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Parking cost cuts lure in shoppers


A SHOPPING centre manager has warned of a “footfall wipe-out” for town centre shops unless the council extends its cut-rate parking fees indefinitely.

Tony Wilkes, the manager of the Brunel Centre, is urging Swindon Council to extend the scheme, which saw parking prices more than halved in September – from £4.80 to £2 for a four-hour stay.

He said that since the rates were introduced the number shoppers at the centre has improved by seven per cent – from 17 per cent down year-on-year, in September, to 10 per cent down so far in December.

“We will be meeting with the council before the scheme ends on January 10 to urge them to continue it for at least 12 months,” said Mr Wilkes.

“My prediction is that if they were to end this deal shopper footfall at the Brunel would return to 17 per cent down in January – and no one wants that.

“The council needs to understand that the climate has changed, there is now more competition out there with the Orbital and the Outlet Village.

“They must recognise that to improve people’s spending parking rates must remain realistic.”

The good news, he said, was that although the number of Christmas shoppers in the centre had bottomed out by 10 per cent since 2008 the total revenue remained the same, meaning fewer people were spending more.

He said: “If the council were to remove these improved tariffs it would cause a wipe-out in January.

“In fact we will be asking them to improve the deal to encourage more families – we would prefer it to run from 9am to 4pm instead of 10am to 4pm, which is the way it is currently.

“I believe that will improve parking from Monday to Friday.

“At the moment the fourth and fifth parking levels are empty – that improvement should fill them up.”

Phil Young, Swindon Council’s cabinet member for culture, regeneration and economic development, said parking figures have improved from 80,034 motorists parking up at Brunel North, Brunel West and Fleming Way car parks in September, to 90,553 in October and 96,484 in December.

However, he added that the council does not have data from previous years to compare because older machines, which did not hold similar data, have recently been replaced.

He said: “This is fantastic news, it’s great that the reduction appears to be working. This evidence definitely gives us something to think about before January.

“I think these statistics underline our strategy, meaning that if you give someone a four-hour ticket for about the same price as an hour long stay, they will spend more time and money in the town centre.”

He said there is little chance the scheme will be extending beyond Brunel North, Brunel West and Fleming Way car parks.

Comments(18)

Support_British_Manufacturing says...
6:46am Tue 15 Dec 09

"He said that since the rates were introduced the number shoppers at the centre has improved by seven per cent – from 17 per cent down year-on-year, in September, to 10 per cent down so far in December" - Don't you just love stats? Where does he get this info from?

perfectpete says...
7:33am Tue 15 Dec 09

Thats great news, wow 17%!!!
Put the rents up on the shops and that way you can still have your increase in sales! and the council tax payer won't have to pay the bill. Lol

real -life says...
8:04am Tue 15 Dec 09

“The council needs to understand that the climate has changed, there is now more competition out there with the Orbital and the Outlet Village."
That is exactly the problem the town centre is just too expensive. Why pay £35 for a pair of trousers at M&S in the town centre when u can pay £25 at the outlet centre and less parking charges? Or pay £20 at TKMaxx for even better ones and park for free! When money is tight, we all go for the bargains, I dont buy anything in the town centre at all, it expensive, busy and utterly depressing. And with the growth of the Internet as well it is sadly only living on borrowed time.

Old Town says...
8:48am Tue 15 Dec 09

The problem also still exists for someone "nipping" into town for less than 1 hour.
.
You still have to pay £2 - so in fact for these people (believe me I am in and out of town as quickly as possible) we are in fact paying more - not less...
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I applaud the £2 charge for longer stayers - but why not also have a £1 charge for an hour - then £2 for up to 4 hours ?
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It's obvious really - they want to make more and more off the people who are not in town for long.....

politicrat says...
9:02am Tue 15 Dec 09

if it wasnt for the old Debenhams and BHS, there wouldn't be a town shopping centre!
It is now obvious that the Orbital has won the day with its free parking, nice restaurants, library and good choice of quality shops.
Maybe town centre could come back to life with a music venue and maybe a quality shopping mall, but I really do not see this happening for the following reasons:
1- Town centre traffic is nightmarish at best of times
2- Town centre is looking old, ugly and filthy putting shoppers off
3- parking is not only expensive and it doesnt feel safe to leave you car parked either
Town centre RIP

Mr_Big says...
9:18am Tue 15 Dec 09

Old Town wrote:
The problem also still exists for someone "nipping" into town for less than 1 hour. . You still have to pay £2 - so in fact for these people (believe me I am in and out of town as quickly as possible) we are in fact paying more - not less... . I applaud the £2 charge for longer stayers - but why not also have a £1 charge for an hour - then £2 for up to 4 hours ? . It's obvious really - they want to make more and more off the people who are not in town for long.....
You could walk from Old Town 'Old Town'! This brings a new definition to the word indolent.

Support_British_Manufacturing says...
9:23am Tue 15 Dec 09

Mr_Big wrote:
Old Town wrote: The problem also still exists for someone "nipping" into town for less than 1 hour. . You still have to pay £2 - so in fact for these people (believe me I am in and out of town as quickly as possible) we are in fact paying more - not less... . I applaud the £2 charge for longer stayers - but why not also have a £1 charge for an hour - then £2 for up to 4 hours ? . It's obvious really - they want to make more and more off the people who are not in town for long.....
You could walk from Old Town 'Old Town'! This brings a new definition to the word indolent.
Here we go again!

Support_British_Manufacturing says...
9:26am Tue 15 Dec 09

Old Town wrote:
The problem also still exists for someone "nipping" into town for less than 1 hour. . You still have to pay £2 - so in fact for these people (believe me I am in and out of town as quickly as possible) we are in fact paying more - not less... . I applaud the £2 charge for longer stayers - but why not also have a £1 charge for an hour - then £2 for up to 4 hours ? . It's obvious really - they want to make more and more off the people who are not in town for long.....
I agree, if I should ever need to go into the Town Centre (and I hope I do not), £2.00 for 1-hour parking is madness!

The Real Bev says...
10:25am Tue 15 Dec 09

I went into Swindon town on Sunday and parked for 3 hours and it cost me.............£4.6
0!!!! where is the cost cut in that????

Billy-o says...
10:42am Tue 15 Dec 09

politicrat wrote:
if it wasnt for the old Debenhams and BHS, there wouldn't be a town shopping centre! It is now obvious that the Orbital has won the day with its free parking, nice restaurants, library and good choice of quality shops. Maybe town centre could come back to life with a music venue and maybe a quality shopping mall, but I really do not see this happening for the following reasons: 1- Town centre traffic is nightmarish at best of times 2- Town centre is looking old, ugly and filthy putting shoppers off 3- parking is not only expensive and it doesnt feel safe to leave you car parked either Town centre RIP
The Council needs to stick with its strategy for making the town centre the key shopping destination in the Borough. The Orbital, Greenbridge and TKMaxx are undermining this, and undermining the success of the town at the same time.


The Orbital, Greenbridge and the outlet centre are car dominated places which contribute to the town's traffic being 'nightmarish'. In the case of the outlet and TKMaxx, they sell a limited range of last years unwanted stock in shops whose staff are poor. The environments for shopping are hideous unless you apprciate the finer elements of massive car parks. They do not enrich our lives.

The town centre is far from perfect, but it should be the heartbeat of Swindon. The Council is right to try to fight for it.

As a Swindon resident for ten years, now living in Brixton, London, you don't really know about nightmarish traffic, filthy streets and the risk of parking your car for a few minutes. Swindon town centre has it so good, comparatively.

politicrat says...
11:01am Tue 15 Dec 09

Billy-o wrote:
politicrat wrote: if it wasnt for the old Debenhams and BHS, there wouldn't be a town shopping centre! It is now obvious that the Orbital has won the day with its free parking, nice restaurants, library and good choice of quality shops. Maybe town centre could come back to life with a music venue and maybe a quality shopping mall, but I really do not see this happening for the following reasons: 1- Town centre traffic is nightmarish at best of times 2- Town centre is looking old, ugly and filthy putting shoppers off 3- parking is not only expensive and it doesnt feel safe to leave you car parked either Town centre RIP
The Council needs to stick with its strategy for making the town centre the key shopping destination in the Borough. The Orbital, Greenbridge and TKMaxx are undermining this, and undermining the success of the town at the same time. The Orbital, Greenbridge and the outlet centre are car dominated places which contribute to the town's traffic being 'nightmarish'. In the case of the outlet and TKMaxx, they sell a limited range of last years unwanted stock in shops whose staff are poor. The environments for shopping are hideous unless you apprciate the finer elements of massive car parks. They do not enrich our lives. The town centre is far from perfect, but it should be the heartbeat of Swindon. The Council is right to try to fight for it. As a Swindon resident for ten years, now living in Brixton, London, you don't really know about nightmarish traffic, filthy streets and the risk of parking your car for a few minutes. Swindon town centre has it so good, comparatively.
let me ask you a question:
How do shoppers go to Cribbs or to the oracle? on foot, by train or by car?
If you want Swindon centre to resurrect there is no secret!
better transportation, easy access, easy and cheap parking and quality shops in a concentrated mall.

Failing to provide any of the above will inevitably push shoppers to the out of town shops because it is just so much more convenient!

real -life says...
11:14am Tue 15 Dec 09

""In the case of the outlet and TKMaxx, they sell a limited range of last years unwanted stock in shops whose staff are poor.""
So you shop at Primark, New Look and Top Shop who are about 5 years out of date with cheap far eastern tat that lasts about 5 minutes then?
Sorry the town centre is on the way out unless a proper regeneration is done and fast.

Support_British_Manufacturing says...
11:26am Tue 15 Dec 09

Billy O - "The Orbital, Greenbridge and the outlet centre are car dominated places which contribute to the town's traffic being 'nightmarish'" - I would say that 3 different locations spreads congestion.
"In the case of the outlet and TKMaxx, they sell a limited range of last years unwanted stock in shops whose staff are poor" - Maybe this is what people want in a recession? and I think its a bit harsh saying their staff are poor.
As I said before, Swindon had a golden opertunity to build a new shopping centre/mall on the site of the new B&Q/Lidl/Thamesdown Transport site. Access straight off a dual carriageway, close to the M4. They could of started with blank sheet of paper. Unfortunately Swindon residents have to put up with remnants of 70's, 80's, 90's architecture so its never going to look "pretty", shops with expensive rents, poor choice of shops, undelightfuls hanging around, I could go on but i wont!

The ModFather says...
2:52pm Tue 15 Dec 09

Its times like this when I am glad I'm a Mod. Scooter riders get to park for free in all Swindon Car Parks and we can stay as long as we like. As for the town centre shops, they are ok but they dont really cater for people who dress as stylish as I do. But its useful for picking up a few odd bits. I tend not to go anywear near the Orbital as I can not tolorate the amount of Traffic Lights they have installed on Thamesdown Drive.

politicrat says...
3:54pm Tue 15 Dec 09

The ModFather wrote:
Its times like this when I am glad I'm a Mod. Scooter riders get to park for free in all Swindon Car Parks and we can stay as long as we like. As for the town centre shops, they are ok but they dont really cater for people who dress as stylish as I do. But its useful for picking up a few odd bits. I tend not to go anywear near the Orbital as I can not tolorate the amount of Traffic Lights they have installed on Thamesdown Drive.
surprising the council didnt think of setting up roundabouts on thamesdown drive lol

Support_British_Manufacturing says...
4:13pm Tue 15 Dec 09

"I tend not to go anywear near the Orbital as I can not tolorate the amount of Traffic Lights they have installed on Thamesdown Drive" - Do you keep getting blown away by proper bikes whilst on that hairdryer of yours at the traffic light GP do ya? :)

Billy-o says...
11:23am Wed 16 Dec 09

Support_British_Manu
facturing
wrote:
Billy O - "The Orbital, Greenbridge and the outlet centre are car dominated places which contribute to the town's traffic being 'nightmarish'" - I would say that 3 different locations spreads congestion. "In the case of the outlet and TKMaxx, they sell a limited range of last years unwanted stock in shops whose staff are poor" - Maybe this is what people want in a recession? and I think its a bit harsh saying their staff are poor. As I said before, Swindon had a golden opertunity to build a new shopping centre/mall on the site of the new B&Q/Lidl/Thamesd
own Transport site. Access straight off a dual carriageway, close to the M4. They could of started with blank sheet of paper. Unfortunately Swindon residents have to put up with remnants of 70's, 80's, 90's architecture so its never going to look "pretty", shops with expensive rents, poor choice of shops, undelightfuls hanging around, I could go on but i wont!
Great, lets 'spread congestion'. Just what the planet needs.

Focussing on the town centre for retail and other needs means that you can also focus transport needs, including alternatives on it. Allowing lots of car dominated retail parks all over Swindon might mean that cars and congestion are spread all over the town ultimately making public transport inefficient and expensive and unreliable. The only sensible way to resolve this is to focus efforts on the town centre where economies of scale and an effective critical mass will help to resolve the problems. Spreading cars all over the place and forcing people into souless boxes is not the way forward, period. Unfortunately, we're learning by our mistakes and the horse has long gone from the stable.

I Too says...
5:59pm Wed 16 Dec 09

Good to see, that councillor Billy-o, read the many responses, to his propoganda, thoroughly.


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