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We're being forced out, say street traders


UP with the lark come rain or shine they are selling their wares before the clock strikes nine and the shop shutters begin to rise.

But Swindon street traders will soon be a thing of the past because Swindon Council’s regeneration plans have no place for them in the town centre.

Now residents have hit back with a petition to keep the likes of Lisamarie’s Donuts and the Flower Barrow trading.

Flower Barrow owners Beth Howes and Jackie Clark have gathered more than 1,000 signatures alone, a sign they say shows they deserve to remain doing the job they have done for 25 years.

Beth, 49, said “The council don’t want us here because they are changing the image of the town centre, but I don’t see how a stall selling flowers could do anything but attract customers.

“We’re not bringing the area down, we’re not unsightly and we have been here 25 years.

“If we are forced to move we’ll not last a year.”

The pair claim they were originally offered a free-standing secure unit under the canopy in The Parade but after the regeneration plans developed, they were told the unit would no longer be built.

“The problem with that is that we hadn’t thought of a contingency plan,” said Jackie.

“We were told in black and white the unit was ours so we thought our future was secure.

“Now it’s just days until we have to move and we have nowhere.”

Swindon Council has suggested to the pair that they trade from the former Post Office site by Swindon Bus Station, but Jackie and Beth said without the passing trade the business they have worked so hard to build could fail.

“We just won’t get any footfall there,” said Jackie.

“The great thing about being in the parade is that customers are always passing and most people know where to find us. Take us away and we just won’t last.”

Barbara Mazzotta, who runs Lisamarie’s Donuts, said she will have to be physically removed from the site as she has no intention of leaving. She said: “This is my livelihood.

“The empty shops around here are so expensive we couldn’t afford to rent one and I don’t see the council dropping the rates.

“I can’t understand why they have a problem with us.

“If the public didn’t like me being here I wouldn’t have been able to stay in business for 14 years, so I can’t see where the reasoning is behind this.”

Saturday’s shoppers agreed. Phil Bright, from Highworth, once worked on Flower Barrow. He said: “It’s someone's livelihood at the end of the day and the council should be supporting small businesses not making them move somewhere where business will suffer.”

Shaw Ballard, from Stratton, said: “If you take away the street traders you will be taking away part of Swindon’s character. For one thing I think the people who shop in Swindon should be consulted before decisions like this are made because these are big decisions.

“Once we had a canal running through here, that was taken away and now the council want it back. Take the street traders away and it will only be a matter of time before the council will want them back too.”

One elderly shopper, who didn’t want to be named, said: “I buy my flowers off the flower ladies and would hate to see them go.

“There are not many shops anymore who make you up a bouquet while you wait and you certainly can’t get that service in the supermarkets.

“It’s not nice to push them out. It’s a sad state of affairs.”

Daniel King, 25, who lives in the town centre, said: “I think this move will ultimately strip the character out of our town centre.

“Sadly, I don’t think for one minute people from Chippenham or Calne or Lechlade will now be driving into Swindon to shop because these traders are going – live and let live, that’s what I say.”

But one woman, who did not want to be named, said the decision to stop traders selling in the street should be made on a case by case basis.

“I don’t think you should just put a blanket ban on all traders,” she said.

“I do agree that there are one or two street traders that are a bit tacky for the town centre, but then you have others which make it a more colourful place.

“If the council is going to change the rules, they should do it judging each case separately.”

We have tried to help – council

IT was six months ago when Swindon Council’s licensing committee made the decision to “tidy up” the town centre in readiness for the regeneration.

From March 31, street traders will be unable to ply their wares along Regent Street, The Parade, Bridge Street and Canal Walk.

The Adver reported on Saturday that some traders have said they will defy the ban.

A council spokesman said that traders had been aware of the ban when the decision was made.

He said: “We do understand the effect this will have on the three traders concerned which is why we have given them a huge amount of notice and tried to help with advice about alternative sites, if we’ve been asked.

“The flower seller in The Parade has just put in a planning application to trade from the other side of the underpass from The Parade, for example, but we have not had any other applications from the other traders.

“This is all about improving the shopping centre and the experience of shoppers and is supported by the majority of businesses in the town centre who have made it clear to us that they support what we are doing.

“We believe the decision is right and will ultimately make the town centre a more attractive place to be.”

Comments(33)

Billy Jo says...
8:39pm Sun 21 Mar 10

“Sadly, I don’t think for one minute people from Chippenham or Calne or Lechlade will now be driving into Swindon to shop because these traders are going – live and let live, that’s what I say.”

And I don't think for one minute people drive from these places to buy a bunch of flowers or a bag of doughnuts.

ArnoldLane says...
9:10pm Sun 21 Mar 10

The problem with Swindon Council is that they don't have a consistent, coherent plan.
They start jobs but the never seem to finish them.
You only have to look around the town at all the sites where work has started ... then stopped.
If they spent more effort and resources actually finishing a job for once, the town would be a far more sightly place.
It will take more than the loss of livelihoods of a handful of street traders to improve this town.
Maybe one or two of the street traders would like to apply for the jobs of councilors. They are probably more in tune to the needs and wants of Swindon people than the existing councilors.

real -life says...
9:15pm Sun 21 Mar 10

So why dont the Council actually ask the people of Swindon who pay their inflated salaries what we want. Oh yes that might mean a bit of initiative, not something SBC are famous for with all their long standing way out of touch managers. What a mess the town centre is anyway, how is this small step going to help exactly?

I Too says...
11:02pm Sun 21 Mar 10

It's all been said before, but "Swindon Borough Clownschool strikes again"

Tony Hillier says...
7:19am Mon 22 Mar 10

Surely SBC must agree that:

(even if it is only because local and national elections)

a postponement until further consultation and open, democratic new decision making is carried out on this issue.

Postpone for a year in the first instance.

Regeneration will not happen overnight and if after it is finished and lived with for say a year, Swindon voters truly democratically decide traders 'on balance detract from the image, range of services and atmosphere in the town centre'

New proposal :

That the implementation of the decision to ban traders be stopped until further research has been carried out including one year of stalls operating after an agreed date that the talked about regeneration stage has been reached.

All those in favour ....say Yes !

Ian13 says...
8:06am Mon 22 Mar 10

Surely if these traders are making a living from their businesses then someone must be using them.
In which case they are providing a service and so should be allowed to continue as they are.

Al Smith says...
9:34am Mon 22 Mar 10

People talk about other towns having street traders. I was dragged a while back to the new shopping centre in Cardiff. Yes Cardiff did have street traders, legal ones like flower and fruit and veg stalls and one or two illegal looking ones operating out a shopping trolley. However I did notice this: no smelly food vans and no mobile accessory stalls.
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So keep the flower stalls as they do add something to the town centre, but why not move the rest into the market hall? Plenty of units there, short leases available as well from what I've heard. If they don't want a unit inside let them trade outside.
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In the last thread about this subject someone said M&S started as a stall - yes as MARKET stall in kirkgate market not as a street trader.

Disco20 says...
9:51am Mon 22 Mar 10

This council disgusts me. I know the traders involved and the amount of work they put into the set up of the Barrow is phenominal.
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Reputable street traders who have been around for years should not be moved off the parade, it will just allow the dross of society to gather around under the canopy and cause hassle.
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Oh, btw, Swindon council. Answer this: Will you be allowing the mobile arcades and childrens merry-go-rounds come Summer & Christmas time..? Yeah, thought so!
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I think the Adver could do with posing some serious questions to the council and not just take their lame-a$$ answers.

Mr Blackwell says...
9:58am Mon 22 Mar 10

Do these street traders currently pay any kind of fee for their spots, or are they trading for free?
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Personally, I don't really think they detract from the town centre. What DOES detract from the town centre is the fact that 33% of the premises are empty or closing down.
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That being the case, I can't quite see how forcing yet more traders to close down is going to help matters.
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I'd also far rather walk past a flower stall than yet another Pound Shop.

trevsinclair says...
10:00am Mon 22 Mar 10

Where can we read in black and white the proposals put forward by SBC, in their tongue? There must be more to it than 'Let's boot them out'

The notion that 'it started as a market' is not really an argument... we are in the 21st century now not the 19th!

I for one back it as this will make the town centre a place that people will want to come to and also the right kind of stores to fill the many empty shops.

...here's a thought... why don't the traders do a deal for the empty units? I hear that one recently got an 18month rent free period on a 24 month lease!

Mr Blackwell says...
10:40am Mon 22 Mar 10

@trevsinclair: "we are in the 21st century now not the 19th!"
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Although, on the rare occasion I'm forced to go into Swindon town centre, one could be forgiven for confusing the two.

Tez_mum says...
10:57am Mon 22 Mar 10

This is disgusting!! Its been part of my daughters childhood going to town, shopping and then she goes and buys the doughnuts! Its going to make town sterile and unwelcoming.

And what about when they turn the Xmas lights on? If these hard working people aren't allowed there then there's no way the xmas sellers and Heart will be allowed, its not 'in the plans'!!

Well done Council! You've just killed an already dying town centre.

real -life says...
11:24am Mon 22 Mar 10

I hear the Council twinning committee cant decide who to twin the town with out of Basra, Beiruit or Kabul. I would have said all 3 judging by the way it looks at present!
We are so far behind every other town/City in the area, its criminal. The only thing SBC really excel at is making excuses for not doing things or messing them up. If it was an Olympic event, the Civic Offices would be dripping with gold!!!!!

silvergran says...
11:46am Mon 22 Mar 10

The flower sellers add to the town centre, not detract from it. It's a sad state of affairs that SBC are trying to move someone who has been in business for so long. They are making a living from selling the flowers so there must be a demand for them.

I don't care to smell hot dogs or donuts cooking but the flowers are a very pleasant sight in a drab town centre which will never be very popular no matter how much money is thrown at it.

Disco20 says...
12:26pm Mon 22 Mar 10

There will still be the fairground activities come school holidays which in my humble opinion make the town centre look like a joke.
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I doubt the petition will make any kind of difference as the council is sent on destroying this town.
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@ Blackwell, yes the traders are required to pay rates to trade in the town centre. You do not get anything for free in this day and age.
Also, a flower shop would not be as effective as a stall for passing trade.

batch says...
12:27pm Mon 22 Mar 10

@trevsinclair "I for one back it as this will make the town centre a place that people will want to come to "

How will moving on a few street trader make Swindon entice more people? Surely the spere of influence is only going to be negatively impacted by reducing what the town has to offer. Even if most people don't come to specifically buy flowers or doughnuts. But its nice to have the choice. Shame on SBC.

batch says...
12:27pm Mon 22 Mar 10

@trevsinclair "I for one back it as this will make the town centre a place that people will want to come to "

How will moving on a few street trader make Swindon entice more people? Surely the spere of influence is only going to be negatively impacted by reducing what the town has to offer. Even if most people don't come to specifically buy flowers or doughnuts. But its nice to have the choice. Shame on SBC.

reality_check says...
12:54pm Mon 22 Mar 10

I Too says "It's all been said before, but "Swindon Borough Clownschool strikes again"".
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Genius. Brilliant contribution again. Thanks for that.

real -life says...
2:21pm Mon 22 Mar 10

Disco20 says ""I doubt the petition will make any kind of difference as the council is sent on destroying this town.""

I actually disagree with that. I dont think they are trying to destroy the town, they are just so wildly incompetant and out of touch with how to run any town, that we have the chaos and waste that we see everywhere. I had the misfortune to work at SBC a few years back and the powers that be are so blinkered and narrow that they cant even see the problem. The real problem is that none of them have ever had any experience of running a proper business where you live or die by the quality of your customer service. Any local authority is by its nature a monopoly, we have nowhere else to go for our council services unlike most other businesses where you have a choice.
As a result, complacency and lazyness has set in, after all why work hard and go the extra mile when you dont have to and your customers will keep coming back no matter how bad the service you provide and added to that the fact they are legally bound to pay for it!
Most council workers wouldn't last 5 mins in any other job (which is why so many stay which perpetuates the problem) and the ones that would, tend to move on quickly as they soon learn that no one has any intention or ability to change anything.
And of course all the "Partners" and "Consultants" take full advantage of the inept council to line their own pockets while not having to work very hard to do it.
I actually like living here and feel very let down by the bunch of dinosaurs running (down) our town, I do hope it changes, but I for one wont be holding my breath.

fudgebunny says...
2:23pm Mon 22 Mar 10

I think the street traders have given life and colours to the town centre especially when a lot of the shops have closed down during this economics downturn. I can't imagine walking on the Regent street without seeing the beautiful flowers with seasonal colours waving at you and tempting you to bring them home; the smell of delicious doughnuts that make you think" Well, I can always start my diet tomorrow!"... All these little things may not cross your mind everyday, but this is something which makes the character of the town so special.
I would hate to see that one day everything you see is shiny windows display totally lack of characters.
You can't smell anything nice but cheap perfume or mass chain store of fast food...You can't tell whether you are shopping at Reading or Bristol. The individuallity has been conquered by the GIANT chainstores enterprise.
The livelihood of the traders depend on Swindon, Swindon needs them too.

Gooey says...
2:23pm Mon 22 Mar 10

Leave the stall holders alone.

Captain Sensible says...
2:37pm Mon 22 Mar 10

Apart from the flower stall they are pretty tacky and scruffy, but what will be gained by removing them? The town centre is a run down patched up dump anyway, removing afew stalls will make no difference at all.

M-Y-O-B says...
4:13pm Mon 22 Mar 10

I'm all for getting rid of the doughnut/hotdog and food vans as when you walk through town, boiling fat is the last thing you want to smell, but the flower stall does add a bit of colour and atmosphere in a dull dead end town centre.
Also if the sellers can't sell thier food/flowers then it's only right that the foriegn markets don't continue and the fairground rides and the people stopping shoppers to sell them something or conduct market research!!!!!
As a town centre swindon really is shocking Bristol,Bath,Reading etc is always a more worthwhile experience!!

Advocatus Diaboli says...
4:27pm Mon 22 Mar 10

Where’s the ambition in this town?
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I’m frankly astonished that anybody would consider a bunch of pikey Burger vans etc an improvement the town centre. Get rid of them!

Captain Sensible says...
5:13pm Mon 22 Mar 10

Yes thats how bad out town 'centre' is now, the pikey burger vans actually 'add value' to it!

Disco20 says...
5:16pm Mon 22 Mar 10

real -life wrote:
Disco20 says ""I doubt the petition will make any kind of difference as the council is sent on destroying this town."" I actually disagree with that. I dont think they are trying to destroy the town, they are just so wildly incompetant and out of touch with how to run any town, that we have the chaos and waste that we see everywhere. I had the misfortune to work at SBC a few years back and the powers that be are so blinkered and narrow that they cant even see the problem. The real problem is that none of them have ever had any experience of running a proper business where you live or die by the quality of your customer service. Any local authority is by its nature a monopoly, we have nowhere else to go for our council services unlike most other businesses where you have a choice. As a result, complacency and lazyness has set in, after all why work hard and go the extra mile when you dont have to and your customers will keep coming back no matter how bad the service you provide and added to that the fact they are legally bound to pay for it! Most council workers wouldn't last 5 mins in any other job (which is why so many stay which perpetuates the problem) and the ones that would, tend to move on quickly as they soon learn that no one has any intention or ability to change anything. And of course all the "Partners" and "Consultants" take full advantage of the inept council to line their own pockets while not having to work very hard to do it. I actually like living here and feel very let down by the bunch of dinosaurs running (down) our town, I do hope it changes, but I for one wont be holding my breath.
Well summed up.
Having worked briefly for Swindon Services back in late 90's i can only agree.

Foxhill says...
6:53pm Mon 22 Mar 10

Bring back Fleet Street market! Oh you can't, as you forced them all out of town in the 90's. Bring back the Brunel Centre market! Oh wait, they're all in the that big white tit now.

Bring back GOLF SALE signs!

reality_check says...
10:05pm Mon 22 Mar 10

@real-life - well said. I concur.

reality_check says...
10:05pm Mon 22 Mar 10

@real-life - well said. I concur.

daddikins says...
12:18am Tue 23 Mar 10

Personally I think it wil be a good job when the doughnut stalls go. For years the air has been polluted by the smell of the oil and it is disgusting that people using the town shops near the parade have to face this.

You can smell the stench even in some of the shops and it must be most unpleasant for staff working there.

I may be in a minority but I believe that I should be able to shop without having my nostrils attacked by the stink of the oil. Well done SBC

Mr Blackwell says...
2:17am Tue 23 Mar 10

@real -life: "I hear the Council twinning committee cant decide who to twin the town with out of Basra, Beiruit or Kabul."
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After having had to walk through the town centre earlier today, I think we're actually twinned with all three - there certainly appeared to be a large scale exchange programme in operation anyway.

itsamess says...
8:25am Tue 23 Mar 10

daddikins

WOW--you must get very lonely in the town centre--or do you go there to see the beauty of the place?

Disco20 says...
11:44am Tue 23 Mar 10

Daddikins, Not liking the smell of flowers then?!
Obviously you are in an extreme minority as all busineses are doing well enough to want to stay.
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At Blackwell, i believe your comment is bordering on racism. No place for that here.


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