LiveLIVE BLOG: Election 2014

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Summary

  • Conservatives increase their majority control of Swindon Council
  • Tories gain one seat to keep control. Majority now stands at two seats.
  • The make up of Swindon Council now stands as - Conservatives 30 seats, Labour 23 seats, Lib Deam four seats.
  • UKIP are the talking point of the night as they come second in a number of wards.

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8:03am Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for. Wildwestener
  • Score: 14

8:05am Thu 22 May 14

ChannelX says...

Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be. ChannelX
  • Score: 6

8:18am Thu 22 May 14

house on the hill says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote? house on the hill
  • Score: -2

8:23am Thu 22 May 14

house on the hill says...

ChannelX wrote:
Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is! house on the hill
  • Score: 2

8:46am Thu 22 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

Looking forward to the Tories getting the boot. Fingers crossed.
Looking forward to the Tories getting the boot. Fingers crossed. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 2

8:53am Thu 22 May 14

Hmmmf says...

house on the hill wrote:
Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!

Well political parties clearly have no monopoly on idiocy. The United States received the most British export goods last year. The UK exported £31.7bn worth of products to the US. And guess what? We'd still be able to trade with anyone we wished, on our own terms, whether in or out of Europe, just as we did before the country joined the Common Market over 40 years ago. But it's polling day, hoth, let's not allow facts to colour people's judgement, eh? Let's just call them names if they don't agree with *you*.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/quote] Well political parties clearly have no monopoly on idiocy. The United States received the most British export goods last year. The UK exported £31.7bn worth of products to the US. And guess what? We'd still be able to trade with anyone we wished, on our own terms, whether in or out of Europe, just as we did before the country joined the Common Market over 40 years ago. But it's polling day, hoth, let's not allow facts to colour people's judgement, eh? Let's just call them names if they don't agree with *you*. Hmmmf
  • Score: 5

8:53am Thu 22 May 14

Oakhurst Homeowner says...

house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs?

What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years!

UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there. Oakhurst Homeowner
  • Score: 6

9:16am Thu 22 May 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
What's Iran got to do with anything - you're fined if you don't vote in other democratic countries - such as Australia for instance.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?[/p][/quote]What's Iran got to do with anything - you're fined if you don't vote in other democratic countries - such as Australia for instance. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 5

9:22am Thu 22 May 14

Richard Symonds says...

Speaking as a Candidate I never ask people for whom they are voting, I just make my case and ask them to consider the Independent alternative.

Those who do say how they are going to vote are almost all UKIPers, but it remains to be seen just how many of those are for the local candidate?

Nick Martin blamed UKIP for the loss of his wife Mary's seat in Lydiard Freshbrook in 2012. Could they prevent her from joining him as Husband and Wife Councillors in Shaw..?

Whatever happens today is going to be the most interesting in a very long time.
Speaking as a Candidate I never ask people for whom they are voting, I just make my case and ask them to consider the Independent alternative. Those who do say how they are going to vote are almost all UKIPers, but it remains to be seen just how many of those are for the local candidate? Nick Martin blamed UKIP for the loss of his wife Mary's seat in Lydiard Freshbrook in 2012. Could they prevent her from joining him as Husband and Wife Councillors in Shaw..? Whatever happens today is going to be the most interesting in a very long time. Richard Symonds
  • Score: 7

9:54am Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom.
If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely.
Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?[/p][/quote]I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom. If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely. Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame. Wildwestener
  • Score: 8

10:05am Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs?

What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years!

UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water.

Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
[quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much. Wildwestener
  • Score: 2

10:06am Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Hey Adver, how about reports from polling stations not within a stone's throw of your offices? we don't all live in Old Town you know
Hey Adver, how about reports from polling stations not within a stone's throw of your offices? we don't all live in Old Town you know Wildwestener
  • Score: 6

10:47am Thu 22 May 14

house on the hill says...

Wildwestener wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom.
If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely.
Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.
Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you!
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?[/p][/quote]I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom. If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely. Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.[/p][/quote]Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you! house on the hill
  • Score: -2

11:09am Thu 22 May 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom.
If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely.
Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.
Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you!
Or it could be said the majority could care either way or were too lazy to vote.

Not bothering to vote (or spoil the paper) cannot be interpreted as a protest vote because you cannot distinguish between can't be bothered and a protest vote.

A spoilt paper is a protest vote, but that requires effort to make it.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?[/p][/quote]I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom. If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely. Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.[/p][/quote]Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you![/p][/quote]Or it could be said the majority could care either way or were too lazy to vote. Not bothering to vote (or spoil the paper) cannot be interpreted as a protest vote because you cannot distinguish between can't be bothered and a protest vote. A spoilt paper is a protest vote, but that requires effort to make it. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 4

11:13am Thu 22 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
Well done you.
I am sure your vote as your opinion will be invaluable to us all.
I am sure Mr Farage will thank you personally
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]Well done you. I am sure your vote as your opinion will be invaluable to us all. I am sure Mr Farage will thank you personally Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -4

11:14am Thu 22 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

Just been to vote. Nobody else came in or out when I was there. Low turnout yet again?
Just been to vote. Nobody else came in or out when I was there. Low turnout yet again? Davey Gravey
  • Score: -1

12:01pm Thu 22 May 14

Tonyblairisthedevil says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Just been to vote. Nobody else came in or out when I was there. Low turnout yet again?
Most people are at work or like me did a postal vote...
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Just been to vote. Nobody else came in or out when I was there. Low turnout yet again?[/p][/quote]Most people are at work or like me did a postal vote... Tonyblairisthedevil
  • Score: 0

12:15pm Thu 22 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

There should also be the possibility to ostracise a person at every elections.
The beauty of Democracy (as the greeks originally invented it) is to vote for but also to vote against, currently we can only vote for a candidate.
There should also be the possibility to ostracise a person at every elections. The beauty of Democracy (as the greeks originally invented it) is to vote for but also to vote against, currently we can only vote for a candidate. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 3

12:16pm Thu 22 May 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
Well done you.
I am sure your vote as your opinion will be invaluable to us all.
I am sure Mr Farage will thank you personally
You're only showing yourself up. Could you actually be anymore childish if you tried?

I'm sure you will.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]Well done you. I am sure your vote as your opinion will be invaluable to us all. I am sure Mr Farage will thank you personally[/p][/quote]You're only showing yourself up. Could you actually be anymore childish if you tried? I'm sure you will. ChannelX
  • Score: -5

12:59pm Thu 22 May 14

house on the hill says...

Hmmmf wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!

Well political parties clearly have no monopoly on idiocy. The United States received the most British export goods last year. The UK exported £31.7bn worth of products to the US. And guess what? We'd still be able to trade with anyone we wished, on our own terms, whether in or out of Europe, just as we did before the country joined the Common Market over 40 years ago. But it's polling day, hoth, let's not allow facts to colour people's judgement, eh? Let's just call them names if they don't agree with *you*.
pot, kettle black at all then???????
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/quote] Well political parties clearly have no monopoly on idiocy. The United States received the most British export goods last year. The UK exported £31.7bn worth of products to the US. And guess what? We'd still be able to trade with anyone we wished, on our own terms, whether in or out of Europe, just as we did before the country joined the Common Market over 40 years ago. But it's polling day, hoth, let's not allow facts to colour people's judgement, eh? Let's just call them names if they don't agree with *you*.[/p][/quote]pot, kettle black at all then??????? house on the hill
  • Score: -2

1:52pm Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom.
If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely.
Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.
Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you!
Sorry, you critized my post, then when I responded to disagree with you, you claim I'm bullying you. I don't recall saying that you were wrong, I merely offered a different opinion to yours. How have I "slagged you off", perhaps by suggesting that a certain position (moaining, not doing) is lame. Never mentioned you in that, I have no idea what you do or don't do and don't really care what you do or don't do as an individual, I was talking about the issue.

Please don't come in here throwing accusations of bullying around; it's called debate - just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a bully. If you actually read my posts I'm advocating participating in the election, even if registering a "None of the Above". I have talked about how that is a more positive stance than simply boycotting the election. Of course you are entitled to disagree with me (and I have not suggested anything else) but by the same token I am allowed to disagree with you without being accused of being a bully.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?[/p][/quote]I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom. If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely. Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.[/p][/quote]Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you![/p][/quote]Sorry, you critized my post, then when I responded to disagree with you, you claim I'm bullying you. I don't recall saying that you were wrong, I merely offered a different opinion to yours. How have I "slagged you off", perhaps by suggesting that a certain position (moaining, not doing) is lame. Never mentioned you in that, I have no idea what you do or don't do and don't really care what you do or don't do as an individual, I was talking about the issue. Please don't come in here throwing accusations of bullying around; it's called debate - just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a bully. If you actually read my posts I'm advocating participating in the election, even if registering a "None of the Above". I have talked about how that is a more positive stance than simply boycotting the election. Of course you are entitled to disagree with me (and I have not suggested anything else) but by the same token I am allowed to disagree with you without being accused of being a bully. Wildwestener
  • Score: 5

2:03pm Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
There should also be the possibility to ostracise a person at every elections.
The beauty of Democracy (as the greeks originally invented it) is to vote for but also to vote against, currently we can only vote for a candidate.
Really good idea, one might have a number of points which they could use. For example, you could give 3 points to any candidate, spread them between candidates or say give two positive votes and one negative. Would certainly help turnout I think.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: There should also be the possibility to ostracise a person at every elections. The beauty of Democracy (as the greeks originally invented it) is to vote for but also to vote against, currently we can only vote for a candidate.[/p][/quote]Really good idea, one might have a number of points which they could use. For example, you could give 3 points to any candidate, spread them between candidates or say give two positive votes and one negative. Would certainly help turnout I think. Wildwestener
  • Score: 6

2:35pm Thu 22 May 14

Oakhurst Homeowner says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind.

Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff! Oakhurst Homeowner
  • Score: 1

2:49pm Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind.

Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet.

UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures:

"Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU."

I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.
[quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff![/p][/quote]The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get. Wildwestener
  • Score: -2

3:18pm Thu 22 May 14

Oakhurst Homeowner says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.
Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff![/p][/quote]The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.[/p][/quote]Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can... Oakhurst Homeowner
  • Score: 4

4:01pm Thu 22 May 14

BigBarry says...

ChannelX wrote:
Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
yeah but you do have a lot of time on your hands, get a job LOSER,
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]yeah but you do have a lot of time on your hands, get a job LOSER, BigBarry
  • Score: 3

4:06pm Thu 22 May 14

jayrory says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Looking forward to the Tories getting the boot. Fingers crossed.
me to, get them idiots out.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to the Tories getting the boot. Fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]me to, get them idiots out. jayrory
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4:16pm Thu 22 May 14

jayrory says...

Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.
Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...
well said, someone talking sense at last, could,nt agree more with you
[quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff![/p][/quote]The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.[/p][/quote]Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...[/p][/quote]well said, someone talking sense at last, could,nt agree more with you jayrory
  • Score: 1

4:36pm Thu 22 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Sitting on polling stations is not the guide it used to be, as so many lead busy lives where coming away from work is not possible the postal vote is essential.
From seeing the news today on location at various polling stations it is the same elderly shuffle a serious lack of youth. When these voters are gone who will help to pick the future?
The majority of youth seems to have no interest in shaping a better future MSM tells us that for every one that is trying there 20 that are on asbos etc.
Youth centers are being closed and funds withdrawn to keep services in place. Is there a thought that this will improve future standards?
Sitting on polling stations is not the guide it used to be, as so many lead busy lives where coming away from work is not possible the postal vote is essential. From seeing the news today on location at various polling stations it is the same elderly shuffle a serious lack of youth. When these voters are gone who will help to pick the future? The majority of youth seems to have no interest in shaping a better future MSM tells us that for every one that is trying there 20 that are on asbos etc. Youth centers are being closed and funds withdrawn to keep services in place. Is there a thought that this will improve future standards? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.
Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...
Whilst I don't agree with your position, your argument is perfectly reasonable (apart from the Soviet argument). You are right about the parliament being a niodding dog for the COmmission but expect things to change if eurosceptic parties on left and right have enough of a vote to veto legislation. It could happen if they all turn up and work together. We shall see.Anyway best wishes - it is interesting to debate these vital issues of the day and you have made me think a bit about why some might UKIP. Cheers
[quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff![/p][/quote]The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.[/p][/quote]Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...[/p][/quote]Whilst I don't agree with your position, your argument is perfectly reasonable (apart from the Soviet argument). You are right about the parliament being a niodding dog for the COmmission but expect things to change if eurosceptic parties on left and right have enough of a vote to veto legislation. It could happen if they all turn up and work together. We shall see.Anyway best wishes - it is interesting to debate these vital issues of the day and you have made me think a bit about why some might UKIP. Cheers Wildwestener
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12:34am Fri 23 May 14

Oakhurst Homeowner says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.
Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...
Whilst I don't agree with your position, your argument is perfectly reasonable (apart from the Soviet argument). You are right about the parliament being a niodding dog for the COmmission but expect things to change if eurosceptic parties on left and right have enough of a vote to veto legislation. It could happen if they all turn up and work together. We shall see.Anyway best wishes - it is interesting to debate these vital issues of the day and you have made me think a bit about why some might UKIP. Cheers
I know the Soviet analogy may seem exaggerated but there are many parallels. Look what happened during the Euro crisis in Greece and Italy. The EU as it exists today is fundamentally un-democratic and frankly I don't want to be governed by them. Have you ever watched the workings of the EU parliament on TV?

For people like me who want their country back from EU control UKIP is now the only vehicle to achieve that. Only UKIP can put enough pressure on the Conservatives to get an In/out referendum on Europe. The better UKIP do today the more uncomfortable Tory MPs will feel ahead of the the General Election next year.
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff![/p][/quote]The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.[/p][/quote]Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...[/p][/quote]Whilst I don't agree with your position, your argument is perfectly reasonable (apart from the Soviet argument). You are right about the parliament being a niodding dog for the COmmission but expect things to change if eurosceptic parties on left and right have enough of a vote to veto legislation. It could happen if they all turn up and work together. We shall see.Anyway best wishes - it is interesting to debate these vital issues of the day and you have made me think a bit about why some might UKIP. Cheers[/p][/quote]I know the Soviet analogy may seem exaggerated but there are many parallels. Look what happened during the Euro crisis in Greece and Italy. The EU as it exists today is fundamentally un-democratic and frankly I don't want to be governed by them. Have you ever watched the workings of the EU parliament on TV? For people like me who want their country back from EU control UKIP is now the only vehicle to achieve that. Only UKIP can put enough pressure on the Conservatives to get an In/out referendum on Europe. The better UKIP do today the more uncomfortable Tory MPs will feel ahead of the the General Election next year. Oakhurst Homeowner
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