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FIREFIGHTERS in England, Scotland and Wales will take part in further industrial action over pensions, the Fire Brigades Union has announced.

English and Welsh firefighters will strike on Friday, 2 May, between noon and 5pm; Saturday, May 3, between 2pm and 2am; and Sunday, May 4, between 10am and 3pm.

There will also be a ban on voluntary overtime across England and Wales from 3pm on Sunday, May 4, until noon on Friday, May 9.

Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “After three years of negotiations and an intense four months presenting an indisputable, evidence-based case for the need to ensure a pension scheme that takes into account the unique occupation of firefighting, the government is still burying its head in the sand.

“Several members of government were only too keen to praise firefighters during the winter floods, but their words amount to nothing when they simultaneously ignore issues that threaten the future of firefighters and their families.

“Nevertheless, we remain totally committed to resolving the dispute through negotiation, and are ready to meet to consider a workable proposal as soon as possible.”

Negotiations between the FBU and the Department for Communities and Local Government — as well as the devolved governments — have been taking place for three years, and since the last strike on January 3, both the union and government have undertaken work examining financial, technical and legal issues.

Following the last meeting of the union’s executive council on April 9 and 10, the union wrote to the minister saying that if they hadn’t received any proposals by April 24, they would conclude that the government was unwilling or unable to offer any improvement.

In a letter dated April 23, the Westminster fire minister, Brandon Lewis, commended the way in which the union had engaged with government on several fronts but did not present any new proposals.

As a result, at a meeting yesterday the union’s executive council unanimously decided to take further industrial action.

At a recent meeting Treasury officials confirmed that that there is no central government obstacle to new proposals from the DCLG.

Over recent weeks the FBU has met with ACAS, the organisation devoted to preventing and resolving employment disputes, where union officials outlined their concerns and frustration with the lack of any progress.

The FBU said that though during negotiations the Westminster fire minister assured firefighters that he would seek to address the threat of firefighters being sacked merely for getting older, there has been no change in the government’s position.

Recently, the FBU said it corrected the minister’s claims in the House of Commons that the union had never sought to protect its members from pension changes.

While negotiations were continuing, the government imposed a third annual increase in firefighters’ pension contributions, taking them to 14.2 per cent for most firefighters, one of the highest in the public or private sector, and issued proposals for a fourth year increase for many.

In August last year, firefighters voted by 78 per cent for strike action.

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4:58pm Thu 24 Apr 14

stfcdod says...

Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?
Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this? stfcdod
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5:01pm Thu 24 Apr 14

King Doink says...

How much sympathy do these guys get?? I'm sure if teachers announced another strike bedlam would set in here!!
Anyway I'm with you guys, you all do an amazing job!! Just hope it gets you somewhere.
How much sympathy do these guys get?? I'm sure if teachers announced another strike bedlam would set in here!! Anyway I'm with you guys, you all do an amazing job!! Just hope it gets you somewhere. King Doink
  • Score: -1

5:59pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Dave1764 says...

stfcdod wrote:
Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?
It's not about being greedy. It's about getting what we have paid for! Maybe you should pop in to your local fire station And get the full story face to face rather than just having an opinion after reading the governments spin on it in the media?
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?[/p][/quote]It's not about being greedy. It's about getting what we have paid for! Maybe you should pop in to your local fire station And get the full story face to face rather than just having an opinion after reading the governments spin on it in the media? Dave1764
  • Score: -3

9:00pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Dave1764 wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?
It's not about being greedy. It's about getting what we have paid for! Maybe you should pop in to your local fire station And get the full story face to face rather than just having an opinion after reading the governments spin on it in the media?
You 'paid' for the generous provisions provided by your final salary pensions, did you?

How did you do that, since private companies (you know, institutions who work on profit and loss) realised decades ago that final salary pension schemes were financially non-viable (even when their employees retired at 65)?

I suppose you also think that all your National Insurance payments go into a big investment fund for you!

Would the words 'taxpayer' and 'cash-cow' come into your financial calculations anywhere?
[quote][p][bold]Dave1764[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?[/p][/quote]It's not about being greedy. It's about getting what we have paid for! Maybe you should pop in to your local fire station And get the full story face to face rather than just having an opinion after reading the governments spin on it in the media?[/p][/quote]You 'paid' for the generous provisions provided by your final salary pensions, did you? How did you do that, since private companies (you know, institutions who work on profit and loss) realised decades ago that final salary pension schemes were financially non-viable (even when their employees retired at 65)? I suppose you also think that all your National Insurance payments go into a big investment fund for you! Would the words 'taxpayer' and 'cash-cow' come into your financial calculations anywhere? Phantom Poster
  • Score: 2

9:00pm Thu 24 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

stfcdod wrote:
Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?
£50 grand pension? I doubt it......what evidence are you basing this on?I

Don't know about you, but if my family are ever trapped in a burning building and at severe risk of death, I don't want some geriatric old duffer trying to rescue them. I want people who are young and fit enough to do the job properly. Seems entirely sensible to me to let firefighters retire at 50.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?[/p][/quote]£50 grand pension? I doubt it......what evidence are you basing this on?I Don't know about you, but if my family are ever trapped in a burning building and at severe risk of death, I don't want some geriatric old duffer trying to rescue them. I want people who are young and fit enough to do the job properly. Seems entirely sensible to me to let firefighters retire at 50. BeardyBill
  • Score: -3

9:12pm Thu 24 Apr 14

BeardyBill says...

The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.
The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers. BeardyBill
  • Score: 0

9:23pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

BeardyBill wrote:
The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.
It's not the politics of 'envy' it's the politics of 'reason'.

As a public sector employee I can totally understand why companies can't afford to sustain pension benefits which were devised in the 60's and based on the life expectancy at that time.

Don't have a clue what you are talking about regarding police being disbanded!
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.[/p][/quote]It's not the politics of 'envy' it's the politics of 'reason'. As a public sector employee I can totally understand why companies can't afford to sustain pension benefits which were devised in the 60's and based on the life expectancy at that time. Don't have a clue what you are talking about regarding police being disbanded! Phantom Poster
  • Score: -1

9:28pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.
It's not the politics of 'envy' it's the politics of 'reason'.

As a public sector employee I can totally understand why companies can't afford to sustain pension benefits which were devised in the 60's and based on the life expectancy at that time.

Don't have a clue what you are talking about regarding police being disbanded!
Sorry, should have said 'private' sector employee (must be the politics of envy which made me want to be a 'private' one!)
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.[/p][/quote]It's not the politics of 'envy' it's the politics of 'reason'. As a public sector employee I can totally understand why companies can't afford to sustain pension benefits which were devised in the 60's and based on the life expectancy at that time. Don't have a clue what you are talking about regarding police being disbanded![/p][/quote]Sorry, should have said 'private' sector employee (must be the politics of envy which made me want to be a 'private' one!) Phantom Poster
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10:34pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

BeardyBill wrote:
The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.
YES there is a reason. People are no longer guaranteed to die at 68+
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.[/p][/quote]YES there is a reason. People are no longer guaranteed to die at 68+ Phantom Poster
  • Score: -1

10:35pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.
YES there is a reason. People are no longer guaranteed to die at 68+
Sorry, I should have said 68!
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.[/p][/quote]YES there is a reason. People are no longer guaranteed to die at 68+[/p][/quote]Sorry, I should have said 68! Phantom Poster
  • Score: 0

10:42pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.
YES there is a reason. People are no longer guaranteed to die at 68+
We are always projected this image that fireman are 'heroes' and we should all be in awe and indebted to them!

But in reality, who has ever needed a fireman?
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.[/p][/quote]YES there is a reason. People are no longer guaranteed to die at 68+[/p][/quote]We are always projected this image that fireman are 'heroes' and we should all be in awe and indebted to them! But in reality, who has ever needed a fireman? Phantom Poster
  • Score: 1

10:44pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.
YES there is a reason. People are no longer guaranteed to die at 68+
We are always projected this image that fireman are 'heroes' and we should all be in awe and indebted to them!

But in reality, who has ever needed a fireman?
I'm sooo looking forward to the response!

To be honest I can't think of any friend, acquaintance or relative who have ever needed the assistance of a fireman!
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.[/p][/quote]YES there is a reason. People are no longer guaranteed to die at 68+[/p][/quote]We are always projected this image that fireman are 'heroes' and we should all be in awe and indebted to them! But in reality, who has ever needed a fireman?[/p][/quote]I'm sooo looking forward to the response! To be honest I can't think of any friend, acquaintance or relative who have ever needed the assistance of a fireman! Phantom Poster
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10:49pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phantom Poster says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
BeardyBill wrote:
The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.
YES there is a reason. People are no longer guaranteed to die at 68+
We are always projected this image that fireman are 'heroes' and we should all be in awe and indebted to them!

But in reality, who has ever needed a fireman?
I'm sooo looking forward to the response!

To be honest I can't think of any friend, acquaintance or relative who have ever needed the assistance of a fireman!
It doesn't mean that what you do is not important and indeed necessary, but it really is not in a par with nurse and police.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: The politics of envy really saddens me. There is NO reason why the private sector can't provide decent pensions, but it's all been sacrificed in the name of short term profits. Some private pension holders have been shamefully ripped off, but that is no reason to demand everyone else should also be equally shafted. It's someone who has been burgled demanding that the police should be disbanded, so no-one has protection from burglers.[/p][/quote]YES there is a reason. People are no longer guaranteed to die at 68+[/p][/quote]We are always projected this image that fireman are 'heroes' and we should all be in awe and indebted to them! But in reality, who has ever needed a fireman?[/p][/quote]I'm sooo looking forward to the response! To be honest I can't think of any friend, acquaintance or relative who have ever needed the assistance of a fireman![/p][/quote]It doesn't mean that what you do is not important and indeed necessary, but it really is not in a par with nurse and police. Phantom Poster
  • Score: 0

7:02am Fri 25 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

Dave1764 wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?
It's not about being greedy. It's about getting what we have paid for! Maybe you should pop in to your local fire station And get the full story face to face rather than just having an opinion after reading the governments spin on it in the media?
I have no problem with them leaving the service at 50 but why do they get their pensions early, that's what is grossly unfair. They are clearly still capable of working so why not expect them to get another job and receive their pensions the sane time as the rest of us. There are thousands who have to find new jobs and careers in their 50's why is it some people are so arrogant as to think they deserve more that others or are more important? Yes they do a good job (that they chose to do) but so do the armed forces, the police and others do "dangerous" jobs too. It is the sheer arrogance of anyone who thinks they are more important than others or who deserve something that others can't get that I find disgraceful, so much for fairness and equality. Typical of double standards Britain, fireman wants others to work more years so their taxes can be used to pay their pensions but they want to retire early? Doesn't get more arrogant than that.
[quote][p][bold]Dave1764[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?[/p][/quote]It's not about being greedy. It's about getting what we have paid for! Maybe you should pop in to your local fire station And get the full story face to face rather than just having an opinion after reading the governments spin on it in the media?[/p][/quote]I have no problem with them leaving the service at 50 but why do they get their pensions early, that's what is grossly unfair. They are clearly still capable of working so why not expect them to get another job and receive their pensions the sane time as the rest of us. There are thousands who have to find new jobs and careers in their 50's why is it some people are so arrogant as to think they deserve more that others or are more important? Yes they do a good job (that they chose to do) but so do the armed forces, the police and others do "dangerous" jobs too. It is the sheer arrogance of anyone who thinks they are more important than others or who deserve something that others can't get that I find disgraceful, so much for fairness and equality. Typical of double standards Britain, fireman wants others to work more years so their taxes can be used to pay their pensions but they want to retire early? Doesn't get more arrogant than that. house on the hill
  • Score: 2

8:14am Fri 25 Apr 14

StillPav says...

I'd be interested to know how much time firemen spend actually fighting fires and doing other energetic activities, compared to the amount of time spent conducting fire prevention talks and seminars.

It seems perfectly reasonable for someone 50+ to spend their time doing the fire prevention activities.

Or is that too obvious?
I'd be interested to know how much time firemen spend actually fighting fires and doing other energetic activities, compared to the amount of time spent conducting fire prevention talks and seminars. It seems perfectly reasonable for someone 50+ to spend their time doing the fire prevention activities. Or is that too obvious? StillPav
  • Score: 4

8:17am Fri 25 Apr 14

house on the hill says...

BeardyBill wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?
£50 grand pension? I doubt it......what evidence are you basing this on?I

Don't know about you, but if my family are ever trapped in a burning building and at severe risk of death, I don't want some geriatric old duffer trying to rescue them. I want people who are young and fit enough to do the job properly. Seems entirely sensible to me to let firefighters retire at 50.
But if you have had a heart attack and need a bypass its ok to put your life in the hands of a 65 year old surgeon? Why is one group of people treated differently to others? If you are talking danger or the importance of the job, what about the armed forces or the police. how about petrol tanker drivers, it is estimated if they went on strike the country would be on its knees in less than a month with no transport and no food or medicine being delivered and they drive around in what can only be described as a "bomb" less that 10 feet from the back of their heads? Or oil rig workers, gas refinery workers etc.

Pretty much every job relies on others and many carry "danger" in one form or another. There is no reason whatsoever why one group should be given special status over another its not jealousy its fairness and I bet you most of them go and get another job so clearly they dont "need" the money paid early.. And as for the poster who said "its what we have paid for" on that basis multi millionaires who pay a fortune in tax should get a 6 figure state pension for all the money they contribute and those who dont get sick should get a refund on their NI.

Also if you know anything about pension funding you would know that to provide the sort of final salary pension firemen receive, those without final salary pensions would need to pay around 30& of their salary each month to build a big enough pot of money to buy that sort of pension at 50 and I bet you don't pay 30% of yours, most of your pension is paid for by the taxpayer! Sorry that is a very narrow minded and grossly unfair and insulting to others veiwpoint.
[quote][p][bold]BeardyBill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?[/p][/quote]£50 grand pension? I doubt it......what evidence are you basing this on?I Don't know about you, but if my family are ever trapped in a burning building and at severe risk of death, I don't want some geriatric old duffer trying to rescue them. I want people who are young and fit enough to do the job properly. Seems entirely sensible to me to let firefighters retire at 50.[/p][/quote]But if you have had a heart attack and need a bypass its ok to put your life in the hands of a 65 year old surgeon? Why is one group of people treated differently to others? If you are talking danger or the importance of the job, what about the armed forces or the police. how about petrol tanker drivers, it is estimated if they went on strike the country would be on its knees in less than a month with no transport and no food or medicine being delivered and they drive around in what can only be described as a "bomb" less that 10 feet from the back of their heads? Or oil rig workers, gas refinery workers etc. Pretty much every job relies on others and many carry "danger" in one form or another. There is no reason whatsoever why one group should be given special status over another its not jealousy its fairness and I bet you most of them go and get another job so clearly they dont "need" the money paid early.. And as for the poster who said "its what we have paid for" on that basis multi millionaires who pay a fortune in tax should get a 6 figure state pension for all the money they contribute and those who dont get sick should get a refund on their NI. Also if you know anything about pension funding you would know that to provide the sort of final salary pension firemen receive, those without final salary pensions would need to pay around 30& of their salary each month to build a big enough pot of money to buy that sort of pension at 50 and I bet you don't pay 30% of yours, most of your pension is paid for by the taxpayer! Sorry that is a very narrow minded and grossly unfair and insulting to others veiwpoint. house on the hill
  • Score: 2

12:57pm Fri 25 Apr 14

trolley dolley says...

The FBU state,

"“Nevertheless, we remain totally committed to resolving the dispute through negotiation, and are ready to meet to consider a workable proposal as soon as possible.”

Then they threaten strike action.

You cannot compromise with people of that mind set, so they should be told to take it or get another job. However as a fireman your CV is rather restrictive.

So stop playing with peoples lives and either do the job you are paid for or join the dole queue.
The FBU state, "“Nevertheless, we remain totally committed to resolving the dispute through negotiation, and are ready to meet to consider a workable proposal as soon as possible.” Then they threaten strike action. You cannot compromise with people of that mind set, so they should be told to take it or get another job. However as a fireman your CV is rather restrictive. So stop playing with peoples lives and either do the job you are paid for or join the dole queue. trolley dolley
  • Score: 1

4:52pm Fri 25 Apr 14

ChannelX says...

The only thing these strikes demonstrate is just how little anyone actually relies on the fire brigade these days.

They're providing the best possible evidence that more cuts to their numbers could be made without anyone noticing any reduction in the 'service' the provide.
The only thing these strikes demonstrate is just how little anyone actually relies on the fire brigade these days. They're providing the best possible evidence that more cuts to their numbers could be made without anyone noticing any reduction in the 'service' the provide. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

6:30pm Fri 25 Apr 14

GANGWARILY says...

stfcdod wrote:
Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?
£50,000 annual pension??? Where the Pugh Pugh Barney MaGrue, Cuthbert Dibble and Feck do you get those retirement numbers from??? Plonker!!!!
I pay each month, approximately £390 from my wages into my pension. How much do you pay?
As for how little the public rely on our service, if you consider us to be so unimportant then feck you all. Burn to death.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Very greedy people these fireman. They still want to retire at fifty with a £50,000 pension. Why should the rest of us, including pensioners, have to pay for this?[/p][/quote]£50,000 annual pension??? Where the Pugh Pugh Barney MaGrue, Cuthbert Dibble and Feck do you get those retirement numbers from??? Plonker!!!! I pay each month, approximately £390 from my wages into my pension. How much do you pay? As for how little the public rely on our service, if you consider us to be so unimportant then feck you all. Burn to death. GANGWARILY
  • Score: -2

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