High-level talks over Regent Circus "dangers"

Concerns have been raised over pedestrian crossings at the new Regent Circus complex. Picture: THOMAS KELSEY

Concerns have been raised over pedestrian crossings at the new Regent Circus complex. Picture: THOMAS KELSEY Buy this photo

First published in News Swindon Advertiser: Photograph of the Author by , @BerenCross

RESIDENTS are optimistic changes can be made to avert possible danger at the controversial Regent Circus development.

Swindon Back Garden Residents’ Association secretary Peter Green is to meet councillors and officials from the project to discuss concerns.

There have been calls for attention to be drawn to the way in which traffic is being directed around the building site and how pedestrians are allowed to cross.

The area between Victoria Road and Commercial Road has now been transformed into a raised pedestrian island, with a 20mph zone in which traffic should give way to them. But those on foot believe motorists are either unaware of the system or unwilling to stop, leaving them stranded and forced to cross three lanes.

Swindon Council said the crossing is incomplete, but two independent safety reviews have taken place with another scheduled for when the work is done.

Now progress is being made with meetings set to take place between Eastcott councillors, council officials, an engineer and residents, including Mr Green, of Swindon Back Garden.

Mr Green said: “We have raised the issue over the dangerous traffic for a long time and not been getting anywhere, but the Back Garden seems to have convinced them (the council) we are not evil.

“All we have wanted is for them to talk to us and communicate with us. Hopefully we will now have this meeting that Dave (Wood, Eastcott councillor) was trying to tease out.

“I like the idea of making it easier to drift from town into Morrisons, but the trouble is without the right signs it’s dangerous. They have now started to talk to us. I think Dave was talking to Robert Buckland (South Swindon MP). I don’t know if that helped.

“It was nothing deliberate on the council’s part, I just think there had been a difficulty in understanding exactly what each side wanted. I am hoping that meeting will clear up a lot of the worries. Without the signs and education for motorists it’s dangerous.”

A council spokesman said: “Council officers from the highways team and local ward councillors are trying to find a date and time where they can meet to discuss the issues. We have already had conversations with residents to reassure them we understand their concerns and will try and resolve them.

“There has been a request made by a ward councillor to include council officers from the planning team at that meeting as well as from highways.

“But as the issue is being managed and overseen by highways experts and as there are no immediate planning issues involved, the planners do not need to be there.”

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7:12am Sat 28 Jun 14

Chriswuzere says...

If they were to paint black & white lines on the floor then I will stop for pedestrians otherwise if they step out they better hope my brakes work .
Since when as a bit of fancy brick work mean give way to pedestrians, the planners need to read up on the Highway Code & not make up there own rules & expect motorists to know what it means!
If they were to paint black & white lines on the floor then I will stop for pedestrians otherwise if they step out they better hope my brakes work . Since when as a bit of fancy brick work mean give way to pedestrians, the planners need to read up on the Highway Code & not make up there own rules & expect motorists to know what it means! Chriswuzere
  • Score: 39

7:19am Sat 28 Jun 14

John~R says...

“But as the issue is being managed and overseen by highways experts....".

That's the root of the problem. They tend to be full of theory and detached from the reality of what happens on the ground.

Painting it with black and white stripes and putting up some orange flashing lights might get motorists to realise that it's a pedestrian crossing. However, proper pedestrian crossings are such a rarity in Swindon that drivers won't know what to do if they meet one.
“But as the issue is being managed and overseen by highways experts....". That's the root of the problem. They tend to be full of theory and detached from the reality of what happens on the ground. Painting it with black and white stripes and putting up some orange flashing lights might get motorists to realise that it's a pedestrian crossing. However, proper pedestrian crossings are such a rarity in Swindon that drivers won't know what to do if they meet one. John~R
  • Score: 15

7:33am Sat 28 Jun 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Why so difficult for councillors to arrange a meeting with........... the council ????
Swindon Borough Clownskool strikes again..... Score -87👎
Why so difficult for councillors to arrange a meeting with........... the council ???? Swindon Borough Clownskool strikes again..... Score -87👎 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -4

7:45am Sat 28 Jun 14

M4 Bypass says...

I just love it bikes get stuck in cobbles, pedestrians and motorist not clear if it is a road or pavement until they have gone past it. After that as a motorist you have merging traffic with no signage or lane markings etc. further down drivers ignore the ahead only lane and turn right into cars driving in the correct lane . simple re planning /re painting two lanes to go right, one lane to go ahead past Kingsbridge Point up Princes street
I just love it bikes get stuck in cobbles, pedestrians and motorist not clear if it is a road or pavement until they have gone past it. After that as a motorist you have merging traffic with no signage or lane markings etc. further down drivers ignore the ahead only lane and turn right into cars driving in the correct lane . simple re planning /re painting two lanes to go right, one lane to go ahead past Kingsbridge Point up Princes street M4 Bypass
  • Score: 8

8:18am Sat 28 Jun 14

residentsparkingprotest says...

Swindon council. WAKE UP.

THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority.

These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in.

I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.
Swindon council. WAKE UP. THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority. These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in. I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going. residentsparkingprotest
  • Score: 22

8:26am Sat 28 Jun 14

South Stand says...

Chriswuzere wrote:
If they were to paint black & white lines on the floor then I will stop for pedestrians otherwise if they step out they better hope my brakes work .
Since when as a bit of fancy brick work mean give way to pedestrians, the planners need to read up on the Highway Code & not make up there own rules & expect motorists to know what it means!
I do think that it could be you that needs to read up on 'The Highway Code'. Shared space has been in there since 2011.
Read it and maybe you'll become a little less selfish.
[quote][p][bold]Chriswuzere[/bold] wrote: If they were to paint black & white lines on the floor then I will stop for pedestrians otherwise if they step out they better hope my brakes work . Since when as a bit of fancy brick work mean give way to pedestrians, the planners need to read up on the Highway Code & not make up there own rules & expect motorists to know what it means![/p][/quote]I do think that it could be you that needs to read up on 'The Highway Code'. Shared space has been in there since 2011. Read it and maybe you'll become a little less selfish. South Stand
  • Score: -9

8:31am Sat 28 Jun 14

South Stand says...

residentsparkingprot
est
wrote:
Swindon council. WAKE UP.

THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority.

These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in.

I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.
Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road.
It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings.
See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.
[quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: Swindon council. WAKE UP. THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority. These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in. I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.[/p][/quote]Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road. It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings. See, it's not too difficult to understand is it. South Stand
  • Score: -18

8:45am Sat 28 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

The sbc clowns discussing the circus. Oh the irony of it.
The sbc clowns discussing the circus. Oh the irony of it. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 1

8:49am Sat 28 Jun 14

residentsparkingprotest says...

South Stand wrote:
residentsparkingprot

est
wrote:
Swindon council. WAKE UP.

THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority.

These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in.

I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.
Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road.
It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings.
See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.
I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'.
I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.)

Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: Swindon council. WAKE UP. THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority. These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in. I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.[/p][/quote]Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road. It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings. See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.[/p][/quote]I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'. I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.) Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be. residentsparkingprotest
  • Score: 24

8:53am Sat 28 Jun 14

residentsparkingprotest says...

I should point out at this juncture that ZEBRA CROSSINGS with good all round visibility would have been a far better idea. Give the pedestrians right of way that is recognised by even the most stupid motorist, rather than all this 'pretty' bull5hit that SBC are becoming more fond of.
I should point out at this juncture that ZEBRA CROSSINGS with good all round visibility would have been a far better idea. Give the pedestrians right of way that is recognised by even the most stupid motorist, rather than all this 'pretty' bull5hit that SBC are becoming more fond of. residentsparkingprotest
  • Score: 19

8:53am Sat 28 Jun 14

South Stand says...

residentsparkingprot
est
wrote:
South Stand wrote:
residentsparkingprot


est
wrote:
Swindon council. WAKE UP.

THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority.

These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in.

I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.
Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road.
It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings.
See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.
I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'.
I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.)

Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.
You are obviously a much much better driver than the rest of us. Maybe it's this sort of arrogance that kills people.
[quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: Swindon council. WAKE UP. THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority. These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in. I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.[/p][/quote]Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road. It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings. See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.[/p][/quote]I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'. I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.) Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.[/p][/quote]You are obviously a much much better driver than the rest of us. Maybe it's this sort of arrogance that kills people. South Stand
  • Score: -15

9:12am Sat 28 Jun 14

nobody says...

It blindingly obvious it is a poor design, shame it's taken so long for the council to do something, although just a meeting.
It blindingly obvious it is a poor design, shame it's taken so long for the council to do something, although just a meeting. nobody
  • Score: 10

9:27am Sat 28 Jun 14

GroundhogDay says...

I've crossed the junction by foot and some drivers are oblivious to waiting pedestrians but others do get it and stop to wave you across. I think the concept of shared space is fine but I don't think this has been well implemented.

Motor vehicles need to be slowed earlier. The 20mph zone is too small so drivers are braking (sometimes not) at the same time as having to negotiate the shared space and work out what to do. Slow them to 20mph earlier and it would work better.

I hope they keep it but make the necessary changes to implement a shared space correctly. This is a half arsed attempt.
I've crossed the junction by foot and some drivers are oblivious to waiting pedestrians but others do get it and stop to wave you across. I think the concept of shared space is fine but I don't think this has been well implemented. Motor vehicles need to be slowed earlier. The 20mph zone is too small so drivers are braking (sometimes not) at the same time as having to negotiate the shared space and work out what to do. Slow them to 20mph earlier and it would work better. I hope they keep it but make the necessary changes to implement a shared space correctly. This is a half arsed attempt. GroundhogDay
  • Score: 9

9:39am Sat 28 Jun 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Get rid of it. Use original, time proven crossing systems.
SBC stop trying to be "inventive".
We are considering peoples life here.
Get rid of it. Use original, time proven crossing systems. SBC stop trying to be "inventive". We are considering peoples life here. Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -2

10:01am Sat 28 Jun 14

residentsparkingprotest says...

South Stand wrote:
residentsparkingprot

est
wrote:
South Stand wrote:
residentsparkingprot



est
wrote:
Swindon council. WAKE UP.

THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority.

These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in.

I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.
Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road.
It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings.
See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.
I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'.
I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.)

Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.
You are obviously a much much better driver than the rest of us. Maybe it's this sort of arrogance that kills people.
No, I KNOW I'm a better driver than everyone. Having passed 7 seperate driving tests, plus being in continuous review/training would tend to suggest so.

But then, I drive around with 40,000 litres of petrol behind me. If I can't compensate for the moronicisms of normal drivers, people get killed.
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: Swindon council. WAKE UP. THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority. These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in. I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.[/p][/quote]Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road. It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings. See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.[/p][/quote]I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'. I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.) Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.[/p][/quote]You are obviously a much much better driver than the rest of us. Maybe it's this sort of arrogance that kills people.[/p][/quote]No, I KNOW I'm a better driver than everyone. Having passed 7 seperate driving tests, plus being in continuous review/training would tend to suggest so. But then, I drive around with 40,000 litres of petrol behind me. If I can't compensate for the moronicisms of normal drivers, people get killed. residentsparkingprotest
  • Score: 12

10:34am Sat 28 Jun 14

Chriswuzere says...

I passed my driving test 30 years ago & you had to give way to pedestrians at pelican/zebra crossings but was never anything menchioned about raised tables & pedestrians having shared access. A child was killed in Moredon because of a raised pedestrian table that no one really knows who to give way to. It's an accident waiting to happen, I'm glad that I'll be in my car because that can be mended, wouldn't want to be the person who gets hit by a vehicle which has to second guess what people are going to do at that junction.
I passed my driving test 30 years ago & you had to give way to pedestrians at pelican/zebra crossings but was never anything menchioned about raised tables & pedestrians having shared access. A child was killed in Moredon because of a raised pedestrian table that no one really knows who to give way to. It's an accident waiting to happen, I'm glad that I'll be in my car because that can be mended, wouldn't want to be the person who gets hit by a vehicle which has to second guess what people are going to do at that junction. Chriswuzere
  • Score: 9

10:43am Sat 28 Jun 14

mug? says...

residentsparkingprot
est
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Swindon council. WAKE UP.

THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority.

These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in.

I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.
A pedestrian waiting to cross on the pavement doesn't have right of way over traffic traveling on the road. Obviously, a pedestrian already in the road does have right of way. If a pedestrian steps out in front of a car where the driver is watching the traffic coming from another direction, bad things are going to happen. This is bad enough for able bodied adults, let alone children and the disabled.

I would like to know if the councillors and planners would let their children cross this road or is it that they don't have to because they don't shop in Swindon?

Everybody knows how zebra crossings work. Cars stop if there is a pedestrian waiting to cross.

If car's are stopped, pedestrian's cross.

Of course, they aren't very friendly to the blind.

I severely doubt I'll be stopping for pedestrians waiting to cross on this table, should I be brave enough to use it again. Unless they put in appropriate signage / markings. I really don't see what wrong with proper pedestrian crossings. Is it just to try and make things more aesthetically pleasing? It certainly won't look pleasing when there is a child splattered all over the road.
[quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: Swindon council. WAKE UP. THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority. These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in. I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.[/p][/quote]A pedestrian waiting to cross on the pavement doesn't have right of way over traffic traveling on the road. Obviously, a pedestrian already in the road does have right of way. If a pedestrian steps out in front of a car where the driver is watching the traffic coming from another direction, bad things are going to happen. This is bad enough for able bodied adults, let alone children and the disabled. I would like to know if the councillors and planners would let their children cross this road or is it that they don't have to because they don't shop in Swindon? Everybody knows how zebra crossings work. Cars stop if there is a pedestrian waiting to cross. If car's are stopped, pedestrian's cross. Of course, they aren't very friendly to the blind. I severely doubt I'll be stopping for pedestrians waiting to cross on this table, should I be brave enough to use it again. Unless they put in appropriate signage / markings. I really don't see what wrong with proper pedestrian crossings. Is it just to try and make things more aesthetically pleasing? It certainly won't look pleasing when there is a child splattered all over the road. mug?
  • Score: 11

11:36am Sat 28 Jun 14

South Stand says...

residentsparkingprot
est
wrote:
South Stand wrote:
residentsparkingprot


est
wrote:
South Stand wrote:
residentsparkingprot




est
wrote:
Swindon council. WAKE UP.

THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority.

These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in.

I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.
Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road.
It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings.
See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.
I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'.
I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.)

Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.
You are obviously a much much better driver than the rest of us. Maybe it's this sort of arrogance that kills people.
No, I KNOW I'm a better driver than everyone. Having passed 7 seperate driving tests, plus being in continuous review/training would tend to suggest so.

But then, I drive around with 40,000 litres of petrol behind me. If I can't compensate for the moronicisms of normal drivers, people get killed.
As I said earlier. Arrogant drivers can be the worst drivers.
[quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: Swindon council. WAKE UP. THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority. These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in. I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.[/p][/quote]Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road. It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings. See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.[/p][/quote]I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'. I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.) Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.[/p][/quote]You are obviously a much much better driver than the rest of us. Maybe it's this sort of arrogance that kills people.[/p][/quote]No, I KNOW I'm a better driver than everyone. Having passed 7 seperate driving tests, plus being in continuous review/training would tend to suggest so. But then, I drive around with 40,000 litres of petrol behind me. If I can't compensate for the moronicisms of normal drivers, people get killed.[/p][/quote]As I said earlier. Arrogant drivers can be the worst drivers. South Stand
  • Score: -10

11:40am Sat 28 Jun 14

South Stand says...

Chriswuzere wrote:
I passed my driving test 30 years ago & you had to give way to pedestrians at pelican/zebra crossings but was never anything menchioned about raised tables & pedestrians having shared access. A child was killed in Moredon because of a raised pedestrian table that no one really knows who to give way to. It's an accident waiting to happen, I'm glad that I'll be in my car because that can be mended, wouldn't want to be the person who gets hit by a vehicle which has to second guess what people are going to do at that junction.
As I said earlier, you need to read The Highway Code.
[quote][p][bold]Chriswuzere[/bold] wrote: I passed my driving test 30 years ago & you had to give way to pedestrians at pelican/zebra crossings but was never anything menchioned about raised tables & pedestrians having shared access. A child was killed in Moredon because of a raised pedestrian table that no one really knows who to give way to. It's an accident waiting to happen, I'm glad that I'll be in my car because that can be mended, wouldn't want to be the person who gets hit by a vehicle which has to second guess what people are going to do at that junction.[/p][/quote]As I said earlier, you need to read The Highway Code. South Stand
  • Score: -13

11:43am Sat 28 Jun 14

South Stand says...

mug? wrote:
residentsparkingprot

est
wrote:
Swindon council. WAKE UP.

THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority.

These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in.

I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.
A pedestrian waiting to cross on the pavement doesn't have right of way over traffic traveling on the road. Obviously, a pedestrian already in the road does have right of way. If a pedestrian steps out in front of a car where the driver is watching the traffic coming from another direction, bad things are going to happen. This is bad enough for able bodied adults, let alone children and the disabled.

I would like to know if the councillors and planners would let their children cross this road or is it that they don't have to because they don't shop in Swindon?

Everybody knows how zebra crossings work. Cars stop if there is a pedestrian waiting to cross.

If car's are stopped, pedestrian's cross.

Of course, they aren't very friendly to the blind.

I severely doubt I'll be stopping for pedestrians waiting to cross on this table, should I be brave enough to use it again. Unless they put in appropriate signage / markings. I really don't see what wrong with proper pedestrian crossings. Is it just to try and make things more aesthetically pleasing? It certainly won't look pleasing when there is a child splattered all over the road.
Educate yourself and then maybe you will understand the meanings of such words like patience and consideration.
[quote][p][bold]mug?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: Swindon council. WAKE UP. THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority. These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in. I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.[/p][/quote]A pedestrian waiting to cross on the pavement doesn't have right of way over traffic traveling on the road. Obviously, a pedestrian already in the road does have right of way. If a pedestrian steps out in front of a car where the driver is watching the traffic coming from another direction, bad things are going to happen. This is bad enough for able bodied adults, let alone children and the disabled. I would like to know if the councillors and planners would let their children cross this road or is it that they don't have to because they don't shop in Swindon? Everybody knows how zebra crossings work. Cars stop if there is a pedestrian waiting to cross. If car's are stopped, pedestrian's cross. Of course, they aren't very friendly to the blind. I severely doubt I'll be stopping for pedestrians waiting to cross on this table, should I be brave enough to use it again. Unless they put in appropriate signage / markings. I really don't see what wrong with proper pedestrian crossings. Is it just to try and make things more aesthetically pleasing? It certainly won't look pleasing when there is a child splattered all over the road.[/p][/quote]Educate yourself and then maybe you will understand the meanings of such words like patience and consideration. South Stand
  • Score: -12

1:41pm Sat 28 Jun 14

OldTown90 says...

CouncilsSpokesperson
; “But as the issue is being managed and overseen by highways experts and as there are no immediate planning issues involved, the planners do not need to be there.”

But as planning officers approved the scheme and recommended it for approval at planning committee then the responsible planning officers and arguably the planning committee of the time should also attend and make known their reasons and justification of what many are now referring to as a potential death trap.

Another question did this new set up come into being before or after the local elections??
CouncilsSpokesperson ; “But as the issue is being managed and overseen by highways experts and as there are no immediate planning issues involved, the planners do not need to be there.” But as planning officers approved the scheme and recommended it for approval at planning committee then the responsible planning officers and arguably the planning committee of the time should also attend and make known their reasons and justification of what many are now referring to as a potential death trap. Another question did this new set up come into being before or after the local elections?? OldTown90
  • Score: -1

11:20pm Sun 29 Jun 14

greenpacer says...

I would think shared space on a road between pedestrians and vehicles is a road that is pedestrianised it's full length like a high street and NOT used as a crossing. The pelican crossings need to be brought back especially for the elderly , disabled and blind as no matter what speed the traffic is slowed down to Accidents will always happen somehow. At least the pelican crossing will make them a rarity!!
I would think shared space on a road between pedestrians and vehicles is a road that is pedestrianised it's full length like a high street and NOT used as a crossing. The pelican crossings need to be brought back especially for the elderly , disabled and blind as no matter what speed the traffic is slowed down to Accidents will always happen somehow. At least the pelican crossing will make them a rarity!! greenpacer
  • Score: 2

8:41am Mon 30 Jun 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

The whole area from commercial road to Regent Circus should be Pedestrians only, the passing traffic is of no benefit to the retailers, close the roads before someone's child is run over by a saturday night F1 driver.
The whole area from commercial road to Regent Circus should be Pedestrians only, the passing traffic is of no benefit to the retailers, close the roads before someone's child is run over by a saturday night F1 driver. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 4

9:18am Mon 30 Jun 14

BCDR99 says...

The negative thumbs on here highlight one thing to me.

You can accuse people of all sorts of things and they will brush it off. Water off a duck's back as they say. But suggest that they are not a 100% perfect driver and off they go as if you'd accused them of the worst crimes in the world.

Schemes with LESS road furniture CAN work, if they are done properly. The reasoning being that people think for themselves rather than blindly follow the lights/lines/signs or the vehicle in front.
The negative thumbs on here highlight one thing to me. You can accuse people of all sorts of things and they will brush it off. Water off a duck's back as they say. But suggest that they are not a 100% perfect driver and off they go as if you'd accused them of the worst crimes in the world. Schemes with LESS road furniture CAN work, if they are done properly. The reasoning being that people think for themselves rather than blindly follow the lights/lines/signs or the vehicle in front. BCDR99
  • Score: 2

10:12am Mon 30 Jun 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

residentsparkingprot
est
wrote:
South Stand wrote:
residentsparkingprot


est
wrote:
South Stand wrote:
residentsparkingprot




est
wrote:
Swindon council. WAKE UP.

THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority.

These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in.

I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.
Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road.
It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings.
See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.
I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'.
I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.)

Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.
You are obviously a much much better driver than the rest of us. Maybe it's this sort of arrogance that kills people.
No, I KNOW I'm a better driver than everyone. Having passed 7 seperate driving tests, plus being in continuous review/training would tend to suggest so.

But then, I drive around with 40,000 litres of petrol behind me. If I can't compensate for the moronicisms of normal drivers, people get killed.
How very patronising and arrogant. With that attitude you are almost certainly NOT a better driver than anyone else.

Maybe you're like the tanker driver I saw on the M4 last week that was veering between lane 1 and the hard shoulder and nearly drove into the back of a slow moving car at the Junction 15 exit because he was too busy talking on his mobile phone. He was lucky there was nothing in the middle lane so he could swerve out of the path of destruction. Make no mistake, moronic driving is just as likely by HGV and tanker drivers.
[quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: Swindon council. WAKE UP. THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority. These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in. I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.[/p][/quote]Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road. It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings. See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.[/p][/quote]I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'. I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.) Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.[/p][/quote]You are obviously a much much better driver than the rest of us. Maybe it's this sort of arrogance that kills people.[/p][/quote]No, I KNOW I'm a better driver than everyone. Having passed 7 seperate driving tests, plus being in continuous review/training would tend to suggest so. But then, I drive around with 40,000 litres of petrol behind me. If I can't compensate for the moronicisms of normal drivers, people get killed.[/p][/quote]How very patronising and arrogant. With that attitude you are almost certainly NOT a better driver than anyone else. Maybe you're like the tanker driver I saw on the M4 last week that was veering between lane 1 and the hard shoulder and nearly drove into the back of a slow moving car at the Junction 15 exit because he was too busy talking on his mobile phone. He was lucky there was nothing in the middle lane so he could swerve out of the path of destruction. Make no mistake, moronic driving is just as likely by HGV and tanker drivers. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 1

10:17am Mon 30 Jun 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

As for the road junction at Regent Circus. Yes it's not particularly clear. As a driver I responded to that by slowing down and observing all around me. It's not particularly hard to do...
As for the road junction at Regent Circus. Yes it's not particularly clear. As a driver I responded to that by slowing down and observing all around me. It's not particularly hard to do... The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: 3

10:51am Mon 30 Jun 14

Davey Gravey says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
residentsparkingprot

est
wrote:
South Stand wrote:
residentsparkingprot



est
wrote:
South Stand wrote:
residentsparkingprot





est
wrote:
Swindon council. WAKE UP.

THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority.

These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in.

I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.
Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road.
It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings.
See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.
I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'.
I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.)

Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.
You are obviously a much much better driver than the rest of us. Maybe it's this sort of arrogance that kills people.
No, I KNOW I'm a better driver than everyone. Having passed 7 seperate driving tests, plus being in continuous review/training would tend to suggest so.

But then, I drive around with 40,000 litres of petrol behind me. If I can't compensate for the moronicisms of normal drivers, people get killed.
How very patronising and arrogant. With that attitude you are almost certainly NOT a better driver than anyone else.

Maybe you're like the tanker driver I saw on the M4 last week that was veering between lane 1 and the hard shoulder and nearly drove into the back of a slow moving car at the Junction 15 exit because he was too busy talking on his mobile phone. He was lucky there was nothing in the middle lane so he could swerve out of the path of destruction. Make no mistake, moronic driving is just as likely by HGV and tanker drivers.
No it isn't.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]residentsparkingprot est[/bold] wrote: Swindon council. WAKE UP. THis is NOT a type of road scheme recognised by the highway code, in the same way your 'speed tables' aren't recognised by the highway code. As such, there is no correct way to drive on them. There's no 'give way' lines anywhere and nobody recognisably has priority. These crazy schemes are going to end in somebody losing their life because of the sheer confusion you're putting the motorist in. I should point out to all at this juncture that PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY anywhere. However, it's empty words when everyone is spending more time trying to work out whaqt the pedestrians and other drivers are actually doing than they are looking where they're going.[/p][/quote]Shared space means exactly that. It is shared, so maybe motorists will finally consider other people who have to use the road. It means that motorists will have to drive more slowly and be more aware of their surroundings. See, it's not too difficult to understand is it.[/p][/quote]I don't find the concept difficult at all. However, as a lorry driver and motorcycle rider my observation is far superior to that of 99% of 'joe motoring public'. I still find it difficult though, as there's so much concentration involved in working out what the confused majority are going to do, that the addition of one idiot/boy racer/OAP with substandard eyesight could easily be enough to tip the scales.Speaking as someone who's had a mother usher her 2 children UNDERNEATH the trailer of an artic to get to the other side quicker, all bets are off when entering a poorly constructed scheme such as this. (And the only reason her and her kids are still alive is because I was watching in the left mirror while stationary in traffic. Let me know the last time you checked your mirrors properly while waiting to move off, won't you? Or even better, tell me how you're supposed to do it without using Google.) Shared schemes such as this are inherently dangerous anyway, as it means the general public are given the impression it's perfectly acceptable to wander around in traffic. We NEED solid dividing lines between where road traffic should be and where pedestrians should be.[/p][/quote]You are obviously a much much better driver than the rest of us. Maybe it's this sort of arrogance that kills people.[/p][/quote]No, I KNOW I'm a better driver than everyone. Having passed 7 seperate driving tests, plus being in continuous review/training would tend to suggest so. But then, I drive around with 40,000 litres of petrol behind me. If I can't compensate for the moronicisms of normal drivers, people get killed.[/p][/quote]How very patronising and arrogant. With that attitude you are almost certainly NOT a better driver than anyone else. Maybe you're like the tanker driver I saw on the M4 last week that was veering between lane 1 and the hard shoulder and nearly drove into the back of a slow moving car at the Junction 15 exit because he was too busy talking on his mobile phone. He was lucky there was nothing in the middle lane so he could swerve out of the path of destruction. Make no mistake, moronic driving is just as likely by HGV and tanker drivers.[/p][/quote]No it isn't. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -3

12:38pm Mon 30 Jun 14

IfItsONtheNet says...

??? Swindon council failed to think through a project before putting it in place...surely not?
The development was started with little or no thought to residents or risk assessment carried out.
I am sure copies of health and safety as well as all risk assessment paperwork will be available from SBC?
They have now invented a road marking system when pedestrian crossings worked well enough (even if the commercial rd side had no audio).
How does anyone qualify to work with / for these incompetent fools?
??? Swindon council failed to think through a project before putting it in place...surely not? The development was started with little or no thought to residents or risk assessment carried out. I am sure copies of health and safety as well as all risk assessment paperwork will be available from SBC? They have now invented a road marking system when pedestrian crossings worked well enough (even if the commercial rd side had no audio). How does anyone qualify to work with / for these incompetent fools? IfItsONtheNet
  • Score: -2

6:15pm Mon 30 Jun 14

GrumpyLocal says...

I find amazing that a scheme like this is even considered as viable for a major road junction like this. I've driven through shared space areas before and they do work in the right places, where they are clearly marked and normally have low traffic volume.
Expecting drivers to navigate a speed hump, merging traffic, lane negotiation and work out what pedestrians are going to do is ridiculous.
Give drivers a chance to not run people over and take one responsibility off them by making the pedestrian responsible for their own safety once again. Traffic light work & have done for many years.
When I'm pedestrian I anticipate drivers to make errors and miss the odd red light because they are watching so much on the roads nowadays. I'm also fully aware as a driver that pedestrians can & do just walk in to the road at times for no reason but at least that is a rarity at the moment as opposed to the normal in the new shared space area.
I find amazing that a scheme like this is even considered as viable for a major road junction like this. I've driven through shared space areas before and they do work in the right places, where they are clearly marked and normally have low traffic volume. Expecting drivers to navigate a speed hump, merging traffic, lane negotiation and work out what pedestrians are going to do is ridiculous. Give drivers a chance to not run people over and take one responsibility off them by making the pedestrian responsible for their own safety once again. Traffic light work & have done for many years. When I'm pedestrian I anticipate drivers to make errors and miss the odd red light because they are watching so much on the roads nowadays. I'm also fully aware as a driver that pedestrians can & do just walk in to the road at times for no reason but at least that is a rarity at the moment as opposed to the normal in the new shared space area. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: -1

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