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Rat run drivers in Freshbrook ‘are putting kids at risk’

Swindon Advertiser: Cars are dodging the diversions around Whitehill Way, causing problems for students to safely walk to and from school. From left, local schoolchildren Mollie Aplin, Phoebe Aplin, Amber Traynor and Roxanne Aplin Buy this photo Cars are dodging the diversions around Whitehill Way, causing problems for students to safely walk to and from school. From left, local schoolchildren Mollie Aplin, Phoebe Aplin, Amber Traynor and Roxanne Aplin

MOTORISTS are dodging roadworks in Whitehill Way and dangerously rat running through residential roads in Freshbrook, putting schoolchildren at risk, a local parent has claimed.

Yesterday, Swindon Council closed Whitehill Way from its junction with Grange Drive to Hook Street in order to carry out essential resurfacing work and patching.

Despite an official diversion route along Great Western Way and Tewkesbury Way, motorists piling off the M4 at junction 16 are flooding Rowton Heath Way to get through to Shaw.

But the increased numbers of traffic bombing through Rowton Heath Way has left mum-of-three Rachael Aplin worried for the safety of her eldest daughter, Mollie-Mai.

Like many of her peers at Lydiard Park Academy, the 11-year-old has to cross the road to walk home after coming out from the underpass below Whitehill Way.

Usually it does not matter that there are no pedestrian crossings between the roundabouts at the junction of Rowton Heath Way and Worsely Road, and at Rowton Heath Way and Gainsborough Way, but Rachael says the increased traffic flow puts children at serious risk of danger.

The 32-year-old nursing auxilliary at Great Western Hospital said: “I was driving back from work and I have never seen the traffic so bad along Rowton Heath Way at that time of day before. During rush hour it is going to be terrible.

“There aren’t any crossings for the children to use and it is just dangerous. There aren’t any traffic lights or anything.

“You know what teenagers are like they won’t look or anything and they have no patience – there could be an accident.”

It is not just the secondary school students who may be at risk. Millbrook Primary School allow Year 5 and Year 6 pupils to walk home provided their parents have given permission.

Kevin Burchall, a spokesman for Swindon Council, said: “Signs have been up for several weeks warning motorists of the resurfacing works along Whitehill Way.

“The signs for the third and final phase of works clearly advise motorists to use Great Western Way as a means of bypassing the road closure so we are therefore disappointed some drivers who know the local road network are ignoring the signs and using Rowton Heath Way.

“We appreciate this is inconvenient to local residents, but if we were to restrict access to Rowton Heath Way we would need to do the same with other roads in Freshbrook and that is not a practical solution.

“So we would like to take this opportunity to remind drivers of the need to use the planned diversion route to minimise the impact on the local community.”

The works are to be in place until tomorrow between 8am and 6pm.

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9:02am Wed 21 May 14

nobody says...

The selfishness of some drivers is astounding.
The selfishness of some drivers is astounding. nobody
  • Score: -16

9:08am Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

nobody wrote:
The selfishness of some drivers is astounding.
What, choosing to take another road because a different one is unusable thanks to road works?

How utterly selfish of motorists to actually use the various roads they pay through the nose for.

Why not just teach children to cross the road properly - and to view them as potentially dangerous, rather than an extension of the pavement?
[quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: The selfishness of some drivers is astounding.[/p][/quote]What, choosing to take another road because a different one is unusable thanks to road works? How utterly selfish of motorists to actually use the various roads they pay through the nose for. Why not just teach children to cross the road properly - and to view them as potentially dangerous, rather than an extension of the pavement? ChannelX
  • Score: 20

9:57am Wed 21 May 14

Darkness1981 says...

You should use the diversion that is in place. That's the route that has been selected for you not a residential road. Do you live there no I expect not!!!
The children have been taught very good road safety and are aware of how to cross a road. However at the moment the volume of traffic
Makes the road very difficult to cross and with no alternative measures put in place by the council it's ridiculous.
You should use the diversion that is in place. That's the route that has been selected for you not a residential road. Do you live there no I expect not!!! The children have been taught very good road safety and are aware of how to cross a road. However at the moment the volume of traffic Makes the road very difficult to cross and with no alternative measures put in place by the council it's ridiculous. Darkness1981
  • Score: -10

10:05am Wed 21 May 14

Amberflame says...

There is no such thing as a 'rat run'. Roads are roads and are for the use of vehicles. Of course, drivers need to be aware that they are in a residential area and should drive with due care and attention. If however, drivers are speeding, then the police should be contacted and asked to visit the area. It is also very important that parents remind their children about safe crossing. If the concern is so great then those parents or the school need to see them safely across the road themselves.
There is no such thing as a 'rat run'. Roads are roads and are for the use of vehicles. Of course, drivers need to be aware that they are in a residential area and should drive with due care and attention. If however, drivers are speeding, then the police should be contacted and asked to visit the area. It is also very important that parents remind their children about safe crossing. If the concern is so great then those parents or the school need to see them safely across the road themselves. Amberflame
  • Score: 12

10:18am Wed 21 May 14

swindondad says...

Swindon's roads (like most growing towns) are at or near capacity even at the best of times and it only take one set of road works or an accident to cause chaos.

The shear volume of traffic does mean that the walk to and from school is now probably the most dangerous activity most kids take part in. With this in mind "road safety" must be drilled into kids by schools / parents / the emergency services at every available opportunity.

Yes motorists MUST play their part, stick to the speed limits / drive to the road and weather conditions but pedestrians should take due care even if only out of a sense of self preservation.
Swindon's roads (like most growing towns) are at or near capacity even at the best of times and it only take one set of road works or an accident to cause chaos. The shear volume of traffic does mean that the walk to and from school is now probably the most dangerous activity most kids take part in. With this in mind "road safety" must be drilled into kids by schools / parents / the emergency services at every available opportunity. Yes motorists MUST play their part, stick to the speed limits / drive to the road and weather conditions but pedestrians should take due care even if only out of a sense of self preservation. swindondad
  • Score: 8

10:29am Wed 21 May 14

Darkness1981 says...

rat run
nounBRITISHinformal
noun: rat run; plural noun: rat runs; noun: ratrun; plural noun: ratruns
a minor, typically residential street used by drivers during peak periods to avoid congestion on main roads.
"our road was used as a rat run between two main roads"


Yes there is such a thing as a rat run!!!!
rat run nounBRITISHinformal noun: rat run; plural noun: rat runs; noun: ratrun; plural noun: ratruns a minor, typically residential street used by drivers during peak periods to avoid congestion on main roads. "our road was used as a rat run between two main roads" Yes there is such a thing as a rat run!!!! Darkness1981
  • Score: -6

10:59am Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

Darkness1981 wrote:
You should use the diversion that is in place. That's the route that has been selected for you not a residential road. Do you live there no I expect not!!!
The children have been taught very good road safety and are aware of how to cross a road. However at the moment the volume of traffic
Makes the road very difficult to cross and with no alternative measures put in place by the council it's ridiculous.
No, drivers are perfectly at liberty and legally entitled to use any roads that they wish - assuming they don't use illegal methods to get onto them or when driving down them.

Diversions are not a mandatory requirement, at all.

No, I don't live there, what difference does that make?

"Drivers use road... children immediately and automatically AT RISK"

Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]Darkness1981[/bold] wrote: You should use the diversion that is in place. That's the route that has been selected for you not a residential road. Do you live there no I expect not!!! The children have been taught very good road safety and are aware of how to cross a road. However at the moment the volume of traffic Makes the road very difficult to cross and with no alternative measures put in place by the council it's ridiculous.[/p][/quote]No, drivers are perfectly at liberty and legally entitled to use any roads that they wish - assuming they don't use illegal methods to get onto them or when driving down them. Diversions are not a mandatory requirement, at all. No, I don't live there, what difference does that make? "Drivers use road... children immediately and automatically AT RISK" Pathetic. ChannelX
  • Score: 11

11:32am Wed 21 May 14

AndySN3 says...

What do the Adver mean by cars "are bombing through"?? Is there evidence to back this? If so, hand it to the police. I suspect this isn't the case at all, and although the traffic levels have risen considerably, the volume means that drivers are queueing rather than speeding.
As for people using it as a cut through, surely they are within their right to do so, assuming the vehicle is roadworthy and insured????
What do the Adver mean by cars "are bombing through"?? Is there evidence to back this? If so, hand it to the police. I suspect this isn't the case at all, and although the traffic levels have risen considerably, the volume means that drivers are queueing rather than speeding. As for people using it as a cut through, surely they are within their right to do so, assuming the vehicle is roadworthy and insured???? AndySN3
  • Score: 12

11:59am Wed 21 May 14

Amberflame says...

Darkness1981 wrote:
rat run
nounBRITISHinformal
noun: rat run; plural noun: rat runs; noun: ratrun; plural noun: ratruns
a minor, typically residential street used by drivers during peak periods to avoid congestion on main roads.
"our road was used as a rat run between two main roads"


Yes there is such a thing as a rat run!!!!
Well done, you can cut and paste!
[quote][p][bold]Darkness1981[/bold] wrote: rat run nounBRITISHinformal noun: rat run; plural noun: rat runs; noun: ratrun; plural noun: ratruns a minor, typically residential street used by drivers during peak periods to avoid congestion on main roads. "our road was used as a rat run between two main roads" Yes there is such a thing as a rat run!!!![/p][/quote]Well done, you can cut and paste! Amberflame
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Wed 21 May 14

BCDR99 says...

It's not a rat run, it's a through road. Without through roads nobody would be able to drive anywhere. One of the causes of a lot of the congestion in Swindon is the closing of through roads due to local residents complaining thereby forcing traffic down only a handful of routes.
This also causes pollution because cars are stationary for longer.
I've lived in Swindon for over 30 years and Rowton Heath Way has always been a through road. That isn't the problem - the problem is that there are many, many more cars on our roads today and that people insist on using them more and more.
It's not a rat run, it's a through road. Without through roads nobody would be able to drive anywhere. One of the causes of a lot of the congestion in Swindon is the closing of through roads due to local residents complaining thereby forcing traffic down only a handful of routes. This also causes pollution because cars are stationary for longer. I've lived in Swindon for over 30 years and Rowton Heath Way has always been a through road. That isn't the problem - the problem is that there are many, many more cars on our roads today and that people insist on using them more and more. BCDR99
  • Score: 2

12:08pm Wed 21 May 14

Clippies says...

Many of you are missing the whole point of the original piece. The increase in traffic, especially along residential streets, greatly increases the chance of pedestrians, especially children being injured or worse, killed. I would hazard a guess many, if not all of the drivers using the 'Rat-Run' are fully aware of the roadworks in place prior to leaving home. It is completely selfish and irresponsible to use 'Rat-Runs' just to save a couple of minutes in getting to work. The more responsible thing to do would be to leave home a little earlier than usual, use the designated diversion route in order to arrive at work on time.
The drivers who are creating say 'they have a right to drive to drive down any road as they pay road tax' and they are completely right in what they're saying, but (and this is a big but), they would be the first to shout rant and rave were the 'Rat-Run' be down their street, thus putting their kids at risk.
Come on all you drivers in Swindon, just do the responsible thing and set out a little earlier and use the designated diversion route, rather than put any child at risk for the sake of saving you a couple of minutes on your journey.
Many of you are missing the whole point of the original piece. The increase in traffic, especially along residential streets, greatly increases the chance of pedestrians, especially children being injured or worse, killed. I would hazard a guess many, if not all of the drivers using the 'Rat-Run' are fully aware of the roadworks in place prior to leaving home. It is completely selfish and irresponsible to use 'Rat-Runs' just to save a couple of minutes in getting to work. The more responsible thing to do would be to leave home a little earlier than usual, use the designated diversion route in order to arrive at work on time. The drivers who are creating say 'they have a right to drive to drive down any road as they pay road tax' and they are completely right in what they're saying, but (and this is a big but), they would be the first to shout rant and rave were the 'Rat-Run' be down their street, thus putting their kids at risk. Come on all you drivers in Swindon, just do the responsible thing and set out a little earlier and use the designated diversion route, rather than put any child at risk for the sake of saving you a couple of minutes on your journey. Clippies
  • Score: 0

12:25pm Wed 21 May 14

BCDR99 says...

Clippies wrote:
Many of you are missing the whole point of the original piece. The increase in traffic, especially along residential streets, greatly increases the chance of pedestrians, especially children being injured or worse, killed. I would hazard a guess many, if not all of the drivers using the 'Rat-Run' are fully aware of the roadworks in place prior to leaving home. It is completely selfish and irresponsible to use 'Rat-Runs' just to save a couple of minutes in getting to work. The more responsible thing to do would be to leave home a little earlier than usual, use the designated diversion route in order to arrive at work on time.
The drivers who are creating say 'they have a right to drive to drive down any road as they pay road tax' and they are completely right in what they're saying, but (and this is a big but), they would be the first to shout rant and rave were the 'Rat-Run' be down their street, thus putting their kids at risk.
Come on all you drivers in Swindon, just do the responsible thing and set out a little earlier and use the designated diversion route, rather than put any child at risk for the sake of saving you a couple of minutes on your journey.
And equally, can we presume that no-one living in Rowton Heath Way has ever used a non-main through road to get to their destination quicker? No, I doubt it.

The problem is too many cars. And that everyone wants to own one and drive it where they like but everyone wants to live on a traffic free road.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the fundamental flaw in the logic above. To do that, we would have to build all of our towns in a "fish skeleton" pattern with a load of cul-de-sacs where everyone lived feeding off the main roads to the town and trunk roads.
[quote][p][bold]Clippies[/bold] wrote: Many of you are missing the whole point of the original piece. The increase in traffic, especially along residential streets, greatly increases the chance of pedestrians, especially children being injured or worse, killed. I would hazard a guess many, if not all of the drivers using the 'Rat-Run' are fully aware of the roadworks in place prior to leaving home. It is completely selfish and irresponsible to use 'Rat-Runs' just to save a couple of minutes in getting to work. The more responsible thing to do would be to leave home a little earlier than usual, use the designated diversion route in order to arrive at work on time. The drivers who are creating say 'they have a right to drive to drive down any road as they pay road tax' and they are completely right in what they're saying, but (and this is a big but), they would be the first to shout rant and rave were the 'Rat-Run' be down their street, thus putting their kids at risk. Come on all you drivers in Swindon, just do the responsible thing and set out a little earlier and use the designated diversion route, rather than put any child at risk for the sake of saving you a couple of minutes on your journey.[/p][/quote]And equally, can we presume that no-one living in Rowton Heath Way has ever used a non-main through road to get to their destination quicker? No, I doubt it. The problem is too many cars. And that everyone wants to own one and drive it where they like but everyone wants to live on a traffic free road. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the fundamental flaw in the logic above. To do that, we would have to build all of our towns in a "fish skeleton" pattern with a load of cul-de-sacs where everyone lived feeding off the main roads to the town and trunk roads. BCDR99
  • Score: 1

12:43pm Wed 21 May 14

BelleMayne says...

I don't see the issue. It's a road, so therefore it can be used by a motor vehicle, I thought that was the whole point of a road!
I hope this makes the council realise that in a way this is showing what will happen if they continue to build more houses in this area with the increased congestion on the roads.
Back to the original point though, perhaps the children could look both ways before crossing, listen out for vehicles, don't cross from behind a parked vehicle or an area of limited visibility. The sort of common sense safety details we're all taught at a fairly young age.
But yes, let's not look at this logically but we must all follow ridiculous diversions which I would guess take 15-20 minutes by the time you've queued at various points on the diversion or you can go through Rowton Heath Way and across to Shaw which probably takes around 5 minutes. How dare motorists use roads and local knowledge of them to get themselves where they want to go in the quickest time. How about the council get their 'workers' to do the road works at a time that isn't at 1 of the 2 busiest travelling/commuting periods of the day?! Well done SBC you make the village idiot look like a MasterMind Champion!
I don't see the issue. It's a road, so therefore it can be used by a motor vehicle, I thought that was the whole point of a road! I hope this makes the council realise that in a way this is showing what will happen if they continue to build more houses in this area with the increased congestion on the roads. Back to the original point though, perhaps the children could look both ways before crossing, listen out for vehicles, don't cross from behind a parked vehicle or an area of limited visibility. The sort of common sense safety details we're all taught at a fairly young age. But yes, let's not look at this logically but we must all follow ridiculous diversions which I would guess take 15-20 minutes by the time you've queued at various points on the diversion or you can go through Rowton Heath Way and across to Shaw which probably takes around 5 minutes. How dare motorists use roads and local knowledge of them to get themselves where they want to go in the quickest time. How about the council get their 'workers' to do the road works at a time that isn't at 1 of the 2 busiest travelling/commuting periods of the day?! Well done SBC you make the village idiot look like a MasterMind Champion! BelleMayne
  • Score: 6

12:53pm Wed 21 May 14

rixon says...

"How about the council get their 'workers' to do the road works at a time that isn't at 1 of the 2 busiest travelling/commuting periods of the day?! Well done SBC you make the village idiot look like a MasterMind Champion"

The Council changed the times of the roadwork's in response to public concern, it does not effect the morning rush hour as it starts at 9.30. The children can use the designated crossing on Whitehill Way and cross Gainsborough after the roundabout, problem solved!!
"How about the council get their 'workers' to do the road works at a time that isn't at 1 of the 2 busiest travelling/commuting periods of the day?! Well done SBC you make the village idiot look like a MasterMind Champion" The Council changed the times of the roadwork's in response to public concern, it does not effect the morning rush hour as it starts at 9.30. The children can use the designated crossing on Whitehill Way and cross Gainsborough after the roundabout, problem solved!! rixon
  • Score: 1

12:53pm Wed 21 May 14

ManWithCar says...

Newsflash - Rowton Heath Way is a road, just like any other. Got to love this quote from the article:

“You know what teenagers are like they won’t look or anything and they have no patience – there could be an accident.”

I was taught road safety way before I was 11 and I knew not to run out
between traffic, regardless of where I was going or if I was in a hurry. People have been run over by cars for years. There's always an accident waiting to happen - but if you drum proper road safety into children then there is every chance they WON'T be in an accident crossing the road.

There's always a bl**dy excuse for everything with people nowadays. Another prime example of "It's not my fault if someone gets injured/killed because I couldn't be responsible".
Newsflash - Rowton Heath Way is a road, just like any other. Got to love this quote from the article: “You know what teenagers are like they won’t look or anything and they have no patience – there could be an accident.” I was taught road safety way before I was 11 and I knew not to run out between traffic, regardless of where I was going or if I was in a hurry. People have been run over by cars for years. There's always an accident waiting to happen - but if you drum proper road safety into children then there is every chance they WON'T be in an accident crossing the road. There's always a bl**dy excuse for everything with people nowadays. Another prime example of "It's not my fault if someone gets injured/killed because I couldn't be responsible". ManWithCar
  • Score: 6

1:01pm Wed 21 May 14

Amberflame says...

Nice to see some balanced views on here. Just because a road has seen an increase in traffic because of roadworks nearby does not mean that 'something should be done'. We are all inconvenienced at some point in our lives! If the concern is great, remind your children about road safety or better yet walk with them.
Nice to see some balanced views on here. Just because a road has seen an increase in traffic because of roadworks nearby does not mean that 'something should be done'. We are all inconvenienced at some point in our lives! If the concern is great, remind your children about road safety or better yet walk with them. Amberflame
  • Score: 2

1:18pm Wed 21 May 14

back_to_reality says...

Amberflame wrote:
There is no such thing as a 'rat run'. Roads are roads and are for the use of vehicles. Of course, drivers need to be aware that they are in a residential area and should drive with due care and attention. If however, drivers are speeding, then the police should be contacted and asked to visit the area. It is also very important that parents remind their children about safe crossing. If the concern is so great then those parents or the school need to see them safely across the road themselves.
Nicely put.
[quote][p][bold]Amberflame[/bold] wrote: There is no such thing as a 'rat run'. Roads are roads and are for the use of vehicles. Of course, drivers need to be aware that they are in a residential area and should drive with due care and attention. If however, drivers are speeding, then the police should be contacted and asked to visit the area. It is also very important that parents remind their children about safe crossing. If the concern is so great then those parents or the school need to see them safely across the road themselves.[/p][/quote]Nicely put. back_to_reality
  • Score: 2

1:19pm Wed 21 May 14

Darkness1981 says...

I just think that the council didn't take into consideration how much disruption it would cause to people living in the area!! Surely it would have been better to do the work next week when the children are on school holidays. Then there would have been less cars on the road and no children walking back from school.

Yes we all like to get somewhere a little quicker and that's why these roads are used. But please remember to keep to the speed limit and have a little consideration to the child or pedestrian that has been stood there ages waiting to cross!!!!!!!!
I just think that the council didn't take into consideration how much disruption it would cause to people living in the area!! Surely it would have been better to do the work next week when the children are on school holidays. Then there would have been less cars on the road and no children walking back from school. Yes we all like to get somewhere a little quicker and that's why these roads are used. But please remember to keep to the speed limit and have a little consideration to the child or pedestrian that has been stood there ages waiting to cross!!!!!!!! Darkness1981
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Wed 21 May 14

nobody says...

ChannelX wrote:
nobody wrote:
The selfishness of some drivers is astounding.
What, choosing to take another road because a different one is unusable thanks to road works?

How utterly selfish of motorists to actually use the various roads they pay through the nose for.

Why not just teach children to cross the road properly - and to view them as potentially dangerous, rather than an extension of the pavement?
Drivers do not pay through the nose for the roads, in reality each driver is subsidised by over £600 from general taxation, meaning every who pays tax subsidises your choice to drive.

They called rat runs not because drivers use them but the selfish ones speed through as if no-one else exists.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: The selfishness of some drivers is astounding.[/p][/quote]What, choosing to take another road because a different one is unusable thanks to road works? How utterly selfish of motorists to actually use the various roads they pay through the nose for. Why not just teach children to cross the road properly - and to view them as potentially dangerous, rather than an extension of the pavement?[/p][/quote]Drivers do not pay through the nose for the roads, in reality each driver is subsidised by over £600 from general taxation, meaning every who pays tax subsidises your choice to drive. They called rat runs not because drivers use them but the selfish ones speed through as if no-one else exists. nobody
  • Score: -5

2:01pm Wed 21 May 14

ntrueman says...

I must say I’m shocked by this to be honest, I’ve been using that route for the past week or so now to avoid the congestion without a single problem and I will continue to do so! I have not once seen anyone excessively speeding or causing any danger to any children at all! I have had to slow down myself on a few occasions to allow youngsters to cross / retrieve ball’s etc but because I’m paying attention I notice them, even when they haven’t seen me! If people are using the road as a shortcut / rat run, providing they are driving within the speed limit and obeying UK road law they are completely entitled to do so. We pay road tax, insurance premiums, petrol prices along with the cost of general wear and tear on things like tyres, breaks and suspension on a daily basis for the privilege of using the road's… I am a fully entitled to use the road, as such I will continue to do so!
I must say I’m shocked by this to be honest, I’ve been using that route for the past week or so now to avoid the congestion without a single problem and I will continue to do so! I have not once seen anyone excessively speeding or causing any danger to any children at all! I have had to slow down myself on a few occasions to allow youngsters to cross / retrieve ball’s etc but because I’m paying attention I notice them, even when they haven’t seen me! If people are using the road as a shortcut / rat run, providing they are driving within the speed limit and obeying UK road law they are completely entitled to do so. We pay road tax, insurance premiums, petrol prices along with the cost of general wear and tear on things like tyres, breaks and suspension on a daily basis for the privilege of using the road's… I am a fully entitled to use the road, as such I will continue to do so! ntrueman
  • Score: 6

3:02pm Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

nobody wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
nobody wrote:
The selfishness of some drivers is astounding.
What, choosing to take another road because a different one is unusable thanks to road works?

How utterly selfish of motorists to actually use the various roads they pay through the nose for.

Why not just teach children to cross the road properly - and to view them as potentially dangerous, rather than an extension of the pavement?
Drivers do not pay through the nose for the roads, in reality each driver is subsidised by over £600 from general taxation, meaning every who pays tax subsidises your choice to drive.

They called rat runs not because drivers use them but the selfish ones speed through as if no-one else exists.
Complete nonsense.

The Treasury rakes in c.£52 Billion per year from motorist derived tax revenues. Of that, around £12 Billion is reinvested back into the nation's road network.

In other words, the motorist pays for the roads that drive on four times over, every year.
[quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: The selfishness of some drivers is astounding.[/p][/quote]What, choosing to take another road because a different one is unusable thanks to road works? How utterly selfish of motorists to actually use the various roads they pay through the nose for. Why not just teach children to cross the road properly - and to view them as potentially dangerous, rather than an extension of the pavement?[/p][/quote]Drivers do not pay through the nose for the roads, in reality each driver is subsidised by over £600 from general taxation, meaning every who pays tax subsidises your choice to drive. They called rat runs not because drivers use them but the selfish ones speed through as if no-one else exists.[/p][/quote]Complete nonsense. The Treasury rakes in c.£52 Billion per year from motorist derived tax revenues. Of that, around £12 Billion is reinvested back into the nation's road network. In other words, the motorist pays for the roads that drive on four times over, every year. ChannelX
  • Score: 5

5:49pm Wed 21 May 14

Jayne35 says...

And a couple of months ago Beech Avenue was being used as a 'rat run' while there were roadworks on Cheney Manor Road. It happens when there are road works, nothing to run to the local paper about really. Everyone just needs to have a little more patience, and take more care in residential areas, both drivers and pedestrians.
And a couple of months ago Beech Avenue was being used as a 'rat run' while there were roadworks on Cheney Manor Road. It happens when there are road works, nothing to run to the local paper about really. Everyone just needs to have a little more patience, and take more care in residential areas, both drivers and pedestrians. Jayne35
  • Score: 4

7:00pm Wed 21 May 14

Clippies says...

Jayne35 wrote:
And a couple of months ago Beech Avenue was being used as a 'rat run' while there were roadworks on Cheney Manor Road. It happens when there are road works, nothing to run to the local paper about really. Everyone just needs to have a little more patience, and take more care in residential areas, both drivers and pedestrians.
From what I see above no-one (or very few) want to take responsibility for their actions. Just because something is a legal right doesn't necessarily make it morally right. I sincerely hope no child is hurt or killed along any Rat-Run, after all no parent should or ever expect to bury their own child. As for the short-sightedness of those who are convinced they have a legal right (of which I have no argument) and it would be the child at fault for running out in to the road because they didn't know their highway code. Just be aware; the last thing you will see every night before you go to sleep (and have countless nightmares) will be of the child's face hitting your car windscreen just as you killed them. That image and sound will haunt you for the rest of your life....and all because you wanted to save a couple of minutes on your journey that morning.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne35[/bold] wrote: And a couple of months ago Beech Avenue was being used as a 'rat run' while there were roadworks on Cheney Manor Road. It happens when there are road works, nothing to run to the local paper about really. Everyone just needs to have a little more patience, and take more care in residential areas, both drivers and pedestrians.[/p][/quote]From what I see above no-one (or very few) want to take responsibility for their actions. Just because something is a legal right doesn't necessarily make it morally right. I sincerely hope no child is hurt or killed along any Rat-Run, after all no parent should or ever expect to bury their own child. As for the short-sightedness of those who are convinced they have a legal right (of which I have no argument) and it would be the child at fault for running out in to the road because they didn't know their highway code. Just be aware; the last thing you will see every night before you go to sleep (and have countless nightmares) will be of the child's face hitting your car windscreen just as you killed them. That image and sound will haunt you for the rest of your life....and all because you wanted to save a couple of minutes on your journey that morning. Clippies
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8:31am Thu 22 May 14

ChannelX says...

Clippies wrote:
Jayne35 wrote:
And a couple of months ago Beech Avenue was being used as a 'rat run' while there were roadworks on Cheney Manor Road. It happens when there are road works, nothing to run to the local paper about really. Everyone just needs to have a little more patience, and take more care in residential areas, both drivers and pedestrians.
From what I see above no-one (or very few) want to take responsibility for their actions. Just because something is a legal right doesn't necessarily make it morally right. I sincerely hope no child is hurt or killed along any Rat-Run, after all no parent should or ever expect to bury their own child. As for the short-sightedness of those who are convinced they have a legal right (of which I have no argument) and it would be the child at fault for running out in to the road because they didn't know their highway code. Just be aware; the last thing you will see every night before you go to sleep (and have countless nightmares) will be of the child's face hitting your car windscreen just as you killed them. That image and sound will haunt you for the rest of your life....and all because you wanted to save a couple of minutes on your journey that morning.
What would your view be if a driver took a diversion route and happened to hit a child? If they'd gone another route the accident wouldn't have happened.

Let's not pretend that following diversion signs actually makes anyone safer.
[quote][p][bold]Clippies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne35[/bold] wrote: And a couple of months ago Beech Avenue was being used as a 'rat run' while there were roadworks on Cheney Manor Road. It happens when there are road works, nothing to run to the local paper about really. Everyone just needs to have a little more patience, and take more care in residential areas, both drivers and pedestrians.[/p][/quote]From what I see above no-one (or very few) want to take responsibility for their actions. Just because something is a legal right doesn't necessarily make it morally right. I sincerely hope no child is hurt or killed along any Rat-Run, after all no parent should or ever expect to bury their own child. As for the short-sightedness of those who are convinced they have a legal right (of which I have no argument) and it would be the child at fault for running out in to the road because they didn't know their highway code. Just be aware; the last thing you will see every night before you go to sleep (and have countless nightmares) will be of the child's face hitting your car windscreen just as you killed them. That image and sound will haunt you for the rest of your life....and all because you wanted to save a couple of minutes on your journey that morning.[/p][/quote]What would your view be if a driver took a diversion route and happened to hit a child? If they'd gone another route the accident wouldn't have happened. Let's not pretend that following diversion signs actually makes anyone safer. ChannelX
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