The Great Western Ambulance Trust has already proved to be a disaster, both in management and strategy, so the last thing this area needs is for them to take over the running of a our air ambulance and replacing it with a part time service based 40 miles away.

It is vital that we have an Air Ambulance Service in Wiltshire regardless of what Grumpy says, The M4 corridor is a death trap for mobile ambulances to get to the scene of impact as TOO MANY mororists are hogging the hard shoulder preventing the Emergency Services to attend. It is suggested that we raise funds in various ways to help Wiltshire Air Ambulance to keep in the air also surrounding rural areas it would take AGES for the mobile services to get a patient to the hospital due to the state of the narrow roads. We have MNotorcycle outriders in cases of emergency, they then can decide for the Air Ambulance to be called out due to the state of rural roads. I am for the Air Ambulance and plead with as many fund raisers to help this very important service. Living previously in the Rural area of Lincolnshire, it took AGES for the mobile service to attend a matter of emergency, unfortunately it was too late to save the patient due to INCONSIDERATE motorists blocking the way. Dig into your pockets and raise as much as you can, every penny saves lives.

Bri, Grumpy wasn't saying t wasn't needed, far from it. It is totally insane to increase the response time by having it in Bristol. Also who in their right mind could conclude it should only be a daytime service, don't serious accidents happen at night any more. truly Bonkers.

Bri wrote:

It is vital that we have an Air Ambulance Service in Wiltshire regardless of what Grumpy says,

I can't see how you got the idea that I'm against the Air Ambulance, far from it. What I do not want is the Great Western Ambulance Trust to take it over and base it in Filton. I thought that's what I said in my original post. However, I'll accept your apology.

Bristol, Avon & Somerset are already covered by the Dorset and Somerset Air Ambulance, so why do they need to have ours? It doesn't make any sense at all. I feel a petition coming on...

Bri wrote:
It is vital that we have an Air Ambulance Service in Wiltshire regardless of what Grumpy says, The M4 corridor is a death trap for mobile ambulances to get to the scene of impact as TOO MANY mororists are hogging the hard shoulder preventing the Emergency Services to attend. It is suggested that we raise funds in various ways to help Wiltshire Air Ambulance to keep in the air also surrounding rural areas it would take AGES for the mobile services to get a patient to the hospital due to the state of the narrow roads. We have MNotorcycle outriders in cases of emergency, they then can decide for the Air Ambulance to be called out due to the state of rural roads. I am for the Air Ambulance and plead with as many fund raisers to help this very important service. Living previously in the Rural area of Lincolnshire, it took AGES for the mobile service to attend a matter of emergency, unfortunately it was too late to save the patient due to INCONSIDERATE motorists blocking the way. Dig into your pockets and raise as much as you can, every penny saves lives.

Just a note for you, motorists are not considerate they have a equal right to be on the road. and It is not their fault that some idiots decide to die on the roads.
As for that buzzing chopper, I do not care one thing about it being relocated or scrapped, I just dont want it to fly around, over my house at night or day. if you want it, have it in your garden not mine!

Bobsyouruncle wrote:
Bristol, Avon & Somerset are already covered by the Dorset and Somerset Air Ambulance, so why do they need to have ours? It doesn't make any sense at all. I feel a petition coming on...

thats right petition for a flight path!

Why dilute a proven life-saving service!? It should be enhanced, and not be subjected to reduced service availability. I'd rather support a charity based focus to keep it local - and I'm sure the proposed merged areas would want their own facility. Keep the 'air-angels' local and supported!

Taxpower wrote:

Bri wrote: It is vital that we have an Air Ambulance Service in Wiltshire regardless of what Grumpy says, The M4 corridor is a death trap for mobile ambulances to get to the scene of impact as TOO MANY mororists are hogging the hard shoulder preventing the Emergency Services to attend. It is suggested that we raise funds in various ways to help Wiltshire Air Ambulance to keep in the air also surrounding rural areas it would take AGES for the mobile services to get a patient to the hospital due to the state of the narrow roads. We have MNotorcycle outriders in cases of emergency, they then can decide for the Air Ambulance to be called out due to the state of rural roads. I am for the Air Ambulance and plead with as many fund raisers to help this very important service. Living previously in the Rural area of Lincolnshire, it took AGES for the mobile service to attend a matter of emergency, unfortunately it was too late to save the patient due to INCONSIDERATE motorists blocking the way. Dig into your pockets and raise as much as you can, every penny saves lives.

Just a note for you, motorists are not considerate they have a equal right to be on the road. and It is not their fault that some idiots decide to die on the roads. As for that buzzing chopper, I do not care one thing about it being relocated or scrapped, I just dont want it to fly around, over my house at night or day. if you want it, have it in your garden not mine!

I don't know if you're being serious with your comments or if I actually understand them.

You're saying that motorists are not considerate and it's not their fault if some idiots decide to die on the roads. Aren't 99% of these "idiots" motorists?

The Wiltshire Air Ambulance provide a valuable service that makes the difference between life or death.

Yes, it's shared with the police, and it can be annoying especially in the summer when the helicopter is directly above your house (which I know from experience of having the helicopter over my house on 3 consecutive days). The benefits outway the minor noise/vibration problems.

If it needs somewhere to park it can use my paddock. Would make an nice attraction.

Sorry grumpy, I lift my hands in the air in apology, my sincere misunderstanding. The air Amb SHOULD not be based in Brizzy (Filton), We have ample places to have it based such as Lyneham, and Cirencester, Why on earth should it be upped to Brizzy???? Sheer lunatics to do that. I have noticed motorists DO USE the hard shoulder UNNECCESSARILY just to get home to their partners and relax. I was driving in the "rush hour" to London just outside Membury Services and noticed 12 stupid motorists using the hard shoulder yet there was a breakdown ON it and those lunatics had to rejoin the M4 and AGAIN drive on the hard shoulder - where are the Motorway Police, not ONE in sight!!! In the event of an emergency one of those lunatics will DEFINITELY need the air ambulance and would have to wait for the Rapid Response to arrive first, that would be ages again. Think twice of using the emergency lanes, I am not surprised of the critism but I stand by my word "DIG DEEP" to support the Air Ambulance in Wiltshire and get it based locally.

Thanks RFM, I wonder if any more offers????
We need it more now cos too many young road hogs are causing the mayhem on the roads.

DarkAuror wrote:

Taxpower wrote:

Bri wrote: It is vital that we have an Air Ambulance Service in Wiltshire regardless of what Grumpy says, The M4 corridor is a death trap for mobile ambulances to get to the scene of impact as TOO MANY mororists are hogging the hard shoulder preventing the Emergency Services to attend. It is suggested that we raise funds in various ways to help Wiltshire Air Ambulance to keep in the air also surrounding rural areas it would take AGES for the mobile services to get a patient to the hospital due to the state of the narrow roads. We have MNotorcycle outriders in cases of emergency, they then can decide for the Air Ambulance to be called out due to the state of rural roads. I am for the Air Ambulance and plead with as many fund raisers to help this very important service. Living previously in the Rural area of Lincolnshire, it took AGES for the mobile service to attend a matter of emergency, unfortunately it was too late to save the patient due to INCONSIDERATE motorists blocking the way. Dig into your pockets and raise as much as you can, every penny saves lives.

Just a note for you, motorists are not considerate they have a equal right to be on the road. and It is not their fault that some idiots decide to die on the roads. As for that buzzing chopper, I do not care one thing about it being relocated or scrapped, I just dont want it to fly around, over my house at night or day. if you want it, have it in your garden not mine!

I don't know if you're being serious with your comments or if I actually understand them. You're saying that motorists are not considerate and it's not their fault if some idiots decide to die on the roads. Aren't 99% of these "idiots" motorists? The Wiltshire Air Ambulance provide a valuable service that makes the difference between life or death. Yes, it's shared with the police, and it can be annoying especially in the summer when the helicopter is directly above your house (which I know from experience of having the helicopter over my house on 3 consecutive days). The benefits outway the minor noise/vibration problems.

am serious indeed, motorists pay enough to be using the roads already congested and badly holed.So I guess having a police car or ambulance jumping in is not something Id do with pleasure, we have to give way thats all but we dont have to like it. As for the chopper, we pay enough council tax and work hard enough to have quiet nites without being disturbed by an helicopter: Citizens have rights also....

DarkAuror wrote:

Taxpower wrote:

Bri wrote: It is vital that we have an Air Ambulance Service in Wiltshire regardless of what Grumpy says, The M4 corridor is a death trap for mobile ambulances to get to the scene of impact as TOO MANY mororists are hogging the hard shoulder preventing the Emergency Services to attend. It is suggested that we raise funds in various ways to help Wiltshire Air Ambulance to keep in the air also surrounding rural areas it would take AGES for the mobile services to get a patient to the hospital due to the state of the narrow roads. We have MNotorcycle outriders in cases of emergency, they then can decide for the Air Ambulance to be called out due to the state of rural roads. I am for the Air Ambulance and plead with as many fund raisers to help this very important service. Living previously in the Rural area of Lincolnshire, it took AGES for the mobile service to attend a matter of emergency, unfortunately it was too late to save the patient due to INCONSIDERATE motorists blocking the way. Dig into your pockets and raise as much as you can, every penny saves lives.

Just a note for you, motorists are not considerate they have a equal right to be on the road. and It is not their fault that some idiots decide to die on the roads. As for that buzzing chopper, I do not care one thing about it being relocated or scrapped, I just dont want it to fly around, over my house at night or day. if you want it, have it in your garden not mine!

I don't know if you're being serious with your comments or if I actually understand them. You're saying that motorists are not considerate and it's not their fault if some idiots decide to die on the roads. Aren't 99% of these "idiots" motorists? The Wiltshire Air Ambulance provide a valuable service that makes the difference between life or death. Yes, it's shared with the police, and it can be annoying especially in the summer when the helicopter is directly above your house (which I know from experience of having the helicopter over my house on 3 consecutive days). The benefits outway the minor noise/vibration problems.

am serious indeed, motorists pay enough to be using the roads already congested and badly holed.So I guess having a police car or ambulance jumping in is not something Id do with pleasure, we have to give way thats all but we dont have to like it. As for the chopper, we pay enough council tax and work hard enough to have quiet nites without being disturbed by an helicopter: Citizens have rights also....

DarkAuror wrote:

Taxpower wrote:

Bri wrote: It is vital that we have an Air Ambulance Service in Wiltshire regardless of what Grumpy says, The M4 corridor is a death trap for mobile ambulances to get to the scene of impact as TOO MANY mororists are hogging the hard shoulder preventing the Emergency Services to attend. It is suggested that we raise funds in various ways to help Wiltshire Air Ambulance to keep in the air also surrounding rural areas it would take AGES for the mobile services to get a patient to the hospital due to the state of the narrow roads. We have MNotorcycle outriders in cases of emergency, they then can decide for the Air Ambulance to be called out due to the state of rural roads. I am for the Air Ambulance and plead with as many fund raisers to help this very important service. Living previously in the Rural area of Lincolnshire, it took AGES for the mobile service to attend a matter of emergency, unfortunately it was too late to save the patient due to INCONSIDERATE motorists blocking the way. Dig into your pockets and raise as much as you can, every penny saves lives.

Just a note for you, motorists are not considerate they have a equal right to be on the road. and It is not their fault that some idiots decide to die on the roads. As for that buzzing chopper, I do not care one thing about it being relocated or scrapped, I just dont want it to fly around, over my house at night or day. if you want it, have it in your garden not mine!

I don't know if you're being serious with your comments or if I actually understand them. You're saying that motorists are not considerate and it's not their fault if some idiots decide to die on the roads. Aren't 99% of these "idiots" motorists? The Wiltshire Air Ambulance provide a valuable service that makes the difference between life or death. Yes, it's shared with the police, and it can be annoying especially in the summer when the helicopter is directly above your house (which I know from experience of having the helicopter over my house on 3 consecutive days). The benefits outway the minor noise/vibration problems.

am serious indeed, motorists pay enough to be using the roads already congested and badly holed.So I guess having a police car or ambulance jumping in is not something Id do with pleasure, we have to give way thats all but we dont have to like it. As for the chopper, we pay enough council tax and work hard enough to have quiet nites without being disturbed by an helicopter: Citizens have rights also....

So are advocating a total ban on night time flights for ALL aircraft, including hercules?

However, if there weren't so many motorists that take chances or preplan their actions then there wouldn't be so many accidents. Was nearly involved in one on Monday on the approach to Bruce Bridges from B&Q when a Black BMW 3 series decided that the car he was following was going too slow so decided to swerve in front of me with no indication and proceeded to undertake the slower car.

I believe that everyone should have to retake their tests every 10 years.

Yeah, that **** helicopter making a bit of noise saving peoples lives eh?

The selfish ba*****s

angry monkey wrote:
Yeah, that **** helicopter making a bit of noise saving peoples lives eh? The selfish ba*****s

I know! How dare they have the diligence to get up a 3am and disturb my sleep to go and rescue someone who's in desperate need of emergency medical care!

My sleep for my nine-to-five is far more important than some so-and-so who didn't think to phone an ambulance 30minutes before they decided to have that car crash!

angry monkey wrote:
Yeah, that **** helicopter making a bit of noise saving peoples lives eh? The selfish ba*****s

Or to assist in the apprehension of a criminal close to his house.

taxpower - stupid comments, anything that helps to save a life (or catch a crim)is a good thing, quiet or noisy!

DarkAuror wrote:

angry monkey wrote:
Yeah, that **** helicopter making a bit of noise saving peoples lives eh? The selfish ba*****s

Or to assist in the apprehension of a criminal close to his house.

yet I bet if Taxpower were to be the victim of crime he would be the first one squealing for assistance from the police/ambulance service... shame if they are not available because they might disturb someone!! yes it is annoying whn the chopper seems to park over your roof, happens quite a lot round here too, but it is a very very small price to pay for the good it does!!

Bring Back Whirlybirds I say!

On a serious note - Bored & Crosspatch I concur as do most other posters like others have said if it was Taxpower or one of his own trapped or seriously injured in an M4 pileup he'd be grateful for the quick arrival of Dr & the Medics!

Bring Back Whirlybirds I say!

On a serious note - Bored & Crosspatch I concur as do most other posters like others have said if it was Taxpower or one of his own trapped or seriously injured in an M4 pileup he'd be grateful for the quick arrival of Dr & the Medics!

bored wrote:
taxpower - stupid comments, anything that helps to save a life (or catch a crim)is a good thing, quiet or noisy!

Not Stupid, we contribute for the service and personally I don't wish to pay to have my sleep disturbed. Thats democracy....

bored wrote:
taxpower - stupid comments, anything that helps to save a life (or catch a crim)is a good thing, quiet or noisy!

Not Stupid, we contribute for the service and personally I don't wish to pay to have my sleep disturbed. Thats democracy....

crosspatch wrote:

DarkAuror wrote:

angry monkey wrote: Yeah, that **** helicopter making a bit of noise saving peoples lives eh? The selfish ba*****s

Or to assist in the apprehension of a criminal close to his house.

yet I bet if Taxpower were to be the victim of crime he would be the first one squealing for assistance from the police/ambulance service... shame if they are not available because they might disturb someone!! yes it is annoying whn the chopper seems to park over your roof, happens quite a lot round here too, but it is a very very small price to pay for the good it does!!

we live without a chopper, we can live without it, it is not the panacea everybody think it is.

crosspatch wrote:

DarkAuror wrote:

angry monkey wrote: Yeah, that **** helicopter making a bit of noise saving peoples lives eh? The selfish ba*****s

Or to assist in the apprehension of a criminal close to his house.

yet I bet if Taxpower were to be the victim of crime he would be the first one squealing for assistance from the police/ambulance service... shame if they are not available because they might disturb someone!! yes it is annoying whn the chopper seems to park over your roof, happens quite a lot round here too, but it is a very very small price to pay for the good it does!!

we live without a chopper, we can live without it, it is not the panacea everybody think it is.

malkym wrote:
Bring Back Whirlybirds I say! On a serious note - Bored & Crosspatch I concur as do most other posters like others have said if it was Taxpower or one of his own trapped or seriously injured in an M4 pileup he'd be grateful for the quick arrival of Dr & the Medics!

am glad you concur with most other posters, but I don't and I won't take the argument that because it saves lives we ought to get bugged at night with it.dont like it, don't want it

Who would have thought this brilliant, lifesaving resource would encounter opposition because someone can't manage to sleep through the noise it makes. Get a life, people. They do brilliant work for us all - both medical and police support are for the benefit of us all. Keep up the good work, guys!

SpeakUp wrote:
Who would have thought this brilliant, lifesaving resource would encounter opposition because someone can't manage to sleep through the noise it makes. Get a life, people. They do brilliant work for us all - both medical and police support are for the benefit of us all. Keep up the good work, guys!

Well I know a good bucnh of people that wouldnt mind getting rid of it, or at least stopping it from flying over residences at night, get a petition out, you would be suprised how many of us are fed up with it.

Taxpower wrote:

SpeakUp wrote: Who would have thought this brilliant, lifesaving resource would encounter opposition because someone can't manage to sleep through the noise it makes. Get a life, people. They do brilliant work for us all - both medical and police support are for the benefit of us all. Keep up the good work, guys!

Well I know a good bucnh of people that wouldnt mind getting rid of it, or at least stopping it from flying over residences at night, get a petition out, you would be suprised how many of us are fed up with it.

Well, I know an even bigger bunch of people that like to keep the streets as clear as possible of crime (despite government legislation) and to lose less lives in car crashes on the M4. I can guarantee I'd get a bigger petition to keep it.

maybe you should get some facts there, what is exactly the contribution to your beloved chopper? my counter argument EU Environmental Noise Directive to measures to protect "designated quiet areas" from any increase in noise, so bring your petition on

Define "Designated Quiet Area".

http://www.wiltshire
airambulance.co.uk/i
ncidents.htm

My counter - a selection of incidents attended to by the air ambulance to show that it is indeed well-used, and as far as I and many others are concerned, vital.

Oh, and dare I add - that's a quiet helicopter compared to most - it's got no tail rotor!

Perhaps you should just be grateful that
a) you've never required the help in the middle of the night of these stirling men and women who take care of that helicopter; and b) that they've been considerate enough to buy one that's quieter than the norm.

LordBelacqua wrote:
Define "Designated Quiet Area". http://www.wiltshire airambulance.co.uk/i ncidents.htm My counter - a selection of incidents attended to by the air ambulance to show that it is indeed well-used, and as far as I and many others are concerned, vital.

sure it is vital, and so is my sleep at night.

Taxpower wrote:

LordBelacqua wrote: Define "Designated Quiet Area". http://www.wiltshire airambulance.co.uk/i ncidents.htm My counter - a selection of incidents attended to by the air ambulance to show that it is indeed well-used, and as far as I and many others are concerned, vital.

sure it is vital, and so is my sleep at night.

Your sleep is more valuable than a life?

b) that they've been considerate enough to buy one that's quieter than the norm, am no fool: how would you load patients if there was a tail rotor? So no this argument is not valid am afraid

LordBelacqua wrote:

Taxpower wrote:

LordBelacqua wrote: Define "Designated Quiet Area". http://www.wiltshire airambulance.co.uk/i ncidents.htm My counter - a selection of incidents attended to by the air ambulance to show that it is indeed well-used, and as far as I and many others are concerned, vital.

sure it is vital, and so is my sleep at night.

Your sleep is more valuable than a life?

Thats spot on, at last these debate has moved to the right direction. People have the right to sleep and pay to live in a peaceful and quiet area of their choosing.

Taxpower wrote:
b) that they've been considerate enough to buy one that's quieter than the norm, am no fool: how would you load patients if there was a tail rotor? So no this argument is not valid am afraid

With a little more care and a shut-down engine.

Thats spot on, at last these debate has moved to the right direction. People have the right to sleep and pay to live in a peaceful and quiet area of their choosing.

More so than someone has a right to life?

Taxpower wrote:
maybe you should get some facts there, what is exactly the contribution to your beloved chopper? my counter argument EU Environmental Noise Directive to measures to protect "designated quiet areas" from any increase in noise, so bring your petition on

Just read the directive you've quoted and the Ambulance/Police helicopter would actually be an exception and not be covered by the directive.

Have you complained to the Environmental Health Dept of SBC? It's one thing to moan about on a public forum, it's another to make an actual complaint to the council? I would intrested to hear what they say about your directive.

So all of you who want to stop the helicopter disturbing your beauty sleep will insist the police do NOT call in the helicopter when you get robbed at night in your street then. "Let the crims run away with my cash, officer, don't want to trouble my neighbours just because I'm in agony and the offender is hiding in the dark". Yea, course you would.

And as you lie in a ditch in agony you're gonna tell the ambulance service that getting you to hospital can take as long as it takes as the air ambulance might wake someone you never met as it flies you to A&E. Yea, right again.

Be real and get off the soapbox. But be sure not to fall of cos...