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Mosque service fill up spaces, say residents


BROADGREEN residents are appalled by a call from Muslims asking wardens to spare them parking tickets while they pray.

Muslims are getting tickets for parking on residents’ parking spaces near Broad Street and Manchester Road mosques for an hour on Fridays.

In the past, Swindon Council wardens largely ignored illegally parked cars during prayers.

But now wardens are ticketing without restraint after ward councillors Derique Montaut (Lab, Central) and Junab Ali (Lab, Central) said the law should apply to everyone.

Broad Street Neighbourhood Watch co-ordinator Karen Coulthard said she dare not leave the house during Friday lunchtimes for fear of losing her space.

She said: “The area gets completely clogged up. There have been incidents when we have been out shopping and come home on a Friday lunchtime and there is nowhere for us to park.

“We had to go away and come back again. They seem to park everywhere, even up alleys so we can’t even enter the back entrance. We have to rush out and get back early, or stay away until after 2pm.”

Last week, Muhammad Ali – a representative of the Marat Shahjalal mosque in Manchester Road – told the Adver that residents’ parking spaces were often empty during Islamic prayer time anyway. He hopes Swindon Council will reconsider its ticketing policy during Friday prayer times.

But Mrs Coulthard said residents pay £25 annually for their resident parking permit to secure their spaces.

“If a space is empty it should stay empty until a resident returns,” she said. “We have paid for those spaces. A lot of residents have the same view as me.

“We know everyone has a right to pray but they cannot expect special privileges in a residential area. Lots of residents come to me saying: ‘Karen we cannot find parking’.

“We are trying to be sympathetic. No-one is being vicious but we just want things to be fair.”

The original story has generated a strong reaction on the Adver website with 76 comments.

One writer, living in Stratton, wrote: “Well they could change the law and let people park around the area between noon and 2pm on a Friday. I can't see this being a problem if the residential parking areas are freed up from people being at work.”

And Why oh why, of Swindon, wrote: “If they are allowed to get away with not having a permit I think everybody who does have to pay for one should apply for a refund from Swindon Council.”

If you have got a view, then please leave your comment below. However, the Swindon Advertiser would caution all posters to be aware of the terms and conditions of the website which states that users must not post material which is defamatory, offensive, or of an obscene or menacing character.

We welcome constructive and informed debate, and we will take action against any poster who abuses these terms. The poster will be liable for any legal claim from a third party.

Comments(29)

andynewell says...
7:49am Thu 22 Jan 09

The area is well served by public transport. There are two public car parks within walking distance, one of which is mostly empty and only 20p for TWO HOURS!

The parking spaces are for residents. Anyone parking illegally should be ticketed, regardless of their ethnicity or religion.

The same law for all.

P S Altery says...
8:10am Thu 22 Jan 09

Who is going to start clamping down on the illegal parking in service alleys, and on double yellow lines and pavements? The using residents parking spaces is just the tip of the iceberg and I for one want the council to start answering some questions, such as why have they been ignoring this problem for so long and why have they been previoulsy enforcing parking legislation based on ethnic background and religious belief?

her_in_doors2 says...
8:22am Thu 22 Jan 09

This is obviously a serious case of racisim by the council. One rule for Muslims and one rule for other religions.
Its not only Muslims who think they can pick and choose which laws they want to obey last week a Polish registered Mercedes parked on the zigzag lines in Westcott Place two young adults got out and went to the Polish Shop. Not only was this illegal but also dangerous.
Its about time we got hard on all offenders not just the ones that won't make a fuss.

The Librarian says Oook says...
8:26am Thu 22 Jan 09

Come on Adver. You are being very lazy.

You are running basically the same story as last week, with a few extra quotes, but you haven't done any serious journalism.

Where is the attempt to get an explaination from the council as to why they tolerated illegal parking for so long?

We want to know a few things. When did it start? Whose idea was it? Has there been a referal to the Standards Board for England and Wales?

Instead you have just turned out a Daily Mail-esque, "Why Oh Why," piece with no content.

One other thing. You are warning us about posting "material which is defamatory, offensive, or of an obscene or menacing character."

Aren't you just trying to stir up trouble though. You are running this story on a Thursday, the day before Friday Prayers.

Are you hoping a few hot-heads turn up and cause trouble, so you can get a story out of that too?

The Librarian says Oook says...
8:26am Thu 22 Jan 09

Come on Adver. You are being very lazy.

You are running basically the same story as last week, with a few extra quotes, but you haven't done any serious journalism.

Where is the attempt to get an explaination from the council as to why they tolerated illegal parking for so long?

We want to know a few things. When did it start? Whose idea was it? Has there been a referal to the Standards Board for England and Wales?

Instead you have just turned out a Daily Mail-esque, "Why Oh Why," piece with no content.

One other thing. You are warning us about posting "material which is defamatory, offensive, or of an obscene or menacing character."

Aren't you just trying to stir up trouble though. You are running this story on a Thursday, the day before Friday Prayers.

Are you hoping a few hot-heads turn up and cause trouble, so you can get a story out of that too?

flicky says...
8:37am Thu 22 Jan 09

andy-newell
Where can you park for 20p for 2 hrs? Sounds good.

Chowmai says...
8:41am Thu 22 Jan 09

This is an age old problem, in Ancient Rome during 'festivals' roads would be gridlocked by the horse, dog and hand carts of those attending ceremonies.

Those who live near churches, chapels, synagogues and mosques all suffer problems from inconsiderate parking during 'high days and holy days'.

Parking is far worse, everywhere, nowadays due to the amount of car owners and their refusal to car share, use public transport or walk to the service.

There is no one answer to the problem of parking in any area around a place of worship. But respect and consideration from both sides can go a long way to reaching a compromise.

That said, the law is the law and we should remember Ten dervishes can sleep on one rug, but two kings cannot be accommodated in an entire
kingdom.



hmmmm says...
8:45am Thu 22 Jan 09

Here we go again!!!


CS01793 says...
9:11am Thu 22 Jan 09

Hello y'all what is wrong with public transport also usually one person per car so how abt car sharing or try to use more with the bus etc. i am a driver for a well known company but always use public transport for work and shopping etc

Always Grumpy says...
9:35am Thu 22 Jan 09

Does the Adver keep getting stuck in some sort of time and spacial anomaly in the way it keeps repeating the same stories every few days?

I'm just wondering!


Security word 'time-warp' (just kidding)

Big Mac says...
10:10am Thu 22 Jan 09

"But now wardens are ticketing without restraint after ward councillors Derique Montaut (Lab, Central) and Junab Ali (Lab, Central) said the law should apply to everyone."

As several posters noted when this story was run last week, this admission strongly suggests that both Deriqu Montaut and Junab Ali were well aware of what was happening (and which was illegal) prior to their recent comments - which, I note, came shortly after they'd both been elected by their peers in the Central Ward.

The council really should investigate this pair, with a view to hopefully removing them from their posts if the dubious and sleazy behaviour is proven to be the case - as it would definitely seem it is.


Fluffing says...
10:43am Thu 22 Jan 09

I went to a funeral in Wales yesterday with my elderly motherand due to the lack of available parking near to the church - we had to park around a mile from the church, pay for the privelege and then walk to the church. So why should it different if you are Muslim???

Swindon really need to get a grip on the reality of EQUALITY - things like preferential treatment due to ethnicity builds resentment and causes friction. Look what happened at The Ridgeway School - WAKE UP and embrace the reality of MULTICULTURALISM.

IRofE says...
11:10am Thu 22 Jan 09

Swindonians like to moan about parking and seem to attach a lot of importance about their "space".
Well then maybe you could demonstrate this by treating your town with respect, stop the litter, don't park in other people residential "spaces", respect road priorities stop taking your chances.
YOU WANT RESPECT THEN GIVE RESPECT

Terence says...
12:14pm Thu 22 Jan 09

IRofE wrote:
Swindonians like to moan about parking and seem to attach a lot of importance about their "space".
Well then maybe you could demonstrate this by treating your town with respect, stop the litter, don't park in other people residential "spaces", respect road priorities stop taking your chances.
YOU WANT RESPECT THEN GIVE RESPECT
Whoa IRatE, who rattled your cage? What a peculiar tirade against Swindonians!

It's not exactly clear what your problem is, are you saying that if there is any litter in a town its residents must not complain about parking violations?

Jmac says...
12:33pm Thu 22 Jan 09

Flicky,
20p for 2 hours Mon-Fri at the county ground. I think it's free at weekends unless there's a match. Well worth the short walk into the centre

The Librarian says Oook says...
12:37pm Thu 22 Jan 09

Round of applause for IRofE.

Swindon has a huge litter problem and unless anyone is suggesting it is all left by tourists, then it is being dropped by us.

Maybe thats an issue we should address.

IRofE says...
1:09pm Thu 22 Jan 09

Terence wrote:
IRofE wrote: Swindonians like to moan about parking and seem to attach a lot of importance about their "space". Well then maybe you could demonstrate this by treating your town with respect, stop the litter, don't park in other people residential "spaces", respect road priorities stop taking your chances. YOU WANT RESPECT THEN GIVE RESPECT
Whoa IRatE, who rattled your cage? What a peculiar tirade against Swindonians! It's not exactly clear what your problem is, are you saying that if there is any litter in a town its residents must not complain about parking violations?
leading by example is a lot harder than moaning, and these guys do moan about everything.
I persist and sign, if you want to be treated with respect, start respecting others.It goes a long way.

IRofE says...
1:29pm Thu 22 Jan 09

andynewell wrote:
The area is well served by public transport. There are two public car parks within walking distance, one of which is mostly empty and only 20p for TWO HOURS! The parking spaces are for residents. Anyone parking illegally should be ticketed, regardless of their ethnicity or religion. The same law for all.
Yes the Law applies to us all, however it is in its application that it fails.
Residential parking being ignored, parking on double yellows etc... these are widespread.
Yes these actions should be sanctionned however I am all for being a little constructive and positive rather than pointing the finger all the time. Why not try to create more parking spaces, why not try to make parking free and see how it benefits the whole community, Town? very well to brandish the baton, just because none of us have the sense to use the carrot.

The Woggler says...
1:38pm Thu 22 Jan 09

Belief in an invisible sky ghost should not excuse anybody from being subject to the same rules and laws as the rest of us.

Remember, there is probably no god, so why not spend Friday enjoying yourself instead.

BWB says...
3:20pm Thu 22 Jan 09

The Woggler wrote:
Belief in an invisible sky ghost should not excuse anybody from being subject to the same rules and laws as the rest of us. Remember, there is probably no god, so why not spend Friday enjoying yourself instead.

Woggler,I respect your view.
But I think God Is in the person
who believes in him.And great comfort can be obtained from that
belief/faith.
See Hebrews 11:1
And yes i can take any following
criticism that may be posted.
Because my faith wont be shaken.

IRofE says...
3:52pm Thu 22 Jan 09

BWB wrote:
The Woggler wrote: Belief in an invisible sky ghost should not excuse anybody from being subject to the same rules and laws as the rest of us. Remember, there is probably no god, so why not spend Friday enjoying yourself instead.
Woggler,I respect your view. But I think God Is in the person who believes in him.And great comfort can be obtained from that belief/faith. See Hebrews 11:1 And yes i can take any following criticism that may be posted. Because my faith wont be shaken.
without any intent to hurt anyone feelings can you please explain what would have happened if you'd never been told about God? would you believe in God? and if yes which one?

The Woggler says...
4:00pm Thu 22 Jan 09

IRofE wrote:
BWB wrote:
The Woggler wrote: Belief in an invisible sky ghost should not excuse anybody from being subject to the same rules and laws as the rest of us. Remember, there is probably no god, so why not spend Friday enjoying yourself instead.
Woggler,I respect your view. But I think God Is in the person who believes in him.And great comfort can be obtained from that belief/faith. See Hebrews 11:1 And yes i can take any following criticism that may be posted. Because my faith wont be shaken.
without any intent to hurt anyone feelings can you please explain what would have happened if you'd never been told about God? would you believe in God? and if yes which one?
I respect your faith, but why should you are anybody else expect to be treated as special because of it?

The Librarian says Oook says...
4:15pm Thu 22 Jan 09

BWB wrote:

Woggler,I respect your view. But I think God Is in the person who believes in him.And great comfort can be obtained from that belief/faith. See Hebrews 11:1 And yes i can take any following criticism that may be posted. Because my faith wont be shaken.


If God is in the person who believes, what happens if you stop believing on one God and start believing in another one.

Does that mean that the first God stops existing and the new one starts? Or does it mean that the first one continues to exist? Or are they both the one, same God?

Most importantly, if everyone stops believing in God, does God die?

Jiver says...
5:08pm Thu 22 Jan 09

The Librarian says Oook wrote:
BWB wrote: Woggler,I respect your view. But I think God Is in the person who believes in him.And great comfort can be obtained from that belief/faith. See Hebrews 11:1 And yes i can take any following criticism that may be posted. Because my faith wont be shaken. If God is in the person who believes, what happens if you stop believing on one God and start believing in another one. Does that mean that the first God stops existing and the new one starts? Or does it mean that the first one continues to exist? Or are they both the one, same God? Most importantly, if everyone stops believing in God, does God die?
regardless, to any religious theories. people (residents), that have paid for parking spaces, are entitled to use them. People that are merely visiting the area do not have that entitlement and should use the nearby affordable car park.
It can't be much of a faith, if it isn't worth 20p for a car park.

BWB says...
5:44pm Thu 22 Jan 09

IRofE, Swindon says...

without any intent to hurt anyone feelings can you please explain what would have happened if you'd never been told about God? would you believe in God? and if yes which one?

When I was very young i went to sunday school.(something that is lacking in todays society).
There i was tought about God and his word(the Bible) also about right
from wrong.There is only one God,
although many religions give him
diferent names.Alla,Jehovah.

The Woggler, swindon says
I respect your faith, but why should you are anybody else expect to be treated as special because of it?

I dont.But i would rather people
judge me on the good things i do
than the wicked things.

The Librarian says
Or are they both the one, same God?

Most importantly, if everyone stops believing in God, does God die?

As i have said,there is only one God.
God and his word will never die.
The Bible is the most widely read book in History.
More copies have been distributed
than of any other book.And over the many years it has been written it has never contradicted itself.

All of your questions have been
received with my utmost respect.
But,I would rather believe in a lie
han nothing at all.




Chowmai says...
8:21am Fri 23 Jan 09

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
- Sir Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-1971)

sparkypete says...
10:04am Fri 23 Jan 09

Why can't the Muslim community use the bus station car park at one end of Broad Street or the football ground car park at the other end? Everyone else has to pay. Even the residents have to pay for parking permits.

itsamess says...
10:59am Mon 26 Jan 09

Come on folks this is not a religious debate--remember most wars are religious and religious beliefs. Debate what is fair.
FACT it is not fair where residents cannot park in spaces they have paid for--simple. Fact there are not enough parking spaces--more would be available if those with garages and parking spaces on their property used them--after clearing the junk or games rooms out of course.
FACT some residential areas have insuficient parking due to over zealous yellow lines and little or no public car parks. Many of the lines are illegal as are some of the tickets. How many of you have gone out to your car in the early hours to find your present on the screen? Why do you have a ticket--mainly because no matter how hard you look you cannot find a legal space to park. Hence until those that have work set off there will be no spaces. The law defines why lines are used and the purpose--further it determines what can be considered corrupt practice. So look at the facts. Lines are put in place to allow free flow of traffic on main routes. Follow Rodbourne Rd which was changed years ago to ease the flow of traffic when the outlet centre was built--and the semi bye-pass to the mannington bridges roundabout opened. Technically tht means the only traffic needing to use the old road would be residents and shoppers--buses and service vehicles. All the exits off Rodbourne Rd lead to residential streets as there are very few businesses other than shops. Therefore no through traffic in the area. A small community indeed of mainly working families. Plagued with double yellow lines leaving residents with insufficient parking spaces in an area where there are no front gardens and many with no back access. The Council being fully aware of this situation allow their wardens to blitz the area between 6am and 7-30am before the residents leave for work etc when there are many spaces opened up. Now that wreaks of corrupt practice and revenue collection as the Councillor is well aware of this situation and does nothing about it. Yes you have it the one who has overseen some of the biggest failings this council have known. Look around your area go on the websites that tell you when lines are legal or not--and if the correct infringement is on your ticket--check the records and see if the order was correctly made and lines correctly made out. So why should illegal parking be ignored where there is public parking in work hours?

itsamess says...
11:02am Mon 26 Jan 09

Do the religious community not work during the day like most?


Karen Coulthard says those living near Broad Street and Manchester Road mosques are angry at losing parking spaces during Friday prayers Karen Coulthard says those living near Broad Street and Manchester Road mosques are angry at losing parking spaces during Friday prayers

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