UWE is ready to take the plunge (From Swindon Advertiser)

He said: “We are absolutely committed to doing everything we can to bring a university to Swindon.

Why???

What's in it for them. There must be a financial gain like free land or something.

If UWE cares to test the waters, there is an empty college site going begging at Oakfield. I believe that the University of Bath spent a million pounds refurbishing it. As such it is purpose built for a university campus and with the Clare's Electrical site, as well, is more than enough to meet UWE's needs.

Robh

It matters not what is in it for them, why should it? More to the point what is in it for Swindon?

The pluses are immense.

It seems to me all the main issues raised by the Government Inspector in the Public Enquiry 2 years or so ago, have been addressed by Swindon Gateway.

SBC have said all along 'no university, no development' now we have a university lets get on with it, we've had the debate and the enquiry.

No more dilly dallying, more doing.

Swindon is becoming a laughing stock as it drags its heels on almost every issue of development, leaving the town looking like a bomb site.

We need urgent action all around, the time has come to act.

bampi

The issues raised by the planning inspector at the local plan inquiry were that the Oakfield Campus should remain vibrant and that a 10,000 sqm university facility should be established in central Swindon.

The Swindon Gateway planning application was a specific application to suit the needs of the University of Bath who upped sticks and went. UWE needs to do its own homework and consultation before it jumps on the Coate band-wagon.

It will be years before any development could take place at Coate - Oakfield Campus is there for the taking and the Clare's Electrical Site is already being cleared. Let's get on with using these sites first.

C'mon. There must be more to it than we read. Why are so many people outside of Swindon so concerned with providing this university.

It might be good for Swindon but why are these people so desperate to build one.

Felix A

I thought the enquiry was in respect of residential/industri
al development, an extension to GWH and a University at Coate/Commonhead.

I seem to remember the report stating that as long as the land for a university/education was allocated, there was no reason for the other development being held up.

It appears we now have all the pieces to the jigsaw that both the inspectorate and SBC wanted to develop Coate/Commonhead.

So please lets get on with it.

Since UWE say they don't mind where there are sited in Swindon then as has already been stated why not use the old Oakfield Campus it will save the need to build on Coate Water.
What nobody has yet mentioned is that if you build on Coate Water then where will all the water go when it rains, who will want to buy property which is likely to flood in the winter?

TKD4ever

Coate is NOT going to be built on-end of-amen.

What everybody is on about lately is congestion in our town centres; congestion charges and all that. Coate is the obvious place for our state of the art university, stop fighting it.

bampi wrote:
TKD4ever Coate is NOT going to be built on-end of-amen. What everybody is on about lately is congestion in our town centres; congestion charges and all that. Coate is the obvious place for our state of the art university, stop fighting it.

So are you for or against building on Coate as you claim is NOT going to be built on and then say it's the obvious place to build the university.
With regards congestion, if you try and drive up Marlborough Road after 8:30 in the morning you will see that it is also congested so surely putting the university on a site next to Marlborough Road will only add to the congestion not help eliminate it.

TKD4ever

Its not Coate that will be built on its the fields to the North/East of Coate.
As you say the traffic on Marlborough Road is very congested, this would be added to if a Uni was sited in the town centre.

Site a Uni at Commonhead and traffic from outside the town going to it, will stay outside the town, also traffic would leave town to get to it to work etc.

bampi
'As you say the traffic on Marlborough Road is very congested, this would be added to if a Uni was sited in the town centre.'
How? Marlborough Road is miles from the town centre and over the other side of great big hill!

Ho hum

Where are the cars on Marlborough Road going-come on you can do it-yes-the town centre.

By the by cars can go over hills, even great big ones!

Commonhead is a roundabout with a hospital next to it.

Coate is the little hamlet between the hospital and Coate Water.

Coate Water is in Coate.

The proposed development stops at the fence that surrounds Coate Water Country Park.

The development would overlook Coate Water and views of the open countryside and hills from Coate Water would be obliterated by buildings - some 5 stories high next to the nature reserve. As the land is on a rise, the buildings will be very instrusive.

People go to Coate Water for various reasons - e.g. to relax, to walk, to enjoy the views and to watch the wildlife. Surrounding the lake with development will destroy this experience. Open space is essential for good health.

The countryside next to Coate Water is the last place in Swindon that should be considered for building. As it is the Highways Agency won't allow access to the proposed building site from the motorway or the A419. All the traffic would have to enter from the Marlborough Road that is becoming congested because of the hospital presence. This is assuming that people still have cars in a few years time.

Well you got me a good 'un there, bampi, and I apologise! Fancy me forgetting that ALL cars on Marlborough Road are going to the town centre.

Ho hum

You are very gratious in defeat. Thank you.

Unbelievable!

Ho hum! wrote:
bampi 'As you say the traffic on Marlborough Road is very congested, this would be added to if a Uni was sited in the town centre.' How? Marlborough Road is miles from the town centre and over the other side of great big hill!

Marlborough Road is one of the main routes in to town and if the traffic signs are correct less that a mile from the town centre.
The other point to bear in mind is the issue of flooding, currently water flows in to the lake at Coate Water, take away the lake and what will happen to the water.
You can see this by looking at what has happened since they build on the old St Joseph's Upper School site, I have lived in Swindon over 30 years and in that time Greenbridge roundabout has flooded twice, both times over the last 12 months after they took away the school field to build houses. When I was at school, incidentally at St Joseph's, and it rained the water ran on to the school field, ok in the winter the field got water-logged which wasn't great when we had PE but at least it didn't flood the houses round the school, or the school itself.
Now look what's happened, we have the "Once in a hundred years flood" every six months or so. Build on Coate and this will only get worse. As I have said who will buy a house that floods every year.

Felix A

You are fully aware that a good percentage of the people who have allegedly signed the 'save coate pettition' have been mislead to believe Coate Water, as in the 'diving board' and its surrounding area will be built on.

This is not the case; the area to be developed is farm land privately owned and off limits to the people of Swindon anyhow.

Coate Water has a 'buffer zone' and is unaffected.

Amen

TKD4ever

Dear God how many more times -COATE WATER IS NOT GOING TO BE BUILT ON!

TKD4ever,

No-one is proposing to get rid of the lake, in fact the design guide for the uni and housing development states that new ponds will need to be constructed to drain the proposed development and prevent flooding.

There will be a buffer between the country park and the development. Using new fangled devices, such as computers, the planners can ensure that the new buildings will have a minimal effect on views into, or out of, the country park.

That said, I think a town centre location for the University would benefit the town as a whole a lot more than one out at Commonhead/Coate.

bampi wrote:
TKD4ever

Dear God how many more times -COATE WATER IS NOT GOING TO BE BUILT ON!

You'll have to keep saying that a thousand times before that hard core group of really thick people take it in. You might just as well hit your head against the Coate Water diving board before it sinks into to some people!

bampi wrote:
Felix A You are fully aware that a good percentage of the people who have allegedly signed the 'save coate pettition' have been mislead to believe Coate Water, as in the 'diving board' and its surrounding area will be built on. This is not the case; the area to be developed is farm land privately owned and off limits to the people of Swindon anyhow. Coate Water has a 'buffer zone' and is unaffected. Amen

We are all getting tired of telling people that Coate Water isn't part of the building plan. It was the Swindon Advertiser that kept spreading this myth. The vast majority of people who signed the petition are fully aware that it is the private land next to Coate Water that is under threat.

The signatures are all genuine although we did spot a couple of names next to one another on one sheet this summer that we crossed out. One of these was 'Donald Duck'. There is always a joker in the pack that spoils it.

As far as the buffer zone is concerned, it will do very little to protect the lovely views from Coate Water. It's only a few feet wide in places.

There are other features at Coate, beside Coate Water, that warrant protection from development.

Cheers for your support Always Grumpy. We live in hope?

Felix A

The petition form asks 'Do you want to see Coate Water Built On'. How misleading is that? Once people are told COATE WATER is not going to be built on and there is a 'buffer zone' in place, most people are unconcerned about development proposals; indeed they welcome them.

We all live in hope that the correct information reaches the public!

On the flooding issue, there is actually a concern that if more hard-surface is created at Coate/Badbury Wick, the run off into Coate Water and flows out along Dorcan Brook will exacerbate flooding further along the River Cole. We all know how easily the underpass under the Coate Roundabout floods too. Many of the old houses near the Spotted Cow are below ground level - the owners are very concerned that their houses will be flooded as a result of house-building on the field next to them.

I know that Day House Lane gets flooded in places already.

bampi wrote:
Felix A The petition form asks 'Do you want to see Coate Water Built On'. How misleading is that? Once people are told COATE WATER is not going to be built on and there is a 'buffer zone' in place, most people are unconcerned about development proposals; indeed they welcome them.

There is nothing in the petition about building on Coate Water.

This is the wording:

We, the undersigned, believe that development of the Coate area will have a devastating impact on wildlife at Coate Water nature reserve. It would desecrate an area that has strong historic, literary and recreational attractions and destroy the last remaining pocket of unspoilt countryside close to Swindon. Coate Water Site of Special Scientific Interest contributes to the very best of the rich variety and abundance of wildlife that makes England's nature special and distinct from any other country in the world.

We demand that a one kilometre buffer of land is left undeveloped next to Coate Water.

We call upon Swindon Borough Council to say NO to development at Coate.

Always Grumpy wrote:

bampi wrote: TKD4ever Dear God how many more times -COATE WATER IS NOT GOING TO BE BUILT ON!

You'll have to keep saying that a thousand times before that hard core group of really thick people take it in. You might just as well hit your head against the Coate Water diving board before it sinks into to some people!

The problem is once they start to build they wouldn't stop so you can say "They Would Build ON Coate Water" as often as you like I for one don't believe you.

After all when they built the Hospital they said that would be it but now they are talking about building more and more, they wouldn't stop until there is nowhere left to build.

So as I have already said nothing that is said officially can be believed either from the council, developers of the government.

Won't we still need Coate Water to feed the new canal system in town? That's why it was dug out in the 1st place!

On the issue of flooding, current planning policy (2006 onwards) makes it illegal to increase the risk of flooding to others as a result of new development. All applications are reviewed by the Environment Agency to ensure that this is adhered to.

TKD, I would very much doubt that anyone will fill in Coate Water, or build on the country park at any time in the foreseable future. If nothing else it's a SSSI protected under UK and EU law!

Home Boy wrote:
Won't we still need Coate Water to feed the new canal system in town? That's why it was dug out in the 1st place! On the issue of flooding, current planning policy (2006 onwards) makes it illegal to increase the risk of flooding to others as a result of new development. All applications are reviewed by the Environment Agency to ensure that this is adhered to. TKD, I would very much doubt that anyone will fill in Coate Water, or build on the country park at any time in the foreseable future. If nothing else it's a SSSI protected under UK and EU law!

So when they sold St Joseph's so they could build on it (and they haven't finished yet so surely this would have been covered by the 2006 Act) they took account of the flooding risk did they, well obviously they got it wrong.
Incidentally they got it wrong when they move the lower school to the other side of the school field, after they had done this they found out why it had been built in the original place, namely the field slops downwards and so the new building is liable to flooding.
So do assume that the 2006 act will protect us as they can also claim they did the survey but you cannot sue them if it turns out to be wrong.

Planning Applications lodged after December 2006. No idea when The St Joes application went in, I'd assume it was a long time before that though.

Felix A

So all the people on the petition are naturalist, architects, poets, athletes and other professionals qualified to make comment? I don't think so.

Unspoilt countryside you said? That will be the land bounded by the M4 to the South, Marlborough Road to the North, GWH to the East and an overflow reservoir to the West, will it?

Very democratic of you 'We demand a buffer of land' etc.

By the by there is a buffer zone all agreed by the various agencies, but I suppose they don't know what they are talking about as far as you are concerned?

Rest assured... WE WILL GET A UNI!
Rest assured... HOUSES WILL BE BUILT!
Rest assured... IT WILL BE AT COATE!

And finally .... rest assured in 10 years time we will ALL be happy it went ahead!

I will be very happy. I'll have made loads of money selling my field to the housing developers.

Bring it on!!!!

Those pesky badgers in my field can b*gger off too along with the bats roosting in the old decrepid trees. Who needs them?

Good riddance to wildlife - I want money.

bampi wrote:
Felix A So all the people on the petition are naturalist, architects, poets, athletes and other professionals qualified to make comment? I don't think so. Unspoilt countryside you said? That will be the land bounded by the M4 to the South, Marlborough Road to the North, GWH to the East and an overflow reservoir to the West, will it? Very democratic of you 'We demand a buffer of land' etc. By the by there is a buffer zone all agreed by the various agencies, but I suppose they don't know what they are talking about as far as you are concerned?

The majority of people signed the petition in support of preserving the landscape setting of Coate Water. You just need to be a caring human being to want that.

Demanding a one kilometer buffer is not too strong. This was what we were promised by politicians when planning permission for the hospital was given. Certain councillors soon withdrew that promise.

Robh wrote:
He said: “We are absolutely committed to doing everything we can to bring a university to Swindon. Why??? What's in it for them. There must be a financial gain like free land or something.

In a Wiltshire radio broadcast the Deputy Vice Chancellor of UWE said that, of course, The Gateway Partnership were offering a very generous cash incentive, which would be ploughed back into the University if it came to Coate.
He sounded to me that everything was sorted apart from actually signing the Deal, which would be decided in March.
So of course money is talking. Big money. For many people....
Say no more......

He also mentioned a "boulevard", which sounds rather quaint. In fact that turns out to be an extremely large road.
Let's not forget, 1800 homes, residential accommodation for 10,000 students(?).
IT sounds horrendous to me.

People signing the Petition were fully aware of the implications that of course the lake would not be filled in and built over.
All 52,000 expressed considerable dismay and anger at the thought of the peace of Coate being lost forever under concrete.
(That is an understatement: most were HOPPING MAD and made their feelings apparent!)
That's why the petition grew to some amazing proportions...52,000 people when the population of the town hovers around the 150,000 mark.
It is, according to the Guardian, a completely "average" town in the UK.

So a vote of those proportions is outstanding.
Of course others from outside Swindon signed too. Why not?
They were enjoying the delights of a pleasant day at the site.
So, indeed, is the HUGE amount of "Celebrity" support, including many prominent people. I believe the SA will be running a story about the new names who have joined us.
And do not mock or fool yourselves. Getting celebrity support is NOT easy. Why should they bother? We have no incentives to offer them.
But sign they have ...in their droves...and do not be surprised if the nationals (not the tabloids) take up the cause on our behalf.
Watch this space...

AustinField wrote:
I will be very happy. I'll have made loads of money selling my field to the housing developers. Bring it on!!!!

Mr AustinField,
I hope you can live with your decision. I couldn't....

I hear that more Coate Water Park Rangers are to be laid off in the latest round of staff cuts.

That doesn't bode well for the future of Coate Water either.

I do hope that TKD4ever isn't right.

SBC has already considered selling off Broome Manor golf-course to housing developers and only decided against it because they would have had to buy an equal plot of land elsewhere to replace the golf-course.

At least AustinField is honest. He's only in it for the money.

flicky wrote:

Robh wrote:
He said: “We are absolutely committed to doing everything we can to bring a university to Swindon. Why??? What's in it for them. There must be a financial gain like free land or something.

In a Wiltshire radio broadcast the Deputy Vice Chancellor of UWE said that, of course, The Gateway Partnership were offering a very generous cash incentive, which would be ploughed back into the University if it came to Coate.
He sounded to me that everything was sorted apart from actually signing the Deal, which would be decided in March.
So of course money is talking. Big money. For many people....
Say no more......

He also mentioned a "boulevard", which sounds rather quaint. In fact that turns out to be an extremely large road.
Let's not forget, 1800 homes, residential accommodation for 10,000 students(?).
IT sounds horrendous to me.

People signing the Petition were fully aware of the implications that of course the lake would not be filled in and built over.
All 52,000 expressed considerable dismay and anger at the thought of the peace of Coate being lost forever under concrete.
(That is an understatement: most were HOPPING MAD and made their feelings apparent!)
That's why the petition grew to some amazing proportions...52,000 people when the population of the town hovers around the 150,000 mark.
It is, according to the Guardian, a completely "average" town in the UK.

So a vote of those proportions is outstanding.
Of course others from outside Swindon signed too. Why not?
They were enjoying the delights of a pleasant day at the site.
So, indeed, is the HUGE amount of "Celebrity" support, including many prominent people. I believe the SA will be running a story about the new names who have joined us.
And do not mock or fool yourselves. Getting celebrity support is NOT easy. Why should they bother? We have no incentives to offer them.
But sign they have ...in their droves...and do not be surprised if the nationals (not the tabloids) take up the cause on our behalf.
Watch this space...

If you insist on counting your 'huge celebrity' support that does not live in Swindon, then you must also include the rest of the country that didn't sign your petition and also do not live in Swindon. Therefore, your 52000 out of a possible 63 million is pretty pathetic by any standard. Anyway, who gives a stuff what celebrities have signed a meaningless petition - they certainly do not speak on my behalf.

I am so looking forward to the day the first bulldozer moves onto the land between Coate Water and the hospital. The sooner the better.

Hi Grumpy

Which house are you after? There are some nice ones designed to look out onto the lake at the northern end of Coate Water park between Day House Farm and the lake. The developers refer to the "Coate Water structure" and describe "larger front gardens to take advantage of the views and sunlight and to increase activity and surveillance alongside Coate Water Park".

In exchange we will have a view of a road, cars and houses from Coate Water. Aren't we the lucky ones?

Felix A wrote:
Hi Grumpy

Which house are you after? There are some nice ones designed to look out onto the lake at the northern end of Coate Water park between Day House Farm and the lake. The developers refer to the "Coate Water structure" and describe "larger front gardens to take advantage of the views and sunlight and to increase activity and surveillance alongside Coate Water Park".

In exchange we will have a view of a road, cars and houses from Coate Water. Aren't we the lucky ones?

That sounds nice. I want a nice sized plot with panoramic views and a south facing rear garden. The soils not bad around Coate either, so I could have a nice veg patch to potter in on a nice summers evening. 4/5 beds and three reception rooms minimum otherwise it won't be worth moving from where I am.
Being a staunch supporter of the scheme I do stand a good chance of getting what I want.

PeeveD wrote:
Rest assured... WE WILL GET A UNI! Rest assured... HOUSES WILL BE BUILT! Rest assured... IT WILL BE AT COATE! And finally .... rest assured in 10 years time we will ALL be happy it went ahead!

Are you talking about yourselk, Mr PeeveD?
Or perhaps you won't be doing a University course/

Mr AustinField
I notice you still haven't answered my question.....
I imagine you don't have a conscience....

Always Grumpy wrote:

flicky wrote:

Robh wrote: He said: “We are absolutely committed to doing everything we can to bring a university to Swindon. Why??? What's in it for them. There must be a financial gain like free land or something.

In a Wiltshire radio broadcast the Deputy Vice Chancellor of UWE said that, of course, The Gateway Partnership were offering a very generous cash incentive, which would be ploughed back into the University if it came to Coate. He sounded to me that everything was sorted apart from actually signing the Deal, which would be decided in March. So of course money is talking. Big money. For many people.... Say no more...... He also mentioned a "boulevard", which sounds rather quaint. In fact that turns out to be an extremely large road. Let's not forget, 1800 homes, residential accommodation for 10,000 students(?). IT sounds horrendous to me. People signing the Petition were fully aware of the implications that of course the lake would not be filled in and built over. All 52,000 expressed considerable dismay and anger at the thought of the peace of Coate being lost forever under concrete. (That is an understatement: most were HOPPING MAD and made their feelings apparent!) That's why the petition grew to some amazing proportions...52,000 people when the population of the town hovers around the 150,000 mark. It is, according to the Guardian, a completely "average" town in the UK. So a vote of those proportions is outstanding. Of course others from outside Swindon signed too. Why not? They were enjoying the delights of a pleasant day at the site. So, indeed, is the HUGE amount of "Celebrity" support, including many prominent people. I believe the SA will be running a story about the new names who have joined us. And do not mock or fool yourselves. Getting celebrity support is NOT easy. Why should they bother? We have no incentives to offer them. But sign they have ...in their droves...and do not be surprised if the nationals (not the tabloids) take up the cause on our behalf. Watch this space...

If you insist on counting your 'huge celebrity' support that does not live in Swindon, then you must also include the rest of the country that didn't sign your petition and also do not live in Swindon. Therefore, your 52000 out of a possible 63 million is pretty pathetic by any standard. Anyway, who gives a stuff what celebrities have signed a meaningless petition - they certainly do not speak on my behalf. I am so looking forward to the day the first bulldozer moves onto the land between Coate Water and the hospital. The sooner the better.

Do we care, Mr Grumpy what you think?

flicky wrote:

Always Grumpy wrote:

flicky wrote:

Robh wrote: He said: “We are absolutely committed to doing everything we can to bring a university to Swindon. Why??? What's in it for them. There must be a financial gain like free land or something.

In a Wiltshire radio broadcast the Deputy Vice Chancellor of UWE said that, of course, The Gateway Partnership were offering a very generous cash incentive, which would be ploughed back into the University if it came to Coate. He sounded to me that everything was sorted apart from actually signing the Deal, which would be decided in March. So of course money is talking. Big money. For many people.... Say no more...... He also mentioned a "boulevard", which sounds rather quaint. In fact that turns out to be an extremely large road. Let's not forget, 1800 homes, residential accommodation for 10,000 students(?). IT sounds horrendous to me. People signing the Petition were fully aware of the implications that of course the lake would not be filled in and built over. All 52,000 expressed considerable dismay and anger at the thought of the peace of Coate being lost forever under concrete. (That is an understatement: most were HOPPING MAD and made their feelings apparent!) That's why the petition grew to some amazing proportions...52,000 people when the population of the town hovers around the 150,000 mark. It is, according to the Guardian, a completely "average" town in the UK. So a vote of those proportions is outstanding. Of course others from outside Swindon signed too. Why not? They were enjoying the delights of a pleasant day at the site. So, indeed, is the HUGE amount of "Celebrity" support, including many prominent people. I believe the SA will be running a story about the new names who have joined us. And do not mock or fool yourselves. Getting celebrity support is NOT easy. Why should they bother? We have no incentives to offer them. But sign they have ...in their droves...and do not be surprised if the nationals (not the tabloids) take up the cause on our behalf. Watch this space...

If you insist on counting your 'huge celebrity' support that does not live in Swindon, then you must also include the rest of the country that didn't sign your petition and also do not live in Swindon. Therefore, your 52000 out of a possible 63 million is pretty pathetic by any standard. Anyway, who gives a stuff what celebrities have signed a meaningless petition - they certainly do not speak on my behalf. I am so looking forward to the day the first bulldozer moves onto the land between Coate Water and the hospital. The sooner the better.

Do we care, Mr Grumpy what you think?

Well, we certainly don't care what you and your band of cronies and so called celebrities think!

flicky wrote:
Mr AustinField I notice you still haven't answered my question..... I imagine you don't have a conscience....

Conscience - what's that? I don't live in Swindon, just like the developers and most of the people involved in these plans. I don't give a stuff about Swindon but I can make loads of money out of it.

AustinField wrote:

flicky wrote: Mr AustinField I notice you still haven't answered my question..... I imagine you don't have a conscience....

Conscience - what's that? I don't live in Swindon, just like the developers and most of the people involved in these plans. I don't give a stuff about Swindon but I can make loads of money out of it.

Totally despicable, but honest. It seems that Swindon's future is out of the hands of Swindon people.

It is tragic for born and bred Swindonians to witness what has been done in the name of so-called progress to their town. We all know it's to do with making a quick buck and nothing else.

"That's why the petition grew to some amazing proportions...52,000 people when the population of the town hovers around the 150,000 mark."

But Ant 'n'Dec and various other non-entities don't live in Swindon.
Nor does dear Jean. And I wonder how many others.
What a massive over-statement and an even bigger case of mis-representation.

PeeveD wrote:
"That's why the petition grew to some amazing proportions...52,000 people when the population of the town hovers around the 150,000 mark."

But Ant 'n'Dec and various other non-entities don't live in Swindon.
Nor does dear Jean. And I wonder how many others.
What a massive over-statement and an even bigger case of mis-representation.

Don't forget also their giant egos and overwhelming self importance!

Well there's a list on the WG & Herald site - Julian Pettfer's on the list - err not Swindon methinks and numerous other non-entities also.

sir lancelot wrote:
Well there's a list on the WG & Herald site - Julian Pettfer's on the list - err not Swindon methinks and numerous other non-entities also.

You don't have to live in Swindon to have an opinion. Julian Pettifer's father was deeply involved with the Richard Jefferies' family, hence his concern.
And of course we do have some of the top UK nature writers on our list, all of whom write for serious publications.
Simon Barnes from the Times, Richard Maby, the Nature Writer of the year,2008, andLady Trietel, the Jefferies' scholar and conservationist.
Also Virginia McKenna from the Born Free Foundation.
Did you know that there have been some in-depth bird studies of the popular birding resort of Coate Water, which come up with impressive data and opinion?
Oh, and would you say that the poet laureate, Andrew Motion was a "nonentity"?
i don't think so.
None of these details is secret. We have literally dozens of significant artists who have offered to support the Save Coate campaign.It's not just the Geordie pair, sir lancelot or whoever you want to call yourself now.
Flicky/Jean.

Forsooth Mrs Cobb pray, what tosh thou doth talk! -Andrew who! poet laureate -nay -Betjemen & Hughes -if thou art talking poets of the laureate, now Virginia McKenna one doth recognise but Barnes, Maby & Trietel as I sayeth Z listers hence non entities fair lady! Wilt thou be my Guinevere Felicity?

Pray who art those of which you speak -art they thy suitors perchance? And whoeth is Jean - of Orleans of Arc perchance?