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Fancy a free trip to the seaside?
8:25am Tuesday 1st July 2008
Comments (35)WALCOT Community Shop in Sussex Square is offering single parents and couples on social security benefits a free trip to the seaside.
The daytrip to Weston-Super-Mare is designed for low-income families to enjoy a day out without worrying about the pennies.
A coach will leave from outside the shop at 8.30am on August 13 and will leave Weston-Super-Mare to return at 4pm.
Anyone who is interested and would like more information can contact shop manager Ellen Aldred on 01793 512878.
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Mumstheword, Walcot says...
3:47pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Although is is just for DHSS families? There are many families who work but are on a very low income and wouldnt be able to afford a trip.
I totally agree with you and I don't think it's fair. I will pop in and have a chat to Ellen the shop manager.
Frontier(s), says...
3:52pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Many parents both work and still only bring home less than a, pro rata, than many single parents get once all their various benefits, wages and tax credits are added up.
Yet they are ignored.
It's much the same as the recent 'Equality' Bill, which actively discriminates against white males.
That's Labour for you... the most discriminatory government in the history of this country, whilst all the while pretending to stand against discrimination.
Liars and cheats, the lot of them.
Peeved, Swindon says...
3:55pm Tue 1 Jul 08
I am all for helping those who are less well off than others but surely the money spent on this jolly could find a better home.
emmylou83, Stratton says...
4:38pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Mumstheword, Walcot says...
5:12pm Tue 1 Jul 08
emmylou83 wrote:Thanks emmy, you are right.
They aren't all like that round that way you know.
I applaud the shop for doing something positive for the people of Walcot, however I think it should be for all families in the area, not just those on beneifts and I will put that point across to them. But this is a good start imho. Lets not get into the council estates debate thing now, it's getting boring.....
pitbull, swindon says...
6:21pm Tue 1 Jul 08
kyoceran, swindon says...
6:32pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Captain Sensible, Near Swindon says...
7:11pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Donkey, Swindon says...
7:45pm Tue 1 Jul 08
The Adver is playing with the social fabric of those who find themselves a little less well-off than some ... it is not clever journalism ... it just leads to twisted comments from the usual writers of nastiness on here.
Mumstheword, Walcot says...
8:41pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Dont blame Blair and Brown or the Adver for this one! Sometimes you cant do right for doing wrong.
oldcrone, swindon says...
10:54pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Frontier(s), says...
10:09am Wed 2 Jul 08
emmylou83 wrote:emmylou, your constant posts about how 'not everyone is like that' are getting a bit meaningless.
They aren't all like that round that way you know.
Everybody knows that not EVERYONE is like that, but everybody also knows that, thanks to the social engineering of the current government, there are an awful LOT of people like that around.
And Donkey should really be a bit more adult about things. We have every right to make comment about how our taxes are spent and on what kind of people we're being forced to fund.
oldcrone, swindon says...
11:42am Wed 2 Jul 08
Frontier(s) wrote:frontier...I think what is pretty meaningless and mean is to constantly put down others posts, when they are being positive and seeing the good in people.
emmylou83 wrote: They aren't all like that round that way you know.emmylou, your constant posts about how 'not everyone is like that' are getting a bit meaningless. Everybody knows that not EVERYONE is like that, but everybody also knows that, thanks to the social engineering of the current government, there are an awful LOT of people like that around. And Donkey should really be a bit more adult about things. We have every right to make comment about how our taxes are spent and on what kind of people we're being forced to fund.
You are perfectly able to put your opinions and views across....It is beyond me why you have to resort to personal attacks.
It is obvious that the ones with the most positive attitude on this site are young adults...that is such good news, and surely is to be applauded and encouraged!
After all nobody changed the world for the better by being negative!
yeti, swindon says...
11:55am Wed 2 Jul 08
we should and do send them on trips to the seaside to make them happy.
if i smile at my computer screen will it make it more upbeat.or will it continue to make me sick of the scrounging layabouts?
they should get a job and have their benefits scrapped.
child benefit for dole dossers should be abolished and working familys should get more help and thanks for paying into the governments coffers!
oldcrone, swindon says...
12:24pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Where single parents are concerned though, it is difficult to get a job that can pay enough for the cost of childcare, Although I know of a group of mums, a couple of them single, the other two on low income, that between them juggle jobs and childcare,there are many young mums and families that do the best they can under difficult circumstances, and for them to be offered a trip to the seaside is wonderful and encouragement for them that life isnt just one hard slog...why do some of you have such a problem with this?
Yes a few that are perhaps not so deserving may slip through the net so to speak but surely to goodness, that shouldnt make you begrudge some a trip that may be thier only break this year???
wendy, swindon says...
12:43pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Frontier(s), says...
12:57pm Wed 2 Jul 08
oldcrone wrote:
You are perfectly able to put your opinions and views across....It is beyond me why you have to resort to personal attacks.
I didn't make a personal attack about emmylou. All I pointed out was that it's a meaningless to always respond to people's comments about certain groups by simply saying, 'They're not all like that'. It's stating the obvious without actually disproving the original comments.
Of course not EVERY single Mum in the Walcot area has irresponsibly had children and sponge off the state - but many do, that's the point people are trying to make.
As for Donkey, well, I'm afraid he lives in such a bizarrely surreal world that it's very hard to take anything he posts too seriously.
And, as I said, people who are forced to hand over more taxes that at any point in this country's history do have a right to comment on those it is handed out to and do have a right (or should do, if we didn't like in such a Stalinist and undemocratic country) to decide what kind of social engineering it's spent on.
Even the experts now agree that the current benefit system actively keeps people thick, unemployed and unproductive - yet the likes of Donkey still views everyone who doesn't have much money as some kind of saint.
emmylou83, Stratton says...
1:41pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Frontier(s) wrote:Well if people know that EVERYONE is not like that why do YOU ALL (yourself included Mr I think I'm better than everyone else) automactically start slating the people that live in the area.
emmylou83 wrote: They aren't all like that round that way you know.emmylou, your constant posts about how 'not everyone is like that' are getting a bit meaningless. Everybody knows that not EVERYONE is like that, but everybody also knows that, thanks to the social engineering of the current government, there are an awful LOT of people like that around. And Donkey should really be a bit more adult about things. We have every right to make comment about how our taxes are spent and on what kind of people we're being forced to fund.
I have very good friends who live in the area and this trip would be great for them.
Frontier(s), says...
2:43pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Well if people know that EVERYONE is not like that why do YOU ALL (yourself included Mr I think I'm better than everyone else) automactically start slating the people that live in the area.
Because SOME of the people that live there are exactly as described above.
Emmylou, you seem to think that because not EVERYONE who lives there is like that then nobody can comment on the ones that ARE like that.
I don't think I'm better than EVERYONE else but I do KNOW that I'm better than irresponsible, bad parents who sponge off the rest of us.
When it comes down to it, if it wasn't for those of us who work and have our money stolen from us by the government, those people wouldn't even be able to have the kids and benefits that they do.
It's about time some of them realised that.
They seem to think their house and benefits comes out of thin air.
It doesn't, it comes directly out of YOUR and MY pocket. So, yes, **** right I'll say what I like about people that WE are paying for.
emmylou83, Stratton says...
2:58pm Wed 2 Jul 08
It really gets to me when people tar people with the same brush, i'm not saying we all have to be happy smilely and wonderful all time but ONCE just ONCE can't we focus on the good???
Frontier(s), says...
3:40pm Wed 2 Jul 08
It can only be a good thing for them to see that life isn't just a grotty council estate in Swindon.
Nobody is saying that the types of family above should not get these opportunities.
What I am saying is that it seems to me that it's always single Mums and unemployed people that get all the attention.
There are hundreds of thousands of families where Mum and Dad make a go of it, they both work but do not have well paid jobs and yet they're sidelined almost completely.
It's unfair to exclude those people, that's all.
Why can't these trips to the seaside be offered on an individual basis, each judged on its merits - rather than just say 'Free trips for single parents and unemployed people'?
It's plain discrimination.
oldcrone, swindon says...
3:40pm Wed 2 Jul 08
you seem to just be banging on about your views, not talking about the subject in discussion, and arguing against anyone who should dare to make an opinion about the story we are actually commenting under.
You are very clever with words and very knowledgable...but you are trying to call white black all the time!
Frontier(s), says...
3:46pm Wed 2 Jul 08
"WALCOT Community Shop in Sussex Square is offering single parents and couples on social security benefits a free trip to the seaside."
I am very much talking about the case in point where parents who work but don't earn enough to take their own kids away are being excluded from this opportunity.
If that isn't discrimination, I don't know what is.
Frontier(s), says...
3:49pm Wed 2 Jul 08
working families who are on low income should get more help,
That's your quote oldcrone - we're sayign the same thing, so I have no idea why you claim that I'm trying to twist things.
emmylou83, Stratton says...
3:55pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Frontier(s), says...
4:05pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Not so cool for those who'll be excluded even though they work hard and still can't afford a holiday.
emmylou83, Stratton says...
4:16pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Frontier(s) wrote:you can't say something good and leave it at that can you? LOL
It's definitely good for the 'select' type who get to benefit from it. Not so cool for those who'll be excluded even though they work hard and still can't afford a holiday.
I work hard and I can't afford a holiday I don't expect someone to send me on a jolly - although it would be nice.
oldcrone, swindon says...
4:25pm Wed 2 Jul 08
It seems you are being negative about the seaside trip because you are peppering your comments with something that doesnt apply.
Lets applaud the lady for thinking of others and organising this trip...I hope also that some low income families can go on it too (I am sure that will be the case).
You know, we all have our concerns and frustrations about the way things are, I am not particularily a fan of the pc brigade...but for goodness sake..it seems that everytime an individual tries to make a difference or do something for the good...people come on here and moan and groan , bring the government into it blah blah.
There are other people who read the story, see the good, applaud the good, see how it could be improved and get out there and act upon it (im talking about mums the word).
Mumstheword, Walcot says...
4:42pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Now tell me those three young kids whose dad died don't deserve a day out at the seaside and there are many other similar stories ....
GOOD ON YOU WALCOT COMMUNITY SHOP!
Frontier(s), says...
4:57pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Nobody is saying that free holidays for those who can't afford them are a bad thing.
What is wrong is that the free holiday opportunities appears to be targeted solely at single parents and the unemployed.
That is not fair, anymore than it would be fair to deliberately exclude single parents and the unemployed (and you can bet your last penny that Mumsthewor etc. would be up in arms if that ever happened!)
Mumstheword, Walcot says...
5:12pm Wed 2 Jul 08
And Frontier please do not think you know what I would and wouldn't be up in arms about!
yeti, swindon says...
5:20pm Wed 2 Jul 08
we all know that many on that bus to weston super mud will be the low life scum that we are all sick and tired of funding.
ie=some valid cases and deserved,others not.
Frontier(s), says...
5:23pm Wed 2 Jul 08
And Frontier please do not think you know what I would and wouldn't be up in arms about!
Oh, trust me, it's very predictable... just as I'm sure you find my posts are.
Mumstheword, Walcot says...
5:27pm Wed 2 Jul 08
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oldcrone, swindon says...
3:10pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Although is is just for DHSS families? There are many families who work but are on a very low income and wouldnt be able to afford a trip.