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Some routes are set to go, others altered

BUS routes across town are to be axed after the council pulled the plug on their funding support.

From June, a dozen evening, Sunday and Bank Holiday services will wind down, including one serving the Great Western Hospital, because the council has cut £100,000-worth of subsidies to the bus companies.

The Adver only learned of the changes after resident Peter Gallagher spotted the following phrase in small print at the bottom of Stagecoach’s website: “We regret that as a result of the total withdrawal of Swindon Borough Council funding for evening and Sunday bus services in Swindon, that further changes will have to be introduced from Sunday 5th June 2011 and full details will be given nearer the time.”

Mr Gallagher wrote to the council asking if it was true and the council agreed, saying that the decision had been made “as part of the determination of the budget process for 2011/12.”

Mr Gallagher, 61, of Folkestone Road, relies on one of the soon-to-go services for arranging outings with the rambling club.

“As far as I know this has never been on the agenda at a cabinet meeting,” he said.

“It doesn’t seem to be the way local government should be operating.

“It doesn’t seem right to me that this type of decision should have been able to have been made without any kind of public prior warning; that people are going to be affected, but nobody has had the opportunity to make representations about it.

“I use the bus to go walking in the countryside. From a ramblers’ point of view it’s a decision we regret.

“These changes won’t have a big impact on me personally but I think there are quite a lot of people who don’t have a car and inevitably are going to be inconvenienced if these services stop completely.”

The changes were part of the budget proposals agreed in February.

But the details of the planned cuts were not stated, and have not been discussed in any council meetings.

In a statement, the council said: “The vast majority of bus services in Swindon run without any subsidy from the council, but we do support some routes that would otherwise be uneconomical for the bus companies to operate.

“We will be spending nearly £1m on these over the next 12 months.

“Budget pressures meant that we had to find savings of £100,000 on this year’s budget, and this was included in our budget proposals that were agreed earlier this year.

“The bus companies and elected members were consulted about these proposals.

“Our priority is to support bus services that allow people access to education and employment in the morning and evening peak, and to daytime activities such as access to shops.

“To keep the effects to the minimum possible, we have withdrawn funding for uneconomic services which operate on Sundays and Bank Holidays or during the evenings from Monday to Saturday.”

It also said it was not aware that the number 24, serving the hospital, would be affected.

Stagecoach have since announced that they will continue to operate the evening and weekend services, without the council funding, to assess their commerical viability before taking a final decision.

BUS COMPANIES' RESPONSE TO THE CUTS

THE bus companies have hit out at the move, saying Swindon Council will deprive communities of a much-needed service.

A statement issued by Stagecoach said: "We are disappointed that Swindon Borough Council has decided to significantly reduce funding for socially-necessary local bus services as a result of cuts in Government expenditure.

"The Council's decision will affect many services, including evening, Sunday and rural buses, which may not have sufficient passengers to meet the operating costs. It is clear that, where funding for tendered services is withdrawn, these services could be lost to the communities they serve.

"In addition to cuts in tendered and supported bus services, local authorities are cutting the reimbursement payments we receive for elderly and disabled people qualifying for free concession bus travel.

"Bus operators are also suffering the same high fuel price increases as other road users, as well as being impacted by higher gas and electricity charges.

"The combined effect is that, reluctantly, we will be forced to increase our prices and regret the problems this will cause for some passengers.

"We will continue to work hard to keep the effects to a minimum, providing value for money travel and as wide a bus network as possible.

"Independent research shows Stagecoach offers the lowest fares of any major bus operator in the country and we provide unlimited travel in Swindon from just £13 per week."

"In this particular instance all services will operate as per the normal timetables for a period after the funding is withdrawn so that we can analyse their commercial viability."

Meanwhile, Thamesdown’s managing director Paul Jenkins said: “Thamesdown will extend its commercial service on Service 11 up to 20.00 hours to partially fill the gap, but apart from this I’m afraid the evening service on these routes will cease as they do not carry enough passengers to meet the cost of running the services.

“I am sorry for the inconvenience this will cause our passengers.

“The changes mean that there will be no evening Service 24 buses between Fleming Way and the Great Western Hospital via Old Town and Lawn.

“However, passengers in Old Town will still be able to use Service 70A to and from the hospital as it is financially supported by Wiltshire Council.

“Also, Service 16, which runs between Fleming Way and the hospital via Queen’s Drive every 15 minutes, will continue, with the last bus leaving the hospital at 22.15.”

Comments(15)

Al Smith says...
9:53am Thu 28 Apr 11

Perhaps if they got back the £400k they gave to Rikki Hunt for the failed Swindon wifi project they might not have to make these cuts!

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...
10:02am Thu 28 Apr 11

Isn't stagecoach a private business? If so why should my taxes be propping up a failing business model?

swindon_mini says...
10:30am Thu 28 Apr 11

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Isn't stagecoach a private business? If so why should my taxes be propping up a failing business model?
It isn't a failing business model. It is a good business model for businesses. It is a guaranteed income. But the point is that it is being paid because it costs about £50 an hour to run a bus. And if it picks up 2 passengers each paying £1.70 per hour it is not cost effective. However the Council is responsible for public transport in the town, regardless of it being in private ownership and so makes the subsidies.

WiltshireLeppard says...
10:51am Thu 28 Apr 11

There's an over-dependence on the car, which doesn't help the buses and bus companies, but this is in part due to the fact that most of the bus routes and prices are not cost effective.

Plus, if you check the Carl Berry site or better the Council website you'll see how infrequent services are. It takes me roughly 25 minutes to get from Swindon to Marlborough via the M4 junction 15. If I took the same route by bus, it would take me over an hour via either Ramsbury or Wroughton.

If I'm in a hurry, the car wins hands down. The buses need to change and modernise to suit demand.

L3mming says...
11:11am Thu 28 Apr 11

Who on earth would ever choose a car over a bus!. I mean, you take the bus and you get the added bonus of having to sit and listen to the 10 people around you's walkmans or listen to the chavs swearing and boasting about their latest drugs outing, next court case hearing or kicking they gave someone the previous night. On top of that, screaming kids, sitting next to the mad cat lady or sampling the odur 'never washed' of the person next to you. Better still in the winter or rainy season you get to sample the latest germ's for free and have your sinuses cleared out by the pungent wet dog/coat was washed 5 years ago fragences. Nope, who'd choose a car over a bus....

Captain Sensible says...
11:36am Thu 28 Apr 11

You forgot the smell of wee and mothballs from old people travelling for nothing while you have to pay.....

Ronnie Lonsdale says...
11:55am Thu 28 Apr 11

Sorry, but are the bus firms in this town not making thousands out of not giving change anymore, or did i imagine the story the Adver ran last month ?? The bus service in this town value for money ?? Do me a favour. Prices continue to go up due to 'overheads', do they ever cut them ??

reality_check says...
12:53pm Thu 28 Apr 11

Cost for two people to take the two buses it takes to get from East Swindon to Old Town: £6.80 (Journey time nearly one hour, in discomfort).
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Cost for two people to get picked up and taken by taxi to Old Town: £7.00 rounded up (Journey time 15 mins, in comfort).
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Your choice.

John Smith II says...
2:01pm Thu 28 Apr 11

The responsibility to provide public transport lies with the local authority for that area. Commercial bus operators can elect to operate services on a commercial basis at their own financial risk, however the provision of services and hence filling in the gaps that operators do not wish to fill on a commercial basis is a local authority responsibility. Having lived in Swindon for a number of years now the impression I get is the public transport is not high up the Borough Council's agenda, drawn from the following observations:


* - unattractive frequency of tendered services, particularly in the evenings and on Sundays, meaning that the likelihood of those services becoming less dependant on subsidy is reduced - in some cases these services are 'kick-started' by Section 106 developer funding, but due to their unnattractive nature simply cease when the funding dries up


* - closing the Copse Park & Ride facility, having seemingly placed commercial responsibility for the service on the bus operator, rather than SBC being reponsible for its' own concept - in many cases parking was cheaper in the town centre even if only one person was travelling and hence the service was not attractive enough (and far less attractive than similar schemes promoted by local authorities up and down the country).


* - providing an information service in 'swindonbus.info' that is normally updated for news after the event has taken place (past experience suggests that these changes will be publicised by SBC a week or two after they have taken place) - changes from 25/07/2010 were published on 04/08/2010 - handy if you need to be aware of the changes....


As a user of some of these tendered services I am disappointed that Swindon BC did not take the approach of other more 'citizen-friendly' authorities of actual consulting with the users to seek their views and indeed have still not (as far as I am aware) come clean and published a list of the changes that are likely to occur as a result of their decison, as other perhaps more honest authorities such as Devon and North Yorkshire have done.


A cynic might suggest that they were trying to keep them under wraps until after the local elections in a week or so's time....


In terms of the commercial offering the only weakness I can identify from the bus operator's side is that they do not have a competitive product for groups of people travelling together, as one person above highlighted, if you make a purely economic decison, if 2 or more people travel together it can be cheaper to hire a taxi, or take a car and pay for parking. What would be required would be a group DayRider ticket (covering all Thamesdown / Stagecoach routes in the town), priced at around 2x the £3.20 individual DayRider fare, but allowing a group of up to 5 to travel - a similar product is offered by National Express's Travel West Midlands company for their services in the W. Mids and no doubt other operators as well.


So why do I take the bus? - I've got a car on the drive and could easily take it to work in the town centre every day. Well my key reasons are:

* - It's easy, I just wander round to my local stop, flag down one of the frequent (during the day!) services, swipe my smartcard to pay the fare (no change needed...) and take a seat. I haven't got to worry about what the car in front is doing, where I can park and how much it will cost or indeed anything else, I can always get a seat, so I just sit down maybe look at the internet on my phone or look at the world going by outside the window.


* - I value the service and appreciate that if I don't use it it may not be there for me one day.


* - I don't think that £3.20 for a DayRider is unreasonable, the real cost of taking my car would be about £1.00 marginal cost before I have thought about parking.


* - I don't want to be adding to congestion, slowing others down when I don't need to.


* - I have no ties, if I fancy a beer or two after work I can without worrying about leaving the car in town overnight (and paying for the parking for that).

Iguanagirl says...
2:56pm Thu 28 Apr 11

These cuts are a bad idea in a time where more people are giving up car ownership due to high running costs and will rely more on public transport, particularly in the evenings. The bus company will complain the routes are not viable before many new customers get the chance to use them.

Marcus Cicero says...
6:20pm Thu 28 Apr 11

I dont care one way or the other. I do object to the private bus companies getting any subsidy for whatever reason.

I run a private company and I dont and cant get any subsidies for anything.

I wouldnt use a bus even if it was free. I,d rather walk.

If they cant make it pay, pack it in and go away so something else can take it,s place. taxi,s rickshaws, tuttuts,mini buses, I dont mind.

Ronnie Lonsdale says...
6:56pm Thu 28 Apr 11

Don't have any sympathy with the bus operator's whatsoever. Whenever there is an opportunity to hike fairs due to price of fuel etc, cannot remember fares coming back down. The Adver recently reported on the money made from 'no change given', did that go to charity..........???
??!!!!!!!!

Just another number says...
8:24pm Thu 28 Apr 11

Poorly planned bus routes + high fares = people choosing not to use buses = cancelled services and higher fares.


And at the same time the Thamesdown are making thousands by not giving out change and then not using that money to benefit the bus users?


Swindon Borough Council -- it's about time to sort it out, don't you think?

Swin10 says...
9:01pm Thu 28 Apr 11

I don't want my taxes paying for other people to use the buses. Why is it that people who have jobs and go out and earn a decent wage end up paying for other lazy people who can't be bothered?

Leslit says...
11:33am Sat 30 Apr 11

Wouldn't it help a bit if the Council did not take dividends from Thamesdown Transport and allowed them to run the buses as much as possible without subsidy? Counter that with the Wi-fi waste and you wonder what they are playing at!

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