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Van driver tries to snatch children outside school
7:44am Wednesday 21st May 2008
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PARENTS are being warned to be on their guard after a man tried to lure primary schoolchildren into his van.
On three separate occasions in the last week a man driving a red van was seen approaching children near Eldene Primary School.
Last Friday, a girl was on her way to school when the man asked the Year 3 pupil, aged just seven or eight, if she wanted to have a look at a bike in the back of his van.
A worried friend of the girl's mother said: "My friend's daughter left home at about 8.15am and was between Colingsmead and Islandsmead when she was approached by a big red van.
"The man got out of his door and said Do you want to look at this brand new bike I have got in the back'.
"The girl ran off, and as she was running off the driver went round the other road to the school.
"She saw him again, but saw a boy she knew from the school who she went to him for help.
"She then went into the school and reported it.
"When I went to the school on Monday another mum told me about an incident on Saturday. At about 2.30pm a girl was heard shouting at a man who had her by the hand and was walking her away.
"The police came out and saw the girl on Saturday and I think took DNA swabs off her hands, because he must have been sweating.
"The school sent out a letter on Friday and warning parents not to let children go to school on their own.
"I have two children at the school and my eldest normally walks on her own, but I have had to tell her to walk with me for the time being.
"Everyone at the school is shocked about the whole incident."
On Saturday three girls aged six and seven were playing in Stubsmead when a man approached one of the girls from behind, grabbed hold of her wrist and tried to drag her towards the road.
The girl managed to pull herself free and ran home for help.
The man had light brown hair and stubble on his chin. One of the other girls said she saw him head towards a red van after the incident.
On Monday evening a third incident took place involving an 11-year-old girl. Police said they were still talking to the girl and her family to find out exactly what happened.
Swindon's top cop has urged parents to be cautious following the incidents.
Chief Supt Paul Howlett said: "Swindon police are talking theses three incidents very seriously, but despite our best efforts, we have to date not been able to resolve them to our satisfaction.
"It is important parents be aware of these three incidents and for the time being then ensure that their children are properly supervised.
"We do not wish to be alarmist but at the same time our priority rests in protecting children from harm.
"Swindon is a safe place to be and we intend to keep it that way. Fortunately such incidents are rare and I'd rather we be vigilant than complacent.
"We are very aware that half term is approaching, and we have had some warm weather and the children want to go out and play, but parents should make sure their children are safe, playing under supervision and they know where they are."
Another Eldene primary mum said: "My daughter walks to school with a friend's mum, and I know she would be safe, but it is worrying. He seems to be targeting children in year three and year six."
After the third incident was reported to police yesterday morning, a Swindon man was arrested in the town centre.
Last night he was being held at Gablecross police station, while the investigation continues.
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WTF?, Swindon says...
8:59am Wed 21 May 08
KJ wrote:Exactly. A /8 year old should NOT be walking to school alone no matter what the circumstances.
At that age should they be walking alone anyway???? Has no one learnt from all the press that kids are not safe on their own
If anything had happened to this child no doubt the parents would have moved faster than they have in their life to blame everyone but themselves.
A lot of child victims are just that because they're in the wrong place at the wrong time, but most child victims are so because their parents have no idea how to 'parent'.
Aside from this pathetic little man in his big red van the parents of this 7/8 year old should be told that letting their child walk to school alone and putting them at risk is a clear case of neglect.
Rhino, Swindon Town says...
9:13am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83, Stratton says...
9:25am Wed 21 May 08
KJ, says...
9:26am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
9:28am Wed 21 May 08
WTF? wrote:get a grip, you leave an 8 year old on the Internet and you think thats not dangerous? Do gooders like you leave children in a permanent state of Assisted mentality and have made this country a Nanny State.
KJ wrote: At that age should they be walking alone anyway???? Has no one learnt from all the press that kids are not safe on their ownExactly. A /8 year old should NOT be walking to school alone no matter what the circumstances. If anything had happened to this child no doubt the parents would have moved faster than they have in their life to blame everyone but themselves. A lot of child victims are just that because they're in the wrong place at the wrong time, but most child victims are so because their parents have no idea how to 'parent'. Aside from this pathetic little man in his big red van the parents of this 7/8 year old should be told that letting their child walk to school alone and putting them at risk is a clear case of neglect.
emmylou83, Stratton says...
9:30am Wed 21 May 08
you leave an 8 year old on the Internet and you think thats not dangerous?
Any self respecting parent would know what their 8yr old was looking at on the internet and have parental blocks on certain sites or it doesn't stop people on networking sites pretending to be someone they are not but 8yr olds I assume wuouldn't have bebo, myspace, and facebook.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
9:32am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:do you think it is not dangerous to let teenagers drink and go out and have unprotected sex. Why is it ok to smother children and leave teenagers in a feral state?
This is exactly what I was saying yesterday a child of that age should not be allowed to walk to school on her own, I did as a child but my house was and stuill is directly opposite my house so my parents watched me from the front door. I think these incidents may at least reeducate the parents on the dangers that are out there. I'm not saying wrap your kids in cotton wool and follow them everywhere but at least make sure they are aware of the dangers out there.
emmylou83, Stratton says...
9:38am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:I never said that at all Taxpower you are putting words in my mouth, children have to make their own mistakes but personally I feel that at 13+ you should be old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. You say don't smother your children yet you seem to want people to watch their children every second of the day. The sad reality is children and teenagers are going to do what they want regardless of what mummy and daddy say and the more parents protest the more likely children are going to rebel. there is no respect for authority anymore and that is the problem
emmylou83 wrote: This is exactly what I was saying yesterday a child of that age should not be allowed to walk to school on her own, I did as a child but my house was and stuill is directly opposite my house so my parents watched me from the front door. I think these incidents may at least reeducate the parents on the dangers that are out there. I'm not saying wrap your kids in cotton wool and follow them everywhere but at least make sure they are aware of the dangers out there.do you think it is not dangerous to let teenagers drink and go out and have unprotected sex. Why is it ok to smother children and leave teenagers in a feral state?
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
9:38am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:I think people and Institutions should stop putting their nose in other people business especially when it comes to Parenting because to my opinion, children never had it easier and still behave worse than a pack of animals. Bring back corporal punishement and the Military Service!
you leave an 8 year old on the Internet and you think thats not dangerous?Any self respecting parent would know what their 8yr old was looking at on the internet and have parental blocks on certain sites or it doesn't stop people on networking sites pretending to be someone they are not but 8yr olds I assume wuouldn't have bebo, myspace, and facebook.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
9:43am Wed 21 May 08
Rhino wrote:I totally agree with you. Parents have been doing great until Labour decided to stick their nose into people intimate Lives. children know about right / wrong, safe and unsafe. Currently we assume that if you are not 18 if you mentally incapable, however a 14y old girl can ask for the pill with out parents knowing. Am a strong partisan for letting children of the lead so they do not go overboard when growing up.
I used to walk to school on my own when I was that age and the only difference between now and then is the roads are busier and media coverage of incidents like this. At what age should children be allowed to walk on their own. I see children walking to Secondary schools with no road sense at all because until then they are taken everywhere by Mummy. This child knew about stranger/danger so I'd say her parents are doing ok.
WTF?, Swindon says...
9:55am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:Even you are scrapping the barrel for a an argument now.
emmylou83 wrote: This is exactly what I was saying yesterday a child of that age should not be allowed to walk to school on her own, I did as a child but my house was and stuill is directly opposite my house so my parents watched me from the front door. I think these incidents may at least reeducate the parents on the dangers that are out there. I'm not saying wrap your kids in cotton wool and follow them everywhere but at least make sure they are aware of the dangers out there.do you think it is not dangerous to let teenagers drink and go out and have unprotected sex. Why is it ok to smother children and leave teenagers in a feral state?
We're talking about allowing 7/8 year old children walk to school on their own and you've swung it around to teenagers drinking and having sex just because your side of the argument is based on thought as opposed to fact?
If we were in this 'nanny state' that you feel the need to constantly refer to then where are all these gangs of kids coming from, all these young drug addicts, all these crimes committed by under 10 year olds?
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
9:58am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:Authority has been Hijacked by Labour.
Taxpower wrote:I never said that at all Taxpower you are putting words in my mouth, children have to make their own mistakes but personally I feel that at 13+ you should be old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. You say don't smother your children yet you seem to want people to watch their children every second of the day. The sad reality is children and teenagers are going to do what they want regardless of what mummy and daddy say and the more parents protest the more likely children are going to rebel. there is no respect for authority anymore and that is the problememmylou83 wrote: This is exactly what I was saying yesterday a child of that age should not be allowed to walk to school on her own, I did as a child but my house was and stuill is directly opposite my house so my parents watched me from the front door. I think these incidents may at least reeducate the parents on the dangers that are out there. I'm not saying wrap your kids in cotton wool and follow them everywhere but at least make sure they are aware of the dangers out there.do you think it is not dangerous to let teenagers drink and go out and have unprotected sex. Why is it ok to smother children and leave teenagers in a feral state?
As for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!
Children are not disabled, nor retarded, they very switched on these days
Russ The Manc, Swindon says...
10:00am Wed 21 May 08
Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon says...
10:00am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
10:07am Wed 21 May 08
Robert Feal-Martinez wrote:Thats right and how about the curfew for all children they should be accompagnied all times or be picked by special parentless Units. Dont be ridiculous! Go and travel you will see a lot of children walking around and play and explore.
How can anyone in today's society (history in this context is redundant) consider allowing young children to go to school without a parent or older child with them. It is appalling that many children get up, get their own breakfast (if they are lucky) and leave with one or more of their parents still ticked up in bed, or having already left for work. This is child neglect in my opinion. The school my son went to had firm rules, a child would be taken to school, and would not be allowed out of the building until a designated person arrived. If the school didn't recognise the person then phone calls were made. I have seen locally people forgetting to collect their kids because they have consumed so much alcohol they have just forgotten (not in my pub I hasten to add).
KJ, says...
10:07am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83, Stratton says...
10:08am Wed 21 May 08
As for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!
So you'd put an 8yr old in jail if they did something wrong?? Please tell me you don't have children
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
10:10am Wed 21 May 08
Russ The Manc wrote:who makes them young and vulnerable? your ancestors not long ago most likely send chidlren as young as 4 working in factories, Mines etc....Children these days are healthy, clever, strong, but mentally crippled by Do gooders like your kind
I think kids at secondary school are old enough to walk themselves but not primary school kids they are so young and vunerable.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
10:13am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:Believe me I would, if we were stricter from the start we wouldnt breed such vicious criminals and perverts. Kids are not above the Laws, they have the same rights and therefore the same duties as any other human beings
As for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!So you'd put an 8yr old in jail if they did something wrong?? Please tell me you don't have children
KJ, says...
10:13am Wed 21 May 08
Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon says...
10:16am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83, Stratton says...
10:16am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:Taxpower you need help serious help.
emmylou83 wrote:Believe me I would, if we were stricter from the start we wouldnt breed such vicious criminals and perverts. Kids are not above the Laws, they have the same rights and therefore the same duties as any other human beingsAs for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!So you'd put an 8yr old in jail if they did something wrong?? Please tell me you don't have children
This child should have been with a parent or at least a responisible adult and then this man wouldn't of approached her at all.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
10:18am Wed 21 May 08
KJ wrote:where do you get that rule that parents have to walk, drive their chidlren to school, where is the Law? Grow up, travel, and you will find that Children in this country need less mothering and a bit more autonomy. The UK is one of the Safest country in the World, stop being intoxicated with what the media are dishing out and try to think for yourself, don't give in to the paranoia. I seriously think that IQ tests should be taken before giving the right to vote, most of you are really naive
Nanny state? Teenagers??? what ahs this got to do with a 7/8 yr old walking to school on their own?? Your really scraping the barrel for an argument here. At the end of the day this child should have been walking with a parent. Thats that.
DarkAuror, Swindon says...
10:26am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:And this is from the person who wants to get rid of the Police/Air Ambulance helicopter because it disturbs his sleep.
KJ wrote: Nanny state? Teenagers??? what ahs this got to do with a 7/8 yr old walking to school on their own?? Your really scraping the barrel for an argument here. At the end of the day this child should have been walking with a parent. Thats that.where do you get that rule that parents have to walk, drive their chidlren to school, where is the Law? Grow up, travel, and you will find that Children in this country need less mothering and a bit more autonomy. The UK is one of the Safest country in the World, stop being intoxicated with what the media are dishing out and try to think for yourself, don't give in to the paranoia. I seriously think that IQ tests should be taken before giving the right to vote, most of you are really naive
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
10:31am Wed 21 May 08
DarkAuror wrote:I will defend my right to sleep and have a peaceful life with bites and nails. Nobody has more rights than me. If I want to sleep, I have the right to.
Taxpower wrote:And this is from the person who wants to get rid of the Police/Air Ambulance helicopter because it disturbs his sleep.KJ wrote: Nanny state? Teenagers??? what ahs this got to do with a 7/8 yr old walking to school on their own?? Your really scraping the barrel for an argument here. At the end of the day this child should have been walking with a parent. Thats that.where do you get that rule that parents have to walk, drive their chidlren to school, where is the Law? Grow up, travel, and you will find that Children in this country need less mothering and a bit more autonomy. The UK is one of the Safest country in the World, stop being intoxicated with what the media are dishing out and try to think for yourself, don't give in to the paranoia. I seriously think that IQ tests should be taken before giving the right to vote, most of you are really naive
Hotshots like you intoxicated by Topgun movies wants to fly and think they above the law, think again!
doug@homefarm, SN1 says...
10:32am Wed 21 May 08
Whilst one can feel the pain the McCanns are suffering, they did leave their children alone and this was despitet the girl complaining the day before that she was crying and no-one came to her. Also a bit of a red herring as she wasn't on her way to Eldene School.
emmylou83, Stratton says...
10:32am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
10:35am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:Don't think I need help, my CO doesnt think so.....why do we bother covering your arses from abroad eludes me, we should then people like you, but that wouldn't be any good because all you guys think about is help, assistance and benefits!
Taxpower wrote:Taxpower you need help serious help. This child should have been with a parent or at least a responisible adult and then this man wouldn't of approached her at all.emmylou83 wrote:Believe me I would, if we were stricter from the start we wouldnt breed such vicious criminals and perverts. Kids are not above the Laws, they have the same rights and therefore the same duties as any other human beingsAs for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!So you'd put an 8yr old in jail if they did something wrong?? Please tell me you don't have children
doug@homefarm, SN1 says...
10:37am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:Oh dear, he's pretending he's in the forces now! Taxpower I think you do need help.
emmylou83 wrote:Don't think I need help, my CO doesnt think so.....why do we bother covering your arses from abroad eludes me, we should then people like you, but that wouldn't be any good because all you guys think about is help, assistance and benefits!Taxpower wrote:Taxpower you need help serious help. This child should have been with a parent or at least a responisible adult and then this man wouldn't of approached her at all.emmylou83 wrote:Believe me I would, if we were stricter from the start we wouldnt breed such vicious criminals and perverts. Kids are not above the Laws, they have the same rights and therefore the same duties as any other human beingsAs for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!So you'd put an 8yr old in jail if they did something wrong?? Please tell me you don't have children
emmylou83, Stratton says...
10:38am Wed 21 May 08
doug@homefarm wrote:Ah well he's entertaining at the very least and I was worried work was going to be boring today
Taxpower wrote:Oh dear, he's pretending he's in the forces now! Taxpower I think you do need help.emmylou83 wrote:Don't think I need help, my CO doesnt think so.....why do we bother covering your arses from abroad eludes me, we should then people like you, but that wouldn't be any good because all you guys think about is help, assistance and benefits!Taxpower wrote:Taxpower you need help serious help. This child should have been with a parent or at least a responisible adult and then this man wouldn't of approached her at all.emmylou83 wrote:Believe me I would, if we were stricter from the start we wouldnt breed such vicious criminals and perverts. Kids are not above the Laws, they have the same rights and therefore the same duties as any other human beingsAs for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!So you'd put an 8yr old in jail if they did something wrong?? Please tell me you don't have children
KJ, says...
10:42am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
10:48am Wed 21 May 08
Robert Feal-Martinez wrote:I think you should listen a little less to EP (Educational Psychologists) and talk a little more with your parents
Taxpower, parents have a moral obligation, as well as a legal obligation to keep their children safe. If parents do not wish that responsibility then they shouldn't have children, and that is not a class statement that equally applies to those who think it is good parenting to leave their children with a nanny at 6 months old and return to work. There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that children who have bonded with their parents fair far better than those who parents have been absent in the first 3 years of their lives. It is far to common for at one end of the social class for children to be conceived to get a house, and at the other for them to be 'status symbols'. As one of 7 children from a council house background my life was far from perfect but one thing was for sure, my mother, made our breakfasts and walked the 3 miles with us to school and was at the school to meet us, and still did a part time job. we adopted the same policy with my son and my sons wife now does with her children. It's called 'Good Parenting'.
emmylou83, Stratton says...
10:50am Wed 21 May 08
KJ - Completely and utterly agree with you
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
10:52am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:Typical Blair Generation comment and obviously not done any time in the Forces of anykind, but thats OK, Conscription been abolished a long time ago, it would do you good.
doug@homefarm wrote:Ah well he's entertaining at the very least and I was worried work was going to be boring todayTaxpower wrote:Oh dear, he's pretending he's in the forces now! Taxpower I think you do need help.emmylou83 wrote:Don't think I need help, my CO doesnt think so.....why do we bother covering your arses from abroad eludes me, we should then people like you, but that wouldn't be any good because all you guys think about is help, assistance and benefits!Taxpower wrote:Taxpower you need help serious help. This child should have been with a parent or at least a responisible adult and then this man wouldn't of approached her at all.emmylou83 wrote:Believe me I would, if we were stricter from the start we wouldnt breed such vicious criminals and perverts. Kids are not above the Laws, they have the same rights and therefore the same duties as any other human beingsAs for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!So you'd put an 8yr old in jail if they did something wrong?? Please tell me you don't have children
KJ, says...
10:52am Wed 21 May 08
doug@homefarm, SN1 says...
10:53am Wed 21 May 08
Youre not in some institution are you? Computers can be very theraputic in these places.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
10:55am Wed 21 May 08
KJ wrote:where do you get your good parenting skills from? Mr Blair little Pink book on moral values and contraception.
EP??? What the?? Nothing to do with them. Like RFM says it's about good parenting.
Terence, Swindon says...
10:55am Wed 21 May 08
Difficult questions of parental responsibility and child maturity. I do think it's exaggerating to describe allowing an 8yr old to walk to school alone as necessarily constituting child abuse, it is often allowed by very caring parents concerned about the child's independence and I would hesitate to call that neglectful.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
10:59am Wed 21 May 08
doug@homefarm wrote:Another Woman another brainless tongue, go and do your military service like in Israel. Stop hanging round town and reading Glamour magasine, it will broaden your horizon and teach you few things about real life, not the one from the Fashion magasines!
Taxpower wrote:Oh dear, he's pretending he's in the forces now! Taxpower I think you do need help.emmylou83 wrote:Don't think I need help, my CO doesnt think so.....why do we bother covering your arses from abroad eludes me, we should then people like you, but that wouldn't be any good because all you guys think about is help, assistance and benefits!Taxpower wrote:Taxpower you need help serious help. This child should have been with a parent or at least a responisible adult and then this man wouldn't of approached her at all.emmylou83 wrote:Believe me I would, if we were stricter from the start we wouldnt breed such vicious criminals and perverts. Kids are not above the Laws, they have the same rights and therefore the same duties as any other human beingsAs for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!So you'd put an 8yr old in jail if they did something wrong?? Please tell me you don't have children
emmylou83, Stratton says...
10:59am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:After seeing what my dad went through when he was in the forces I decided to steer clear
emmylou83 wrote:Typical Blair Generation comment and obviously not done any time in the Forces of anykind, but thats OK, Conscription been abolished a long time ago, it would do you good.doug@homefarm wrote:Ah well he's entertaining at the very least and I was worried work was going to be boring todayTaxpower wrote:Oh dear, he's pretending he's in the forces now! Taxpower I think you do need help.emmylou83 wrote:Don't think I need help, my CO doesnt think so.....why do we bother covering your arses from abroad eludes me, we should then people like you, but that wouldn't be any good because all you guys think about is help, assistance and benefits!Taxpower wrote:Taxpower you need help serious help. This child should have been with a parent or at least a responisible adult and then this man wouldn't of approached her at all.emmylou83 wrote:Believe me I would, if we were stricter from the start we wouldnt breed such vicious criminals and perverts. Kids are not above the Laws, they have the same rights and therefore the same duties as any other human beingsAs for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!So you'd put an 8yr old in jail if they did something wrong?? Please tell me you don't have children
KJ, says...
11:00am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83, Stratton says...
11:01am Wed 21 May 08
Another Woman another brainless tongue, go and do your military service like in Israel. Stop hanging round town and reading Glamour magasine, it will broaden your horizon and teach you few things about real life, not the one from the Fashion magasines!
Doug have you had a sex change that only Taxpower knows about???
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
11:02am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:Life aint for the feint hearted sweetie.
Taxpower wrote:After seeing what my dad went through when he was in the forces I decided to steer clearemmylou83 wrote:Typical Blair Generation comment and obviously not done any time in the Forces of anykind, but thats OK, Conscription been abolished a long time ago, it would do you good.doug@homefarm wrote:Ah well he's entertaining at the very least and I was worried work was going to be boring todayTaxpower wrote:Oh dear, he's pretending he's in the forces now! Taxpower I think you do need help.emmylou83 wrote:Don't think I need help, my CO doesnt think so.....why do we bother covering your arses from abroad eludes me, we should then people like you, but that wouldn't be any good because all you guys think about is help, assistance and benefits!Taxpower wrote:Taxpower you need help serious help. This child should have been with a parent or at least a responisible adult and then this man wouldn't of approached her at all.emmylou83 wrote:Believe me I would, if we were stricter from the start we wouldnt breed such vicious criminals and perverts. Kids are not above the Laws, they have the same rights and therefore the same duties as any other human beingsAs for children, if they do something wrong: They should go to Jail like everybody else no matter the race, sex, religion and AGE!So you'd put an 8yr old in jail if they did something wrong?? Please tell me you don't have children
Probably why this country going down the Pan so fast with tire-au-flanc of your kind.
Maiden, Swindon says...
11:04am Wed 21 May 08
I agree they are partly to blame, I would NEVER leave my kids unattended, even in their onw home, let alone abroad, while I went out.
I know there are parents who believe in the laid back approach but for me, the tiny weeny chance that something might happen to them is far too big a risk. They are not wrapped in cotton wool though, they do all sorts of activities and have a full and happy life, but under my watchful eye. My kids will not become a victim of some dirty filthy perv, if that is what this red van driver is.
doug@homefarm, SN1 says...
11:04am Wed 21 May 08
KJ, says...
11:06am Wed 21 May 08
Maiden, Swindon says...
11:06am Wed 21 May 08
KJ, says...
11:07am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
11:09am Wed 21 May 08
KJ wrote:I suggest YOU stay clear and wide, because you aint equipped nor skilled enough.
Taxpower you are really starting to get my goat now, your not even on here for a decent debate. your just here to wind people up and rant about a load of old tosh. I suggest you take it to your next meeting of "idiots R Us"
Maiden, Swindon says...
11:09am Wed 21 May 08
doug@homefarm, SN1 says...
11:11am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:Intrestingly enough Isreal used to, and probably still does, have women as front line soldiers.
Another Woman another brainless tongue, go and do your military service like in Israel. Stop hanging round town and reading Glamour magasine, it will broaden your horizon and teach you few things about real life, not the one from the Fashion magasines!Doug have you had a sex change that only Taxpower knows about???
Go and lie down in a darkened room Taxpower, it must be time for your medication.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
11:14am Wed 21 May 08
Maiden wrote:have you ever considered implanting them with a GPS device?
I have two kids, aged 6 and 7. If I lose sight of them when we are out, even at the park, I panic. I fully admit to being an over protective Mother BUT they are utterly irreplaceable, one oversight could result in them being gone forever, as the McCanns found out. I agree they are partly to blame, I would NEVER leave my kids unattended, even in their onw home, let alone abroad, while I went out. I know there are parents who believe in the laid back approach but for me, the tiny weeny chance that something might happen to them is far too big a risk. They are not wrapped in cotton wool though, they do all sorts of activities and have a full and happy life, but under my watchful eye. My kids will not become a victim of some dirty filthy perv, if that is what this red van driver is.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
11:15am Wed 21 May 08
Maiden wrote:have you ever considered implanting them with a GPS device?
I have two kids, aged 6 and 7. If I lose sight of them when we are out, even at the park, I panic. I fully admit to being an over protective Mother BUT they are utterly irreplaceable, one oversight could result in them being gone forever, as the McCanns found out. I agree they are partly to blame, I would NEVER leave my kids unattended, even in their onw home, let alone abroad, while I went out. I know there are parents who believe in the laid back approach but for me, the tiny weeny chance that something might happen to them is far too big a risk. They are not wrapped in cotton wool though, they do all sorts of activities and have a full and happy life, but under my watchful eye. My kids will not become a victim of some dirty filthy perv, if that is what this red van driver is.
KJ, says...
11:16am Wed 21 May 08
DarkAuror, Swindon says...
11:20am Wed 21 May 08
Dixie, eldene says...
11:20am Wed 21 May 08
DarkAuror, Swindon says...
11:26am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:Taxpower, you said that you'll defend your RIGHT to sleep. I asked you in a previous thread if you reported it to the council which you replied I was naive.
DarkAuror wrote:I will defend my right to sleep and have a peaceful life with bites and nails. Nobody has more rights than me. If I want to sleep, I have the right to. Hotshots like you intoxicated by Topgun movies wants to fly and think they above the law, think again!Taxpower wrote:And this is from the person who wants to get rid of the Police/Air Ambulance helicopter because it disturbs his sleep.KJ wrote: Nanny state? Teenagers??? what ahs this got to do with a 7/8 yr old walking to school on their own?? Your really scraping the barrel for an argument here. At the end of the day this child should have been walking with a parent. Thats that.where do you get that rule that parents have to walk, drive their chidlren to school, where is the Law? Grow up, travel, and you will find that Children in this country need less mothering and a bit more autonomy. The UK is one of the Safest country in the World, stop being intoxicated with what the media are dishing out and try to think for yourself, don't give in to the paranoia. I seriously think that IQ tests should be taken before giving the right to vote, most of you are really naive
I was wondering what you were doing to exercise your RIGHT, if the authorities haven't been informed about it. Discussing your issue on a public forum is not the correct way of doing it, surely?
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
11:27am Wed 21 May 08
DarkAuror wrote:Thats right, people dont have to agree with each others. No need to get personal, however I don't mind.
I think this is where the web team should step in. A debate is one thing, a personal insult throwing match is something different.Posters should accept criticism to their comments with out denouncing or sl agging off the critics.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
11:31am Wed 21 May 08
DarkAuror wrote:I am not that naive to believe that the council can do anything. We waste alrady enough money on them, I surely don't want them to claim more money to deal with this type of issue.
Taxpower wrote:Taxpower, you said that you'll defend your RIGHT to sleep. I asked you in a previous thread if you reported it to the council which you replied I was naive. I was wondering what you were doing to exercise your RIGHT, if the authorities haven't been informed about it. Discussing your issue on a public forum is not the correct way of doing it, surely?DarkAuror wrote:I will defend my right to sleep and have a peaceful life with bites and nails. Nobody has more rights than me. If I want to sleep, I have the right to. Hotshots like you intoxicated by Topgun movies wants to fly and think they above the law, think again!Taxpower wrote:And this is from the person who wants to get rid of the Police/Air Ambulance helicopter because it disturbs his sleep.KJ wrote: Nanny state? Teenagers??? what ahs this got to do with a 7/8 yr old walking to school on their own?? Your really scraping the barrel for an argument here. At the end of the day this child should have been walking with a parent. Thats that.where do you get that rule that parents have to walk, drive their chidlren to school, where is the Law? Grow up, travel, and you will find that Children in this country need less mothering and a bit more autonomy. The UK is one of the Safest country in the World, stop being intoxicated with what the media are dishing out and try to think for yourself, don't give in to the paranoia. I seriously think that IQ tests should be taken before giving the right to vote, most of you are really naive
DarkAuror, Swindon says...
11:33am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:So if you don't mind makes it alright to post derogative comments about other posters then?
DarkAuror wrote: I think this is where the web team should step in. A debate is one thing, a personal insult throwing match is something different.Posters should accept criticism to their comments with out denouncing or sl agging off the critics.Thats right, people dont have to agree with each others. No need to get personal, however I don't mind.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
11:34am Wed 21 May 08
KJ wrote:Brilliant, keep laughing...your meninges should be able to cope..
"I suggest YOU stay clear and wide, because you aint equipped nor skilled enough" Tax power nice debating skills there, a slight threat, good use of the english language. I bow down to your brain power and your common sense... sorry couldnt keep that up for too long. Am laughing so much i nearly spilt my cuppa.
Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon says...
11:37am Wed 21 May 08
KJ, says...
11:38am Wed 21 May 08
mr big, Swindon says...
11:38am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:You are out of order this is a debate not a "slag off peoples parents" forum. As Taxpayer does not agree with you his parents MUST NOT love him. Well done you are so clever
Who else gets the feeling Taxpowers parents didn't love him enough??? KJ - Completely and utterly agree with you
DarkAuror, Swindon says...
11:40am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:The council have a legal duty to follow up every Noise Nusience complaint. Unless you do something about it then you don't have a right?
DarkAuror wrote:I am not that naive to believe that the council can do anything. We waste alrady enough money on them, I surely don't want them to claim more money to deal with this type of issue.Taxpower wrote:Taxpower, you said that you'll defend your RIGHT to sleep. I asked you in a previous thread if you reported it to the council which you replied I was naive. I was wondering what you were doing to exercise your RIGHT, if the authorities haven't been informed about it. Discussing your issue on a public forum is not the correct way of doing it, surely?DarkAuror wrote:I will defend my right to sleep and have a peaceful life with bites and nails. Nobody has more rights than me. If I want to sleep, I have the right to. Hotshots like you intoxicated by Topgun movies wants to fly and think they above the law, think again!Taxpower wrote:And this is from the person who wants to get rid of the Police/Air Ambulance helicopter because it disturbs his sleep.KJ wrote: Nanny state? Teenagers??? what ahs this got to do with a 7/8 yr old walking to school on their own?? Your really scraping the barrel for an argument here. At the end of the day this child should have been walking with a parent. Thats that.where do you get that rule that parents have to walk, drive their chidlren to school, where is the Law? Grow up, travel, and you will find that Children in this country need less mothering and a bit more autonomy. The UK is one of the Safest country in the World, stop being intoxicated with what the media are dishing out and try to think for yourself, don't give in to the paranoia. I seriously think that IQ tests should be taken before giving the right to vote, most of you are really naive
Everyone has a right to vote, if they don't use it, they can't complain when the wrong person is elected.
emmylou83, Stratton says...
11:42am Wed 21 May 08
mr big wrote:Well you might want to tell taxpower that then.
emmylou83 wrote: Who else gets the feeling Taxpowers parents didn't love him enough??? KJ - Completely and utterly agree with youYou are out of order this is a debate not a "slag off peoples parents" forum. As Taxpayer does not agree with you his parents MUST NOT love him. Well done you are so clever
KJ, says...
11:42am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
11:43am Wed 21 May 08
DarkAuror wrote:No you are correct, that isn't right. So all should abstain.
Taxpower wrote:So if you don't mind makes it alright to post derogative comments about other posters then?DarkAuror wrote: I think this is where the web team should step in. A debate is one thing, a personal insult throwing match is something different.Posters should accept criticism to their comments with out denouncing or sl agging off the critics.Thats right, people dont have to agree with each others. No need to get personal, however I don't mind.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
11:46am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:lack of skills, and it shows how they paliate that. I can take the personal dives, but over that, it is very low and shows lack of respect, a general lack of class.
mr big wrote:Well you might want to tell taxpower that then.emmylou83 wrote: Who else gets the feeling Taxpowers parents didn't love him enough??? KJ - Completely and utterly agree with youYou are out of order this is a debate not a "slag off peoples parents" forum. As Taxpayer does not agree with you his parents MUST NOT love him. Well done you are so clever
emmylou83, Stratton says...
11:47am Wed 21 May 08
No you are correct, that isn't right. So all should abstain
Coz you never get personal do you taxpower???
We're completely going off in all directions the point is there is a very sick individual out there preying on young girls, we should be doing everything we can to keep them safe, now he knows the school are on to him whats stopping him going to another school and trying the same thing
KJ, says...
11:47am Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83, Stratton says...
11:49am Wed 21 May 08
lack of skills, and it shows how they paliate that. I can take the personal dives, but over that, it is very low and shows lack of respect, a general lack of class
We live in Swindon lets be fair we don't have class and umm Taxpower aty the risk of sounding childish you started the personal remarks yesterday, and today we're all stupid and niave because we want our children to be safe - how dare we
DarkAuror, Swindon says...
11:50am Wed 21 May 08
DarkAuror, Swindon says...
11:51am Wed 21 May 08
Russ The Manc, Swindon says...
11:54am Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
11:57am Wed 21 May 08
Robert Feal-Martinez wrote:I agree that as a parent we have a duty to nurture, protect. However I object to people and politician telling how to be a good parent. People have different character, strength, talents. Parents and children do not behave the same and therefore parenting is up to parents to chose what suits better their children needs and abilities.
Taxpower I fail to see any logic or purpose to your posts. My parents are indeed both now dead, but as was pointed out they successfully passed on the 'Good Parenting' skills to all us siblings, and we have duly passed them on to ours. That is how families operate in the real world, or good parenting ( as it happens I do not have to consult EP's, I have a diploma in Child Psychology, but that's another story). As for where it says and 8 year old should not be unaccompanied, that would be The Children and Youngs Persona Act as suoerceded by the Children Act, which places legally responsibility on parents not to expose their children, to moral or physical harm.
mr big, Swindon says...
12:00pm Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:If taxpayer has been out of order then he should be ashamed of himself.
mr big wrote:Well you might want to tell taxpower that then.emmylou83 wrote: Who else gets the feeling Taxpowers parents didn't love him enough??? KJ - Completely and utterly agree with youYou are out of order this is a debate not a "slag off peoples parents" forum. As Taxpayer does not agree with you his parents MUST NOT love him. Well done you are so clever
2 wrongs do not make a right. Are you a parent? if so can i suggest you teach you kids this point.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
12:02pm Wed 21 May 08
KJ wrote:KJ, I do not seek agreement. I have my own mind. and I will stick with my view that it isn't more dangerous to leave an 8 year old walking to schools than it is to let a teenager going out out. you can agree or disagree thats entirely up to you.
Taxpower wasnt you the one that started the personal slagging off purely because no one agreed with you and your opinions?
emmylou83, Stratton says...
12:03pm Wed 21 May 08
If taxpayer has been out of order then he should be ashamed of himself.
2 wrongs do not make a right. Are you a parent? if so can i suggest you teach you kids this point.
I'm only 24 faaaaar too young to be thinking about children just yet, I'll stick with my godchild and my friends children for now.
I am aware 2 wrongs do not make a right but I am also a firm believer in giving as good as I get
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
12:05pm Wed 21 May 08
Russ The Manc wrote:thanks for the cuddles, appreciated.
Big cuddles for Taxpower who has obviously been deprived of love for a long time to come out with some of the utter tripe he has stated above. Do you have children of your own Taxpower ( hope not) If you dont then you have no idea what its like to be a parent these days kids stabbing each other etc. Open your eyes its not a nice place out there..?
You need to open your eyes, Swindon is a very safe place comparatively to the rest of the UK. And if you manage to get out your hotel resort on holiday abroad, you will find that Swindon is an extremely safe place to Live.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
12:11pm Wed 21 May 08
mr big wrote:I am never out of order unless I have to. I DID apologise to emmylou83 yesterday. But today she stepped out of the line and I will not apologise for my comments: derogatory or not. Something to teach children also : Principles
emmylou83 wrote:If taxpayer has been out of order then he should be ashamed of himself. 2 wrongs do not make a right. Are you a parent? if so can i suggest you teach you kids this point.mr big wrote:Well you might want to tell taxpower that then.emmylou83 wrote: Who else gets the feeling Taxpowers parents didn't love him enough??? KJ - Completely and utterly agree with youYou are out of order this is a debate not a "slag off peoples parents" forum. As Taxpayer does not agree with you his parents MUST NOT love him. Well done you are so clever
emmylou83, Stratton says...
12:13pm Wed 21 May 08
am never out of order unless I have to. I DID apologise to emmylou83 yesterday. But today she stepped out of the line and I will not apologise for my comments: derogatory or not. Something to teach children also : Principles
And I'm not apologising for mine, I have principles thanks and I stick to mine just like you stick to yours. we're not going to agree on this subject so we should just agree to disagree.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
12:24pm Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83 wrote:Just grow up thats all and leave peoples parents alone. It won't do you any good. Try to get over an argument without your female emotions taking over. cheers
am never out of order unless I have to. I DID apologise to emmylou83 yesterday. But today she stepped out of the line and I will not apologise for my comments: derogatory or not. Something to teach children also : PrinciplesAnd I'm not apologising for mine, I have principles thanks and I stick to mine just like you stick to yours. we're not going to agree on this subject so we should just agree to disagree.
Russ The Manc, Swindon says...
12:29pm Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83, Stratton says...
12:33pm Wed 21 May 08
Just grow up thats all and leave peoples parents alone. It won't do you any good. Try to get over an argument without your female emotions taking over. cheers
Oh I give up. I try to end this and then you go and bring "my emotions" into it. Next you'll be blaming my outbursts on PMT. I suggest you take your own advice and grow up!
StFc, Swindon says...
12:35pm Wed 21 May 08
You are bored because you are skipping classes and cannot be bothered to get a job. So you are on here winding people up (again, two days in a row) for something to do.
KJ, says...
12:37pm Wed 21 May 08
LordBelacqua, Swindon says...
12:41pm Wed 21 May 08
Just grow up thats all and leave peoples parents alone. It won't do you any good. Try to get over an argument without your female emotions taking over. cheers
Back to school, young'un. Your teacher's waiting.
doug@homefarm, SN1 says...
12:42pm Wed 21 May 08
LordBelacqua, Swindon says...
12:46pm Wed 21 May 08
StFc wrote:We have a winner ;)
Taxpower, let me guess. You are a 1st year Student, studying English although not doing too well. You are bored because you are skipping classes and cannot be bothered to get a job. So you are on here winding people up (again, two days in a row) for something to do.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
12:53pm Wed 21 May 08
StFc wrote:Thanks for joining us, how was your school van trip?
Taxpower, let me guess. You are a 1st year Student, studying English although not doing too well. You are bored because you are skipping classes and cannot be bothered to get a job. So you are on here winding people up (again, two days in a row) for something to do.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
12:55pm Wed 21 May 08
LordBelacqua wrote:ahahaha, well good try, but far from a hit. do you have something interesting to say or just having a go?
Just grow up thats all and leave peoples parents alone. It won't do you any good. Try to get over an argument without your female emotions taking over. cheersBack to school, young'un. Your teacher's waiting.
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
12:57pm Wed 21 May 08
doug@homefarm wrote:I am "comming " back LOL
The web team have put on another article about the 'chopper', he's gone over there, given that his last post ended with 'cheers, I don't think he's comming back.
LordBelacqua, Swindon says...
1:02pm Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:Well now, that depends. Are you going to stop debating like a 5-year-old on too many E-numbers?
LordBelacqua wrote:ahahaha, well good try, but far from a hit. do you have something interesting to say or just having a go?Just grow up thats all and leave peoples parents alone. It won't do you any good. Try to get over an argument without your female emotions taking over. cheersBack to school, young'un. Your teacher's waiting.
Maiden, Swindon says...
1:09pm Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:Yes actually. They both have mobiles phones which have been registered on a special website, which means they can be tracked. If they go missing, whether their phone is on or not, it can be tracked.
Maiden wrote: I have two kids, aged 6 and 7. If I lose sight of them when we are out, even at the park, I panic. I fully admit to being an over protective Mother BUT they are utterly irreplaceable, one oversight could result in them being gone forever, as the McCanns found out. I agree they are partly to blame, I would NEVER leave my kids unattended, even in their onw home, let alone abroad, while I went out. I know there are parents who believe in the laid back approach but for me, the tiny weeny chance that something might happen to them is far too big a risk. They are not wrapped in cotton wool though, they do all sorts of activities and have a full and happy life, but under my watchful eye. My kids will not become a victim of some dirty filthy perv, if that is what this red van driver is.have you ever considered implanting them with a GPS device?
Maiden, Swindon says...
1:11pm Wed 21 May 08
Taxpower wrote:Yes actually. They both have mobiles phones which have been registered on a special website, which means they can be tracked. If they go missing, whether their phone is on or not, it can be tracked.
Maiden wrote: I have two kids, aged 6 and 7. If I lose sight of them when we are out, even at the park, I panic. I fully admit to being an over protective Mother BUT they are utterly irreplaceable, one oversight could result in them being gone forever, as the McCanns found out. I agree they are partly to blame, I would NEVER leave my kids unattended, even in their onw home, let alone abroad, while I went out. I know there are parents who believe in the laid back approach but for me, the tiny weeny chance that something might happen to them is far too big a risk. They are not wrapped in cotton wool though, they do all sorts of activities and have a full and happy life, but under my watchful eye. My kids will not become a victim of some dirty filthy perv, if that is what this red van driver is.have you ever considered implanting them with a GPS device?
emmylou83, Stratton says...
1:40pm Wed 21 May 08
Yes actually. They both have mobiles phones which have been registered on a special website, which means they can be tracked. If they go missing, whether their phone is on or not, it can be tracked.
MAiden that is a fab idea although I do think ages 6-7 is too young to have a mobile that is the day and age we live in now
Taxpower, Swinetown says...
1:43pm Wed 21 May 08
LordBelacqua wrote:dont get me started again pls, I was just starting to enjoy it
Taxpower wrote:Well now, that depends. Are you going to stop debating like a 5-year-old on too many E-numbers?LordBelacqua wrote:ahahaha, well good try, but far from a hit. do you have something interesting to say or just having a go?Just grow up thats all and leave peoples parents alone. It won't do you any good. Try to get over an argument without your female emotions taking over. cheersBack to school, young'un. Your teacher's waiting.
Becs, Liden says...
2:02pm Wed 21 May 08
As someone pointed out, lots of children living in Eldene wont need to cross a road to go to school and while, personally I think 8 years old is a little too young to be walking to school, I can kind of understand it. And lets be honest, they'll hardly likely to be alone (meeting friends on the way - it's very busy around school times..) lets not forget either, that there were also year 6's targetted who are 10/11 years old. I live in Liden but closer to Eldene shops and my daughter goes to Liden school now and she walks to school on her own/with her friend. When she starts secondary school she'll have to get a bus to school (St Joes) so do you think I should be taking her every day then expect her to be grown up the minute she starts secondary school? It's not that simple as most of you parents will know... giving them freedom gradually is the best way to do it so they become aware and used to different surroundings.
Let us use our energies being vigilant and keeping everyone out of danger rather than pointing the finger...
Maiden, Swindon says...
2:03pm Wed 21 May 08
emmylou83, Stratton says...
2:21pm Wed 21 May 08
Maiden wrote:Ok thats not quite so bad then and I understand your reasoning to do it, it just shocks me that children of that age can have a top of the range mobile phone
Emmylou, its a £20 pay as you go. I see it as a security device, not a luxury. They both know how to answer it if it rings, thats good enough for me! Imagine of maddy had one in her pocket which had been registered? Might, just might, be a distant memory of a little girl who was missing for a few hours, not over a year. Same with Shannon Matthews. Neither of them are flash enough to steal!
Maiden, Swindon says...
2:28pm Wed 21 May 08
ko, parks says...
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ko, parks says...
3:25pm Wed 21 May 08
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