Buses only on Fleming Way

Buses only on Fleming Way

Buses only on Fleming Way

First published in News Swindon Advertiser: Photograph of the Author by , @Michael_Benke

THE next stage of the Kimmerfield development was given the go-ahead this week when an application to close parts of Fleming Way to traffic was approved.

A major part of the redevelopment involves relocating the bus station along Fleming Way which will become one way and for buses only.

When it comes into effect it will mean the road will only be open to buses heading from Holbrook Way to the Whalebridge Roundabout.

The council applied to Swindon Magistrates Court on Monday for the closure and it was granted.

It now means talks can progress with the plans, with the ‘stopping up’ of Fleming Way expected to come into effect from January 2016.

Councillor Garry Perkins (Con, Haydon Wick), who is the lead member for economic regeneration, said: “We are obviously very pleased to have the decision. This is a big step forward and means we can move onto the next step.

“We are looking to conclude talks with IGNIS over the Greggs and Pasty shop and we will talk with the bus companies about re-locating the bus stops.

“A lot of things are going on behind the scene but they take weeks rather than months. Talks are going on between the developers Muse and possible customers to fill the space.

“I would say this is the start of the middle phase. Once actual work starts things will happen very quickly.”

When completed it is expected the £350 million Kimmerfield development will see new office space and shops which will expand the town centre.

The first stage of the plan was completed last year with the opening of the new 850 space car park and sheltered accommodation.

At Monday’s application, it emerged there were no formal objections to the road changes.

Coun Perkins said: “Over recent months we have done a lot of consultation with residents, businesses and ward councillors over the proposals.

“This will continue as we look to make people aware of the changes.”

However, some people in the area have warned that the scheme needs to be properly thought out before any work is carried out.

Coun Bob Wright (Lab, Central) said: “It is very important they do not go ahead until they have properly thought through what will happen with the traffic which is displaced.

“This will see more traffic moved into residential areas and away from roads designed to deal with large volumes of traffic.

“There are some positives but they need to make sure the plans are in everyone’s interest. We know the developers and the bus company will benefit but the local businesses and residents can’t be ignored.”

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8:19am Thu 31 Jul 14

suburbanbear says...

“This will see more traffic moved into residential areas and away from roads designed to deal with large volumes of traffic.

“There are some positives but they need to make sure the plans are in everyone’s interest. We know the developers and the bus company will benefit but the local businesses and residents can’t be ignored.”

Precisely. From the sounds of the article, it looks as though it's only buses that are getting consideration here.
“This will see more traffic moved into residential areas and away from roads designed to deal with large volumes of traffic. “There are some positives but they need to make sure the plans are in everyone’s interest. We know the developers and the bus company will benefit but the local businesses and residents can’t be ignored.” Precisely. From the sounds of the article, it looks as though it's only buses that are getting consideration here. suburbanbear
  • Score: 44

8:28am Thu 31 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

the whole driving experience through town is stupid enough already, clearly this is just designed to keep more people out which is hardly going to hep trade increase in the town centre. Not sure what the bigger picture benefits are here.
the whole driving experience through town is stupid enough already, clearly this is just designed to keep more people out which is hardly going to hep trade increase in the town centre. Not sure what the bigger picture benefits are here. house on the hill
  • Score: 49

8:39am Thu 31 Jul 14

nobody says...

As someone who not only lives in the town centre but uses that road everyday I can say I was not consulted, I wasn't even aware they were consulting.
The road layout in the town centre is already atrocious, this is bound to make it worse.
As someone who not only lives in the town centre but uses that road everyday I can say I was not consulted, I wasn't even aware they were consulting. The road layout in the town centre is already atrocious, this is bound to make it worse. nobody
  • Score: 63

9:39am Thu 31 Jul 14

SwindonMav says...

As if traffic is not bad enough they go and take away another road for cars, well done. How much do you want to bet that the planners don't even drive cars or know what chaos they are doing! I am sick to death of the road system / bad changes made to Swindon town and no longer visit any of the high street shops because if it. Losing the roundabout that use to be outside the jury’s inn was a big mistake, now more traffic is being forced onto the magic roundabout, traffic is doing U turns on a small roundabout outside Halfords or down residential roads which i feel very sorry for people who live there.
I no longer visit town centre any more since the changes. Retail parks where there is plenty of free parking and easy road access to each shop will continue to get my business.
As if traffic is not bad enough they go and take away another road for cars, well done. How much do you want to bet that the planners don't even drive cars or know what chaos they are doing! I am sick to death of the road system / bad changes made to Swindon town and no longer visit any of the high street shops because if it. Losing the roundabout that use to be outside the jury’s inn was a big mistake, now more traffic is being forced onto the magic roundabout, traffic is doing U turns on a small roundabout outside Halfords or down residential roads which i feel very sorry for people who live there. I no longer visit town centre any more since the changes. Retail parks where there is plenty of free parking and easy road access to each shop will continue to get my business. SwindonMav
  • Score: 65

9:43am Thu 31 Jul 14

Wildwestener says...

Another planning joke. No thought for those living locally or those who will be even further gridlocked . Still, once again as long as the property developers get what they want, who cares about the locals.
It's almost as if the Council are doing everything they can to p*** off the locals to see how far they can go. They must be laughing their socks off.
Another planning joke. No thought for those living locally or those who will be even further gridlocked . Still, once again as long as the property developers get what they want, who cares about the locals. It's almost as if the Council are doing everything they can to p*** off the locals to see how far they can go. They must be laughing their socks off. Wildwestener
  • Score: 48

9:55am Thu 31 Jul 14

nicky noo says...

i live near here and traffic has become steadily worse since The Jurys Inn road layout was changed. traffic goes round by Halfords and up through side streets to by-pass Princess st. well done council. now it's all going to go along Manchester rd which isn't big enough anyway just so councilors can say how well they have done to improve image of town centre. you have parked lorries and buses all trying to squeeze through now. and cars trying to drive the wrong way up Wellington st. yup. a huge mess. no-one i know was consulted on recent proposals. only plans printed in Adver years ago. god help future generations of Swindonians.
i live near here and traffic has become steadily worse since The Jurys Inn road layout was changed. traffic goes round by Halfords and up through side streets to by-pass Princess st. well done council. now it's all going to go along Manchester rd which isn't big enough anyway just so councilors can say how well they have done to improve image of town centre. you have parked lorries and buses all trying to squeeze through now. and cars trying to drive the wrong way up Wellington st. yup. a huge mess. no-one i know was consulted on recent proposals. only plans printed in Adver years ago. god help future generations of Swindonians. nicky noo
  • Score: 40

10:01am Thu 31 Jul 14

nicky noo says...

oh btw, probably no one objected because, A not everyone reads the Adver. B no info was letter-boxed or meetings called. C. nothing in town centre library or posters put up to advertise fact. if we wanted to get info, we need to be told things in the first place. it is all cut an dried. same old council backhanders i expect. on another note, the Locarno plans... did anyone notice a shared road surface there, too?
oh btw, probably no one objected because, A not everyone reads the Adver. B no info was letter-boxed or meetings called. C. nothing in town centre library or posters put up to advertise fact. if we wanted to get info, we need to be told things in the first place. it is all cut an dried. same old council backhanders i expect. on another note, the Locarno plans... did anyone notice a shared road surface there, too? nicky noo
  • Score: 22

11:35am Thu 31 Jul 14

swindon4689 says...

Get a life you lot, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Don't you get bored of it? If you had a problem you should have objected, this has been being planned for months and months.

Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.

Kn*bs.
Get a life you lot, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Don't you get bored of it? If you had a problem you should have objected, this has been being planned for months and months. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't. Kn*bs. swindon4689
  • Score: -56

11:45am Thu 31 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

While I fully support pedestrianized areas I think the benefits of these areas far out weigh some minor upset.
However I have no faith in the ability of SBC to plan for this and make provisions to ensure negative impacts are as minimal as possible.
There are hundreds of towns and cities in Europe that use the car free zones and have made them features rather than a hindrance.

They are used for markets and stalls, hubs for social interaction encouraging people to walk or cycle more.
Germany really utilize these spaces well and Swindon does already have large public areas but they are either not used or have a bad public image.
This topic has come up a few times and most really dont want it "I have paid my road tax" etc....A number of peoples problems seem to stem from not wanting to sit on a bus with other people.
This could be an amazing opportunity to really develop the town and to be in place before the economy picks up again. Sadly I see it going the same way as everything else our incompetent council has touched they will line their own pockets and the people will suffer.
While I fully support pedestrianized areas I think the benefits of these areas far out weigh some minor upset. However I have no faith in the ability of SBC to plan for this and make provisions to ensure negative impacts are as minimal as possible. There are hundreds of towns and cities in Europe that use the car free zones and have made them features rather than a hindrance. They are used for markets and stalls, hubs for social interaction encouraging people to walk or cycle more. Germany really utilize these spaces well and Swindon does already have large public areas but they are either not used or have a bad public image. This topic has come up a few times and most really dont want it "I have paid my road tax" etc....A number of peoples problems seem to stem from not wanting to sit on a bus with other people. This could be an amazing opportunity to really develop the town and to be in place before the economy picks up again. Sadly I see it going the same way as everything else our incompetent council has touched they will line their own pockets and the people will suffer. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: 5

1:01pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Davey Gravey says...

Ever growing traffic on the roads concentrated into ever smaller areas to drive on = a recipe for problems. Congestion, pollution, more traffic in residential areas etc, etc. Doesn't bode well does it?
Ever growing traffic on the roads concentrated into ever smaller areas to drive on = a recipe for problems. Congestion, pollution, more traffic in residential areas etc, etc. Doesn't bode well does it? Davey Gravey
  • Score: 7

1:33pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Slim1978 says...

Another well thought out plan, NOT! SBC do not have clue what they are doing and where and how traffic flows throughout the town, that's apparent from the amount of already messed up junctions we all already have to navigate on a daily basis.
As for the bus service extremely over priced for the distance it travels and the service it offers.

Another bad move by SBC.

Interesting thought how long before the developer goes bust or cannot deliver the plans that SBC has asked for??
Another well thought out plan, NOT! SBC do not have clue what they are doing and where and how traffic flows throughout the town, that's apparent from the amount of already messed up junctions we all already have to navigate on a daily basis. As for the bus service extremely over priced for the distance it travels and the service it offers. Another bad move by SBC. Interesting thought how long before the developer goes bust or cannot deliver the plans that SBC has asked for?? Slim1978
  • Score: 22

1:42pm Thu 31 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

Wildwestener wrote:
Another planning joke. No thought for those living locally or those who will be even further gridlocked . Still, once again as long as the property developers get what they want, who cares about the locals.
It's almost as if the Council are doing everything they can to p*** off the locals to see how far they can go. They must be laughing their socks off.
I think you are giving them more credit than they are due. I don't think they are trying to p**s anyone off they are just so incompetent and useless that is just the usual outcome of their actions (or inactions) or a regular basis
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: Another planning joke. No thought for those living locally or those who will be even further gridlocked . Still, once again as long as the property developers get what they want, who cares about the locals. It's almost as if the Council are doing everything they can to p*** off the locals to see how far they can go. They must be laughing their socks off.[/p][/quote]I think you are giving them more credit than they are due. I don't think they are trying to p**s anyone off they are just so incompetent and useless that is just the usual outcome of their actions (or inactions) or a regular basis house on the hill
  • Score: 28

1:44pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Dickdock says...

Brilliant news
This will we be a well needed boost to the town centre, it will get rid of all the congestion around town.
It's a well thought through scheme, that will bring all the retailers such as next to flock to the town to open up new stores.
The best thing any town centre can do is discourage shoppers to travel to the town centre by car,
OH wait a minute that is what they have been doing.

What a joke, the town centre is falling apart around them but they continue with the same old plan, when are you going to talk to the people, not just the people that use the busses and shop in pound land

Next close their store this week, has anybody asked why?
Brilliant news This will we be a well needed boost to the town centre, it will get rid of all the congestion around town. It's a well thought through scheme, that will bring all the retailers such as next to flock to the town to open up new stores. The best thing any town centre can do is discourage shoppers to travel to the town centre by car, OH wait a minute that is what they have been doing. What a joke, the town centre is falling apart around them but they continue with the same old plan, when are you going to talk to the people, not just the people that use the busses and shop in pound land Next close their store this week, has anybody asked why? Dickdock
  • Score: 24

2:04pm Thu 31 Jul 14

COYR1958 says...

I have only lived in Swindon for 25 years but always used to visit the Town centre fortnightly for shopping. Now I visit very seldom April being the last visit. WHY? Traffic, car park costs, and the ever decreasing quality of shops. With all the major stores out of town with good access and free parking SBC continue to kill off the Town centre
I have only lived in Swindon for 25 years but always used to visit the Town centre fortnightly for shopping. Now I visit very seldom April being the last visit. WHY? Traffic, car park costs, and the ever decreasing quality of shops. With all the major stores out of town with good access and free parking SBC continue to kill off the Town centre COYR1958
  • Score: 30

2:17pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Al Smith says...

Better bus station, great, shame the bus service is worse than it was 10/20/30... years ago! There are parts of Swindon that no longer have a bus service and other parts where there is no evening service.

What about the other station in town, the railway station, getting to it now is going to be made even worse now. Traffic from Queens Drive/Fleming Way direction will now have to use County Road and Manchester Road (joining traffic coming from North and West Swindon). Traffic from the Old Town direction will either have to go through the Regents Circus "shared space" or cut through Eastcott at various places (joining traffic from parts of West Swindon).

Another nail in the coffin of the town centre (it doesn't matter how many nice shiny buildings you have no one will want them if people don't go into the town centre anymore).
Better bus station, great, shame the bus service is worse than it was 10/20/30... years ago! There are parts of Swindon that no longer have a bus service and other parts where there is no evening service. What about the other station in town, the railway station, getting to it now is going to be made even worse now. Traffic from Queens Drive/Fleming Way direction will now have to use County Road and Manchester Road (joining traffic coming from North and West Swindon). Traffic from the Old Town direction will either have to go through the Regents Circus "shared space" or cut through Eastcott at various places (joining traffic from parts of West Swindon). Another nail in the coffin of the town centre (it doesn't matter how many nice shiny buildings you have no one will want them if people don't go into the town centre anymore). Al Smith
  • Score: 27

2:34pm Thu 31 Jul 14

rog-wal says...

no, no, no.
the town is so anticar at the moment changing the layout to make the driving in from South/East difficult, and that stupid mini roundabout idea at Halfords is a last minute idea for the vehicles wanting to go up Princes St.
I travel in once a month on Saturday morning at 8am to get a hair cut. i will not go there shopping during normal shopping/office hours as the transport in is stupid. I'd prefer to drive to Cribbs Causeway and drive straight in and back out and park free rather than Swindon Town Centre.

I admire the efforts of the council to try and smarten the centre up, but you must not continue making it harder for private vehicles to travel in. With a family of 5 a bus ticket would cost over £10, yet i can park for £1 ish per hour - i cannot afford to take public transport.

For the timebeing i too will steer towards out of town centres like the Orbital and Greenbridge which unfortunately means the small shop owner will suffer.

Make the town more driver friendlyandi am sure you will see a surge in customers.
no, no, no. the town is so anticar at the moment changing the layout to make the driving in from South/East difficult, and that stupid mini roundabout idea at Halfords is a last minute idea for the vehicles wanting to go up Princes St. I travel in once a month on Saturday morning at 8am to get a hair cut. i will not go there shopping during normal shopping/office hours as the transport in is stupid. I'd prefer to drive to Cribbs Causeway and drive straight in and back out and park free rather than Swindon Town Centre. I admire the efforts of the council to try and smarten the centre up, but you must not continue making it harder for private vehicles to travel in. With a family of 5 a bus ticket would cost over £10, yet i can park for £1 ish per hour - i cannot afford to take public transport. For the timebeing i too will steer towards out of town centres like the Orbital and Greenbridge which unfortunately means the small shop owner will suffer. Make the town more driver friendlyandi am sure you will see a surge in customers. rog-wal
  • Score: 24

2:41pm Thu 31 Jul 14

TheBlackHand says...

Good news for empty buses
Good news for empty buses TheBlackHand
  • Score: 14

2:51pm Thu 31 Jul 14

A.Baron-Cohen says...

This is great news for those living in the town centre, it will certainly help with air quality and noise levels.
However I am not sure this will be very good news for workers and out of town centre shoppers.
From what I have experienced, travelling near or through town centre is turning into a nightmare....as bad as Oxford.
Fortunately, access to the M4 is great so it is very easy and quick to drive to Reading or Bristol rather than waste time reaching STC.
This is great news for those living in the town centre, it will certainly help with air quality and noise levels. However I am not sure this will be very good news for workers and out of town centre shoppers. From what I have experienced, travelling near or through town centre is turning into a nightmare....as bad as Oxford. Fortunately, access to the M4 is great so it is very easy and quick to drive to Reading or Bristol rather than waste time reaching STC. A.Baron-Cohen
  • Score: 9

3:03pm Thu 31 Jul 14

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

rog-wal wrote:
no, no, no.
the town is so anticar at the moment changing the layout to make the driving in from South/East difficult, and that stupid mini roundabout idea at Halfords is a last minute idea for the vehicles wanting to go up Princes St.
I travel in once a month on Saturday morning at 8am to get a hair cut. i will not go there shopping during normal shopping/office hours as the transport in is stupid. I'd prefer to drive to Cribbs Causeway and drive straight in and back out and park free rather than Swindon Town Centre.

I admire the efforts of the council to try and smarten the centre up, but you must not continue making it harder for private vehicles to travel in. With a family of 5 a bus ticket would cost over £10, yet i can park for £1 ish per hour - i cannot afford to take public transport.

For the timebeing i too will steer towards out of town centres like the Orbital and Greenbridge which unfortunately means the small shop owner will suffer.

Make the town more driver friendlyandi am sure you will see a surge in customers.
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but a family day rider (allowing you use of the buses in Swindon all day for up to 2 adults and 3 children) is £6.70, or £5 at weekends - not "over £10". It easily costs that much in fuel and parking costs to do the same thing in the car.
[quote][p][bold]rog-wal[/bold] wrote: no, no, no. the town is so anticar at the moment changing the layout to make the driving in from South/East difficult, and that stupid mini roundabout idea at Halfords is a last minute idea for the vehicles wanting to go up Princes St. I travel in once a month on Saturday morning at 8am to get a hair cut. i will not go there shopping during normal shopping/office hours as the transport in is stupid. I'd prefer to drive to Cribbs Causeway and drive straight in and back out and park free rather than Swindon Town Centre. I admire the efforts of the council to try and smarten the centre up, but you must not continue making it harder for private vehicles to travel in. With a family of 5 a bus ticket would cost over £10, yet i can park for £1 ish per hour - i cannot afford to take public transport. For the timebeing i too will steer towards out of town centres like the Orbital and Greenbridge which unfortunately means the small shop owner will suffer. Make the town more driver friendlyandi am sure you will see a surge in customers.[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with the sentiment, but a family day rider (allowing you use of the buses in Swindon all day for up to 2 adults and 3 children) is £6.70, or £5 at weekends - not "over £10". It easily costs that much in fuel and parking costs to do the same thing in the car. The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
  • Score: -6

3:17pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Bonerp says...

Another great idea by this useless council.
Another great idea by this useless council. Bonerp
  • Score: 8

3:27pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Bonerp says...

Getting around swindon on buses is frankly a joke. The bus station is an embarrassment and even thamesdown transport don't make it easy to buy tickets.... Used to be able to top up cards on the bus then buy a travel pass. Not anymore. Apparently some drivers were having problems working out how to do this for goodness sake. Either that or they simply couldn't understand being foreign. Town is turning into a bigger joke than it ever was.
Council sells off all the sports facilities and bugger up everything else they touch.
I'd stand for election to change it but what's the point, unless you join the corrupt ranks of the council I'd never get anywhere. Even the town planner lives in Reading and rides a bike! Did people of the town know we were paying his taxi fares to and from swindon/his home in Reading due to a cut finger.... Should be ashamed of the cash wasted here.
Getting around swindon on buses is frankly a joke. The bus station is an embarrassment and even thamesdown transport don't make it easy to buy tickets.... Used to be able to top up cards on the bus then buy a travel pass. Not anymore. Apparently some drivers were having problems working out how to do this for goodness sake. Either that or they simply couldn't understand being foreign. Town is turning into a bigger joke than it ever was. Council sells off all the sports facilities and bugger up everything else they touch. I'd stand for election to change it but what's the point, unless you join the corrupt ranks of the council I'd never get anywhere. Even the town planner lives in Reading and rides a bike! Did people of the town know we were paying his taxi fares to and from swindon/his home in Reading due to a cut finger.... Should be ashamed of the cash wasted here. Bonerp
  • Score: 25

3:31pm Thu 31 Jul 14

rog-wal says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
rog-wal wrote:
no, no, no.
the town is so anticar at the moment changing the layout to make the driving in from South/East difficult, and that stupid mini roundabout idea at Halfords is a last minute idea for the vehicles wanting to go up Princes St.
I travel in once a month on Saturday morning at 8am to get a hair cut. i will not go there shopping during normal shopping/office hours as the transport in is stupid. I'd prefer to drive to Cribbs Causeway and drive straight in and back out and park free rather than Swindon Town Centre.

I admire the efforts of the council to try and smarten the centre up, but you must not continue making it harder for private vehicles to travel in. With a family of 5 a bus ticket would cost over £10, yet i can park for £1 ish per hour - i cannot afford to take public transport.

For the timebeing i too will steer towards out of town centres like the Orbital and Greenbridge which unfortunately means the small shop owner will suffer.

Make the town more driver friendlyandi am sure you will see a surge in customers.
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but a family day rider (allowing you use of the buses in Swindon all day for up to 2 adults and 3 children) is £6.70, or £5 at weekends - not "over £10". It easily costs that much in fuel and parking costs to do the same thing in the car.
okay - admit the £10 might have been a bit on the high side. i live in stratton - on a reasonable bus route - if it was just me i'd consider the bus. but trying to get 3 kids (1 in pushchair) and shopping on/off bus fills me with dread. Even with our "bus" which only does 20mpg, and 2 hours parking, it'll cost me £2 in fuel and £3 in parking and i get to sit in comfort with a guaranteed seat and no smelly oikes other than our dog. yes it'll take me 10-30 mins longer if i'm sat in a queue if i decide to try and venture in on a saturday afternoon but for a family far less stressful. hence why out of town is easier for us.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rog-wal[/bold] wrote: no, no, no. the town is so anticar at the moment changing the layout to make the driving in from South/East difficult, and that stupid mini roundabout idea at Halfords is a last minute idea for the vehicles wanting to go up Princes St. I travel in once a month on Saturday morning at 8am to get a hair cut. i will not go there shopping during normal shopping/office hours as the transport in is stupid. I'd prefer to drive to Cribbs Causeway and drive straight in and back out and park free rather than Swindon Town Centre. I admire the efforts of the council to try and smarten the centre up, but you must not continue making it harder for private vehicles to travel in. With a family of 5 a bus ticket would cost over £10, yet i can park for £1 ish per hour - i cannot afford to take public transport. For the timebeing i too will steer towards out of town centres like the Orbital and Greenbridge which unfortunately means the small shop owner will suffer. Make the town more driver friendlyandi am sure you will see a surge in customers.[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with the sentiment, but a family day rider (allowing you use of the buses in Swindon all day for up to 2 adults and 3 children) is £6.70, or £5 at weekends - not "over £10". It easily costs that much in fuel and parking costs to do the same thing in the car.[/p][/quote]okay - admit the £10 might have been a bit on the high side. i live in stratton - on a reasonable bus route - if it was just me i'd consider the bus. but trying to get 3 kids (1 in pushchair) and shopping on/off bus fills me with dread. Even with our "bus" which only does 20mpg, and 2 hours parking, it'll cost me £2 in fuel and £3 in parking and i get to sit in comfort with a guaranteed seat and no smelly oikes other than our dog. yes it'll take me 10-30 mins longer if i'm sat in a queue if i decide to try and venture in on a saturday afternoon but for a family far less stressful. hence why out of town is easier for us. rog-wal
  • Score: 11

3:42pm Thu 31 Jul 14

BCDR99 says...

Is there an overall transport strategy for the town that we, the great unwashed, can see and read?

These sort of things are great ideas. Making it easier for public transport to move around the area and provision of facilities for cycling and walking instead of driving everywhere is a step forward. But you can't do these sort of things in isolated pockets. There needs to be a clear, long-term plan to change the way people move around the town. Without that, all of these little schemes here and there are going to achieve the square root of nothing.
Is there an overall transport strategy for the town that we, the great unwashed, can see and read? These sort of things are great ideas. Making it easier for public transport to move around the area and provision of facilities for cycling and walking instead of driving everywhere is a step forward. But you can't do these sort of things in isolated pockets. There needs to be a clear, long-term plan to change the way people move around the town. Without that, all of these little schemes here and there are going to achieve the square root of nothing. BCDR99
  • Score: 5

3:45pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Wildwestener says...

swindon4689 wrote:
Get a life you lot, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Don't you get bored of it? If you had a problem you should have objected, this has been being planned for months and months.

Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.

Kn*bs.
And we have a winner in the Charmer of the Week competition.
[quote][p][bold]swindon4689[/bold] wrote: Get a life you lot, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Don't you get bored of it? If you had a problem you should have objected, this has been being planned for months and months. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't. Kn*bs.[/p][/quote]And we have a winner in the Charmer of the Week competition. Wildwestener
  • Score: 7

3:53pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Bonerp says...

Wildwestener wrote:
swindon4689 wrote:
Get a life you lot, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Don't you get bored of it? If you had a problem you should have objected, this has been being planned for months and months.

Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.

Kn*bs.
And we have a winner in the Charmer of the Week competition.
Such intelligence
[quote][p][bold]Wildwestener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindon4689[/bold] wrote: Get a life you lot, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Don't you get bored of it? If you had a problem you should have objected, this has been being planned for months and months. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't. Kn*bs.[/p][/quote]And we have a winner in the Charmer of the Week competition.[/p][/quote]Such intelligence Bonerp
  • Score: -1

4:36pm Thu 31 Jul 14

house on the hill says...

Dickdock wrote:
Brilliant news
This will we be a well needed boost to the town centre, it will get rid of all the congestion around town.
It's a well thought through scheme, that will bring all the retailers such as next to flock to the town to open up new stores.
The best thing any town centre can do is discourage shoppers to travel to the town centre by car,
OH wait a minute that is what they have been doing.

What a joke, the town centre is falling apart around them but they continue with the same old plan, when are you going to talk to the people, not just the people that use the busses and shop in pound land

Next close their store this week, has anybody asked why?
Because they have a bigger and better store at the Orbital with free parking right next to it maybe?
[quote][p][bold]Dickdock[/bold] wrote: Brilliant news This will we be a well needed boost to the town centre, it will get rid of all the congestion around town. It's a well thought through scheme, that will bring all the retailers such as next to flock to the town to open up new stores. The best thing any town centre can do is discourage shoppers to travel to the town centre by car, OH wait a minute that is what they have been doing. What a joke, the town centre is falling apart around them but they continue with the same old plan, when are you going to talk to the people, not just the people that use the busses and shop in pound land Next close their store this week, has anybody asked why?[/p][/quote]Because they have a bigger and better store at the Orbital with free parking right next to it maybe? house on the hill
  • Score: 13

5:13pm Thu 31 Jul 14

beach1e says...

yet another coffin in the nail of the town centre.. i think the only plan this council has that seems to be working is how to drive people away from the town centre..it is working . well done. people arent going to start using the stinking buses of swindon just because the town centre has become even more difficult to get to...they do what i do...get in their cars and go to far nicer town centres that are easy to get to and have a much nicer experience. the town centre here is really only for scroungers.
yet another coffin in the nail of the town centre.. i think the only plan this council has that seems to be working is how to drive people away from the town centre..it is working . well done. people arent going to start using the stinking buses of swindon just because the town centre has become even more difficult to get to...they do what i do...get in their cars and go to far nicer town centres that are easy to get to and have a much nicer experience. the town centre here is really only for scroungers. beach1e
  • Score: 20

6:01pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Moth says...

Of course, it's going to be buses only. No surprise there as SBC OWNS Thamesdown Transport and they want to maximise the profits.

Add to that a chief road planning officer who can't even drive and hates cars and you find the roads, which are meant for vehicles, which if the powers-that-be don't know it include cars, lorries, buses, motorbikes, bicycles, suddenly become no-go areas for everything except buses.

I wonder why the rest of us pay road tax (or whatever it's called these days) because we can't USE the roads we pay HANDSOMELY for, both through road tax and that other rip-off, council tax.

As for the buses being given priority over everything else on the road. I had the misfortune to have to use the bus a few weeks ago. It was a nightmare. It was a very hot day but no air-conditioning on the bus, only tiny windows that didn't even let a slight draught in. I felt really sorry for anyone with chest or heart complaints. I'm healthy and I found it quite difficult to breathe. Shocking in this day and age.

Then there's the cost of the fares. EXTORTIONATE! A poor bus service with poorly designed buses, that's expensive yet Thamesdown keep cutting the service around Swindon. Why bother. Half the time the buses don't turn up anyway.

Well, no doubt SBC will be bleating at Christmas that people are ignoring the town centre and shopping elsewhere, either in the out-of-town retail parks or in Bristol or Gloucester where there is CHOICE and motorists aren't treated like modern day lepers.

Keep going with our stupidity SBC. You're doing a very good job of turning Swindon into even more of a ghost town than it is now.
Of course, it's going to be buses only. No surprise there as SBC OWNS Thamesdown Transport and they want to maximise the profits. Add to that a chief road planning officer who can't even drive and hates cars and you find the roads, which are meant for vehicles, which if the powers-that-be don't know it include cars, lorries, buses, motorbikes, bicycles, suddenly become no-go areas for everything except buses. I wonder why the rest of us pay road tax (or whatever it's called these days) because we can't USE the roads we pay HANDSOMELY for, both through road tax and that other rip-off, council tax. As for the buses being given priority over everything else on the road. I had the misfortune to have to use the bus a few weeks ago. It was a nightmare. It was a very hot day but no air-conditioning on the bus, only tiny windows that didn't even let a slight draught in. I felt really sorry for anyone with chest or heart complaints. I'm healthy and I found it quite difficult to breathe. Shocking in this day and age. Then there's the cost of the fares. EXTORTIONATE! A poor bus service with poorly designed buses, that's expensive yet Thamesdown keep cutting the service around Swindon. Why bother. Half the time the buses don't turn up anyway. Well, no doubt SBC will be bleating at Christmas that people are ignoring the town centre and shopping elsewhere, either in the out-of-town retail parks or in Bristol or Gloucester where there is CHOICE and motorists aren't treated like modern day lepers. Keep going with our stupidity SBC. You're doing a very good job of turning Swindon into even more of a ghost town than it is now. Moth
  • Score: 22

6:59pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

swindon4689 wrote:
Get a life you lot, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Don't you get bored of it? If you had a problem you should have objected, this has been being planned for months and months.

Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.

Kn*bs.
Spot the regular Tory Councillor Troll with yet another login.
Just how many logins does one councillor need for a pointless crusade of corrupting a local paper reader's comment section???

Did you not realise that yours is the only pro-council/developm
ent comment???

Surely even a politico such blinkered views should realise that this is yet another example of stupid arrogant SWINDON BOROUGH CLOWSKOOL strikes again.

and to think he insisted it would get better when I left 🙊
[quote][p][bold]swindon4689[/bold] wrote: Get a life you lot, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Don't you get bored of it? If you had a problem you should have objected, this has been being planned for months and months. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't. Kn*bs.[/p][/quote]Spot the regular Tory Councillor Troll with yet another login. Just how many logins does one councillor need for a pointless crusade of corrupting a local paper reader's comment section??? Did you not realise that yours is the only pro-council/developm ent comment??? Surely even a politico such blinkered views should realise that this is yet another example of stupid arrogant SWINDON BOROUGH CLOWSKOOL strikes again. and to think he insisted it would get better when I left 🙊 Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 16

7:20pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
swindon4689 wrote:
Get a life you lot, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Don't you get bored of it? If you had a problem you should have objected, this has been being planned for months and months.

Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.

Kn*bs.
Spot the regular Tory Councillor Troll with yet another login.
Just how many logins does one councillor need for a pointless crusade of corrupting a local paper reader's comment section???

Did you not realise that yours is the only pro-council/developm

ent comment???

Surely even a politico such blinkered views should realise that this is yet another example of stupid arrogant SWINDON BOROUGH CLOWSKOOL strikes again.

and to think he insisted it would get better when I left 🙊
Names, Names, Names or allude to names?
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindon4689[/bold] wrote: Get a life you lot, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Don't you get bored of it? If you had a problem you should have objected, this has been being planned for months and months. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't. Kn*bs.[/p][/quote]Spot the regular Tory Councillor Troll with yet another login. Just how many logins does one councillor need for a pointless crusade of corrupting a local paper reader's comment section??? Did you not realise that yours is the only pro-council/developm ent comment??? Surely even a politico such blinkered views should realise that this is yet another example of stupid arrogant SWINDON BOROUGH CLOWSKOOL strikes again. and to think he insisted it would get better when I left 🙊[/p][/quote]Names, Names, Names or allude to names? Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -4

7:47pm Thu 31 Jul 14

teejay613 says...

I'm confused, how will we get from Halfords into Town if they close Flemming Way? The system doesn't work now, it is the one time I miss a roundabout.
I'm confused, how will we get from Halfords into Town if they close Flemming Way? The system doesn't work now, it is the one time I miss a roundabout. teejay613
  • Score: 8

7:59pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Hmmmf says...

BCDR99 wrote:
Is there an overall transport strategy for the town that we, the great unwashed, can see and read?

You could start here: http://goo.gl/8Mw2zv

Or google "Shared space(LTN 1/11)"
There are national-level strategies arising out of and cascading down from 'Sustainable Development' (UN Agenda 21, chapter 7). The general thrust is increasinly towards 'shared space', reduced private ownership and use of motor vehicles, increased use of public transport and 'green' transport (eg cycling). That's why there are so many initiatives like 'Sustrans' around, and why western governments are eyeing developments in driverless cars with interest.

SBC has made itself perfectly clear here: http://goo.gl/mczB06 with its "Swindon Travel Choices" plan which bagged £4.4 million of taxpayer's money for the scheme.
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: Is there an overall transport strategy for the town that we, the great unwashed, can see and read?[/quote] You could start here: http://goo.gl/8Mw2zv Or google "Shared space(LTN 1/11)" There are national-level strategies arising out of and cascading down from 'Sustainable Development' (UN Agenda 21, chapter 7). The general thrust is increasinly towards 'shared space', reduced private ownership and use of motor vehicles, increased use of public transport and 'green' transport (eg cycling). That's why there are so many initiatives like 'Sustrans' around, and why western governments are eyeing developments in driverless cars with interest. SBC has made itself perfectly clear here: http://goo.gl/mczB06 with its "Swindon Travel Choices" plan which bagged £4.4 million of taxpayer's money for the scheme. Hmmmf
  • Score: 2

8:01pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Dickdock says...

house on the hill wrote:
Dickdock wrote:
Brilliant news
This will we be a well needed boost to the town centre, it will get rid of all the congestion around town.
It's a well thought through scheme, that will bring all the retailers such as next to flock to the town to open up new stores.
The best thing any town centre can do is discourage shoppers to travel to the town centre by car,
OH wait a minute that is what they have been doing.

What a joke, the town centre is falling apart around them but they continue with the same old plan, when are you going to talk to the people, not just the people that use the busses and shop in pound land

Next close their store this week, has anybody asked why?
Because they have a bigger and better store at the Orbital with free parking right next to it maybe?
Exactly
M&S
Top shop
Top man
Dorothy Perkins
Boots,
A sports shop,
Travel agents
All have shops in Orbital,
Take these away from the town centre and what are you left with?
The car drivers go to the orbital, and the bus people go to the town centre.
So have SBC or not forward swindon thought this through
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dickdock[/bold] wrote: Brilliant news This will we be a well needed boost to the town centre, it will get rid of all the congestion around town. It's a well thought through scheme, that will bring all the retailers such as next to flock to the town to open up new stores. The best thing any town centre can do is discourage shoppers to travel to the town centre by car, OH wait a minute that is what they have been doing. What a joke, the town centre is falling apart around them but they continue with the same old plan, when are you going to talk to the people, not just the people that use the busses and shop in pound land Next close their store this week, has anybody asked why?[/p][/quote]Because they have a bigger and better store at the Orbital with free parking right next to it maybe?[/p][/quote]Exactly M&S Top shop Top man Dorothy Perkins Boots, A sports shop, Travel agents All have shops in Orbital, Take these away from the town centre and what are you left with? The car drivers go to the orbital, and the bus people go to the town centre. So have SBC or not forward swindon thought this through Dickdock
  • Score: 7

8:08pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

It really is quite pathetic
It really is quite pathetic Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 5

9:02pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Ollie Dognacky says...

Hi Badger.
Names, Names, Names or allude to names?
Oh you know.
North Swindon, Priory Vale, Haydon Wick.
A particular "circle of friends" that like to set up "forums" so that they can influence things
Hi Badger. Names, Names, Names or allude to names? Oh you know. North Swindon, Priory Vale, Haydon Wick. A particular "circle of friends" that like to set up "forums" so that they can influence things Ollie Dognacky
  • Score: 14

10:09pm Thu 31 Jul 14

John~R says...

I wonder if SBC thought about the implications of discouraging traffic from going into the town centre on the need for that new car park. Soon they will discover that the usage (and revenue) isn't enough (the electricity bill for all those lights must be quite substantial) so they will either increase the parking charge or cost other services in order to balance the books.
I wonder if SBC thought about the implications of discouraging traffic from going into the town centre on the need for that new car park. Soon they will discover that the usage (and revenue) isn't enough (the electricity bill for all those lights must be quite substantial) so they will either increase the parking charge or cost other services in order to balance the books. John~R
  • Score: 6

10:17pm Thu 31 Jul 14

roberto5 says...

Dickdock wrote:
house on the hill wrote:
Dickdock wrote:
Brilliant news
This will we be a well needed boost to the town centre, it will get rid of all the congestion around town.
It's a well thought through scheme, that will bring all the retailers such as next to flock to the town to open up new stores.
The best thing any town centre can do is discourage shoppers to travel to the town centre by car,
OH wait a minute that is what they have been doing.

What a joke, the town centre is falling apart around them but they continue with the same old plan, when are you going to talk to the people, not just the people that use the busses and shop in pound land

Next close their store this week, has anybody asked why?
Because they have a bigger and better store at the Orbital with free parking right next to it maybe?
Exactly
M&S
Top shop
Top man
Dorothy Perkins
Boots,
A sports shop,
Travel agents
All have shops in Orbital,
Take these away from the town centre and what are you left with?
The car drivers go to the orbital, and the bus people go to the town centre.
So have SBC or not forward swindon thought this through
What about residents who live in walking distance of the town centre, who have a car but don't want to drive to the orbital? Do they still need a decent range of shops?
[quote][p][bold]Dickdock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dickdock[/bold] wrote: Brilliant news This will we be a well needed boost to the town centre, it will get rid of all the congestion around town. It's a well thought through scheme, that will bring all the retailers such as next to flock to the town to open up new stores. The best thing any town centre can do is discourage shoppers to travel to the town centre by car, OH wait a minute that is what they have been doing. What a joke, the town centre is falling apart around them but they continue with the same old plan, when are you going to talk to the people, not just the people that use the busses and shop in pound land Next close their store this week, has anybody asked why?[/p][/quote]Because they have a bigger and better store at the Orbital with free parking right next to it maybe?[/p][/quote]Exactly M&S Top shop Top man Dorothy Perkins Boots, A sports shop, Travel agents All have shops in Orbital, Take these away from the town centre and what are you left with? The car drivers go to the orbital, and the bus people go to the town centre. So have SBC or not forward swindon thought this through[/p][/quote]What about residents who live in walking distance of the town centre, who have a car but don't want to drive to the orbital? Do they still need a decent range of shops? roberto5
  • Score: 0

11:49pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Eastern Badger says...

No consultation - as others have said - no business was consulted - we all need to move out if town to show what it's worth. Too true about the car park reached from Princess Street by a series of dangerous manoeuvres among confused motorists and pedestrians - please consider redeploying those designing these bizarre road layouts? The latest 'nobody has a clue' crossing at Regent Circus will kill someone.
No consultation - as others have said - no business was consulted - we all need to move out if town to show what it's worth. Too true about the car park reached from Princess Street by a series of dangerous manoeuvres among confused motorists and pedestrians - please consider redeploying those designing these bizarre road layouts? The latest 'nobody has a clue' crossing at Regent Circus will kill someone. Eastern Badger
  • Score: 7

9:14am Fri 1 Aug 14

BCDR99 says...

Quote: "Add to that a chief road planning officer who can't even drive and hates cars"

That, in itself, isn't actually a bad thing. We need to change the focus from "how CARS get around town" to "how PEOPLE get around town." That is the aim that needs achieving. We can't keep jumping in our cars for short journeys all the time. And we can't keep clogging up towns and cities with people (who take up a couple of square feet when they are on foot) taking up the space that a car does. The basic maths of it show what will happen.
Quote: "Add to that a chief road planning officer who can't even drive and hates cars" That, in itself, isn't actually a bad thing. We need to change the focus from "how CARS get around town" to "how PEOPLE get around town." That is the aim that needs achieving. We can't keep jumping in our cars for short journeys all the time. And we can't keep clogging up towns and cities with people (who take up a couple of square feet when they are on foot) taking up the space that a car does. The basic maths of it show what will happen. BCDR99
  • Score: -11

9:26am Fri 1 Aug 14

BCDR99 says...

Hmmmf wrote:
BCDR99 wrote:
Is there an overall transport strategy for the town that we, the great unwashed, can see and read?

You could start here: http://goo.gl/8Mw2zv


Or google "Shared space(LTN 1/11)"
There are national-level strategies arising out of and cascading down from 'Sustainable Development' (UN Agenda 21, chapter 7). The general thrust is increasinly towards 'shared space', reduced private ownership and use of motor vehicles, increased use of public transport and 'green' transport (eg cycling). That's why there are so many initiatives like 'Sustrans' around, and why western governments are eyeing developments in driverless cars with interest.

SBC has made itself perfectly clear here: http://goo.gl/mczB06 with its "Swindon Travel Choices" plan which bagged £4.4 million of taxpayer's money for the scheme.
Hmmmm, not exactly a strategic plan is it? And they've wasted the three-quarters of a million on the Western Flyer on resurfacing the bit that was OK, coming up with a logo, bunging some expensive signs up and putting posts with reflectors on around lampposts, so you can see them in the dark (think about it...)

Saying "We'd like people to use sustainable modes of transport more" is not a plan, it's a wishing well thought.
[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: Is there an overall transport strategy for the town that we, the great unwashed, can see and read?[/quote] You could start here: http://goo.gl/8Mw2zv Or google "Shared space(LTN 1/11)" There are national-level strategies arising out of and cascading down from 'Sustainable Development' (UN Agenda 21, chapter 7). The general thrust is increasinly towards 'shared space', reduced private ownership and use of motor vehicles, increased use of public transport and 'green' transport (eg cycling). That's why there are so many initiatives like 'Sustrans' around, and why western governments are eyeing developments in driverless cars with interest. SBC has made itself perfectly clear here: http://goo.gl/mczB06 with its "Swindon Travel Choices" plan which bagged £4.4 million of taxpayer's money for the scheme.[/p][/quote]Hmmmm, not exactly a strategic plan is it? And they've wasted the three-quarters of a million on the Western Flyer on resurfacing the bit that was OK, coming up with a logo, bunging some expensive signs up and putting posts with reflectors on around lampposts, so you can see them in the dark (think about it...) Saying "We'd like people to use sustainable modes of transport more" is not a plan, it's a wishing well thought. BCDR99
  • Score: 4

10:07am Fri 1 Aug 14

GrumpyLocal says...

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
rog-wal wrote:
no, no, no.
the town is so anticar at the moment changing the layout to make the driving in from South/East difficult, and that stupid mini roundabout idea at Halfords is a last minute idea for the vehicles wanting to go up Princes St.
I travel in once a month on Saturday morning at 8am to get a hair cut. i will not go there shopping during normal shopping/office hours as the transport in is stupid. I'd prefer to drive to Cribbs Causeway and drive straight in and back out and park free rather than Swindon Town Centre.

I admire the efforts of the council to try and smarten the centre up, but you must not continue making it harder for private vehicles to travel in. With a family of 5 a bus ticket would cost over £10, yet i can park for £1 ish per hour - i cannot afford to take public transport.

For the timebeing i too will steer towards out of town centres like the Orbital and Greenbridge which unfortunately means the small shop owner will suffer.

Make the town more driver friendlyandi am sure you will see a surge in customers.
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but a family day rider (allowing you use of the buses in Swindon all day for up to 2 adults and 3 children) is £6.70, or £5 at weekends - not "over £10". It easily costs that much in fuel and parking costs to do the same thing in the car.
And obviously using the bus is really easy with three kids and a load of shopping to carry home after a day of shopping. Buses do not give anyone the same flexibility as a private car.
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rog-wal[/bold] wrote: no, no, no. the town is so anticar at the moment changing the layout to make the driving in from South/East difficult, and that stupid mini roundabout idea at Halfords is a last minute idea for the vehicles wanting to go up Princes St. I travel in once a month on Saturday morning at 8am to get a hair cut. i will not go there shopping during normal shopping/office hours as the transport in is stupid. I'd prefer to drive to Cribbs Causeway and drive straight in and back out and park free rather than Swindon Town Centre. I admire the efforts of the council to try and smarten the centre up, but you must not continue making it harder for private vehicles to travel in. With a family of 5 a bus ticket would cost over £10, yet i can park for £1 ish per hour - i cannot afford to take public transport. For the timebeing i too will steer towards out of town centres like the Orbital and Greenbridge which unfortunately means the small shop owner will suffer. Make the town more driver friendlyandi am sure you will see a surge in customers.[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with the sentiment, but a family day rider (allowing you use of the buses in Swindon all day for up to 2 adults and 3 children) is £6.70, or £5 at weekends - not "over £10". It easily costs that much in fuel and parking costs to do the same thing in the car.[/p][/quote]And obviously using the bus is really easy with three kids and a load of shopping to carry home after a day of shopping. Buses do not give anyone the same flexibility as a private car. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 4

11:10am Fri 1 Aug 14

GrumpyLocal says...

So what the council are planning is making getting into the town centre (beyond the new car park on Princess St) from the east, south or north near enough impossible.
Groundwell Road now feeds into the travesty that is the Regent Circus development. Flemming Way is now only going to feed more traffic up to the Regent Circus death trap & both of the roads will have to funnel traffic wanting to get to the town centre down Crombie St which is already a nightmare.
Traffic coming in from Gorse Hill will have to either perform a U-Turn at the Magic Roundabout to use Manchester road or join in with the traffic going up to Regent Circus. They could also go down Great Western way and use White House Bridges but this has always been a hideous gridlock area.
Traffic coming in from the south currently comes in on Queens Drive (from the motorway) which once again joins Flemming Way or goes up Drove Rd to access Groundwell Rd. It could redirect at the magic Roundabout & use Manchester Rd but that again will already be full from the drivers coming in from the north & east.

A sensible alteration to the appalling junction at Whale Bridge could allow traffic to leave Flemming Way and turn on to Corporation St, allowing them to get to Milford St and, in turn, Holbrook St again but that might be far too sensible for the council. It would also impact on the traffic coming through White House Bridges and from Manchester Rd trying to do the same.

The gridlock this whole scheme will cause will probably mean the council will create more bus lanes, because the buses are getting stuck in the same traffic) and the situation will spiral onwards and onwards. All the time of course, the shops and businesses in the town centre will continue to suffer as the greater public decide that using the town centre is just not worth the hassle.
This will be a good thing for the council though as they will see a drop in the number of cars using the roads and deem everything to have been a huge success.

PATHETIC.
So what the council are planning is making getting into the town centre (beyond the new car park on Princess St) from the east, south or north near enough impossible. Groundwell Road now feeds into the travesty that is the Regent Circus development. Flemming Way is now only going to feed more traffic up to the Regent Circus death trap & both of the roads will have to funnel traffic wanting to get to the town centre down Crombie St which is already a nightmare. Traffic coming in from Gorse Hill will have to either perform a U-Turn at the Magic Roundabout to use Manchester road or join in with the traffic going up to Regent Circus. They could also go down Great Western way and use White House Bridges but this has always been a hideous gridlock area. Traffic coming in from the south currently comes in on Queens Drive (from the motorway) which once again joins Flemming Way or goes up Drove Rd to access Groundwell Rd. It could redirect at the magic Roundabout & use Manchester Rd but that again will already be full from the drivers coming in from the north & east. A sensible alteration to the appalling junction at Whale Bridge could allow traffic to leave Flemming Way and turn on to Corporation St, allowing them to get to Milford St and, in turn, Holbrook St again but that might be far too sensible for the council. It would also impact on the traffic coming through White House Bridges and from Manchester Rd trying to do the same. The gridlock this whole scheme will cause will probably mean the council will create more bus lanes, because the buses are getting stuck in the same traffic) and the situation will spiral onwards and onwards. All the time of course, the shops and businesses in the town centre will continue to suffer as the greater public decide that using the town centre is just not worth the hassle. This will be a good thing for the council though as they will see a drop in the number of cars using the roads and deem everything to have been a huge success. PATHETIC. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 9

11:21am Fri 1 Aug 14

Dickdock says...

GrumpyLocal wrote:
So what the council are planning is making getting into the town centre (beyond the new car park on Princess St) from the east, south or north near enough impossible.
Groundwell Road now feeds into the travesty that is the Regent Circus development. Flemming Way is now only going to feed more traffic up to the Regent Circus death trap & both of the roads will have to funnel traffic wanting to get to the town centre down Crombie St which is already a nightmare.
Traffic coming in from Gorse Hill will have to either perform a U-Turn at the Magic Roundabout to use Manchester road or join in with the traffic going up to Regent Circus. They could also go down Great Western way and use White House Bridges but this has always been a hideous gridlock area.
Traffic coming in from the south currently comes in on Queens Drive (from the motorway) which once again joins Flemming Way or goes up Drove Rd to access Groundwell Rd. It could redirect at the magic Roundabout & use Manchester Rd but that again will already be full from the drivers coming in from the north & east.

A sensible alteration to the appalling junction at Whale Bridge could allow traffic to leave Flemming Way and turn on to Corporation St, allowing them to get to Milford St and, in turn, Holbrook St again but that might be far too sensible for the council. It would also impact on the traffic coming through White House Bridges and from Manchester Rd trying to do the same.

The gridlock this whole scheme will cause will probably mean the council will create more bus lanes, because the buses are getting stuck in the same traffic) and the situation will spiral onwards and onwards. All the time of course, the shops and businesses in the town centre will continue to suffer as the greater public decide that using the town centre is just not worth the hassle.
This will be a good thing for the council though as they will see a drop in the number of cars using the roads and deem everything to have been a huge success.

PATHETIC.
You are over thinking this, there will be no gridlock,
Simply because, as is already happening, people won't use the town centre.
[quote][p][bold]GrumpyLocal[/bold] wrote: So what the council are planning is making getting into the town centre (beyond the new car park on Princess St) from the east, south or north near enough impossible. Groundwell Road now feeds into the travesty that is the Regent Circus development. Flemming Way is now only going to feed more traffic up to the Regent Circus death trap & both of the roads will have to funnel traffic wanting to get to the town centre down Crombie St which is already a nightmare. Traffic coming in from Gorse Hill will have to either perform a U-Turn at the Magic Roundabout to use Manchester road or join in with the traffic going up to Regent Circus. They could also go down Great Western way and use White House Bridges but this has always been a hideous gridlock area. Traffic coming in from the south currently comes in on Queens Drive (from the motorway) which once again joins Flemming Way or goes up Drove Rd to access Groundwell Rd. It could redirect at the magic Roundabout & use Manchester Rd but that again will already be full from the drivers coming in from the north & east. A sensible alteration to the appalling junction at Whale Bridge could allow traffic to leave Flemming Way and turn on to Corporation St, allowing them to get to Milford St and, in turn, Holbrook St again but that might be far too sensible for the council. It would also impact on the traffic coming through White House Bridges and from Manchester Rd trying to do the same. The gridlock this whole scheme will cause will probably mean the council will create more bus lanes, because the buses are getting stuck in the same traffic) and the situation will spiral onwards and onwards. All the time of course, the shops and businesses in the town centre will continue to suffer as the greater public decide that using the town centre is just not worth the hassle. This will be a good thing for the council though as they will see a drop in the number of cars using the roads and deem everything to have been a huge success. PATHETIC.[/p][/quote]You are over thinking this, there will be no gridlock, Simply because, as is already happening, people won't use the town centre. Dickdock
  • Score: 6

11:50am Fri 1 Aug 14

Moth says...

BCDR99 wrote:
Quote: "Add to that a chief road planning officer who can't even drive and hates cars" That, in itself, isn't actually a bad thing. We need to change the focus from "how CARS get around town" to "how PEOPLE get around town." That is the aim that needs achieving. We can't keep jumping in our cars for short journeys all the time. And we can't keep clogging up towns and cities with people (who take up a couple of square feet when they are on foot) taking up the space that a car does. The basic maths of it show what will happen.
No. Someone who can't drive should not be in charge of road planning. The mere fact that they can't drive but have admitted to hating cars means that this person will discriminate against car drivers.

Walking in town is fine if you actually live in the town centre or close by but if you live further afield not so easy. Not everyone cycles (way too dangerous as facilities for cyclists are woefully inadequate), not everyone can ride a motorbike or scooter and not everyone is in perfect health.

I have lived in Swindon for the past 18 years and I've watched it turn from a bustling town that had some really good shops in the town centre, namely McIlroys and The Cloth Cabin to name but two to a scruffy, car-hating dump with cheap tat shops and it's all down to airy-fairy schemes and bad decision making by people who are happy to take council tax money but give nothing back in return.

This latest nasty little scheme will have a devastating effect on what's left of the town centre. I only ever go into the town centre if I really have to, i.e. going to the bank. Other than that I avoid it like the plague.

Ultimately everyone in Swindon is going to suffer from this stupidity with even more job losses (Next just closed up in the town centre last weekend) and that includes people like yourself who are very obviously "green".
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: Quote: "Add to that a chief road planning officer who can't even drive and hates cars" That, in itself, isn't actually a bad thing. We need to change the focus from "how CARS get around town" to "how PEOPLE get around town." That is the aim that needs achieving. We can't keep jumping in our cars for short journeys all the time. And we can't keep clogging up towns and cities with people (who take up a couple of square feet when they are on foot) taking up the space that a car does. The basic maths of it show what will happen.[/p][/quote]No. Someone who can't drive should not be in charge of road planning. The mere fact that they can't drive but have admitted to hating cars means that this person will discriminate against car drivers. Walking in town is fine if you actually live in the town centre or close by but if you live further afield not so easy. Not everyone cycles (way too dangerous as facilities for cyclists are woefully inadequate), not everyone can ride a motorbike or scooter and not everyone is in perfect health. I have lived in Swindon for the past 18 years and I've watched it turn from a bustling town that had some really good shops in the town centre, namely McIlroys and The Cloth Cabin to name but two to a scruffy, car-hating dump with cheap tat shops and it's all down to airy-fairy schemes and bad decision making by people who are happy to take council tax money but give nothing back in return. This latest nasty little scheme will have a devastating effect on what's left of the town centre. I only ever go into the town centre if I really have to, i.e. going to the bank. Other than that I avoid it like the plague. Ultimately everyone in Swindon is going to suffer from this stupidity with even more job losses (Next just closed up in the town centre last weekend) and that includes people like yourself who are very obviously "green". Moth
  • Score: 7

12:19pm Fri 1 Aug 14

BCDR99 says...

Quote: "No. Someone who can't drive should not be in charge of road planning. The mere fact that they can't drive but have admitted to hating cars means that this person will discriminate against car drivers."

Roads exist to move people and goods around not cars. The car just happens to be many people's favoured choice. The trouble is, towns and cities are becoming more busy and with more cars, comes more congestion. Congestion isn't just unpleasant for the people sat in their cars going nowhere quickly, it is unpleasant for the entire town. Not only making journeys longer, but making the air quality poorer.

The trouble is, we need a LONG TERM plan to make that switch from car to other forms of sustainable transport. You are correct in that cycling facilities are inadequate and that not everyone is in good health, but if we build good, functional, safe alternatives to taking the car everywhere then a) more people will cycle/walk and b) more people will become healthier.

I agree that we can't just tell people to leave their cars at home from now on because the alternative infrastructure is not there. But what we can do is plan long term to reduce the use of the car to make the town a more pleasant place to be for everyone.

The reason the town centre is dying isn't solely because of the road infrastructure. It's a combination of the roads, parking charges AND the complete lack of a decent alternative way to get in to town. So let's have a plan to build that alternative instead of simply saying "well, it used to be easy to get around the town in a car, so let's make it so again."
How many people come back from cities and towns abroad and say "Oh, it was fabulous - we could go everywhere by bus and tram and we hired a bike for a couple of days to get round" yet someone suggests that we leave the car at home every now and then, and you'd think we were asking them to chop off their arms and legs.
Quote: "No. Someone who can't drive should not be in charge of road planning. The mere fact that they can't drive but have admitted to hating cars means that this person will discriminate against car drivers." Roads exist to move people and goods around not cars. The car just happens to be many people's favoured choice. The trouble is, towns and cities are becoming more busy and with more cars, comes more congestion. Congestion isn't just unpleasant for the people sat in their cars going nowhere quickly, it is unpleasant for the entire town. Not only making journeys longer, but making the air quality poorer. The trouble is, we need a LONG TERM plan to make that switch from car to other forms of sustainable transport. You are correct in that cycling facilities are inadequate and that not everyone is in good health, but if we build good, functional, safe alternatives to taking the car everywhere then a) more people will cycle/walk and b) more people will become healthier. I agree that we can't just tell people to leave their cars at home from now on because the alternative infrastructure is not there. But what we can do is plan long term to reduce the use of the car to make the town a more pleasant place to be for everyone. The reason the town centre is dying isn't solely because of the road infrastructure. It's a combination of the roads, parking charges AND the complete lack of a decent alternative way to get in to town. So let's have a plan to build that alternative instead of simply saying "well, it used to be easy to get around the town in a car, so let's make it so again." How many people come back from cities and towns abroad and say "Oh, it was fabulous - we could go everywhere by bus and tram and we hired a bike for a couple of days to get round" yet someone suggests that we leave the car at home every now and then, and you'd think we were asking them to chop off their arms and legs. BCDR99
  • Score: -3

12:54pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Dickdock says...

BCDR999

I really don't think agree
If people are going shopping into a town centre, they will come away with several bags worth of shopping,
They will probably go with there partner and possibly children, they may have buggies,
They may want to take there car shopping, it might be raining, so they don't want to stand around waiting for trams, busses etc.
The council need to understand that people want to take there cars, so they need to provide a road network that suits.
It is not the case that If it is made difficult to drive to the town centre then people will use public transport.
The fact is if they make it difficult for people to drive to the town centre, they will vote with there feet or should I say wheels and they will drive to where it is more accesable by car, FACT.
so will SBC understand this, and the answer to that is NO,
Once the town centre is a ghost town then they can blame it on the overpaid consultants they employed to give them duff information
BCDR999 I really don't think agree If people are going shopping into a town centre, they will come away with several bags worth of shopping, They will probably go with there partner and possibly children, they may have buggies, They may want to take there car shopping, it might be raining, so they don't want to stand around waiting for trams, busses etc. The council need to understand that people want to take there cars, so they need to provide a road network that suits. It is not the case that If it is made difficult to drive to the town centre then people will use public transport. The fact is if they make it difficult for people to drive to the town centre, they will vote with there feet or should I say wheels and they will drive to where it is more accesable by car, FACT. so will SBC understand this, and the answer to that is NO, Once the town centre is a ghost town then they can blame it on the overpaid consultants they employed to give them duff information Dickdock
  • Score: 5

1:03pm Fri 1 Aug 14

batch says...

"Fortunately, access to the M4 is great so it is very easy and quick to drive to Reading or Bristol rather than waste time reaching STC."

Not from North Swindon at 8am in the morning it isn't. Decades of SBC councils failure to build the missing Thamesdown Drive->Great Western Way link is taking it toll wil new housing developments appearing all the time. No problem with new houses, but the infrastructure isn't there to cope.
"Fortunately, access to the M4 is great so it is very easy and quick to drive to Reading or Bristol rather than waste time reaching STC." Not from North Swindon at 8am in the morning it isn't. Decades of SBC councils failure to build the missing Thamesdown Drive->Great Western Way link is taking it toll wil new housing developments appearing all the time. No problem with new houses, but the infrastructure isn't there to cope. batch
  • Score: 6

1:21pm Fri 1 Aug 14

BCDR99 says...

Dickdock: It is not the case that If it is made difficult to drive to the town centre then people will use public transport.

I agree, and I was careful not to say that. It needs to be made much, much easier to use public transport or to cycle or walk before people will leave their cars at home.
We must provide the carrot before we get the stick out.
The investment must start somewhere but without a long term plan being designed and implemented by people with vision and authority we'll be left with what we have now, which is a mess and neither one solution or the other. We have a poor public transport network, abysmal cycling facilities and a road network that doesn't allow cars to flow freely.
Dickdock: It is not the case that If it is made difficult to drive to the town centre then people will use public transport. I agree, and I was careful not to say that. It needs to be made much, much easier to use public transport or to cycle or walk before people will leave their cars at home. We must provide the carrot before we get the stick out. The investment must start somewhere but without a long term plan being designed and implemented by people with vision and authority we'll be left with what we have now, which is a mess and neither one solution or the other. We have a poor public transport network, abysmal cycling facilities and a road network that doesn't allow cars to flow freely. BCDR99
  • Score: 1

1:47pm Fri 1 Aug 14

BCDR99 says...

Quote : Ultimately everyone in Swindon is going to suffer from this stupidity with even more job losses (Next just closed up in the town centre last weekend) and that includes people like yourself who are very obviously "green".

The funny thing is I don't consider myself to be "green" at all. I cycle to work because it is enjoyable and keeps me fit. I don't like taking the car on short journeys because it is not good for the car which will cost me in the long run and diesel is bloody expensive so the less I can spend on that the better.
I also notice during the school holidays that the roads are a lot less busy and it is much more pleasant for everyone - it's quieter, the air smells better and I get to work quicker (yes, on my bike).
Quote [Moth]: Ultimately everyone in Swindon is going to suffer from this stupidity with even more job losses (Next just closed up in the town centre last weekend) and that includes people like yourself who are very obviously "green". The funny thing is I don't consider myself to be "green" at all. I cycle to work because it is enjoyable and keeps me fit. I don't like taking the car on short journeys because it is not good for the car which will cost me in the long run and diesel is bloody expensive so the less I can spend on that the better. I also notice during the school holidays that the roads are a lot less busy and it is much more pleasant for everyone - it's quieter, the air smells better and I get to work quicker (yes, on my bike). BCDR99
  • Score: 1

3:33pm Fri 1 Aug 14

GrumpyLocal says...

BCDR99 wrote:
Quote: "No. Someone who can't drive should not be in charge of road planning. The mere fact that they can't drive but have admitted to hating cars means that this person will discriminate against car drivers."

Roads exist to move people and goods around not cars. The car just happens to be many people's favoured choice. The trouble is, towns and cities are becoming more busy and with more cars, comes more congestion. Congestion isn't just unpleasant for the people sat in their cars going nowhere quickly, it is unpleasant for the entire town. Not only making journeys longer, but making the air quality poorer.

The trouble is, we need a LONG TERM plan to make that switch from car to other forms of sustainable transport. You are correct in that cycling facilities are inadequate and that not everyone is in good health, but if we build good, functional, safe alternatives to taking the car everywhere then a) more people will cycle/walk and b) more people will become healthier.

I agree that we can't just tell people to leave their cars at home from now on because the alternative infrastructure is not there. But what we can do is plan long term to reduce the use of the car to make the town a more pleasant place to be for everyone.

The reason the town centre is dying isn't solely because of the road infrastructure. It's a combination of the roads, parking charges AND the complete lack of a decent alternative way to get in to town. So let's have a plan to build that alternative instead of simply saying "well, it used to be easy to get around the town in a car, so let's make it so again."
How many people come back from cities and towns abroad and say "Oh, it was fabulous - we could go everywhere by bus and tram and we hired a bike for a couple of days to get round" yet someone suggests that we leave the car at home every now and then, and you'd think we were asking them to chop off their arms and legs.
Recently cam back from Melbourne and agree that the public transport system was great. Trams, buses, trains all working (mostly) in harmony made our holiday great fun. But it was a holiday, not everyday life. While we were there, friends grumbled about the system, complained about cancelled trains & crowded trams, plus moaned about the road network. The only difference between Swindon & Melbourne (transport wise only!) is that there is a critical mass in in Melbourne (like London, New York, Paris etc) that allows for the infrastructure to be built and mainly sustained by the people paying to use it.
The town centre is suffering because out-of-town developments have taken huge amounts of business away from it, primarily because there is free parking and people don't have to battle their way in to the town centre. These out-of-town developments do not have huge numbers of people arriving by public transport, so to think that is the solution for the our town centre is a joke.
Whilst we in Melbourne we hired a car and experienced both side of the coin. On one hand we got stuck in traffic for ages on one day. On the other we got from our place of stay to our friends in about 1/4 of the time public transport would have taken. Should we end up living somewhere like Melbourne no doubt for commuting we'd use thee public transport but for large shopping trips we'd still use a car to visit the super markets or leisure travel outside of rush hour.
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: Quote: "No. Someone who can't drive should not be in charge of road planning. The mere fact that they can't drive but have admitted to hating cars means that this person will discriminate against car drivers." Roads exist to move people and goods around not cars. The car just happens to be many people's favoured choice. The trouble is, towns and cities are becoming more busy and with more cars, comes more congestion. Congestion isn't just unpleasant for the people sat in their cars going nowhere quickly, it is unpleasant for the entire town. Not only making journeys longer, but making the air quality poorer. The trouble is, we need a LONG TERM plan to make that switch from car to other forms of sustainable transport. You are correct in that cycling facilities are inadequate and that not everyone is in good health, but if we build good, functional, safe alternatives to taking the car everywhere then a) more people will cycle/walk and b) more people will become healthier. I agree that we can't just tell people to leave their cars at home from now on because the alternative infrastructure is not there. But what we can do is plan long term to reduce the use of the car to make the town a more pleasant place to be for everyone. The reason the town centre is dying isn't solely because of the road infrastructure. It's a combination of the roads, parking charges AND the complete lack of a decent alternative way to get in to town. So let's have a plan to build that alternative instead of simply saying "well, it used to be easy to get around the town in a car, so let's make it so again." How many people come back from cities and towns abroad and say "Oh, it was fabulous - we could go everywhere by bus and tram and we hired a bike for a couple of days to get round" yet someone suggests that we leave the car at home every now and then, and you'd think we were asking them to chop off their arms and legs.[/p][/quote]Recently cam back from Melbourne and agree that the public transport system was great. Trams, buses, trains all working (mostly) in harmony made our holiday great fun. But it was a holiday, not everyday life. While we were there, friends grumbled about the system, complained about cancelled trains & crowded trams, plus moaned about the road network. The only difference between Swindon & Melbourne (transport wise only!) is that there is a critical mass in in Melbourne (like London, New York, Paris etc) that allows for the infrastructure to be built and mainly sustained by the people paying to use it. The town centre is suffering because out-of-town developments have taken huge amounts of business away from it, primarily because there is free parking and people don't have to battle their way in to the town centre. These out-of-town developments do not have huge numbers of people arriving by public transport, so to think that is the solution for the our town centre is a joke. Whilst we in Melbourne we hired a car and experienced both side of the coin. On one hand we got stuck in traffic for ages on one day. On the other we got from our place of stay to our friends in about 1/4 of the time public transport would have taken. Should we end up living somewhere like Melbourne no doubt for commuting we'd use thee public transport but for large shopping trips we'd still use a car to visit the super markets or leisure travel outside of rush hour. GrumpyLocal
  • Score: 2

4:45pm Fri 1 Aug 14

BCDR99 says...

And who allowed the multitude of out of town shopping centres to be built? It's really not difficult to predict what happens when you do that because I learnt it in GCSE Geography in the 1980s.

The town centre does need to move on though and do something different. There is no point in there being shops that are available elsewhere. Business rates need to come down and there needs to be more and better leisure provision. The likes of Next and Currys are clearly struggling to stay in the town centre. House of Fraser is now an outlet store. How long before other big names that have shops elsewhere in town decide that the centre is not for them? It isn't just cars and parking - it's business rates and rents as well. The council seem to prefer 100% of nothing to 50% of something which is a strange way to manage what could be a good revenue stream.

As for shopping trips, people have heard of the internet haven't they? I don't do a weekly shop in a shop any more. It takes ages, door to door. I can do the weekly shop online and then some friendly chap brings it to my doorstep when I've asked them to. And back to the car thing, it's not wearing out my car by shopping online.

However, to counter all that, I'm not saying that EVERY journey should be by an alternative form of transport - that would be ridiculous. But provision needs to be made in a joined-up, long-term transport plan to try and reduce the number of journeys that are made by car because the place will be much better for it.
And who allowed the multitude of out of town shopping centres to be built? It's really not difficult to predict what happens when you do that because I learnt it in GCSE Geography in the 1980s. The town centre does need to move on though and do something different. There is no point in there being shops that are available elsewhere. Business rates need to come down and there needs to be more and better leisure provision. The likes of Next and Currys are clearly struggling to stay in the town centre. House of Fraser is now an outlet store. How long before other big names that have shops elsewhere in town decide that the centre is not for them? It isn't just cars and parking - it's business rates and rents as well. The council seem to prefer 100% of nothing to 50% of something which is a strange way to manage what could be a good revenue stream. As for shopping trips, people have heard of the internet haven't they? I don't do a weekly shop in a shop any more. It takes ages, door to door. I can do the weekly shop online and then some friendly chap brings it to my doorstep when I've asked them to. And back to the car thing, it's not wearing out my car by shopping online. However, to counter all that, I'm not saying that EVERY journey should be by an alternative form of transport - that would be ridiculous. But provision needs to be made in a joined-up, long-term transport plan to try and reduce the number of journeys that are made by car because the place will be much better for it. BCDR99
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Badgersgetabadname says...

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
Hi Badger.
Names, Names, Names or allude to names?
Oh you know.
North Swindon, Priory Vale, Haydon Wick.
A particular "circle of friends" that like to set up "forums" so that they can influence things
Hi there Ollie,

I worry more that people could be turned so easily by some thing so obviously toxic.
Hope all well with you.
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote: Hi Badger. Names, Names, Names or allude to names? Oh you know. North Swindon, Priory Vale, Haydon Wick. A particular "circle of friends" that like to set up "forums" so that they can influence things[/p][/quote]Hi there Ollie, I worry more that people could be turned so easily by some thing so obviously toxic. Hope all well with you. Badgersgetabadname
  • Score: -1

5:20pm Fri 1 Aug 14

umpcah says...

BCDR99 wrote:
And who allowed the multitude of out of town shopping centres to be built? It's really not difficult to predict what happens when you do that because I learnt it in GCSE Geography in the 1980s.

The town centre does need to move on though and do something different. There is no point in there being shops that are available elsewhere. Business rates need to come down and there needs to be more and better leisure provision. The likes of Next and Currys are clearly struggling to stay in the town centre. House of Fraser is now an outlet store. How long before other big names that have shops elsewhere in town decide that the centre is not for them? It isn't just cars and parking - it's business rates and rents as well. The council seem to prefer 100% of nothing to 50% of something which is a strange way to manage what could be a good revenue stream.

As for shopping trips, people have heard of the internet haven't they? I don't do a weekly shop in a shop any more. It takes ages, door to door. I can do the weekly shop online and then some friendly chap brings it to my doorstep when I've asked them to. And back to the car thing, it's not wearing out my car by shopping online.

However, to counter all that, I'm not saying that EVERY journey should be by an alternative form of transport - that would be ridiculous. But provision needs to be made in a joined-up, long-term transport plan to try and reduce the number of journeys that are made by car because the place will be much better for it.
I was wondering when someone would mention the internet ! Granted many people are not on-line but the number who are is growing and in say ten years time I think it`s safe to state that most people will be. The cost of having a supermarket delivering at an agreed time is usually less than a bus fare or cost of petrol. Additionally many occasionally required items can be purchased more cheaply on-line than in a Town Centre shop ! Only this week I bought a glue stick for £2.79 in Town only to find I could`ve bought two on eBay for about the same price ! Make the effort to visit the Town Centre ? Occasionally will do for me - certainly not frequently !
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote: And who allowed the multitude of out of town shopping centres to be built? It's really not difficult to predict what happens when you do that because I learnt it in GCSE Geography in the 1980s. The town centre does need to move on though and do something different. There is no point in there being shops that are available elsewhere. Business rates need to come down and there needs to be more and better leisure provision. The likes of Next and Currys are clearly struggling to stay in the town centre. House of Fraser is now an outlet store. How long before other big names that have shops elsewhere in town decide that the centre is not for them? It isn't just cars and parking - it's business rates and rents as well. The council seem to prefer 100% of nothing to 50% of something which is a strange way to manage what could be a good revenue stream. As for shopping trips, people have heard of the internet haven't they? I don't do a weekly shop in a shop any more. It takes ages, door to door. I can do the weekly shop online and then some friendly chap brings it to my doorstep when I've asked them to. And back to the car thing, it's not wearing out my car by shopping online. However, to counter all that, I'm not saying that EVERY journey should be by an alternative form of transport - that would be ridiculous. But provision needs to be made in a joined-up, long-term transport plan to try and reduce the number of journeys that are made by car because the place will be much better for it.[/p][/quote]I was wondering when someone would mention the internet ! Granted many people are not on-line but the number who are is growing and in say ten years time I think it`s safe to state that most people will be. The cost of having a supermarket delivering at an agreed time is usually less than a bus fare or cost of petrol. Additionally many occasionally required items can be purchased more cheaply on-line than in a Town Centre shop ! Only this week I bought a glue stick for £2.79 in Town only to find I could`ve bought two on eBay for about the same price ! Make the effort to visit the Town Centre ? Occasionally will do for me - certainly not frequently ! umpcah
  • Score: 2

11:00am Sat 2 Aug 14

trustnopolitician says...

If the comments made (all mostly negative ) are supplied to Swindon Borough Clowns would that count as consultation - there aint bin any yet !
If the comments made (all mostly negative ) are supplied to Swindon Borough Clowns would that count as consultation - there aint bin any yet ! trustnopolitician
  • Score: 2

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