UKIP celebrates Euro victory

UKIP leader Nigel Farage

UKIP leader Nigel Farage

First published in News

IT was another night of celebration for UKIP as the party collected the most votes in Swindon at the European elections.

The result, announced on Sunday at the Oasis, follows on from success in last week’s local elections, where the anti-EU party secured more than 20 per cent of the vote, although they received no seats on the council.

There was a mixed result for the three main parties in the election, with the Conservatives finishing in second place ahead of the Labour Party.

The Liberal Democrats’ poor performance nationally in Europe was mirrored in Swindon where they finished in fifth place behind the Green party.

Votes in Swindon were then added to the rest of the South West region to calculate the six MEPs who would represent the region.

Following the election there are now two UKIP representatives, two Conservative, one Labour and one Green.

The Labour and the Green MEPs have replaced Conservative and Lib Dem representatives.

UKIP managed to secure more than 17,000 votes, making them comfortable winners in an historic victory.

It is the first time a party other than the Conservatives or Labour has won a town-wide election since the Second World War.

Speaking after the count, chairman of Swindon UKIP John Short said it was a superb result and believes the party is in prime position to take seats at the next general election.

He said: “As you can imagine I am a bit lost for words. This is a fantastic night for us and the party as a whole.

“It shows that people want something different and from here we will go from strength to strength.

“UKIP is a political force in Swindon and can no longer be ignored by the other parties. I want to thank everyone in Swindon who came out to vote for us.

“I also want to thank those who ran the election for doing such a good job as well.”

The Conservative Party were also pleased with the result, believing that to be ahead of Labour so close to next year’s General Election leaves them in a very strong position.

Swindon North MP Justin Tomlinson said: “The results of these elections have been absolutely catastrophic for the Labour party.

“The local elections and now these results have been a total disaster. The Ed Miliband effect is leading Labour to a total meltdown.

“You have to say congratulations to UKIP who improved their vote share, and you have to wonder who will be the main opposition at the election next year, UKIP or Labour.”

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7:41am Tue 27 May 14

Wildwestener says...

How about all the figures for those of us who are interested. UKIP got over 17,000, ok, what did they actually get and what di the other parties get?

Oh and Tomlinson's spin is just daft on this. Not a good night for anyone except UKIP
How about all the figures for those of us who are interested. UKIP got over 17,000, ok, what did they actually get and what di the other parties get? Oh and Tomlinson's spin is just daft on this. Not a good night for anyone except UKIP Wildwestener
  • Score: 12

8:12am Tue 27 May 14

stratton man says...

Tomlinsons comments are rather bizarre as Labour gained 300 seats and the Tories lost 300 seats.Still his insane spin shows why people are flocking to UKIP.
Tomlinsons comments are rather bizarre as Labour gained 300 seats and the Tories lost 300 seats.Still his insane spin shows why people are flocking to UKIP. stratton man
  • Score: 7

8:25am Tue 27 May 14

house on the hill says...

And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality
And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality house on the hill
  • Score: -2

8:35am Tue 27 May 14

adsinibiza says...

house on the hill wrote:
And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality
or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality[/p][/quote]or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide adsinibiza
  • Score: -14

8:52am Tue 27 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

I feel sorry for the Libdems really, they went out to argue their case on national TV twice and they lost in a fair fight but at least they had the courage to fight for what they believed in.
The tories and Labour just did not have the courage and conviction to face UKIP, and just behaved like cowards.
UKIP made History and it is now up to everyone and every politician to listen to the voters.
Some European countries, are now experiencing a dangerous slide into far right or far left, It is evident that politicians are not listening and have not been listening to the voters for a very long time.....
I feel sorry for the Libdems really, they went out to argue their case on national TV twice and they lost in a fair fight but at least they had the courage to fight for what they believed in. The tories and Labour just did not have the courage and conviction to face UKIP, and just behaved like cowards. UKIP made History and it is now up to everyone and every politician to listen to the voters. Some European countries, are now experiencing a dangerous slide into far right or far left, It is evident that politicians are not listening and have not been listening to the voters for a very long time..... A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 14

8:52am Tue 27 May 14

Always Grumpy says...

adsinibiza wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality
or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide
You sound like a disgruntled Clegg supporter, believing all his lies and spin!
[quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality[/p][/quote]or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide[/p][/quote]You sound like a disgruntled Clegg supporter, believing all his lies and spin! Always Grumpy
  • Score: 9

8:58am Tue 27 May 14

Hmmmf says...

house on the hill wrote:
And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality
I thought you said you didn't vote? What's the results got to do with you?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality[/p][/quote]I thought you said you didn't vote? What's the results got to do with you? Hmmmf
  • Score: 14

9:34am Tue 27 May 14

Morsey says...

Poor old JT must be living in a different world, putting on a very brave face ... what's he on about ... the whole of voting Europe has shown that the ruling body is not fit for purpose under the current rules and regs. The tide is, unfortunately, very unsettling and could lead to massive consequences.
Poor old JT must be living in a different world, putting on a very brave face ... what's he on about ... the whole of voting Europe has shown that the ruling body is not fit for purpose under the current rules and regs. The tide is, unfortunately, very unsettling and could lead to massive consequences. Morsey
  • Score: 3

10:45am Tue 27 May 14

ChannelX says...

Labour, by all rights, *should* have wiped the floor with the Tories - but they didn't, at all. In fact, Labour lost huge ground to UKIP.

Look at France, look at Germany, Italy, Greece... in all the major countries across Europe the political tide is turning towards parties on the right.

The left have had it all their own way for far too long, and look at the mess it's got us all in.

UKIP, the only remotely right-wing party in Britain, are taking votes from Labour in their traditional heartlands. That is surely more worrying for Labour than Tory voters going with UKIP.

The more the likes of Miliband remain at the head of the main parties, the more ground UKIP will make.

The more the likes of House on the Hill spout their scaremongering about UKP, the more popular UKIP will become.

Those on the left very clearly never had the answers and people are fed up of being told what to do, think and say by what is actually a minority of deluded and very misguided people. No wonder people feel it's time for a change.
Labour, by all rights, *should* have wiped the floor with the Tories - but they didn't, at all. In fact, Labour lost huge ground to UKIP. Look at France, look at Germany, Italy, Greece... in all the major countries across Europe the political tide is turning towards parties on the right. The left have had it all their own way for far too long, and look at the mess it's got us all in. UKIP, the only remotely right-wing party in Britain, are taking votes from Labour in their traditional heartlands. That is surely more worrying for Labour than Tory voters going with UKIP. The more the likes of Miliband remain at the head of the main parties, the more ground UKIP will make. The more the likes of House on the Hill spout their scaremongering about UKP, the more popular UKIP will become. Those on the left very clearly never had the answers and people are fed up of being told what to do, think and say by what is actually a minority of deluded and very misguided people. No wonder people feel it's time for a change. ChannelX
  • Score: 2

11:24am Tue 27 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

ChannelX wrote:
Labour, by all rights, *should* have wiped the floor with the Tories - but they didn't, at all. In fact, Labour lost huge ground to UKIP.

Look at France, look at Germany, Italy, Greece... in all the major countries across Europe the political tide is turning towards parties on the right.

The left have had it all their own way for far too long, and look at the mess it's got us all in.

UKIP, the only remotely right-wing party in Britain, are taking votes from Labour in their traditional heartlands. That is surely more worrying for Labour than Tory voters going with UKIP.

The more the likes of Miliband remain at the head of the main parties, the more ground UKIP will make.

The more the likes of House on the Hill spout their scaremongering about UKP, the more popular UKIP will become.

Those on the left very clearly never had the answers and people are fed up of being told what to do, think and say by what is actually a minority of deluded and very misguided people. No wonder people feel it's time for a change.
I just hope that this will be repeated at the next GE, I would dread to think what a Labour majority would mean for Britain.
Another coalition would be the only way to limit the damages.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Labour, by all rights, *should* have wiped the floor with the Tories - but they didn't, at all. In fact, Labour lost huge ground to UKIP. Look at France, look at Germany, Italy, Greece... in all the major countries across Europe the political tide is turning towards parties on the right. The left have had it all their own way for far too long, and look at the mess it's got us all in. UKIP, the only remotely right-wing party in Britain, are taking votes from Labour in their traditional heartlands. That is surely more worrying for Labour than Tory voters going with UKIP. The more the likes of Miliband remain at the head of the main parties, the more ground UKIP will make. The more the likes of House on the Hill spout their scaremongering about UKP, the more popular UKIP will become. Those on the left very clearly never had the answers and people are fed up of being told what to do, think and say by what is actually a minority of deluded and very misguided people. No wonder people feel it's time for a change.[/p][/quote]I just hope that this will be repeated at the next GE, I would dread to think what a Labour majority would mean for Britain. Another coalition would be the only way to limit the damages. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: -4

11:41am Tue 27 May 14

adsinibiza says...

Always Grumpy wrote:
adsinibiza wrote:
house on the hill wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality
or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide
You sound like a disgruntled Clegg supporter, believing all his lies and spin!
Not at all - my concerns are twofold:

Firstly I'm concerned at the economic effect that pulling out of the EU would have on jobs in this country. Despite what Farage says (or thinks) there is no guarantee that we would or could continue to trade as we do with the rest of the EU.

Secondly there are 2 and a half million Brits living in other EU countries - what is going to happen to then if Farage pulls the plug on the EU?

I do however agree with other posters that the EU needs reform as it has been dominated by the left for far too long with all the consequences of that - the EU needs a Thatcheresque sorting out!
[quote][p][bold]Always Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality[/p][/quote]or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide[/p][/quote]You sound like a disgruntled Clegg supporter, believing all his lies and spin![/p][/quote]Not at all - my concerns are twofold: Firstly I'm concerned at the economic effect that pulling out of the EU would have on jobs in this country. Despite what Farage says (or thinks) there is no guarantee that we would or could continue to trade as we do with the rest of the EU. Secondly there are 2 and a half million Brits living in other EU countries - what is going to happen to then if Farage pulls the plug on the EU? I do however agree with other posters that the EU needs reform as it has been dominated by the left for far too long with all the consequences of that - the EU needs a Thatcheresque sorting out! adsinibiza
  • Score: -3

11:43am Tue 27 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth?
The Tories made losses, labour made gains.
People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour.

Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.
Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth? The Tories made losses, labour made gains. People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour. Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -1

11:52am Tue 27 May 14

adsinibiza says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth? The Tories made losses, labour made gains. People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour. Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.
I think you are right about UKIP no doing so well next year but at present I think the most likely outcome is another coalition
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth? The Tories made losses, labour made gains. People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour. Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.[/p][/quote]I think you are right about UKIP no doing so well next year but at present I think the most likely outcome is another coalition adsinibiza
  • Score: -4

12:54pm Tue 27 May 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth?
The Tories made losses, labour made gains.
People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour.

Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.
The Tories beat Labour in the Euro elections in Swindon and across Wiltshire.

Just as they beat Labour in the local elections in Swindon to return a stronger Tory council.

Labour won't win any general election while Miliband is leader. People aren't that stupid.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth? The Tories made losses, labour made gains. People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour. Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.[/p][/quote]The Tories beat Labour in the Euro elections in Swindon and across Wiltshire. Just as they beat Labour in the local elections in Swindon to return a stronger Tory council. Labour won't win any general election while Miliband is leader. People aren't that stupid. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

12:56pm Tue 27 May 14

ChannelX says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Labour, by all rights, *should* have wiped the floor with the Tories - but they didn't, at all. In fact, Labour lost huge ground to UKIP.

Look at France, look at Germany, Italy, Greece... in all the major countries across Europe the political tide is turning towards parties on the right.

The left have had it all their own way for far too long, and look at the mess it's got us all in.

UKIP, the only remotely right-wing party in Britain, are taking votes from Labour in their traditional heartlands. That is surely more worrying for Labour than Tory voters going with UKIP.

The more the likes of Miliband remain at the head of the main parties, the more ground UKIP will make.

The more the likes of House on the Hill spout their scaremongering about UKP, the more popular UKIP will become.

Those on the left very clearly never had the answers and people are fed up of being told what to do, think and say by what is actually a minority of deluded and very misguided people. No wonder people feel it's time for a change.
I just hope that this will be repeated at the next GE, I would dread to think what a Labour majority would mean for Britain.
Another coalition would be the only way to limit the damages.
A Tory/UKIP coalition would certainly be far more successful for the nation than the rather pointless Tory/LibDem coalition we've had to endure.

Clegg is finished, the LibDems are finished. Hopefully UKIP will hold the balance of power and you can bet your house they won't align with Red Miliband and his socialist nightmare.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Labour, by all rights, *should* have wiped the floor with the Tories - but they didn't, at all. In fact, Labour lost huge ground to UKIP. Look at France, look at Germany, Italy, Greece... in all the major countries across Europe the political tide is turning towards parties on the right. The left have had it all their own way for far too long, and look at the mess it's got us all in. UKIP, the only remotely right-wing party in Britain, are taking votes from Labour in their traditional heartlands. That is surely more worrying for Labour than Tory voters going with UKIP. The more the likes of Miliband remain at the head of the main parties, the more ground UKIP will make. The more the likes of House on the Hill spout their scaremongering about UKP, the more popular UKIP will become. Those on the left very clearly never had the answers and people are fed up of being told what to do, think and say by what is actually a minority of deluded and very misguided people. No wonder people feel it's time for a change.[/p][/quote]I just hope that this will be repeated at the next GE, I would dread to think what a Labour majority would mean for Britain. Another coalition would be the only way to limit the damages.[/p][/quote]A Tory/UKIP coalition would certainly be far more successful for the nation than the rather pointless Tory/LibDem coalition we've had to endure. Clegg is finished, the LibDems are finished. Hopefully UKIP will hold the balance of power and you can bet your house they won't align with Red Miliband and his socialist nightmare. ChannelX
  • Score: 1

1:16pm Tue 27 May 14

house on the hill says...

adsinibiza wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality
or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide
All the negative thumbs on your post sum up why I don't bother to vote. Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for. The only good thing is that pretty much every country in Europe seems to have woken up to the fact that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.
[quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality[/p][/quote]or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide[/p][/quote]All the negative thumbs on your post sum up why I don't bother to vote. Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for. The only good thing is that pretty much every country in Europe seems to have woken up to the fact that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse. house on the hill
  • Score: -2

1:51pm Tue 27 May 14

Hmmmf says...

house on the hill wrote:
Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for.

And you know this for a fact, do you? You have evidence for this calumny?
Or is it in fact more likely that since you can't be bothered to vote yourself, you just feel like insulting anyone who actually does take part in the democratic process. Like all the people who voted in 'pretty much every country in Europe' and took the time to express the sentiment 'that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.'
They voted for change. You sat on your backside doing nothing, and for reasons known only to you, you seem proud to have done so.
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for.[/quote] And you know this for a fact, do you? You have evidence for this calumny? Or is it in fact more likely that since you can't be bothered to vote yourself, you just feel like insulting anyone who actually does take part in the democratic process. Like all the people who voted in 'pretty much every country in Europe' and took the time to express the sentiment 'that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.' They voted for change. You sat on your backside doing nothing, and for reasons known only to you, you seem proud to have done so. Hmmmf
  • Score: 11

2:19pm Tue 27 May 14

house on the hill says...

Hmmmf wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for.

And you know this for a fact, do you? You have evidence for this calumny?
Or is it in fact more likely that since you can't be bothered to vote yourself, you just feel like insulting anyone who actually does take part in the democratic process. Like all the people who voted in 'pretty much every country in Europe' and took the time to express the sentiment 'that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.'
They voted for change. You sat on your backside doing nothing, and for reasons known only to you, you seem proud to have done so.
and clearly you seem proud to have voted for a system that is completely broken and doesn't work. And actually not proud at all, completely ashamed of what politics and politicians and hangers on have become. Totally arrogant and self serving scheming manipulators and about as far removed from those who vote as diamond is from sh1t. If you want to feed these morons ego's and fall into their trap please be my guest, I have better things to do thanks!
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for.[/quote] And you know this for a fact, do you? You have evidence for this calumny? Or is it in fact more likely that since you can't be bothered to vote yourself, you just feel like insulting anyone who actually does take part in the democratic process. Like all the people who voted in 'pretty much every country in Europe' and took the time to express the sentiment 'that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.' They voted for change. You sat on your backside doing nothing, and for reasons known only to you, you seem proud to have done so.[/p][/quote]and clearly you seem proud to have voted for a system that is completely broken and doesn't work. And actually not proud at all, completely ashamed of what politics and politicians and hangers on have become. Totally arrogant and self serving scheming manipulators and about as far removed from those who vote as diamond is from sh1t. If you want to feed these morons ego's and fall into their trap please be my guest, I have better things to do thanks! house on the hill
  • Score: 0

2:47pm Tue 27 May 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Labour, by all rights, *should* have wiped the floor with the Tories - but they didn't, at all. In fact, Labour lost huge ground to UKIP.

Look at France, look at Germany, Italy, Greece... in all the major countries across Europe the political tide is turning towards parties on the right.

The left have had it all their own way for far too long, and look at the mess it's got us all in.

UKIP, the only remotely right-wing party in Britain, are taking votes from Labour in their traditional heartlands. That is surely more worrying for Labour than Tory voters going with UKIP.

The more the likes of Miliband remain at the head of the main parties, the more ground UKIP will make.

The more the likes of House on the Hill spout their scaremongering about UKP, the more popular UKIP will become.

Those on the left very clearly never had the answers and people are fed up of being told what to do, think and say by what is actually a minority of deluded and very misguided people. No wonder people feel it's time for a change.
I just hope that this will be repeated at the next GE, I would dread to think what a Labour majority would mean for Britain.
Another coalition would be the only way to limit the damages.
A Tory/UKIP coalition would certainly be far more successful for the nation than the rather pointless Tory/LibDem coalition we've had to endure.

Clegg is finished, the LibDems are finished. Hopefully UKIP will hold the balance of power and you can bet your house they won't align with Red Miliband and his socialist nightmare.
Looking at the polls it is difficult to see any party able to hold a workable majority in Parliament 2015.
Therefore a coalition seems a credible and democratic option than a minority government (whatever its colour) that would be unable with a hung Parliament.
Putting the politics aside, we need a functioning cabinet able to deliver the necessary changes and steer the country.
Order is better than paralysis or worse.....Chaos.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Labour, by all rights, *should* have wiped the floor with the Tories - but they didn't, at all. In fact, Labour lost huge ground to UKIP. Look at France, look at Germany, Italy, Greece... in all the major countries across Europe the political tide is turning towards parties on the right. The left have had it all their own way for far too long, and look at the mess it's got us all in. UKIP, the only remotely right-wing party in Britain, are taking votes from Labour in their traditional heartlands. That is surely more worrying for Labour than Tory voters going with UKIP. The more the likes of Miliband remain at the head of the main parties, the more ground UKIP will make. The more the likes of House on the Hill spout their scaremongering about UKP, the more popular UKIP will become. Those on the left very clearly never had the answers and people are fed up of being told what to do, think and say by what is actually a minority of deluded and very misguided people. No wonder people feel it's time for a change.[/p][/quote]I just hope that this will be repeated at the next GE, I would dread to think what a Labour majority would mean for Britain. Another coalition would be the only way to limit the damages.[/p][/quote]A Tory/UKIP coalition would certainly be far more successful for the nation than the rather pointless Tory/LibDem coalition we've had to endure. Clegg is finished, the LibDems are finished. Hopefully UKIP will hold the balance of power and you can bet your house they won't align with Red Miliband and his socialist nightmare.[/p][/quote]Looking at the polls it is difficult to see any party able to hold a workable majority in Parliament 2015. Therefore a coalition seems a credible and democratic option than a minority government (whatever its colour) that would be unable with a hung Parliament. Putting the politics aside, we need a functioning cabinet able to deliver the necessary changes and steer the country. Order is better than paralysis or worse.....Chaos. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 2

2:52pm Tue 27 May 14

adsinibiza says...

house on the hill wrote:
adsinibiza wrote:
house on the hill wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality
or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide
All the negative thumbs on your post sum up why I don't bother to vote. Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for. The only good thing is that pretty much every country in Europe seems to have woken up to the fact that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.
I would agree that this is a lot of misunderstanding and disinformation about the EU going around at the moment - most of it pedalled by UKIP and their supporters.

Possibly the best example of this surrounds human righs - the European Court of Human Rights and the Human Rights act have nothing to do with the EU whatsoever - but you try telling that to the average UKIP supporter/voter - they just won't accept it

But this sort of thing is nothing new - for example just about everyone and his dog seems to think that Maggie cut spending on the NHS year on year when in reality NHS spending increased in real terms every year she was in power other than 2
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality[/p][/quote]or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide[/p][/quote]All the negative thumbs on your post sum up why I don't bother to vote. Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for. The only good thing is that pretty much every country in Europe seems to have woken up to the fact that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.[/p][/quote]I would agree that this is a lot of misunderstanding and disinformation about the EU going around at the moment - most of it pedalled by UKIP and their supporters. Possibly the best example of this surrounds human righs - the European Court of Human Rights and the Human Rights act have nothing to do with the EU whatsoever - but you try telling that to the average UKIP supporter/voter - they just won't accept it But this sort of thing is nothing new - for example just about everyone and his dog seems to think that Maggie cut spending on the NHS year on year when in reality NHS spending increased in real terms every year she was in power other than 2 adsinibiza
  • Score: -3

3:06pm Tue 27 May 14

ChannelX says...

adsinibiza wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
adsinibiza wrote:
house on the hill wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality
or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide
All the negative thumbs on your post sum up why I don't bother to vote. Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for. The only good thing is that pretty much every country in Europe seems to have woken up to the fact that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.
I would agree that this is a lot of misunderstanding and disinformation about the EU going around at the moment - most of it pedalled by UKIP and their supporters.

Possibly the best example of this surrounds human righs - the European Court of Human Rights and the Human Rights act have nothing to do with the EU whatsoever - but you try telling that to the average UKIP supporter/voter - they just won't accept it

But this sort of thing is nothing new - for example just about everyone and his dog seems to think that Maggie cut spending on the NHS year on year when in reality NHS spending increased in real terms every year she was in power other than 2
You're right... to a point. For example, the current government now spends more on the NHS than the last Labour government did on an annual basis, and yet those on the Left continually go on about 'cuts' and how the NHS is 'being destroyed'.

However, it IS true that - thanks to Tony Blair - the UK does have to operate under the ECHR and follow the HRA so long as we continue to be members of the EU. We simply cannot ignore it AND continue to be members of the EU, not without significant problems anyway.

There are things no UK government can implement and still have Britain remain in the EU. That's kind of the problem.
[quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality[/p][/quote]or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide[/p][/quote]All the negative thumbs on your post sum up why I don't bother to vote. Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for. The only good thing is that pretty much every country in Europe seems to have woken up to the fact that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.[/p][/quote]I would agree that this is a lot of misunderstanding and disinformation about the EU going around at the moment - most of it pedalled by UKIP and their supporters. Possibly the best example of this surrounds human righs - the European Court of Human Rights and the Human Rights act have nothing to do with the EU whatsoever - but you try telling that to the average UKIP supporter/voter - they just won't accept it But this sort of thing is nothing new - for example just about everyone and his dog seems to think that Maggie cut spending on the NHS year on year when in reality NHS spending increased in real terms every year she was in power other than 2[/p][/quote]You're right... to a point. For example, the current government now spends more on the NHS than the last Labour government did on an annual basis, and yet those on the Left continually go on about 'cuts' and how the NHS is 'being destroyed'. However, it IS true that - thanks to Tony Blair - the UK does have to operate under the ECHR and follow the HRA so long as we continue to be members of the EU. We simply cannot ignore it AND continue to be members of the EU, not without significant problems anyway. There are things no UK government can implement and still have Britain remain in the EU. That's kind of the problem. ChannelX
  • Score: 4

4:18pm Tue 27 May 14

adsinibiza says...

ChannelX wrote:
adsinibiza wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
adsinibiza wrote:
house on the hill wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality
or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide
All the negative thumbs on your post sum up why I don't bother to vote. Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for. The only good thing is that pretty much every country in Europe seems to have woken up to the fact that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.
I would agree that this is a lot of misunderstanding and disinformation about the EU going around at the moment - most of it pedalled by UKIP and their supporters. Possibly the best example of this surrounds human righs - the European Court of Human Rights and the Human Rights act have nothing to do with the EU whatsoever - but you try telling that to the average UKIP supporter/voter - they just won't accept it But this sort of thing is nothing new - for example just about everyone and his dog seems to think that Maggie cut spending on the NHS year on year when in reality NHS spending increased in real terms every year she was in power other than 2
You're right... to a point. For example, the current government now spends more on the NHS than the last Labour government did on an annual basis, and yet those on the Left continually go on about 'cuts' and how the NHS is 'being destroyed'. However, it IS true that - thanks to Tony Blair - the UK does have to operate under the ECHR and follow the HRA so long as we continue to be members of the EU. We simply cannot ignore it AND continue to be members of the EU, not without significant problems anyway. There are things no UK government can implement and still have Britain remain in the EU. That's kind of the problem.
After a little research I have found the following - strictly speaking the UK could leave the ECHR without leaving the EU but the "UK will have to ensure that domestically it has established a strong and effective mechanism for the protection of human rights"

http://www.euroright
s.org.uk/post/464186
89287/can-the-uk-ret
ain-its-membership-i
n-the-eu-if-it

seems quite a complicated issue though!
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality[/p][/quote]or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide[/p][/quote]All the negative thumbs on your post sum up why I don't bother to vote. Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for. The only good thing is that pretty much every country in Europe seems to have woken up to the fact that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.[/p][/quote]I would agree that this is a lot of misunderstanding and disinformation about the EU going around at the moment - most of it pedalled by UKIP and their supporters. Possibly the best example of this surrounds human righs - the European Court of Human Rights and the Human Rights act have nothing to do with the EU whatsoever - but you try telling that to the average UKIP supporter/voter - they just won't accept it But this sort of thing is nothing new - for example just about everyone and his dog seems to think that Maggie cut spending on the NHS year on year when in reality NHS spending increased in real terms every year she was in power other than 2[/p][/quote]You're right... to a point. For example, the current government now spends more on the NHS than the last Labour government did on an annual basis, and yet those on the Left continually go on about 'cuts' and how the NHS is 'being destroyed'. However, it IS true that - thanks to Tony Blair - the UK does have to operate under the ECHR and follow the HRA so long as we continue to be members of the EU. We simply cannot ignore it AND continue to be members of the EU, not without significant problems anyway. There are things no UK government can implement and still have Britain remain in the EU. That's kind of the problem.[/p][/quote]After a little research I have found the following - strictly speaking the UK could leave the ECHR without leaving the EU but the "UK will have to ensure that domestically it has established a strong and effective mechanism for the protection of human rights" http://www.euroright s.org.uk/post/464186 89287/can-the-uk-ret ain-its-membership-i n-the-eu-if-it seems quite a complicated issue though! adsinibiza
  • Score: 0

6:29pm Tue 27 May 14

Robh says...

I was allowed to vote in or out in the early seventies. None of may friends or family voted in but it happened. Not once were we told of the affect on our laws and way of life nor did we think that there would be so many ex USSR countries jumping on the band wagon with their hands out.

There are now too many rules and regulations and the whole thing has become a monster. We should look at the world market not just Europe
I was allowed to vote in or out in the early seventies. None of may friends or family voted in but it happened. Not once were we told of the affect on our laws and way of life nor did we think that there would be so many ex USSR countries jumping on the band wagon with their hands out. There are now too many rules and regulations and the whole thing has become a monster. We should look at the world market not just Europe Robh
  • Score: 0

7:18pm Tue 27 May 14

Davey Gravey says...

ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth?
The Tories made losses, labour made gains.
People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour.

Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.
The Tories beat Labour in the Euro elections in Swindon and across Wiltshire.

Just as they beat Labour in the local elections in Swindon to return a stronger Tory council.

Labour won't win any general election while Miliband is leader. People aren't that stupid.
Locally, yes. Nationally,losses for the Tories, gains for labour.
No matter how you or tomlinson dress it up that is a fact.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth? The Tories made losses, labour made gains. People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour. Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.[/p][/quote]The Tories beat Labour in the Euro elections in Swindon and across Wiltshire. Just as they beat Labour in the local elections in Swindon to return a stronger Tory council. Labour won't win any general election while Miliband is leader. People aren't that stupid.[/p][/quote]Locally, yes. Nationally,losses for the Tories, gains for labour. No matter how you or tomlinson dress it up that is a fact. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 2

7:27pm Tue 27 May 14

LordAshOfTheBrake says...

Robh wrote:
I was allowed to vote in or out in the early seventies. None of may friends or family voted in but it happened. Not once were we told of the affect on our laws and way of life nor did we think that there would be so many ex USSR countries jumping on the band wagon with their hands out.

There are now too many rules and regulations and the whole thing has become a monster. We should look at the world market not just Europe
What people voted for in the 70s was a common market, a trading pact. They did not vote for a parliament and another set of politicians to be elected.
[quote][p][bold]Robh[/bold] wrote: I was allowed to vote in or out in the early seventies. None of may friends or family voted in but it happened. Not once were we told of the affect on our laws and way of life nor did we think that there would be so many ex USSR countries jumping on the band wagon with their hands out. There are now too many rules and regulations and the whole thing has become a monster. We should look at the world market not just Europe[/p][/quote]What people voted for in the 70s was a common market, a trading pact. They did not vote for a parliament and another set of politicians to be elected. LordAshOfTheBrake
  • Score: 4

10:01am Wed 28 May 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth?
The Tories made losses, labour made gains.
People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour.

Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.
The Tories beat Labour in the Euro elections in Swindon and across Wiltshire.

Just as they beat Labour in the local elections in Swindon to return a stronger Tory council.

Labour won't win any general election while Miliband is leader. People aren't that stupid.
Locally, yes. Nationally,losses for the Tories, gains for labour.
No matter how you or tomlinson dress it up that is a fact.
I didn't claim otherwise. But even Labour acknowledge they didn't do anything like as well as an opposition party should have done at this stage.

Does not bode well for their general election hopes next year.

But, as I've said, your party has no hope while Miliband remains leader.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth? The Tories made losses, labour made gains. People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour. Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.[/p][/quote]The Tories beat Labour in the Euro elections in Swindon and across Wiltshire. Just as they beat Labour in the local elections in Swindon to return a stronger Tory council. Labour won't win any general election while Miliband is leader. People aren't that stupid.[/p][/quote]Locally, yes. Nationally,losses for the Tories, gains for labour. No matter how you or tomlinson dress it up that is a fact.[/p][/quote]I didn't claim otherwise. But even Labour acknowledge they didn't do anything like as well as an opposition party should have done at this stage. Does not bode well for their general election hopes next year. But, as I've said, your party has no hope while Miliband remains leader. ChannelX
  • Score: -2

10:03am Wed 28 May 14

ChannelX says...

adsinibiza wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
adsinibiza wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
adsinibiza wrote:
house on the hill wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality
or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide
All the negative thumbs on your post sum up why I don't bother to vote. Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for. The only good thing is that pretty much every country in Europe seems to have woken up to the fact that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.
I would agree that this is a lot of misunderstanding and disinformation about the EU going around at the moment - most of it pedalled by UKIP and their supporters. Possibly the best example of this surrounds human righs - the European Court of Human Rights and the Human Rights act have nothing to do with the EU whatsoever - but you try telling that to the average UKIP supporter/voter - they just won't accept it But this sort of thing is nothing new - for example just about everyone and his dog seems to think that Maggie cut spending on the NHS year on year when in reality NHS spending increased in real terms every year she was in power other than 2
You're right... to a point. For example, the current government now spends more on the NHS than the last Labour government did on an annual basis, and yet those on the Left continually go on about 'cuts' and how the NHS is 'being destroyed'. However, it IS true that - thanks to Tony Blair - the UK does have to operate under the ECHR and follow the HRA so long as we continue to be members of the EU. We simply cannot ignore it AND continue to be members of the EU, not without significant problems anyway. There are things no UK government can implement and still have Britain remain in the EU. That's kind of the problem.
After a little research I have found the following - strictly speaking the UK could leave the ECHR without leaving the EU but the "UK will have to ensure that domestically it has established a strong and effective mechanism for the protection of human rights"

http://www.euroright

s.org.uk/post/464186

89287/can-the-uk-ret

ain-its-membership-i

n-the-eu-if-it

seems quite a complicated issue though!
Yes, what that means is, "You can leave the ECHR and HRA as long as you have legislation in place that is basically the same as the ECHR and HRA"

That's what the EU is all about - pretending nations have some level of control over themselves when, in reality, they really don't, at all.

So, yes, the UK *could* leave the ECHR and HRA as long as the EU approved it. Which they wouldn't unless the UK was running legislation that was at least as ridiculous and self-defeating as the ECHR and HRA.
[quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adsinibiza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: And you seriously believe UKIP will be any different? They are just telling people what they think they want to hear without any clear policy on what they would do if actually elected. They talk of privatising the NHS which would be the first step on the way to the end of free healthcare, reducing house building which would kill off any chances of recovery. A very dangerous situation in reality[/p][/quote]or indeed the 3 and a hal million jobs put at risk through leaving the EU - voting UKIP in next year's general election would be similar to turkeys voting for Christmas - national economic suicide[/p][/quote]All the negative thumbs on your post sum up why I don't bother to vote. Far to many have no real idea what they are voting for, they just latch on to one soundbite or vote winning idea and don't bother to look at the fine print about what they actually stand for. The only good thing is that pretty much every country in Europe seems to have woken up to the fact that in its current form, the EU isn't working, isn't popular and needs changing before it does collapse.[/p][/quote]I would agree that this is a lot of misunderstanding and disinformation about the EU going around at the moment - most of it pedalled by UKIP and their supporters. Possibly the best example of this surrounds human righs - the European Court of Human Rights and the Human Rights act have nothing to do with the EU whatsoever - but you try telling that to the average UKIP supporter/voter - they just won't accept it But this sort of thing is nothing new - for example just about everyone and his dog seems to think that Maggie cut spending on the NHS year on year when in reality NHS spending increased in real terms every year she was in power other than 2[/p][/quote]You're right... to a point. For example, the current government now spends more on the NHS than the last Labour government did on an annual basis, and yet those on the Left continually go on about 'cuts' and how the NHS is 'being destroyed'. However, it IS true that - thanks to Tony Blair - the UK does have to operate under the ECHR and follow the HRA so long as we continue to be members of the EU. We simply cannot ignore it AND continue to be members of the EU, not without significant problems anyway. There are things no UK government can implement and still have Britain remain in the EU. That's kind of the problem.[/p][/quote]After a little research I have found the following - strictly speaking the UK could leave the ECHR without leaving the EU but the "UK will have to ensure that domestically it has established a strong and effective mechanism for the protection of human rights" http://www.euroright s.org.uk/post/464186 89287/can-the-uk-ret ain-its-membership-i n-the-eu-if-it seems quite a complicated issue though![/p][/quote]Yes, what that means is, "You can leave the ECHR and HRA as long as you have legislation in place that is basically the same as the ECHR and HRA" That's what the EU is all about - pretending nations have some level of control over themselves when, in reality, they really don't, at all. So, yes, the UK *could* leave the ECHR and HRA as long as the EU approved it. Which they wouldn't unless the UK was running legislation that was at least as ridiculous and self-defeating as the ECHR and HRA. ChannelX
  • Score: 0

1:19pm Wed 28 May 14

house on the hill says...

ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth?
The Tories made losses, labour made gains.
People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour.

Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.
The Tories beat Labour in the Euro elections in Swindon and across Wiltshire.

Just as they beat Labour in the local elections in Swindon to return a stronger Tory council.

Labour won't win any general election while Miliband is leader. People aren't that stupid.
Locally, yes. Nationally,losses for the Tories, gains for labour.
No matter how you or tomlinson dress it up that is a fact.
I didn't claim otherwise. But even Labour acknowledge they didn't do anything like as well as an opposition party should have done at this stage.

Does not bode well for their general election hopes next year.

But, as I've said, your party has no hope while Miliband remains leader.
And the fact they just want to borrow and spend us back into bankruptcy and reverse all the much needed reforms in the welfare state and buy back those votes! Short memories and no understanding of bigger pictures than just their narrow little lives will destroy the country if we are not careful.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Does tomlinson even believe that drivel from his mouth? The Tories made losses, labour made gains. People are deserting the Tories for ukip. Only 1 in 7 of their voters was previously labour. Ukip will not fair so well in next years general election. I think it will be a close call between labour and the conservatives. The former just edging it.[/p][/quote]The Tories beat Labour in the Euro elections in Swindon and across Wiltshire. Just as they beat Labour in the local elections in Swindon to return a stronger Tory council. Labour won't win any general election while Miliband is leader. People aren't that stupid.[/p][/quote]Locally, yes. Nationally,losses for the Tories, gains for labour. No matter how you or tomlinson dress it up that is a fact.[/p][/quote]I didn't claim otherwise. But even Labour acknowledge they didn't do anything like as well as an opposition party should have done at this stage. Does not bode well for their general election hopes next year. But, as I've said, your party has no hope while Miliband remains leader.[/p][/quote]And the fact they just want to borrow and spend us back into bankruptcy and reverse all the much needed reforms in the welfare state and buy back those votes! Short memories and no understanding of bigger pictures than just their narrow little lives will destroy the country if we are not careful. house on the hill
  • Score: -6

2:03pm Sat 31 May 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Only read the headlines, cant be bothered to research what a party stands for? Feel like blaming others for your problems then UKIP is the party for you.

Farage said we need new partners in Europe does he means his far right friends he has been meeting with? Jobbik, Lega Norda etc etc...Like so many other topics he has refused to be drawn on specifics. Its all a lie just like the rest of the parties.
My major concern over UKIP is that they are a distraction from actual politics.
Only read the headlines, cant be bothered to research what a party stands for? Feel like blaming others for your problems then UKIP is the party for you. Farage said we need new partners in Europe does he means his far right friends he has been meeting with? Jobbik, Lega Norda etc etc...Like so many other topics he has refused to be drawn on specifics. Its all a lie just like the rest of the parties. My major concern over UKIP is that they are a distraction from actual politics. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

12:42pm Mon 2 Jun 14

IfItsONtheNet says...

ChannelX wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Labour, by all rights, *should* have wiped the floor with the Tories - but they didn't, at all. In fact, Labour lost huge ground to UKIP.

Look at France, look at Germany, Italy, Greece... in all the major countries across Europe the political tide is turning towards parties on the right.

The left have had it all their own way for far too long, and look at the mess it's got us all in.

UKIP, the only remotely right-wing party in Britain, are taking votes from Labour in their traditional heartlands. That is surely more worrying for Labour than Tory voters going with UKIP.

The more the likes of Miliband remain at the head of the main parties, the more ground UKIP will make.

The more the likes of House on the Hill spout their scaremongering about UKP, the more popular UKIP will become.

Those on the left very clearly never had the answers and people are fed up of being told what to do, think and say by what is actually a minority of deluded and very misguided people. No wonder people feel it's time for a change.
I just hope that this will be repeated at the next GE, I would dread to think what a Labour majority would mean for Britain.
Another coalition would be the only way to limit the damages.
A Tory/UKIP coalition would certainly be far more successful for the nation than the rather pointless Tory/LibDem coalition we've had to endure.

Clegg is finished, the LibDems are finished. Hopefully UKIP will hold the balance of power and you can bet your house they won't align with Red Miliband and his socialist nightmare.
So that we could once again have a government we didnt vote for?
Successive governments have failed the people of this county and it does need change.
Your suggestion appears to be more of the same.
There are numerous forums even threads on this site where people have stated they had no idea what they voted for.
That is not the fault of the party but of the people for not checking people need to be educated about cause and effect so they can make an informed choice rather than being given an opinion. maybe that is why UKIP wish to stop spending on education.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: Labour, by all rights, *should* have wiped the floor with the Tories - but they didn't, at all. In fact, Labour lost huge ground to UKIP. Look at France, look at Germany, Italy, Greece... in all the major countries across Europe the political tide is turning towards parties on the right. The left have had it all their own way for far too long, and look at the mess it's got us all in. UKIP, the only remotely right-wing party in Britain, are taking votes from Labour in their traditional heartlands. That is surely more worrying for Labour than Tory voters going with UKIP. The more the likes of Miliband remain at the head of the main parties, the more ground UKIP will make. The more the likes of House on the Hill spout their scaremongering about UKP, the more popular UKIP will become. Those on the left very clearly never had the answers and people are fed up of being told what to do, think and say by what is actually a minority of deluded and very misguided people. No wonder people feel it's time for a change.[/p][/quote]I just hope that this will be repeated at the next GE, I would dread to think what a Labour majority would mean for Britain. Another coalition would be the only way to limit the damages.[/p][/quote]A Tory/UKIP coalition would certainly be far more successful for the nation than the rather pointless Tory/LibDem coalition we've had to endure. Clegg is finished, the LibDems are finished. Hopefully UKIP will hold the balance of power and you can bet your house they won't align with Red Miliband and his socialist nightmare.[/p][/quote]So that we could once again have a government we didnt vote for? Successive governments have failed the people of this county and it does need change. Your suggestion appears to be more of the same. There are numerous forums even threads on this site where people have stated they had no idea what they voted for. That is not the fault of the party but of the people for not checking people need to be educated about cause and effect so they can make an informed choice rather than being given an opinion. maybe that is why UKIP wish to stop spending on education. IfItsONtheNet
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