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Inquiry opens into homes plan

THE planning inquiry into the building of 175 homes on land next to Lydiard Park opened yesterday.

A long-running battle to prevent the building of the homes on a site off Hook Street and next to Lydiard Park is still going on, despite the council planning committee rejecting the plans.

Following an appeal by Primegate Properties Ltd on behalf of Bovis Homes SW Ltd, the public inquiry began yesterday at the Steam Museum.

Planning inspector Geoffrey Hill has been appointed by the Secretary of State to oversee proceedings and to make the final decision on the appeal.

He said: “There are two issues here for me. The first is whether this is a suitable location for new development in the context of adopted and emerging development planning policies and guidance with particular regards to housing local supply and the strategy for distributing development in Swindon.

“The second is the effect of a proposed development on the Lydiard Ridge area, the setting of Lydiard Park and the rural/urban edge of Swindon.”

The inquiry heard opening statements from Anthony Crean, representing Swindon Council, and Patrick Clarkson, representing the developers.

Mr Clarkson was first to speak and said that the council’s rejection of the plans went against the five-year housing demand.

“There is a shortfall of housing supply,” he said.

“The council have decided to dismiss the development when they only plan 850 homes for the next five years to 2016.

“That, we say, is a cavalier rejection to the five-year approach and compares to a throttling of economic growth for Swindon.”

Mr Crean said: “It is self-evident that the site and the surrounding area is hugely inappropriate for development.

“The grant of application here would indicate to other developers that greenfield sites were acceptable to develop.

“The consequences of the development go far beyond the site itself.”

Members of the public attended the inquiry and are due to speak this afternoon to voice their objections to the plans, including the Lydiard Field Action Group, Friends of Lydiard Park and Coun Peter Greenhalgh, the ward councillor for Freshbrook and Grange Park.

South Swindon MP Robert Buckland is due to speak on Thursday voicing his concerns for the development.

The inquiry continues today at 10am at the Steam Museum and is due to run until Friday.

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11:11am Wed 6 Apr 11

SDP says...

There have been 40 years of catastrophic economic mismanagement of the British economy. There are now 5 million people on the waiting list for a council house. There are are 11,000 homeless people in Britain. There are 2.5 million people unemployed. There are one million young people unemployed aged 18-24. The government spending deficit is £3 billion pounds a week. The trade deficit in goods and services with the rest of the world is £1 billion pounds a week.
Britain's green and pleasant land will become a huge concrete jungle of unemployed and homeless people unless we drastically change the economic policies of the last 40 years.
There have been 40 years of catastrophic economic mismanagement of the British economy. There are now 5 million people on the waiting list for a council house. There are are 11,000 homeless people in Britain. There are 2.5 million people unemployed. There are one million young people unemployed aged 18-24. The government spending deficit is £3 billion pounds a week. The trade deficit in goods and services with the rest of the world is £1 billion pounds a week. Britain's green and pleasant land will become a huge concrete jungle of unemployed and homeless people unless we drastically change the economic policies of the last 40 years. SDP
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11:18am Wed 6 Apr 11

SDP says...

When I was a teenager back in the 60's there was full employment and there had been full employment in everyones living memory. I had never met and unemployed person and never even heard of anyone being unemployed at anytime during the 60's.
When I was a teenager back in the 60's there was full employment and there had been full employment in everyones living memory. I had never met and unemployed person and never even heard of anyone being unemployed at anytime during the 60's. SDP
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11:24am Wed 6 Apr 11

SDP says...

Houses we plentiful and cheap in the 60's. People in Swindon could get a council house after a very short wait. For those that wanted to buy there were plenty houses available at three times the average salary. The British economy was booming and we all thought that the good times would go on for ever.
Houses we plentiful and cheap in the 60's. People in Swindon could get a council house after a very short wait. For those that wanted to buy there were plenty houses available at three times the average salary. The British economy was booming and we all thought that the good times would go on for ever. SDP
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11:32am Wed 6 Apr 11

SDP says...

Then we got to the 70's and everything went wrong. There was the miners strike and constant electricity blackouts. Edward Heath put the country on a three day week. There was an oil price crisis. Unemployment shot up to one million for the first time in living memory and has stayed high ever since. Inflation ran out of control and got up to about 15% at one time. British industry went into declne and many factories closed down.
Then we got to the 70's and everything went wrong. There was the miners strike and constant electricity blackouts. Edward Heath put the country on a three day week. There was an oil price crisis. Unemployment shot up to one million for the first time in living memory and has stayed high ever since. Inflation ran out of control and got up to about 15% at one time. British industry went into declne and many factories closed down. SDP
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11:39am Wed 6 Apr 11

SDP says...

From the 70's onwards this country simply lurched from one crisis to another. Things got steadily worse until we reached the current economic crisis in 2011. But we had many elections in that time and many changes of government during the last 40 years. Unfortunately these elections changed nothing the catastrophic economic mismanagement continued for 40 years.
From the 70's onwards this country simply lurched from one crisis to another. Things got steadily worse until we reached the current economic crisis in 2011. But we had many elections in that time and many changes of government during the last 40 years. Unfortunately these elections changed nothing the catastrophic economic mismanagement continued for 40 years. SDP
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11:50am Wed 6 Apr 11

SDP says...

Britain must return to the ecomomic policies of the 60's, when there was permanent full employment. Houses to buy were cheap and plentiful. People could quickly get a council house in Swindon after only a very short wait. Everyone in the sixties looked forward to a bright sparkling future. But it was the election of Edward Heath in 1970 that put an end to all the bright hopes of everyone in Britain.
Britain must return to the ecomomic policies of the 60's, when there was permanent full employment. Houses to buy were cheap and plentiful. People could quickly get a council house in Swindon after only a very short wait. Everyone in the sixties looked forward to a bright sparkling future. But it was the election of Edward Heath in 1970 that put an end to all the bright hopes of everyone in Britain. SDP
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11:55am Wed 6 Apr 11

Robfm says...

Thanks for that Steve, but what has that got to do with the house building enquiry. I know you are standing in Parks against your friend so perhaps you could elucidate your policy to solve the housing crisis we indeed do face in Swindon, as I didn't think the SDP were in favour of leaving the EU, the only solution to our housing needs explosion.
Thanks for that Steve, but what has that got to do with the house building enquiry. I know you are standing in Parks against your friend so perhaps you could elucidate your policy to solve the housing crisis we indeed do face in Swindon, as I didn't think the SDP were in favour of leaving the EU, the only solution to our housing needs explosion. Robfm
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1:03pm Wed 6 Apr 11

SDP says...

Robfm wrote:
Thanks for that Steve, but what has that got to do with the house building enquiry. I know you are standing in Parks against your friend so perhaps you could elucidate your policy to solve the housing crisis we indeed do face in Swindon, as I didn't think the SDP were in favour of leaving the EU, the only solution to our housing needs explosion.
A long-running battle to prevent the building of the homes on a site off Hook Street and next to Lydiard Park is still going on, despite the council planning committee rejecting the plans. Immigration into Britain is running at 600,000 a year and has been steady at that figure for about seven years, since the expansion of the Euopean Union in 2004. This means that new migrants are settling in Britain at the rate of more than a 1000 a day. Therefore there is a requirement to build 1000 new homes a day to cope with this influx. This has created a desperate shortage of houses, and this is the relevance to the housing developement at Lydiard Park. Britain is rapidly becoming a concrete jungle full of unemployed and homeless people. The development at Lydiard Park is just a further part of this process.
[quote][p][bold]Robfm[/bold] wrote: Thanks for that Steve, but what has that got to do with the house building enquiry. I know you are standing in Parks against your friend so perhaps you could elucidate your policy to solve the housing crisis we indeed do face in Swindon, as I didn't think the SDP were in favour of leaving the EU, the only solution to our housing needs explosion.[/p][/quote]A long-running battle to prevent the building of the homes on a site off Hook Street and next to Lydiard Park is still going on, despite the council planning committee rejecting the plans. Immigration into Britain is running at 600,000 a year and has been steady at that figure for about seven years, since the expansion of the Euopean Union in 2004. This means that new migrants are settling in Britain at the rate of more than a 1000 a day. Therefore there is a requirement to build 1000 new homes a day to cope with this influx. This has created a desperate shortage of houses, and this is the relevance to the housing developement at Lydiard Park. Britain is rapidly becoming a concrete jungle full of unemployed and homeless people. The development at Lydiard Park is just a further part of this process. SDP
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8:09pm Wed 6 Apr 11

itsamess says...

Political article it seems.
Political article it seems. itsamess
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9:20am Thu 7 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess wrote:
Political article it seems.
Itsamess.

It is a requirement of the European Union that all EU states have fully open borders to all other EU states. This means that all 500 EU citizens have the legal right to live and work in Britain. It is this unrestricted EU immigration that has created the housing shortage. Britain is rapidly becoming a concrete jungle full of unemployed and homless people.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: Political article it seems.[/p][/quote]Itsamess. It is a requirement of the European Union that all EU states have fully open borders to all other EU states. This means that all 500 EU citizens have the legal right to live and work in Britain. It is this unrestricted EU immigration that has created the housing shortage. Britain is rapidly becoming a concrete jungle full of unemployed and homless people. SDP
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9:26am Thu 7 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess wrote:
Political article it seems.
itsamess.

One by one the EU countries are going bankrupt. Portugal is the latest country to require a bailout. But a bailout is useless to Portugal because it is only leaving the European Union that will help bring their finances back into balance.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: Political article it seems.[/p][/quote]itsamess. One by one the EU countries are going bankrupt. Portugal is the latest country to require a bailout. But a bailout is useless to Portugal because it is only leaving the European Union that will help bring their finances back into balance. SDP
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9:35am Thu 7 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.

If a friend of yours was struggling to pay his debts would you be a good friend if you simply lent him more money? No you would not be a good friend if you simply lent him more money. Because a good friend would furst help him sort out his finances, and this might include declaring himself bankrupt. A good friend would start by teaching him how to live within his means, and in future stop over spending every week.
itsamess. If a friend of yours was struggling to pay his debts would you be a good friend if you simply lent him more money? No you would not be a good friend if you simply lent him more money. Because a good friend would furst help him sort out his finances, and this might include declaring himself bankrupt. A good friend would start by teaching him how to live within his means, and in future stop over spending every week. SDP
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9:43am Thu 7 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.

The development at Lydiard Park will not be enough to supply good homes for the 5 million people waiting for a council house. It is only a symptom of the problem not the cure to the problem. Britain will soon join Portugal in financial crisis unless we reverse the last 40 years of catastrophic economic mismanagement of Britain's economy.
itsamess. The development at Lydiard Park will not be enough to supply good homes for the 5 million people waiting for a council house. It is only a symptom of the problem not the cure to the problem. Britain will soon join Portugal in financial crisis unless we reverse the last 40 years of catastrophic economic mismanagement of Britain's economy. SDP
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12:40pm Thu 7 Apr 11

I Too says...

SDP, why can't you just make one post at a time, like normal people do?
SDP, why can't you just make one post at a time, like normal people do? I Too
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8:44pm Thu 7 Apr 11

itsamess says...

SDP
Are you Bob in another login as you make the same mistakes. Do try to get your facts and figures right.
9-20 am Today 500 EU citizens.
9-26 Portugal--they take a loan from the ECB at low interest.
9-43 A good friend may not have any business acumen or debt management-better to get professional advice.
9-43 Swindon folk cannot get the jobs to buy houses as we have a backward thinking council--consequentl
y the buy to rent culture increases because it seems they can charge over inflated rents--check the land registry and see how many foreign names appear. You know the ones who claim family allowance in this country as its greater than their country--and we even post it to their countries bank accounts.
Take the politics out of local govt and have councillors that are for the people rather than party political games.
SDP Are you Bob in another login as you make the same mistakes. Do try to get your facts and figures right. 9-20 am Today 500 EU citizens. 9-26 Portugal--they take a loan from the ECB at low interest. 9-43 A good friend may not have any business acumen or debt management-better to get professional advice. 9-43 Swindon folk cannot get the jobs to buy houses as we have a backward thinking council--consequentl y the buy to rent culture increases because it seems they can charge over inflated rents--check the land registry and see how many foreign names appear. You know the ones who claim family allowance in this country as its greater than their country--and we even post it to their countries bank accounts. Take the politics out of local govt and have councillors that are for the people rather than party political games. itsamess
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8:43am Fri 8 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.

Yes you found an error in my posting where I should have said all 500 million EU citizens all have the legal right to live and work in Britain. This has consequently put pressure on the housing market as 3 million immigrants have settled in Britain during the last ten years.
itsamess. Yes you found an error in my posting where I should have said all 500 million EU citizens all have the legal right to live and work in Britain. This has consequently put pressure on the housing market as 3 million immigrants have settled in Britain during the last ten years. SDP
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8:48am Fri 8 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.
No I am not Bob under a different name. I am not even in the same party as Bob. He speaks to middle England while I only speak to the working class, the 5 million people waiting for a council house, the 11,000 homeless, the 2.5 million unemployed and the one million 18-24 year old that are unemployed in Britain and have almost zero chance of finding work in the near future.
itsamess. No I am not Bob under a different name. I am not even in the same party as Bob. He speaks to middle England while I only speak to the working class, the 5 million people waiting for a council house, the 11,000 homeless, the 2.5 million unemployed and the one million 18-24 year old that are unemployed in Britain and have almost zero chance of finding work in the near future. SDP
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8:52am Fri 8 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.
Portugal is about to take a £70 billion pound bailout from the EU, and Britain is estimated to have to involved for about £4 billion pounds.
itsamess. Portugal is about to take a £70 billion pound bailout from the EU, and Britain is estimated to have to involved for about £4 billion pounds. SDP
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8:58am Fri 8 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.
There are 5 million people on the council house waiting list in Britain. This is because all 500 million EU citizens have the legal right to live and work in Britain. 3 million immigrants have settled in Britain during the last ten years. This has created a housing shortage but none of the big three parties will admit this, as they all support the creation of an EU superstate in Europe.
itsamess. There are 5 million people on the council house waiting list in Britain. This is because all 500 million EU citizens have the legal right to live and work in Britain. 3 million immigrants have settled in Britain during the last ten years. This has created a housing shortage but none of the big three parties will admit this, as they all support the creation of an EU superstate in Europe. SDP
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9:06am Fri 8 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.
So what has all this to do with the Lydiard Park development you might ask? The andswer is that Britain is rapidly becoming a concrete jungle full of unemployed and homeless people. You cannot take politics out of local elections. It is the national government's catastrophic economic mismanagement of Britain's economy over the last 40 years, that has caused the housing shortage and deep current the economic crisis.
itsamess. So what has all this to do with the Lydiard Park development you might ask? The andswer is that Britain is rapidly becoming a concrete jungle full of unemployed and homeless people. You cannot take politics out of local elections. It is the national government's catastrophic economic mismanagement of Britain's economy over the last 40 years, that has caused the housing shortage and deep current the economic crisis. SDP
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9:09am Fri 8 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.
Thank you for your comments. I hope the above clarifies the situation for you.
itsamess. Thank you for your comments. I hope the above clarifies the situation for you. SDP
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9:56am Fri 8 Apr 11

Robfm says...

Well I have to say it is the first time I've heard UKIP described as speaking for middle England. As you should know Steve, UKIP's greatest successes are in the North and South West, hardly middle England.

Oh and one last thing Walter (aka itsamess) Mitty is an expert on everything, but never 'googles' and only ever uses encrypted government approved, propaganda
(sorry) official sites.
Well I have to say it is the first time I've heard UKIP described as speaking for middle England. As you should know Steve, UKIP's greatest successes are in the North and South West, hardly middle England. Oh and one last thing Walter (aka itsamess) Mitty is an expert on everything, but never 'googles' and only ever uses encrypted government approved, propaganda (sorry) official sites. Robfm
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10:55am Fri 8 Apr 11

itsamess says...

Pinoccio
You do appear to have strayed off of the article again. I am an expert in my own field--and no i do not use what you term as govt propaganda. However i do suggest it is far better than party policies that promote disbelief of certain professions. My personal life is my own and as such entitled to any opinions i have.
Pinoccio You do appear to have strayed off of the article again. I am an expert in my own field--and no i do not use what you term as govt propaganda. However i do suggest it is far better than party policies that promote disbelief of certain professions. My personal life is my own and as such entitled to any opinions i have. itsamess
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11:10am Fri 8 Apr 11

itsamess says...

SDP
Local Govt will never change the national govt. Councillors should be confined to local issues and advise the general council of the publics views.
Unfortunately legislation gives councillors very little powers to change matters as written into public law is the
fact they cannot go against the council.
A strange way of saying they cannot go against the decision makers.
When i took the Council to court it was the officers decision challenged--not the councillors. Therefore i see no legitimate reason for having paid councillors with absolutely no power to get the publics concerns across.
SDP Local Govt will never change the national govt. Councillors should be confined to local issues and advise the general council of the publics views. Unfortunately legislation gives councillors very little powers to change matters as written into public law is the fact they cannot go against the council. A strange way of saying they cannot go against the decision makers. When i took the Council to court it was the officers decision challenged--not the councillors. Therefore i see no legitimate reason for having paid councillors with absolutely no power to get the publics concerns across. itsamess
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11:30am Fri 8 Apr 11

SDP says...

Robfm wrote:
Well I have to say it is the first time I've heard UKIP described as speaking for middle England. As you should know Steve, UKIP's greatest successes are in the North and South West, hardly middle England. Oh and one last thing Walter (aka itsamess) Mitty is an expert on everything, but never 'googles' and only ever uses encrypted government approved, propaganda (sorry) official sites.
What then is UKIP's policy for getting Britain's 2.5 million unemployed back to work, or is unemployment and homelessness nothing to do with local politics.
[quote][p][bold]Robfm[/bold] wrote: Well I have to say it is the first time I've heard UKIP described as speaking for middle England. As you should know Steve, UKIP's greatest successes are in the North and South West, hardly middle England. Oh and one last thing Walter (aka itsamess) Mitty is an expert on everything, but never 'googles' and only ever uses encrypted government approved, propaganda (sorry) official sites.[/p][/quote]What then is UKIP's policy for getting Britain's 2.5 million unemployed back to work, or is unemployment and homelessness nothing to do with local politics. SDP
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11:55am Fri 8 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess wrote:
SDP Local Govt will never change the national govt. Councillors should be confined to local issues and advise the general council of the publics views. Unfortunately legislation gives councillors very little powers to change matters as written into public law is the fact they cannot go against the council. A strange way of saying they cannot go against the decision makers. When i took the Council to court it was the officers decision challenged--not the councillors. Therefore i see no legitimate reason for having paid councillors with absolutely no power to get the publics concerns across.
itsamess.
Are you saying that when Swindon voters go to vote on 5th May that they should ignore the fact that there are 2.5 million unemployed. That there are one million young people aged 18-24 unemployed. That there are 5 million people waiting for a council house. That there are 11,000 homeless people in Britain. That the government spending deficit is £3 billion pounds a week. That Britain's trade deficit with the rest of the world is £1 billion pounds a week. Are you suggesting that voters should put all this to the back of their minds and only vote on local issues.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: SDP Local Govt will never change the national govt. Councillors should be confined to local issues and advise the general council of the publics views. Unfortunately legislation gives councillors very little powers to change matters as written into public law is the fact they cannot go against the council. A strange way of saying they cannot go against the decision makers. When i took the Council to court it was the officers decision challenged--not the councillors. Therefore i see no legitimate reason for having paid councillors with absolutely no power to get the publics concerns across.[/p][/quote]itsamess. Are you saying that when Swindon voters go to vote on 5th May that they should ignore the fact that there are 2.5 million unemployed. That there are one million young people aged 18-24 unemployed. That there are 5 million people waiting for a council house. That there are 11,000 homeless people in Britain. That the government spending deficit is £3 billion pounds a week. That Britain's trade deficit with the rest of the world is £1 billion pounds a week. Are you suggesting that voters should put all this to the back of their minds and only vote on local issues. SDP
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12:00pm Fri 8 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess wrote:
SDP Local Govt will never change the national govt. Councillors should be confined to local issues and advise the general council of the publics views. Unfortunately legislation gives councillors very little powers to change matters as written into public law is the fact they cannot go against the council. A strange way of saying they cannot go against the decision makers. When i took the Council to court it was the officers decision challenged--not the councillors. Therefore i see no legitimate reason for having paid councillors with absolutely no power to get the publics concerns across.
itsamess.

When describing the British economy over the last 40 years, do you agree that its a mess.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: SDP Local Govt will never change the national govt. Councillors should be confined to local issues and advise the general council of the publics views. Unfortunately legislation gives councillors very little powers to change matters as written into public law is the fact they cannot go against the council. A strange way of saying they cannot go against the decision makers. When i took the Council to court it was the officers decision challenged--not the councillors. Therefore i see no legitimate reason for having paid councillors with absolutely no power to get the publics concerns across.[/p][/quote]itsamess. When describing the British economy over the last 40 years, do you agree that its a mess. SDP
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3:13pm Fri 8 Apr 11

itsamess says...

SDP
The whole point of local elections is to elect Local representatives in wards to raise local concerns--not national issues. We vote for MPs to tackle national issues.
Councils need to concentrate on local issues and work to encourage companies to come here--the reverse is happening. When you have immigrants from all over the world arriving here in Swindon buying up all the houses or being allocated social housing ahead of locals--yes that is wrong--same with jobs--there are numerous companies with 95% + labour provided by agencies who only register immigrants.
The economy certainly is in a mess and will take many years to overcome. It is wholly wrong for you to apply national figures in local debates--that is playing at politics. This town has great potential
lost due to Party politics and point scoring. A candidate should concentrate on how to improve Swindon
or stand as an MP. Personally i believe the coalition is the best govt to emerge
for many years. Realistically it is an almost impossible task in the present circumstances. When i vote locally i look for a local candidate with some brainpower and aware of local issues. For parliament i listen to their views on numerous issues both locally and nationally. In other words for the person rather than the party. When political posters come on here making false claims and calling all and sundry liars etc it harms them greatly as they lose credibility as folk are not stupid enough to believe them.
SDP The whole point of local elections is to elect Local representatives in wards to raise local concerns--not national issues. We vote for MPs to tackle national issues. Councils need to concentrate on local issues and work to encourage companies to come here--the reverse is happening. When you have immigrants from all over the world arriving here in Swindon buying up all the houses or being allocated social housing ahead of locals--yes that is wrong--same with jobs--there are numerous companies with 95% + labour provided by agencies who only register immigrants. The economy certainly is in a mess and will take many years to overcome. It is wholly wrong for you to apply national figures in local debates--that is playing at politics. This town has great potential lost due to Party politics and point scoring. A candidate should concentrate on how to improve Swindon or stand as an MP. Personally i believe the coalition is the best govt to emerge for many years. Realistically it is an almost impossible task in the present circumstances. When i vote locally i look for a local candidate with some brainpower and aware of local issues. For parliament i listen to their views on numerous issues both locally and nationally. In other words for the person rather than the party. When political posters come on here making false claims and calling all and sundry liars etc it harms them greatly as they lose credibility as folk are not stupid enough to believe them. itsamess
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6:39pm Fri 8 Apr 11

Robfm says...

'Councils need to concentrate on local issues' they can't do that without national approval.
'Councils need to concentrate on local issues' they can't do that without national approval. Robfm
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6:53pm Fri 8 Apr 11

itsamess says...

Absolute nonsense.
Absolute nonsense. itsamess
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8:41am Sat 9 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess wrote:
SDP The whole point of local elections is to elect Local representatives in wards to raise local concerns--not national issues. We vote for MPs to tackle national issues. Councils need to concentrate on local issues and work to encourage companies to come here--the reverse is happening. When you have immigrants from all over the world arriving here in Swindon buying up all the houses or being allocated social housing ahead of locals--yes that is wrong--same with jobs--there are numerous companies with 95% + labour provided by agencies who only register immigrants. The economy certainly is in a mess and will take many years to overcome. It is wholly wrong for you to apply national figures in local debates--that is playing at politics. This town has great potential lost due to Party politics and point scoring. A candidate should concentrate on how to improve Swindon or stand as an MP. Personally i believe the coalition is the best govt to emerge for many years. Realistically it is an almost impossible task in the present circumstances. When i vote locally i look for a local candidate with some brainpower and aware of local issues. For parliament i listen to their views on numerous issues both locally and nationally. In other words for the person rather than the party. When political posters come on here making false claims and calling all and sundry liars etc it harms them greatly as they lose credibility as folk are not stupid enough to believe them.
itsamess.

There is always a personal vote for the candidate, but I believe that this is fairly small, maybe 50 votes. The main vote is for the party. There is the old saying that a donkey would be elected in some constituencies as long at it had the right party label. Many constituencies have not changed hands in 50 years regardless of how good or bad the candidate is. The truth is come seats are safe seats.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: SDP The whole point of local elections is to elect Local representatives in wards to raise local concerns--not national issues. We vote for MPs to tackle national issues. Councils need to concentrate on local issues and work to encourage companies to come here--the reverse is happening. When you have immigrants from all over the world arriving here in Swindon buying up all the houses or being allocated social housing ahead of locals--yes that is wrong--same with jobs--there are numerous companies with 95% + labour provided by agencies who only register immigrants. The economy certainly is in a mess and will take many years to overcome. It is wholly wrong for you to apply national figures in local debates--that is playing at politics. This town has great potential lost due to Party politics and point scoring. A candidate should concentrate on how to improve Swindon or stand as an MP. Personally i believe the coalition is the best govt to emerge for many years. Realistically it is an almost impossible task in the present circumstances. When i vote locally i look for a local candidate with some brainpower and aware of local issues. For parliament i listen to their views on numerous issues both locally and nationally. In other words for the person rather than the party. When political posters come on here making false claims and calling all and sundry liars etc it harms them greatly as they lose credibility as folk are not stupid enough to believe them.[/p][/quote]itsamess. There is always a personal vote for the candidate, but I believe that this is fairly small, maybe 50 votes. The main vote is for the party. There is the old saying that a donkey would be elected in some constituencies as long at it had the right party label. Many constituencies have not changed hands in 50 years regardless of how good or bad the candidate is. The truth is come seats are safe seats. SDP
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8:51am Sat 9 Apr 11

SDP says...

Robfm wrote:
'Councils need to concentrate on local issues' they can't do that without national approval.
Bobfm.
What then is UKIP's policy for getting Britain's 2.5 million unemployed back to work, or is unemployment and homelessness nothing to do with local politics? Come on Bob, the world is waitiing to hear your answer, what is UKIP's policy for dealing with this catastrophic level of unemployment, the 5 million people waiting for a council house, and the 11,000 homless people in Britain?
[quote][p][bold]Robfm[/bold] wrote: 'Councils need to concentrate on local issues' they can't do that without national approval.[/p][/quote]Bobfm. What then is UKIP's policy for getting Britain's 2.5 million unemployed back to work, or is unemployment and homelessness nothing to do with local politics? Come on Bob, the world is waitiing to hear your answer, what is UKIP's policy for dealing with this catastrophic level of unemployment, the 5 million people waiting for a council house, and the 11,000 homless people in Britain? SDP
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9:00am Sat 9 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess wrote:
SDP The whole point of local elections is to elect Local representatives in wards to raise local concerns--not national issues. We vote for MPs to tackle national issues. Councils need to concentrate on local issues and work to encourage companies to come here--the reverse is happening. When you have immigrants from all over the world arriving here in Swindon buying up all the houses or being allocated social housing ahead of locals--yes that is wrong--same with jobs--there are numerous companies with 95% + labour provided by agencies who only register immigrants. The economy certainly is in a mess and will take many years to overcome. It is wholly wrong for you to apply national figures in local debates--that is playing at politics. This town has great potential lost due to Party politics and point scoring. A candidate should concentrate on how to improve Swindon or stand as an MP. Personally i believe the coalition is the best govt to emerge for many years. Realistically it is an almost impossible task in the present circumstances. When i vote locally i look for a local candidate with some brainpower and aware of local issues. For parliament i listen to their views on numerous issues both locally and nationally. In other words for the person rather than the party. When political posters come on here making false claims and calling all and sundry liars etc it harms them greatly as they lose credibility as folk are not stupid enough to believe them.
itsames.
The notion of safe seats is not quite so true for local elections. As I said the personal vote is only about 50 votes. So when your party falls out of favour the swings are huge in local elections. I can remember when Swindon council was almost totally Conservative. Then Swindon swung to Labour and there were only 3 Conservatives left on the council. More recently Swindon has swung back to the Conservatives again and they even won the Parks two years ago. The Conservatives are now very dominant in Swindon. So the notition of safe seats does not apply so well to local election, especially in Swindon.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: SDP The whole point of local elections is to elect Local representatives in wards to raise local concerns--not national issues. We vote for MPs to tackle national issues. Councils need to concentrate on local issues and work to encourage companies to come here--the reverse is happening. When you have immigrants from all over the world arriving here in Swindon buying up all the houses or being allocated social housing ahead of locals--yes that is wrong--same with jobs--there are numerous companies with 95% + labour provided by agencies who only register immigrants. The economy certainly is in a mess and will take many years to overcome. It is wholly wrong for you to apply national figures in local debates--that is playing at politics. This town has great potential lost due to Party politics and point scoring. A candidate should concentrate on how to improve Swindon or stand as an MP. Personally i believe the coalition is the best govt to emerge for many years. Realistically it is an almost impossible task in the present circumstances. When i vote locally i look for a local candidate with some brainpower and aware of local issues. For parliament i listen to their views on numerous issues both locally and nationally. In other words for the person rather than the party. When political posters come on here making false claims and calling all and sundry liars etc it harms them greatly as they lose credibility as folk are not stupid enough to believe them.[/p][/quote]itsames. The notion of safe seats is not quite so true for local elections. As I said the personal vote is only about 50 votes. So when your party falls out of favour the swings are huge in local elections. I can remember when Swindon council was almost totally Conservative. Then Swindon swung to Labour and there were only 3 Conservatives left on the council. More recently Swindon has swung back to the Conservatives again and they even won the Parks two years ago. The Conservatives are now very dominant in Swindon. So the notition of safe seats does not apply so well to local election, especially in Swindon. SDP
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4:42pm Sat 9 Apr 11

itsamess says...

SDP
I can remember when Swindon was a happy and vibrant town visited for its booking markets and good range of shops. Times when Councillors cared about the folk. Then came the rise of the unions calling on their members to strike for simple reasons--without thought of the damage created. We lost some great companies due to the unreliability of the work force. History shows that since the rise of politics in local govt our town has been on a downward spiral in every way. We have had everything forced on us by the
political masters in power at the time.
The politicians simply do not listen to the people at local levels anymore.
Folk get very fed up with all the false claims by minority parties. Now we are in election mode and the claims come thick and strong finding fault with any councillor up for election--trying to score political points and trying to discredit folk. One notable one has blatantly made claims he cannot begin to prove-defamatory remarks to which there is absolutely no defence and will cost him dearly. He will bring others down with him. Thats what happens when politics overshadows common sense.
SDP I can remember when Swindon was a happy and vibrant town visited for its booking markets and good range of shops. Times when Councillors cared about the folk. Then came the rise of the unions calling on their members to strike for simple reasons--without thought of the damage created. We lost some great companies due to the unreliability of the work force. History shows that since the rise of politics in local govt our town has been on a downward spiral in every way. We have had everything forced on us by the political masters in power at the time. The politicians simply do not listen to the people at local levels anymore. Folk get very fed up with all the false claims by minority parties. Now we are in election mode and the claims come thick and strong finding fault with any councillor up for election--trying to score political points and trying to discredit folk. One notable one has blatantly made claims he cannot begin to prove-defamatory remarks to which there is absolutely no defence and will cost him dearly. He will bring others down with him. Thats what happens when politics overshadows common sense. itsamess
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4:48pm Sat 9 Apr 11

Kineasy says...

Far too many people, crammed onto a small island, fighting like rats in a barrell. A bit of repatriation would solve many problems including housing, unemployment and the structural deficit.
50's and 60's Swindon was a far better place to live and work.
Building more houses will solve nothing just create more problems.
Far too many people, crammed onto a small island, fighting like rats in a barrell. A bit of repatriation would solve many problems including housing, unemployment and the structural deficit. 50's and 60's Swindon was a far better place to live and work. Building more houses will solve nothing just create more problems. Kineasy
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5:15pm Sat 9 Apr 11

itsamess says...

Kineasy
The 50s and 60s were the years that built the future--from then on it has been all downhill.
Kineasy The 50s and 60s were the years that built the future--from then on it has been all downhill. itsamess
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5:18pm Sat 9 Apr 11

Robfm says...

National government set the Local Policy agenda, unless and until HMG allow money raised locally to be used locally the Council has little influence over employment, which is why it is UKIP's policy to allow LA's to keep 50% of non domestic rates and replace VAT with a local sales tax, which a proportion is retained at a local level.

The council could then levy a sensible non domestic rate which would attract business create jobs and thus create further wealth for the local economy.

By stripping out top heavy and costly council management more money could be released to provide front line services.management
National government set the Local Policy agenda, unless and until HMG allow money raised locally to be used locally the Council has little influence over employment, which is why it is UKIP's policy to allow LA's to keep 50% of non domestic rates and replace VAT with a local sales tax, which a proportion is retained at a local level. The council could then levy a sensible non domestic rate which would attract business create jobs and thus create further wealth for the local economy. By stripping out top heavy and costly council management more money could be released to provide front line services.management Robfm
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8:41pm Sat 9 Apr 11

itsamess says...

Seems we dont need management or councillors if the Govt decides everything.
Whoever thought up that policy is not sound of mind--perhaps they did not notice the changes made to local taxation.
Seems we dont need management or councillors if the Govt decides everything. Whoever thought up that policy is not sound of mind--perhaps they did not notice the changes made to local taxation. itsamess
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11:41am Sun 10 Apr 11

SDP says...

Robfm wrote:
National government set the Local Policy agenda, unless and until HMG allow money raised locally to be used locally the Council has little influence over employment, which is why it is UKIP's policy to allow LA's to keep 50% of non domestic rates and replace VAT with a local sales tax, which a proportion is retained at a local level. The council could then levy a sensible non domestic rate which would attract business create jobs and thus create further wealth for the local economy. By stripping out top heavy and costly council management more money could be released to provide front line services.management
Bob.
Britain has a trade deficit of £1 billion pounds a week. What is UKIP's policy for boosting manufacturing and reducing the trade deficit.
[quote][p][bold]Robfm[/bold] wrote: National government set the Local Policy agenda, unless and until HMG allow money raised locally to be used locally the Council has little influence over employment, which is why it is UKIP's policy to allow LA's to keep 50% of non domestic rates and replace VAT with a local sales tax, which a proportion is retained at a local level. The council could then levy a sensible non domestic rate which would attract business create jobs and thus create further wealth for the local economy. By stripping out top heavy and costly council management more money could be released to provide front line services.management[/p][/quote]Bob. Britain has a trade deficit of £1 billion pounds a week. What is UKIP's policy for boosting manufacturing and reducing the trade deficit. SDP
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11:50am Sun 10 Apr 11

SDP says...

Kineasy.
You are right about the 60's. Full employment and the economy in boom. In the 50's Prime Minister Harold Macmillan said "You have never had it so good." He was right and the good times spread over to the 60's. In the 60's we all thought the good time would go on for ever. It all seems like a dream now but everyone was so optimistic in the 60's.
Kineasy. You are right about the 60's. Full employment and the economy in boom. In the 50's Prime Minister Harold Macmillan said "You have never had it so good." He was right and the good times spread over to the 60's. In the 60's we all thought the good time would go on for ever. It all seems like a dream now but everyone was so optimistic in the 60's. SDP
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11:58am Sun 10 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess wrote:
Seems we dont need management or councillors if the Govt decides everything. Whoever thought up that policy is not sound of mind--perhaps they did not notice the changes made to local taxation.
itsamess.
It is true that local government is substantially controlled by central government. But this does not take away the need for good Swindon councillors. There is still plenty of areas for costing the voters money if mistakes are made. Councillors can help make Swindon a better place to live, but there has been 40 years of catastrophic economic management of Britain. Both the big parties must take their share of what has happened to Britain during the last 40 years.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: Seems we dont need management or councillors if the Govt decides everything. Whoever thought up that policy is not sound of mind--perhaps they did not notice the changes made to local taxation.[/p][/quote]itsamess. It is true that local government is substantially controlled by central government. But this does not take away the need for good Swindon councillors. There is still plenty of areas for costing the voters money if mistakes are made. Councillors can help make Swindon a better place to live, but there has been 40 years of catastrophic economic management of Britain. Both the big parties must take their share of what has happened to Britain during the last 40 years. SDP
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12:19pm Sun 10 Apr 11

SDP says...

Kineasy.
You are right everything went wrong during the 70's, and Britain has never really recovered from the disasterous mistakes of the 70's.
Kineasy. You are right everything went wrong during the 70's, and Britain has never really recovered from the disasterous mistakes of the 70's. SDP
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6:11pm Sun 10 Apr 11

itsamess says...

SDP
The govt make the laws and its up to the councils to fight for the funding-our
lot are not up to managing it and the councillors are just puppets as they have very little powers.
Infrastructure is a big issue and the years show that when a good chance to improve traffic around the town centre
they build a hotel or office block which prevents road improvements. We are surrounded by decent roads that lead into a very shambolic town centre.
I have regular meetings with govt bods
who have not one iota of common sense
and ask questions of no relevance despite a full briefing document given to them. The 50s and 60s gave birth to a host of new technology and a healthy education system and apprenticeships.
The 70s saw the obvious signs of lack of fossil fuels and other resources--yet successive govts turned their backs and ignored the warnings as they were too busy starting to destroy local councils. That began the era of the politically orientated councillors and councils losing touch with the public. We lost the apprenticeships--edu
cation standards went down and today with uni changes students struggle to make the grade. Swindon is a classic example of how badly things can go wrong. Will they not learn that just building houses and hotels and offices do not make a town. Even the New College area is a shambles with its traffic management system and crossings which is a disaster waiting to happen and hardly impressive results.
Yes the Govt has cut funding and it is up to the Councils to make the cuts. They do have the responsibility to get the best from the workforce--yet have put most services out to the private sector yes still maintain the oversized management structure--can our councillors stop that? No--simply due to the code of conduct they are bound by "they cannot go against the councils decisions" in other words the councillors have no powers. Councils were formed "for the people--by the people"
SDP The govt make the laws and its up to the councils to fight for the funding-our lot are not up to managing it and the councillors are just puppets as they have very little powers. Infrastructure is a big issue and the years show that when a good chance to improve traffic around the town centre they build a hotel or office block which prevents road improvements. We are surrounded by decent roads that lead into a very shambolic town centre. I have regular meetings with govt bods who have not one iota of common sense and ask questions of no relevance despite a full briefing document given to them. The 50s and 60s gave birth to a host of new technology and a healthy education system and apprenticeships. The 70s saw the obvious signs of lack of fossil fuels and other resources--yet successive govts turned their backs and ignored the warnings as they were too busy starting to destroy local councils. That began the era of the politically orientated councillors and councils losing touch with the public. We lost the apprenticeships--edu cation standards went down and today with uni changes students struggle to make the grade. Swindon is a classic example of how badly things can go wrong. Will they not learn that just building houses and hotels and offices do not make a town. Even the New College area is a shambles with its traffic management system and crossings which is a disaster waiting to happen and hardly impressive results. Yes the Govt has cut funding and it is up to the Councils to make the cuts. They do have the responsibility to get the best from the workforce--yet have put most services out to the private sector yes still maintain the oversized management structure--can our councillors stop that? No--simply due to the code of conduct they are bound by "they cannot go against the councils decisions" in other words the councillors have no powers. Councils were formed "for the people--by the people" itsamess
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4:00pm Mon 11 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.
You seem to know a lot about the running of local councils. I think you should stand as a candidiate for Swindon Council. With your knowedge I think you would do well.
itsamess. You seem to know a lot about the running of local councils. I think you should stand as a candidiate for Swindon Council. With your knowedge I think you would do well. SDP
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4:34pm Mon 11 Apr 11

Kineasy says...

SDP wrote:
itsamess. You seem to know a lot about the running of local councils. I think you should stand as a candidiate for Swindon Council. With your knowedge I think you would do well.
SDP Maybe.
Personally I shall not be voting for any candidate who has been involved with SBC as an employee or a councillor. Wrong mindset, wrong skills set, self seeking and not fir for purpose.
[quote][p][bold]SDP[/bold] wrote: itsamess. You seem to know a lot about the running of local councils. I think you should stand as a candidiate for Swindon Council. With your knowedge I think you would do well.[/p][/quote]SDP Maybe. Personally I shall not be voting for any candidate who has been involved with SBC as an employee or a councillor. Wrong mindset, wrong skills set, self seeking and not fir for purpose. Kineasy
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5:28pm Mon 11 Apr 11

itsamess says...

SDP
No interest in doing anything like that.
Councillors today are no longer interested in the publics opinion and vote on issues that have to be in line with what officers have decided--if not it goes to appeal. The same applies to ward issues--if the officers disagree with the issue nothing gets done--in that light it is a pointless position.
The Govt makes that legislation and brought in the principle of councils being administered on govt lines. It stops when they vote on local issues.
Take the coate issue--52000 signatures
against development--in real terms that is more votes than at the local elections as the percentage of voters is quite small. In a Democratic society the vote (signatories)should be binding.
In other words councils are a sham.
SDP No interest in doing anything like that. Councillors today are no longer interested in the publics opinion and vote on issues that have to be in line with what officers have decided--if not it goes to appeal. The same applies to ward issues--if the officers disagree with the issue nothing gets done--in that light it is a pointless position. The Govt makes that legislation and brought in the principle of councils being administered on govt lines. It stops when they vote on local issues. Take the coate issue--52000 signatures against development--in real terms that is more votes than at the local elections as the percentage of voters is quite small. In a Democratic society the vote (signatories)should be binding. In other words councils are a sham. itsamess
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2:13pm Tue 12 Apr 11

SDP says...

Kineasy wrote:
SDP wrote: itsamess. You seem to know a lot about the running of local councils. I think you should stand as a candidiate for Swindon Council. With your knowedge I think you would do well.
SDP Maybe. Personally I shall not be voting for any candidate who has been involved with SBC as an employee or a councillor. Wrong mindset, wrong skills set, self seeking and not fir for purpose.
Kineasy.
If councillors make silly mistakes they can cost the local rate payers a lot of money through bad decisions. So a group of bad councillors could do a lot of damage to Swindon. So I would have thought a bit of experience working at the council would have been very useful training for a councillor. But I am not sure that councillors can solve any of the really big issues of the day, because the really big issues are down to our parliament in Westminster.
[quote][p][bold]Kineasy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SDP[/bold] wrote: itsamess. You seem to know a lot about the running of local councils. I think you should stand as a candidiate for Swindon Council. With your knowedge I think you would do well.[/p][/quote]SDP Maybe. Personally I shall not be voting for any candidate who has been involved with SBC as an employee or a councillor. Wrong mindset, wrong skills set, self seeking and not fir for purpose.[/p][/quote]Kineasy. If councillors make silly mistakes they can cost the local rate payers a lot of money through bad decisions. So a group of bad councillors could do a lot of damage to Swindon. So I would have thought a bit of experience working at the council would have been very useful training for a councillor. But I am not sure that councillors can solve any of the really big issues of the day, because the really big issues are down to our parliament in Westminster. SDP
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2:22pm Tue 12 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess wrote:
SDP No interest in doing anything like that. Councillors today are no longer interested in the publics opinion and vote on issues that have to be in line with what officers have decided--if not it goes to appeal. The same applies to ward issues--if the officers disagree with the issue nothing gets done--in that light it is a pointless position. The Govt makes that legislation and brought in the principle of councils being administered on govt lines. It stops when they vote on local issues. Take the coate issue--52000 signatures against development--in real terms that is more votes than at the local elections as the percentage of voters is quite small. In a Democratic society the vote (signatories)should be binding. In other words councils are a sham.
itsamess.
The whole council will have to stand for re-election in 2012 in Swindon because of boundary changes. After that it will be back to the old third, third, third each year. The smaller parties will never be able to find the 60 candidates required to stand in every seat. So 2012 would be a good time to stand as a councillor in Swindon. Electing all 60 in one go is bound to throw up some unexpected results in Swindon. It could be very interesting.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: SDP No interest in doing anything like that. Councillors today are no longer interested in the publics opinion and vote on issues that have to be in line with what officers have decided--if not it goes to appeal. The same applies to ward issues--if the officers disagree with the issue nothing gets done--in that light it is a pointless position. The Govt makes that legislation and brought in the principle of councils being administered on govt lines. It stops when they vote on local issues. Take the coate issue--52000 signatures against development--in real terms that is more votes than at the local elections as the percentage of voters is quite small. In a Democratic society the vote (signatories)should be binding. In other words councils are a sham.[/p][/quote]itsamess. The whole council will have to stand for re-election in 2012 in Swindon because of boundary changes. After that it will be back to the old third, third, third each year. The smaller parties will never be able to find the 60 candidates required to stand in every seat. So 2012 would be a good time to stand as a councillor in Swindon. Electing all 60 in one go is bound to throw up some unexpected results in Swindon. It could be very interesting. SDP
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3:39pm Tue 12 Apr 11

Kineasy says...

'Itsamess'
I would agree that councils are structured to deliver the Governments bidding and thereby gain a bit of funding. Problem is that Government of the day is beholden to Europe and councils are populated by more than the national average of idiots, in it for political cudos and the dosh.
No small wonder they foul up on a regular basis. It is very unlikely that anyone with any business acumen would be tempted to stand as a councillor. Situation is now so grim that those who once worked for the council as employees or councillors are now advised not to mention the fact on their CV's.
'Itsamess' I would agree that councils are structured to deliver the Governments bidding and thereby gain a bit of funding. Problem is that Government of the day is beholden to Europe and councils are populated by more than the national average of idiots, in it for political cudos and the dosh. No small wonder they foul up on a regular basis. It is very unlikely that anyone with any business acumen would be tempted to stand as a councillor. Situation is now so grim that those who once worked for the council as employees or councillors are now advised not to mention the fact on their CV's. Kineasy
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5:27pm Tue 12 Apr 11

itsamess says...

Kineasy
Yes i agree. Fortunately i can remember when some very level headed folk were on our town council and used to work hard as well as doing a good job for their voters in their wards
sadly now distant memories. Its much like an aircraft carrier trying to be a submarine--it cannot be.
SDP
I was invited to stand as a councillor a few times and indeed a JP. However i do believe a councillor has insufficient powers to make realistic changes in this town and the legal requirements to stand need tightening up to include some form of qualifications. The return of by the people for the people. I admit
i do like the current govt cabinet as there are some well qualified ministers who are not so reliant on civil servants to provide the information for them. I have to say i was impressed when our team was called to advise this govt very recently as they are the only ones i have faced who asked the questions to
the correct expert. As you can see i have little faith in politicians without a brain--however if i had a friend who i believed could make a difference i would give my support in every way regardless of which party. I am indeed the proverbial best friend or worst enemy.
It seems you are a candidate--well convince your public you are sincere and will do your very best and who knows. If you are anything like the well known village idiot--dont even bother.
Kineasy Yes i agree. Fortunately i can remember when some very level headed folk were on our town council and used to work hard as well as doing a good job for their voters in their wards sadly now distant memories. Its much like an aircraft carrier trying to be a submarine--it cannot be. SDP I was invited to stand as a councillor a few times and indeed a JP. However i do believe a councillor has insufficient powers to make realistic changes in this town and the legal requirements to stand need tightening up to include some form of qualifications. The return of by the people for the people. I admit i do like the current govt cabinet as there are some well qualified ministers who are not so reliant on civil servants to provide the information for them. I have to say i was impressed when our team was called to advise this govt very recently as they are the only ones i have faced who asked the questions to the correct expert. As you can see i have little faith in politicians without a brain--however if i had a friend who i believed could make a difference i would give my support in every way regardless of which party. I am indeed the proverbial best friend or worst enemy. It seems you are a candidate--well convince your public you are sincere and will do your very best and who knows. If you are anything like the well known village idiot--dont even bother. itsamess
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9:50am Wed 13 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.
Yes I am standing as a candidate for the Social Democratic Party in the Swindon Council elections. The ward where I am standing is Parks Ward the very strong Labour stronhold in Swindon South.
itsamess. Yes I am standing as a candidate for the Social Democratic Party in the Swindon Council elections. The ward where I am standing is Parks Ward the very strong Labour stronhold in Swindon South. SDP
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9:59am Wed 13 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.
Previously I was a UKIP parliamentary candidate in Swindon South in 2005 and got 2.5%. Then I stood as a UKIP parliamentary candidate in Swindon North in 2010. I was determined to do better and so leafleted the area twice over many years. This was about 80,000 leaflets and cost me a lot of money to do it. In 2010 I achieved 3.5% and this was disappointing considering all the work I put into it.
itsamess. Previously I was a UKIP parliamentary candidate in Swindon South in 2005 and got 2.5%. Then I stood as a UKIP parliamentary candidate in Swindon North in 2010. I was determined to do better and so leafleted the area twice over many years. This was about 80,000 leaflets and cost me a lot of money to do it. In 2010 I achieved 3.5% and this was disappointing considering all the work I put into it. SDP
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10:12am Wed 13 Apr 11

SDP says...

It seems that all my hard work simply went to help Justin Tomlinson get a 7,000 majority in Swindon North. The Labour vote dropped by 15% which was one of the biggest swings against Labour in the country.
It seems that all my hard work simply went to help Justin Tomlinson get a 7,000 majority in Swindon North. The Labour vote dropped by 15% which was one of the biggest swings against Labour in the country. SDP
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10:23am Wed 13 Apr 11

SDP says...

If I could only get 3.5% after 80,000 leaflets and many years of sore feet, I thought it was time to try a differeint party. So here we are in 2011, and I am now campaigning for the Social Democratic Party. I will have leafleted Park Ward twice by the election on 5th May, and that is 8,000 leafelts.
If I could only get 3.5% after 80,000 leaflets and many years of sore feet, I thought it was time to try a differeint party. So here we are in 2011, and I am now campaigning for the Social Democratic Party. I will have leafleted Park Ward twice by the election on 5th May, and that is 8,000 leafelts. SDP
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7:48pm Wed 13 Apr 11

itsamess says...

SDP
Well it is hard work on the campaign trail and Parks is a difficult one. It is of course a much criticised area--but not
always justified. Lots of candidates there so your work is going to be hard.I hope folk will not look too hard at you being ex ukip as i have something coming up in the next week or so that will hit them hard and i have also a leaflet drop ready for one area. I had it checked out by our legal bods and there is no names mentioned other than the author who is very well known
and eye catching to read.
As i have said i am not politically minded as i have dealt with many politicians over the years some on the ball--others who are more suited to tesco.
The folk of Swindon are not stupid and can very easily work out that a candidate who is likely to commit to their ward in a positive way is worth a try as we are all fed up with the way this council functions. If a candidate can only try to discredit bods they are likely to work alongside they will come up against a brick wall. I do know who you are SH and i wish you well--but i think you know its a big hill to climb as there are so many candidates in that ward. Yes i would like to see a host of councillors who can bring some fresh ideas to our town--but not ones with extreme views just honest folk trying to get this town moving--best of luck anyway.
SDP Well it is hard work on the campaign trail and Parks is a difficult one. It is of course a much criticised area--but not always justified. Lots of candidates there so your work is going to be hard.I hope folk will not look too hard at you being ex ukip as i have something coming up in the next week or so that will hit them hard and i have also a leaflet drop ready for one area. I had it checked out by our legal bods and there is no names mentioned other than the author who is very well known and eye catching to read. As i have said i am not politically minded as i have dealt with many politicians over the years some on the ball--others who are more suited to tesco. The folk of Swindon are not stupid and can very easily work out that a candidate who is likely to commit to their ward in a positive way is worth a try as we are all fed up with the way this council functions. If a candidate can only try to discredit bods they are likely to work alongside they will come up against a brick wall. I do know who you are SH and i wish you well--but i think you know its a big hill to climb as there are so many candidates in that ward. Yes i would like to see a host of councillors who can bring some fresh ideas to our town--but not ones with extreme views just honest folk trying to get this town moving--best of luck anyway. itsamess
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10:03am Thu 14 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess wrote:
SDP Well it is hard work on the campaign trail and Parks is a difficult one. It is of course a much criticised area--but not always justified. Lots of candidates there so your work is going to be hard.I hope folk will not look too hard at you being ex ukip as i have something coming up in the next week or so that will hit them hard and i have also a leaflet drop ready for one area. I had it checked out by our legal bods and there is no names mentioned other than the author who is very well known and eye catching to read. As i have said i am not politically minded as i have dealt with many politicians over the years some on the ball--others who are more suited to tesco. The folk of Swindon are not stupid and can very easily work out that a candidate who is likely to commit to their ward in a positive way is worth a try as we are all fed up with the way this council functions. If a candidate can only try to discredit bods they are likely to work alongside they will come up against a brick wall. I do know who you are SH and i wish you well--but i think you know its a big hill to climb as there are so many candidates in that ward. Yes i would like to see a host of councillors who can bring some fresh ideas to our town--but not ones with extreme views just honest folk trying to get this town moving--best of luck anyway.
itsamess.
Election leaflets that support a candidate must have an imprint on them. PRINTED BY (Name and address of Printer). PROMOTED BY (Name and address of the election agent). ON BEHALF OF (Name and address of candidate). There is fine of up to £5000 pounds for a breach of the legal requirements of having an imprint.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: SDP Well it is hard work on the campaign trail and Parks is a difficult one. It is of course a much criticised area--but not always justified. Lots of candidates there so your work is going to be hard.I hope folk will not look too hard at you being ex ukip as i have something coming up in the next week or so that will hit them hard and i have also a leaflet drop ready for one area. I had it checked out by our legal bods and there is no names mentioned other than the author who is very well known and eye catching to read. As i have said i am not politically minded as i have dealt with many politicians over the years some on the ball--others who are more suited to tesco. The folk of Swindon are not stupid and can very easily work out that a candidate who is likely to commit to their ward in a positive way is worth a try as we are all fed up with the way this council functions. If a candidate can only try to discredit bods they are likely to work alongside they will come up against a brick wall. I do know who you are SH and i wish you well--but i think you know its a big hill to climb as there are so many candidates in that ward. Yes i would like to see a host of councillors who can bring some fresh ideas to our town--but not ones with extreme views just honest folk trying to get this town moving--best of luck anyway.[/p][/quote]itsamess. Election leaflets that support a candidate must have an imprint on them. PRINTED BY (Name and address of Printer). PROMOTED BY (Name and address of the election agent). ON BEHALF OF (Name and address of candidate). There is fine of up to £5000 pounds for a breach of the legal requirements of having an imprint. SDP
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10:13am Thu 14 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess.
My main political beliefs are MORE HOMES AND JOBS. CAMPAIGN AGAINST UNEMPLOYMENT. CURRENT POLICIES ARE A PLAGUE ON THE WORKING CLASS. 5 million people waiting for a council house. 2.5 million people unemployed in Britain. 11, 000 homeless people in Britain.
itsamess. My main political beliefs are MORE HOMES AND JOBS. CAMPAIGN AGAINST UNEMPLOYMENT. CURRENT POLICIES ARE A PLAGUE ON THE WORKING CLASS. 5 million people waiting for a council house. 2.5 million people unemployed in Britain. 11, 000 homeless people in Britain. SDP
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10:23am Thu 14 Apr 11

SDP says...

IMPRINT
The above comments from SDP are printed by the Swindon Advertiser. Promoted by and on behalf of Steve Halden, 10 Beaufort Green, Swindon SN3 2AE. Steve Halden is a Swindon Council candidate for the Social Democratic Party and is standing in Parks Ward on 5th May 2011.
IMPRINT The above comments from SDP are printed by the Swindon Advertiser. Promoted by and on behalf of Steve Halden, 10 Beaufort Green, Swindon SN3 2AE. Steve Halden is a Swindon Council candidate for the Social Democratic Party and is standing in Parks Ward on 5th May 2011. SDP
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3:52pm Thu 14 Apr 11

itsamess says...

SDP
Yes--as i said--you have a huge battle on your hands and transferring from ukip could work for or against you as i do believe next week a court case begins which will reveal some very damaging facts. I am in london tomorrow to remove some obstacles as to reporting restrictions as i believe the issue should be publicised. However the DPP has objected as there are some
more serious issues being looked at and
suggests an injunction is wise for the interim.
More homes is a minefield in swindon as
if you do a little study you will find it is not swindon families buying them--or renting them. Social housing is much the same as waiting lists can be jumped
by persons properly advised how to do it. Employment is the same as many companies use agencies who also advise on benefits and housing. The books may show local folk--the facts show they do not get the offers--or rarely.
The latest unemployent figures do show
our youngsters are the hardest hit being over a third of the figures. Maybe if and when proper apprenticeships come back and new industries are promoted we could return to being a productive nation. My view being it is pointless building more and more houses and masses of offices and hotels
when facilities here just do not support
the employment opportunities and houses are bought by out of towners who work in other areas. Our council should look at the reality of the situation and address it realistically. Yes
it would need a major clear out and fresh ideas--but i cannot see it happening.
SDP Yes--as i said--you have a huge battle on your hands and transferring from ukip could work for or against you as i do believe next week a court case begins which will reveal some very damaging facts. I am in london tomorrow to remove some obstacles as to reporting restrictions as i believe the issue should be publicised. However the DPP has objected as there are some more serious issues being looked at and suggests an injunction is wise for the interim. More homes is a minefield in swindon as if you do a little study you will find it is not swindon families buying them--or renting them. Social housing is much the same as waiting lists can be jumped by persons properly advised how to do it. Employment is the same as many companies use agencies who also advise on benefits and housing. The books may show local folk--the facts show they do not get the offers--or rarely. The latest unemployent figures do show our youngsters are the hardest hit being over a third of the figures. Maybe if and when proper apprenticeships come back and new industries are promoted we could return to being a productive nation. My view being it is pointless building more and more houses and masses of offices and hotels when facilities here just do not support the employment opportunities and houses are bought by out of towners who work in other areas. Our council should look at the reality of the situation and address it realistically. Yes it would need a major clear out and fresh ideas--but i cannot see it happening. itsamess
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11:52am Fri 15 Apr 11

SDP says...

itsamess wrote:
SDP Yes--as i said--you have a huge battle on your hands and transferring from ukip could work for or against you as i do believe next week a court case begins which will reveal some very damaging facts. I am in london tomorrow to remove some obstacles as to reporting restrictions as i believe the issue should be publicised. However the DPP has objected as there are some more serious issues being looked at and suggests an injunction is wise for the interim. More homes is a minefield in swindon as if you do a little study you will find it is not swindon families buying them--or renting them. Social housing is much the same as waiting lists can be jumped by persons properly advised how to do it. Employment is the same as many companies use agencies who also advise on benefits and housing. The books may show local folk--the facts show they do not get the offers--or rarely. The latest unemployent figures do show our youngsters are the hardest hit being over a third of the figures. Maybe if and when proper apprenticeships come back and new industries are promoted we could return to being a productive nation. My view being it is pointless building more and more houses and masses of offices and hotels when facilities here just do not support the employment opportunities and houses are bought by out of towners who work in other areas. Our council should look at the reality of the situation and address it realistically. Yes it would need a major clear out and fresh ideas--but i cannot see it happening.
itsamess.
You have made many interesting points here. Thank you for this enormous debate. This post makes the 60th post on this topic. But I think it is time to move on to another topic now. I look forward to reading your comments on other issues.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: SDP Yes--as i said--you have a huge battle on your hands and transferring from ukip could work for or against you as i do believe next week a court case begins which will reveal some very damaging facts. I am in london tomorrow to remove some obstacles as to reporting restrictions as i believe the issue should be publicised. However the DPP has objected as there are some more serious issues being looked at and suggests an injunction is wise for the interim. More homes is a minefield in swindon as if you do a little study you will find it is not swindon families buying them--or renting them. Social housing is much the same as waiting lists can be jumped by persons properly advised how to do it. Employment is the same as many companies use agencies who also advise on benefits and housing. The books may show local folk--the facts show they do not get the offers--or rarely. The latest unemployent figures do show our youngsters are the hardest hit being over a third of the figures. Maybe if and when proper apprenticeships come back and new industries are promoted we could return to being a productive nation. My view being it is pointless building more and more houses and masses of offices and hotels when facilities here just do not support the employment opportunities and houses are bought by out of towners who work in other areas. Our council should look at the reality of the situation and address it realistically. Yes it would need a major clear out and fresh ideas--but i cannot see it happening.[/p][/quote]itsamess. You have made many interesting points here. Thank you for this enormous debate. This post makes the 60th post on this topic. But I think it is time to move on to another topic now. I look forward to reading your comments on other issues. SDP
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