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Keep cameras for safe roads

1:19pm Friday 18th July 2008

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SWINDON Council must not go "cold turkey" with speed cameras.

That is the opinion of road safety campaigner Andrew McGavin, the founder of website BetterDrivingPlease.com.

Andrew believes that Swindon Council has an opportunity to give the town some of the safest roads in the UK.

But only if it does not drop funding for speed cameras.

His comments came in response to news that the council could become the first in the country to stop funding for speed cameras in the town.

Instead, Andrews feels the council should move funding from speed cameras to human policing over a number of years, and target the minority of persistent offenders.

Andrew said: "Scrapping all speed cameras is not the answer.

"Yes, it would be a popular thing to do as the public see them as Government cash generators.

"But there is a place for speed cameras in keeping roads safe.

"They need to be used correctly to target the most dangerous drivers, rather than those doing a few miles per hour over the speed limit.

"Then the public will see them as the valuable tools they are."

Andrew points to an example in Europe where public attitudes to speed cameras have been transformed.

In Sweden the authorities have used them to alter driving rather than being perceived as a source of revenue.

He added: "While scaling down some of the worst excesses of speed cameras Swindon Council should invest in more human traffic policing to support the police, similar to the way community support officers are used on the streets.

"Indiscriminate use of speed cameras with low police visibility has alienated the public.

"But the council is thinking differently and Swindon has the opportunity to have the safest roads in the UK in a few years."

BetterDrivingPlease.com has had more than 1.5 million visitors who have reported sightings of bad driving or searched through the 15,000 available.

Anyone who spots any form of bad driving can report the number plate of the offending vehicle, what happened and where for public viewing.


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yeti, swindon says...
1:41pm Fri 18 Jul 08

i agree with everything the bloke says above.but dont like the idea of his website at all

Frontier(s), says...
2:12pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Simply setting up a curtain twitching website does not make Andrew McGavin any more an expert on this matter than you or I.

Frankly, this is a man who encourages grasses, snitches and liars to make annonymous comments about others, so his credibility it pretty much shot from the outset.

Gentle Ben, swindon says...
2:15pm Fri 18 Jul 08

I disagree with everything that super grass has to say.

A driver will lower there speed for a short time as they drive pass a speed camera, and other than this the camera has little or no effect on the drivers actions or speed anywhere else on the same length of road, especially over a period of time when the locals get to know where they are situated.

Speed humps however control a drivers speed for the whole length of the road, which is a far more effective method of reducing a drivers speed.

There are more efficient forms of speed and traffic control measures that can be be used instead of speed cameras, and I hope Rod Bluh and the council have the courage of their convictions to stay on their present course, and they have my full backing.

Frontier(s), says...
2:18pm Fri 18 Jul 08

I'd second Gentle Ben's final comments - I support SBC's stance on speed cameras 100%.

I truly hope they have the courage of their convictions and make their plans reality.

To go back on them now and to keep the speed cameras would mean the Tory council would lose all credibility in most people's eyes.

And anyway, if you need a bigger pointer as to the fact speed cameras should be removed, Anne Snelgrove says they shouldn't be.

Kind of ends the debate really.

Buster, Town Centre says...
2:32pm Fri 18 Jul 08

I agree Yeti, I think his website is appalling. I checked it out once to see what the self appointed 'good drivers' of Swindon had to say. The quality of their posts and the types of issues they complain about don't present them in a good light. One woman on there who calls herself Jenny said this about a so-called incident in Wescott Place "Taxi was driving erratically down dual carriageway and on reaching roundabout, moved into right hand lane and indicated to go right but actually cut up other traffic and turned left."

For the life of me I don't know of a dual carriage way in Wescott Place. If these people want to be picky about other road users to the point where they actually publish car registration numbers, then they should at least be clear about what they're complaining about and where it happened.

emmylou83, Stratton says...
2:35pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Speed humps however control a drivers speed for the whole length of the road, which is a far more effective method of reducing a drivers speed.


Yeah but they can't half do damage to your car, going over the ones in pinehurst extremely slowly still knock my car from piller to post :o( poor betty we don't do down there anymore

LordBelacqua, Swindon says...
2:41pm Fri 18 Jul 08

emmylou83 wrote:
Speed humps however control a drivers speed for the whole length of the road, which is a far more effective method of reducing a drivers speed.
Yeah but they can't half do damage to your car, going over the ones in pinehurst extremely slowly still knock my car from piller to post :o( poor betty we don't do down there anymore
Amen to that. Poor little Violet nearly had a heart attack when we went down there for the first time.

Frontier(s), says...
2:49pm Fri 18 Jul 08

LordBelacqua wrote:
emmylou83 wrote:
Speed humps however control a drivers speed for the whole length of the road, which is a far more effective method of reducing a drivers speed.
Yeah but they can't half do damage to your car, going over the ones in pinehurst extremely slowly still knock my car from piller to post :o( poor betty we don't do down there anymore
Amen to that. Poor little Violet nearly had a heart attack when we went down there for the first time.
How odd, I'd always thought you were male, LordB.

LordBelacqua, Swindon says...
2:51pm Fri 18 Jul 08

How odd, I'd always thought you were male, LordB.


My car is rather feminine, I thought that as my first car she deserved a name, and Violet seemed most appropriate after discussion with Emmy.

Frontier(s), says...
2:52pm Fri 18 Jul 08

You really named your car?

LordBelacqua, Swindon says...
2:56pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Frontier(s) wrote:
You really named your car?
I most certainly did. I'm not the first of my friends to do it either. My friend had an old '90 fiesta. Called it Frederick Arthur Wilhem I/II/III/IV, depending the number of cylinders that were working on any given day.

emmylou83, Stratton says...
3:02pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Frontier(s) wrote:
LordBelacqua wrote:
emmylou83 wrote:
Speed humps however control a drivers speed for the whole length of the road, which is a far more effective method of reducing a drivers speed.
Yeah but they can't half do damage to your car, going over the ones in pinehurst extremely slowly still knock my car from piller to post :o( poor betty we don't do down there anymore
Amen to that. Poor little Violet nearly had a heart attack when we went down there for the first time.
How odd, I'd always thought you were male, LordB.
Hehehe
He is but we went for a drive in Betty and we decided to name his car too :o)

chris, swindon says...
3:35pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Wow 1.5 million people with nothing better to do with their time, and what are these people concerntrating on whilst they are spotting all the bad driving.

Grumpy old man, Swindon says...
4:04pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Hey, he got some more free advertising while offering an opinion on something he has no authority on!

Taxpower, Swinetown says...
4:21pm Fri 18 Jul 08

How many accidents on any stretch of road prior to the camera and how many accidents on the same stretch after the installation? anyone got some data to share?

yeti, swindon says...
4:29pm Fri 18 Jul 08

there was a recent accident right by the camera on queens drive recently.i dont know the details, but driving towards town there are clear paint markings from the police on the road.


geoff reid, says...
4:41pm Fri 18 Jul 08



My view on Andrew McGavin could be described as 'minimalist'.


He's an utter **** who thinks the East German Stasi had neighbourhood policing 'just right'.


firkhamhall, out of Swindon says...
8:18am Sat 19 Jul 08

If Swindon does stop using these 'safety' cameras and the accident rate doesn't go up, then it would prove that these things don't make a difference and they are in fact, just cash generators.

steve-o, Swindon says...
11:21am Sat 19 Jul 08

How sad naming cars, but not surprised when seeing who's posting mmmmm

Ankh, Morpork says...
1:55pm Sat 19 Jul 08

That site is complete w**k, I've just had a look at it, what a bunch of saddos these people are. What is the point of it, none that I can see, do you think the police are going to go knocking these so called bad driver's doors. i dont think so. Some of the posters must spend alot of their time trying to spot bad driving rather than concentrating on their own driving...K**bs

Frontier(s), says...
2:03pm Sat 19 Jul 08

Well said, Ankh.

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