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We want free bus travel before 9.30am

PENSIONERS are urging Swindon Council to allow them free bus travel before 9.30am.

At the moment, under the concessionary bus pass scheme pensioners and disabled people can have free off-peak travel on buses up and down the country.

But some pensioners want Swindon Council to take the lead of councils such as Bath, where the scheme has been extended to start at 9am instead of 9.30am.

Les White, from Rodbourne Cheney, said: “I don’t see why they can’t extend the scheme to 9am – they can do it in places like Bath, so why can’t it be done here?

“It’s ridiculous that buses are going past half empty and there are people waiting to get on them.

“I have spoken to the managing director of Thamesdown Transport and he has said that as far as he’s concerned it is okay for us to use our bus passes on a bus a few minutes before 9.30am, but there are still drivers who refuse to let us on at 9.29am.

“As chairman of the Rodbourne Cheney Residents’ Association I have written to the council to tell them we think it’s a good idea to extend the scheme to 9am.”

Joyce Bishop, also from Rodbourne Cheney agreed, saying: “The problem is that a lot of people have appointments at doctors or hospitals and need to take the bus before 9am to make it.

“I often go to East Sussex but I have to pay for the first part of the journey or I wouldn’t get there in time. This is being done in other councils, so I don’t see why we should be penalised.”

Council leader Rod Bluh said the council had had research carried out which indicated the scheme would cost around £230,000 to implement.

He said: “It would be irresponsible in the current economic climate to spend taxpayers money on a scheme which would have a very minor effect. This is a national scheme and it should be paid for nationally.

“People are not being prevented from using their bus passes before 9.30am it’s just that they would have to pay, as they did before.”

North Swindon MP, Michael Wills said: “I am disappointed that Rod Bluh has reneged on the promise he gave me 18 months ago to do a survey on this issue.

“I don’t think my constituents will be reassured by his ‘research’ which gives an apparently arbitrary figure for what this might cost.

“Despite all my letters to him on this issue he has never had the consideration to share with me this “research”.

“I’m very surprised that the council has treated the concerns of these pensioners with such contempt.

“In these difficult economic times I am not asking the council to spend more money but only to conduct a survey to see whether passengers can get what they are asking for without any extra burden on the taxpayer.”

Comments(29)

Donkey says...
10:30am Tue 2 Dec 08

Once again, the Council and one of our MPs appear to be at odds over lack of consultation and debate regarding an issue which concerns residents of Swindon.

It's hard to understand this attitude and the hatred, and lack of respect, between local and national representatives really has to come to a halt. Residents should demand and deserve to have complete liaison between those they elect to do business for them. In a nutshell, figures must not be calculated by sticking a pin into a page of the Financial Times to come up with a likely or unlikely estimate on any proposal!

After all, this Council did fob us off with an out of thin air £100 Million to build a simple relief road between Thamesdown Drive (Prton Road) and Barnfield, when the massive works at the Blunsdon Bypass came in at under £65 Million! Abacus at work again!

trustnopolitician says...
10:42am Tue 2 Dec 08

Donkey is spot on!

Thats why I say we should be informed as to how the £230,000 is calculated. I'll bet there would be some illuminating answers.

Aren't most politicians self seeking which leads to the "hatred" between those of different political persuasions.

Let alone half truths,spin and distortions to suit their arguements.

tibbie says...
10:57am Tue 2 Dec 08

the problem here is that on weekends people can have free travel at any time, so if this is the case couldn't it also be agreed for people who carry free passes to use them any time during the week without any restrictions

Robh says...
11:48am Tue 2 Dec 08

They simply don't want working pensioners to have free travel in the mornings.

It is very inconvenient though. I have a hospital appointment at 9.00am and have to pay to get there but travel home free.

dc the 2nd says...
12:05pm Tue 2 Dec 08

sorry but i think the reason there is no free travel before 9.30am is to encourage oap's to travel off peak and leave the rush hour for people trying to get to work/college etc. This will reduce the load at peak times and ok fine sometimes oaps might have to pay to get to an appointment that cant be changed but i dont think its the councils job to provide free travel and do so when other users should be taking priority having paid full price.

my, im sure unpopular, two cents.

FunkyPablo says...
12:07pm Tue 2 Dec 08

dc the 2nd, agree 100%. I pay ludicrous bus fares to get to work, on time, every day. If I had to watch busses drive past me in the mornings because people were travelling for free, I'd be vexed.

TKD4ever says...
12:41pm Tue 2 Dec 08

I agree with dc the 2nd and FunkyPablo, if yiu have free travel but only after 9:30 then at least you have a choice, pay or wait until 9:30. I have no such choice I have to pay whatever time I travel.

Mum's The Word says...
1:43pm Tue 2 Dec 08

I think that there are two sides to this. I agree partly with what DC says, however I also acknowledge the point that Rob H makes about medical appointments before 9.30am.

I think that doctors surgeries and the hospital should take this fact into account when making a pensioner an appointment. However, I realise that this can't always be done. Couldn't we have a rule where if a pensioner has to have a medical appointment before 9.30am and needs to use public transport, then as long as they show the appointment card or letter to the driver, the fare could be wavered on those grounds?

Amy B Swindon says...
1:49pm Tue 2 Dec 08

I think alot of you are forgettiing a few things! Like the elderly that fought for their country, for US, in the world wars! Like the fact that alot of the disabled have disabilities because of what they have done for our country.
I believe if you work hard all your life and you pay your taxes, why should you not be entitled/rewarded by simple things in the winter of your life like free bus fare.
Little things like that make HUGE differences to peoples lives. Its a form of respect, you get out of life what you put into it.

dc the 2nd says...
1:57pm Tue 2 Dec 08

Hi Amy, they get a free bus fare, just not before 9.30am. This is regardless of your contribution to your country, which is good because if you slice any age demographic of society you'll always get people who have and have not contributed to the country.

FunkyPablo says...
2:33pm Tue 2 Dec 08

Amy, pensionable age for women is 60. Therefore a 60 year old woman today wouldn't even have been born 'during the waaaar'. It's a nonsense argument, no-one is saying take their free travel away from them - just leave it as is.

Terence says...
3:54pm Tue 2 Dec 08

Les White says “It’s ridiculous that buses are going past half empty and there are people waiting to get on them." Yes it is, why don't those silly people waiting at the bus stops go out after 09:30 then they wouldn't have to watch buses go past. It's sensible to get to an airport hours early, not a bus stop.

scottyincs says...
4:17pm Tue 2 Dec 08

Terence wrote:
Les White says “It’s ridiculous that buses are going past half empty and there are people waiting to get on them." Yes it is, why don't those silly people waiting at the bus stops go out after 09:30 then they wouldn't have to watch buses go past. It's sensible to get to an airport hours early, not a bus stop.
but they need to be on the bus that early so they can be queueing outside the post office in the freezing cold about 8.30 so that they don't have to queue inside the post office (in the relative warmth) for 5 minutes once it's opened of course!

peatmoor pirate says...
4:36pm Tue 2 Dec 08

There is no such thing as a free bus pass - they are paid for by the taxpayer, including pensioners.
The current system seems to work well enough for my retired parents in Swindon who have no sympathy for those who are not thankful for what they have got.

And it is about time that the they fought during the war argument was put to bed. You would have to be at least 81 by my reckoning to have been 18 in 1945; 87 to have been 18 in 1939. Let the 81+ year olds get on before 9.30 for free and the rest can pay before 9.30am.

john c says...
7:11pm Tue 2 Dec 08

Free travel before 09:30 for all OAP's if accompanied by both parents!!

Captain T says...
7:21pm Tue 2 Dec 08

One of the arguments put across here is that of not being able to make appointments before 9.30am.

Well if you're a pensioner, surely you don't have that hectic s schedule that you can't arrange an appointment after 9.30? I'm sorry but I just don't buy that point. If you want to use the free bus pass, arrange your life after 9.30 - it's only a half hour difference for crying out loud

Futures says...
11:27pm Tue 2 Dec 08

I'm a student. I don't get EMA, I don't get loads of money off of my parents and I work at Woolworths, a soon to be bust company.

I want free bus travel full stop!

Captain Sensible says...
5:03am Wed 3 Dec 08

Its not free, we all pay for this through the nose from our Council Tax. Buses are busy enough in the peak without being clogged up with airstealers. Hers a novelty, if you want to travel before 0930 then PAY. Far to many of these freeloading pensioners are quite able to afford bus fares, they don't all spend every day huddling around a candle unable to afford to heat there homes, shuffling off to the new library to keep warm.

tarot says...
8:23am Wed 3 Dec 08

Futures wrote:
I'm a student. I don't get EMA, I don't get loads of money off of my parents and I work at Woolworths, a soon to be bust company.

I want free bus travel full stop!
Try walking or get a bike.

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Al Smith says...
9:58am Wed 3 Dec 08

Why 9.30, most people start work at 9am (or earlier)!

How come it was never a problem when pensioners got those funny plastic bus tokens?

Pensioners pay taxes and pay council tax as well (consider what % of a pensioners monthly income goes on CT).

scottyincs says...
11:20am Wed 3 Dec 08

Just to further rub salt into the wounds, the rest of the councils in the county have paid extra so pass-holders can use the passes before 9.30

malkym1 says...
2:12pm Wed 3 Dec 08

Captain Sensible wrote:
Its not free, we all pay for this through the nose from our Council Tax. Buses are busy enough in the peak without being clogged up with airstealers. Hers a novelty, if you want to travel before 0930 then PAY. Far to many of these freeloading pensioners are quite able to afford bus fares, they don't all spend every day huddling around a candle unable to afford to heat there homes, shuffling off to the new library to keep warm.
You'd think the old coffin-dodgers could wait till 9.30 eh?

Always Grumpy says...
5:18pm Wed 3 Dec 08

Captain Sensible wrote:
Its not free, we all pay for this through the nose from our Council Tax. Buses are busy enough in the peak without being clogged up with airstealers. Hers a novelty, if you want to travel before 0930 then PAY. Far to many of these freeloading pensioners are quite able to afford bus fares, they don't all spend every day huddling around a candle unable to afford to heat there homes, shuffling off to the new library to keep warm.
Yes, I pay through the nose for this as well, but I also pay through the nose for a library service I do not use, a benefits system I do not use, street lighting all over the borough I do not use, education I do not use, etc etc..

Yes, I do use my bus pass and would benefit from being able to use it before 9.30 on occasions.

If we only paid for the services we use, then my council tax would drop dramatically, from it present £1600 a year to something a little more realistic. At the moment I'm getting very poor value for money from my council tax.

So pay for what you get? Bring it on.

Remember also, you'll be old one day!

Mick12 says...
10:58am Thu 4 Dec 08

Now that I have retired I have a bus pass and use it a couple of times a week, its great.
For the last 50 years I had to get up at 6.30 to get to work on time, Now that I have done my bit I quite welcome a lie in and sod going anywhere before 9.30.

Reader (R) says...
4:51pm Thu 4 Dec 08

I live in Hertfordshire and bus pass holders can catch a bus at anytime. And before you wonder where I popped up from I used to live in Swindon.

Mavis says...
5:45pm Thu 4 Dec 08

I know some Pensioners have been whinging that they can't get free travel before 09.30, The fuss they cause when trying to get on at 09.00 holds the bus up while they whinge and argue with the driver is unreal,

They have free bus service and the right to barge on and whinge at everyone what more do they want!!

Always Grumpy says...
6:58pm Thu 4 Dec 08

Mavis wrote:
I know some Pensioners have been whinging that they can't get free travel before 09.30, The fuss they cause when trying to get on at 09.00 holds the bus up while they whinge and argue with the driver is unreal,

They have free bus service and the right to barge on and whinge at everyone what more do they want!!
Yes, and no doubt you're on benefits and whinging you want more.

Futures says...
7:23pm Fri 5 Dec 08

Tarot, I live in Stratton, the idea of me walking to College on a daily basis is insanse, and as for riding a bike at that time of morning, no. Drivers are dodgy enough as it is, rush hour drivers are even worse.

Security word:
Up-Yours

Mavis says...
8:29pm Sat 6 Dec 08

Always Grumpy wrote:
Mavis wrote: I know some Pensioners have been whinging that they can't get free travel before 09.30, The fuss they cause when trying to get on at 09.00 holds the bus up while they whinge and argue with the driver is unreal, They have free bus service and the right to barge on and whinge at everyone what more do they want!!
Yes, and no doubt you're on benefits and whinging you want more.
Lol You are funny. Actually no, I'm not on benefits never have been, work at the hospital, so you know what they say never assume......

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