Ed Miliband caught out as he thinks Swindon Labour head is the council leader

Ed Miliband caught out as he thinks Swindon Labour head is the council leader

Swindon Labour chief Jim Grant

Labour Party leader Ed Miliband

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LABOUR leader Ed Miliband failed to identify who the party’s Swindon leader Jim Grant was or even his own party’s status on the council, in BBC Wiltshire radio interview yesterday.

The party had put up Mr Miliband for an interview on Ben Prater’s show shortly after 8.30am, when he tripped up in his description of what Labour is doing in Swindon.

Asked what he made of Jim Grant, the Labour leader in Swindon, Mr Miliband needed the presenter to tell him who exactly Cllr Grant was.

Despite not knowing who he was, Mr Miliband said: “He’s doing a good job as leader of the council, Jim is, and I think that’s the case.

“I know that Jim is doing a good job for Swindon, he’s doing a good job as leader of the council.”

Mr Miliband was then corrected by the presenter, who clarified the council is Conservative-controlled. The Doncaster North MP promptly backtracked.

“He’s doing a good job for Labour on the council,” he said.

Conservative council leader David Renard (Haydon Wick), said he tuned into the show especially and found it hard to hold back his laughter.

“I haven’t laughed as much at the radio in a long time,” he said. “I suppose I was incredulous he had not been briefed on the particular status of Swindon.

“Most people regard Swindon as a barometer for the political picture nationally. There are two target seats here they want to win in the next election. To not even know those running the council and who the leader of the Labour group is, is astonishing.

“My interpretation was, first of all, I didn’t get the impression he had even heard of Jim Grant, let alone his position in the Labour party or on Swindon Council. It’s quite staggering.”

In the interview, Mr Miliband was also pushed on why he had not made more of an effort to visit Swindon as a part of the campaigning process for his party’s members.

He said: “I’m going to be determined to fight right across this country, including in Swindon, on the issues that matter. I’m going to be in Swindon, definitely, campaigning.

“I’ve been in Swindon, I’ll be coming back to Swindon and it’s very, very important that we make a difference to the people in Swindon because I’m deeply committed to Labour doing well in these elections.”

Cllr Grant said: “Swindon Labour have welcomed Ed Miliband to our town a number of times in recent years, I’m delighted he has pledged to visit again.”

  • What Ed said...

    Ben Prater: “What do you make of Jim Grant?”
    Ed Miliband: “I beg your pardon?”
    BP: “Jim Grant, do you think he has done a good job?”
    EM: “I think that lots of Labour representatives are doing a good job right across the country and I...”
    BP: “You do know who Jim Grant is, Mr Miliband?”
    EM: “You will enlighten me, I am sure.”
    BP: “Swindon Labour leader.”"
    EM: “Yeah, I think he is doing a good job.”
    BP: “Will he feel like you support him enough if you don’t even know his name?”
    EM: “Well he is doing a good job as leader of the council, Jim is, and I think that is the case.”
    BP: “I mean it’s Swindon Labour leader. Do you think by your comments now people might be a bit perplexed by why you wouldn't know who Jim Grant is?”
    EM: “No, I know that Jim is doing a good job for Swindon and I think he is doing a good job as leader of the council.”
    BP: “But he is not the leader of the council is he, Mr Miliband? It’s a Conservative led council.”
    EM: “I think he is doing a good job for Labour on the council. I think he is doing a good job for Labour on the council.”
    BP: “So let's be clear. Who runs Swindon council?”
    EM: “It’s a Conservative-controlled council.”

 

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6:43am Wed 21 May 14

swindondad says...

I can understand the a national party leader may not know the details of all of his parties councilors in every local council but give that he knew he was doing a radio interview with BBC Wiltshire you would have thought he could have grabbed the correct crib sheet.

His attempts to bluff his way through the interview just made him look as if he did not care and we all know that if you wait for a politician to apologize publicly for their mistakes it will be a best a long drawn out affair.
I can understand the a national party leader may not know the details of all of his parties councilors in every local council but give that he knew he was doing a radio interview with BBC Wiltshire you would have thought he could have grabbed the correct crib sheet. His attempts to bluff his way through the interview just made him look as if he did not care and we all know that if you wait for a politician to apologize publicly for their mistakes it will be a best a long drawn out affair. swindondad
  • Score: 10

7:55am Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

Even more incredible is that Miliband would have had an army of lackeys and 'advisors' in tow. You can practically hear him attempting to stall and delay whilst his staff frantically try and figure out who this 'Jim' person is.

An absolutely abysmal performance from a man who still appears to think he might be considered prime minister material by some deluded socialists.

Still, at least he can count on Davey Gravey, Morsey and stratton man's support.

Oh, and I Too / Blackwell 2 / Empty Car Park / Pompey Bound / Still About. But, of course, that's only one vote.
Even more incredible is that Miliband would have had an army of lackeys and 'advisors' in tow. You can practically hear him attempting to stall and delay whilst his staff frantically try and figure out who this 'Jim' person is. An absolutely abysmal performance from a man who still appears to think he might be considered prime minister material by some deluded socialists. Still, at least he can count on Davey Gravey, Morsey and stratton man's support. Oh, and I Too / Blackwell 2 / Empty Car Park / Pompey Bound / Still About. But, of course, that's only one vote. ChannelX
  • Score: 4

8:29am Wed 21 May 14

house on the hill says...

Just shows how many have the attention span of a goldfish even considering a party who almost bankrupted the country only 4 years ago and are back with pretty much the same bunch and the same borrow and bust policies! But that's what happens when you give stupid people the vote!
Just shows how many have the attention span of a goldfish even considering a party who almost bankrupted the country only 4 years ago and are back with pretty much the same bunch and the same borrow and bust policies! But that's what happens when you give stupid people the vote! house on the hill
  • Score: -4

9:04am Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government.

I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier.

And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works.

Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.
Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government. I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier. And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works. Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant. ChannelX
  • Score: -1

9:12am Wed 21 May 14

Morsey says...

Good that Reynard is having a laugh now, because it'll all end in tears.

ED's misinterpretation in one of many interviews he took yesterday was totally excusable ... Swindon is only one of many hotspots in the country and I hope our lazy, lousy BBC radio station for Wiltshire, excluding Swindon other than when they can use it politically in favour of their own leanings, is well and truly lapping it up. prater really set him up and made himself look as much a prat as Ed ... never heard of democracy in this blue rosette / hatstand county of Wiltshire!

Prater was doing it all down his leg this morning, and to think we had a good presenter before him ... but he was neutral, so he was dismissed!

It is good that they can actually direct some attention to the town as it is hardly ever mentioned since the station went 99% Wiltshire coverage.

A load of nothin' mate!!!
Good that Reynard is having a laugh now, because it'll all end in tears. ED's misinterpretation in one of many interviews he took yesterday was totally excusable ... Swindon is only one of many hotspots in the country and I hope our lazy, lousy BBC radio station for Wiltshire, excluding Swindon other than when they can use it politically in favour of their own leanings, is well and truly lapping it up. prater really set him up and made himself look as much a prat as Ed ... never heard of democracy in this blue rosette / hatstand county of Wiltshire! Prater was doing it all down his leg this morning, and to think we had a good presenter before him ... but he was neutral, so he was dismissed! It is good that they can actually direct some attention to the town as it is hardly ever mentioned since the station went 99% Wiltshire coverage. A load of nothin' mate!!! Morsey
  • Score: -3

9:18am Wed 21 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

This just shows that a vote for Labour is simply a wasted vote.
Labour is not paying attention to Swindon local issues and our local labour councillors are simply not going to be able to draw the necessary investments, attention and therefore public funds into the town because they have no Westminster connections and no leverage.
I fear that voting Labour will be a step backwards for Swindon.
This just shows that a vote for Labour is simply a wasted vote. Labour is not paying attention to Swindon local issues and our local labour councillors are simply not going to be able to draw the necessary investments, attention and therefore public funds into the town because they have no Westminster connections and no leverage. I fear that voting Labour will be a step backwards for Swindon. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 1

9:20am Wed 21 May 14

trolley dolley says...

This is the sort of thinking you get when you vote Labour.

Try voting for people who use their brain.
This is the sort of thinking you get when you vote Labour. Try voting for people who use their brain. trolley dolley
  • Score: 2

9:20am Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

Morsey wrote:
Good that Reynard is having a laugh now, because it'll all end in tears.

ED's misinterpretation in one of many interviews he took yesterday was totally excusable ... Swindon is only one of many hotspots in the country and I hope our lazy, lousy BBC radio station for Wiltshire, excluding Swindon other than when they can use it politically in favour of their own leanings, is well and truly lapping it up. prater really set him up and made himself look as much a prat as Ed ... never heard of democracy in this blue rosette / hatstand county of Wiltshire!

Prater was doing it all down his leg this morning, and to think we had a good presenter before him ... but he was neutral, so he was dismissed!

It is good that they can actually direct some attention to the town as it is hardly ever mentioned since the station went 99% Wiltshire coverage.

A load of nothin' mate!!!
Another glaring example of the rather peculiar, and deeply unpleasant, mindset of those on the left.

Morsey also seems to forget that it was only four years ago that Swindon had two local Labour MPs and had suffered a Labour led council for many, many years.

Such spite and bitterness from the left when they don't always get their own, snidey and envious, way.
[quote][p][bold]Morsey[/bold] wrote: Good that Reynard is having a laugh now, because it'll all end in tears. ED's misinterpretation in one of many interviews he took yesterday was totally excusable ... Swindon is only one of many hotspots in the country and I hope our lazy, lousy BBC radio station for Wiltshire, excluding Swindon other than when they can use it politically in favour of their own leanings, is well and truly lapping it up. prater really set him up and made himself look as much a prat as Ed ... never heard of democracy in this blue rosette / hatstand county of Wiltshire! Prater was doing it all down his leg this morning, and to think we had a good presenter before him ... but he was neutral, so he was dismissed! It is good that they can actually direct some attention to the town as it is hardly ever mentioned since the station went 99% Wiltshire coverage. A load of nothin' mate!!![/p][/quote]Another glaring example of the rather peculiar, and deeply unpleasant, mindset of those on the left. Morsey also seems to forget that it was only four years ago that Swindon had two local Labour MPs and had suffered a Labour led council for many, many years. Such spite and bitterness from the left when they don't always get their own, snidey and envious, way. ChannelX
  • Score: 2

9:29am Wed 21 May 14

Hmmmf says...

I thought his earlier TV interview was even more telling.

Miliband: There's a cost of living crisis and I intend to do something about it!
Interviewer: What's the cost of living?
Miliband: It depends how much you spend.

Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
I thought his earlier TV interview was even more telling. Miliband: There's a cost of living crisis and I intend to do something about it! Interviewer: What's the cost of living? Miliband: It depends how much you spend. Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Hmmmf
  • Score: 6

9:42am Wed 21 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

Despite CHANNELx's, ringers, tim newromans,etc etc's ridiculous vendetta against me due to my previous critical comments about the Tories I don't think milliband is a good leader for labour. I don't particularly like the man.
I also have not voted labour for years and they are not my pals. They will be getting my vote this time though, to get the Tories who are ruining swindon out.
Beautiful day today. Enjoy it folks, may help with the bitterness from some. Cheer up and smile.
Despite CHANNELx's, ringers, tim newromans,etc etc's ridiculous vendetta against me due to my previous critical comments about the Tories I don't think milliband is a good leader for labour. I don't particularly like the man. I also have not voted labour for years and they are not my pals. They will be getting my vote this time though, to get the Tories who are ruining swindon out. Beautiful day today. Enjoy it folks, may help with the bitterness from some. Cheer up and smile. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -5

9:53am Wed 21 May 14

swindondad says...

I will not attempt to tell anybody else who to vote for but I would like to encourage everybody to vote tomorrow.

Far too many people are content to sit at home and moan about politicians but do not exercise their right to vote.
I will not attempt to tell anybody else who to vote for but I would like to encourage everybody to vote tomorrow. Far too many people are content to sit at home and moan about politicians but do not exercise their right to vote. swindondad
  • Score: 19

9:54am Wed 21 May 14

express_a_view says...

ChannelX wrote:
Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government.

I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier.

And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works.

Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.
Channel X - I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution. I am ill at ease with the fact that during a period of austerity, when we are "all in it together", the wealth of the wealthiest 1,000 in the UK has since 2009 risen by £285 billion whilst ordinary families see a decline in their living standards. I dislike it when the right talks about "rolling back the state" as it is more often about allowing the wealthy to behave as they wish while coming down hard on the poor - for example the Prime Minister's defence for someone who has engaged in tax evasion retaining their OBE whilst imposing a punitive bedroom tax on the poorest members of our society. I also object to handing down public assets to profiteers at knockdown prices - such as the ineptly handled sale of the post office.

In closing, I have been successful in my chosen profession; have "made my own way"; and object to those who differ from you being patronised as "inept" merely because they see the world differently from you.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government. I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier. And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works. Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.[/p][/quote]Channel X - I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution. I am ill at ease with the fact that during a period of austerity, when we are "all in it together", the wealth of the wealthiest 1,000 in the UK has since 2009 risen by £285 billion whilst ordinary families see a decline in their living standards. I dislike it when the right talks about "rolling back the state" as it is more often about allowing the wealthy to behave as they wish while coming down hard on the poor - for example the Prime Minister's defence for someone who has engaged in tax evasion retaining their OBE whilst imposing a punitive bedroom tax on the poorest members of our society. I also object to handing down public assets to profiteers at knockdown prices - such as the ineptly handled sale of the post office. In closing, I have been successful in my chosen profession; have "made my own way"; and object to those who differ from you being patronised as "inept" merely because they see the world differently from you. express_a_view
  • Score: -2

9:57am Wed 21 May 14

Blackwell 2 says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Despite CHANNELx's, ringers, tim newromans,etc etc's ridiculous vendetta against me due to my previous critical comments about the Tories I don't think milliband is a good leader for labour. I don't particularly like the man.
I also have not voted labour for years and they are not my pals. They will be getting my vote this time though, to get the Tories who are ruining swindon out.
Beautiful day today. Enjoy it folks, may help with the bitterness from some. Cheer up and smile.
My sentiment exactly
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Despite CHANNELx's, ringers, tim newromans,etc etc's ridiculous vendetta against me due to my previous critical comments about the Tories I don't think milliband is a good leader for labour. I don't particularly like the man. I also have not voted labour for years and they are not my pals. They will be getting my vote this time though, to get the Tories who are ruining swindon out. Beautiful day today. Enjoy it folks, may help with the bitterness from some. Cheer up and smile.[/p][/quote]My sentiment exactly Blackwell 2
  • Score: -9

10:13am Wed 21 May 14

trolley dolley says...

Lets just get Thursday over so that the Labour Party and all its followers can catch up.

It may take some time for EM but he will get help, I am sure.

As for Mr Grant, don't count your chickens.
Lets just get Thursday over so that the Labour Party and all its followers can catch up. It may take some time for EM but he will get help, I am sure. As for Mr Grant, don't count your chickens. trolley dolley
  • Score: -3

10:14am Wed 21 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

express_a_view wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government.

I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier.

And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works.

Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.
Channel X - I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution. I am ill at ease with the fact that during a period of austerity, when we are "all in it together", the wealth of the wealthiest 1,000 in the UK has since 2009 risen by £285 billion whilst ordinary families see a decline in their living standards. I dislike it when the right talks about "rolling back the state" as it is more often about allowing the wealthy to behave as they wish while coming down hard on the poor - for example the Prime Minister's defence for someone who has engaged in tax evasion retaining their OBE whilst imposing a punitive bedroom tax on the poorest members of our society. I also object to handing down public assets to profiteers at knockdown prices - such as the ineptly handled sale of the post office.

In closing, I have been successful in my chosen profession; have "made my own way"; and object to those who differ from you being patronised as "inept" merely because they see the world differently from you.
Some great ideas, and I would sign a petition to force those convicted of crimes against Society to forfeit their public honours in this case OBE.
The main problem isn't so much being unfair, rich, poor etc... it is about being responsible for your own actions.
The poorest in Society should not be encouraged to have kids that they cannot support themselves.
In China parents are limited to one child and we have seen the results of this policy, in Africa population growth is out of control and we are all to aware of the results......
In China people have now more resources available to dedicate to their one child whilst in Africa parents can not even feed their kids.....
A rich country is a country that is in control of its demography, and the same is true of a family, we should start with the basics instead of going after idealistic ideas like wealth redistribution.
[quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government. I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier. And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works. Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.[/p][/quote]Channel X - I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution. I am ill at ease with the fact that during a period of austerity, when we are "all in it together", the wealth of the wealthiest 1,000 in the UK has since 2009 risen by £285 billion whilst ordinary families see a decline in their living standards. I dislike it when the right talks about "rolling back the state" as it is more often about allowing the wealthy to behave as they wish while coming down hard on the poor - for example the Prime Minister's defence for someone who has engaged in tax evasion retaining their OBE whilst imposing a punitive bedroom tax on the poorest members of our society. I also object to handing down public assets to profiteers at knockdown prices - such as the ineptly handled sale of the post office. In closing, I have been successful in my chosen profession; have "made my own way"; and object to those who differ from you being patronised as "inept" merely because they see the world differently from you.[/p][/quote]Some great ideas, and I would sign a petition to force those convicted of crimes against Society to forfeit their public honours in this case OBE. The main problem isn't so much being unfair, rich, poor etc... it is about being responsible for your own actions. The poorest in Society should not be encouraged to have kids that they cannot support themselves. In China parents are limited to one child and we have seen the results of this policy, in Africa population growth is out of control and we are all to aware of the results...... In China people have now more resources available to dedicate to their one child whilst in Africa parents can not even feed their kids..... A rich country is a country that is in control of its demography, and the same is true of a family, we should start with the basics instead of going after idealistic ideas like wealth redistribution. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 2

10:18am Wed 21 May 14

express_a_view says...

house on the hill wrote:
Just shows how many have the attention span of a goldfish even considering a party who almost bankrupted the country only 4 years ago and are back with pretty much the same bunch and the same borrow and bust policies! But that's what happens when you give stupid people the vote!
So Labour ran Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac and precipitated the collapse of the USA property market that instigated the global crash? They also governed France, Spain, Portugal, the Republic of Ireland, Italy and Greece who were adversely hit by the global crash? They were in charge of the global and national banks who gambled with the money of their customers?

Thankfully not everyone swallows your version of events. The global crash adversely hit countries whether they were governed at the time by the left or the right. The crisis was caused by the greed and avarice of global capitalism not by the relatively powerless national governments of individual nations. If the Labour government was wrong so to were the current government's key figures who were prepared to adopt their spending plans and actually were advocating for increased deregulation of the banks prior to the global crash.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Just shows how many have the attention span of a goldfish even considering a party who almost bankrupted the country only 4 years ago and are back with pretty much the same bunch and the same borrow and bust policies! But that's what happens when you give stupid people the vote![/p][/quote]So Labour ran Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac and precipitated the collapse of the USA property market that instigated the global crash? They also governed France, Spain, Portugal, the Republic of Ireland, Italy and Greece who were adversely hit by the global crash? They were in charge of the global and national banks who gambled with the money of their customers? Thankfully not everyone swallows your version of events. The global crash adversely hit countries whether they were governed at the time by the left or the right. The crisis was caused by the greed and avarice of global capitalism not by the relatively powerless national governments of individual nations. If the Labour government was wrong so to were the current government's key figures who were prepared to adopt their spending plans and actually were advocating for increased deregulation of the banks prior to the global crash. express_a_view
  • Score: 2

10:44am Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

express_a_view wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government.

I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier.

And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works.

Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.
Channel X - I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution. I am ill at ease with the fact that during a period of austerity, when we are "all in it together", the wealth of the wealthiest 1,000 in the UK has since 2009 risen by £285 billion whilst ordinary families see a decline in their living standards. I dislike it when the right talks about "rolling back the state" as it is more often about allowing the wealthy to behave as they wish while coming down hard on the poor - for example the Prime Minister's defence for someone who has engaged in tax evasion retaining their OBE whilst imposing a punitive bedroom tax on the poorest members of our society. I also object to handing down public assets to profiteers at knockdown prices - such as the ineptly handled sale of the post office.

In closing, I have been successful in my chosen profession; have "made my own way"; and object to those who differ from you being patronised as "inept" merely because they see the world differently from you.
Some people are rich, some people do well, some people are happy.

Some people aren't, don't and are miserable.

It's always been thus. Just try harder not to find yourself in the second category.

I will always dislike those who vote to have the things I work for stolen from me and who wish to tell me what I can and can't think and do. For that reason I will always dislike socialists, the Labour party and their supporters.

Especially those who claim not to support them while demonstrating their support for them at every turn. They know who they are, don't you Mr Gravey.
[quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government. I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier. And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works. Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.[/p][/quote]Channel X - I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution. I am ill at ease with the fact that during a period of austerity, when we are "all in it together", the wealth of the wealthiest 1,000 in the UK has since 2009 risen by £285 billion whilst ordinary families see a decline in their living standards. I dislike it when the right talks about "rolling back the state" as it is more often about allowing the wealthy to behave as they wish while coming down hard on the poor - for example the Prime Minister's defence for someone who has engaged in tax evasion retaining their OBE whilst imposing a punitive bedroom tax on the poorest members of our society. I also object to handing down public assets to profiteers at knockdown prices - such as the ineptly handled sale of the post office. In closing, I have been successful in my chosen profession; have "made my own way"; and object to those who differ from you being patronised as "inept" merely because they see the world differently from you.[/p][/quote]Some people are rich, some people do well, some people are happy. Some people aren't, don't and are miserable. It's always been thus. Just try harder not to find yourself in the second category. I will always dislike those who vote to have the things I work for stolen from me and who wish to tell me what I can and can't think and do. For that reason I will always dislike socialists, the Labour party and their supporters. Especially those who claim not to support them while demonstrating their support for them at every turn. They know who they are, don't you Mr Gravey. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

10:44am Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

express_a_view wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Just shows how many have the attention span of a goldfish even considering a party who almost bankrupted the country only 4 years ago and are back with pretty much the same bunch and the same borrow and bust policies! But that's what happens when you give stupid people the vote!
So Labour ran Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac and precipitated the collapse of the USA property market that instigated the global crash? They also governed France, Spain, Portugal, the Republic of Ireland, Italy and Greece who were adversely hit by the global crash? They were in charge of the global and national banks who gambled with the money of their customers?

Thankfully not everyone swallows your version of events. The global crash adversely hit countries whether they were governed at the time by the left or the right. The crisis was caused by the greed and avarice of global capitalism not by the relatively powerless national governments of individual nations. If the Labour government was wrong so to were the current government's key figures who were prepared to adopt their spending plans and actually were advocating for increased deregulation of the banks prior to the global crash.
Keep toeing the party line...
[quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Just shows how many have the attention span of a goldfish even considering a party who almost bankrupted the country only 4 years ago and are back with pretty much the same bunch and the same borrow and bust policies! But that's what happens when you give stupid people the vote![/p][/quote]So Labour ran Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac and precipitated the collapse of the USA property market that instigated the global crash? They also governed France, Spain, Portugal, the Republic of Ireland, Italy and Greece who were adversely hit by the global crash? They were in charge of the global and national banks who gambled with the money of their customers? Thankfully not everyone swallows your version of events. The global crash adversely hit countries whether they were governed at the time by the left or the right. The crisis was caused by the greed and avarice of global capitalism not by the relatively powerless national governments of individual nations. If the Labour government was wrong so to were the current government's key figures who were prepared to adopt their spending plans and actually were advocating for increased deregulation of the banks prior to the global crash.[/p][/quote]Keep toeing the party line... ChannelX
  • Score: 0

10:57am Wed 21 May 14

whitein says...

What people do not realise is that these are local election, what have conservatives done for Swindon, wi fi the big screen ect.
What people do not realise is that these are local election, what have conservatives done for Swindon, wi fi the big screen ect. whitein
  • Score: 1

11:13am Wed 21 May 14

PJC says...

Oh dear. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
Oh dear. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. PJC
  • Score: 6

11:15am Wed 21 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

whitein wrote:
What people do not realise is that these are local election, what have conservatives done for Swindon, wi fi the big screen ect.
Well I am not a great fan of the Tories but credit given where credit is due:

1- they have kept council tax low!
2- completion of the A419 bypass
3- Regent Circus almost completed
4- Kimmerfields regeneration on track
5- Honda and BMW have been kept in Swindon

Under Labour, my council tax went through the roof and nothing was built except 1000s of extra flats and houses and roads were left to rot...remember those potholes?!?
[quote][p][bold]whitein[/bold] wrote: What people do not realise is that these are local election, what have conservatives done for Swindon, wi fi the big screen ect.[/p][/quote]Well I am not a great fan of the Tories but credit given where credit is due: 1- they have kept council tax low! 2- completion of the A419 bypass 3- Regent Circus almost completed 4- Kimmerfields regeneration on track 5- Honda and BMW have been kept in Swindon Under Labour, my council tax went through the roof and nothing was built except 1000s of extra flats and houses and roads were left to rot...remember those potholes?!? A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 0

11:36am Wed 21 May 14

express_a_view says...

ChannelX wrote:
express_a_view wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government.

I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier.

And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works.

Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.
Channel X - I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution. I am ill at ease with the fact that during a period of austerity, when we are "all in it together", the wealth of the wealthiest 1,000 in the UK has since 2009 risen by £285 billion whilst ordinary families see a decline in their living standards. I dislike it when the right talks about "rolling back the state" as it is more often about allowing the wealthy to behave as they wish while coming down hard on the poor - for example the Prime Minister's defence for someone who has engaged in tax evasion retaining their OBE whilst imposing a punitive bedroom tax on the poorest members of our society. I also object to handing down public assets to profiteers at knockdown prices - such as the ineptly handled sale of the post office.

In closing, I have been successful in my chosen profession; have "made my own way"; and object to those who differ from you being patronised as "inept" merely because they see the world differently from you.
Some people are rich, some people do well, some people are happy.

Some people aren't, don't and are miserable.

It's always been thus. Just try harder not to find yourself in the second category.

I will always dislike those who vote to have the things I work for stolen from me and who wish to tell me what I can and can't think and do. For that reason I will always dislike socialists, the Labour party and their supporters.

Especially those who claim not to support them while demonstrating their support for them at every turn. They know who they are, don't you Mr Gravey.
i) I will believe what I want but find your need to patronise those who differ from you to be a little sad. The whole point of democracy is debate.
ii) I am sorry you feel the need to so dislike those who differ from you. I have friends of all political ilk and whilst I may disagree with them politically I would never dream of disliking them merely because they have a different political viewpoint to my own. Indeed, one of my greatest sadnesses is the increasing demise of civility in political debate from all sides of the political spectrum.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government. I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier. And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works. Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.[/p][/quote]Channel X - I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution. I am ill at ease with the fact that during a period of austerity, when we are "all in it together", the wealth of the wealthiest 1,000 in the UK has since 2009 risen by £285 billion whilst ordinary families see a decline in their living standards. I dislike it when the right talks about "rolling back the state" as it is more often about allowing the wealthy to behave as they wish while coming down hard on the poor - for example the Prime Minister's defence for someone who has engaged in tax evasion retaining their OBE whilst imposing a punitive bedroom tax on the poorest members of our society. I also object to handing down public assets to profiteers at knockdown prices - such as the ineptly handled sale of the post office. In closing, I have been successful in my chosen profession; have "made my own way"; and object to those who differ from you being patronised as "inept" merely because they see the world differently from you.[/p][/quote]Some people are rich, some people do well, some people are happy. Some people aren't, don't and are miserable. It's always been thus. Just try harder not to find yourself in the second category. I will always dislike those who vote to have the things I work for stolen from me and who wish to tell me what I can and can't think and do. For that reason I will always dislike socialists, the Labour party and their supporters. Especially those who claim not to support them while demonstrating their support for them at every turn. They know who they are, don't you Mr Gravey.[/p][/quote]i) I will believe what I want but find your need to patronise those who differ from you to be a little sad. The whole point of democracy is debate. ii) I am sorry you feel the need to so dislike those who differ from you. I have friends of all political ilk and whilst I may disagree with them politically I would never dream of disliking them merely because they have a different political viewpoint to my own. Indeed, one of my greatest sadnesses is the increasing demise of civility in political debate from all sides of the political spectrum. express_a_view
  • Score: 0

11:50am Wed 21 May 14

Hmmmf says...

express_a_view wrote:
I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution.

'Redistribution', the socialist word for envy and jealousy. Those 1% pay an awful lot more tax than the 'poorest 55% put together' and contribute an awful lot more than the feckless grasping masses doing nothing but holding out their ungrateful hands demanding more.
The reason that 'ordinary families see a decline in their living standards' which you protest about is quite simple: socialists spent all the money and ordinary families are now footing the bill for that unbridled profligacy.
I am not a Socialist because I believe people should be responsible for their own lives, and should strive to improve themselves rather than living off others and demanding a 'share' of someone else's pile.
[quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution.[/quote] 'Redistribution', the socialist word for envy and jealousy. Those 1% pay an awful lot more tax than the 'poorest 55% put together' and contribute an awful lot more than the feckless grasping masses doing nothing but holding out their ungrateful hands demanding more. The reason that 'ordinary families see a decline in their living standards' which you protest about is quite simple: socialists spent all the money and ordinary families are now footing the bill for that unbridled profligacy. I am not a Socialist because I believe people should be responsible for their own lives, and should strive to improve themselves rather than living off others and demanding a 'share' of someone else's pile. Hmmmf
  • Score: 7

11:59am Wed 21 May 14

whitein says...

conservatives are the one born into it, rich parents with plenty of money keeping it to themselves.
conservatives are the one born into it, rich parents with plenty of money keeping it to themselves. whitein
  • Score: -5

12:36pm Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

express_a_view wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
express_a_view wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government.

I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier.

And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works.

Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.
Channel X - I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution. I am ill at ease with the fact that during a period of austerity, when we are "all in it together", the wealth of the wealthiest 1,000 in the UK has since 2009 risen by £285 billion whilst ordinary families see a decline in their living standards. I dislike it when the right talks about "rolling back the state" as it is more often about allowing the wealthy to behave as they wish while coming down hard on the poor - for example the Prime Minister's defence for someone who has engaged in tax evasion retaining their OBE whilst imposing a punitive bedroom tax on the poorest members of our society. I also object to handing down public assets to profiteers at knockdown prices - such as the ineptly handled sale of the post office.

In closing, I have been successful in my chosen profession; have "made my own way"; and object to those who differ from you being patronised as "inept" merely because they see the world differently from you.
Some people are rich, some people do well, some people are happy.

Some people aren't, don't and are miserable.

It's always been thus. Just try harder not to find yourself in the second category.

I will always dislike those who vote to have the things I work for stolen from me and who wish to tell me what I can and can't think and do. For that reason I will always dislike socialists, the Labour party and their supporters.

Especially those who claim not to support them while demonstrating their support for them at every turn. They know who they are, don't you Mr Gravey.
i) I will believe what I want but find your need to patronise those who differ from you to be a little sad. The whole point of democracy is debate.
ii) I am sorry you feel the need to so dislike those who differ from you. I have friends of all political ilk and whilst I may disagree with them politically I would never dream of disliking them merely because they have a different political viewpoint to my own. Indeed, one of my greatest sadnesses is the increasing demise of civility in political debate from all sides of the political spectrum.
As I made very clear, I don't dislike those who 'differ' from me.

I dislike those who would seek to steal my money from me and those who would seek to tell me what I can and can't think and do. Unfortunately, all of those despicable traits are encompassed by the socialist/left-wing ideology (as you well know).

That is why I dislike socialists, the Labour party and their supporters.

There are, quite literally, millions of people who differ from me who I have absolutely no qualms with whatsoever.

I would, however, agree with you that it's a shame the left-wing likes of Davey Gravey and his chums openly just insult people and call them vile names on this website. There's really no need for it, unless you're just plain ignorant.
[quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Some people will always vote Labour, no matter that they destroy the economy EVERY single time they ever win control of government. I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money in order to make your life easier. And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a leftie does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the left, towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works. Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.[/p][/quote]Channel X - I am a Socialist because I think that in a country where 1% have accumulated as much wealth at the poorest 55% put together there is an argument for greater redistribution. I am ill at ease with the fact that during a period of austerity, when we are "all in it together", the wealth of the wealthiest 1,000 in the UK has since 2009 risen by £285 billion whilst ordinary families see a decline in their living standards. I dislike it when the right talks about "rolling back the state" as it is more often about allowing the wealthy to behave as they wish while coming down hard on the poor - for example the Prime Minister's defence for someone who has engaged in tax evasion retaining their OBE whilst imposing a punitive bedroom tax on the poorest members of our society. I also object to handing down public assets to profiteers at knockdown prices - such as the ineptly handled sale of the post office. In closing, I have been successful in my chosen profession; have "made my own way"; and object to those who differ from you being patronised as "inept" merely because they see the world differently from you.[/p][/quote]Some people are rich, some people do well, some people are happy. Some people aren't, don't and are miserable. It's always been thus. Just try harder not to find yourself in the second category. I will always dislike those who vote to have the things I work for stolen from me and who wish to tell me what I can and can't think and do. For that reason I will always dislike socialists, the Labour party and their supporters. Especially those who claim not to support them while demonstrating their support for them at every turn. They know who they are, don't you Mr Gravey.[/p][/quote]i) I will believe what I want but find your need to patronise those who differ from you to be a little sad. The whole point of democracy is debate. ii) I am sorry you feel the need to so dislike those who differ from you. I have friends of all political ilk and whilst I may disagree with them politically I would never dream of disliking them merely because they have a different political viewpoint to my own. Indeed, one of my greatest sadnesses is the increasing demise of civility in political debate from all sides of the political spectrum.[/p][/quote]As I made very clear, I don't dislike those who 'differ' from me. I dislike those who would seek to steal my money from me and those who would seek to tell me what I can and can't think and do. Unfortunately, all of those despicable traits are encompassed by the socialist/left-wing ideology (as you well know). That is why I dislike socialists, the Labour party and their supporters. There are, quite literally, millions of people who differ from me who I have absolutely no qualms with whatsoever. I would, however, agree with you that it's a shame the left-wing likes of Davey Gravey and his chums openly just insult people and call them vile names on this website. There's really no need for it, unless you're just plain ignorant. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

12:38pm Wed 21 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
whitein wrote:
What people do not realise is that these are local election, what have conservatives done for Swindon, wi fi the big screen ect.
Well I am not a great fan of the Tories but credit given where credit is due:

1- they have kept council tax low!
2- completion of the A419 bypass
3- Regent Circus almost completed
4- Kimmerfields regeneration on track
5- Honda and BMW have been kept in Swindon

Under Labour, my council tax went through the roof and nothing was built except 1000s of extra flats and houses and roads were left to rot...remember those potholes?!?
Council tax has stayed low as they have cut services.
The bypass would have happened anyway. How is private business and already existing companies anything to do with them?
Pot holes are worse than ever before. A glowing endorsement I don't think.

How about WiFi, the Mayor scandal? cuts to services? Selling off leisure facilities? The whalebridge balls up? Leaving existing car parks empty to waste money on another one?
The list is endless.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whitein[/bold] wrote: What people do not realise is that these are local election, what have conservatives done for Swindon, wi fi the big screen ect.[/p][/quote]Well I am not a great fan of the Tories but credit given where credit is due: 1- they have kept council tax low! 2- completion of the A419 bypass 3- Regent Circus almost completed 4- Kimmerfields regeneration on track 5- Honda and BMW have been kept in Swindon Under Labour, my council tax went through the roof and nothing was built except 1000s of extra flats and houses and roads were left to rot...remember those potholes?!?[/p][/quote]Council tax has stayed low as they have cut services. The bypass would have happened anyway. How is private business and already existing companies anything to do with them? Pot holes are worse than ever before. A glowing endorsement I don't think. How about WiFi, the Mayor scandal? cuts to services? Selling off leisure facilities? The whalebridge balls up? Leaving existing car parks empty to waste money on another one? The list is endless. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

whitein wrote:
conservatives are the one born into it, rich parents with plenty of money keeping it to themselves.
And you want some of that money stolen from them and handed to you?

Why do you 'deserve' other people's money?
[quote][p][bold]whitein[/bold] wrote: conservatives are the one born into it, rich parents with plenty of money keeping it to themselves.[/p][/quote]And you want some of that money stolen from them and handed to you? Why do you 'deserve' other people's money? ChannelX
  • Score: 4

12:42pm Wed 21 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

@CHANNELx aka ringer, TIM newroman etc, etc.
I've already corrected your incorrect libel numerous times. Says everything about you that you continue to make up rubbish about me.
Hopefully Mr Lyus and co are on the case.
@CHANNELx aka ringer, TIM newroman etc, etc. I've already corrected your incorrect libel numerous times. Says everything about you that you continue to make up rubbish about me. Hopefully Mr Lyus and co are on the case. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -4

12:44pm Wed 21 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
whitein wrote:
What people do not realise is that these are local election, what have conservatives done for Swindon, wi fi the big screen ect.
Well I am not a great fan of the Tories but credit given where credit is due:

1- they have kept council tax low!
2- completion of the A419 bypass
3- Regent Circus almost completed
4- Kimmerfields regeneration on track
5- Honda and BMW have been kept in Swindon

Under Labour, my council tax went through the roof and nothing was built except 1000s of extra flats and houses and roads were left to rot...remember those potholes?!?
Council tax has stayed low as they have cut services.
The bypass would have happened anyway. How is private business and already existing companies anything to do with them?
Pot holes are worse than ever before. A glowing endorsement I don't think.

How about WiFi, the Mayor scandal? cuts to services? Selling off leisure facilities? The whalebridge balls up? Leaving existing car parks empty to waste money on another one?
The list is endless.
Well this is not a perfect administration but I think it has delivered a lot more than under Labour and the delivery was far more efficient since council tax has remained low.
Yes Services were but frankly they needed to be cut and should be cut further, yes the wifi was a scandal and I regret that nobody at the council was made accountable but overall the Tory led council has put Swindon on the map, investors are coming to Swindon and overall Swindon is improving despite severe budget restrictions.
The leisure facilities should be private, as a council we have no business in running leisure centres, this is not an essential service.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whitein[/bold] wrote: What people do not realise is that these are local election, what have conservatives done for Swindon, wi fi the big screen ect.[/p][/quote]Well I am not a great fan of the Tories but credit given where credit is due: 1- they have kept council tax low! 2- completion of the A419 bypass 3- Regent Circus almost completed 4- Kimmerfields regeneration on track 5- Honda and BMW have been kept in Swindon Under Labour, my council tax went through the roof and nothing was built except 1000s of extra flats and houses and roads were left to rot...remember those potholes?!?[/p][/quote]Council tax has stayed low as they have cut services. The bypass would have happened anyway. How is private business and already existing companies anything to do with them? Pot holes are worse than ever before. A glowing endorsement I don't think. How about WiFi, the Mayor scandal? cuts to services? Selling off leisure facilities? The whalebridge balls up? Leaving existing car parks empty to waste money on another one? The list is endless.[/p][/quote]Well this is not a perfect administration but I think it has delivered a lot more than under Labour and the delivery was far more efficient since council tax has remained low. Yes Services were but frankly they needed to be cut and should be cut further, yes the wifi was a scandal and I regret that nobody at the council was made accountable but overall the Tory led council has put Swindon on the map, investors are coming to Swindon and overall Swindon is improving despite severe budget restrictions. The leisure facilities should be private, as a council we have no business in running leisure centres, this is not an essential service. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 1

12:57pm Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
@CHANNELx aka ringer, TIM newroman etc, etc.
I've already corrected your incorrect libel numerous times. Says everything about you that you continue to make up rubbish about me.
Hopefully Mr Lyus and co are on the case.
Yes, if they apply the site rules, you will be banned according to them.

It is not 'libel' to suggest you vote Labour when you yourself have spent most of this week posting about how you intend to vote Labour.

If anyone is exposed to 'libel' here, it is you, for lying about me supposedly being a councillor for months on end.

Think on, Mr Gravey.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: @CHANNELx aka ringer, TIM newroman etc, etc. I've already corrected your incorrect libel numerous times. Says everything about you that you continue to make up rubbish about me. Hopefully Mr Lyus and co are on the case.[/p][/quote]Yes, if they apply the site rules, you will be banned according to them. It is not 'libel' to suggest you vote Labour when you yourself have spent most of this week posting about how you intend to vote Labour. If anyone is exposed to 'libel' here, it is you, for lying about me supposedly being a councillor for months on end. Think on, Mr Gravey. ChannelX
  • Score: -1

1:08pm Wed 21 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
@CHANNELx aka ringer, TIM newroman etc, etc.
I've already corrected your incorrect libel numerous times. Says everything about you that you continue to make up rubbish about me.
Hopefully Mr Lyus and co are on the case.
Yes, if they apply the site rules, you will be banned according to them.

It is not 'libel' to suggest you vote Labour when you yourself have spent most of this week posting about how you intend to vote Labour.

If anyone is exposed to 'libel' here, it is you, for lying about me supposedly being a councillor for months on end.

Think on, Mr Gravey.
More lies. I have repeatedly said I have no idea if you are a councilor or not. What I have also said is that others have claimed you are a councilor.
I have not said you are a councilor as I do not know. All available in this site.

I have only mentioned once that I will be voting labour today. Not as you suggest.
I repeat. You have had a vendetta against me since I was critical of the Tories ages ago. That automatically made me a Lefty and you've done all you can to bully and insult me since. I won't lay down and take it which winds you up even more. Numerous log ins and thumb manipulation has not worked.

When you make false statements about me I correct then yet you continue to break site rules by not stopping.
I welcome the site moderator investigating it.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: @CHANNELx aka ringer, TIM newroman etc, etc. I've already corrected your incorrect libel numerous times. Says everything about you that you continue to make up rubbish about me. Hopefully Mr Lyus and co are on the case.[/p][/quote]Yes, if they apply the site rules, you will be banned according to them. It is not 'libel' to suggest you vote Labour when you yourself have spent most of this week posting about how you intend to vote Labour. If anyone is exposed to 'libel' here, it is you, for lying about me supposedly being a councillor for months on end. Think on, Mr Gravey.[/p][/quote]More lies. I have repeatedly said I have no idea if you are a councilor or not. What I have also said is that others have claimed you are a councilor. I have not said you are a councilor as I do not know. All available in this site. I have only mentioned once that I will be voting labour today. Not as you suggest. I repeat. You have had a vendetta against me since I was critical of the Tories ages ago. That automatically made me a Lefty and you've done all you can to bully and insult me since. I won't lay down and take it which winds you up even more. Numerous log ins and thumb manipulation has not worked. When you make false statements about me I correct then yet you continue to break site rules by not stopping. I welcome the site moderator investigating it. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 3

2:59pm Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
@CHANNELx aka ringer, TIM newroman etc, etc.
I've already corrected your incorrect libel numerous times. Says everything about you that you continue to make up rubbish about me.
Hopefully Mr Lyus and co are on the case.
Yes, if they apply the site rules, you will be banned according to them.

It is not 'libel' to suggest you vote Labour when you yourself have spent most of this week posting about how you intend to vote Labour.

If anyone is exposed to 'libel' here, it is you, for lying about me supposedly being a councillor for months on end.

Think on, Mr Gravey.
More lies. I have repeatedly said I have no idea if you are a councilor or not. What I have also said is that others have claimed you are a councilor.
I have not said you are a councilor as I do not know. All available in this site.

I have only mentioned once that I will be voting labour today. Not as you suggest.
I repeat. You have had a vendetta against me since I was critical of the Tories ages ago. That automatically made me a Lefty and you've done all you can to bully and insult me since. I won't lay down and take it which winds you up even more. Numerous log ins and thumb manipulation has not worked.

When you make false statements about me I correct then yet you continue to break site rules by not stopping.
I welcome the site moderator investigating it.
Utter rubbish.

You have repeatedly posted that I'm a councillor and seemingly refuse to believe that I'm not.

You have also mentioned several times, before today, that you intend to vote Labour in this month's local elections and either spoil your vote or not vote in the Euro elections.

All documented online, all published and all verifiable by anyone who can be bothered to look.

Your lies appear to be tripping you up.

I have absolutely no 'vendetta' against you, I simply dislike the way you nastily insult ANYONE you disagree with. You do it constantly.

All this 'won't lie down and take it' nonsense, seriously, it's all some weird, non-existent battle you're waging in your own head. Although, strangely, your attitude reminds me, almost identically, of another contributor here who has odd, paranoid tendencies and shares the same anti-Tory/ I don't support Labour but I do vote for them and encourage others to vote for them mindset that you display,

The similarities are uncanny.

I do hope your posts are reviewed by the Adver and your glaringly rampant rule breaking is punished accordingly. It'll be bye-bye Gravey, Gravey bye-bye.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: @CHANNELx aka ringer, TIM newroman etc, etc. I've already corrected your incorrect libel numerous times. Says everything about you that you continue to make up rubbish about me. Hopefully Mr Lyus and co are on the case.[/p][/quote]Yes, if they apply the site rules, you will be banned according to them. It is not 'libel' to suggest you vote Labour when you yourself have spent most of this week posting about how you intend to vote Labour. If anyone is exposed to 'libel' here, it is you, for lying about me supposedly being a councillor for months on end. Think on, Mr Gravey.[/p][/quote]More lies. I have repeatedly said I have no idea if you are a councilor or not. What I have also said is that others have claimed you are a councilor. I have not said you are a councilor as I do not know. All available in this site. I have only mentioned once that I will be voting labour today. Not as you suggest. I repeat. You have had a vendetta against me since I was critical of the Tories ages ago. That automatically made me a Lefty and you've done all you can to bully and insult me since. I won't lay down and take it which winds you up even more. Numerous log ins and thumb manipulation has not worked. When you make false statements about me I correct then yet you continue to break site rules by not stopping. I welcome the site moderator investigating it.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish. You have repeatedly posted that I'm a councillor and seemingly refuse to believe that I'm not. You have also mentioned several times, before today, that you intend to vote Labour in this month's local elections and either spoil your vote or not vote in the Euro elections. All documented online, all published and all verifiable by anyone who can be bothered to look. Your lies appear to be tripping you up. I have absolutely no 'vendetta' against you, I simply dislike the way you nastily insult ANYONE you disagree with. You do it constantly. All this 'won't lie down and take it' nonsense, seriously, it's all some weird, non-existent battle you're waging in your own head. Although, strangely, your attitude reminds me, almost identically, of another contributor here who has odd, paranoid tendencies and shares the same anti-Tory/ I don't support Labour but I do vote for them and encourage others to vote for them mindset that you display, The similarities are uncanny. I do hope your posts are reviewed by the Adver and your glaringly rampant rule breaking is punished accordingly. It'll be bye-bye Gravey, Gravey bye-bye. ChannelX
  • Score: -1

3:38pm Wed 21 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

Madness. I said once that I was spoiling my euro vote and voting labour locally. And that wasn't this week. Making your claims false. Try reason what is said.
I welcome any investigation by site mods. Well overdue.
Madness. I said once that I was spoiling my euro vote and voting labour locally. And that wasn't this week. Making your claims false. Try reason what is said. I welcome any investigation by site mods. Well overdue. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 1

8:30pm Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Madness. I said once that I was spoiling my euro vote and voting labour locally. And that wasn't this week. Making your claims false. Try reason what is said.
I welcome any investigation by site mods. Well overdue.
Absolutely.

And you are in serious trouble.

Cannot wait.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Madness. I said once that I was spoiling my euro vote and voting labour locally. And that wasn't this week. Making your claims false. Try reason what is said. I welcome any investigation by site mods. Well overdue.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. And you are in serious trouble. Cannot wait. ChannelX
  • Score: -3

8:32pm Wed 21 May 14

ChannelX says...

You are about to discover that you Labour types can't just ignore the rules and libel, insult and disrespect others whenever you see fit.

Consider your constant use of the term 'moron' - and worse - about numerous people on here, Gravey.

Time you learned you're not allowed to insult others with impunity. Your banning is LONG overdue.
You are about to discover that you Labour types can't just ignore the rules and libel, insult and disrespect others whenever you see fit. Consider your constant use of the term 'moron' - and worse - about numerous people on here, Gravey. Time you learned you're not allowed to insult others with impunity. Your banning is LONG overdue. ChannelX
  • Score: -4

9:14pm Wed 21 May 14

Blackwell 2 says...

Give it a rest channelx.

You're all bitter that you were rightly prevented from this sort of behaviour on Talk Swindon.

You have repeatedly called people Cretins, Morons, leftys etc.

You're only motive on these threads is to harrass anyone that rightly criticises any incompetence from our council.
Indeed you promised to drive a person away with "robust treatment"
I have it on record.
You were reported long ago

Give it a rest.
Go get a life
Give it a rest channelx. You're all bitter that you were rightly prevented from this sort of behaviour on Talk Swindon. You have repeatedly called people Cretins, Morons, leftys etc. You're only motive on these threads is to harrass anyone that rightly criticises any incompetence from our council. Indeed you promised to drive a person away with "robust treatment" I have it on record. You were reported long ago Give it a rest. Go get a life Blackwell 2
  • Score: 2

11:56pm Wed 21 May 14

BeardyBill says...

Oh dear, ChannelX has stopped taking his meds again.....yet another bile filled rant. So Milliband doesn't know the name of a backwater small town Councillor - so what? all it shows is he was I'll prepared for the interview. Do you have the same contempt for Schapps for not knowing the name of the Tory Council leader?

You really are a sad, pathetic, angry individual.
Oh dear, ChannelX has stopped taking his meds again.....yet another bile filled rant. So Milliband doesn't know the name of a backwater small town Councillor - so what? all it shows is he was I'll prepared for the interview. Do you have the same contempt for Schapps for not knowing the name of the Tory Council leader? You really are a sad, pathetic, angry individual. BeardyBill
  • Score: -2

12:01am Thu 22 May 14

BeardyBill says...

Some people will always vote Tory, no matter that they destroy a bit of society EVERY single time they ever win control of government.

I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money and give it to your mates and supporters in order to make your life easier.

And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a fascist does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the right towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works.

Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant.
Some people will always vote Tory, no matter that they destroy a bit of society EVERY single time they ever win control of government. I can only imagine in comes down to having the ideology instilled in you as a child, or because you're too inept to make your own way in the world and so want to take other people's money and give it to your mates and supporters in order to make your life easier. And, of course, nobody enjoys telling others what they can and cannot do like a fascist does. You only have to see the tirade of vile insults used on this website by those on the right towards anyone who dares not share their views, to see how that works. Either way, it's all fairly unpleasant. BeardyBill
  • Score: 0

12:03am Thu 22 May 14

BeardyBill says...

trolley dolley wrote:
This is the sort of thinking you get when you vote Labour.

Try voting for people who use their brain.
Yawn......if you haven't got anything useful or interesting to say, why not just shut up?
[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote: This is the sort of thinking you get when you vote Labour. Try voting for people who use their brain.[/p][/quote]Yawn......if you haven't got anything useful or interesting to say, why not just shut up? BeardyBill
  • Score: -1

12:11am Thu 22 May 14

BeardyBill says...

express_a_view wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Just shows how many have the attention span of a goldfish even considering a party who almost bankrupted the country only 4 years ago and are back with pretty much the same bunch and the same borrow and bust policies! But that's what happens when you give stupid people the vote!
So Labour ran Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac and precipitated the collapse of the USA property market that instigated the global crash? They also governed France, Spain, Portugal, the Republic of Ireland, Italy and Greece who were adversely hit by the global crash? They were in charge of the global and national banks who gambled with the money of their customers?

Thankfully not everyone swallows your version of events. The global crash adversely hit countries whether they were governed at the time by the left or the right. The crisis was caused by the greed and avarice of global capitalism not by the relatively powerless national governments of individual nations. If the Labour government was wrong so to were the current government's key figures who were prepared to adopt their spending plans and actually were advocating for increased deregulation of the banks prior to the global crash.
No point using a well reasoned, rational, fact-based argument when you are dealing with ideological zealots. Even today they follow Goebbels' advice tell a big lie long enough and loud enough, and the gullible will eventually believe it to be the truth.
[quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Just shows how many have the attention span of a goldfish even considering a party who almost bankrupted the country only 4 years ago and are back with pretty much the same bunch and the same borrow and bust policies! But that's what happens when you give stupid people the vote![/p][/quote]So Labour ran Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac and precipitated the collapse of the USA property market that instigated the global crash? They also governed France, Spain, Portugal, the Republic of Ireland, Italy and Greece who were adversely hit by the global crash? They were in charge of the global and national banks who gambled with the money of their customers? Thankfully not everyone swallows your version of events. The global crash adversely hit countries whether they were governed at the time by the left or the right. The crisis was caused by the greed and avarice of global capitalism not by the relatively powerless national governments of individual nations. If the Labour government was wrong so to were the current government's key figures who were prepared to adopt their spending plans and actually were advocating for increased deregulation of the banks prior to the global crash.[/p][/quote]No point using a well reasoned, rational, fact-based argument when you are dealing with ideological zealots. Even today they follow Goebbels' advice tell a big lie long enough and loud enough, and the gullible will eventually believe it to be the truth. BeardyBill
  • Score: -3

8:27am Thu 22 May 14

ChannelX says...

Blackwell 2 wrote:
Give it a rest channelx.

You're all bitter that you were rightly prevented from this sort of behaviour on Talk Swindon.

You have repeatedly called people Cretins, Morons, leftys etc.

You're only motive on these threads is to harrass anyone that rightly criticises any incompetence from our council.
Indeed you promised to drive a person away with "robust treatment"
I have it on record.
You were reported long ago

Give it a rest.
Go get a life
If only you would 'give it a rest'.

But you can't, can you? We know that from your disgraceful and never-ending hounding, virtually stalking, of Robert Feal-Martinez.

You seem to view yourself as some kind of self-appointed policeman of this website. You're not. You're merely a hypocrite who insults others and pursues bizarre obsessions with people you don't even know.
[quote][p][bold]Blackwell 2[/bold] wrote: Give it a rest channelx. You're all bitter that you were rightly prevented from this sort of behaviour on Talk Swindon. You have repeatedly called people Cretins, Morons, leftys etc. You're only motive on these threads is to harrass anyone that rightly criticises any incompetence from our council. Indeed you promised to drive a person away with "robust treatment" I have it on record. You were reported long ago Give it a rest. Go get a life[/p][/quote]If only you would 'give it a rest'. But you can't, can you? We know that from your disgraceful and never-ending hounding, virtually stalking, of Robert Feal-Martinez. You seem to view yourself as some kind of self-appointed policeman of this website. You're not. You're merely a hypocrite who insults others and pursues bizarre obsessions with people you don't even know. ChannelX
  • Score: -1

12:43pm Thu 22 May 14

Blackwell 2 says...

Give it a rest
Give it a rest Blackwell 2
  • Score: 1

11:50am Fri 23 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Despite CHANNELx's, ringers, tim newromans,etc etc's ridiculous vendetta against me due to my previous critical comments about the Tories I don't think milliband is a good leader for labour. I don't particularly like the man.
I also have not voted labour for years and they are not my pals. They will be getting my vote this time though, to get the Tories who are ruining swindon out.
Beautiful day today. Enjoy it folks, may help with the bitterness from some. Cheer up and smile.
Well said fella.
Yes it is and hopefully 3/4 nice days of weather ahead.

Do you really care about the opinion of 1 person with multiple accounts on an annon forum????

If you fancy a giggle have a look at #whyIvoteukip some comedy gold there.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Despite CHANNELx's, ringers, tim newromans,etc etc's ridiculous vendetta against me due to my previous critical comments about the Tories I don't think milliband is a good leader for labour. I don't particularly like the man. I also have not voted labour for years and they are not my pals. They will be getting my vote this time though, to get the Tories who are ruining swindon out. Beautiful day today. Enjoy it folks, may help with the bitterness from some. Cheer up and smile.[/p][/quote]Well said fella. Yes it is and hopefully 3/4 nice days of weather ahead. Do you really care about the opinion of 1 person with multiple accounts on an annon forum???? If you fancy a giggle have a look at #whyIvoteukip some comedy gold there. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 1

12:19pm Fri 23 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Yaaaaawn same argument different headline.
Its boring,,,,,say it loud, say it often, eventually people will believe it.

There is NO debate here anymore as soon as someone disagrees with X multiple accounts are used to belittle any reasonable questioning and personal attacks used to encourage people not to question to highlight illegal or immoral behaviors.
When the aggressive tactic doesnt work (its an annon forum why would it) the argument becomes circular and does not develop which also kills the debate.
Be active talk to people spread the thought of political debate and encourage people to question established rules.
Government serves the people not the other way around.
Yaaaaawn same argument different headline. Its boring,,,,,say it loud, say it often, eventually people will believe it. There is NO debate here anymore as soon as someone disagrees with X multiple accounts are used to belittle any reasonable questioning and personal attacks used to encourage people not to question to highlight illegal or immoral behaviors. When the aggressive tactic doesnt work (its an annon forum why would it) the argument becomes circular and does not develop which also kills the debate. Be active talk to people spread the thought of political debate and encourage people to question established rules. Government serves the people not the other way around. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 0

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