Time to get strict with sex venues

Sexual entertainment venues in Swindon could face tighter rules under new regulations being considered by the council

Sexual entertainment venues in Swindon could face tighter rules under new regulations being considered by the council

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THE future of sexual entertainment venues in Swindon will be decided this year after the licensing committee voted to consult the public on tighter regulations.

Following talks with the four sex venues currently operating in the town centre, licensing officers recommended a resolution to consult across the borough on how the venues should be regulated in the future.

An initial consultation will ask the public if they want to see change or prefer the status quo, ahead of a detailed strategy going out for a 12-week consultation.

If approved, all existing venues would have to re-apply for a tailored licence, with tighter regulations.

Kathryn Ashton, licensing officer at Swindon Council, said: “It would include any venue where there is nudity or partial nudity. The resolution would then go out to public consultation to obtain their views.

“At first the only statutory obligation would be for existing venues, of which we currently have four in Swindon.

“That would include all sex shops and lap-dancing clubs.

“At the moment we can have those venues popping up anywhere in Swindon without control.

“With regulations any venue of a sexual nature would require a specific licence. This would give greater control over some aspects we currently cannot control, such as intimacy and touching.

“All four venues would have to re-apply for their licence, and we would look at all four as a whole.

“All four are currently regulated with proactive enforcement from three officers, but a resolution would allow us to set the criteria.”

Councillors expressed their concerns on the exact form the new licences should take and how the venues could be policed.

Coun Oliver Donachie (Con, Haydon Wick) said: “I am a little concerned about scope of the word sexual, which is open to interpretation, as is the word entertainment.

“There is also the question of businesses who use digital media that could be construed as sexual. The question is how we enforce this.

“In sexual entertainment venues you have a product and a service. “Regulation of the service is fine, but the product is more difficult. There are already laws to deal with the product.”

Coun Derique Montaut (Lab, Liden and Eldene) said: “I am concerned about censorship in any form or drawing judgement on any people’s wishes.

“There is a great deal of abuse of morality, even on the high street, but people do whatever they want behind closed doors.

“It is the impact upon other people we should concern ourselves with.

“I would not want anyone to pass unfair judgements on me."

Coun Steve Wakefield (Lab, Mannington and Western) was concerned about the potential of creating designated areas for sexual entertainment in prominent places.

“Putting things in the centre of town is not necessarily the best place because everyone gets access to it,” he said.

“If you were to determine a certain area, we should make sure they do not all end up on the same street, particularly a main thoroughfare.

“That is one of the things that should be very clear in any consultation.”

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7:21am Fri 4 Jul 14

gambon says...

what we need is more strip clubs let's make swindon the new stag capital of europe big money to be made
what we need is more strip clubs let's make swindon the new stag capital of europe big money to be made gambon
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7:51am Fri 4 Jul 14

Oldtownmum says...

I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree. Oldtownmum
  • Score: -20

8:21am Fri 4 Jul 14

EastleazeRed says...

I haven't got a problem with these venues , eveyone to their own as they say .
I haven't got a problem with these venues , eveyone to their own as they say . EastleazeRed
  • Score: 13

8:21am Fri 4 Jul 14

suburbanbear says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
As said in the article, people can do as they please behind closed doors. Nobody is shoving it in your face or forcing you to enter. Also, many men probably wouldn't tell you they have been to such places, it's not exactly an ice-breaker. I've never been to 'places like that', but it wouldn't surprise me if some women also visit them.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]As said in the article, people can do as they please behind closed doors. Nobody is shoving it in your face or forcing you to enter. Also, many men probably wouldn't tell you they have been to such places, it's not exactly an ice-breaker. I've never been to 'places like that', but it wouldn't surprise me if some women also visit them. suburbanbear
  • Score: 14

8:30am Fri 4 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity. house on the hill
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8:38am Fri 4 Jul 14

EastleazeRed says...

house on the hill wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity.
I take it you've never been to a lap dancing club ? Sad old men and those with low self esteem ? More like stag parties and young lads out for a good laugh .
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity.[/p][/quote]I take it you've never been to a lap dancing club ? Sad old men and those with low self esteem ? More like stag parties and young lads out for a good laugh . EastleazeRed
  • Score: 18

8:44am Fri 4 Jul 14

Cooking_by_smoke_alarm says...

7:51am Fri 4 Jul 14

Oldtownmum says...

I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't


And the Wyvern theatre likewise with all their risqué shows mainly aimed at Wimen. The Wimen who frequent this place need to get a life. I wouldn't go near any of these Wimen and I know many many Fella's share the same views!
The difference with the venues that the article is targeting are PRIVATELY owned. The Wyvern is subsidised and is supposedly 'our' premier Arts and Culture venue. So Oldtownmum, when are you going to apply the same standard across the board? Will this moralistic stance also apply to ALL the local venues that show male strip shows....I don't think so. Selective hypocritical stance?

These rulings will only apply to 'establishments' that show more than twelve such shows per annum. So the Wyvern is neatly out of this bracket.

I think the council would be better spending their time and energy on areas that do cause problems, namely the late night pubs/clubs and the general problems of drunkenness and anti social acts that result.
I have not heard of any problems with these 'establishments'.

Anyway, what is wrong with looking at the female form? Infinitely better designed and more pleasing to the eye than the male one!

Baron-Cohen, the floors yours!
7:51am Fri 4 Jul 14 Oldtownmum says... I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't And the Wyvern theatre likewise with all their risqué shows mainly aimed at Wimen. The Wimen who frequent this place need to get a life. I wouldn't go near any of these Wimen and I know many many Fella's share the same views! The difference with the venues that the article is targeting are PRIVATELY owned. The Wyvern is subsidised and is supposedly 'our' premier Arts and Culture venue. So Oldtownmum, when are you going to apply the same standard across the board? Will this moralistic stance also apply to ALL the local venues that show male strip shows....I don't think so. Selective hypocritical stance? These rulings will only apply to 'establishments' that show more than twelve such shows per annum. So the Wyvern is neatly out of this bracket. I think the council would be better spending their time and energy on areas that do cause problems, namely the late night pubs/clubs and the general problems of drunkenness and anti social acts that result. I have not heard of any problems with these 'establishments'. Anyway, what is wrong with looking at the female form? Infinitely better designed and more pleasing to the eye than the male one! Baron-Cohen, the floors yours! Cooking_by_smoke_alarm
  • Score: 32

9:01am Fri 4 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

Does a town the size of Swindon really need 4 of these venues?
Seems a lot to me.
Does a town the size of Swindon really need 4 of these venues? Seems a lot to me. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 1

9:11am Fri 4 Jul 14

1 2 Could B says...

ChannelX up to the old attention seeking again.
These "new rules" would be totally unenforceable.
As long as this is not happening out on the street, or affecting the everyday life of most people, there must be other issues that our council could dedicate their time towards
ChannelX up to the old attention seeking again. These "new rules" would be totally unenforceable. As long as this is not happening out on the street, or affecting the everyday life of most people, there must be other issues that our council could dedicate their time towards 1 2 Could B
  • Score: 1

9:18am Fri 4 Jul 14

swindondad says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Does a town the size of Swindon really need 4 of these venues?
Seems a lot to me.
If all four venues are making a profit then there must be a large enough market.

Personally its not for me but I have only been to these type of clubs once (yes for a mates stag do) and I admit I found it a little sordid and the drinks over priced but each to their own.
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Does a town the size of Swindon really need 4 of these venues? Seems a lot to me.[/p][/quote]If all four venues are making a profit then there must be a large enough market. Personally its not for me but I have only been to these type of clubs once (yes for a mates stag do) and I admit I found it a little sordid and the drinks over priced but each to their own. swindondad
  • Score: 16

9:25am Fri 4 Jul 14

Ringer says...

1 2 Could B wrote:
ChannelX up to the old attention seeking again.
These "new rules" would be totally unenforceable.
As long as this is not happening out on the street, or affecting the everyday life of most people, there must be other issues that our council could dedicate their time towards
Your Labour pal, Coun Steve Wakefield, seems to be spending some time on the issue as well, why not take it up with him?

And why have you chosen to use your 1 2 Could B login on this thread rather than the 'Ollie Dognaky' one that you use to try and wind everyone up with?
[quote][p][bold]1 2 Could B[/bold] wrote: ChannelX up to the old attention seeking again. These "new rules" would be totally unenforceable. As long as this is not happening out on the street, or affecting the everyday life of most people, there must be other issues that our council could dedicate their time towards[/p][/quote]Your Labour pal, Coun Steve Wakefield, seems to be spending some time on the issue as well, why not take it up with him? And why have you chosen to use your 1 2 Could B login on this thread rather than the 'Ollie Dognaky' one that you use to try and wind everyone up with? Ringer
  • Score: 1

9:43am Fri 4 Jul 14

MrAngry says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
Will this also apply to Botellinos Butlers in the Buff?

Have you ever been to a lap dancing club. Personally I don't like them as they are an expensive waste of money. However, the male customers are under the close scrutiny of bouncers and expected to behave themselves. One girl dancing for one man.

The places where men strip in front of rowdy hen parties are much more sordid in my opinion.

Each to there own.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]Will this also apply to Botellinos Butlers in the Buff? Have you ever been to a lap dancing club. Personally I don't like them as they are an expensive waste of money. However, the male customers are under the close scrutiny of bouncers and expected to behave themselves. One girl dancing for one man. The places where men strip in front of rowdy hen parties are much more sordid in my opinion. Each to there own. MrAngry
  • Score: 18

10:04am Fri 4 Jul 14

1 2 Could B says...

Ringer wrote:
1 2 Could B wrote:
ChannelX up to the old attention seeking again.
These "new rules" would be totally unenforceable.
As long as this is not happening out on the street, or affecting the everyday life of most people, there must be other issues that our council could dedicate their time towards
Your Labour pal, Coun Steve Wakefield, seems to be spending some time on the issue as well, why not take it up with him?

And why have you chosen to use your 1 2 Could B login on this thread rather than the 'Ollie Dognaky' one that you use to try and wind everyone up with?
I totally agree. None of the councillors should be wasting time on this (political party being irrelevant). So yes that would include Steve Wakefield and Oliver Donnachie
Not seen Tim Newroman for a while
[quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1 2 Could B[/bold] wrote: ChannelX up to the old attention seeking again. These "new rules" would be totally unenforceable. As long as this is not happening out on the street, or affecting the everyday life of most people, there must be other issues that our council could dedicate their time towards[/p][/quote]Your Labour pal, Coun Steve Wakefield, seems to be spending some time on the issue as well, why not take it up with him? And why have you chosen to use your 1 2 Could B login on this thread rather than the 'Ollie Dognaky' one that you use to try and wind everyone up with?[/p][/quote]I totally agree. None of the councillors should be wasting time on this (political party being irrelevant). So yes that would include Steve Wakefield and Oliver Donnachie Not seen Tim Newroman for a while 1 2 Could B
  • Score: 0

10:30am Fri 4 Jul 14

Phantom Poster says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
Don't you worry your pretty little head about it love. I'm pretty sure that such men wouldn't want a prude such as you getting anywhere near them!

There really is no place in today's day and age for repressive people who think they should be able to dictate to others what they can and can't do.
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]Don't you worry your pretty little head about it love. I'm pretty sure that such men wouldn't want a prude such as you getting anywhere near them! There really is no place in today's day and age for repressive people who think they should be able to dictate to others what they can and can't do. Phantom Poster
  • Score: 16

10:32am Fri 4 Jul 14

Ringer says...

1 2 Could B wrote:
Ringer wrote:
1 2 Could B wrote:
ChannelX up to the old attention seeking again.
These "new rules" would be totally unenforceable.
As long as this is not happening out on the street, or affecting the everyday life of most people, there must be other issues that our council could dedicate their time towards
Your Labour pal, Coun Steve Wakefield, seems to be spending some time on the issue as well, why not take it up with him?

And why have you chosen to use your 1 2 Could B login on this thread rather than the 'Ollie Dognaky' one that you use to try and wind everyone up with?
I totally agree. None of the councillors should be wasting time on this (political party being irrelevant). So yes that would include Steve Wakefield and Oliver Donnachie
Not seen Tim Newroman for a while
Good that you agree with me, but you didn't answer the question.

Why have you reverted to your 1 2 Could B login instead of the rather childish 'Ollie Dognacky' login that you're now generally using to bait people and wind them up?

Your overwhelming desire to try and silence anyone who disagrees with your own views is not healthy.
[quote][p][bold]1 2 Could B[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ringer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1 2 Could B[/bold] wrote: ChannelX up to the old attention seeking again. These "new rules" would be totally unenforceable. As long as this is not happening out on the street, or affecting the everyday life of most people, there must be other issues that our council could dedicate their time towards[/p][/quote]Your Labour pal, Coun Steve Wakefield, seems to be spending some time on the issue as well, why not take it up with him? And why have you chosen to use your 1 2 Could B login on this thread rather than the 'Ollie Dognaky' one that you use to try and wind everyone up with?[/p][/quote]I totally agree. None of the councillors should be wasting time on this (political party being irrelevant). So yes that would include Steve Wakefield and Oliver Donnachie Not seen Tim Newroman for a while[/p][/quote]Good that you agree with me, but you didn't answer the question. Why have you reverted to your 1 2 Could B login instead of the rather childish 'Ollie Dognacky' login that you're now generally using to bait people and wind them up? Your overwhelming desire to try and silence anyone who disagrees with your own views is not healthy. Ringer
  • Score: -4

10:54am Fri 4 Jul 14

Chrisg46 says...

Have to be honest,i am struggling to think of the 4th venue - there's Foxies, then the one that burnt down at Regents Circus and theres one down the other end of town (called Fantasy perhaps?). Where is number 4?
Have to be honest,i am struggling to think of the 4th venue - there's Foxies, then the one that burnt down at Regents Circus and theres one down the other end of town (called Fantasy perhaps?). Where is number 4? Chrisg46
  • Score: 1

11:07am Fri 4 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍
Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍 Davey Gravey
  • Score: 5

11:33am Fri 4 Jul 14

Phantom Poster says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍
I get it for free at your home as well! Hasn't your wife mentioned?
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍[/p][/quote]I get it for free at your home as well! Hasn't your wife mentioned? Phantom Poster
  • Score: 8

11:39am Fri 4 Jul 14

Chrisg46 says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍
I get it for free at your home as well! Hasn't your wife mentioned?
That will be the 4th venue then :)
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍[/p][/quote]I get it for free at your home as well! Hasn't your wife mentioned?[/p][/quote]That will be the 4th venue then :) Chrisg46
  • Score: 9

11:54am Fri 4 Jul 14

Fox in Exile says...

Chrisg - As St Tropez has been closed down the 4th venue is obviously Ann Summers
Chrisg - As St Tropez has been closed down the 4th venue is obviously Ann Summers Fox in Exile
  • Score: 0

12:05pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍
I get it for free at your home as well! Hasn't your wife mentioned?
I wasn't aware I was married. 💑 😎
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍[/p][/quote]I get it for free at your home as well! Hasn't your wife mentioned?[/p][/quote]I wasn't aware I was married. 💑 😎 Davey Gravey
  • Score: 1

12:23pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Phantom Poster says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍
I get it for free at your home as well! Hasn't your wife mentioned?
I wasn't aware I was married. 💑 😎
Doctor, doctor - sense of humour transplant needed immediately!

You do realise that the symbols you attach to the end of your messages don't display property?

As seems to have become the tradition here, I'll sign off with an obscure number +68444
[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍[/p][/quote]I get it for free at your home as well! Hasn't your wife mentioned?[/p][/quote]I wasn't aware I was married. 💑 😎[/p][/quote]Doctor, doctor - sense of humour transplant needed immediately! You do realise that the symbols you attach to the end of your messages don't display property? As seems to have become the tradition here, I'll sign off with an obscure number +68444 Phantom Poster
  • Score: -3

12:29pm Fri 4 Jul 14

messyits says...

The other venue is Hardons-**** near you soon.
The other venue is Hardons-**** near you soon. messyits
  • Score: -5

12:34pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Phantom Poster says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
By the way, I've never been in any such establishment, so have no idea if they are seedy or sordid inside. I'm curious - how do uou know what they are like? Have you become bitter because you have lost your looks and your pole dancing career has come to an end?

I hate pole dancers - how dare they come to this country and steal our jobs!
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]By the way, I've never been in any such establishment, so have no idea if they are seedy or sordid inside. I'm curious - how do uou know what they are like? Have you become bitter because you have lost your looks and your pole dancing career has come to an end? I hate pole dancers - how dare they come to this country and steal our jobs! Phantom Poster
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Phantom Poster says...

Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
By the way, I've never been in any such establishment, so have no idea if they are seedy or sordid inside. I'm curious - how do uou know what they are like? Have you become bitter because you have lost your looks and your pole dancing career has come to an end?

I hate pole dancers - how dare they come to this country and steal our jobs!
[quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]By the way, I've never been in any such establishment, so have no idea if they are seedy or sordid inside. I'm curious - how do uou know what they are like? Have you become bitter because you have lost your looks and your pole dancing career has come to an end? I hate pole dancers - how dare they come to this country and steal our jobs! Phantom Poster
  • Score: -2

12:45pm Fri 4 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity.
I take it you've never been to a lap dancing club ? Sad old men and those with low self esteem ? More like stag parties and young lads out for a good laugh .
As I said sad people who see taking (legalised) drugs and leering at women as entertainment! If that's your idea of a "good laugh" then there isn't really much more to say......
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity.[/p][/quote]I take it you've never been to a lap dancing club ? Sad old men and those with low self esteem ? More like stag parties and young lads out for a good laugh .[/p][/quote]As I said sad people who see taking (legalised) drugs and leering at women as entertainment! If that's your idea of a "good laugh" then there isn't really much more to say...... house on the hill
  • Score: -6

12:51pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍
I get it for free at your home as well! Hasn't your wife mentioned?
I wasn't aware I was married. 💑 😎
Doctor, doctor - sense of humour transplant needed immediately!

You do realise that the symbols you attach to the end of your messages don't display property?

As seems to have become the tradition here, I'll sign off with an obscure number +68444
If you could see the symbols you would see i took it in jest.
As usual you see more than there is to everything. Never mind.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote: Been in foxies once. Not my thing and prefer a woman who wants me and not my money. I get it for free at home -5000👎👍[/p][/quote]I get it for free at your home as well! Hasn't your wife mentioned?[/p][/quote]I wasn't aware I was married. 💑 😎[/p][/quote]Doctor, doctor - sense of humour transplant needed immediately! You do realise that the symbols you attach to the end of your messages don't display property? As seems to have become the tradition here, I'll sign off with an obscure number +68444[/p][/quote]If you could see the symbols you would see i took it in jest. As usual you see more than there is to everything. Never mind. Davey Gravey
  • Score: 2

12:53pm Fri 4 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

Phantom Poster wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
Don't you worry your pretty little head about it love. I'm pretty sure that such men wouldn't want a prude such as you getting anywhere near them!

There really is no place in today's day and age for repressive people who think they should be able to dictate to others what they can and can't do.
so murder, rape and child **** is ok then if its a free world? The problem is that no one can agree on what should and what should and what should not be allowed, we all all have our opinions. For me the bloke who recently knifed the innocent stranger on his bike should be strung up from the nearest tree, but I am sure there will be those who disagree for one opinion or another.

no one is dictating or repressing, just pointing out how sad and sordid the world has become when both sexes view leering at "fit" people as entertainment when the real world has so much to offer.

As others have said each to their own and not liking these sorts of things doesn't make you a prude, just very concerned for where society is heading.
[quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]Don't you worry your pretty little head about it love. I'm pretty sure that such men wouldn't want a prude such as you getting anywhere near them! There really is no place in today's day and age for repressive people who think they should be able to dictate to others what they can and can't do.[/p][/quote]so murder, rape and child **** is ok then if its a free world? The problem is that no one can agree on what should and what should and what should not be allowed, we all all have our opinions. For me the bloke who recently knifed the innocent stranger on his bike should be strung up from the nearest tree, but I am sure there will be those who disagree for one opinion or another. no one is dictating or repressing, just pointing out how sad and sordid the world has become when both sexes view leering at "fit" people as entertainment when the real world has so much to offer. As others have said each to their own and not liking these sorts of things doesn't make you a prude, just very concerned for where society is heading. house on the hill
  • Score: 3

1:06pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Phantom Poster says...

house on the hill wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity.
I take it you've never been to a lap dancing club ? Sad old men and those with low self esteem ? More like stag parties and young lads out for a good laugh .
As I said sad people who see taking (legalised) drugs and leering at women as entertainment! If that's your idea of a "good laugh" then there isn't really much more to say......
I've never been to one or have any interest on going to one. But I don't find that a reason to judgementally look down my nose at people who do - to each their own Do they take drugs? I wasn't aware of that - obviously you knowote about them than most. They are doing no-one any harm ( cue the feminist rants!) And I think you'll find that at the weekend it's not people from 'gentlemen's clubs' who clog up A&E
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity.[/p][/quote]I take it you've never been to a lap dancing club ? Sad old men and those with low self esteem ? More like stag parties and young lads out for a good laugh .[/p][/quote]As I said sad people who see taking (legalised) drugs and leering at women as entertainment! If that's your idea of a "good laugh" then there isn't really much more to say......[/p][/quote]I've never been to one or have any interest on going to one. But I don't find that a reason to judgementally look down my nose at people who do - to each their own Do they take drugs? I wasn't aware of that - obviously you knowote about them than most. They are doing no-one any harm ( cue the feminist rants!) And I think you'll find that at the weekend it's not people from 'gentlemen's clubs' who clog up A&E Phantom Poster
  • Score: 1

1:14pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Phantom Poster says...

house on the hill wrote:
Phantom Poster wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
Don't you worry your pretty little head about it love. I'm pretty sure that such men wouldn't want a prude such as you getting anywhere near them!

There really is no place in today's day and age for repressive people who think they should be able to dictate to others what they can and can't do.
so murder, rape and child **** is ok then if its a free world? The problem is that no one can agree on what should and what should and what should not be allowed, we all all have our opinions. For me the bloke who recently knifed the innocent stranger on his bike should be strung up from the nearest tree, but I am sure there will be those who disagree for one opinion or another.

no one is dictating or repressing, just pointing out how sad and sordid the world has become when both sexes view leering at "fit" people as entertainment when the real world has so much to offer.

As others have said each to their own and not liking these sorts of things doesn't make you a prude, just very concerned for where society is heading.
It's really not that difficult - if an act is not consensual then it's wrong. Otherwise to each their own

No the world has not become more seedy and sordid - the world in that respect is as it has always been Do you think that in Roman times it was a world of innocence, with no sordid aspects?
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phantom Poster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]Don't you worry your pretty little head about it love. I'm pretty sure that such men wouldn't want a prude such as you getting anywhere near them! There really is no place in today's day and age for repressive people who think they should be able to dictate to others what they can and can't do.[/p][/quote]so murder, rape and child **** is ok then if its a free world? The problem is that no one can agree on what should and what should and what should not be allowed, we all all have our opinions. For me the bloke who recently knifed the innocent stranger on his bike should be strung up from the nearest tree, but I am sure there will be those who disagree for one opinion or another. no one is dictating or repressing, just pointing out how sad and sordid the world has become when both sexes view leering at "fit" people as entertainment when the real world has so much to offer. As others have said each to their own and not liking these sorts of things doesn't make you a prude, just very concerned for where society is heading.[/p][/quote]It's really not that difficult - if an act is not consensual then it's wrong. Otherwise to each their own No the world has not become more seedy and sordid - the world in that respect is as it has always been Do you think that in Roman times it was a world of innocence, with no sordid aspects? Phantom Poster
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Cooking_by_smoke_alarm says...

house on the hill says... original statement

Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity.

house on the hill says...later statement

no one is dictating or repressing, just pointing out how sad and sordid the world has become when both sexes view leering at "fit" people as entertainment when the real world has so much to offer.


A change of tune from singularly slating Fella's who frequent lap dancing/strip clubs
To a later statement of included females in this moral tale.

You seem to struggle to vent your spleen at both sexes in a fair and equal mode.

I can remember when Foxies first made noises at opening a 'topless' club in Swindon, and the 'spiel' from our then Council leader Ms Bates was one of "just don't go" heaped with suitable indignation and opprobrium on anyone that dared venture foot inside;
and yet previous to this, on Council property (Oasis) it was seen as fit and proper to stage The Chippendales.

Double standards, hypocrisy call it what you will; But these 'morals' existed then within our Councillors and will probably exhibit themselves again shortly.

revoke licences for said premises? will the Wyvern, Oasis, The Village Inn, Moonrakers et al come under a similar and equal revue? I doubt it.
house on the hill says... original statement Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity. house on the hill says...later statement no one is dictating or repressing, just pointing out how sad and sordid the world has become when both sexes view leering at "fit" people as entertainment when the real world has so much to offer. A change of tune from singularly slating Fella's who frequent lap dancing/strip clubs To a later statement of included females in this moral tale. You seem to struggle to vent your spleen at both sexes in a fair and equal mode. I can remember when Foxies first made noises at opening a 'topless' club in Swindon, and the 'spiel' from our then Council leader Ms Bates was one of "just don't go" heaped with suitable indignation and opprobrium on anyone that dared venture foot inside; and yet previous to this, on Council property (Oasis) it was seen as fit and proper to stage The Chippendales. Double standards, hypocrisy call it what you will; But these 'morals' existed then within our Councillors and will probably exhibit themselves again shortly. revoke licences for said premises? will the Wyvern, Oasis, The Village Inn, Moonrakers et al come under a similar and equal revue? I doubt it. Cooking_by_smoke_alarm
  • Score: 4

3:14pm Fri 4 Jul 14

WiltsBerks says...

I'm finding the comments here fascinating. It is indeed a strange social evolution where 'sexual entertainment' provided by women is regarded as needing invigilating and close monitoring and licensing, and must be contained to specific venues... but literally any pub, community centre or other venue can host very explicit strip shows featuring male entertainers? From what my lady friends tell me, the male strippers as a matter of routine feature hands-on sex acts with member sof the audience. There does seem to be a distinct double standard that to me is hard to ignore. Equally, why do we regard lap-dancing and pole-dancing as 'exploitative' and 'sexist' but for ladies to pay to see Butlers In The Buff or The Chippendales it is 'just a laugh'.... I think with this background, it's not possible for anyone to take the moral high-ground, to attempt to do so is laughable and doesn't bear any scrutiny. As mentioned above, it's easy for critics of the male-oriented entertainements to resort to cliched stereo types of it being seedy and for 'sad men' - but yet do they cast the ame judgements of women paying to see male strippers? I doubt it. I have young female friends who pay to see male strippers in explicit shows, who get so drunk they lose their voices from screaming and shouting so much... it seems that the acceptable conduct for these events is in strict contrast to what is expected at male oriented venues -no drunkeness, no shouting, and no touching, or you're booted out. Very civilised in comparison...
I'm finding the comments here fascinating. It is indeed a strange social evolution where 'sexual entertainment' provided by women is regarded as needing invigilating and close monitoring and licensing, and must be contained to specific venues... but literally any pub, community centre or other venue can host very explicit strip shows featuring male entertainers? From what my lady friends tell me, the male strippers as a matter of routine feature hands-on sex acts with member sof the audience. There does seem to be a distinct double standard that to me is hard to ignore. Equally, why do we regard lap-dancing and pole-dancing as 'exploitative' and 'sexist' but for ladies to pay to see Butlers In The Buff or The Chippendales it is 'just a laugh'.... I think with this background, it's not possible for anyone to take the moral high-ground, to attempt to do so is laughable and doesn't bear any scrutiny. As mentioned above, it's easy for critics of the male-oriented entertainements to resort to cliched stereo types of it being seedy and for 'sad men' - but yet do they cast the ame judgements of women paying to see male strippers? I doubt it. I have young female friends who pay to see male strippers in explicit shows, who get so drunk they lose their voices from screaming and shouting so much... it seems that the acceptable conduct for these events is in strict contrast to what is expected at male oriented venues -no drunkeness, no shouting, and no touching, or you're booted out. Very civilised in comparison... WiltsBerks
  • Score: 5

4:11pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Cooking_by_smoke_alarm says...

WiltsBerks says...

I'm finding the comments here fascinating. It is indeed a strange social evolution where 'sexual entertainment' provided by women is regarded as needing invigilating and close monitoring and licensing, and must be contained to specific venues... but literally any pub, community centre or other venue can host very explicit strip shows featuring male entertainers? From what my lady friends tell me, the male strippers as a matter of routine feature hands-on sex acts with member sof the audience. There does seem to be a distinct double standard that to me is hard to ignore. Equally, why do we regard lap-dancing and pole-dancing as 'exploitative' and 'sexist' but for ladies to pay to see Butlers In The Buff or The Chippendales it is 'just a laugh'.... I think with this background, it's not possible for anyone to take the moral high-ground, to attempt to do so is laughable and doesn't bear any scrutiny. As mentioned above, it's easy for critics of the male-oriented entertainements to resort to cliched stereo types of it being seedy and for 'sad men' - but yet do they cast the ame judgements of women paying to see male strippers? I doubt it. I have young female friends who pay to see male strippers in explicit shows, who get so drunk they lose their voices from screaming and shouting so much... it seems that the acceptable conduct for these events is in strict contrast to what is expected at male oriented venues -no drunkeness, no shouting, and no touching, or you're booted out. Very civilised in comparison...



I would struggle to compose or write a fairer and accurate article as this; And yes, I have been invited along to a Hen night by my girlfriend and her mates....and yes, male strip shows are more 'hands on' and raucous than the equivalent stag do's I have been to.
I think some who write here do so with their 'minds eye', not from reality; and this will probably be the basis on which our Councillors will form their opinions.
WiltsBerks says... I'm finding the comments here fascinating. It is indeed a strange social evolution where 'sexual entertainment' provided by women is regarded as needing invigilating and close monitoring and licensing, and must be contained to specific venues... but literally any pub, community centre or other venue can host very explicit strip shows featuring male entertainers? From what my lady friends tell me, the male strippers as a matter of routine feature hands-on sex acts with member sof the audience. There does seem to be a distinct double standard that to me is hard to ignore. Equally, why do we regard lap-dancing and pole-dancing as 'exploitative' and 'sexist' but for ladies to pay to see Butlers In The Buff or The Chippendales it is 'just a laugh'.... I think with this background, it's not possible for anyone to take the moral high-ground, to attempt to do so is laughable and doesn't bear any scrutiny. As mentioned above, it's easy for critics of the male-oriented entertainements to resort to cliched stereo types of it being seedy and for 'sad men' - but yet do they cast the ame judgements of women paying to see male strippers? I doubt it. I have young female friends who pay to see male strippers in explicit shows, who get so drunk they lose their voices from screaming and shouting so much... it seems that the acceptable conduct for these events is in strict contrast to what is expected at male oriented venues -no drunkeness, no shouting, and no touching, or you're booted out. Very civilised in comparison... I would struggle to compose or write a fairer and accurate article as this; And yes, I have been invited along to a Hen night by my girlfriend and her mates....and yes, male strip shows are more 'hands on' and raucous than the equivalent stag do's I have been to. I think some who write here do so with their 'minds eye', not from reality; and this will probably be the basis on which our Councillors will form their opinions. Cooking_by_smoke_alarm
  • Score: 1

8:44pm Fri 4 Jul 14

BigBarry says...

I argee there should be tighter controls and that men should get what they pay for, no more ugly mouses or tiny tittys please, I argee council inspectors should be checking the girls to make make should they not being misleading under the trades descriptions act.
I argee there should be tighter controls and that men should get what they pay for, no more ugly mouses or tiny tittys please, I argee council inspectors should be checking the girls to make make should they not being misleading under the trades descriptions act. BigBarry
  • Score: -4

1:24am Sat 5 Jul 14

swindonurock says...

If they're going to exist at all, then they are far better to be in one small area rather than spread around, not least because they're more easily controlled and regulated in that way.

Also, if you're going to degrade any area by having such a venue, then far better to just degrade one slightly bigger area than four separate areas.

Coun Steve Wakefield has his head up his backside if he thinks it's better that they're spread around all over Swindon, rather than in one place.

It's unfortunate that anyone feels a need for them to exist at all, so I wouldn't permit them at all if I had my way, but if they are going to exist, then far better they be properly regulated than not at all.
If they're going to exist at all, then they are far better to be in one small area rather than spread around, not least because they're more easily controlled and regulated in that way. Also, if you're going to degrade any area by having such a venue, then far better to just degrade one slightly bigger area than four separate areas. Coun Steve Wakefield has his head up his backside if he thinks it's better that they're spread around all over Swindon, rather than in one place. It's unfortunate that anyone feels a need for them to exist at all, so I wouldn't permit them at all if I had my way, but if they are going to exist, then far better they be properly regulated than not at all. swindonurock
  • Score: 2

12:27pm Sat 5 Jul 14

nigelej says...

house on the hill wrote:
Oldtownmum wrote:
I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.
Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity.
What time will you be there Saturday will put a drink on the bar for you lol
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldtownmum[/bold] wrote: I'd like to see everyone of them shut down. Nasty, sordid, places.There's no place for it in today's day and age. The men who frequent need to get a life. I wouldn't go near a man who went to places like that and many many women agree.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on your side, only very sad men with empty lives and low self esteem would be seen dead anywhere near them. Real men don't need them or want them and yes they drag the town down and the fact we seem to need more here says more about the men in the town than anything else. But then i suppose you could say good on the women who work there and make money out the saddo's and take advantage of their insecurities and stupidity.[/p][/quote]What time will you be there Saturday will put a drink on the bar for you lol nigelej
  • Score: -2

2:46pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

So because it causes some offense to a couple of coffin dodgers an industry needs to pull out of the town?
Does this mean the views of all people need to be taken into account? Large industry hurts the environment so that mean they all need to go as well?

For all the "its a seedy world" comments and seemingly massive gaps in knowledge there are many calls to close these venues which put money into the town provide jobs and took up empty buildings which would of been derelict.
These clubs are behind big closed doors with even bigger security guards in front, its legal, they pay taxes and if its not for you, you dont have to go in.
Just more self important people sounding out.
Virtually all towns and cities have these ADULT entertainment facilities almost all of the arguments against these clubs could be equally leveled at pubs.
Good luck with you businesses folks.
So because it causes some offense to a couple of coffin dodgers an industry needs to pull out of the town? Does this mean the views of all people need to be taken into account? Large industry hurts the environment so that mean they all need to go as well? For all the "its a seedy world" comments and seemingly massive gaps in knowledge there are many calls to close these venues which put money into the town provide jobs and took up empty buildings which would of been derelict. These clubs are behind big closed doors with even bigger security guards in front, its legal, they pay taxes and if its not for you, you dont have to go in. Just more self important people sounding out. Virtually all towns and cities have these ADULT entertainment facilities almost all of the arguments against these clubs could be equally leveled at pubs. Good luck with you businesses folks. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

10:40am Sun 6 Jul 14

faatmaan says...

most of the sentiments from the objectors are based on stereotypical typecasting, most of the venues are in non residential areas, these places rely on patronage from individuals , if there was no demand they would not exist. Please lets not have Swindon subjected to the whims of the uninformed few as happens in Oxford and causes other issues to be highly contested and nothing ever gets done for the better or for the residents.
most of the sentiments from the objectors are based on stereotypical typecasting, most of the venues are in non residential areas, these places rely on patronage from individuals , if there was no demand they would not exist. Please lets not have Swindon subjected to the whims of the uninformed few as happens in Oxford and causes other issues to be highly contested and nothing ever gets done for the better or for the residents. faatmaan
  • Score: 0

8:05pm Sun 6 Jul 14

John Watson says...

Am sick and tired of one rule for man and one rule for woman ,they call men perverts when they go to lap dancing clubs yet it is so say just a laugh when women go to see male strippers and a lot more happens when woman go all touching and kissing yet men just look .Also tired of the Wyvern Theatre it seems they have male strippers there every month and have done for years how about balancing things up and have something there for men
Am sick and tired of one rule for man and one rule for woman ,they call men perverts when they go to lap dancing clubs yet it is so say just a laugh when women go to see male strippers and a lot more happens when woman go all touching and kissing yet men just look .Also tired of the Wyvern Theatre it seems they have male strippers there every month and have done for years how about balancing things up and have something there for men John Watson
  • Score: 4

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