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Cabbies angry at window tint ban


TAXI drivers have blasted a council clampdown on tinted windows.

Under changes to the Hackney Carriage and Private Hire licence conditions, no new licences will be given to cars with tinted windows.

Taxis and private hire cars currently on the road will need to strip their windows by 2010.

The amendments were made because of concerns over driver visibility, difficulty in identifying occupants in the case of an accident and in seeing if passengers are wearing seatbelts.

The scheme has the backing of Wiltshire Police, Wiltshire Fire and Rescue and some taxi firms.

But drivers who contacted the Adver said the scheme was unfair.

Aklus Miah said that the council is putting added pressure on taxi drivers.

“When I first purchased my car I wasn’t told anything about not being able to have tinted windows,” he said.

“Then I heard that maybe new vehicles wouldn’t be allowed to have it, and now that even cars on the road will have to make the changes.

“Lots of people are angry about this.”

Margaret Wilkes said the cost of making the changes will be crippling.

She has already had to relinquish one vehicle because of the cost of converting it and worries about the cost for her remaining Mercedes Vito minibus, which will set her back at least £800.

She said: “We are struggling and this is making matters even worse.

“When I bought the car a year ago I wasn’t told anything about plans for tinted windows to be removed. The council should have let us know sooner.

“People like tinted windows. It makes them feel a bit special – like a celebrity.

“I know the council say it’s for safety and for making sure people are wearing their seatbelts, but we as drivers are obliged to make sure passengers are wearing them. They should trust us.”

A council spokesman said: “We’re asking taxi operators to remove window tints for safety reasons.

“The police and ambulance service have asked for this so they can see who is in a vehicle if it is involved in an accident, and it also reassures passengers because, if anything untoward is happening in the cab, people outside can see what’s going on.

“We originally asked all vehicles to comply with this regulation this year, but after listening to the concerns of some drivers we agreed to extend the deadline for existing vehicles until September 2010.

“However, all newly purchased vehicles will have to comply from now.”

Comments(26)

Concerned of Wiltshire says...
7:36am Fri 3 Oct 08

“People like tinted windows. It makes them feel a bit special – like a celebrity".

So this argument has two sides - on one the emergency services want tinted windows banned for a number of saftey related reasons. On the other side we need to pander to the sort of person whose idea of the high life is pretending to be a 'celebrity' whilst in a mini-cab. In Swindon.

Hmmm.


Swindon born n bred says...
7:45am Fri 3 Oct 08

All to easy to criticize the cabbie and the “celebrity” comment but let’s look at it from a business perspective.

If you’ve had your cab windows tinted (or bought a vehicle with tinted windows) and there was no information about this pending change, and it does cost several hundreds of pounds to have the tinting removed, this could push a number of cabbies to the wall.

It’s the same reasoning as ma that used when many many people deplored the Govt. for imposing retrospective changes to Vehicle Excise Duty – by making the new “green” VED apply to vehicles purchased before the legislation was thought of.

Perhaps the council should consider making the legislation apply only to new vehicles or vehicles purchased after all cabbies had been notified about the proposed change.

RF1 says...
7:46am Fri 3 Oct 08

The reasons, for once, make perfect sense to me......

Taffynut says...
8:09am Fri 3 Oct 08

It could be a matter of concealing the identy of a "would be" criminal travelling in the vehicle. In the old days every hackney carriage was constructed with clear windows back and front, these days it is"tinted" to show "celibrity status". I totally agree with the emergency services that all hackney cabs and private hire should remove the tints as in the event of a serious collision, they cannot tell if anyone is in the rear seats. It is a matter of time before it would actually happen on the road and someone was seriously injuried, matters with issuing licences can be deceiving as not ALL firms would declare that their vehicles are tint free, it should be given a rigorous inspection prior to issuing licences to firma. ALSO the driver should be aware that their driving licence must show acurate information as so many drivers these days are driving with a forged licence and endangering the life of the public.

john c says...
8:40am Fri 3 Oct 08

I can not see what grounds the drivers have to complain, they are being given a minimum of 2 years notice (depending on what month their licence is due for renewal). Even if you accept the £800* price quoted by the Vito driver as accurate then that is only £8 a week, hardly enough to drive anyone out of business.
*(this would have to be to replace the glass where as in reality most tints are just films they can be removed with a hairdryer and a sharp knife).

Bobfm says...
9:00am Fri 3 Oct 08

Call me old fashioned but I would never get in a taxi with tinted windows and neither would my wife. I can see absolutely no justification for them. However I do agree that the council should have just set a cut off date, IE as from !st of October (seems to be the new legislative date) No cars with tints will be registered.

Ankh says...
9:07am Fri 3 Oct 08

Yes , I often look at the hackney carriages driving down Faringdon Rd and think "there must be a celebrity in that cab, its got tinted windows". what a lame excuse. Anyone who feels special sat behind tinted glass is a bit sad.

Al Smith says...
9:12am Fri 3 Oct 08

Black tinted windows - for sad little people who need to feel like a celebrity.

I've spent time in the tropics and I can see why cars have them there. But not in gloomy England.

Even Angrier Monkey says...
9:17am Fri 3 Oct 08

So why are "ordinary" cars allowed to have tinted windows, but cabs are not?

If the reasons given are so important (and i really dont think they are) why can the local drug dealer totally black out the rear windows on his beemer but an honest cabbie cannot?

Casual Observer says...
9:26am Fri 3 Oct 08

I thought tinted windows were popular amongst boy-racers so when they disturb the neighborhood with their silly exhaust pipes nobody could recognise the knob that was driving. And now cabbies want them too? how odd.

Aspire to something better than faux-celebrity status, why don't you.

Malkym says...
10:56am Fri 3 Oct 08

I think everyone's looking at this issue through rose coloured spectacles!

P3 NAS Mark II says...
12:20pm Fri 3 Oct 08

When I bought the car a year ago I wasn’t told anything about plans for tinted windows to be removed.


Um, perhaps the Council didn't know the change was coming into force when you bought your new car.

The council should have let us know sooner.


I know, 14 whole months notice is appalling isn't it.

If they'd have been given five years notice they'd still moan.

Have any of these people actually asked the Council when they knew of the amendment to licence conditions?

scottyincs says...
12:40pm Fri 3 Oct 08

Can't they all just park in P...... and leave an empty wallet on their back seat and get it done on the insurance when some little wotsit breaks in?


Crepe Suzette says...
12:43pm Fri 3 Oct 08

“I know the council say it’s for safety and for making sure people are wearing their seatbelts, but we as drivers are obliged to make sure passengers are wearing them. They should trust us.”

Why ?? I've never seen a taxi driver with a seatbelt on - and no taxi driver has ever asked me to put mine on ( I do tho' because they drive like maniacs )

Even Angrier Monkey says...
1:04pm Fri 3 Oct 08

So who and where are these council employed people making sure passengers in cabs put on seatbelts?

Isnt that the individuals responsibilty?

**** nanny state....

Thandar says...
2:05pm Fri 3 Oct 08

It's going to be odd seeing into those stretched limos, and I wouldn't like the job of taking the tint off all those windows!

aynsley says...
2:14pm Fri 3 Oct 08

“I know the council say it’s for safety and for making sure people are wearing their seatbelts, but we as drivers are obliged to make sure passengers are wearing them. They should trust us.”

That's pretty funny. Can anyone ever remember seeing a taxi driver with a seatbelt on? I certainly have never seen one.

yeti says...
2:29pm Fri 3 Oct 08

i'm more concerned that alot of them drive like ****

Malkym says...
2:59pm Fri 3 Oct 08

yeti wrote:
i'm more concerned that alot of them drive like ****
That'll be cos they can't see through either the tinted windscreen or their shades - or both!

potluck says...
3:12pm Fri 3 Oct 08

So lets take a look at the ambulances around swindon, they have tinted glass, not everyone is strapped in as you see shadows moving about. they have as much risk of accidents as the cabbies, do we try to stop them. the simple answer is NO. common sense prevails, as with the cabbies as long as the drivers window / front passenger and windscreen is clear as stated by the goverments MOT testing guideline, who cares about the rear windows.

PeeGee says...
4:23pm Fri 3 Oct 08

Even Angrier Monkey wrote:
So why are "ordinary" cars allowed to have tinted windows, but cabs are not? If the reasons given are so important (and i really dont think they are) why can the local drug dealer totally black out the rear windows on his beemer but an honest cabbie cannot?
Quite right. There a many "normal2 family cars on sale with privacy glass as standard in the rear. If these issues are so important, why isn't there an outright ban. a comment from Wiltshire Police would have been useful.

RFM says...
4:47pm Fri 3 Oct 08

There have been lots of comments about people wanting to travel in a cab with blacked out windows to feel special etc.

In the vast majority of cases, taxi users will just get into whatever taxi comes up. I doubt there are very many people who phone up a taxi firm and order a taxi - but only on the proviso that it has blacked out windows.


Concerned of Wiltshire says...
5:10pm Fri 3 Oct 08

RFM wrote:
There have been lots of comments about people wanting to travel in a cab with blacked out windows to feel special etc. In the vast majority of cases, taxi users will just get into whatever taxi comes up. I doubt there are very many people who phone up a taxi firm and order a taxi - but only on the proviso that it has blacked out windows.
You make a valid point. But why then did the individuals in the picture above feel it necessary to fit the tinting?

Somebody else said it's akin to those losers who fit loud exhausts on their rubbish cars and I am inclined to agree.

Oxford says...
6:26pm Fri 3 Oct 08

I don’t care what colour glass people have in their cars, whether it be tinted, rose tinted or clear. However, there is a more pressing concern here, these cabbies look like they are from an ethnic group, so I would like to see them abide by this silly law just to keep the xenophobic hatred thing going and for my own nasty perverted gratification. And anyway, I’m sure that Saddam Binladen bloke has been travelling around in their cabs seeing what damage and destruction he can do to Swindon and surely that’s not his job, but the job of Swindon Borough Council.
And by the way, my security word is hate-note

Taffynut says...
9:15pm Fri 3 Oct 08

I agree with Yeti regarding driving around like ****, they are real LUNATICS with a FORGED licence. SBC cannot be bothered to check the authenic of the person and the licence. It is about time SBC pulled their socks up to their thighs and check, I am not a racist, but a law abiding citizen.
Most cabbies don't know where they are going around dear old Sindon.

rosti says...
1:37am Wed 8 Oct 08

as a female private hire driver i too have received a letter from swindon council but not until after i had bought my new vehicle. May i point out to all and sundry that whilst 2 years may seem reasonable to the person in the street any vehicle built as a family car i.e not a hackney is allowed by swindon council to be used as a private hire vehicle for a maximum of 5 years from the date of first registration and is inspected and licensed by the council every 12 months, private hire vehicles even have to be M.O.T'd from day 1 before they can be licensed. As for the remark that a person has never seen a cabbie wearing their seat belt, well i must be the exception to the rule then, because i always wear mine and ask my passengers to do so as well. It is amazing the number of adults who put the seat belts on their children but don't put them on themselves and when i ask them to they ask the reason why, not realising the danger if there were to be an accident. People do not seem to realise that the law states that where a seat belt is fitted into a vehicle it is the law to wear it and it the adult passenger who gets fined and not the driver. A driver gets fined when it is a child who is not wearing a seat belt. I am sure they would claim against the driver for any injuries but there have been instances reported in the press where such claims have been reduced because of not wearing a seat belt.

So please think of the driver and the responsibility they have for your safety whilst you are traveling in that vehicle, we want you to arrive at your destination safely.


Aklus Miah, left, and Azzies Miah, who want drivers to be able to keep their tinted windows Aklus Miah, left, and Azzies Miah, who want drivers to be able to keep their tinted windows

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