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  • Conservatives increase their majority control of Swindon Council
  • Tories gain one seat to keep control. Majority now stands at two seats.
  • The make up of Swindon Council now stands as - Conservatives 30 seats, Labour 23 seats, Lib Deam four seats.
  • UKIP are the talking point of the night as they come second in a number of wards.

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Further reaction to come on the website shortly. Don't forget, you can see the full list of results, ward by ward, here.

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Don't forget, to view the full results for each ward, click here.

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Make up of Swindon Borough Council now looks a little like this:

Conservative 30 seats

Labour 23 seats

Lib Dem 4 seats

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If you want to see results for all wards as they are announced, click here.

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Full list of results can be found here.

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James Robbins, Labour, 977 votes, said: "I'm absolutely delighted to have been re-elected and it's a huge honor to represent Labour on Swindon Council again. It's interesting to see that UKIP came second, I have retained a similar number of votes, so it doesn't appear that they've taken voters from us."

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Full results will appear here as and when they come through.

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Conservative Justin Tomlinson, North Swindon MP, said: "We are confident as our candidates have ran a really good campaign and I believe they'll do well."

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Conservative leader of the council David Renard said: "We have run a very strong and positive campaign throughout this election. I think each ward had issues which were important rather than one overriding issue. We now just have to see how it pans out." 

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Brian Osbourn, Covingham & Dorcan, said: "We are hearing good things and I hope I get in. I'm a local boy and dedicate myself 24/7 to the role."

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Swindon Advertiser:

This is where the magic happens...

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Swindon Advertiser:

The count goes on at the Oasis, 90 minutes after the polls closed.

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John Short, Swindon's UKIP chairman, said: "We are feeling very good and after sending out around 46,000 manifesto leaflets we've done all we can to get our message out there.

"In the last few years I've restructured Swindon UKIP from top to bottom and I think it is paying dividends now.

"If we come in a close second in our targeted seats we'd be delighted tonight. Then we want to keep building over the coming months and years."

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Labour leader Jim Grant: "I think we have run a strong campaign but the support UKIP have received has surprised a lot of people.

"We have done well in some areas though and there is a lot still to play for."

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Obviously nothing official at this stage but we're hearing UKIP have made big gains across the board. Possibly not enough to take a seat but certainly to knock Labour and Conservative into third place in a lot of wards.
Early to say but there are likely to be a large number of new faces in the council tomorrow morning.

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Stan Pajak, Swindon Liberal Democrats leader, said that he believes the outcome of the election will be too close to call.

He said: "We believe we've done a good job campaigning pushing local issues for this local election.

"I think that's important not to muddy things with national issues. Look what happened when Labour got Ed Miliband here.

"That was very funny. It's a bit like inviting someone to dinner but not knowing who they are.

"I think lots of people are concerned by what effect UKIP will have on the election result whether that's just taking votes or actually seeing councillors elected. We believe we've done a good job pushing for our target seats."

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4:36pm Thu 22 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says

Sitting on polling stations is not the guide it used to be, as so many lead busy lives where coming away from work is not possible the postal vote is essential.
From seeing the news today on location at various polling stations it is the same elderly shuffle a serious lack of youth. When these voters are gone who will help to pick the future?
The majority of youth seems to have no interest in shaping a better future MSM tells us that for every one that is trying there 20 that are on asbos etc.
Youth centers are being closed and funds withdrawn to keep services in place. Is there a thought that this will improve future standards?

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The only Lib Dem candidate up for election, Dave Woods (Eastcott), feels the party have run a positive campaign.

He said: "I think we have been able to focus on the positive things we have done rather than run a negative campaign which puts a lot of people off politics.

"At this stage the result depends on turnout. We have a lot of supporters in the area but its whether they feel it is safe enough for them not to come out and vote."

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Reporters Mike Benke and Craig Jones are both down at the Oasis tonight as the ballots arive and the count begins. Follow them both on Twitter @Michael_Benke and @CJJournalist

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The polls have now closed. 

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All the media are in place and the counters are going through their last preparations. Not long now until the real fun begins. 

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There's been a steady flow of voters at the Clifton Street Social Hall, in the Eastcott ward today.

One voter, who didn't want to be named, said: "I've been working all day but I really wanted to make sure I could exercise my right to vote."

 

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One hour left to get your votes in!

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Ninety minutes until polling stations close. Attention will soon be turning to the Oasis, where the count will take place. We'll be there, live.

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The polling station at Swindon Town's County Ground is starting to quiet down. The team overseeing it said they'd seen a steady influx of voters during the day.

One voter, who didn't wish to be named, said: "I had to vote today as I want to see a change to the way Swindon is run."
 

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One voter was queuing outside the Friends Meeting House, in the Eastcott ward, waiting for the doors to open at 7am this morning. The team from the centre, in Eastcott Hill, said they'd seen a steady flow of voters with the peak period being between 5pm and 6pm.

Given they had one voter at the crack of dawn they are expecting at least one person to turn up to vote at around 9.55pm, just before the station's 10pm closure.

 

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The presiding officer at Lydiard Park Academy said turnout has been slow, with more people voting by post, with other members of the electorate also being put off by the heavy rain earlier this afternoon.

The station expects an improvement in turnout later this evening.

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Swindon Advertiser: General Election Taunton Deane: Polling day is here

Only four hours now until the polls close. This will be the key time when turnout is decided. A lot of people will have returned from work and the weather has picked up so the polling stations could be in for a busy evening.

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Apparently there will be a large media presence at the Oasis tonight, with several national media outlets in attendance. The results in Swindon are set to give a good reflection of the national picture ahead of next year's general election.

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Voting is ticking over at the Croft Sports Centre, in Old Town, with around a third of those registered submitting their ballot. 

John Manniot, 65, said: "We live in a democratic society and I think it's hugely important to express my right to vote.

"My message to those who haven't voted, but aren't happy with the people that represent us, is you don't have a right to complain if you didn't vote."

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The turnout so far at the election is being described as ‘slow but steady’ by returning officers but they are expecting it to pick up later on.

In 2012 there was a rush shortly after 5pm and then another later on just before the ballot closed at 10pm.

Last time, the turnout was in the region of 30 per cent and it is anticipated to be the same this year.

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Just a reminder to everyone that the polls will all remain open until 10pm so if you haven’t gone out to vote there is still plenty of time to do so.


All the ballot boxes will then be taken to the Oasis where they will be verified and then counted. We expect to have the first results at about 11.30pm with a good idea as to how the council will look hopefully about an hour later.


If you don’t feel like going to bed, then join us here where we will have all the reaction from the Oasis.


The count for the European elections will take place on Sunday night which we will also cover.

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As we said earlier, many people will have avoided the rain by sending in a postal vote, all of which had to be returned by Thursday.

Among them is 84-year-old David Walden of Redhouse. He said: "I have already sent my vote. It makes things a lot easier and saves going out on the day.

"I think these days a lot of people struggle to find the time to go out and this makes it a lot easier. Everyone should vote as it's very important."

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And the heavens have opened across the town. Here in North Swindon the sky is full of dark grey clouds.

Hopefully, it will have cleared by 5pm when a lot of people finish work and vote.

Most who plan to vote during the day will have done so already so with a bit of luck turnout won't be too badly affected.

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Turnout at the Tawny Owl pub in Priory Vale appears to be quite low.

In 2012 the North Swindon ward had one of the of the lowest turnouts in the town.

The presiding officer will not say how many people have voted but indicate they've had a quiet day so far.

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A point that has been raised by some in the comments section is the factor postal voting now plays.

Over the last few years there has been a huge increase following changes in who can vote via the post.

Speaking to the deputy returning officer Sally Sprason yesterday, she said more than 28,000 postal votes have been sent out this year.

That is an increase of more than 10,000 on the last European elections five years ago.

This may be a reason why turnout at some polling stations hasn't been high.

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There are mixed views from the people in the town centre about voting. Some believe it is a duty, while others believe it makes no difference so do not bother.


Louis Eton, 21, said: “I do not think it is the politicians which make a big difference in my life. It is more important what I do – that affects my life more.


“Most of the parties are the same so I do not bother.”


By contrast, Jack Payne, 19, of Covingham thought it was important people took an interest in current affairs.


He said: “I am planning on voting later today. I’m not an expert on politics on what’s in the news but I do try and keep up to date.


“It’s important that people have their say.”


We have spoken to spoken to a lot of people who have retired and all of them, without exception, said it is important people go out and vote. Some have even suggested it should be made compulsory.

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12:01pm Thu 22 May 14

Tonyblairisthedevil says

Davey Gravey wrote:
Just been to vote. Nobody else came in or out when I was there. Low turnout yet again?
Most people are at work or like me did a postal vote...

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12:15pm Thu 22 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says

There should also be the possibility to ostracise a person at every elections.
The beauty of Democracy (as the greeks originally invented it) is to vote for but also to vote against, currently we can only vote for a candidate.

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It's very quiet at the Railway Village Community Centre at the moment but  was a little busier early.

That's the story we're hearing in a lot of places, although the rain has so far stayed away which has helped.

A lot of presiding officers feel voting will pick up in the evening as it did in 2012.

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@Michael_Benke: Having been very close in 2012, the ward of St Margaret and South Marston is likely to be a key ward.

The Stratton Leisure Centre has seen more than 140 votes cast already.

One of those who has voted is 20-year-old Rachel Loveless.

She said: "I thinks it's important everyone votes no matter how old. If you don't vote then you can't moan if something happens you don't like.

"I think a lot of older people vote because they have know a lot more about the world. A lot of younger people don't really have an interest in politics."

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More from our correspondent @Michael_Benke at Abbey Meads: "St Andrews is the only ward with two seats up for grabs after Peter Heaton-Jones stood down.

"Historically it's been a strong Conservative Ward but with with a strong UKIP vote expected this time around the Tory vote may be split.

"One polling station at Abbey Meads Primary School has seen a slow start to the day.

"The presiding officer says there has been a trickle of people but having run the station for a number of years he expects it to pick up later on."

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Our reporter @Michael_Benke at the polling station at Commonweal. He reports:

At Commonweal School there has been a steady flow of voters, about 60 so far.

Among them is 43-year-old year old Matthew Simpson who said: "I vote every time but I think this year is important because of all the contentious issues around Europe.

"Because there is so much going on it is important everyone has their say."

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8:53am Thu 22 May 14

Hmmmf says

house on the hill wrote:
Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!

Well political parties clearly have no monopoly on idiocy. The United States received the most British export goods last year. The UK exported £31.7bn worth of products to the US. And guess what? We'd still be able to trade with anyone we wished, on our own terms, whether in or out of Europe, just as we did before the country joined the Common Market over 40 years ago. But it's polling day, hoth, let's not allow facts to colour people's judgement, eh? Let's just call them names if they don't agree with *you*.

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house on the hill says

Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?

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8:05am Thu 22 May 14

ChannelX says

Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.

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8:03am Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says

Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.

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So here’s a brief rundown of the council as we go to the polls. In total there are 57 seats, with the Conservatives holding 29, Labour 23, Lib Dems 4 and a single independent, although they are standing down today.


There are 20 seats up for grabs, with one in each ward (except St Andrews with two following the resignation of a councillor and Ridgeway which only has one councillor).


Also taking places today is the European election. Swindon falls in the South West area (along with Gibraltar) which has six representatives in the European Parliament. On Sunday the votes cast in Swindon will be added to the rest of the votes from the region before the winners are announced.

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As it stands, the predicted rain is just about holding off so hopefully this will mean more people head out.  A few keen voters have already been cast their vote.


At one polling station in Eastcott there were even a people waiting outside when the doors opened at 7am.

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SO here it is, the day a handful of you have been waiting for – election day! There are 20 council seats across the borough up for grabs in the local election as well as the chance to vote in the South West region of the European elections
Polls opened at 7am this morning and will remain so until 10pm when the ballot boxes will be whisked to the Oasis where a team will endeavour to count the votes as quickly as possible.
The first results are expected at about 11.30pm and soon after that we should know the make-up of the council for the next 12 months (when we have to this all over again). The European results are counted next Sunday.
Throughout the day reporters Mike Benke and Craig Jones will be travelling around the town to speak with voters in a desperate attempt to keep you up to date right here with everything that is happening, or indeed not happening, on this rainy looking day.
Once the votes are in we will bring you immediate reactions from the winners and losers (assuming they talk as they no longer have to be nice to us).
If you wish to tell us your thoughts then leave a comment below.

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8:03am Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for. Wildwestener
  • Score: 14

8:05am Thu 22 May 14

ChannelX says...

Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be. ChannelX
  • Score: 6

8:18am Thu 22 May 14

house on the hill says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote? house on the hill
  • Score: -2

8:23am Thu 22 May 14

house on the hill says...

ChannelX wrote:
Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is! house on the hill
  • Score: 2

8:46am Thu 22 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

Looking forward to the Tories getting the boot. Fingers crossed.
Looking forward to the Tories getting the boot. Fingers crossed. Davey Gravey
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8:53am Thu 22 May 14

Hmmmf says...

house on the hill wrote:
Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!

Well political parties clearly have no monopoly on idiocy. The United States received the most British export goods last year. The UK exported £31.7bn worth of products to the US. And guess what? We'd still be able to trade with anyone we wished, on our own terms, whether in or out of Europe, just as we did before the country joined the Common Market over 40 years ago. But it's polling day, hoth, let's not allow facts to colour people's judgement, eh? Let's just call them names if they don't agree with *you*.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/quote] Well political parties clearly have no monopoly on idiocy. The United States received the most British export goods last year. The UK exported £31.7bn worth of products to the US. And guess what? We'd still be able to trade with anyone we wished, on our own terms, whether in or out of Europe, just as we did before the country joined the Common Market over 40 years ago. But it's polling day, hoth, let's not allow facts to colour people's judgement, eh? Let's just call them names if they don't agree with *you*. Hmmmf
  • Score: 5

8:53am Thu 22 May 14

Oakhurst Homeowner says...

house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs?

What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years!

UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there. Oakhurst Homeowner
  • Score: 6

9:16am Thu 22 May 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
What's Iran got to do with anything - you're fined if you don't vote in other democratic countries - such as Australia for instance.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?[/p][/quote]What's Iran got to do with anything - you're fined if you don't vote in other democratic countries - such as Australia for instance. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 5

9:22am Thu 22 May 14

Richard Symonds says...

Speaking as a Candidate I never ask people for whom they are voting, I just make my case and ask them to consider the Independent alternative.

Those who do say how they are going to vote are almost all UKIPers, but it remains to be seen just how many of those are for the local candidate?

Nick Martin blamed UKIP for the loss of his wife Mary's seat in Lydiard Freshbrook in 2012. Could they prevent her from joining him as Husband and Wife Councillors in Shaw..?

Whatever happens today is going to be the most interesting in a very long time.
Speaking as a Candidate I never ask people for whom they are voting, I just make my case and ask them to consider the Independent alternative. Those who do say how they are going to vote are almost all UKIPers, but it remains to be seen just how many of those are for the local candidate? Nick Martin blamed UKIP for the loss of his wife Mary's seat in Lydiard Freshbrook in 2012. Could they prevent her from joining him as Husband and Wife Councillors in Shaw..? Whatever happens today is going to be the most interesting in a very long time. Richard Symonds
  • Score: 7

9:54am Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom.
If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely.
Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?[/p][/quote]I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom. If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely. Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame. Wildwestener
  • Score: 8

10:05am Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs?

What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years!

UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water.

Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
[quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much. Wildwestener
  • Score: 2

10:06am Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Hey Adver, how about reports from polling stations not within a stone's throw of your offices? we don't all live in Old Town you know
Hey Adver, how about reports from polling stations not within a stone's throw of your offices? we don't all live in Old Town you know Wildwestener
  • Score: 6

10:47am Thu 22 May 14

house on the hill says...

Wildwestener wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom.
If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely.
Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.
Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you!
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?[/p][/quote]I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom. If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely. Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.[/p][/quote]Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you! house on the hill
  • Score: -2

11:09am Thu 22 May 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom.
If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely.
Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.
Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you!
Or it could be said the majority could care either way or were too lazy to vote.

Not bothering to vote (or spoil the paper) cannot be interpreted as a protest vote because you cannot distinguish between can't be bothered and a protest vote.

A spoilt paper is a protest vote, but that requires effort to make it.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?[/p][/quote]I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom. If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely. Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.[/p][/quote]Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you![/p][/quote]Or it could be said the majority could care either way or were too lazy to vote. Not bothering to vote (or spoil the paper) cannot be interpreted as a protest vote because you cannot distinguish between can't be bothered and a protest vote. A spoilt paper is a protest vote, but that requires effort to make it. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 4

11:13am Thu 22 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

ChannelX wrote:
Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
Well done you.
I am sure your vote as your opinion will be invaluable to us all.
I am sure Mr Farage will thank you personally
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]Well done you. I am sure your vote as your opinion will be invaluable to us all. I am sure Mr Farage will thank you personally Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -4

11:14am Thu 22 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

Just been to vote. Nobody else came in or out when I was there. Low turnout yet again?
Just been to vote. Nobody else came in or out when I was there. Low turnout yet again? Davey Gravey
  • Score: -1

12:01pm Thu 22 May 14

Tonyblairisthedevil says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Just been to vote. Nobody else came in or out when I was there. Low turnout yet again?
Most people are at work or like me did a postal vote...
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Just been to vote. Nobody else came in or out when I was there. Low turnout yet again?[/p][/quote]Most people are at work or like me did a postal vote... Tonyblairisthedevil
  • Score: 0

12:15pm Thu 22 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

There should also be the possibility to ostracise a person at every elections.
The beauty of Democracy (as the greeks originally invented it) is to vote for but also to vote against, currently we can only vote for a candidate.
There should also be the possibility to ostracise a person at every elections. The beauty of Democracy (as the greeks originally invented it) is to vote for but also to vote against, currently we can only vote for a candidate. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 3

12:16pm Thu 22 May 14

ChannelX says...

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
Well done you.
I am sure your vote as your opinion will be invaluable to us all.
I am sure Mr Farage will thank you personally
You're only showing yourself up. Could you actually be anymore childish if you tried?

I'm sure you will.
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]Well done you. I am sure your vote as your opinion will be invaluable to us all. I am sure Mr Farage will thank you personally[/p][/quote]You're only showing yourself up. Could you actually be anymore childish if you tried? I'm sure you will. ChannelX
  • Score: -5

12:59pm Thu 22 May 14

house on the hill says...

Hmmmf wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!

Well political parties clearly have no monopoly on idiocy. The United States received the most British export goods last year. The UK exported £31.7bn worth of products to the US. And guess what? We'd still be able to trade with anyone we wished, on our own terms, whether in or out of Europe, just as we did before the country joined the Common Market over 40 years ago. But it's polling day, hoth, let's not allow facts to colour people's judgement, eh? Let's just call them names if they don't agree with *you*.
pot, kettle black at all then???????
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/quote] Well political parties clearly have no monopoly on idiocy. The United States received the most British export goods last year. The UK exported £31.7bn worth of products to the US. And guess what? We'd still be able to trade with anyone we wished, on our own terms, whether in or out of Europe, just as we did before the country joined the Common Market over 40 years ago. But it's polling day, hoth, let's not allow facts to colour people's judgement, eh? Let's just call them names if they don't agree with *you*.[/p][/quote]pot, kettle black at all then??????? house on the hill
  • Score: -2

1:52pm Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.
I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?
I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom.
If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely.
Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.
Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you!
Sorry, you critized my post, then when I responded to disagree with you, you claim I'm bullying you. I don't recall saying that you were wrong, I merely offered a different opinion to yours. How have I "slagged you off", perhaps by suggesting that a certain position (moaining, not doing) is lame. Never mentioned you in that, I have no idea what you do or don't do and don't really care what you do or don't do as an individual, I was talking about the issue.

Please don't come in here throwing accusations of bullying around; it's called debate - just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a bully. If you actually read my posts I'm advocating participating in the election, even if registering a "None of the Above". I have talked about how that is a more positive stance than simply boycotting the election. Of course you are entitled to disagree with me (and I have not suggested anything else) but by the same token I am allowed to disagree with you without being accused of being a bully.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Looking around the world at how difficult it can be at times for people to exercise any democratic rights, I am so pleased that I live in a democracy, that whilst not perfect, at least offers us the chance to vote for whoever we like. Everyone should vote today to recognise that right, whoever they vote for.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little flawed. We cant vote for whoever we like we can only vote for those who are on the ballot paper so there are still restrictions on the whole process. And as I said yesterday, we have at present a coalition Govt that not one person in the entire country voted for, which does make a bit of a mockery of the whole process! And it is also your democratic right not to vote if you choose to because you dont think any of the parties or candidates are worth voting for, or would you rather be like Iran where everyone is forced to vote?[/p][/quote]I didn't say everyone should be forced to vote, just that as a country where you are free to do so, you should do so and celebrate that freedom. If none of the candidates float your vote, still go and then write "None of the Above" on the ballot paper. If you don't vote at all then you are apathetic; if you register a protest spoiled paper, you are registering dissatisfaction which is a different thing entirely. Better still, stand yourself if noone else will do for you. At the end of the day, moaning about everyone else and not doing something yourself is a)your democratic right and b) pretty lame.[/p][/quote]Sorry it is the system that is broken and I would rather not bother to vote for something that clearly doesn't work. I think last time round the turn out was very small so clearly the majority (democracy) disagree with you as usual! And I am not moaning just making a point, it is you who like to play the bully and slag everyone else off who doesn.t agree with you on a regular basis. I am more than happy that we are all different and have different opinions, but as with yours they are opinions not facts, there is no right or wrong just opinion and if anyone is lame and narrow minded and arrogant in the extreme it is you![/p][/quote]Sorry, you critized my post, then when I responded to disagree with you, you claim I'm bullying you. I don't recall saying that you were wrong, I merely offered a different opinion to yours. How have I "slagged you off", perhaps by suggesting that a certain position (moaining, not doing) is lame. Never mentioned you in that, I have no idea what you do or don't do and don't really care what you do or don't do as an individual, I was talking about the issue. Please don't come in here throwing accusations of bullying around; it's called debate - just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a bully. If you actually read my posts I'm advocating participating in the election, even if registering a "None of the Above". I have talked about how that is a more positive stance than simply boycotting the election. Of course you are entitled to disagree with me (and I have not suggested anything else) but by the same token I am allowed to disagree with you without being accused of being a bully. Wildwestener
  • Score: 5

2:03pm Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
There should also be the possibility to ostracise a person at every elections.
The beauty of Democracy (as the greeks originally invented it) is to vote for but also to vote against, currently we can only vote for a candidate.
Really good idea, one might have a number of points which they could use. For example, you could give 3 points to any candidate, spread them between candidates or say give two positive votes and one negative. Would certainly help turnout I think.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: There should also be the possibility to ostracise a person at every elections. The beauty of Democracy (as the greeks originally invented it) is to vote for but also to vote against, currently we can only vote for a candidate.[/p][/quote]Really good idea, one might have a number of points which they could use. For example, you could give 3 points to any candidate, spread them between candidates or say give two positive votes and one negative. Would certainly help turnout I think. Wildwestener
  • Score: 6

2:35pm Thu 22 May 14

Oakhurst Homeowner says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind.

Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff! Oakhurst Homeowner
  • Score: 1

2:49pm Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind.

Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet.

UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures:

"Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU."

I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.
[quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff![/p][/quote]The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get. Wildwestener
  • Score: -2

3:18pm Thu 22 May 14

Oakhurst Homeowner says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.
Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff![/p][/quote]The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.[/p][/quote]Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can... Oakhurst Homeowner
  • Score: 4

4:01pm Thu 22 May 14

BigBarry says...

ChannelX wrote:
Well said.

I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
yeah but you do have a lot of time on your hands, get a job LOSER,
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]yeah but you do have a lot of time on your hands, get a job LOSER, BigBarry
  • Score: 3

4:06pm Thu 22 May 14

jayrory says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Looking forward to the Tories getting the boot. Fingers crossed.
me to, get them idiots out.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to the Tories getting the boot. Fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]me to, get them idiots out. jayrory
  • Score: 4

4:16pm Thu 22 May 14

jayrory says...

Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.
Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...
well said, someone talking sense at last, could,nt agree more with you
[quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff![/p][/quote]The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.[/p][/quote]Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...[/p][/quote]well said, someone talking sense at last, could,nt agree more with you jayrory
  • Score: 1

4:36pm Thu 22 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Sitting on polling stations is not the guide it used to be, as so many lead busy lives where coming away from work is not possible the postal vote is essential.
From seeing the news today on location at various polling stations it is the same elderly shuffle a serious lack of youth. When these voters are gone who will help to pick the future?
The majority of youth seems to have no interest in shaping a better future MSM tells us that for every one that is trying there 20 that are on asbos etc.
Youth centers are being closed and funds withdrawn to keep services in place. Is there a thought that this will improve future standards?
Sitting on polling stations is not the guide it used to be, as so many lead busy lives where coming away from work is not possible the postal vote is essential. From seeing the news today on location at various polling stations it is the same elderly shuffle a serious lack of youth. When these voters are gone who will help to pick the future? The majority of youth seems to have no interest in shaping a better future MSM tells us that for every one that is trying there 20 that are on asbos etc. Youth centers are being closed and funds withdrawn to keep services in place. Is there a thought that this will improve future standards? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Thu 22 May 14

Wildwestener says...

Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.
Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...
Whilst I don't agree with your position, your argument is perfectly reasonable (apart from the Soviet argument). You are right about the parliament being a niodding dog for the COmmission but expect things to change if eurosceptic parties on left and right have enough of a vote to veto legislation. It could happen if they all turn up and work together. We shall see.Anyway best wishes - it is interesting to debate these vital issues of the day and you have made me think a bit about why some might UKIP. Cheers
[quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff![/p][/quote]The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.[/p][/quote]Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...[/p][/quote]Whilst I don't agree with your position, your argument is perfectly reasonable (apart from the Soviet argument). You are right about the parliament being a niodding dog for the COmmission but expect things to change if eurosceptic parties on left and right have enough of a vote to veto legislation. It could happen if they all turn up and work together. We shall see.Anyway best wishes - it is interesting to debate these vital issues of the day and you have made me think a bit about why some might UKIP. Cheers Wildwestener
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Oakhurst Homeowner says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
Wildwestener wrote:
Oakhurst Homeowner wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
ChannelX wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.
That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is!
Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.
"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.
Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff!
The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.
Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...
Whilst I don't agree with your position, your argument is perfectly reasonable (apart from the Soviet argument). You are right about the parliament being a niodding dog for the COmmission but expect things to change if eurosceptic parties on left and right have enough of a vote to veto legislation. It could happen if they all turn up and work together. We shall see.Anyway best wishes - it is interesting to debate these vital issues of the day and you have made me think a bit about why some might UKIP. Cheers
I know the Soviet analogy may seem exaggerated but there are many parallels. Look what happened during the Euro crisis in Greece and Italy. The EU as it exists today is fundamentally un-democratic and frankly I don't want to be governed by them. Have you ever watched the workings of the EU parliament on TV?

For people like me who want their country back from EU control UKIP is now the only vehicle to achieve that. Only UKIP can put enough pressure on the Conservatives to get an In/out referendum on Europe. The better UKIP do today the more uncomfortable Tory MPs will feel ahead of the the General Election next year.
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oakhurst Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Well said. I've been out to vote. The more people who do, the more accurate and fair the representation might be.[/p][/quote]That depends on whether people actually understand what they are voting for and I know you have your doubts as to whether that is true! Far to many would just vote for a turnip if it was wearing the right colour (although that now wont happen is he stepped down from being Mayor!). It will be interesting to see how many vote for the UK Idiots Party though. Lets break all ties with our biggest trading partners, what a wonderful idea that is![/p][/quote]Our biggest trading partners sell us more than we sell them. That is how business works...seems you don't understand that whether we are in EU or not BMW need to continue selling us BMWs. The United States is not in the EU - do EU citizens stop buying McDonalds BIg Macs? What people are voting for today is to decide who has the power over us - politicians in Brussells or those in Westminster. Even though the latter are a bunch of rogues (half of them anyway) at least I can get rid of them every 5 years! UKIP will win today's EU elections for one reason only - they are the only party that actively works to remove the UK from the new "Soviet" Empire called the EU. Look at their heavy handed dealings and political intereference in Ukraine and the result; they precipitated the problems there.[/p][/quote]"New Soviet Empire" - really? Do you not see the irony of making that analogy on election day for a European Parliament. Soviet citizens of the past would have loved the chance to vote for their government. The EU is far from perfect and personally I am undecided if we are better off in or out but that comparison does not hold water. Also, you are not voting today for who has power over us: Brussells or Westminster, you are voting for who sits in the European Parliament. UKIP MEPs have a track record of taking their expenses and not attending a lot or representing us very much (unlike their work on local councils where they have a very good record). If you think that's a good use of your tax pounds and that it will help Britain leave Europe you go ahead and vote for them, but at least do so knowing what you are going to get. Voting UKIP will not make Britain leave the EU. It's a protest vote against the status quo and and understandable one for many, just don't think it'll change the world too much.[/p][/quote]Re: New "Soviet Empire". Doesn't my analogy hold water? Let's see...What else would you call a Government that ignores the outcomes of democratic referendums across Europe and makes them keep voting until they get the answer they want? A European Commission (Politburo) that we don't elect that sets nearly all our laws. George Orwell 1984 spings to mind. Today we ARE voting for who represents us in this undemocratic behemoth. Do we want the Europhile Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties who have presided over decades of lost sovereignty to the United States of Europe and want even more despite what they saty, or do we want people who want to get us out and continually highlight from within the deficiencies of the "EU parliament" (a sham rubber-stamping body for the EU commision). Actually UKIP attend a lot - look on youtube for Nigel Farage and EU parliament. Cracking stuff![/p][/quote]The Eu is a mess I agree with you, I just think you lose something by comparing it to the Soviets which had a much more repressive regime. As far as I'm aware, the EU hasn't rounded up eurosceptics and put them in gulags yet. UKIP's attendance is a matter of public record. This from the (hardly left wing Daily Mail reporting official EU figures: "Ukip has been revealed as the laziest party in the whole of Europe, missing more than one in three votes in Brussels. Nigel Farage’s MEPs turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU." I'm not saying don't vote for them, all I'm saying is vote knowing what you'll get.[/p][/quote]Re: UKIP missing a few votes in Brussels. If you look at the makeup of the EU parliament and understand how the EU works and its role vis the EU commission then you should know it doesn't matter about the votes in parliament. The EU parliament doesn't initiate legislation - it only rubber stamps. The real legislative power is with the unelected Commission. What UKIPs presence does is symbolic and ensures there is at least one loud voice of dis-satisfaction within the EU hegemony. No UK party can reform the EU from within - this is where David Cameron is in cloud cuckoo land. Mind you he knows that - he just tries to mislead people by saying he can...[/p][/quote]Whilst I don't agree with your position, your argument is perfectly reasonable (apart from the Soviet argument). You are right about the parliament being a niodding dog for the COmmission but expect things to change if eurosceptic parties on left and right have enough of a vote to veto legislation. It could happen if they all turn up and work together. We shall see.Anyway best wishes - it is interesting to debate these vital issues of the day and you have made me think a bit about why some might UKIP. Cheers[/p][/quote]I know the Soviet analogy may seem exaggerated but there are many parallels. Look what happened during the Euro crisis in Greece and Italy. The EU as it exists today is fundamentally un-democratic and frankly I don't want to be governed by them. Have you ever watched the workings of the EU parliament on TV? For people like me who want their country back from EU control UKIP is now the only vehicle to achieve that. Only UKIP can put enough pressure on the Conservatives to get an In/out referendum on Europe. The better UKIP do today the more uncomfortable Tory MPs will feel ahead of the the General Election next year. Oakhurst Homeowner
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