First 24-hour firefighter strike announced after minister ploughs ahead with 'unworkable' pension scheme

First 24-hour firefighter strike announced after minister ploughs ahead with 'unworkable' pension scheme

First 24-hour firefighter strike announced after minister ploughs ahead with 'unworkable' pension scheme

First published in News

FIREFIGHTERS in England and Wales will strike again over attacks on their pensions after the government confirmed it would implement a new scheme without further negotiations.

A 24-hour strike — the longest yet in the three-year campaign — will take place from 9am on Thursday, June 12, with another set for 10am to 5pm on Saturday, June 21.

In addition between the two strikes firefighters will not carry out any voluntary overtime — which is routinely needed by many fire and rescue services to maintain fire cover — or conduct training of strikebreakers between the beginning of the first strike and 9am on Sunday, June 22.

Matt Wrack, general secretary of the Fire Brigades Union, said: “The minister has decided to bury his head in the sand, but he must accept that firefighters simply will not give up fighting for their futures — and our fire and rescue service.

“Concerns over these unworkable proposals remain as valid and grave as ever, and the government has ignored all the evidence including it’s own reports.

“It is as ever a difficult decision for us to take, but the only way for us to resolve this unnecessary and costly dispute is for the government to start listening to reason.”

The decision to strike was made at a meeting of the FBU’s executive council yesterday.

On Tuesday FBU officials had met the fire minister, Brandon Lewis, in the hope that discussion could continue, although their appeal fell on deaf ears.

On May 23, the minister opened a ‘consultation’ on their proposals, signalling an end to discussions with firefighters over the scheme.

However, the Department for Communities and Local Government is still refusing to publish alternative, fully-costed proposals that they have admitted to being in possession of since March 19.

As a result, the FBU argues that the firefighters, the public and other parties — including ministers in the Welsh and Scottish governments — are being kept in the dark, and the consultation being rendered meaningless.

Before 2010, firefighters already contributed one of the highest proportions of their salary towards their pensions (11 per cent), and in April this increased for the third year running.

Firefighters typically now pay over £4,000 a year from a £29,000 salary, and the government has announced they will impose another increase in 2015.

The FBU says increasing numbers of members are considering leaving the pension scheme as a result of its decreasing affordability — posing difficult questions over its sustainability.

Under the government’s proposals, firefighters who are forced to retire before the age of 60 as a result of ageing will have half of their pension taken away.

The government’s own report, published in December 2013 by Dr Tony Williams, found that large numbers of firefighters would be unable to maintain operational fitness until 60.

The two strikes will be the thirteenth and fourteenth over pensions. The first was on Thursday 24 September 2013.
 

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1:51pm Thu 5 Jun 14

house on the hill says...

Still don't really understand why fireman think they are some sort of special case. Millions of people in the country started work on contracts that included good final salary pension schemes only to see them amended or ended years ago and will have to work far longer than they thought when they started work. And with higher life expectancy, they will receive their pensions for longer so clearly someone has to pay for that, why should it be other people and not them? Their pensions should be on the same terms as other schemes and they should not get them at 55. Many other people have to find different jobs at that age and start again, why not them?

Sorry this just reeks of selfishness and arrogance that somehow their job is more important than others! You are **** lucky to have any sort of final salary pension, just be a bit more grateful for how much the taxpayer will still contribute to your retirement.
Still don't really understand why fireman think they are some sort of special case. Millions of people in the country started work on contracts that included good final salary pension schemes only to see them amended or ended years ago and will have to work far longer than they thought when they started work. And with higher life expectancy, they will receive their pensions for longer so clearly someone has to pay for that, why should it be other people and not them? Their pensions should be on the same terms as other schemes and they should not get them at 55. Many other people have to find different jobs at that age and start again, why not them? Sorry this just reeks of selfishness and arrogance that somehow their job is more important than others! You are **** lucky to have any sort of final salary pension, just be a bit more grateful for how much the taxpayer will still contribute to your retirement. house on the hill
  • Score: 10

2:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

ChannelX says...

There are numerous jobs that people find physically demanding/impossible after the age of 55, yet there is nobody there to steal from to fund their pensions pots.
There are numerous jobs that people find physically demanding/impossible after the age of 55, yet there is nobody there to steal from to fund their pensions pots. ChannelX
  • Score: 7

4:20pm Thu 5 Jun 14

stu2010 says...

Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.
Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are. stu2010
  • Score: 3

6:16pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Mango man says...

The poor loves, having to go to work and sleep all night ( granted they do get called out 10% of the time ). Wakey Wakey guys, you've got a great job with good prospects, maybe not quite the ones you signed up to but at least you've got a secure job. Let's hope the press publicise how many actual callouts there are during the stroke period to again prove what a ridiculous situation they're putting themselves in.
The poor loves, having to go to work and sleep all night ( granted they do get called out 10% of the time ). Wakey Wakey guys, you've got a great job with good prospects, maybe not quite the ones you signed up to but at least you've got a secure job. Let's hope the press publicise how many actual callouts there are during the stroke period to again prove what a ridiculous situation they're putting themselves in. Mango man
  • Score: 5

7:15pm Thu 5 Jun 14

trolley dolley says...

Most fit people could do the job of a firefighter, all they would need is the training.

There are many people who would jump at the opportunity of doing their job, so come on don't strike, resign from the job.

All this nonsense about being professional is just talk. The firefighters are nothing special, just people who very occasionally are called out to a fire or road accident.

Just do the job you are paid to do, or LEAVE.
Most fit people could do the job of a firefighter, all they would need is the training. There are many people who would jump at the opportunity of doing their job, so come on don't strike, resign from the job. All this nonsense about being professional is just talk. The firefighters are nothing special, just people who very occasionally are called out to a fire or road accident. Just do the job you are paid to do, or LEAVE. trolley dolley
  • Score: 11

7:26pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

stu2010 wrote:
Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.
You have no idea do you. ****
[quote][p][bold]stu2010[/bold] wrote: Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.[/p][/quote]You have no idea do you. **** Davey Gravey
  • Score: -23

7:54pm Thu 5 Jun 14

bradley red 1 says...

Greed,Greed,Greed and more Greed!!!
Greed,Greed,Greed and more Greed!!! bradley red 1
  • Score: 7

9:08pm Thu 5 Jun 14

acdw1985 says...

Some clueless comments here !!
Some clueless comments here !! acdw1985
  • Score: -14

7:32am Fri 6 Jun 14

ChannelX says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
stu2010 wrote:
Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.
You have no idea do you. ****
He is entitled to his opinion - and it's one that many would agree with.

Just because you don't doesn't mean you should insult him. Although, like so many on the Left, that's all you ever do to those who don't share your beliefs and toe the line you want them to.

Thankfully, it's actually you that the majority don't agree with.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stu2010[/bold] wrote: Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.[/p][/quote]You have no idea do you. ****[/p][/quote]He is entitled to his opinion - and it's one that many would agree with. Just because you don't doesn't mean you should insult him. Although, like so many on the Left, that's all you ever do to those who don't share your beliefs and toe the line you want them to. Thankfully, it's actually you that the majority don't agree with. ChannelX
  • Score: 2

7:42am Fri 6 Jun 14

ChannelX says...

Even if firefighters enter the job in their early to mid-20s and remain there until they retire at 55, they'll only have worked around 30 years.

Many of them will live until they are mid-80s and often beyond that.

Which means, in a significant number of cases, the taxpayer will pay their pensions for a longer period of time than they actually worked during their entire working life.

How can anyone possibly think that's remotely sustainable?
Even if firefighters enter the job in their early to mid-20s and remain there until they retire at 55, they'll only have worked around 30 years. Many of them will live until they are mid-80s and often beyond that. Which means, in a significant number of cases, the taxpayer will pay their pensions for a longer period of time than they actually worked during their entire working life. How can anyone possibly think that's remotely sustainable? ChannelX
  • Score: 5

11:06am Fri 6 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Another case of public servants milking the taxpayers........tim
e for private contracts!
Another case of public servants milking the taxpayers........tim e for private contracts! A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 4

8:45pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
stu2010 wrote:
Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.
You have no idea do you. ****
He is entitled to his opinion - and it's one that many would agree with.

Just because you don't doesn't mean you should insult him. Although, like so many on the Left, that's all you ever do to those who don't share your beliefs and toe the line you want them to.

Thankfully, it's actually you that the majority don't agree with.
Nice fiddling.
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stu2010[/bold] wrote: Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.[/p][/quote]You have no idea do you. ****[/p][/quote]He is entitled to his opinion - and it's one that many would agree with. Just because you don't doesn't mean you should insult him. Although, like so many on the Left, that's all you ever do to those who don't share your beliefs and toe the line you want them to. Thankfully, it's actually you that the majority don't agree with.[/p][/quote]Nice fiddling. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -8

8:57pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
stu2010 wrote:
Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.
You have no idea do you. ****
He is entitled to his opinion - and it's one that many would agree with.

Just because you don't doesn't mean you should insult him. Although, like so many on the Left, that's all you ever do to those who don't share your beliefs and toe the line you want them to.

Thankfully, it's actually you that the majority don't agree with.
Lame trolling.
Very lame
👎
[quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stu2010[/bold] wrote: Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.[/p][/quote]You have no idea do you. ****[/p][/quote]He is entitled to his opinion - and it's one that many would agree with. Just because you don't doesn't mean you should insult him. Although, like so many on the Left, that's all you ever do to those who don't share your beliefs and toe the line you want them to. Thankfully, it's actually you that the majority don't agree with.[/p][/quote]Lame trolling. Very lame 👎 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -6

12:00pm Sat 7 Jun 14

ChannelX says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
ChannelX wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
stu2010 wrote:
Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.
You have no idea do you. ****
He is entitled to his opinion - and it's one that many would agree with.

Just because you don't doesn't mean you should insult him. Although, like so many on the Left, that's all you ever do to those who don't share your beliefs and toe the line you want them to.

Thankfully, it's actually you that the majority don't agree with.
Lame trolling.
Very lame
👎
Maybe, given you're the grand master at trolling, you'd give me some lessons in it one day?
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChannelX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stu2010[/bold] wrote: Well 24hr strikes don't work so why they bothering. They're scared to go out any longer in case the country realises we don't actually need them. Labourers with ladders is all they are.[/p][/quote]You have no idea do you. ****[/p][/quote]He is entitled to his opinion - and it's one that many would agree with. Just because you don't doesn't mean you should insult him. Although, like so many on the Left, that's all you ever do to those who don't share your beliefs and toe the line you want them to. Thankfully, it's actually you that the majority don't agree with.[/p][/quote]Lame trolling. Very lame 👎[/p][/quote]Maybe, given you're the grand master at trolling, you'd give me some lessons in it one day? ChannelX
  • Score: 2

1:08pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

Ooh another thumb fiddle. So obvious, so blatant.
Ooh another thumb fiddle. So obvious, so blatant. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -5

6:00pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

And sad 😄
And sad 😄 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -2

1:16pm Sun 8 Jun 14

trolley dolley says...

For goodness sake people, try to stay on subject instead of acting like children.

The message you should be putting out is, telling the firefighters to either get back to work or resign.

It is a job that can be done by many people with some training.

It is not like training a Doctor or Airline Pilot.

This post will be removed tomorrow, so if you want to comment then get a move on.
For goodness sake people, try to stay on subject instead of acting like children. The message you should be putting out is, telling the firefighters to either get back to work or resign. It is a job that can be done by many people with some training. It is not like training a Doctor or Airline Pilot. This post will be removed tomorrow, so if you want to comment then get a move on. trolley dolley
  • Score: 0

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