Mixed feelings over site plans (From Swindon Advertiser)

You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not please all of the people all of the time.

Damned if you do..damned if you don't

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I do find it amazing anyone could complain about noise. It was a college before! I do wonder what Swindonians actually want for the town when they complain about a development (now without tower eyesore) which will be restaurants and a cinema.
My only concern is that the buildings look very bland. For a cultural hub you would think they would be a bit more edgy and challenging.

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Or do you want another cafe in the town center.

Marcus Cicero wrote:
Do you want us to continue with our membership of the EU?
Do you want us to adopt the Euro?
Do you want us to limit all immigration, including from the EU?
Do you want to keep paying quangos and consultants in government and local authorities?
Do you want to keep paying local authority employees £100,000+ salaries?
Do you want the NHS to be clean and caring?
Do you want England to be split into regions reporting directly to Brussels?
Do you want your local authority to attract and welcome new businesses?
Do you want an English Parliament?
Do you want the label 'Made in England' or 'British' to mean just that?
Do you want Nuclear power?

Or do you want another cafe in the town center.

Another cafe in the town please

Typical SBC, no vision, replace one dismal eyesore with another one.

I see that that nice new silver urinal is almost finished in the town centre, quite visionary, it'll certainly help stop drunken yobs from urinating in shop doorways. How long do you reckon it'll work for before it breaks down never to be repaired and gets removed like the Jubilee clock?

Oldwiseone - you may well be old - but where's your wisdom? The difference between a college and a developed site with bars and restaraunts AND A 24 HOUR THROUGH ROUTE (caps for emphasis so you don't miss the point this time) is pretty obvious: The town centre 'lager cauldron' fills with drunken youth who like to crawl (sometimes literally) from one venue to another: go and enjoy the fighting/vomiting/ur
inating which takes place up and down Vic Hill every thursday Friday and Saturday night as evidence. At least Vic Hill is wide, relatively well lit - and even the police can't pretend to ignore whats going on. Now look and think (if your age doesn't prevent you?) about what will happen if the new site features a visible route right through the heart of the development. It means that every drunken little *** hell-bent on a change of scene at 1.00am is going to cut off going up the hill via 'curry corner' and is going to head straight through the site up or down those narrow residential streets. Simple. Obvious. Predicatable. No one seems to be talking about wanting to stop the development - simply reasonably asking that it doesn't become a drunken chav late night through-route.

You seem to have deliberately missed the point. Friend of the developer? Of course, they couldn't care less about the local residents or what is actually a very simple and reasonable request. This is all about cash and profit.

Badprospects thank you for your detailed reply. I'm glad you didn't rely to heavy on stereotypying me.
What I was trying to hoping add to the debate was the fact that we want to add something different to the town away from the pubs and clubs. So here it is restaurants and a cinema. Can't really imagine the die hard larger lot thinking I'll just stop in for a bite to eat a meal at strada on my way through

Marcus Cicero wrote:
Do you want us to continue with our membership of the EU? Do you want us to adopt the Euro? Do you want us to limit all immigration, including from the EU? Do you want to keep paying quangos and consultants in government and local authorities? Do you want to keep paying local authority employees £100,000+ salaries? Do you want the NHS to be clean and caring? Do you want England to be split into regions reporting directly to Brussels? Do you want your local authority to attract and welcome new businesses? Do you want an English Parliament? Do you want the label 'Made in England' or 'British' to mean just that? Do you want Nuclear power? Or do you want another cafe in the town center.

We all want you to s0d off and stop boring the bejeezus out of us all.
Bob does not need a spokesperson.

"What I was trying to hoping add to the debate was the fact that we want to add something different to the town away from the pubs and clubs. So here it is restaurants and a cinema. Can't really imagine the die hard larger lot thinking I'll just stop in for a bite to eat a meal at strada on my way through"

You're adding nothing to the debate as its not the point - nobody has an issue with the restaraunts or cinema from what I can read here. The point is that the site will open a new route 24/7 from central to Old Town up and down narrow residential streets populated by young families and OAPs. The lager lot will happily pass through the easiest brightest path whilst they make their way from A to B by the quickest route (and with an open site with a new entrance onto our streets, that'll be when they're not relieving themselves in our gardens, fighting with their girlfriend or punching cars).

The developers promises that the 'high quality businesses' that they assume won't attract the 'lager crew' are only worth the length of time that the first tennants decide to stay there. Remember an Adver story from a few months back regarding the launch of a new and 'classy' night club venue for town called Bushwackers? I saw a girl wandering up and down in an illuminated sandwhich board the other night, advertising drinks for a quid. Classy and upmarket is a VERY relative term in Swindon - and businesses will (as they have to) chase where the money is. Here, in The Chavopolis, the night-time economy means the lowest common denominator.

The developers want rapid approval, minimum fuss, maximum profit. However, all locals want is a small and very reasonable adjustment to the plans. Seems simple to ask that the rear entrance/exit to the site is closed after the businesses have closed, doesn't it?

Forgive me for pointing out the bleedin' obvious but is there not already a "direct route" from central to Old Town called Victoria Road - which delivers the drinker right in to the heart of the Old Town drinking area rather than a walk up Eastcott Hill which leaves one a little short of alcoholic heaven whilst the maze of back streets simply confuse the traveler.

And surely, the bevied up would prefer to head North for the Bridge St booze zone.

Come on. let's just get the eyesore redeveloped and be grateful that it has finally gone - and deal with the fall out (if there is any) should it arise.

BadProspects wrote:
Oldwiseone - you may well be old - but where's your wisdom? The difference between a college and a developed site with bars and restaraunts AND A 24 HOUR THROUGH ROUTE (caps for emphasis so you don't miss the point this time) is pretty obvious: The town centre 'lager cauldron' fills with drunken youth who like to crawl (sometimes literally) from one venue to another: go and enjoy the fighting/vomiting/ur

inating which takes place up and down Vic Hill every thursday Friday and Saturday night as evidence. At least Vic Hill is wide, relatively well lit - and even the police can't pretend to ignore whats going on. Now look and think (if your age doesn't prevent you?) about what will happen if the new site features a visible route right through the heart of the development. It means that every drunken little *** hell-bent on a change of scene at 1.00am is going to cut off going up the hill via 'curry corner' and is going to head straight through the site up or down those narrow residential streets. Simple. Obvious. Predicatable. No one seems to be talking about wanting to stop the development - simply reasonably asking that it doesn't become a drunken chav late night through-route.

You seem to have deliberately missed the point. Friend of the developer? Of course, they couldn't care less about the local residents or what is actually a very simple and reasonable request. This is all about cash and profit.

I have to take issue with one aspect of your diatribe
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"At least Vic Hill is wide, relatively well lit - and even the police can't pretend to ignore whats going on"
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There has been a brothel on Vic Hill for 20 years the police can take choose to ignore whatever they want!

Marcus Cicero wrote:
Do you want us to continue with our membership of the EU?
Do you want us to adopt the Euro?
Do you want us to limit all immigration, including from the EU?
Do you want to keep paying quangos and consultants in government and local authorities?
Do you want to keep paying local authority employees £100,000+ salaries?
Do you want the NHS to be clean and caring?
Do you want England to be split into regions reporting directly to Brussels?
Do you want your local authority to attract and welcome new businesses?
Do you want an English Parliament?
Do you want the label 'Made in England' or 'British' to mean just that?
Do you want Nuclear power?

Or do you want another cafe in the town center.

This post was previously answered and subsequently ignored. What's the matter don't you like it when some stands up and disagrees with UKIP/BNP polices?
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Don't post it again you are getting tiresome.

wot

Brizisnextpm wrote:

Marcus Cicero wrote:
Do you want us to continue with our membership of the EU?
Do you want us to adopt the Euro?
Do you want us to limit all immigration, including from the EU?
Do you want to keep paying quangos and consultants in government and local authorities?
Do you want to keep paying local authority employees £100,000+ salaries?
Do you want the NHS to be clean and caring?
Do you want England to be split into regions reporting directly to Brussels?
Do you want your local authority to attract and welcome new businesses?
Do you want an English Parliament?
Do you want the label 'Made in England' or 'British' to mean just that?
Do you want Nuclear power?

Or do you want another cafe in the town center.

This post was previously answered and subsequently ignored. What's the matter don't you like it when some stands up and disagrees with UKIP/BNP polices?
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Don't post it again you are getting tiresome.

may a nice mosk might be built there

Marcus you are an illiterate idiot, move on and stop embarrassing yourself.

Brizisnextpm wrote:
Marcus you are an illiterate idiot, move on and stop embarrassing yourself.

a sick temple could also go there; They dont have loadspeakers going 5 times a day. IT WWOULD MEAN THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF SOTH MARSTON: just to balance things up and to make sure all the idiots and farmers like you are all in the same place, i thought it was only bobby boy who was the village idiot but as he;s retired from life Isuppose we have to put up with you till you get bored or die

Marcus Cicero wrote:

Brizisnextpm wrote:
Marcus you are an illiterate idiot, move on and stop embarrassing yourself.

a sick temple could also go there; They dont have loadspeakers going 5 times a day. IT WWOULD MEAN THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF SOTH MARSTON: just to balance things up and to make sure all the idiots and farmers like you are all in the same place, i thought it was only bobby boy who was the village idiot but as he;s retired from life Isuppose we have to put up with you till you get bored or die

A little drunk after the bank holiday festivities are we boy? When you start making coherent and legible posts I might start taking you seriously. Until then you will be treated with the contempt you deserve.

Oh how the plans for this area have changed--there were plans for supermarkets--shops-
-housing and a cinema. Now we have just restaurants and a cinema in an area that is already flooded with restaurants. I am amazed by the increase in takeaways manned completely by immigrant labour who cannot speak english and in many cases sleep in the premises. Moving staff to other outlets to avoid tax etc. It does appear our town is a safe haven for illegal immigrants who clearly do not have to abide by our laws.

here we go again the "Berverly Hills" residents on the attack. The moan about everything that can affect their secluded little patch, how about building a big wall with watchtowers to keep the commoners out of Beverly hills?

politicrat wrote:
here we go again the "Berverly Hills" residents on the attack. The moan about everything that can affect their secluded little patch, how about building a big wall with watchtowers to keep the commoners out of Beverly hills?

As this is the second thread in which you called Old Town "Beverly Hills" and in the first one you followed it by "LOL", you must obviously think that it's a masterpiece of comedic comment - oh yes, my sides are splitting!

OK so you have an unhealthy chip on your shoulder about Old Town - we get it - we really, really do! But please don't go on and on and on and on and on and on about it!

Presumably if there was a re-development in your area which would result in drunken louts **** in your garden and kicking in your car doors, you would just roll over and accept it? What we need are more people like them who will stand up and fight for their neighbourhood.

I'm guessing that you probably have been a drunken lout who in the past got grassed on to the police by an old town resident - thus the chip on your shoulder!

Anyway, wishing you many hours of happy shopping in the very sophisticated and chic Orbital Centre (can I add "LOL" to that as I was making a sarcastic comment on the shopping centre you have continually stated as your favourite).

Oh and by the way, I don't and never have lived in Old Town. I just don't can't stand anyone who stereotypes people due to their own personal prejudices. It just shows such a total lack of intelligence (alas, backed up by other posts which you have made here).

Wrong! Beverly hills is just a picture of Tory voting landscape.
Selfish, arrogant beings that can only think of one thing: "protect" their community from "invaders"
I, like many others have voted with my feet and I am glad I left, got my drive, a nice shopping mall nearby and fast access to A road. What do I miss there? certainly not the potholes, expensive permit and the sluggish commute to work!
What bugs me, is all the fuss about Beverly hills when so many other places in Swindon have greater potential for growth and community spirit, namely the outskirts of Swindon.

Phantom Poster, whilst I agree with you I'm afraid to say it does make you a bully, psychopath and a stalker, according to the rules laid down by Bob, poli, and messy.
 
Roughly speaking, the rules are you must never criticise them while they guide us through our lives and advise us how bad things always are.
 
BTW messy, I hope you feel better after you vote BNP on thursday.

Casual Observer wrote:
Phantom Poster, whilst I agree with you I'm afraid to say it does make you a bully, psychopath and a stalker, according to the rules laid down by Bob, poli, and messy.
 
Roughly speaking, the rules are you must never criticise them while they guide us through our lives and advise us how bad things always are.
 
BTW messy, I hope you feel better after you vote BNP on thursday.

Well if I was really a psychopathic stalker then there would be no worries for the people who have posted here as I don't know where they live.

Hold on, has anyone got the post code for the Carpenters Arms?

politicrat wrote:
Wrong! Beverly hills is just a picture of Tory voting landscape.
Selfish, arrogant beings that can only think of one thing: "protect" their community from "invaders"
I, like many others have voted with my feet and I am glad I left, got my drive, a nice shopping mall nearby and fast access to A road. What do I miss there? certainly not the potholes, expensive permit and the sluggish commute to work!
What bugs me, is all the fuss about Beverly hills when so many other places in Swindon have greater potential for growth and community spirit, namely the outskirts of Swindon.

You've already admitted that Old Town have lots of issues, which is why you moved out. If a place has lots of issues then there will obviously be lots of reports of people trying to solve them!

Could you please tell me what idyllic part of Swindon you live in which has no potholes!!

The outskirts of Swindon(assuming you mean west/north Swindon etc) were all pre-planned with the motor-car in mind. So what issues are there to report on? If someone has some sort of community spirit initiative they want to make known then all they have to do is get off their backsides and contact the Adver - and yes, I have done so myself in the past and it's very easy to get an article printed.

Phantom Poster wrote:

politicrat wrote: Wrong! Beverly hills is just a picture of Tory voting landscape. Selfish, arrogant beings that can only think of one thing: "protect" their community from "invaders" I, like many others have voted with my feet and I am glad I left, got my drive, a nice shopping mall nearby and fast access to A road. What do I miss there? certainly not the potholes, expensive permit and the sluggish commute to work! What bugs me, is all the fuss about Beverly hills when so many other places in Swindon have greater potential for growth and community spirit, namely the outskirts of Swindon.

You've already admitted that Old Town have lots of issues, which is why you moved out. If a place has lots of issues then there will obviously be lots of reports of people trying to solve them! Could you please tell me what idyllic part of Swindon you live in which has no potholes!! The outskirts of Swindon(assuming you mean west/north Swindon etc) were all pre-planned with the motor-car in mind. So what issues are there to report on? If someone has some sort of community spirit initiative they want to make known then all they have to do is get off their backsides and contact the Adver - and yes, I have done so myself in the past and it's very easy to get an article printed.

Swindon has to move on, it is the 21st century and getting bogged down in Beverly hills and Town centre where obviously modern transportation is optional, doesn't make any sense.
We should invest money in areas of good growth prospects, Orbital, North Swindon.
Why wasting taxpayers money on Old town and town centre when we have a great potential in North swindon, we could maybe the whole of swindon centre a pedestrian zone with a canal, some gardens and ice cream parlours and cafes.
Let the shopping be done where it can: ORBITAL!