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Mini workers don't want to move to Oxford


SWINDON’S BMW employees are resisting a move to Oxford despite being offered £6,500 each to make the 33-mile drive every morning.

So far only four employees at Swindon’s Mini plant in Stratton have accepted the deal, even though BMW have been trying to tempt 150 employees to move eastward for almost a month.

Those being asked to move are from the press shop, which works with car panels, and the sub assembly department.

John McGookin, regional organiser for Unite, said the union was against any changes to the current deal and said that if BMW had extra work the firm should send it to Swindon.

He said workers could claim up to £6,500 in travel expenses over a two-year period depending on how far they have to travel.

He said that if 150 employees do eventually leave, Swindon staff numbers will have dropped 72 per cent from 3,000 to 850 in five years.

Mr McGookin said: “The changes are to occur in the sub-assembly section, but only four people have taken the deal so far over the past week. We are resisting the change from Swindon to Oxford. If they want to ship us around then they should be prepared to bus staff during company hours, otherwise they can bring the work here.

“We are a flexible staff and a viable option for work to be ushered in. In terms of the cuts in Oxford, let’s just say this, when they sneeze we get a cold.”

A 39-year-old sub-assembly worker who lives in North Swindon said staff feared BMW would eventually close the plant.

He said: “No-one wants to move to Oxford. The deal is simply not good enough, so people aren’t likely to take it, until they do better.

“We are a loyal staff and should not be threatened with plant closure. I think associates on the shop floor in general are fed up with the way they are being treated by BMW. It is not a happy place at the moment.

“All the other car companies have been honest but we feel as though we are being strung along. We are happy to still have jobs, don’t get me wrong, but there are ways to deal with employees.”

Rebecca Baxter, a spokeswoman for Mini, said the redeployment scheme would see transferred staff paid £1,500 upfront and further petrol funding depending on how far each employee would be driving to get to the Oxford Mini plant. She denied the £6,500 figure.

She said: “We have been asking workers to take this option. There is no set date for them to move and no current plans for redundancies.“ Ms Baxter added that at the end of March the new Mini convertible would be hitting the market, but could not confirm how many workers had taken up the transfer offer.

The job cuts come off the back of a slump in Mini sales with he company seeing a fall in sales of 35 per cent since January 2008.

Comments(28)

Osho says...
9:35am Tue 17 Feb 09

I live in Swindon and drive to work in Oxford, so do many other people I know. Relocation, thats what its called, and that happens to lots of people all the time too.

beakeryoumuppet says...
9:36am Tue 17 Feb 09

what about sacking the 146 that wont relocate and re-employing 146 temps from oxford

clearly staff are not thinking about there long term futures, two years is a short period and as long as the travelling expenses are covered surely its better to have a job even in oxford than no job at all

Loveall says...
9:59am Tue 17 Feb 09

They have the right to say no to travel/relocation. Will they still feel like this when BMW close the plant and take all work to Oxford. Amalgamating the sites could save a fortune.

The Librarian says Oook says...
10:18am Tue 17 Feb 09

I regularly travel 72 miles a day for my job. I do get paid for this, but it is less than £6,500.

These people need to take their heads out of their backsides. The job market is currently grim. If you have a job, hang on to it the best you can.

If lots of people are taking the shifts then car share. Four people in the care means each person would only have to drive five times in four weeks.

ODDSOCKS1 says...
10:18am Tue 17 Feb 09

There are reasons nobody will go there.A press shop worker will take a Pay cut as he will go on a shift with a lower rate.
The early shift starts at 6.30am 5.30am on stand up.What time would you have to get up.The shift will finish about 4pm.A great road to drive home tired on.The late shift can finish around 3am,
Many workers would have to get 2nd reliable cars just for work.The £1.500 lump sum will not get a Reliable car.£1000 after tax.
Oxford workers received a similar sum to sell their sick pay.Those transferring will not get that although their conditions will change.
Workers in Swindon have given up a lot in the past few months.and expect to give up more.Put buses on,and take them there till things improve,and they will get the numbers they want.They bus their workers a further distance in Germany.

EastleazeRed says...
10:59am Tue 17 Feb 09

beakeryoumuppet wrote:
what about sacking the 146 that wont relocate and re-employing 146 temps from oxford clearly staff are not thinking about there long term futures, two years is a short period and as long as the travelling expenses are covered surely its better to have a job even in oxford than no job at all
I have never heard such utter crap in all my life. You can’t just sack people because they won’t travel 35 miles to work, were not talking about travelling across Swindon here. I did this trip on earlies and lates, and as ODDSOCKS1 so perfectly put it 6.30 a.m. start on earlies, 5.30 on stand up, so you have to get up at 4.00 a.m. travel 35 miles, work until 4.00 p.m. maybe 5.00 p.m. on stand up, drive another 35 miles home on one of the worst roads in the south of England, and get home around 6.30 p.m. On lates it’s even worse, with stand up you don’t get home till nearly 4.00 a.m. The only reason I knew I was near home was because my car hit the roundabout at Farringdon on a number of occasions because I couldn’t keep my eyes open. And all of this on a reduced wage.2 months was bad enough, let alone 2 years.

Osho says...
11:35am Tue 17 Feb 09

Poor poor people. I pay for my own car, drive from Swindon to Oxford every day, work extra hours without extra pay (when required),... but of course I don't work for a car maufacturer, I'm just a normal person doing a normal office job, so I can't get any sympathy - get real - hundreds of people commute, work long hours - that's life - like to see these people down a pit !

madred says...
11:50am Tue 17 Feb 09

Osho wrote:
Poor poor people. I pay for my own car, drive from Swindon to Oxford every day, work extra hours without extra pay (when required),... but of course I don't work for a car maufacturer, I'm just a normal person doing a normal office job, so I can't get any sympathy - get real - hundreds of people commute, work long hours - that's life - like to see these people down a pit !
life sucks.....if you dont like the travelling etc....then move to oxford or find a job in swindon....simple!!

ODDSOCKS1 says...
12:03pm Tue 17 Feb 09

Osho wrote:
Poor poor people. I pay for my own car, drive from Swindon to Oxford every day, work extra hours without extra pay (when required),... but of course I don't work for a car maufacturer, I'm just a normal person doing a normal office job, so I can't get any sympathy - get real - hundreds of people commute, work long hours - that's life - like to see these people down a pit !
Working normal office hours.Not getting up in the middle of the night.Not then on your feet all day in a Factory environment.And you made the choice as up to recently there was plenty of office work in Swindon.

Osho says...
12:22pm Tue 17 Feb 09

madred wrote:
Osho wrote: Poor poor people. I pay for my own car, drive from Swindon to Oxford every day, work extra hours without extra pay (when required),... but of course I don't work for a car maufacturer, I'm just a normal person doing a normal office job, so I can't get any sympathy - get real - hundreds of people commute, work long hours - that's life - like to see these people down a pit !
life sucks.....if you dont like the travelling etc....then move to oxford or find a job in swindon....simple!!
You've just confirmed what I was saying - silly ! That commuting is part of modern life and I enjoy driving anyway !.... perhaps I can enjoy it more if I snap up a cheap new Mini !

EastleazeRed says...
12:34pm Tue 17 Feb 09

Osho wrote:
madred wrote:
Osho wrote: Poor poor people. I pay for my own car, drive from Swindon to Oxford every day, work extra hours without extra pay (when required),... but of course I don't work for a car maufacturer, I'm just a normal person doing a normal office job, so I can't get any sympathy - get real - hundreds of people commute, work long hours - that's life - like to see these people down a pit !
life sucks.....if you dont like the travelling etc....then move to oxford or find a job in swindon....simple!!
You've just confirmed what I was saying - silly ! That commuting is part of modern life and I enjoy driving anyway !.... perhaps I can enjoy it more if I snap up a cheap new Mini !
No Chance of that ! You can buy 2 new small cars for the price of a mini.

thistakesthebiscuit says...
12:47pm Tue 17 Feb 09

Why are people so bitter and twisted. A job is a job, if you are fortunate to enjoy it then great. Does it matter if it is in an office with your feet up as someone put it, or working on a factory floor. Just because one is more physical it does mean you don't both go home at the end of the day exhausted. At the moment you are lucky if you have a job regardless of what it is. Why do people always think they are more hard done by than others. It is great everyone is so supportive of one another at the moment. I am sure there are a lot of reasons to why some people would not be happy about this commute. Of course people commute long distances but that is down to personal choice. Personally if it was between having a job and being able to pay the mortgage or not I would do it. But why jump before you are pushed as they say. Of course no-one is going to volunteer until their job is on the line. What about those people who have childcare issues to think about. There was talk of myself working out of Reading at one point which would have been a nightmare from that point of view. Great if you have family to rely on but not so great if you don't.

TKD4ever says...
12:48pm Tue 17 Feb 09

EastleazeRed wrote:
beakeryoumuppet wrote: what about sacking the 146 that wont relocate and re-employing 146 temps from oxford clearly staff are not thinking about there long term futures, two years is a short period and as long as the travelling expenses are covered surely its better to have a job even in oxford than no job at all
I have never heard such utter crap in all my life. You can’t just sack people because they won’t travel 35 miles to work, were not talking about travelling across Swindon here. I did this trip on earlies and lates, and as ODDSOCKS1 so perfectly put it 6.30 a.m. start on earlies, 5.30 on stand up, so you have to get up at 4.00 a.m. travel 35 miles, work until 4.00 p.m. maybe 5.00 p.m. on stand up, drive another 35 miles home on one of the worst roads in the south of England, and get home around 6.30 p.m. On lates it’s even worse, with stand up you don’t get home till nearly 4.00 a.m. The only reason I knew I was near home was because my car hit the roundabout at Farringdon on a number of occasions because I couldn’t keep my eyes open. And all of this on a reduced wage.2 months was bad enough, let alone 2 years.
Actually you can sack them for not travelling 35 miles to work. The law is that a company can relocate up to 40 miles and the staff have to travel to and from work, without being offered any extra payments, expenses, etc.

BMW don't even have to offer expenses or relocation packages as 35 miles isn't classed as too far to travel.

So yes they can be sacked, although it not called being sacked the workers are deemed to have quit.

beakeryoumuppet says...
12:55pm Tue 17 Feb 09

EastleazeRed wrote:
beakeryoumuppet wrote: what about sacking the 146 that wont relocate and re-employing 146 temps from oxford clearly staff are not thinking about there long term futures, two years is a short period and as long as the travelling expenses are covered surely its better to have a job even in oxford than no job at all
I have never heard such utter crap in all my life. You can’t just sack people because they won’t travel 35 miles to work, were not talking about travelling across Swindon here. I did this trip on earlies and lates, and as ODDSOCKS1 so perfectly put it 6.30 a.m. start on earlies, 5.30 on stand up, so you have to get up at 4.00 a.m. travel 35 miles, work until 4.00 p.m. maybe 5.00 p.m. on stand up, drive another 35 miles home on one of the worst roads in the south of England, and get home around 6.30 p.m. On lates it’s even worse, with stand up you don’t get home till nearly 4.00 a.m. The only reason I knew I was near home was because my car hit the roundabout at Farringdon on a number of occasions because I couldn’t keep my eyes open. And all of this on a reduced wage.2 months was bad enough, let alone 2 years.
Hardly

Unlike you i do live in the real world and it may be cheaper for BMW to be sued for unfair/constructive dismissal than keep workers in Swindon, for me having a wage coming in to pay the mortgage and feed and cloth the kids is more important than travelling a paltry 35 miles every day, hell i would and have travelled far more if it kept me in a wage and a roof over my families heads, BMW got rid of all there temps in oxford in order to keep there full time staff in a job this is not a decision that's made lightly, do you think BMW should have unfairly kept 150 TEMPORARY staff in Oxford and made 150 permanent staff in Swindon redundant? I agree its not ideal but hanging on to your job is far more important than pride and some temporary inconvenience, to me this smacks of the old BL and Rover days where staff felt that there institutionalised ways would see them though the problems i really hope for the workers and there families this is not true as we all know how it went with them, the staff and unions really need to work hard with BMW to get this resolved quickly as unfortunately there's 800 trained staff in oxford that need a job that will not think twice about taking them from Swindon workers.

ODDSOCKS1 says...
1:15pm Tue 17 Feb 09

As I have said these Jobs in Oxford are permanent.If things improve these people may not get back to Swindon as BMW prefer Temps.As at Oxford they can just get rid of them.
Do not give them the money.Put on coaches and Bus them till or if things Improve.I am sure That would get more going.
As for the Statement "they can just relocate you up to 40 miles away"That is rot It is nearer 30 miles.Do you not think BMW would have just sent them.They do not care about the workforce they just like making themselves look good.
If someone likes driving I am happy for you.The ones sent from BMW may not be as happy to.
There could be a compromise between the unions and BMW.But BMW has to be honest with the Workforce and the Media.

Ian13 says...
1:30pm Tue 17 Feb 09

How about groups of five workers relocate together and car share? They only have to drive once a week each then.
BMW do not owe you guys a living, the comapny has to make a profit or close.

EastleazeRed says...
1:46pm Tue 17 Feb 09

ODDSOCKS1 wrote:
As I have said these Jobs in Oxford are permanent.If things improve these people may not get back to Swindon as BMW prefer Temps.As at Oxford they can just get rid of them. Do not give them the money.Put on coaches and Bus them till or if things Improve.I am sure That would get more going. As for the Statement Your right ODDSOCKS1. BMW have been trying for years to get us to commute to oxford, but unfortunatly for them because its over 30 miles they have always had lay on transport.

Always Grumpy says...
2:17pm Tue 17 Feb 09

I spent nearly thirty years travelling 50 miles a day to and from work before I retired and wasn't paid a penny towards travelling costs. My choice, but better than staying at home because I didn't have a job. If I was a BMW worker I would sooner travel to Oxford everyday than be out of a work. They should be careful what they wish for ie not travelling to Oxford. The alternative might be regular trips to sign on as unemployed.

Tonyblairisthedevil says...
4:08pm Tue 17 Feb 09

£6500 over two years to travel 35 miles, and people are actually moaning..

Lol no wonder this country sucks so much when people cannot be arsed to do that. Try car sharing. i used to work in Farnborough and shared the journey with 3 other people. I got nothing extra for it

Support_British_Manufacturing says...
4:12pm Tue 17 Feb 09

I would not want to travel 70 miles a day if I was employed in the Swindon Plant. Would any of you hero's who travel to work 50 miles a day fancy getting up at 4am and travelling on a very dangerous road to a job that is worse than you have currently got and then getting back and seeing your family at 7pm? In reality I reckon not.
It annoys me that the media are whipping up a storm over 850 temps that were "sacked". They were not sacked, their contract with their agency was terminated. There was no more work for them. If you are a temp that is what happens when the car industry is on a downturn. Only one hours notice you hear people cry, could you think there might of been reasoning behind this? Vehicles on the track and equipment could have been damaged otherwise as has happened before. If you are not happy with the terms of being a temp find other permanent employment. If the car industry did not use temporary labour the cars the consumer would be buying would be more expensive.

ODDSOCKS1 says...
4:54pm Tue 17 Feb 09

Tonyblairisthedevil wrote:
£6500 over two years to travel 35 miles, and people are actually moaning.. Lol no wonder this country sucks so much when people cannot be arsed to do that. Try car sharing. i used to work in Farnborough and shared the journey with 3 other people. I got nothing extra for it
£1.500 Is What the Oxford worker's got to sell part of their contract.The Swindon Workers will go on to the Oxford contract which is worse than the Swindon one.The petrol money £5000 is paid Monthly over 2 years that is it.It is a permanent job not a 2 year job.It is all taxable.

It is not 35 Miles a day.It is between 60-70 a day.It does not matter you did it that was your choice.These people do not want to do it and may be forced to do it.

It will be a Lot more than 150 by the end of the year and when the Tory's get in it will be a lot more.

Loveall says...
5:05pm Tue 17 Feb 09

A job that last for years can not be classed as temporary. The only reason BMW used the 'temporary' workers is so that they can let them go with out any financial obligations. And the unions let this happen.

Support_British_Manufacturing says...
5:21pm Tue 17 Feb 09

Loveall wrote:
A job that last for years can not be classed as temporary. The only reason BMW used the 'temporary' workers is so that they can let them go with out any financial obligations. And the unions let this happen.
All automotive manufacturers use temporary labour not just BMW/MINI. Correct, they do employ them via the agency so they have no financial obligations but the agency employees do know this. It makes sound financial sense to do this. I don't like to see anyone loose their job but the terms and conditions were not hidden from these employees. Perhaps the agency should give them financial support as they are their real employer and have been happily taking BMW money for the last few years.

TheBlackHand says...
7:20pm Tue 17 Feb 09

150 people, no car sharing what impact will this have on the environment? come on greens haven't heard from you lot yet, might as well add you lot in to the debate. Good news for the oil companies though, more petrol being used. Good news for recovery services also, tyre dealers,insurance companies, hey i thought times were bad!

the_owl says...
12:32pm Wed 18 Feb 09

SBM is right that they knew the terms of employment when they signed their contracts with their agencies, but, as someone who has been reluctantly working for agencies for years, it is usually the case that you either work for an agency or don't work at all. Temps should have more support or temporary work should be abolished in favour of permanent placements.

donna162 says...
5:35pm Wed 18 Feb 09

my husband worked there 4 years for the agency got laid of xmas he would love to be asked to go to cowley any offers without the petrol money

faatmaan says...
7:04pm Sun 22 Feb 09

surely driving the 35 miles (Approx 1 hour on a good day) after a 12 hour shift is sailing very close to the wind for safety reasons, remember an employer who directs you to this regime is culpable for your safety on the homeward bound journey, especially under the new H & S legislation, I also work in the Oxford area , but do not work in excess of 9 hours a day. I agree with the sentiment about this road and its inherent dangers, will BMW make free coffee available before you depart the plant, and just think, whenever their an accident on the Eastern/southern bypasses the travelling time rises considerably, even an incident at junction 9 of the M40 can impact on Oxford roads.Also out of interest , if you work a 12 hour shift, spend 2 hours minimum commuting, rise 1 hour before shift, sleep 8 hours, how much free time is left for unwinding,,, hmm maximum one hour,
I think people are being given a stark choice of employment or possible dismissal. Its a no win scenario, the unions need to stand firm and set out rest times and remuneration with total transparency.

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...
3:18pm Mon 23 Feb 09

I'd just like to offer a small correction - the road isn't any more dangerous than the idiots that think it's ok to overtake across double white lines, across junctions, round bends and so on that are a regular sight on this road. There's nothing inherently dangerous about the road. As someone once said - "the most important part of a car is the nut behind the wheel".


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