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Why can't we be safe here?

Swindon Advertiser: Tom Rogers, who was killed on a pathway close to the Oasis Leisure Centre on Thursday night Tom Rogers, who was killed on a pathway close to the Oasis Leisure Centre on Thursday night

USERS of a cycle path where a 60-year-old man was murdered on Thursday are calling for CCTV to be installed.

They say the path close to the Oasis Leisure Centre has been the scene of a number of violent incidents and is dubbed ‘Muggers Alley’.

Aulton ‘Tom’ Rogers was stabbed to death as he cycled along the path on Thursday night.

Tom Wright, 52, of Cheney Manor, uses the path regularly and has complained about security measures twice in the past two years.

Last October he was involved in an altercation while walking his dog when a man threatened him with a knife, and Tom believes better CCTV and increased patrols would help make the isolated area feel safer for users.

“I walk that path twice a week with my dog and on weekends I will cycle it if I go to the pub or I go into town,” he said.

“I have also been cycling through there at that sort of time of night, but thankfully I wasn’t last Thursday.

“Obviously the CCTV cameras they have got right on the underpass have been shown to be very poor quality. A few months ago a woman was assaulted down there and the picture the police got from that probably sums it up. They desperately need good CCTV coverage on the skate park.

“This time of year it does not get dark until about 10pm, so the worrying thing about this is that it was probably still a little light when it happened.

“It is also quite astounding that he was there for two hours and no-one saw him passing through until midnight.

“One time last year I was walking back home after the pub at about 10pm and there was a group hanging around between the Oasis and the underpass. One of them had one of those pitbull type terriers with him, and was shouting at me to put my dog Bosley, who is a black labrador, back on his leash.

“As I got closer the guy let his dog off his leash deliberately and they squared up a bit. We pulled our dogs off each other and there were a few words exchanged, at which point he said he had a knife.

“I just made my exit at that point, and called the police when I got clear. People have got lots of stories about that area I should think –it can’t just be me.”

Tom said a night-time curfew on the underpass, similar to the set opening hours of the underpass running from Station Road to the Outlet Centre, would be impracticable.

“Certain types of people get attracted to that area because it is a bit secluded,” he said. “I think it’s a case of out of sight out of mind, but after what happened on Thursday something has to be done.

“I have complained about that route twice but nothing has happened. We don’t know the circumstances of this case with Mr Rogers, but hopefully it will bring about some change in the area.

“The Outlet underpass shuts at night for that very reason, but this path is a major route through the town so you couldn’t shut it down. If you did it would make that area even more isolated.

“For the people who skate there and use the facilities it’s a pretty great place, but it just needs more coverage so that people in general feel safer.

“I will carry on using it. I’m not naive and I am concerned. It is just a very worrying aspect that there is someone out there who would do something like this.”

 

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8:29am Tue 1 Jul 14

steffjb says...

What is this world coming too when you can't even make your way home from work with out a devastating outcome. What makes it sicker and more devastating is it happened to a totally inocent 60year old man. My thoughts go out to his family and friends. R.I.P Tom
What is this world coming too when you can't even make your way home from work with out a devastating outcome. What makes it sicker and more devastating is it happened to a totally inocent 60year old man. My thoughts go out to his family and friends. R.I.P Tom steffjb
  • Score: 21

8:42am Tue 1 Jul 14

nobody says...

It's disturbing to know that the alleged perpetrator may have violently attacked someone there in May, if only they had caught them after the first attack.
It's disturbing to know that the alleged perpetrator may have violently attacked someone there in May, if only they had caught them after the first attack. nobody
  • Score: 23

8:45am Tue 1 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

Such a terrible incident. I hope the police have got the right person who committed this awful crime and they will be off our streets. My condolences to all concerned.
Such a terrible incident. I hope the police have got the right person who committed this awful crime and they will be off our streets. My condolences to all concerned. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 3

8:59am Tue 1 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

nobody wrote:
It's disturbing to know that the alleged perpetrator may have violently attacked someone there in May, if only they had caught them after the first attack.
That would have be viewed as a minor crime. It's almost certain that whoever committed the murder will also have a previous criminal record.

Until we, as a society, insist that those we pay to deal with criminals actually deal with them properly, we will always see tragic incidents of this nature continue.

All thoughts are with the family and loved ones of those known to the victim. A victim who has, once again, been let down by the very system supposedly there to protect us.
[quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: It's disturbing to know that the alleged perpetrator may have violently attacked someone there in May, if only they had caught them after the first attack.[/p][/quote]That would have be viewed as a minor crime. It's almost certain that whoever committed the murder will also have a previous criminal record. Until we, as a society, insist that those we pay to deal with criminals actually deal with them properly, we will always see tragic incidents of this nature continue. All thoughts are with the family and loved ones of those known to the victim. A victim who has, once again, been let down by the very system supposedly there to protect us. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 17

10:00am Tue 1 Jul 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

I suspect there are some statistics somewhere that express that Swindon IS a safe place to live.
Much the same as statistics that Thamesdown Drive is perfectly ok.
I suspect there are some statistics somewhere that express that Swindon IS a safe place to live. Much the same as statistics that Thamesdown Drive is perfectly ok. Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 1

12:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

steffjb wrote:
What is this world coming too when you can't even make your way home from work with out a devastating outcome. What makes it sicker and more devastating is it happened to a totally inocent 60year old man. My thoughts go out to his family and friends. R.I.P Tom
I am sure everyone would agree with your sentiments. What is even more scary is that statistically Swindon is a safe place to live compared to many in the UK and yet these incidents still happen far too often. We can only hope that the justice system treats the murderer with the contempt they deserve but if it is a 28 year old you can bet he would be out before he was 50!
[quote][p][bold]steffjb[/bold] wrote: What is this world coming too when you can't even make your way home from work with out a devastating outcome. What makes it sicker and more devastating is it happened to a totally inocent 60year old man. My thoughts go out to his family and friends. R.I.P Tom[/p][/quote]I am sure everyone would agree with your sentiments. What is even more scary is that statistically Swindon is a safe place to live compared to many in the UK and yet these incidents still happen far too often. We can only hope that the justice system treats the murderer with the contempt they deserve but if it is a 28 year old you can bet he would be out before he was 50! house on the hill
  • Score: 5

12:59pm Tue 1 Jul 14

The Real Librarian says...

nobody wrote:
It's disturbing to know that the alleged perpetrator may have violently attacked someone there in May, if only they had caught them after the first attack.
Apparently the Police spend more than half their time on Facebook etc these days.
[quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote: It's disturbing to know that the alleged perpetrator may have violently attacked someone there in May, if only they had caught them after the first attack.[/p][/quote]Apparently the Police spend more than half their time on Facebook etc these days. The Real Librarian
  • Score: 2

1:26pm Tue 1 Jul 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.
Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 6

1:35pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.
The best way to ensure crime is prevented is to put repeat, violent and serious offenders behind lock and key, where they are physically incapable of committing further crime against the general public.
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.[/p][/quote]The best way to ensure crime is prevented is to put repeat, violent and serious offenders behind lock and key, where they are physically incapable of committing further crime against the general public. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 10

1:44pm Tue 1 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.
The best way to ensure crime is prevented is to put repeat, violent and serious offenders behind lock and key, where they are physically incapable of committing further crime against the general public.
Totally agree but good luck with that!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.[/p][/quote]The best way to ensure crime is prevented is to put repeat, violent and serious offenders behind lock and key, where they are physically incapable of committing further crime against the general public.[/p][/quote]Totally agree but good luck with that!!!!! house on the hill
  • Score: 5

1:55pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do.
Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.
No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do. Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do.
Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.
This is very true. However, there is plenty that can be done to ensure such people do not commit even more crimes. For some reason, it's not done.

Nobody expects to be able to prevent random appalling crimes, but most people do very much expect those who have form for it to be prevented from doing such things again, as they inevitably do in most cases.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do. Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.[/p][/quote]This is very true. However, there is plenty that can be done to ensure such people do not commit even more crimes. For some reason, it's not done. Nobody expects to be able to prevent random appalling crimes, but most people do very much expect those who have form for it to be prevented from doing such things again, as they inevitably do in most cases. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 4

2:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Chrisg46 says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.
The best way to ensure crime is prevented is to put repeat, violent and serious offenders behind lock and key, where they are physically incapable of committing further crime against the general public.
But in order for that to work, those offenders will have had to do it to someone...
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.[/p][/quote]The best way to ensure crime is prevented is to put repeat, violent and serious offenders behind lock and key, where they are physically incapable of committing further crime against the general public.[/p][/quote]But in order for that to work, those offenders will have had to do it to someone... Chrisg46
  • Score: -1

2:34pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do.
Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.
This is very true. However, there is plenty that can be done to ensure such people do not commit even more crimes. For some reason, it's not done.

Nobody expects to be able to prevent random appalling crimes, but most people do very much expect those who have form for it to be prevented from doing such things again, as they inevitably do in most cases.
Kindly do not address me as I know exactly who you are and what you have been doing to my comments.
I have no desire to have any discussion with you.
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do. Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.[/p][/quote]This is very true. However, there is plenty that can be done to ensure such people do not commit even more crimes. For some reason, it's not done. Nobody expects to be able to prevent random appalling crimes, but most people do very much expect those who have form for it to be prevented from doing such things again, as they inevitably do in most cases.[/p][/quote]Kindly do not address me as I know exactly who you are and what you have been doing to my comments. I have no desire to have any discussion with you. Davey Gravey
  • Score: -6

2:58pm Tue 1 Jul 14

swindondad says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do.
Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.
This is very true. However, there is plenty that can be done to ensure such people do not commit even more crimes. For some reason, it's not done.

Nobody expects to be able to prevent random appalling crimes, but most people do very much expect those who have form for it to be prevented from doing such things again, as they inevitably do in most cases.
IMHO Sandor has hit the nail on the head.

The pitiful sentences and (relatively) easy prison conditions in this country are neither a deterrent or a serve enough punishment for hardened criminals.

If a political party were to promise to bring back sentences "with hard labor" let alone corporal / capital punishment they would get my (and many other I suspect) vote.
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do. Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.[/p][/quote]This is very true. However, there is plenty that can be done to ensure such people do not commit even more crimes. For some reason, it's not done. Nobody expects to be able to prevent random appalling crimes, but most people do very much expect those who have form for it to be prevented from doing such things again, as they inevitably do in most cases.[/p][/quote]IMHO Sandor has hit the nail on the head. The pitiful sentences and (relatively) easy prison conditions in this country are neither a deterrent or a serve enough punishment for hardened criminals. If a political party were to promise to bring back sentences "with hard labor" let alone corporal / capital punishment they would get my (and many other I suspect) vote. swindondad
  • Score: 4

3:02pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Hmmmf says...

I wonder what redress the poor victim's family will have in law if it turns out that the murderer had been given 'one last chance' (or more) in Swindon's courts? Probably none at all, I shouldn't wonder.
I wonder what redress the poor victim's family will have in law if it turns out that the murderer had been given 'one last chance' (or more) in Swindon's courts? Probably none at all, I shouldn't wonder. Hmmmf
  • Score: 2

3:11pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Sandor Clegane wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do.
Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.
This is very true. However, there is plenty that can be done to ensure such people do not commit even more crimes. For some reason, it's not done.

Nobody expects to be able to prevent random appalling crimes, but most people do very much expect those who have form for it to be prevented from doing such things again, as they inevitably do in most cases.
Kindly do not address me as I know exactly who you are and what you have been doing to my comments.
I have no desire to have any discussion with you.
Seconded.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do. Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.[/p][/quote]This is very true. However, there is plenty that can be done to ensure such people do not commit even more crimes. For some reason, it's not done. Nobody expects to be able to prevent random appalling crimes, but most people do very much expect those who have form for it to be prevented from doing such things again, as they inevitably do in most cases.[/p][/quote]Kindly do not address me as I know exactly who you are and what you have been doing to my comments. I have no desire to have any discussion with you.[/p][/quote]Seconded. Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: -4

3:20pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Wildwestener says...

RIP Tom; condolences to his family. My thoughts and prayers are with them all.
RIP Tom; condolences to his family. My thoughts and prayers are with them all. Wildwestener
  • Score: 2

3:38pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

Chrisg46 wrote:
Sandor Clegane wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.
The best way to ensure crime is prevented is to put repeat, violent and serious offenders behind lock and key, where they are physically incapable of committing further crime against the general public.
But in order for that to work, those offenders will have had to do it to someone...
This is also true. Our system does work on the basis that you can only jail those convicted of a crime. As has been pointed out above, it's impossible to stop everyone who wants to commit a crime from committing one.

It's what happens once they've identified themselves and shown what they're capable of that society needs to take far better steps to ensure they don't simply do it again and again.

It comes down to a simple question: if you were attacked, would you feel more angry if you learned you were the 10th person the criminal had attacked and he'd done it while on early release from prison?
[quote][p][bold]Chrisg46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.[/p][/quote]The best way to ensure crime is prevented is to put repeat, violent and serious offenders behind lock and key, where they are physically incapable of committing further crime against the general public.[/p][/quote]But in order for that to work, those offenders will have had to do it to someone...[/p][/quote]This is also true. Our system does work on the basis that you can only jail those convicted of a crime. As has been pointed out above, it's impossible to stop everyone who wants to commit a crime from committing one. It's what happens once they've identified themselves and shown what they're capable of that society needs to take far better steps to ensure they don't simply do it again and again. It comes down to a simple question: if you were attacked, would you feel more angry if you learned you were the 10th person the criminal had attacked and he'd done it while on early release from prison? Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 3

4:50pm Tue 1 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
Chrisg46 wrote:
Sandor Clegane wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.
The best way to ensure crime is prevented is to put repeat, violent and serious offenders behind lock and key, where they are physically incapable of committing further crime against the general public.
But in order for that to work, those offenders will have had to do it to someone...
This is also true. Our system does work on the basis that you can only jail those convicted of a crime. As has been pointed out above, it's impossible to stop everyone who wants to commit a crime from committing one.

It's what happens once they've identified themselves and shown what they're capable of that society needs to take far better steps to ensure they don't simply do it again and again.

It comes down to a simple question: if you were attacked, would you feel more angry if you learned you were the 10th person the criminal had attacked and he'd done it while on early release from prison?
we need the "3 strikes and you are out" in this country so clear regular offenders are put away for good, but as Davey says random nutcases or even drunks will always happen as no one knows how they will behave full of drugs until it happens and then its too late

But back on topic an incredibly sad time for all who knew him.
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chrisg46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: Swindon Police has a great record for finding and arresting criminals however police records on preventing crime is poor, unfortunately people will continue to die, be injured and be raped until the police focuses on the prevention of crime rather than solving crimes.[/p][/quote]The best way to ensure crime is prevented is to put repeat, violent and serious offenders behind lock and key, where they are physically incapable of committing further crime against the general public.[/p][/quote]But in order for that to work, those offenders will have had to do it to someone...[/p][/quote]This is also true. Our system does work on the basis that you can only jail those convicted of a crime. As has been pointed out above, it's impossible to stop everyone who wants to commit a crime from committing one. It's what happens once they've identified themselves and shown what they're capable of that society needs to take far better steps to ensure they don't simply do it again and again. It comes down to a simple question: if you were attacked, would you feel more angry if you learned you were the 10th person the criminal had attacked and he'd done it while on early release from prison?[/p][/quote]we need the "3 strikes and you are out" in this country so clear regular offenders are put away for good, but as Davey says random nutcases or even drunks will always happen as no one knows how they will behave full of drugs until it happens and then its too late But back on topic an incredibly sad time for all who knew him. house on the hill
  • Score: 1

7:49pm Tue 1 Jul 14

REDROM says...

Firstly RIP Tom & condolences to all family & Friends...

All these youngsters being let of with community orders for street robbery and very violent offences , so this leads to a majority of these growing up thinking it's ok to commit these sort of sick crimes, a 16-18 year old committing violent crimes should do a mandatory 3 months prison, none of the young offenders institutes "Prison" with a suspended sentence of 3 years prison for the next 3 years after completing there time in jail, and do the same for first time violent offenders that are over 18 giving them 6 months instead of 3 months.
Firstly RIP Tom & condolences to all family & Friends... All these youngsters being let of with community orders for street robbery and very violent offences , so this leads to a majority of these growing up thinking it's ok to commit these sort of sick crimes, a 16-18 year old committing violent crimes should do a mandatory 3 months prison, none of the young offenders institutes "Prison" with a suspended sentence of 3 years prison for the next 3 years after completing there time in jail, and do the same for first time violent offenders that are over 18 giving them 6 months instead of 3 months. REDROM
  • Score: 1

8:28am Wed 2 Jul 14

silvergran says...

As that particular place is known as 'muggers alley' I'm surprised there aren't cameras set up there, we have them all over the place in town but this spot certainly needs them. Poor man innocently going home from work and someone ends his life - RIP, condolences to his family.
As that particular place is known as 'muggers alley' I'm surprised there aren't cameras set up there, we have them all over the place in town but this spot certainly needs them. Poor man innocently going home from work and someone ends his life - RIP, condolences to his family. silvergran
  • Score: 2

8:56am Wed 2 Jul 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do.
Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.
Most criminals are career criminals, it is simply not true that people get up one day and go and commit a crime, it is a long process.
In fact I would go as far as saying that crime is a trade, it takes time to learn such a trade.
Policemen know very well who are the criminals in the local area, because they keep on being arrested, released and re-arrested etc....
How do we stop the cycle?
The first priority would be remove the criminal(s), send them away from their families, "business" connections and logistical support.
We could for example send them to live in various isolated parts of the country, islands
Secondly, we know all too well that prisons are Crime schools, a place to learn and perfect crime trade, I would therefore break this cycle by contracting foreign countries to build and manage Prisons to which we would send our unwanted, this would work out a lot cheaper than the £40K a year it cost to feed and entertain each jailed citizen.
Thirdly, we need to make it clear that crime does not pay, a convicted criminal should have part or all of his/her personal assets confiscated to reimburse the cost of Trial and victims(s) indemnity.
As for the lunatics.......I would lock them up or sterilize them or both, to make sure that they do no further damage to the gene pool.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: No amount legislation, more bobbies on the beat etc can stop nutcases doing what they do. Sometimes nothing can be done to stop lunatics committing awful crimes.[/p][/quote]Most criminals are career criminals, it is simply not true that people get up one day and go and commit a crime, it is a long process. In fact I would go as far as saying that crime is a trade, it takes time to learn such a trade. Policemen know very well who are the criminals in the local area, because they keep on being arrested, released and re-arrested etc.... How do we stop the cycle? The first priority would be remove the criminal(s), send them away from their families, "business" connections and logistical support. We could for example send them to live in various isolated parts of the country, islands Secondly, we know all too well that prisons are Crime schools, a place to learn and perfect crime trade, I would therefore break this cycle by contracting foreign countries to build and manage Prisons to which we would send our unwanted, this would work out a lot cheaper than the £40K a year it cost to feed and entertain each jailed citizen. Thirdly, we need to make it clear that crime does not pay, a convicted criminal should have part or all of his/her personal assets confiscated to reimburse the cost of Trial and victims(s) indemnity. As for the lunatics.......I would lock them up or sterilize them or both, to make sure that they do no further damage to the gene pool. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

Bail? For a convicted child rapist?

http://www.swindonad
vertiser.co.uk/news/
11314459.Hunt_for_co
nvicted_sex_offender
_who_skipped_bail/


WILTSHIRE Police are appealing for the public’s assistance in locating a convicted sex offender.


Hands up who thinks he's NOT in Algeria.

'Why can't we be safe here?' - because those entrusted with protecting the public from criminals have decided they have no wish to do so.
Bail? For a convicted child rapist? http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/news/ 11314459.Hunt_for_co nvicted_sex_offender _who_skipped_bail/ [quote] WILTSHIRE Police are appealing for the public’s assistance in locating a convicted sex offender. [/quote] Hands up who thinks he's NOT in Algeria. 'Why can't we be safe here?' - because those entrusted with protecting the public from criminals have decided they have no wish to do so. Sandor Clegane
  • Score: 1

1:10pm Wed 2 Jul 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

Sandor Clegane wrote:
Bail? For a convicted child rapist?

http://www.swindonad

vertiser.co.uk/news/

11314459.Hunt_for_co

nvicted_sex_offender

_who_skipped_bail/


WILTSHIRE Police are appealing for the public’s assistance in locating a convicted sex offender.


Hands up who thinks he's NOT in Algeria.

'Why can't we be safe here?' - because those entrusted with protecting the public from criminals have decided they have no wish to do so.
He is in France, lots of nice kids there for such a criminal
[quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: Bail? For a convicted child rapist? http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/news/ 11314459.Hunt_for_co nvicted_sex_offender _who_skipped_bail/ [quote] WILTSHIRE Police are appealing for the public’s assistance in locating a convicted sex offender. [/quote] Hands up who thinks he's NOT in Algeria. 'Why can't we be safe here?' - because those entrusted with protecting the public from criminals have decided they have no wish to do so.[/p][/quote]He is in France, lots of nice kids there for such a criminal A.Baron-Cohen
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7:58am Thu 3 Jul 14

Sandor Clegane says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Sandor Clegane wrote:
Bail? For a convicted child rapist?

http://www.swindonad


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11314459.Hunt_for_co


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WILTSHIRE Police are appealing for the public’s assistance in locating a convicted sex offender.


Hands up who thinks he's NOT in Algeria.

'Why can't we be safe here?' - because those entrusted with protecting the public from criminals have decided they have no wish to do so.
He is in France, lots of nice kids there for such a criminal
It just shows the naivety of the judiciary and Criminal Justice System that they thought taking his passport away would prevent him leaving the country.

What does it take for them to realise criminals, by definition, don't play by the rules?
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandor Clegane[/bold] wrote: Bail? For a convicted child rapist? http://www.swindonad vertiser.co.uk/news/ 11314459.Hunt_for_co nvicted_sex_offender _who_skipped_bail/ [quote] WILTSHIRE Police are appealing for the public’s assistance in locating a convicted sex offender. [/quote] Hands up who thinks he's NOT in Algeria. 'Why can't we be safe here?' - because those entrusted with protecting the public from criminals have decided they have no wish to do so.[/p][/quote]He is in France, lots of nice kids there for such a criminal[/p][/quote]It just shows the naivety of the judiciary and Criminal Justice System that they thought taking his passport away would prevent him leaving the country. What does it take for them to realise criminals, by definition, don't play by the rules? Sandor Clegane
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