindonad
vertiser.co.uk/news/
11095409.Woman_accus
ed_of_assaulting_for
mer_mayor/

There was a follow up article clarify what she pleaded guilty too.
http://www.swindonad
vertiser.co.uk/news/
news_bites/11133195.
CLARIFICATION__March
_22/

Unless your thinking of a different incident.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: If it was a labour councilor and mayor then people would be equally appalled. It has nothing to do with the party he represents. That doesn't get away from the fact that other Tory members didn't speak out when they could have. They have made a big mistake in not condemning him(no pun intended) and getting shot of him though. Party line towing will backfire I'm sure in this instance.[/p][/quote]Are you sure? There was a Labour councillor found guilty of a criminal charge of assault a few weeks ago and the usual suspects on here quickly posted that it was her victim that was at fault.[/p][/quote]Are you sure...... I thought they were Tory. http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/news/ 11095409.Woman_accus ed_of_assaulting_for mer_mayor/ There was a follow up article clarify what she pleaded guilty too. http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/news/ news_bites/11133195. CLARIFICATION__March _22/ Unless your thinking of a different incident. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 12

1:42pm Fri 11 Apr 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Now that the panel has reported, it is pretty clear that the Mayor's position is untenable as both Mayor and a councillor. The mayor has repeatedly played down what happened and what he said. It is unacceptable to suddenly change that story because you've been caught out.

Another question has to be why it took so long for the panel to report.
Now that the panel has reported, it is pretty clear that the Mayor's position is untenable as both Mayor and a councillor. The mayor has repeatedly played down what happened and what he said. It is unacceptable to suddenly change that story because you've been caught out. Another question has to be why it took so long for the panel to report. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 16

2:00pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ChannelX says...

Spurs Fan wrote:
ChannelX two wrongs do not make a right. This has nothing to do with Labour Councillors or other criminal charges etc. The mayor has a proven track record of offensive behaviour. He should resign or be sacked by his party. He is not , I would argues, a person who is fit to hold the office of mayor in the 21st century. He is supposed to represent everyone in Swindon no matter their politics, gender, race, religion, or ability. It appears he cannot do so without being offensive so he should go!
I didn't say anything made anything else 'right', or not.

I simply pointed out that when the usual Labour apologists pretend they would have 'said the same' had it been a Labour mayor who used such language, they're demonstrably lying.

As I said, they not only tried to excuse a Labour councillor from all blame, despite her being found guilty of a criminal charge (which the mayor has not), they also then had a go at the person who was the victim of the assault.

Which would be a bit like somebody saying, 'The mayor didn't do anything wrong, those how complained about it should toughen up a bit'.

Frankly, I'd rather a person came out with what they think than tried to lie and dress up their views with all sorts of politically correct hypocrisy.
[quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: ChannelX two wrongs do not make a right. This has nothing to do with Labour Councillors or other criminal charges etc. The mayor has a proven track record of offensive behaviour. He should resign or be sacked by his party. He is not , I would argues, a person who is fit to hold the office of mayor in the 21st century. He is supposed to represent everyone in Swindon no matter their politics, gender, race, religion, or ability. It appears he cannot do so without being offensive so he should go![/p][/quote]I didn't say anything made anything else 'right', or not. I simply pointed out that when the usual Labour apologists pretend they would have 'said the same' had it been a Labour mayor who used such language, they're demonstrably lying. As I said, they not only tried to excuse a Labour councillor from all blame, despite her being found guilty of a criminal charge (which the mayor has not), they also then had a go at the person who was the victim of the assault. Which would be a bit like somebody saying, 'The mayor didn't do anything wrong, those how complained about it should toughen up a bit'. Frankly, I'd rather a person came out with what they think than tried to lie and dress up their views with all sorts of politically correct hypocrisy. ChannelX
  • Score: -18

2:50pm Fri 11 Apr 14

trolley dolley says...

For goodness sake people, the Standards Committee have told Cllr Martin to apologise and he has done so.

They have said he must do some training which I am sure he will do.

Whilst I agree that the words used were not acceptable I have to ask the question, "were they said to humiliate or degrade anyone or were they just unguarded comment".?

People are still trying to milk this for Political gain.

If Cllr Martin does as the Standards Committee require then the media and others should leave it at that.

Move on.
For goodness sake people, the Standards Committee have told Cllr Martin to apologise and he has done so. They have said he must do some training which I am sure he will do. Whilst I agree that the words used were not acceptable I have to ask the question, "were they said to humiliate or degrade anyone or were they just unguarded comment".? People are still trying to milk this for Political gain. If Cllr Martin does as the Standards Committee require then the media and others should leave it at that. Move on. trolley dolley
  • Score: -27

3:40pm Fri 11 Apr 14

House with no name says...

Amazing how many people want to make personal comment without knowing all the facts and not just what they want to hear - Yes of course this matter was originally raised by a certain Labour Councillor for the purpose of mischief making which he has succeeded in doing and at the same time degrading the role of Mayor - who himself could/should have handled it differently - but Labour Councillors wanted to bring down the
Mayor and the Conservative majority - Sheer political point scoring.

So the Mayor used a term to describe a certain class of person which was in common use during his formative years - so what, gets a life and move on.

What is the word / term he should have used anyway?

How many other words have been erased from common usage just because a small minority want a new words to describe various types of minorities - What is the the term for 88 in Bingo now I wonder ?
Amazing how many people want to make personal comment without knowing all the facts and not just what they want to hear - Yes of course this matter was originally raised by a certain Labour Councillor for the purpose of mischief making which he has succeeded in doing and at the same time degrading the role of Mayor - who himself could/should have handled it differently - but Labour Councillors wanted to bring down the Mayor and the Conservative majority - Sheer political point scoring. So the Mayor used a term to describe a certain class of person which was in common use during his formative years - so what, gets a life and move on. What is the word / term he should have used anyway? How many other words have been erased from common usage just because a small minority want a new words to describe various types of minorities - What is the the term for 88 in Bingo now I wonder ? House with no name
  • Score: -20

4:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

stratton man says...

Channelx the assault you refer to was a despute between two Tory Councillors as you well know.The assault consisted of one woman poking the other in her porky shoulder with a finger and was considered an assault only because there was bodily contact.Suggest you apologise for falsely claiming Labour were involved in any way.
Channelx the assault you refer to was a despute between two Tory Councillors as you well know.The assault consisted of one woman poking the other in her porky shoulder with a finger and was considered an assault only because there was bodily contact.Suggest you apologise for falsely claiming Labour were involved in any way. stratton man
  • Score: 14

4:31pm Fri 11 Apr 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

stratton man wrote:
Channelx the assault you refer to was a despute between two Tory Councillors as you well know.The assault consisted of one woman poking the other in her porky shoulder with a finger and was considered an assault only because there was bodily contact.Suggest you apologise for falsely claiming Labour were involved in any way.
It wasn't even assault in the end. She pleased guilty to a public order offense. See the links in my post above!
[quote][p][bold]stratton man[/bold] wrote: Channelx the assault you refer to was a despute between two Tory Councillors as you well know.The assault consisted of one woman poking the other in her porky shoulder with a finger and was considered an assault only because there was bodily contact.Suggest you apologise for falsely claiming Labour were involved in any way.[/p][/quote]It wasn't even assault in the end. She pleased guilty to a public order offense. See the links in my post above! LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 7

4:41pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Spurs Fan says...

House with no name your post shows a complete lack of understanding. People with learning disabilities are not in your terms a "certain class of person" Why the mayor should be commenting on anyone's other than his own private lives shows a lack of appropriates. His derogatory term for people with Downes Syndrome another. The world has moved on since the 1970s and the case of our treatment for people with disabilities it has moved on for the better.
House with no name your post shows a complete lack of understanding. People with learning disabilities are not in your terms a "certain class of person" Why the mayor should be commenting on anyone's other than his own private lives shows a lack of appropriates. His derogatory term for people with Downes Syndrome another. The world has moved on since the 1970s and the case of our treatment for people with disabilities it has moved on for the better. Spurs Fan
  • Score: 16

5:28pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Old Town Comment says...

interestingly we are forgetting that Cllr Martin has form. This is his third or fourth Standards incident.
If he had made the remark then a full retraction and an apology 9 months ago, we would have perhaps never had focused on anything more than his uncaring and bigoted reaction to the less able in life. It would have finished there.
But now I know that he has been regularly admonished by standards, I ask WHY HAVE STANDARDS NOT GOT TEETH. If this was an employment situation he would first get a slap on the wrist, the second time he may get a suspension, then....... It would matter very little how simple his final discretion was, if you misbehave in public it does add up.
It seems reasonable and fair at this point that Cllr Martin should be suspended for the rest of his tenure, too late in my opinion.
As there is no separate standards for a Mayor perhaps this means suspension as a councillor.
But it won't happen now any more than it did when relevant last year.
How about a resignation Nick, never too late to realise you are wrong.
interestingly we are forgetting that Cllr Martin has form. This is his third or fourth Standards incident. If he had made the remark then a full retraction and an apology 9 months ago, we would have perhaps never had focused on anything more than his uncaring and bigoted reaction to the less able in life. It would have finished there. But now I know that he has been regularly admonished by standards, I ask WHY HAVE STANDARDS NOT GOT TEETH. If this was an employment situation he would first get a slap on the wrist, the second time he may get a suspension, then....... It would matter very little how simple his final discretion was, if you misbehave in public it does add up. It seems reasonable and fair at this point that Cllr Martin should be suspended for the rest of his tenure, too late in my opinion. As there is no separate standards for a Mayor [why not!!??] perhaps this means suspension as a councillor. But it won't happen now any more than it did when relevant last year. How about a resignation Nick, never too late to realise you are wrong. Old Town Comment
  • Score: 20

5:58pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Hammer5 says...

Mayors councillors and the rest of the brigade all a waste of time and money get rid of the lot of them because all they do is cost the taxpayer more money with meetings about meetings about meetings!!!
Infact most of these people actually believe in there little tiny minds that they are important and truth is its really all about them!!!
Mayors councillors and the rest of the brigade all a waste of time and money get rid of the lot of them because all they do is cost the taxpayer more money with meetings about meetings about meetings!!! Infact most of these people actually believe in there little tiny minds that they are important and truth is its really all about them!!! Hammer5
  • Score: 3

6:15pm Fri 11 Apr 14

stratton man says...

Channelx still waiting for you to apologise for your shameful lies about the Labour party.Time for you to crawl out from under your damp stone and admit your a liar the truth was published in the Adver for all to see.
Channelx still waiting for you to apologise for your shameful lies about the Labour party.Time for you to crawl out from under your damp stone and admit your a liar the truth was published in the Adver for all to see. stratton man
  • Score: 8

6:44pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ChаnnelX says...

Firstly I do not live under a damp stone.

Secondly I apologise for being an insufferable ranting Tory but I am NOT a liar and I fully support Nick Martin for what he said.

As I said previously, get over it.
Firstly I do not live under a damp stone. Secondly I apologise for being an insufferable ranting Tory but I am NOT a liar and I fully support Nick Martin for what he said. As I said previously, get over it. ChаnnelX
  • Score: -35

6:50pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Wildwestener says...

Unbelievable that some are defending the undefendable.

All bigots please listen carefully. It is not all right to denigrate people on the basis of sex, sexuality, race, religion, desiability etc. This is 2014, not 1914 like some of you seem to think.

I'm not a Labour voter so have no party political axe to grind and would say exactly the same to them if this had been perpetrated by one of theirs. But it wasn't. Tory Party, if you want any credibility, sack this offensive man from your party; if you can't do it for honourable reasons, do it because he's losing you votes.
Unbelievable that some are defending the undefendable. All bigots please listen carefully. It is not all right to denigrate people on the basis of sex, sexuality, race, religion, desiability etc. This is 2014, not 1914 like some of you seem to think. I'm not a Labour voter so have no party political axe to grind and would say exactly the same to them if this had been perpetrated by one of theirs. But it wasn't. Tory Party, if you want any credibility, sack this offensive man from your party; if you can't do it for honourable reasons, do it because he's losing you votes. Wildwestener
  • Score: 12

7:24pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Tramadolt says...

It seems transparently clear that many of the most disgusted of us are NOT Labour voters. It's extraordinary sad and worrying that the supporters and apologists for Mr Martin seem to assume that his critics have a politically motivated problem with his (now serial) antediluvian words and behaviour. The majority of us seem to have an issue with what it displays about his crass ATTITUDE. He did not make his remarks as some minor party member or back bench councillor or even some whisky addled old **** in the lounge bar of some dusty old club. He made them whilst wearing the robes of office of the most prestigious role SBC has to offer. He said them whilst acting as the civic ambassador for THE ENTIRE TOWN. Regardless of whether or not this was a mistake, it was a mind numbingly stupid one to have made for someone in such a position of influence and profile, and say much about his unsuitability to have been awarded this honour in the first place. Anyone who is so wilfully refusing to acknowledge the importance of that is either a fool, or the kind of disgusting political drone who treats the electorate with open contempt, and who's obvious blind allegiance will cripple the chances of their more capable and intelligent council colleagues come the next election. You need look no further than this story to see why so many people are becoming so cynical about the state of local politics.
It seems transparently clear that many of the most disgusted of us are NOT Labour voters. It's extraordinary sad and worrying that the supporters and apologists for Mr Martin seem to assume that his critics have a politically motivated problem with his (now serial) antediluvian words and behaviour. The majority of us seem to have an issue with what it displays about his crass ATTITUDE. He did not make his remarks as some minor party member or back bench councillor or even some whisky addled old **** in the lounge bar of some dusty old club. He made them whilst wearing the robes of office of the most prestigious role SBC has to offer. He said them whilst acting as the civic ambassador for THE ENTIRE TOWN. Regardless of whether or not this was a mistake, it was a mind numbingly stupid one to have made for someone in such a position of influence and profile, and say much about his unsuitability to have been awarded this honour in the first place. Anyone who is so wilfully refusing to acknowledge the importance of that is either a fool, or the kind of disgusting political drone who treats the electorate with open contempt, and who's obvious blind allegiance will cripple the chances of their more capable and intelligent council colleagues come the next election. You need look no further than this story to see why so many people are becoming so cynical about the state of local politics. Tramadolt
  • Score: 16

7:50pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

ChannelX wrote:
It's always a bit suspicious when people take such apparent huge offence on behalf of others.

It's also amusing when people bemoan the current state of this country where 'nobody's allowed to say anything anymore' - and then exacerbate that problem when they think they have something to gain from doing so.

He used a WORD, not even a particularly offensive one, and has apologised. Get over it.

Swindon deserves better than Better Swindon.
Oh dear, yet again I find myself drawn into responding to a bizarre and ill thought out comment from ChannelX.

People have the right to say whatever they want - the point is, they also have a responsibility to not be gratuitously offensive, and where they do cross the line, it is right that they are held to account.

We are not just talking about a word here, it is the whole tone of the phrase. As the Mayor, Martin should be respectful to all the people of Swindon, regardless of how he chooses to categorise them in his small minded way. It is certainly not respectful to refer to disabled people in a derogatory way, and it is not respectful to infer that disabled people shouldn't have relationships.

The apology is as half-hearted and grudging as the one from the former culture secretary. To claim that it is a word that from when he was growing up beggars belief, and perhaps shows just how out of touch he is with the modern world. The apology lacked grace, and is too little, too late.

Swindon should expect the very highest standards from it's elected representatives. Martin has failed spectacularly, and it is disgraceful that he is hanging onto his job, and no doubt the expenses that goes with it.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: It's always a bit suspicious when people take such apparent huge offence on behalf of others. It's also amusing when people bemoan the current state of this country where 'nobody's allowed to say anything anymore' - and then exacerbate that problem when they think they have something to gain from doing so. He used a WORD, not even a particularly offensive one, and has apologised. Get over it. Swindon deserves better than Better Swindon.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, yet again I find myself drawn into responding to a bizarre and ill thought out comment from ChannelX. People have the right to say whatever they want - the point is, they also have a responsibility to not be gratuitously offensive, and where they do cross the line, it is right that they are held to account. We are not just talking about a word here, it is the whole tone of the phrase. As the Mayor, Martin should be respectful to all the people of Swindon, regardless of how he chooses to categorise them in his small minded way. It is certainly not respectful to refer to disabled people in a derogatory way, and it is not respectful to infer that disabled people shouldn't have relationships. The apology is as half-hearted and grudging as the one from the former culture secretary. To claim that it is a word that from when he was growing up beggars belief, and perhaps shows just how out of touch he is with the modern world. The apology lacked grace, and is too little, too late. Swindon should expect the very highest standards from it's elected representatives. Martin has failed spectacularly, and it is disgraceful that he is hanging onto his job, and no doubt the expenses that goes with it. BeardyBill
  • Score: 12

7:52pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Wildwestener wrote:
His apology makes Maria Miller's look grovelling. This odious man needs to stand down as a Councillor, never mind just as Mayor to retain any shred of dignity. He is a complete disgrace to his town and to the office he holds and to the party he represents. If he doesn't, the Tories should take away his whip as he is making them all look bad.
Oh and I'm not a Labour voter, I'm just someone who doesn't want people representing me and my town who hold such disgusting views on some of our fellow citizens. You do wonder sometimes what it would take to make some of these people feel any shame.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: His apology makes Maria Miller's look grovelling. This odious man needs to stand down as a Councillor, never mind just as Mayor to retain any shred of dignity. He is a complete disgrace to his town and to the office he holds and to the party he represents. If he doesn't, the Tories should take away his whip as he is making them all look bad. Oh and I'm not a Labour voter, I'm just someone who doesn't want people representing me and my town who hold such disgusting views on some of our fellow citizens. You do wonder sometimes what it would take to make some of these people feel any shame.[/p][/quote]Well said. BeardyBill
  • Score: 8

7:58pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
According to claims made on this website previously that CHANNELx is a Tory councilor, his comment above comes of no surprise.
That's the second time I've seen this claim - is it true? If so, he should have the courage to come clean, so voters can see his true colours, in all their sad, twisted, nasty, small-minded glory.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: According to claims made on this website previously that CHANNELx is a Tory councilor, his comment above comes of no surprise.[/p][/quote]That's the second time I've seen this claim - is it true? If so, he should have the courage to come clean, so voters can see his true colours, in all their sad, twisted, nasty, small-minded glory. BeardyBill
  • Score: 9

8:06pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

ChannelX wrote:
Spurs Fan wrote:
ChannelX two wrongs do not make a right. This has nothing to do with Labour Councillors or other criminal charges etc. The mayor has a proven track record of offensive behaviour. He should resign or be sacked by his party. He is not , I would argues, a person who is fit to hold the office of mayor in the 21st century. He is supposed to represent everyone in Swindon no matter their politics, gender, race, religion, or ability. It appears he cannot do so without being offensive so he should go!
I didn't say anything made anything else 'right', or not.

I simply pointed out that when the usual Labour apologists pretend they would have 'said the same' had it been a Labour mayor who used such language, they're demonstrably lying.

As I said, they not only tried to excuse a Labour councillor from all blame, despite her being found guilty of a criminal charge (which the mayor has not), they also then had a go at the person who was the victim of the assault.

Which would be a bit like somebody saying, 'The mayor didn't do anything wrong, those how complained about it should toughen up a bit'.

Frankly, I'd rather a person came out with what they think than tried to lie and dress up their views with all sorts of politically correct hypocrisy.
@ChannelX you are obsessed with tribalism. The majority of correspondents on these boards appear to be taking a quite reasonable right vs wrong approach, yet your mindset is fixed on right vs left. You really do seem to think your gang is better than other peoples gang. Pathetic.

You should seek professional help, as you are obviously a very unhappy, angry individual.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: ChannelX two wrongs do not make a right. This has nothing to do with Labour Councillors or other criminal charges etc. The mayor has a proven track record of offensive behaviour. He should resign or be sacked by his party. He is not , I would argues, a person who is fit to hold the office of mayor in the 21st century. He is supposed to represent everyone in Swindon no matter their politics, gender, race, religion, or ability. It appears he cannot do so without being offensive so he should go![/p][/quote]I didn't say anything made anything else 'right', or not. I simply pointed out that when the usual Labour apologists pretend they would have 'said the same' had it been a Labour mayor who used such language, they're demonstrably lying. As I said, they not only tried to excuse a Labour councillor from all blame, despite her being found guilty of a criminal charge (which the mayor has not), they also then had a go at the person who was the victim of the assault. Which would be a bit like somebody saying, 'The mayor didn't do anything wrong, those how complained about it should toughen up a bit'. Frankly, I'd rather a person came out with what they think than tried to lie and dress up their views with all sorts of politically correct hypocrisy.[/p][/quote]@ChannelX you are obsessed with tribalism. The majority of correspondents on these boards appear to be taking a quite reasonable right vs wrong approach, yet your mindset is fixed on right vs left. You really do seem to think your gang is better than other peoples gang. Pathetic. You should seek professional help, as you are obviously a very unhappy, angry individual. BeardyBill
  • Score: 9

8:09pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

FLOGGITLAD wrote:
and remember from day one, he said he didnt say any such thing, or ask that councillor to leave his room. he is a disgrace and so are you channelx for standing up for him..
I didn't realise Council meetings were so Spikey - I just imagined a bunch of self-important people spouting forth rubbish as they like the sound of their own voices.

I'll have to along and have a look - could be an evenings entertainment.
[quote][p][bold]FLOGGITLAD[/bold] wrote: and remember from day one, he said he didnt say any such thing, or ask that councillor to leave his room. he is a disgrace and so are you channelx for standing up for him..[/p][/quote]I didn't realise Council meetings were so Spikey - I just imagined a bunch of self-important people spouting forth rubbish as they like the sound of their own voices. I'll have to along and have a look - could be an evenings entertainment. BeardyBill
  • Score: 6

8:15pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

trolley dolley wrote:
For goodness sake people, the Standards Committee have told Cllr Martin to apologise and he has done so.

They have said he must do some training which I am sure he will do.

Whilst I agree that the words used were not acceptable I have to ask the question, "were they said to humiliate or degrade anyone or were they just unguarded comment".?

People are still trying to milk this for Political gain.

If Cllr Martin does as the Standards Committee require then the media and others should leave it at that.

Move on.
And who do you think you are to tell people to move on? It would appear that a lot of correspondents are very angry, and quite rightly so. To try and make the excuse that it was an unguarded comment is effectively condoning it....let's be clear, views like his, whether spoken or not, are wholly unacceptable in today's more enlightened society.
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: For goodness sake people, the Standards Committee have told Cllr Martin to apologise and he has done so. They have said he must do some training which I am sure he will do. Whilst I agree that the words used were not acceptable I have to ask the question, "were they said to humiliate or degrade anyone or were they just unguarded comment".? People are still trying to milk this for Political gain. If Cllr Martin does as the Standards Committee require then the media and others should leave it at that. Move on.[/p][/quote]And who do you think you are to tell people to move on? It would appear that a lot of correspondents are very angry, and quite rightly so. To try and make the excuse that it was an unguarded comment is effectively condoning it....let's be clear, views like his, whether spoken or not, are wholly unacceptable in today's more enlightened society. BeardyBill
  • Score: 13

8:20pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

madreeves wrote:
trolley dolley wrote:
For goodness sake people, the Standards Committee have told Cllr Martin to apologise and he has done so.

They have said he must do some training which I am sure he will do.

Whilst I agree that the words used were not acceptable I have to ask the question, "were they said to humiliate or degrade anyone or were they just unguarded comment".?

People are still trying to milk this for Political gain.

If Cllr Martin does as the Standards Committee require then the media and others should leave it at that.

Move on.
I agree. What Cllr Martin said was wrong. However, it was said in a closed meeting where a lady Labour Councillor was present and overheard and she chose to make a complaint. I think the actions of the lady Labour Councillor should be considered, not just in this case, but in the previous allegation against Cllr Martin by the Miah woman. It was well known that Miah disliked Cllr Martin because of his criticisms of the way she was running certain projects under her remit so was determined to make him pay. She got her chance when attending the Civic Dinner and, who invited her to that (an event where lower grade officers shouldn't be in attendance)? No prizes for guessing. Don't get me wrong, Cllr Martin shouldn't have said what he did, and the Standards Committee were probably right to sanction him. However, I believe there has been an element of a "witch hunt" against Cllr Martin with certain parties (not all Councillors) very much in collaboration. There are numerous other Councillors who have said (and done) far worse, but no-one has taken it further. Yet.
A witch-hunt suggests an innocent party being unjustly victimised......unfo
rtunately with politicians, the term witch-hunt seems to get bandied around when individuals are caught doing stuff they shouldn't have.
[quote][p][bold]madreeves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: For goodness sake people, the Standards Committee have told Cllr Martin to apologise and he has done so. They have said he must do some training which I am sure he will do. Whilst I agree that the words used were not acceptable I have to ask the question, "were they said to humiliate or degrade anyone or were they just unguarded comment".? People are still trying to milk this for Political gain. If Cllr Martin does as the Standards Committee require then the media and others should leave it at that. Move on.[/p][/quote]I agree. What Cllr Martin said was wrong. However, it was said in a closed meeting where a lady Labour Councillor was present and overheard and she chose to make a complaint. I think the actions of the lady Labour Councillor should be considered, not just in this case, but in the previous allegation against Cllr Martin by the Miah woman. It was well known that Miah disliked Cllr Martin because of his criticisms of the way she was running certain projects under her remit so was determined to make him pay. She got her chance when attending the Civic Dinner and, who invited her to that (an event where lower grade officers shouldn't be in attendance)? No prizes for guessing. Don't get me wrong, Cllr Martin shouldn't have said what he did, and the Standards Committee were probably right to sanction him. However, I believe there has been an element of a "witch hunt" against Cllr Martin with certain parties (not all Councillors) very much in collaboration. There are numerous other Councillors who have said (and done) far worse, but no-one has taken it further. Yet.[/p][/quote]A witch-hunt suggests an innocent party being unjustly victimised......unfo rtunately with politicians, the term witch-hunt seems to get bandied around when individuals are caught doing stuff they shouldn't have. BeardyBill
  • Score: 15

8:22pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

House with no name wrote:
Amazing how many people want to make personal comment without knowing all the facts and not just what they want to hear - Yes of course this matter was originally raised by a certain Labour Councillor for the purpose of mischief making which he has succeeded in doing and at the same time degrading the role of Mayor - who himself could/should have handled it differently - but Labour Councillors wanted to bring down the
Mayor and the Conservative majority - Sheer political point scoring.

So the Mayor used a term to describe a certain class of person which was in common use during his formative years - so what, gets a life and move on.

What is the word / term he should have used anyway?

How many other words have been erased from common usage just because a small minority want a new words to describe various types of minorities - What is the the term for 88 in Bingo now I wonder ?
Have I just woken up in an episode of Life on Mars? There seems to be a lot of 1974 attitudes around in certain quarters
[quote][p][bold]House with no name[/bold] wrote: Amazing how many people want to make personal comment without knowing all the facts and not just what they want to hear - Yes of course this matter was originally raised by a certain Labour Councillor for the purpose of mischief making which he has succeeded in doing and at the same time degrading the role of Mayor - who himself could/should have handled it differently - but Labour Councillors wanted to bring down the Mayor and the Conservative majority - Sheer political point scoring. So the Mayor used a term to describe a certain class of person which was in common use during his formative years - so what, gets a life and move on. What is the word / term he should have used anyway? How many other words have been erased from common usage just because a small minority want a new words to describe various types of minorities - What is the the term for 88 in Bingo now I wonder ?[/p][/quote]Have I just woken up in an episode of Life on Mars? There seems to be a lot of 1974 attitudes around in certain quarters BeardyBill
  • Score: 11

9:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Alaughaminute says...

Councillor Martin (Con, Shaw) said: “They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?”

BeardyBill: "describe a certain class of person which was in common use during his formative years"

What is wrong with these people, do you not hear what rubbish is coming out of your mouth?

It's time Councillor Martin got kicked out, he's a nasty man.
Councillor Martin (Con, Shaw) said: “They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?” BeardyBill: "describe a certain class of person which was in common use during his formative years" What is wrong with these people, do you not hear what rubbish is coming out of your mouth? It's time Councillor Martin got kicked out, he's a nasty man. Alaughaminute
  • Score: 5

9:55pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Alaughaminute wrote:
Councillor Martin (Con, Shaw) said: “They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?”

BeardyBill: "describe a certain class of person which was in common use during his formative years"

What is wrong with these people, do you not hear what rubbish is coming out of your mouth?

It's time Councillor Martin got kicked out, he's a nasty man.
@Alaughaminute for the avoidance of any doubt, the comment was a direct quote from House with no name. I find these views abhorrent.
[quote][p][bold]Alaughaminute[/bold] wrote: Councillor Martin (Con, Shaw) said: “They aren’t still letting those mongols have sex with each other are they?” BeardyBill: "describe a certain class of person which was in common use during his formative years" What is wrong with these people, do you not hear what rubbish is coming out of your mouth? It's time Councillor Martin got kicked out, he's a nasty man.[/p][/quote]@Alaughaminute for the avoidance of any doubt, the comment was a direct quote from House with no name. I find these views abhorrent. BeardyBill
  • Score: 8

9:55pm Fri 11 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

if you went to the council meetingon the 3rd April, you would have seen this lot in full action total disgrace, utter contempt for the public and when one of them was effing and blinding, the mayor said nothing nether did channelx either.. and the current spend on wifi and the new uk braodband by this council is now around £700k and we have not a lot to show for it..
if you went to the council meetingon the 3rd April, you would have seen this lot in full action total disgrace, utter contempt for the public and when one of them was effing and blinding, the mayor said nothing nether did channelx either.. and the current spend on wifi and the new uk braodband by this council is now around £700k and we have not a lot to show for it.. FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 8

10:53pm Fri 11 Apr 14

somwal25 says...

there is no point cllr martin standing down as the council will if not all ready been dissolved ready for the local elections, and his term of office as mayor ends next month.the question that should be asked why did the standards committee take so long in deciding what to do. one can only think due to the timing they left it until the last meeting before the local elections as they could not leave it for the new council.
there is no point cllr martin standing down as the council will if not all ready been dissolved ready for the local elections, and his term of office as mayor ends next month.the question that should be asked why did the standards committee take so long in deciding what to do. one can only think due to the timing they left it until the last meeting before the local elections as they could not leave it for the new council. somwal25
  • Score: 4

11:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

madreeves wrote:
trolley dolley wrote:
For goodness sake people, the Standards Committee have told Cllr Martin to apologise and he has done so.

They have said he must do some training which I am sure he will do.

Whilst I agree that the words used were not acceptable I have to ask the question, "were they said to humiliate or degrade anyone or were they just unguarded comment".?

People are still trying to milk this for Political gain.

If Cllr Martin does as the Standards Committee require then the media and others should leave it at that.

Move on.
I agree. What Cllr Martin said was wrong. However, it was said in a closed meeting where a lady Labour Councillor was present and overheard and she chose to make a complaint. I think the actions of the lady Labour Councillor should be considered, not just in this case, but in the previous allegation against Cllr Martin by the Miah woman. It was well known that Miah disliked Cllr Martin because of his criticisms of the way she was running certain projects under her remit so was determined to make him pay. She got her chance when attending the Civic Dinner and, who invited her to that (an event where lower grade officers shouldn't be in attendance)? No prizes for guessing. Don't get me wrong, Cllr Martin shouldn't have said what he did, and the Standards Committee were probably right to sanction him. However, I believe there has been an element of a "witch hunt" against Cllr Martin with certain parties (not all Councillors) very much in collaboration. There are numerous other Councillors who have said (and done) far worse, but no-one has taken it further. Yet.
Just re-reading some of the mad ramblings - I really should get out more! The first time I commented on the witch-hunt comment.....I completely missed the delightful comment that lower grade officers shouldn't attend civic dinners. How I laughed, madreeves is obviously stuck in a 19th century time warp, where the lower orders know their place, and tug their forelocks to their Tory squire overlords who can get away with holding offensive views provided they are only discussed in private, and not in front of females in case it upsets them, and makes them want the vote or equal employment rights, or something else ridiculous

Breathtaking arrogance.
[quote][p][bold]madreeves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: For goodness sake people, the Standards Committee have told Cllr Martin to apologise and he has done so. They have said he must do some training which I am sure he will do. Whilst I agree that the words used were not acceptable I have to ask the question, "were they said to humiliate or degrade anyone or were they just unguarded comment".? People are still trying to milk this for Political gain. If Cllr Martin does as the Standards Committee require then the media and others should leave it at that. Move on.[/p][/quote]I agree. What Cllr Martin said was wrong. However, it was said in a closed meeting where a lady Labour Councillor was present and overheard and she chose to make a complaint. I think the actions of the lady Labour Councillor should be considered, not just in this case, but in the previous allegation against Cllr Martin by the Miah woman. It was well known that Miah disliked Cllr Martin because of his criticisms of the way she was running certain projects under her remit so was determined to make him pay. She got her chance when attending the Civic Dinner and, who invited her to that (an event where lower grade officers shouldn't be in attendance)? No prizes for guessing. Don't get me wrong, Cllr Martin shouldn't have said what he did, and the Standards Committee were probably right to sanction him. However, I believe there has been an element of a "witch hunt" against Cllr Martin with certain parties (not all Councillors) very much in collaboration. There are numerous other Councillors who have said (and done) far worse, but no-one has taken it further. Yet.[/p][/quote]Just re-reading some of the mad ramblings - I really should get out more! The first time I commented on the witch-hunt comment.....I completely missed the delightful comment that lower grade officers shouldn't attend civic dinners. How I laughed, madreeves is obviously stuck in a 19th century time warp, where the lower orders know their place, and tug their forelocks to their Tory squire overlords who can get away with holding offensive views provided they are only discussed in private, and not in front of females in case it upsets them, and makes them want the vote or equal employment rights, or something else ridiculous Breathtaking arrogance. BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

8:25am Sat 12 Apr 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

It is not arrogance to show respect to your elected representatives.😳
It is not arrogance to show respect to your elected representatives.😳 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -5

8:49am Sat 12 Apr 14

Spurs Fan says...

Ollie Dognacky: respect has to be earned and our wonderful mayor has shown none to his learning disabled constituents and previously to women. he is a liability!
Ollie Dognacky: respect has to be earned and our wonderful mayor has shown none to his learning disabled constituents and previously to women. he is a liability! Spurs Fan
  • Score: 7

8:51am Sat 12 Apr 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

somwal25 wrote:
there is no point cllr martin standing down as the council will if not all ready been dissolved ready for the local elections, and his term of office as mayor ends next month.the question that should be asked why did the standards committee take so long in deciding what to do. one can only think due to the timing they left it until the last meeting before the local elections as they could not leave it for the new council.
Why do you think the council will be disolved?

At the elections in May only 1/3rd of the seats are up for election and it is those councillors that polled 3rd place in their wards. If I remember correctly Nick Martin came 1st or 2nd in his ward, so he will not be up for re-election until next year or the year after.
[quote][p][bold]somwal25[/bold] wrote: there is no point cllr martin standing down as the council will if not all ready been dissolved ready for the local elections, and his term of office as mayor ends next month.the question that should be asked why did the standards committee take so long in deciding what to do. one can only think due to the timing they left it until the last meeting before the local elections as they could not leave it for the new council.[/p][/quote]Why do you think the council will be disolved? At the elections in May only 1/3rd of the seats are up for election and it is those councillors that polled 3rd place in their wards. If I remember correctly Nick Martin came 1st or 2nd in his ward, so he will not be up for re-election until next year or the year after. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 3

9:29am Sat 12 Apr 14

stratton man says...

Channel x still waiting for your apology for your outrageous lies claiming the recent court case involved Labour councillors when you know it was Tory party members in the dock as reported by the Adver.If your not lying name the people involved.You wont because you a brazen liar and and disgusting apologist for the odious bully Cllr Martin.
Channel x still waiting for your apology for your outrageous lies claiming the recent court case involved Labour councillors when you know it was Tory party members in the dock as reported by the Adver.If your not lying name the people involved.You wont because you a brazen liar and and disgusting apologist for the odious bully Cllr Martin. stratton man
  • Score: 11

9:50am Sat 12 Apr 14

trustnopolitician says...

We can do without Martin and those who think he is OK - I feel as tgough a slug has journed across the Council Chamber UGH
We can do without Martin and those who think he is OK - I feel as tgough a slug has journed across the Council Chamber UGH trustnopolitician
  • Score: 7

10:01am Sat 12 Apr 14

Wildwestener says...

I woke up this morning expecting him to have resigned. Well, perhaps not expecting, hoping a shred of decency may have pushed him to it. Disappointed to find he hasn't. He is one of my ward Councillors, anyone know if it's possible to get him sacked or do we really have to wait another year or two to kick him out.
I woke up this morning expecting him to have resigned. Well, perhaps not expecting, hoping a shred of decency may have pushed him to it. Disappointed to find he hasn't. He is one of my ward Councillors, anyone know if it's possible to get him sacked or do we really have to wait another year or two to kick him out. Wildwestener
  • Score: 6

10:16am Sat 12 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

if you want him to go then either send repeated letters asking him to resign or put for re election or write to the council leader and ask him to sack him if he values his party votes he will ditch him..
if you want him to go then either send repeated letters asking him to resign or put for re election or write to the council leader and ask him to sack him if he values his party votes he will ditch him.. FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 8

5:09pm Sat 12 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

A friend of mine had the misfortune to meet him and said he was one of those men who made you wasn't to go and have a wash after meeting you! Not a nice man, a typical slimy politician who believes his office makes him more important. He should have gone a long time ago, he just drags the town down and that is saying something!
A friend of mine had the misfortune to meet him and said he was one of those men who made you wasn't to go and have a wash after meeting you! Not a nice man, a typical slimy politician who believes his office makes him more important. He should have gone a long time ago, he just drags the town down and that is saying something! house on the hill
  • Score: 11

8:44pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Red_jools says...

one must also remember that the whole conservative group, except Perkins stood behind the Mayor, inorder to brush this under the carpet until nearly the end of his term as mayor. The Lib Dem leader also said the words were acceptable, because they were made in a private meeting and were 'banter'. Now Cllr Martin wants to leave the role as Mayor, so he can go canvassing in the elections, something prohibited as a mayor and clearly explained before taking the mayoralty. Finally one may ask, given the criticism by national Tory politicians Cllr Renard should also be challenged to remove the whip from Cllr Martin, two guilty verdicts in two years, resulting in two re-training sessions, at council tax payers expense and he is still accepted as a senior Swindon Tory. Don't have to look too far to see the nasty party covering their own.
one must also remember that the whole conservative group, except Perkins stood behind the Mayor, inorder to brush this under the carpet until nearly the end of his term as mayor. The Lib Dem leader also said the words were acceptable, because they were made in a private meeting and were 'banter'. Now Cllr Martin wants to leave the role as Mayor, so he can go canvassing in the elections, something prohibited as a mayor and clearly explained before taking the mayoralty. Finally one may ask, given the criticism by national Tory politicians Cllr Renard should also be challenged to remove the whip from Cllr Martin, two guilty verdicts in two years, resulting in two re-training sessions, at council tax payers expense and he is still accepted as a senior Swindon Tory. Don't have to look too far to see the nasty party covering their own. Red_jools
  • Score: 13

9:51pm Sat 12 Apr 14

timt1964 says...

mongol,mongol,mongol
,mongol,mongol.youve all just read the word he used 5 times.if you were offended then you really need to remove your head from the sand and understand that it is not offensive,never has been,never will be.the people who are "offended" by everything must live in a perfect world where noone ever does anything wrong.jimmy saville jimmy saville jimmy saville.
mongol,mongol,mongol ,mongol,mongol.youve all just read the word he used 5 times.if you were offended then you really need to remove your head from the sand and understand that it is not offensive,never has been,never will be.the people who are "offended" by everything must live in a perfect world where noone ever does anything wrong.jimmy saville jimmy saville jimmy saville. timt1964
  • Score: -15

10:19pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Tramadolt says...

Its not so much words as their context and the attitudes they consequently demonstrate which causes offence. They can be very revealing about the mindset and ethics of the people who use them.
Its not so much words as their context and the attitudes they consequently demonstrate which causes offence. They can be very revealing about the mindset and ethics of the people who use them. Tramadolt
  • Score: 7

10:31pm Sat 12 Apr 14

timt1964 says...

Tramadolt wrote:
Its not so much words as their context and the attitudes they consequently demonstrate which causes offence. They can be very revealing about the mindset and ethics of the people who use them.
no,youre wrong.its the mindset of the offended is what makes the uk today the wishy washy blame culture it is.people used to take it rather than be up in arms about the slightest little thing.even the f word is actually a group of letters which mean other words so is not as "offensive" as you may think.proof that people who think they know it all actually dont.
[quote][p][bold]Tramadolt[/bold] wrote: Its not so much words as their context and the attitudes they consequently demonstrate which causes offence. They can be very revealing about the mindset and ethics of the people who use them.[/p][/quote]no,youre wrong.its the mindset of the offended is what makes the uk today the wishy washy blame culture it is.people used to take it rather than be up in arms about the slightest little thing.even the f word is actually a group of letters which mean other words so is not as "offensive" as you may think.proof that people who think they know it all actually dont. timt1964
  • Score: -11

10:44pm Sat 12 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

timt1964 wrote:
mongol,mongol,mongol

,mongol,mongol.youve all just read the word he used 5 times.if you were offended then you really need to remove your head from the sand and understand that it is not offensive,never has been,never will be.the people who are "offended" by everything must live in a perfect world where noone ever does anything wrong.jimmy saville jimmy saville jimmy saville.
Put your mummy's iPad away, you are not shocking anyone - in fact I pity you for being such a pathetic specimen. The only thing I'm offended by is your use of oxygen. Now it's past your bedtime, off you f*ck......
[quote][p][bold]timt1964[/bold] wrote: mongol,mongol,mongol ,mongol,mongol.youve all just read the word he used 5 times.if you were offended then you really need to remove your head from the sand and understand that it is not offensive,never has been,never will be.the people who are "offended" by everything must live in a perfect world where noone ever does anything wrong.jimmy saville jimmy saville jimmy saville.[/p][/quote]Put your mummy's iPad away, you are not shocking anyone - in fact I pity you for being such a pathetic specimen. The only thing I'm offended by is your use of oxygen. Now it's past your bedtime, off you f*ck...... BeardyBill
  • Score: 11

10:51pm Sat 12 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

timt1964 wrote:
Tramadolt wrote:
Its not so much words as their context and the attitudes they consequently demonstrate which causes offence. They can be very revealing about the mindset and ethics of the people who use them.
no,youre wrong.its the mindset of the offended is what makes the uk today the wishy washy blame culture it is.people used to take it rather than be up in arms about the slightest little thing.even the f word is actually a group of letters which mean other words so is not as "offensive" as you may think.proof that people who think they know it all actually dont.
Oh dear, the ramblings of a disturbed child....bless.

When you make points like "even the f word is actually a group of letters", how can the rest of us fault your logic...you truly are a master of rational argument, wit and repartee. No, actually you are just a bellend.
[quote][p][bold]timt1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tramadolt[/bold] wrote: Its not so much words as their context and the attitudes they consequently demonstrate which causes offence. They can be very revealing about the mindset and ethics of the people who use them.[/p][/quote]no,youre wrong.its the mindset of the offended is what makes the uk today the wishy washy blame culture it is.people used to take it rather than be up in arms about the slightest little thing.even the f word is actually a group of letters which mean other words so is not as "offensive" as you may think.proof that people who think they know it all actually dont.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, the ramblings of a disturbed child....bless. When you make points like "even the f word is actually a group of letters", how can the rest of us fault your logic...you truly are a master of rational argument, wit and repartee. No, actually you are just a bellend. BeardyBill
  • Score: 7

11:00pm Sat 12 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

timt1964 wrote:
mongol,mongol,mongol

,mongol,mongol.youve all just read the word he used 5 times.if you were offended then you really need to remove your head from the sand and understand that it is not offensive,never has been,never will be.the people who are "offended" by everything must live in a perfect world where noone ever does anything wrong.jimmy saville jimmy saville jimmy saville.
A ah yes, Jimmy Savile .....frequent house guest of Margaret Thatcher, handed the keys to Broadmoor by Edwina Currie. Yep, Jimmy Savile, the Tories fave DJ and kiddy fiddler. Not much more I can add really.
[quote][p][bold]timt1964[/bold] wrote: mongol,mongol,mongol ,mongol,mongol.youve all just read the word he used 5 times.if you were offended then you really need to remove your head from the sand and understand that it is not offensive,never has been,never will be.the people who are "offended" by everything must live in a perfect world where noone ever does anything wrong.jimmy saville jimmy saville jimmy saville.[/p][/quote]A ah yes, Jimmy Savile .....frequent house guest of Margaret Thatcher, handed the keys to Broadmoor by Edwina Currie. Yep, Jimmy Savile, the Tories fave DJ and kiddy fiddler. Not much more I can add really. BeardyBill
  • Score: 7

9:19am Sun 13 Apr 14

Spurs Fan says...

timt1964, the use of the word mongol when used in its proper historical context is fine. However, when applying it to people with Downes Syndrome it is wrong. These are your fellow human beings and they deserve your respect and the the respect of our mayor who is there to represent all of his constituents. Times move and and it now no longer correct to call people from Pakistan, what they were called when I was growing up, Likewise the a certain word for people of the Jewish faith is frowned upon. Not only is Mayor Martin's language wholly inappropriate what the f@@k is he doing having a banter about disabled peoples private lives. That in itself shows a lack of respect for his fellow citizens. I have met our mayor on many occasions and he is a boor. His track record with standards committee should tell us all we need to know about the man. If his fellow local Torys were not so spineless they would sack him yesterday.
timt1964, the use of the word mongol when used in its proper historical context is fine. However, when applying it to people with Downes Syndrome it is wrong. These are your fellow human beings and they deserve your respect and the the respect of our mayor who is there to represent all of his constituents. Times move and and it now no longer correct to call people from Pakistan, what they were called when I was growing up, Likewise the a certain word for people of the Jewish faith is frowned upon. Not only is Mayor Martin's language wholly inappropriate what the f@@k is he doing having a banter about disabled peoples private lives. That in itself shows a lack of respect for his fellow citizens. I have met our mayor on many occasions and he is a boor. His track record with standards committee should tell us all we need to know about the man. If his fellow local Torys were not so spineless they would sack him yesterday. Spurs Fan
  • Score: 13

12:14pm Sun 13 Apr 14

trolley dolley says...

I have a softback book by Agatha Christie, its title is TEN LITTLE N-----S.

It was written some time ago and is a detective story far removed from what the cult of today would read from the title. It is still in print but the title has been altered to comply with todays expectations.

My point of saying this is that times move on, some people move faster than others. It is wrong for some people to continually attack a person for using a word that a few years ago was acceptable and in constant use.

So let us all move on.
I have a softback book by Agatha Christie, its title is TEN LITTLE N-----S. It was written some time ago and is a detective story far removed from what the cult of today would read from the title. It is still in print but the title has been altered to comply with todays expectations. My point of saying this is that times move on, some people move faster than others. It is wrong for some people to continually attack a person for using a word that a few years ago was acceptable and in constant use. So let us all move on. trolley dolley
  • Score: -7

12:48pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

The meaning of what was said is far more offensive than the actual word he used.
His half arsed apology didn't even excuse that, only the word used.

Funny how all the Tories on here want to make excuses or move on. I bet they do. Embarrassed for them really. So pathetic
The meaning of what was said is far more offensive than the actual word he used. His half arsed apology didn't even excuse that, only the word used. Funny how all the Tories on here want to make excuses or move on. I bet they do. Embarrassed for them really. So pathetic Davey Gravey
  • Score: 7

1:01pm Sun 13 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

trolley dolley wrote:
I have a softback book by Agatha Christie, its title is TEN LITTLE N-----S.

It was written some time ago and is a detective story far removed from what the cult of today would read from the title. It is still in print but the title has been altered to comply with todays expectations.

My point of saying this is that times move on, some people move faster than others. It is wrong for some people to continually attack a person for using a word that a few years ago was acceptable and in constant use.

So let us all move on.
You are arguing against yourself. The book you refer to has had it's title changed because society in general has moved on - it is not a cult that finds these words unacceptable. Times do indeed move on, and people have to move with the times, this is especially true for elected representatives.

It is not wrong to challenge people for holding offensive views. As other correspondents have stated, it is not just the word but the context in which it was used, and these suggest that Martin actually holds these views, rather than being just a silly old duffer who is a bit behind the times.

Why are you so keen for everyone to move on? Are you trying to stifle debate and my right to fair comment? Or is it something much more sinister....do you still use the N & M words, or do you think it is ok to still use them?

Lots of things were acceptable in the past that are abhorrent now - slavery, ****-fighting, badger baiting, the workhouse....do you pine for the good old days when these were acceptable?

Martin has brought disgrace to his office and the town, he should resign. He has also made himself and his Tory supporters on the Council look nasty and out of touch. That's not a smart thing to do just before an election.
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: I have a softback book by Agatha Christie, its title is TEN LITTLE N-----S. It was written some time ago and is a detective story far removed from what the cult of today would read from the title. It is still in print but the title has been altered to comply with todays expectations. My point of saying this is that times move on, some people move faster than others. It is wrong for some people to continually attack a person for using a word that a few years ago was acceptable and in constant use. So let us all move on.[/p][/quote]You are arguing against yourself. The book you refer to has had it's title changed because society in general has moved on - it is not a cult that finds these words unacceptable. Times do indeed move on, and people have to move with the times, this is especially true for elected representatives. It is not wrong to challenge people for holding offensive views. As other correspondents have stated, it is not just the word but the context in which it was used, and these suggest that Martin actually holds these views, rather than being just a silly old duffer who is a bit behind the times. Why are you so keen for everyone to move on? Are you trying to stifle debate and my right to fair comment? Or is it something much more sinister....do you still use the N & M words, or do you think it is ok to still use them? Lots of things were acceptable in the past that are abhorrent now - slavery, ****-fighting, badger baiting, the workhouse....do you pine for the good old days when these were acceptable? Martin has brought disgrace to his office and the town, he should resign. He has also made himself and his Tory supporters on the Council look nasty and out of touch. That's not a smart thing to do just before an election. BeardyBill
  • Score: 7

2:17pm Sun 13 Apr 14

anyopinion says...

Apologies definately NOT accepted!!! Swindon residents deserve a mayor that is a good example of respect and inclusion!!! He must resign!!!
Apologies definately NOT accepted!!! Swindon residents deserve a mayor that is a good example of respect and inclusion!!! He must resign!!! anyopinion
  • Score: 10

2:53pm Sun 13 Apr 14

trolley dolley says...

BeardyBill, you ask "Why are you so keen for everyone to move on?".

This is not debate you refer to but petty squabbling for political point scoring.

There is a constant referral to the coming elections etc. if this is not political then what is it.

Why not just accept what the Standards Committee have stated and get on with life.

Not everyone is offended in quite the same way that you appear to be.
BeardyBill, you ask "Why are you so keen for everyone to move on?". This is not debate you refer to but petty squabbling for political point scoring. There is a constant referral to the coming elections etc. if this is not political then what is it. Why not just accept what the Standards Committee have stated and get on with life. Not everyone is offended in quite the same way that you appear to be. trolley dolley
  • Score: -10

3:22pm Sun 13 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

trolley dolley wrote:
BeardyBill, you ask "Why are you so keen for everyone to move on?".

This is not debate you refer to but petty squabbling for political point scoring.

There is a constant referral to the coming elections etc. if this is not political then what is it.

Why not just accept what the Standards Committee have stated and get on with life.

Not everyone is offended in quite the same way that you appear to be.
Actually I think there has been quite a healthy debate, and the evidence from this site is that more people condemn Martin than support him. My position is NOT party political, I would be equally appalled whoever spouted forth such nonsense, but it was made party political by the Tories on the Council putting party loyalty over what is right for the people of Swindon. That disappoints me.

If he had either resigned or been sacked months ago, perhaps people would have a different view, but the fact is he delayed and prevaricated, simply to hold on to his job. That disgusts me.

Why do you feel the need to be Martin's apologist? Do you agree with his sentiments, or are you blindly loyal to the Tory party? Which is it?
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: BeardyBill, you ask "Why are you so keen for everyone to move on?". This is not debate you refer to but petty squabbling for political point scoring. There is a constant referral to the coming elections etc. if this is not political then what is it. Why not just accept what the Standards Committee have stated and get on with life. Not everyone is offended in quite the same way that you appear to be.[/p][/quote]Actually I think there has been quite a healthy debate, and the evidence from this site is that more people condemn Martin than support him. My position is NOT party political, I would be equally appalled whoever spouted forth such nonsense, but it was made party political by the Tories on the Council putting party loyalty over what is right for the people of Swindon. That disappoints me. If he had either resigned or been sacked months ago, perhaps people would have a different view, but the fact is he delayed and prevaricated, simply to hold on to his job. That disgusts me. Why do you feel the need to be Martin's apologist? Do you agree with his sentiments, or are you blindly loyal to the Tory party? Which is it? BeardyBill
  • Score: 7

5:43pm Sun 13 Apr 14

ChаnnelX says...

Please let's just move on. It's becoming deeply embarrassing for us.
Please let's just move on. It's becoming deeply embarrassing for us. ChаnnelX
  • Score: -9

5:59pm Sun 13 Apr 14

trolley dolley says...

My thoughts entirely
My thoughts entirely trolley dolley
  • Score: -10

6:40pm Sun 13 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

channel x would want to move on, its his party that need a kick up the bum 400 k given away for wifi and now they have given another £234k to uk broadband and nothing to show for it, did you vote for this channel x..
channel x would want to move on, its his party that need a kick up the bum 400 k given away for wifi and now they have given another £234k to uk broadband and nothing to show for it, did you vote for this channel x.. FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 6

8:01pm Sun 13 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

ChаnnelX wrote:
Please let's just move on. It's becoming deeply embarrassing for us.
Perhaps people will move on when Martin does a Maria Miller and falls on his sword..... By the way, straight answer to a straight question - are you a Tory Councillor?
[quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: Please let's just move on. It's becoming deeply embarrassing for us.[/p][/quote]Perhaps people will move on when Martin does a Maria Miller and falls on his sword..... By the way, straight answer to a straight question - are you a Tory Councillor? BeardyBill
  • Score: 5

8:35pm Sun 13 Apr 14

timt1964 says...

BeardyBill wrote:
timt1964 wrote:
Tramadolt wrote:
Its not so much words as their context and the attitudes they consequently demonstrate which causes offence. They can be very revealing about the mindset and ethics of the people who use them.
no,youre wrong.its the mindset of the offended is what makes the uk today the wishy washy blame culture it is.people used to take it rather than be up in arms about the slightest little thing.even the f word is actually a group of letters which mean other words so is not as "offensive" as you may think.proof that people who think they know it all actually dont.
Oh dear, the ramblings of a disturbed child....bless.

When you make points like "even the f word is actually a group of letters", how can the rest of us fault your logic...you truly are a master of rational argument, wit and repartee. No, actually you are just a bellend.
im a fully grown mature person that has his OWN opinion.in fact im probably older and wiser than you.if you cant take a different view of a situation then you are like all the other narrow minded sheep who exist today.you dont understand my point so resort to petty minded comments and insults.proof that you are beaten.
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]timt1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tramadolt[/bold] wrote: Its not so much words as their context and the attitudes they consequently demonstrate which causes offence. They can be very revealing about the mindset and ethics of the people who use them.[/p][/quote]no,youre wrong.its the mindset of the offended is what makes the uk today the wishy washy blame culture it is.people used to take it rather than be up in arms about the slightest little thing.even the f word is actually a group of letters which mean other words so is not as "offensive" as you may think.proof that people who think they know it all actually dont.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, the ramblings of a disturbed child....bless. When you make points like "even the f word is actually a group of letters", how can the rest of us fault your logic...you truly are a master of rational argument, wit and repartee. No, actually you are just a bellend.[/p][/quote]im a fully grown mature person that has his OWN opinion.in fact im probably older and wiser than you.if you cant take a different view of a situation then you are like all the other narrow minded sheep who exist today.you dont understand my point so resort to petty minded comments and insults.proof that you are beaten. timt1964
  • Score: -6

8:47pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Davey Gravey says...

I think Mayor Martin is trolley Dolly.
I'd like to hear more from CHANNELx. He has been comedy gold in this topic.
I think Mayor Martin is trolley Dolly. I'd like to hear more from CHANNELx. He has been comedy gold in this topic. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 4

9:36pm Sun 13 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

timt1964 wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
timt1964 wrote:
Tramadolt wrote:
Its not so much words as their context and the attitudes they consequently demonstrate which causes offence. They can be very revealing about the mindset and ethics of the people who use them.
no,youre wrong.its the mindset of the offended is what makes the uk today the wishy washy blame culture it is.people used to take it rather than be up in arms about the slightest little thing.even the f word is actually a group of letters which mean other words so is not as "offensive" as you may think.proof that people who think they know it all actually dont.
Oh dear, the ramblings of a disturbed child....bless.

When you make points like "even the f word is actually a group of letters", how can the rest of us fault your logic...you truly are a master of rational argument, wit and repartee. No, actually you are just a bellend.
im a fully grown mature person that has his OWN opinion.in fact im probably older and wiser than you.if you cant take a different view of a situation then you are like all the other narrow minded sheep who exist today.you dont understand my point so resort to petty minded comments and insults.proof that you are beaten.
Older but not wiser. Wisdom is when you have an opinion, but can change and adapt in the light of evidence. You however, state your opinions as facts, and get a bit ranty when people don't agree with you. Using phrases such as wishy-washy blame culture suggests to me that you are an elderly Daily Mail reader, who feels lost and a little bit scared in the modern world. That fear is fed on by the Tories and UKIPers - they want to keep you scared so you vote for them, it's a way of keeping you in your place.

I don't understand your point, because you put it over so poorly. Any insults are born out of frustration, rather than being beaten - I want to argue with you, I want to take a different view of a situation, but you have to argue your case, not simply say something is the way it is.
[quote][p][bold]timt1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]timt1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tramadolt[/bold] wrote: Its not so much words as their context and the attitudes they consequently demonstrate which causes offence. They can be very revealing about the mindset and ethics of the people who use them.[/p][/quote]no,youre wrong.its the mindset of the offended is what makes the uk today the wishy washy blame culture it is.people used to take it rather than be up in arms about the slightest little thing.even the f word is actually a group of letters which mean other words so is not as "offensive" as you may think.proof that people who think they know it all actually dont.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, the ramblings of a disturbed child....bless. When you make points like "even the f word is actually a group of letters", how can the rest of us fault your logic...you truly are a master of rational argument, wit and repartee. No, actually you are just a bellend.[/p][/quote]im a fully grown mature person that has his OWN opinion.in fact im probably older and wiser than you.if you cant take a different view of a situation then you are like all the other narrow minded sheep who exist today.you dont understand my point so resort to petty minded comments and insults.proof that you are beaten.[/p][/quote]Older but not wiser. Wisdom is when you have an opinion, but can change and adapt in the light of evidence. You however, state your opinions as facts, and get a bit ranty when people don't agree with you. Using phrases such as wishy-washy blame culture suggests to me that you are an elderly Daily Mail reader, who feels lost and a little bit scared in the modern world. That fear is fed on by the Tories and UKIPers - they want to keep you scared so you vote for them, it's a way of keeping you in your place. I don't understand your point, because you put it over so poorly. Any insults are born out of frustration, rather than being beaten - I want to argue with you, I want to take a different view of a situation, but you have to argue your case, not simply say something is the way it is. BeardyBill
  • Score: 3

9:54pm Sun 13 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

just move on and let this one go, its the elections next month and channel x and co have protected martin for so long now, its over, but not the elections so get them out...
just move on and let this one go, its the elections next month and channel x and co have protected martin for so long now, its over, but not the elections so get them out... FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: -7

8:29am Mon 14 Apr 14

ChаnnelX says...

BeardyBill wrote:
ChаnnelX wrote:
Please let's just move on. It's becoming deeply embarrassing for us.
Perhaps people will move on when Martin does a Maria Miller and falls on his sword..... By the way, straight answer to a straight question - are you a Tory Councillor?
You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment.
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: Please let's just move on. It's becoming deeply embarrassing for us.[/p][/quote]Perhaps people will move on when Martin does a Maria Miller and falls on his sword..... By the way, straight answer to a straight question - are you a Tory Councillor?[/p][/quote]You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment. ChаnnelX
  • Score: -7

8:40am Mon 14 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

ChаnnelX wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
ChаnnelX wrote:
Please let's just move on. It's becoming deeply embarrassing for us.
Perhaps people will move on when Martin does a Maria Miller and falls on his sword..... By the way, straight answer to a straight question - are you a Tory Councillor?
You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment.
Don't be a dick, you are not Franis Urquhart. I'm not saying anything, I'm simply asking a question.

Why are you being evasive? If you are a Councillor, is it not reasonable that your constituents are able to engage with you openly, and comments on here are as public as any other forum. I'm sure you don't canvas with a bag over your head, so why the mysterious cloak of anonymity here?

Straight question again - are you a Tory Councillor?
[quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: Please let's just move on. It's becoming deeply embarrassing for us.[/p][/quote]Perhaps people will move on when Martin does a Maria Miller and falls on his sword..... By the way, straight answer to a straight question - are you a Tory Councillor?[/p][/quote]You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment.[/p][/quote]Don't be a dick, you are not Franis Urquhart. I'm not saying anything, I'm simply asking a question. Why are you being evasive? If you are a Councillor, is it not reasonable that your constituents are able to engage with you openly, and comments on here are as public as any other forum. I'm sure you don't canvas with a bag over your head, so why the mysterious cloak of anonymity here? Straight question again - are you a Tory Councillor? BeardyBill
  • Score: 6

8:47am Mon 14 Apr 14

Wildwestener says...

trolley dolley wrote:
BeardyBill, you ask "Why are you so keen for everyone to move on?".

This is not debate you refer to but petty squabbling for political point scoring.

There is a constant referral to the coming elections etc. if this is not political then what is it.

Why not just accept what the Standards Committee have stated and get on with life.

Not everyone is offended in quite the same way that you appear to be.
It's not party political to want rid of a nasty, offensive person from the role of Mayor. It's not party political to want our Mayor not to act completely unacceptably towards our fellow citizens/residents and not discriminate against any of them.

It's not party political to want this embarrassment to our town gone from public office.

I live in west Swindon and Martin is my councillor as is Perkins. Perkins didn't support Martin over this so has a chance of my vote and Martin, or anyone else who backed him has none. Neither has his poor wife in this year's elections and that is solely because of him.
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: BeardyBill, you ask "Why are you so keen for everyone to move on?". This is not debate you refer to but petty squabbling for political point scoring. There is a constant referral to the coming elections etc. if this is not political then what is it. Why not just accept what the Standards Committee have stated and get on with life. Not everyone is offended in quite the same way that you appear to be.[/p][/quote]It's not party political to want rid of a nasty, offensive person from the role of Mayor. It's not party political to want our Mayor not to act completely unacceptably towards our fellow citizens/residents and not discriminate against any of them. It's not party political to want this embarrassment to our town gone from public office. I live in west Swindon and Martin is my councillor as is Perkins. Perkins didn't support Martin over this so has a chance of my vote and Martin, or anyone else who backed him has none. Neither has his poor wife in this year's elections and that is solely because of him. Wildwestener
  • Score: 7

2:10pm Mon 14 Apr 14

trolley dolley says...

Wildwestener, if you live in West Swindon you will not be able to vote for Gary Perkins. He is not standing in West Swindon.

As for all this not being political, you must be joking.

BeardyBill, you want to know who ChannelX is well maybe you should say who you are as a bit of encouragement.
Wildwestener, if you live in West Swindon you will not be able to vote for Gary Perkins. He is not standing in West Swindon. As for all this not being political, you must be joking. BeardyBill, you want to know who ChannelX is well maybe you should say who you are as a bit of encouragement. trolley dolley
  • Score: -6

2:21pm Mon 14 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

trolley dolley wrote:
Wildwestener, if you live in West Swindon you will not be able to vote for Gary Perkins. He is not standing in West Swindon.

As for all this not being political, you must be joking.

BeardyBill, you want to know who ChannelX is well maybe you should say who you are as a bit of encouragement.
@trolly dolly - who I am is largely irrelevant. I'm just a normal bloke in the street. I'm not representing anyone, I'm not seeking votes, I'm not putting myself in the position of being an elected representative.

Once you are in that position, I don't believe it is proper or ethical to make public comments anonymously. If you are in that position, the voters have a right to know what your opinion is on a particular issue, so they can engage in discussion, and ultimately, express their view through the ballot box.

If ChannelX (or any other contributor on here for that matter) is a Councillor, I believe he has a duty to be open, transparent, and declare it. This is a public a forum as standing in the council chamber.
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: Wildwestener, if you live in West Swindon you will not be able to vote for Gary Perkins. He is not standing in West Swindon. As for all this not being political, you must be joking. BeardyBill, you want to know who ChannelX is well maybe you should say who you are as a bit of encouragement.[/p][/quote]@trolly dolly - who I am is largely irrelevant. I'm just a normal bloke in the street. I'm not representing anyone, I'm not seeking votes, I'm not putting myself in the position of being an elected representative. Once you are in that position, I don't believe it is proper or ethical to make public comments anonymously. If you are in that position, the voters have a right to know what your opinion is on a particular issue, so they can engage in discussion, and ultimately, express their view through the ballot box. If ChannelX (or any other contributor on here for that matter) is a Councillor, I believe he has a duty to be open, transparent, and declare it. This is a public a forum as standing in the council chamber. BeardyBill
  • Score: 5

5:22pm Mon 14 Apr 14

anyopinion says...

Nick Martin made immoral comments towards other human beings, and for this exact reason, he is an incompetent mayor and must go!!!!
If he was just another ordinary dubious human being then he could be entitled to his own opinions, but as a Swindon representative he has let us down big time...Therefore he should go and fast... to save himself and his family further humiliation.
Nick Martin made immoral comments towards other human beings, and for this exact reason, he is an incompetent mayor and must go!!!! If he was just another ordinary dubious human being then he could be entitled to his own opinions, but as a Swindon representative he has let us down big time...Therefore he should go and fast... to save himself and his family further humiliation. anyopinion
  • Score: 5

6:08pm Mon 14 Apr 14

stratton man says...

I cant believe the odieous Mayor is still refusing to resign.Does he have no sense of decency how can he think he represents the decent people of Swindon who find his views apbhorent .The only people he represents are the proven liar channelx and trolleydolly.The retention of Martin on the Council diminishes the credibility of the whole Council and the town.
I cant believe the odieous Mayor is still refusing to resign.Does he have no sense of decency how can he think he represents the decent people of Swindon who find his views apbhorent .The only people he represents are the proven liar channelx and trolleydolly.The retention of Martin on the Council diminishes the credibility of the whole Council and the town. stratton man
  • Score: 7

8:31pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Blackwell 2 says...

Trolley Dolly and ChannelX are the same person
Trolley Dolly and ChannelX are the same person Blackwell 2
  • Score: 3

9:47pm Mon 14 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

donkey comes to mind channel x......
donkey comes to mind channel x...... FLOGGITLAD
  • Score: 2

7:14pm Tue 15 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

So, Martin has finally done the right thing....late, and without a hint of grace in his resignation, but it's still a start. Shame he's clinging on as a Councillor, and no sign of having the Tory whip withdrawn.

The silence from ChannelX is deafening.....are you going to out yourself?
So, Martin has finally done the right thing....late, and without a hint of grace in his resignation, but it's still a start. Shame he's clinging on as a Councillor, and no sign of having the Tory whip withdrawn. The silence from ChannelX is deafening.....are you going to out yourself? BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

9:15pm Tue 15 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

What do you reckon the chances are of getting to the magic 100 comments, before the Adver pull the plug? To make it fair, I won't post any more UNLESS it's in response to a new comment......
What do you reckon the chances are of getting to the magic 100 comments, before the Adver pull the plug? To make it fair, I won't post any more UNLESS it's in response to a new comment...... BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

11:05am Thu 17 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
It's always a bit suspicious when people take such apparent huge offence on behalf of others.

It's also amusing when people bemoan the current state of this country where 'nobody's allowed to say anything anymore' - and then exacerbate that problem when they think they have something to gain from doing so.

He used a WORD, not even a particularly offensive one, and has apologised. Get over it.

Swindon deserves better than Better Swindon.
Who do you think you are to say who is allowed to take offense and who isnt?

Your suggestion is that there are words people are allowed to be upset by and some that in your opinion should not be based on your opinion.
There are a great number of examples on this web page of you getting all upset over descriptions of you.....a little pot kettle black?

It is the attitude as well as the word looking at people as second class or worse the fact that he thought no one would find out only made it worse. He only offered a pathetic excuse of an apology after attempts to weasel his way out of it.
He and his associates obviously deem this language acceptable when describing other people who are vulnerable, to be on a board who has influence over things that directly effect other people lives.
If you are in a position of responsibility the minimum is that you treat people with respect.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: It's always a bit suspicious when people take such apparent huge offence on behalf of others. It's also amusing when people bemoan the current state of this country where 'nobody's allowed to say anything anymore' - and then exacerbate that problem when they think they have something to gain from doing so. He used a WORD, not even a particularly offensive one, and has apologised. Get over it. Swindon deserves better than Better Swindon.[/p][/quote]Who do you think you are to say who is allowed to take offense and who isnt? Your suggestion is that there are words people are allowed to be upset by and some that in your opinion should not be based on your opinion. There are a great number of examples on this web page of you getting all upset over descriptions of you.....a little pot kettle black? It is the attitude as well as the word looking at people as second class or worse the fact that he thought no one would find out only made it worse. He only offered a pathetic excuse of an apology after attempts to weasel his way out of it. He and his associates obviously deem this language acceptable when describing other people who are vulnerable, to be on a board who has influence over things that directly effect other people lives. If you are in a position of responsibility the minimum is that you treat people with respect. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

11:37am Thu 17 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

If this wasnt so sad it would be funny.

Some pathetic excuses for something that is indefensible surely Mr Martin needs to resign all positions / seats that he occupies but will try and hang in as long as possible. Personally I have no issue with that as it will just make him look worse and maybe even turn up some more issues. Highlighting the point that this group of fools believe that their actions are beyond question.

The fact they are blaming the person for reporting Mr Martin`s disgraceful attitude really shows how these people work. Everyone else only serves to pay taxes and provide positions of power after that.
Would it be possible to obtain a list of who else was at this meeting? Who else shares these views?
If this wasnt so sad it would be funny. Some pathetic excuses for something that is indefensible surely Mr Martin needs to resign all positions / seats that he occupies but will try and hang in as long as possible. Personally I have no issue with that as it will just make him look worse and maybe even turn up some more issues. Highlighting the point that this group of fools believe that their actions are beyond question. The fact they are blaming the person for reporting Mr Martin`s disgraceful attitude really shows how these people work. Everyone else only serves to pay taxes and provide positions of power after that. Would it be possible to obtain a list of who else was at this meeting? Who else shares these views? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor?

Cat got your tongue?
We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor? Cat got your tongue? BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

2:26pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

BeardyBill wrote:
We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor?

Cat got your tongue?
Have you been aware of the account before today???....
It wont happen as ever these ignorant fools really do believe it is one rule for us and no rules for them.

There will be a long silence and wait for a really important story about a pub they like and how his / there opinion is correct and anything else is not just wrong but idiotic.
As much as this story is awful it has shown people for what they are justifying Mr Martin`s views is the same as agreeing with him.
How do we the public obtain a list of who is at these meetings? minutes kept?
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor? Cat got your tongue?[/p][/quote]Have you been aware of the account before today???.... It wont happen as ever these ignorant fools really do believe it is one rule for us and no rules for them. There will be a long silence and wait for a really important story about a pub they like and how his / there opinion is correct and anything else is not just wrong but idiotic. As much as this story is awful it has shown people for what they are justifying Mr Martin`s views is the same as agreeing with him. How do we the public obtain a list of who is at these meetings? minutes kept? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Spurs Fan says...

Badgersgettheblame: you should be able to get minutes for meetings and attendance lists at the council from the Committee Section at the Civic Offices.

On the whole I think it is great the way the vast majority of commentators have voiced their opinions against former Mayor Martin. His apologists who try to justify his remarks have, I believe, been shown to be in a minority who do not know right from wrong. What really needs to happen now is for Cllr Martin to be thrown out of the local Tory Party.
Badgersgettheblame: you should be able to get minutes for meetings and attendance lists at the council from the Committee Section at the Civic Offices. On the whole I think it is great the way the vast majority of commentators have voiced their opinions against former Mayor Martin. His apologists who try to justify his remarks have, I believe, been shown to be in a minority who do not know right from wrong. What really needs to happen now is for Cllr Martin to be thrown out of the local Tory Party. Spurs Fan
  • Score: 1

2:56pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor?

Cat got your tongue?
Have you been aware of the account before today???....
It wont happen as ever these ignorant fools really do believe it is one rule for us and no rules for them.

There will be a long silence and wait for a really important story about a pub they like and how his / there opinion is correct and anything else is not just wrong but idiotic.
As much as this story is awful it has shown people for what they are justifying Mr Martin`s views is the same as agreeing with him.
How do we the public obtain a list of who is at these meetings? minutes kept?
Look on the SBC website, in the Council & Democracy section - there are minutes of meetings, but how accurately they reflect the meetings I don't know. Probably sanitised for public consumption.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor? Cat got your tongue?[/p][/quote]Have you been aware of the account before today???.... It wont happen as ever these ignorant fools really do believe it is one rule for us and no rules for them. There will be a long silence and wait for a really important story about a pub they like and how his / there opinion is correct and anything else is not just wrong but idiotic. As much as this story is awful it has shown people for what they are justifying Mr Martin`s views is the same as agreeing with him. How do we the public obtain a list of who is at these meetings? minutes kept?[/p][/quote]Look on the SBC website, in the Council & Democracy section - there are minutes of meetings, but how accurately they reflect the meetings I don't know. Probably sanitised for public consumption. BeardyBill
  • Score: 1

3:08pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Spurs Fan wrote:
Badgersgettheblame: you should be able to get minutes for meetings and attendance lists at the council from the Committee Section at the Civic Offices.

On the whole I think it is great the way the vast majority of commentators have voiced their opinions against former Mayor Martin. His apologists who try to justify his remarks have, I believe, been shown to be in a minority who do not know right from wrong. What really needs to happen now is for Cllr Martin to be thrown out of the local Tory Party.
Excellent, once I finish my current project I will have a look at that I am sure it will be interesting.
I have always said the majority of people in the town are great people whom I am proud to call friends and any country I ever go to I talk fondly of the town.

The minority do not know right from wrong because they are never held to account I hope this will be that start of accountability and public investigations. Like children they do not know they have done anything wrong until they are shown the error of their ways..
[quote][p][bold]Spurs Fan[/bold] wrote: Badgersgettheblame: you should be able to get minutes for meetings and attendance lists at the council from the Committee Section at the Civic Offices. On the whole I think it is great the way the vast majority of commentators have voiced their opinions against former Mayor Martin. His apologists who try to justify his remarks have, I believe, been shown to be in a minority who do not know right from wrong. What really needs to happen now is for Cllr Martin to be thrown out of the local Tory Party.[/p][/quote]Excellent, once I finish my current project I will have a look at that I am sure it will be interesting. I have always said the majority of people in the town are great people whom I am proud to call friends and any country I ever go to I talk fondly of the town. The minority do not know right from wrong because they are never held to account I hope this will be that start of accountability and public investigations. Like children they do not know they have done anything wrong until they are shown the error of their ways.. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

3:18pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

BeardyBill wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor?

Cat got your tongue?
Have you been aware of the account before today???....
It wont happen as ever these ignorant fools really do believe it is one rule for us and no rules for them.

There will be a long silence and wait for a really important story about a pub they like and how his / there opinion is correct and anything else is not just wrong but idiotic.
As much as this story is awful it has shown people for what they are justifying Mr Martin`s views is the same as agreeing with him.
How do we the public obtain a list of who is at these meetings? minutes kept?
Look on the SBC website, in the Council & Democracy section - there are minutes of meetings, but how accurately they reflect the meetings I don't know. Probably sanitised for public consumption.
Found the page thanks,
Oh I have no doubt it will of been vetted and cleaned for public viewing, it will show who was there and the agenda for the meeting.
It isnt always who is there more about who isnt arrogance on this level never clean up properly as the over riding thought is that the great unwashed have neither the application or ability.
Keep scratching and pull out every piece of information is it always the same councilors at same type of meetings?
When opinions are as vile as this it is always with the support of the group who else is in this group?
Is Mrs Martin looking to take a seat? Shouldnt we know that she is of better moral standing than her?
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor? Cat got your tongue?[/p][/quote]Have you been aware of the account before today???.... It wont happen as ever these ignorant fools really do believe it is one rule for us and no rules for them. There will be a long silence and wait for a really important story about a pub they like and how his / there opinion is correct and anything else is not just wrong but idiotic. As much as this story is awful it has shown people for what they are justifying Mr Martin`s views is the same as agreeing with him. How do we the public obtain a list of who is at these meetings? minutes kept?[/p][/quote]Look on the SBC website, in the Council & Democracy section - there are minutes of meetings, but how accurately they reflect the meetings I don't know. Probably sanitised for public consumption.[/p][/quote]Found the page thanks, Oh I have no doubt it will of been vetted and cleaned for public viewing, it will show who was there and the agenda for the meeting. It isnt always who is there more about who isnt arrogance on this level never clean up properly as the over riding thought is that the great unwashed have neither the application or ability. Keep scratching and pull out every piece of information is it always the same councilors at same type of meetings? When opinions are as vile as this it is always with the support of the group who else is in this group? Is Mrs Martin looking to take a seat? Shouldnt we know that she is of better moral standing than her? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

3:30pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor?

Cat got your tongue?
Have you been aware of the account before today???....
It wont happen as ever these ignorant fools really do believe it is one rule for us and no rules for them.

There will be a long silence and wait for a really important story about a pub they like and how his / there opinion is correct and anything else is not just wrong but idiotic.
As much as this story is awful it has shown people for what they are justifying Mr Martin`s views is the same as agreeing with him.
How do we the public obtain a list of who is at these meetings? minutes kept?
Look on the SBC website, in the Council & Democracy section - there are minutes of meetings, but how accurately they reflect the meetings I don't know. Probably sanitised for public consumption.
Found the page thanks,
Oh I have no doubt it will of been vetted and cleaned for public viewing, it will show who was there and the agenda for the meeting.
It isnt always who is there more about who isnt arrogance on this level never clean up properly as the over riding thought is that the great unwashed have neither the application or ability.
Keep scratching and pull out every piece of information is it always the same councilors at same type of meetings?
When opinions are as vile as this it is always with the support of the group who else is in this group?
Is Mrs Martin looking to take a seat? Shouldnt we know that she is of better moral standing than her?
Completely agree about the need for increased accountability, which is why I have a bee in my bonnet about possible anonymous posting by elected officials.

I hope some good has come out of this whole sorry affair, and that people are getting angry enough to start shaking things up a bit by asking questions and holding them to account.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor? Cat got your tongue?[/p][/quote]Have you been aware of the account before today???.... It wont happen as ever these ignorant fools really do believe it is one rule for us and no rules for them. There will be a long silence and wait for a really important story about a pub they like and how his / there opinion is correct and anything else is not just wrong but idiotic. As much as this story is awful it has shown people for what they are justifying Mr Martin`s views is the same as agreeing with him. How do we the public obtain a list of who is at these meetings? minutes kept?[/p][/quote]Look on the SBC website, in the Council & Democracy section - there are minutes of meetings, but how accurately they reflect the meetings I don't know. Probably sanitised for public consumption.[/p][/quote]Found the page thanks, Oh I have no doubt it will of been vetted and cleaned for public viewing, it will show who was there and the agenda for the meeting. It isnt always who is there more about who isnt arrogance on this level never clean up properly as the over riding thought is that the great unwashed have neither the application or ability. Keep scratching and pull out every piece of information is it always the same councilors at same type of meetings? When opinions are as vile as this it is always with the support of the group who else is in this group? Is Mrs Martin looking to take a seat? Shouldnt we know that she is of better moral standing than her?[/p][/quote]Completely agree about the need for increased accountability, which is why I have a bee in my bonnet about possible anonymous posting by elected officials. I hope some good has come out of this whole sorry affair, and that people are getting angry enough to start shaking things up a bit by asking questions and holding them to account. BeardyBill
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3:34pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Yay!!!! we've smashed the 100 barrier!!!

A fitting tribute to the ex-Mayor's stupidity :o)
Yay!!!! we've smashed the 100 barrier!!! A fitting tribute to the ex-Mayor's stupidity :o) BeardyBill
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4:32pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

BeardyBill wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
Badgersgetabadname wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor?

Cat got your tongue?
Have you been aware of the account before today???....
It wont happen as ever these ignorant fools really do believe it is one rule for us and no rules for them.

There will be a long silence and wait for a really important story about a pub they like and how his / there opinion is correct and anything else is not just wrong but idiotic.
As much as this story is awful it has shown people for what they are justifying Mr Martin`s views is the same as agreeing with him.
How do we the public obtain a list of who is at these meetings? minutes kept?
Look on the SBC website, in the Council & Democracy section - there are minutes of meetings, but how accurately they reflect the meetings I don't know. Probably sanitised for public consumption.
Found the page thanks,
Oh I have no doubt it will of been vetted and cleaned for public viewing, it will show who was there and the agenda for the meeting.
It isnt always who is there more about who isnt arrogance on this level never clean up properly as the over riding thought is that the great unwashed have neither the application or ability.
Keep scratching and pull out every piece of information is it always the same councilors at same type of meetings?
When opinions are as vile as this it is always with the support of the group who else is in this group?
Is Mrs Martin looking to take a seat? Shouldnt we know that she is of better moral standing than her?
Completely agree about the need for increased accountability, which is why I have a bee in my bonnet about possible anonymous posting by elected officials.

I hope some good has come out of this whole sorry affair, and that people are getting angry enough to start shaking things up a bit by asking questions and holding them to account.
I would like that but it wont.
While most are worried about day to day issues effecting family life etc...(quite rightly so).
The focus will come away until the next time.
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: We're edging towards to magic 100 comments, and still the un characteristic silence from ChannelX to the simple question I posed, is he a Tory councillor? Cat got your tongue?[/p][/quote]Have you been aware of the account before today???.... It wont happen as ever these ignorant fools really do believe it is one rule for us and no rules for them. There will be a long silence and wait for a really important story about a pub they like and how his / there opinion is correct and anything else is not just wrong but idiotic. As much as this story is awful it has shown people for what they are justifying Mr Martin`s views is the same as agreeing with him. How do we the public obtain a list of who is at these meetings? minutes kept?[/p][/quote]Look on the SBC website, in the Council & Democracy section - there are minutes of meetings, but how accurately they reflect the meetings I don't know. Probably sanitised for public consumption.[/p][/quote]Found the page thanks, Oh I have no doubt it will of been vetted and cleaned for public viewing, it will show who was there and the agenda for the meeting. It isnt always who is there more about who isnt arrogance on this level never clean up properly as the over riding thought is that the great unwashed have neither the application or ability. Keep scratching and pull out every piece of information is it always the same councilors at same type of meetings? When opinions are as vile as this it is always with the support of the group who else is in this group? Is Mrs Martin looking to take a seat? Shouldnt we know that she is of better moral standing than her?[/p][/quote]Completely agree about the need for increased accountability, which is why I have a bee in my bonnet about possible anonymous posting by elected officials. I hope some good has come out of this whole sorry affair, and that people are getting angry enough to start shaking things up a bit by asking questions and holding them to account.[/p][/quote]I would like that but it wont. While most are worried about day to day issues effecting family life etc...(quite rightly so). The focus will come away until the next time. Badgersgetabadname
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8:03pm Thu 17 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

now that he has admitted what he said, I wonder what the other colleagues think of the way they voted in the no confidence issue..
now that he has admitted what he said, I wonder what the other colleagues think of the way they voted in the no confidence issue.. FLOGGITLAD
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8:32pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

FLOGGITLAD wrote:
now that he has admitted what he said, I wonder what the other colleagues think of the way they voted in the no confidence issue..
Good question to ask them on the doorsteps next month
[quote][p][bold]FLOGGITLAD[/bold] wrote: now that he has admitted what he said, I wonder what the other colleagues think of the way they voted in the no confidence issue..[/p][/quote]Good question to ask them on the doorsteps next month BeardyBill
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8:36pm Thu 17 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

you can imagine asking his wife how she would have voted.........
you can imagine asking his wife how she would have voted......... FLOGGITLAD
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10:50pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

FLOGGITLAD wrote:
you can imagine asking his wife how she would have voted.........
A completely legit question for the good people of Shaw to ask....is there any public meetings planned before the local election?
[quote][p][bold]FLOGGITLAD[/bold] wrote: you can imagine asking his wife how she would have voted.........[/p][/quote]A completely legit question for the good people of Shaw to ask....is there any public meetings planned before the local election? BeardyBill
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12:10pm Fri 18 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

Well, they say a week is a long time in politics, and this sorry affair proves it. It's certainly opened my eyes to the pretty p*ss poor attitudes held by some of our Councillors, and even motivated me to get more politically active, rather than just sitting back and not taking part.

Still radio silence from ChannelX on the is he/isn't he question, but I have a gut feeling that the appropriateness of elected officials posting under pseudonyms is a genie that ain't going back in the bottle.....FOI request to the Council after Easter I reckon :o)
Well, they say a week is a long time in politics, and this sorry affair proves it. It's certainly opened my eyes to the pretty p*ss poor attitudes held by some of our Councillors, and even motivated me to get more politically active, rather than just sitting back and not taking part. Still radio silence from ChannelX on the is he/isn't he question, but I have a gut feeling that the appropriateness of elected officials posting under pseudonyms is a genie that ain't going back in the bottle.....FOI request to the Council after Easter I reckon :o) BeardyBill
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5:49pm Fri 18 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

It is the intention to hold a 'meet the candidates' night soon at shaw centre, will post news if it gets off the ground.. channel x has been turned off by his masters....
It is the intention to hold a 'meet the candidates' night soon at shaw centre, will post news if it gets off the ground.. channel x has been turned off by his masters.... FLOGGITLAD
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7:13pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

This may be an odd question but I dont always understand internety stuff.
This is 110 comments long but not on the most commented section?

Meet and greet would be a great idea I think any prospective or existing councilor would welcome this chance to hear from the people and get a feel for the needs.....sorry never mind.
The ones that actually care would turn up.

ChanX doesnt need input from anyone else his own extensive "life experience" taught him everything he needed to know by 1972 all information since then is useless.

Cant wait for next story he (they) comment on I foresee a massive over reaction.
This may be an odd question but I dont always understand internety stuff. This is 110 comments long but not on the most commented section? Meet and greet would be a great idea I think any prospective or existing councilor would welcome this chance to hear from the people and get a feel for the needs.....sorry never mind. The ones that actually care would turn up. ChanX doesnt need input from anyone else his own extensive "life experience" taught him everything he needed to know by 1972 all information since then is useless. Cant wait for next story he (they) comment on I foresee a massive over reaction. Badgersgetabadname
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10:23pm Fri 18 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

FLOGGITLAD wrote:
It is the intention to hold a 'meet the candidates' night soon at shaw centre, will post news if it gets off the ground.. channel x has been turned off by his masters....
Excellent! As long as there is opportunity to ask questions from the floor - sounds like potential to be a good night out - Swindons very own Jeremy Kyle show / question time mash-up.

I'm sure ChannelX and the rest of the posters living in the dim and distant past will thoroughly approve....think of it like bear-bating, just a bit less hairy
[quote][p][bold]FLOGGITLAD[/bold] wrote: It is the intention to hold a 'meet the candidates' night soon at shaw centre, will post news if it gets off the ground.. channel x has been turned off by his masters....[/p][/quote]Excellent! As long as there is opportunity to ask questions from the floor - sounds like potential to be a good night out - Swindons very own Jeremy Kyle show / question time mash-up. I'm sure ChannelX and the rest of the posters living in the dim and distant past will thoroughly approve....think of it like bear-bating, just a bit less hairy BeardyBill
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5:20am Sun 20 Apr 14

Richard Symonds says...

BeardyBill wrote:
FLOGGITLAD wrote:
and remember from day one, he said he didnt say any such thing, or ask that councillor to leave his room. he is a disgrace and so are you channelx for standing up for him..
I didn't realise Council meetings were so Spikey - I just imagined a bunch of self-important people spouting forth rubbish as they like the sound of their own voices.

I'll have to along and have a look - could be an evenings entertainment.
Hi Beardy,

If you want to see Council in all its raw form have a look at www.talkswindon.org go to the home page and scroll down to Politics Swindon and Westminster and click on Video Box. Council last September should show you how it operates and what goes on in your name!!
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FLOGGITLAD[/bold] wrote: and remember from day one, he said he didnt say any such thing, or ask that councillor to leave his room. he is a disgrace and so are you channelx for standing up for him..[/p][/quote]I didn't realise Council meetings were so Spikey - I just imagined a bunch of self-important people spouting forth rubbish as they like the sound of their own voices. I'll have to along and have a look - could be an evenings entertainment.[/p][/quote]Hi Beardy, If you want to see Council in all its raw form have a look at www.talkswindon.org go to the home page and scroll down to Politics Swindon and Westminster and click on Video Box. Council last September should show you how it operates and what goes on in your name!! Richard Symonds
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5:32am Sun 20 Apr 14

Richard Symonds says...

LordAshOfTheBrake wrote:
somwal25 wrote:
there is no point cllr martin standing down as the council will if not all ready been dissolved ready for the local elections, and his term of office as mayor ends next month.the question that should be asked why did the standards committee take so long in deciding what to do. one can only think due to the timing they left it until the last meeting before the local elections as they could not leave it for the new council.
Why do you think the council will be disolved?

At the elections in May only 1/3rd of the seats are up for election and it is those councillors that polled 3rd place in their wards. If I remember correctly Nick Martin came 1st or 2nd in his ward, so he will not be up for re-election until next year or the year after.
He came second to Transport Leisure Lead Member Keith Williams so he is up for election in 2015 ie next year, that is assuming that the Conservative Party don't do to him what he did to Doug Stewart and Garry Perkins and that is de select him!!
[quote][p][bold]LordAshOfTheBrake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]somwal25[/bold] wrote: there is no point cllr martin standing down as the council will if not all ready been dissolved ready for the local elections, and his term of office as mayor ends next month.the question that should be asked why did the standards committee take so long in deciding what to do. one can only think due to the timing they left it until the last meeting before the local elections as they could not leave it for the new council.[/p][/quote]Why do you think the council will be disolved? At the elections in May only 1/3rd of the seats are up for election and it is those councillors that polled 3rd place in their wards. If I remember correctly Nick Martin came 1st or 2nd in his ward, so he will not be up for re-election until next year or the year after.[/p][/quote]He came second to Transport Leisure Lead Member Keith Williams so he is up for election in 2015 ie next year, that is assuming that the Conservative Party don't do to him what he did to Doug Stewart and Garry Perkins and that is de select him!! Richard Symonds
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5:39am Sun 20 Apr 14

Richard Symonds says...

Wildwestener wrote:
I woke up this morning expecting him to have resigned. Well, perhaps not expecting, hoping a shred of decency may have pushed him to it. Disappointed to find he hasn't. He is one of my ward Councillors, anyone know if it's possible to get him sacked or do we really have to wait another year or two to kick him out.
Didn't he resign so he could campaign in Shaw for his wife Mary to join him as Councillor for Shaw?

and this all helps me in my campaign as an INDPENDENT candidate in Shaw. Nick has become his own unique selling point!!

Personally I do not believe that people from the same household should be Councillors in the same ward. If you have a personal issue with one of them it will be the same with the other!
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: I woke up this morning expecting him to have resigned. Well, perhaps not expecting, hoping a shred of decency may have pushed him to it. Disappointed to find he hasn't. He is one of my ward Councillors, anyone know if it's possible to get him sacked or do we really have to wait another year or two to kick him out.[/p][/quote]Didn't he resign so he could campaign in Shaw for his wife Mary to join him as Councillor for Shaw? and this all helps me in my campaign as an INDPENDENT candidate in Shaw. Nick has become his own unique selling point!! Personally I do not believe that people from the same household should be Councillors in the same ward. If you have a personal issue with one of them it will be the same with the other! Richard Symonds
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5:39am Sun 20 Apr 14

Richard Symonds says...

Wildwestener wrote:
I woke up this morning expecting him to have resigned. Well, perhaps not expecting, hoping a shred of decency may have pushed him to it. Disappointed to find he hasn't. He is one of my ward Councillors, anyone know if it's possible to get him sacked or do we really have to wait another year or two to kick him out.
Didn't he resign so he could campaign in Shaw for his wife Mary to join him as Councillor for Shaw?

and this all helps me in my campaign as an INDPENDENT candidate in Shaw. Nick has become his own unique selling point!!

Personally I do not believe that people from the same household should be Councillors in the same ward. If you have a personal issue with one of them it will be the same with the other!
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: I woke up this morning expecting him to have resigned. Well, perhaps not expecting, hoping a shred of decency may have pushed him to it. Disappointed to find he hasn't. He is one of my ward Councillors, anyone know if it's possible to get him sacked or do we really have to wait another year or two to kick him out.[/p][/quote]Didn't he resign so he could campaign in Shaw for his wife Mary to join him as Councillor for Shaw? and this all helps me in my campaign as an INDPENDENT candidate in Shaw. Nick has become his own unique selling point!! Personally I do not believe that people from the same household should be Councillors in the same ward. If you have a personal issue with one of them it will be the same with the other! Richard Symonds
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5:44am Sun 20 Apr 14

Richard Symonds says...

house on the hill wrote:
A friend of mine had the misfortune to meet him and said he was one of those men who made you wasn't to go and have a wash after meeting you! Not a nice man, a typical slimy politician who believes his office makes him more important. He should have gone a long time ago, he just drags the town down and that is saying something!
I met a Lady in Shaw this weekend who answered her door one evening to be greeted by Councillor Martin and told him she was entertaining and that they were eating dinner at which point he accused her of being 'rude'.

I don't think that particular family will be voting martin on May 22nd!!
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: A friend of mine had the misfortune to meet him and said he was one of those men who made you wasn't to go and have a wash after meeting you! Not a nice man, a typical slimy politician who believes his office makes him more important. He should have gone a long time ago, he just drags the town down and that is saying something![/p][/quote]I met a Lady in Shaw this weekend who answered her door one evening to be greeted by Councillor Martin and told him she was entertaining and that they were eating dinner at which point he accused her of being 'rude'. I don't think that particular family will be voting martin on May 22nd!! Richard Symonds
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6:02am Sun 20 Apr 14

Richard Symonds says...

ChаnnelX wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
ChаnnelX wrote:
Please let's just move on. It's becoming deeply embarrassing for us.
Perhaps people will move on when Martin does a Maria Miller and falls on his sword..... By the way, straight answer to a straight question - are you a Tory Councillor?
You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment.
Now I do know a Councillor who frequently uses that phrase when he doesn't want to be pinned down!!

Incidentally are you the Trolley Dolly joined at the hip?

and maybe you are not up for election this time but is the Doll?
[quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChаnnelX[/bold] wrote: Please let's just move on. It's becoming deeply embarrassing for us.[/p][/quote]Perhaps people will move on when Martin does a Maria Miller and falls on his sword..... By the way, straight answer to a straight question - are you a Tory Councillor?[/p][/quote]You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment.[/p][/quote]Now I do know a Councillor who frequently uses that phrase when he doesn't want to be pinned down!! Incidentally are you the Trolley Dolly joined at the hip? and maybe you are not up for election this time but is the Doll? Richard Symonds
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11:28am Sun 20 Apr 14

Richard Symonds says...

BeardyBill wrote:
FLOGGITLAD wrote:
It is the intention to hold a 'meet the candidates' night soon at shaw centre, will post news if it gets off the ground.. channel x has been turned off by his masters....
Excellent! As long as there is opportunity to ask questions from the floor - sounds like potential to be a good night out - Swindons very own Jeremy Kyle show / question time mash-up.

I'm sure ChannelX and the rest of the posters living in the dim and distant past will thoroughly approve....think of it like bear-bating, just a bit less hairy
I am up for it but I doubt if the Martins' will be!!

Mary will have to find time in her busy working schedule.
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FLOGGITLAD[/bold] wrote: It is the intention to hold a 'meet the candidates' night soon at shaw centre, will post news if it gets off the ground.. channel x has been turned off by his masters....[/p][/quote]Excellent! As long as there is opportunity to ask questions from the floor - sounds like potential to be a good night out - Swindons very own Jeremy Kyle show / question time mash-up. I'm sure ChannelX and the rest of the posters living in the dim and distant past will thoroughly approve....think of it like bear-bating, just a bit less hairy[/p][/quote]I am up for it but I doubt if the Martins' will be!! Mary will have to find time in her busy working schedule. Richard Symonds
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2:46pm Sun 20 Apr 14

FLOGGITLAD says...

who knows, but if she was elected, then shaw would have two away councillors who do the business on the weekends as they are either up country or out of the country for the rest of the week..
who knows, but if she was elected, then shaw would have two away councillors who do the business on the weekends as they are either up country or out of the country for the rest of the week.. FLOGGITLAD
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